Uh, techbros?

[Vieo !!SKISs26Nzbs No.54700218]

Uh, techbros?

[Anonymous No.54700224]

Cope. LLMs have already hit a plateau. There's no creativity. No logical understanding of what it's generating.

[Anonymous No.54700243]

codeniggers will be replaced by AI

[Vieo !!SKISs26Nzbs No.54700251]

>>54700224
>Software engineers made up the biggest portion of tech layoffs in 2023.

>"Cope. LLMs have already hit a plateau. There's no creativity. No logical understanding of what it's generating." Anon said then chuckled and looked around for approval nervously.

[Anonymous No.54700254]

>>54700224
A plateau? It's a little more than 6 months since they are publicly available and they've done nothing but catch speed.
Are you sure you're not coping?

[Anonymous No.54700272]

>>54700224
cope codenigger

[Anonymous No.54700284]

whats the 2023 equivalent of learn to code?

[Anonymous No.54700333]

>>54700284
convert to judaism

[Anonymous No.54700344]

>>54700218
Journalists will be replaced before coders

[Anonymous No.54700376]

>>54700218
>turns out there isn't an infinite demand in an economy for "coders"
Wow, who could've seen this coming...

[Anonymous No.54700401]

>>54700224
you are absolutely right. notice how technically illiterate normies without knowledge in ml or ai boast about basic llms replacing "coding jobs". large codebases will never be built or managed by ai, and no company is trusting ai to manage production code. ai is just the new trend bandwagon normies are hopping on. it is sad to see people fall for the ai grift, this is the third time it has happened so far in throughout my career. first it was navlab, then ibm watson and now logic learning machines. times never seem to change

[Anonymous No.54700501]

We got too cocky techsisters

[Anonymous No.54700551]

>>54700224
AI will not replace all coding jobs, but it will shrink it considerably. A massive amount of junior developers wont be needed anymore

[Anonymous No.54700562]

>>54700251
This is unequivocally false. Show me proof. Low IQs will continue seething as the barrier to get into tech continuously grows along with pay. Meanwhile they are consooming the products I design and build making me wealthy.


https://interviewing.io/blog/2022-layoffs-engineers-vs-other-departments

Also Show me 10 programmers in the states who have been replaced by an LLM model or equivalent.

Nothing but doom copeposting whilst AI has made my ventures easier and I haven't made this much money since the bullrun. Nobody is being replaced by a fucking chatbot who can sometimes get small snippets of modular code correct.

[Anonymous No.54700565]

>>54700401
>logic learning machines
Its Large Language Model (LLM) and you're ngmi.

[Anonymous No.54700582]

>>54700562
I dont think that LLMs are replacing. But they definitely increase output of single dev. Most companies will layoff junior devs as senior devs will do 10x of the work.

[Anonymous No.54700594]

The simple, brutal truth is this: The age of human accomplishment is almost over. It could be as early as 10 years from now, or it could take another 10 years after that, but sooner or later, "people doing things" is going to end. There will be no field of expertise where even the best humans can compete with AIs.

[Anonymous No.54700603]

>>54700218
This is going to decimate the stack exchange copypasta market.

[Anonymous No.54700608]

>>54700565
no company is looking to replace devs with large language models fool. logic learning machines is the only ai i see capable of replacing devs and its not even close. inner tech circles are focused on the right llm with logic tensor networks, you normie dont get it. thanks for proving my point

[Anonymous No.54700609]

>>54700218
it seems as though none of you have worked in tech. most people have no idea what they're doing yet they call themselves "software engineers". hell, most people don't even know how to use the command line. if you know how to write shell scripts i.e. using grep to filter output of some program you already know more than 80% of self-proclaimed software engineers. it's honestly kind of sad and even if it's not ai that replaces them i say good riddance. that said there is a shortage of genuinely good software engineers so if you're curious and/or know the basics of making computer do what you want but are not sure whether to continue down this path i'd say don't let doomers get to you. there is still plenty of loc to be written.

[Anonymous No.54700614]

>>54700594
if your job can be replaced with an """AI""" aka a fancy chat bot, you're likely a retard whose accomplishments are trivial and detrimental to society e.g. a room temperature IQ codenigger who fancies himself a genius for gluing together APIs and javascript frameworks to yield a gay dating app for HIV+ 8 year olds.

[Anonymous No.54700632]

>>54700224
>There's no creativity. No logical understanding of what it's generating.

The human operator brings that to the table. The LLM provides the output.

[Anonymous No.54700640]

>>54700218
people who are not software engineers will not get any of it

[Anonymous No.54700656]

>le fourth industrial revolution
most coders are the coal miners/factory line workers of 21c. this is not about ‘ai’. it’s about supply/demand and lowering the barrier between required skills and required output

[Anonymous No.54700657]

>>54700594
oh ya? well, I'm buying the bottom then. mark my words, in the next couple of decades we will have a fundamental science breakthrough that will place us dead center into space age

[Anonymous No.54700658]

>>54700640
>engineer
you wrangle logical connectives and control flows. you aren't an engineer.

[Anonymous No.54700699]

>>54700218
Why does it feel like 'journalists' these days are writing articles based on stuff that was posted a couple of days earlier on 4chan/reddit? Are we ahead of the curve that much?

[Anonymous No.54700703]

>>54700614
hilarious. this was said 40 odd years ago when ai when mainstream and it is happening again decades later. when will normies learn.

chatgpt - overrated search engine that has not produced anything of value.

github copilot - steal code off stupid devs who make it public and use a basic nlp to give said stolen code to neet devs who do not know how to code

midjourney - steal art and use a basic diffusion model to combine stolen art

ai is not going to make it. you are looking in the wrong places. it is a distraction

[Anonymous No.54700709]

Pic are the only jobs that are not at risk from being replaced by AI. This is your final warning.

[Anonymous No.54700716]

>>54700703
>>54700218
>chatgpt - overrated search engine that has not produced anything of value.
Yeah...I'm still not quite sure what the difference between using chatgpt or simply googling the same thing. I guess using chatgpt is faster but it seems it's also less complete of an answer than a google search.

[Anonymous No.54700725]

>>54700699
I love 4chan. Feels like the only dose of reality and sentient thought i get in my life. And I'm in nyc not North Korea. Fucking orwellian dystopian nightmare we are all living right now. Id be royally pissed of they took this place offline. I dont even have any of the og biz discords to fall back on

[Anonymous No.54700746]

>>54700218
Dude just learn to prompt

[Anonymous No.54700797]

>>54700716
it regurgitates surface level understanding (which may or may not be correct) but it's enough to trick the average 85 IQ mulattoid normie into thinking it's an authoritative genius.

[Anonymous No.54700798]

>>54700725
>>54700725
You're actually crazy.

[Anonymous No.54700820]

>>54700716
>value
everybody just wants ‘answer’ they don’t want ‘depends’ and they definitely don’t want ‘work’. if the answer is actually correct/appropriate or not does not matter as long as it’s a reasonable facsimile and the definitive result from an authoritative source

[Anonymous No.54700837]

>>54700820
the real value of this """AI""" isn't in providing a service to answer questions; the value is in harvesting the data inputs from dumb normalniggers and reselling it to advertisers.

i work in corporate finance at one of the largest pharmacy chains in the country. our IT and data governance wagies recently (a week or two ago) put a big warning on the corporate intranet: DO NOT FEED SENSITIVE FINANCIAL INFORMATION OR PATIENT INFORMATION INTO CHAT GPT.

[Anonymous No.54700852]

>>54700716
chatgpt is not useful to its users, its useful to the openai. normies who use it are training the model with 100% authentic data. think about it. the process of using chatgpt requires signing up with a phone number + legitimate email. from there, chatgpt and openai build a profile. they get to see your style of questioning, how you write and how you compare to people from the same geolocation. you are feeding chatgpt with your thoughts, that is the difference between it and google. it is completely useless for productive answers. same goes for bing ai, where microsoft has your email logs, thought logs from bing ai, search interests from bing.com and other shoppin/social patterns from microsoft edge. openai was all about open source and freedom, then suddenly became closed source and for-profit. it's all about training and getting large sums data. this is the real reason for "AI"

[Anonymous No.54700957]

>>54700852
this. they've managed to convince the cattle to help assemble the machine that will be used for their own slaughter. seriously dark times.

[Anonymous No.54701016]

>>54700837
>DO NOT FEED SENSITIVE FINANCIAL INFORMATION OR PATIENT INFORMATION INTO CHAT GPT
the reason for ‘ai’ is your fucking wagies need to be told such, ever. harvesting data is as standard and expected wherever possible. initially call centres and such will easily be replaced with ‘ai’ and fully automated. modular business service oriented software design will allow functionality to be dropped in and out like it’s wordpress. the world is still echoing the learn to code/stem memes rn. easier to teach software to manage software than to teach your it wagies not to be retarded

[Anonymous No.54701019]

>>54700218
Cope and seethe. Software engineering isn't going anywhere.

[Anonymous No.54701048]

>>54701016
>easier to teach software to manage software than to teach your it wagies not to be retarded

i wouldn't go this far. there's no formal verification for these niggerlicious chat bots. wagies can be retarded and unpredictable but at the end of the day they're powerless poorfag wagies who can be threatened and coerced into subservience with humiliation, litigation, unemployment, etc., while a chat bot gone haywire doesn't have any sort of self preservation instinct.

[Anonymous No.54701063]

>>54700218
Good thing I made enough money on my stock options in 2020-2021 to retire. Its kinda you're own fault if you're in tech and didn't take profits, did you really think 7 figures a year was sustainable?

[Anonymous No.54701138]

>>54700218
Keep hearing of people getting raped by the job market but here I am, 220k base salary, 8 years out of school, working on crypto projects. It's raining elsewhere in the world but not on my head yet. Gonna try and make hay while the sun shines.

[Anonymous No.54701146]

>>54701016
within 50 years, sure. in the short term this but a fantasy and u are falling for marketing like an imbecile. i have been in ml research for a long time now and what you are seeing is an overhyped mess. as data samples get larger, the llm will be fed with more and more misinformation. llms do not have any reasoning built in so this misinformation is not filtered out and will be disastrous for customer support jobs. ai will not do any better than a preprogramed chatbot. as for data harvesting, ai does much more than the "current standard"...0J

[Anonymous No.54701154]

>>54700609
Feel good post. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.54701158]

>>54700218
>be me
>be cyber security engineer on in-house network security team of $400-million dollar company
>cyber security is not only safe, its most likely expanding through the recession
lol
lmao even

[Anonymous No.54701172]

>>54701158
>back office cost center expanding during a recession
ask me how i know you're in your mid to late 20s.

[Anonymous No.54701180]

>>54701158
Give me cheat sheet walk through how you did it, bro. Did you go to uni and/or cert and/or boot camp?

[Anonymous No.54701191]

>>54700594
>AI invented in 1950s
>in 2023 it still only repeats what it saw in training data produced by humans
I work in AI. AI that can solve problems by itself is not even on radar.

[Anonymous No.54701195]

>>54701138
it’s just polchud doomers seething in mommy’s basement trying to grasp at straws and drag anyone else they can down to their level of pathetic desperation

[Anonymous No.54701217]

>>54700401
If anything short term it will make tech salaries moon because ChatGPT made zoomer redditors shit their pants and change majors kek

[Anonymous No.54701225]

>>54701172
>another cunt still stuck on the theory that a restrictive, annoying, non-revenue-generating, necessary evil part of an organization will be trimmed down as much as possible
No shit. Operating at bare-bones skeleton-crew capacity is our way of life.
There's no more fat to trim. With every compromising incident an org is FORCED to hire us. The legal teams won't let them not hire us.
All we do is sit and wait for another nasty exfiltration pop of a giant corp and suddenly there're 13 job openings for that place.
It's like law enforcement. There's always a need.

Coders, they can be discarded according to the JIRA deliverable schedule
Kek.

[Anonymous No.54701235]

>>54700218
Still safe if you really are technical.
Please continue to seethe.

[Anonymous No.54701256]

>>54701225
>There's no more fat to trim.
there is, trust me. and this is coming from someone who works in a financial compliance role (statutory reporting) at a massive corporation.
>W-WELL I'LL JUST QUIT AND THEY'LL NEVER FIND SOMEONE QUALIFIED TO SEND OUT "DON'T DOWNLOAD .EXE OUTLOOK ATTACHMENTS" EMAILS AGAIN!!!!!
they'll find someone, trust me. wagies are desperate and you aren't that important.

[Anonymous No.54701259]

>>54700562
Tech companies are asking media to push this narrative.
The target of the news is tech workers, to try to reign in salaries after last year when companies were getting fucked by workers.
Most of the cuts are nothing. They are close to attrition numbers.
Keep negotiating for higher salaries tech bros.
There is a dearth of talent out there
> t. Hiring manager

[Anonymous No.54701271]

>>54701048
chat bot will only ever do as it has been explicitly instructed, works 24/7 and scales for nearly no cost
>threatened and coerced into subservience with humiliation, litigation, unemployment, etc
these resources are better applied elsewhere in the business, anon. rinse and repeat
>>54701146
everything is always in super slow motion
>i work in ml research
>llms do not have any reasoning built in
llms are nothing but reasoning brainlet larper

[Anonymous No.54701287]

>>54701271
>chat bot will only ever do as it has been explicitly instructed
thanks for letting me know up front that you're retarded and that i'm wasting my time by going any further.

[Anonymous No.54701296]

>>54701180
I got fired 4 times early in my career because I was an anorexic pathetic dry-dick vidya-playing nerd with terrible habits. Like your average Gen-Z, except I'm a turd millennial.
I was about to get kicked out of the city and industry and I entered survival-mode because I come from nothing and had nothing to go back to.
I stopped playing vidya (8years clean), started lifting, studied my ass off for the CISSP, and made my job a priority in life and stopped being a entitled egoist POS.
With good habits I got CISSP, CEH, and AWS Solutions Arch. Associate.

I get my dick wet constantly. I drive a Lexus, and im making well over 6-figures.
Survival mode crisis is one way to light a fire under your ass.
If you don't want that, light a fire under your own ass now and study for Google/AWS/Azure security certs, and CISSP.

[Anonymous No.54701307]

tech layoffs have zero to do with AI or LLMs or w/e. If you think that you're a retard. Its just that the fed turned off the free money printed for a year.

AI isn't really any better than just google + stack overflow. At best its marginally faster than googling. But 99% of the work, by time, is outside of just finding code snippets, you have to understand requirements, design, integration with the rest of the code, testing (takes longer than actually writing the code), and more.

The ability to generates snippets of code doesn't increase productivity that much, in fact its not even better IMO than google + stack overflow. If you think chatgpt-level stuff is going to lead to layoffs, they already happened from stack overflow a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.54701317]

>>54701296
Well done on growing up

[Anonymous No.54701339]

>>54701307
For the most part if you're workflow is:
1: think what is required
2. Immediately no clue how to realize it
3. Google it
4. Copy/paste
Are people really working like this?
They're subhuman.
Learn how computers work and do 2-4 *yourself*.
Just like AI somebody has to write the code for it to scrape. That could be you!

[Anonymous No.54701349]

Oh, I, I can't stand it any longer. This whole board is insane. Insane, I tell you! Daahh! Aaah! I can be sneed, too! Look at me! Hi, I'm a worthless sneedposter, just like this board! Give me a (you)! Ooh, I post like a imbecile, but nobody minds! I'm sneeding on the non simpson related thread. Give me a raise! Now I'm returning to the thread without a brain. But it doesn't matter, because I don't need a job, 'cause someone will pump my worthless scam coin. SNEED! SNEED! SNEED!

Oh, hi, Mr. Chuck. I'm the worst sneeder in the world. Time to go home to my /tv/ and post my sneed.

What's this?"Extremely High Sneedage." Well, I don't need safety gloves, because I'm Chuck Snee-

[Anonymous No.54701361]

>>54701317
Ty, anon.
If I can do it, anyone can. I'm not special

[Anonymous No.54701363]

>>54701287
>does not realise ‘ai’ is nothing more than set of logical instructions
if you fuck up the instructions that is on you

[Anonymous No.54701369]

>>54701339
Right those people are getting laid off every downturn whether there is AI or not, all AI does is replace "google it" with "chatgpt" or w/e. It doesn't even do that much for code monkey jobs, let alone any person who is designing something new.

[Anonymous No.54701390]

>>54700284
Have sex with AI.

[Anonymous No.54701394]

>>54701339
there is negative value in continually re-inventing the wheel. this is why things like academic journals and trade publications exist in mature and sane industries, and there are widespread best practices that are almost universally agreed upon for efficient R&D or product development to occur. only in software do you see stubborn autistic retards jumping from framework to framework, from design pattern to design pattern, from programming language to programming language, etc., all the while building up needlessly complex garbage that fits their mentally deranged mental model of how something "should" be done, while the end product degenerates into an incomprehensible un-maintainable clusterfucked spaghetti code garbage dump, insofar as people have to routinely google for code snippets because the logic behind what should be obvious is literally incomprehensible to anyone but the autistic retard who dreamed it up.

[Anonymous No.54701405]

>>54700218
WFH code niggers will be BTFO. Lmao

[Anonymous No.54701409]

>>54701339
every developer is researching you moron. no one is doing 1-4 alone. you are delusional.

[Anonymous No.54701410]

>>54700716
>I'm still not quite sure what the difference between using chatgpt or simply googling the same thing.
Most people are too stupid to use a search engine.
Google has been dumbing down its search for a decade now and still people cannot use it.
ChatGPT can summarize search result better than the average person can.

They're excited about it because they feel it allows them to compete with you on a more equal footing.
Like a tech illiterate applefag in 2008ish getting his first imac and thinking he's a PRO computer user now.

[Anonymous No.54701414]

>>54701405
in 2 more weeks. this is the daily cope thread for neetoids.

[Anonymous No.54701439]

>>54700224
Neither do techfags

[Anonymous No.54701486]

>>54700284
get a mortgage

[Anonymous No.54701536]

>>54701369
Do you realize what that shit is doing at all levels right now? Even if it never advances past this stage it will be devastating and extremely profitable. Shit it used to take 4-6 minutes to download a single 3.4mb song and that was enough to devastate the massive record industry after a few years. Which killed the physical release industry in a decade, entire industries sprung up overnight because you could now spend 30 minutes downloading 5 songs onto your computer. There is a storm approaching.

[Anonymous No.54701625]

>>54700709
>exposed
exposed to what?

[Anonymous No.54701643]

>>54701536
Downloading music is a huge improvement though. AI, when it comes to code, isn't. I can copy and paste code from stack overflow in 2 seconds. You've been able to do that for 10+ years. AI doesn't improve that.

Its only really better in academic settings, where you can avoid plagiarism detection better because its not just a direct copy & paste, but even then I'm not sure LLMs like chatgpt are above spitting out a straight copy and paste of something with just the variable names changed or something.

[Anonymous No.54701733]

>>54700224
Lol what? Every day I get my little instances better and better at doing what I need. I haven’t done anything re: coding since some basic html/css back when I was making like geocities websites as a 9 year old and now I regularly run my own SQL, VBA queries, have coded small features and functional apps, and all it takes is me describing what I need to a fucking computer screen.

Thinking any coding job is going to be safe 10 years from now is extreme cope. Software engineers had one hell of a run, though. $300k+ salaries left and right for a couple decades, pretty amazing.

[Anonymous No.54701740]

>>54700709
are you retarded? elon is working on a robot to do all of that

[Anonymous No.54701749]

>>54701733
if all you are doing is running sql queries no shit an ai can do that.

[Anonymous No.54701755]

>>54701643
as at now the language of the model in question is english. a reasonable first step for a human io interface. if you give it another dictionary like a romance language or such it would be fucked. why would you expect any different for c++ or whatever

[Anonymous No.54701769]

>>54700224
>LLMs have already hit a plateau
Come on, even I know this is not true, unless you are working behind the scenes?

[Anonymous No.54701773]

>>54701755
It works fine with other languages... It depends on whatever input data there is. Its just spitting out mixtures of code that already exists online.

[Anonymous No.54701780]

>>54701643
>but even then I'm not sure LLMs like chatgpt are above spitting out a straight copy and paste of something with just the variable names changed or something.
They barely do that. Licensing/copyright is the biggest barrier LLM’s face and nobody wants to talk about it
>Copilot has already been seen spitting out sections (with comments) of GPL code, proper usage of which requires the whole project to also be GPL
>jeets have been feeding ChatGPT snippets of proprietary code. Want to guess what happens when that’s the output to someone else’s question?
LLM’s simply have to be told what licenses are and how to apply them before corps will let anything they output be let within 1000 feet of their core bases. How likely is that to happen anytime soon?

[Anonymous No.54701857]

>>54701643
It expedites the process why do I need to hire you when a machine can do the same job for less. Now that doesn't mean YOUUUU will be layed off but what it means is you are more expendable in the eyes of the people above you who only see you as a number on a screen unless you are important enough then why do you care.

[Anonymous No.54701859]

>>54701773
all other languages? llm can only interpret what and how it has been instructed to interpret. plug in a dictionary an llm has not been instructed for and it would not pass as human

[Anonymous No.54701930]

>>54701780
I can't see how the LLM could do it, but maybe you could build another AI on top of it that can detect licensing in input data and then provide it with any answer that references that input data. Seems hard and not accurate though.

>>54701857
It doesn't expedite it though. Or it may slightly expedite something that only takes up <1% of a code monkey's time.

>>54701859
LLMs don''t know what languages are. But if you feed it spanish for example, it will be trained to respond to spanish with spanish because usually spanish follows spanish. Go test it, you can ask chatgpt questions in different languages, it works. The quality is just dependent on the amount of data containing that language which was fed into it

[Anonymous No.54701997]

>>54701930
i can’t speak any other language well enough to test. but think google translate. it does not translate how a translator would be re-ordering the words to make sense in the to translation, applying as masculine/feminine depending on context etc.. it just replaces word for word. the same applies for llms. chatgpt would not pass the same turing test criteria in all languages

[Anonymous No.54702067]

>>54701997
>it just replaces word for word
That's not how modern translation works, lol. And its not how LLMs work. LLMs don't have "dictionaries," they just get fed content to train them to determine what content would be statistically likely to follow some prompt. If you feed an LLM different languages, it will learn them all, assuming it can process the characters right. It might even find connections between languages if there is enough content containing both languages. If you ask it common enough questions like "what is X in spanish" it may be able to answer if that question has been asked in its input data, it will just spit out content that would be likely to follow.

[Anonymous No.54702176]

>>54701259
Any tips for someone who is currently learning to code?

[Anonymous No.54702334]

>>54700401
>nice cope post
Why are all these codefags getting laid off if they're so important. kek

[Anonymous No.54702372]

>>54700218
So coding basic CRUD apps and websites is now a solved problem. You will need a much deeper knowledge base to make it in the post AI world. The days when non college graduates could get coding jobs is over.

[Anonymous No.54702423]

>>54700401
Many small projects can now be done without human coding. The AI will be built into IDEs for large projects.

[Anonymous No.54702479]

>>54700224
The thing you retards are missing is that even when they increase productivity 10% you can get rid of 10% of the engineers.

GitHub copilot in combination with a smart junior can easily beat a medior that don't have the tool.

The best programmers or the one with the shittiest job conditions (standby fixing bugs, technical maintenance) will keep their job. All the job between will be ogre.

[Anonymous No.54702609]

>>54701439
this lol, how many fucking tech companies are producing a product with a potentially coherent and profitable business model? maybe 20-30% of them at most. Rest just skate by on investorbux until they can sell their bags to some retarded big company.

[Anonymous No.54702632]

>>54701339
>anon wants the rest of the board to believe that he could produce an entire codebase from scratch
I know prodigys who are for sure smarter then you, and they still google constantly. you are talking completely out of your arse.

[Anonymous No.54703439]

>>54701296
>im making well over 6-figures.
You get paid in yen or some shit?

[Anonymous No.54703522]

>>54700609
>noooo you have to be a level 80 programmer or you should be working at McDonalds! To many people are making too much money, WE MUST STOP THEM!
You guys are the biggest fags ever, you eggheaded homos talk so much shit online only to shit yourself whenever a slampig says gm to you in the cafe. t.AE that dabs on you faggot "Engineers" all fucking day.

[Anonymous No.54703670]

>>54703439
The vast majority of people are making around 350k+ nowadays. It's not really our fault if you're poor....

[Anonymous No.54703692]

>>54703670
>that codenigger who lies about his salary so he can justify spending 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, from ages 7 to 27, behind a computer.

[Anonymous No.54703800]

>>54700218
Yeah, the overpaid careers will burn first.
You brought this on yourselves.

[Anonymous No.54703822]

>>54703439
2021 I made over $1mil from my stock options. My base salary was only $150k. If I didn't retire that would be 80% less in '22 cus of the fed finally raising rates.

[Anonymous No.54703841]

>>54702334
Because the fed turned the money printer off. It has nothing to do with AI. A lot of code monkeys were redundant before there was just no pressure to cut dead weight at that point.

[Anonymous No.54703919]

just learn journalism

[Anonymous No.54703961]

>>54703670
350k is 6 figures, dumbass

[Anonymous No.54704259]

>>54700562
I agree that they arent good enough right now, but they have been getting better extremely fast. I give it a few years tops before most of the people on a team can be replaced.

[Anonymous No.54704324]

>>54700551
yep
problem with ai is that it needs a lot of tweaking to get things right to what you need
for example I wanted to see if an AI could output something acceptable, used a piece of our infrastructure code as the end goal
put a bunch of prompts in that each needed a little bit of adjusting to make it work, but that little bit of adjusting meant I already needed to know what I wanted to do with the tools I asked the AI the output, if I didnt know what I wanted its like blindly trusting a large piece of code from a stackoverflow answer and just copy pasting it straight up

[Anonymous No.54704335]

>>54703961
Ya but the line between someone making 100k and 700k is so vast... At 100k you can't really buy a home when you're competing with someone who has a better job...

[Anonymous No.54704412]

>>54704335
bros why cant I make 800k with 0YOE its not fair...

[Anonymous No.54704553]

>>54703522
nice projection but that doesn't make what i said wrong.

[Anonymous No.54704683]

I use chatgpt daily at work now, my employer pays for it. So far it’s helped with

- structuring a class that does some metaprogramming to structure ORM queries based on the type of conditions passed into a wrapper class
- splunk log regexp parsing / timescaling
- spitting out unit tests for a Remix controller
- fixing a config issue with memcached

As other commenters have pointed out this is basically a much more efficient StackOverflow. It’s pretty great but you still need to know what to ask it and how to prod it further (or just manipulate the results by hand yourself) when it gets things wrong, which is quite often.
I’m not at all convinced that this is going to improve by another step factor with GPT-5. First of all, GPT-4 is already well past the limits of what OpenAI can do profitably at scale. Second, the main way it can expand its token input is not going to come from StackOverflow or GitHub — that well has been tapped dry — but from things like podcasts and YouTube.
So for right now it’s a tool that makes it easier for me to be more productive than you, as a NEET making epic troll threads about how coders are obsolete but secretly wishing you had my job, but not something I’m particularly worried about replacing me any time in the foreseeable future.
And I mean if I’m wrong feel free to contradict me. Go on toptal or upwork and just start picking up projects. It should be easy since you can just tell the AI to do it for you.

[Anonymous No.54704773]

>>54704683
>And I mean if I’m wrong feel free to contradict me. Go on toptal or upwork and just start picking up projects. It should be easy since you can just tell the AI to do it for you.
This

Smooth brains thinks "learn to code" will become "learn to weld" but actually it's "learn to prompt" and bluecollar retards will once again be shut out from a major technological innovation.

Oh well, somebody has to remodel my bathroom and it sure as hell won't be me.

[Anonymous No.54704783]

>>54700609
Ironically bash scripts and devops are the first most suitable tasks to be automated.
Your points on webdevs could be also agreeable, but I'd like to see some stats on the percentage of web development in the entire IT industry, which I suppose is preponderant.
Nowadays even small industrial sensors use JSON over HTTP, and the collected data are usually shown on a browser wrapped in some fancy CSS.
It's not engineering I agree, it is infact craftsmanship, but still is in high demand and require skills.

[Anonymous No.54704976]

>>54704783
retard, JSON is just a format for sending data. HTTP is a protocol. Everything shown in a browser is part of UI development, which would involve writing code in javascript.
If an AI can write flawless code in JS, what makes you think it cant code in Java/Python/C/[insert language here].
If UI devs can get automated. Entire field of softdev is doomed. Its just a matter of time.

[Anonymous No.54705049]

>>54704976
pls read the post i was answering to

[Anonymous No.54705250]

>>54704783
my point is not that abstractions are used by lesser developers but that people claim to know how to do what they really cannot because management doesn't know better and these people are the ones getting fired. if you are at least somewhat competent you don't have to worry about anything.

[Anonymous No.54705311]

>>54705250
where do you think senior devs came from? they were junior devs once, they learned and gained experience through practice, trial and error and eventually after a while became seniors. You think firing juniors is going to fix everything this entire field. Nope, the AI engineers are not going to stop until entirety of software industry is automated, it will be a race to the bottom for current survivors.

[Anonymous No.54705341]

>>54700284
learn to fly

[Anonymous No.54705570]

>>54705341
I imagine this is a worse job than a code monkey

[Anonymous No.54705784]

itt, code monkeys dont understand that ai grows exponentially

[Anonymous No.54705938]

>>54700284
Death.

[Anonymous No.54706018]

If this doesn’t wake you up to hedge for an alternate career, I’m not sure what would.

https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/

Coding jobs eventually will not be replaced by AI managed by massive Data Science teams. It will be replaced by verticalised B2B products.

[Anonymous No.54706061]

>The sky is falling yet again according to "tech journalists" who have never written a line of code
>The sour grapes enthusiasts are making outrageous claims once again

So another regular week?

[Anonymous No.54706069]

I can't fathom how retards actually believe that AIs will be able to single handedly prop up a near 100 trillion dollar world economy in the near future. No, idiots, just because it can produce some code snippets on demand doesn't mean it can replace human thought and ingenuity. Wake me up when an AI is capable of performing even half of the functions of a 50 IQ Human retard. Right now it's basically a glorified Ouija board.

[Anonymous No.54706087]

>>54700224
Creativity, knowledge and sentience are lower down the intelligence hierarchy than chunky juicy bigbrain intelligence, high knowledge low intelligence tasks like code monkey tier programming will be some of the first to be automated

[Anonymous No.54706109]

>>54700284
>whats the 2023 equivalent of learn to code?
probably renewable technician, solar power is exploding in Europe, not enough people installing them, also i have heard that fiber optic technicians are also well payed, working by commission, since there is so much fiber to lay they can make tons of money working extra hours and stuff

[Anonymous No.54706124]

>>54706018
in english please

[Anonymous No.54706146]

>>54706124
That's just generic buzzwords that have no meaning.

[Anonymous No.54706190]

>>54701410
It doesn't help that they curate the engine to ignore "questionable content".

Systems need to be easy to use, easy to maintain and effective. Google search used to be these things.

[Anonymous No.54706312]

>>54705570
>sitting in a comfy seat watching the beauty of the earth from 30000 feet while doing nothing for 99% of the flight is a worse job than having to talk to smelly pajeets all day and having to write endless shitty code for soulless apps that are destroying society
no

[Anonymous No.54706388]

>>54706018
>If this doesn’t wake you up to hedge for an alternate career, I’m not sure what would.
this is using chatgpt as an interface to wolfram alpha, being used to do things wolfram alpha could do 10 years ago. this has nothing to do with the typical coding job btw.
>Coding jobs eventually will not be replaced by AI managed by massive Data Science teams. It will be replaced by verticalised B2B products.
you are describing jevon's paradox. yeah there will be a lot more b2b saas products in the future. that does not imply fewer coding jobs, quite the opposite.

[Anonymous No.54706657]

>>54700608
you've been already blown the fuck out by not even knowing what llm is shut the fuck up faggot

[Anonymous No.54707700]

AHEM, TECHNIGGERS CAN I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE.

I read near enough every post in this thread. And I wanted to let you know, your fud...

didn't work.

Still studying computer science.

>SEETHE
>AND
>COPE

[Anonymous No.54707730]

>>54703670
>The vast majority of people are making around 350k+ nowadays
People who have to live in leftist shitholes yeah.

200k+ is awesome for a remote job in the rural midwest

[Anonymous No.54707759]

>>54701733
>skiddy brags about basic bitch webpage programming
No one's getting paid $300k to do that stuff anymore, keep coping

[Anonymous No.54707770]

>tfw cyber security

[Anonymous No.54707850]

>>54706069
>the ability to automate something that formally required a human is meaningless if it can't automate everything.
Dullard

[L Lawliet !!jIcPNMSVBL3 No.54707854]

>>54700284
rope

[Anonymous No.54708025]

>>54700224
>Cope. LLMs have already hit a plateau. There's no creativity. No logical understanding of what it's generating.

[Anonymous No.54708204]

>>54705570
it's not but it's waaaaaay less accessible to become a pilot, it cost a huge amount of money up front

[Anonymous No.54708289]

>>54707770
whats up mongoose

[Anonymous No.54708322]

Code monkeys will be the first ones to go. Advanced pure mathematics and canon level arts will be the last (probably not until ASI)

[Anonymous No.54708421]

>>54700251
makes me want to join a bootcamp for HR.

[Anonymous No.54708830]

>>54708322
ASI comes first, pretty obvious when you think about it, everyone is sentient, how many have high intelligence? Stands to reason that it's exponentially more computationally expensive to get to a 150 iq equivalent than a 50

[Anonymous No.54708843]

>>54700218
>Coding jobs were supposed to be safe. Not anymore.
They haven't been considered "safe" in fucking decades.
>Vox
lol

[Anonymous No.54708957]

>>54700218

this is silly. there will be some efficiency gains.. maybe... it's a nice tool for engineers... but it's not like product is just going to start having ChatGPT making/maintaining/updating software.

[Anonymous No.54709010]

>>54700284
Learn to NEET.

[Anonymous No.54709095]

>>54700284
learn to prompt

[Anonymous No.54709879]

>>54700218
kek I used the snapchat AI bot to write tradingview indicators for me I can also get it to make changes to ones ive made I think its slowly learning

[Anonymous No.54709931]

>>54705570
Really? Honestly surprised to hear that.
I mean as a pilot, even if they were paid $50k it's trivial to have a literal international harem of willing, interested women.
Add on the fact that you're going to be a multimillionaire with even the lowest level of money management and I mean...???
And to me chilling out in the cockpit seems pretty good compared to being in office hell or any other similar situtaion.
Plus even if you're not a social type you're basically gifted interactions with a massive group of what in generally outside of the North America is considered a job for attractive women(Flight Attendants if it isn't obvious). So even the biggest autist doesn't have to worry about having women to socialize with...and if you prefer Asians, or Eastern Europeans, or whatever...they're there.
And that's not even imagining how easy dating apps would be for one night stands in international cities by simply throwing up a profile pic of you flying a goddamn plane...
Fuck I don't even think I ever realized how fucking amazing being a pilot is until I wrote this out...

[Anonymous No.54709945]

>>54708421
HR will be handled by 10% the employees needed to run it now with in 10 years I would wager.
Perhaps women in HR will invent new titles and tasks for themselves however. Since people understand how to weaponize identity in a way that even the nature of questioning the idea risks ruining ones life(unless this changes somehow via AI as well through hard logical reasoning...probably not).

[Anonymous No.54710062]

>>54700218
>>54700251
>>Software engineers made up the biggest portion of tech layoffs in 2023.
you won't be too happy after comparing the number of people laid off in 2023 vs number of tech people hired during the pandemic...

[Anonymous No.54710373]

>>54705311
software development lifecycle does not only consist of writing code. you could automate writing code (partly) but you can't automate the whole process. it requires abstract thinking - something ai simply doesn't have and with current ai technology it is not possible to implement artificial general intelligence. i'd take enthusiastic junior dev over ai any time of the day.

[Anonymous No.54710385]

>>54709945
HR is australia have started calling themselves 'business partners' even though they're employees like every body else.

[Anonymous No.54710510]

>>54710385
lmao. That's really funny because in NA 'partner' is actually a legit and coveted position in like the big 4 accounting firms and such. Plus law firms etc...
Just watch HR get away with this too lol

[Anonymous No.54710575]

>>54710373
You don't think you'll be able to build a pipeline that uses your own abtract thinking in various different modules, that in the end either eliminate the need for that junior dev, or at the very least make it so you and other devs in a senior position can share one junior(or new sort of position really) that specializes in efficiently working with you and your custom AI augmented workflow to do what needs to be done to get things shipped?
I think the juniors are fucked desu(but I could be mistaken), and me calling it a junior before is wrong. Something like a new class of AI Devops(but not to replace current Devops, just similar in the general idea). New positions that will be invented to work alongside devs that are good enough to survive the purge, but new positions that ultimately can eliminate many of the current junior-type roles by consolidating and streamlining workloads.
Personally I think you will be able to automate a lot of the process soon enough. But it's not something I can prove to you. It's just something I would bet on progress wise in the next couple of years based on what I've seen so far. Something 'resembling' abstract and probabilistic thinking is very possible in my mind. Even if it still requires one new specialized dude to handle what would previously take 5 men alongside people who are already experienced programmers.
Devops is the best analogy I can come up with so far but it's not really giving justice to the multi-instanced and task-specific specialized fine-tuned models I'm picturing working in a production environment 2 years from now.

[Anonymous No.54710584]

>>54710293
???

[Anonymous No.54710596]

let me guess AI will replace us? you don't even know how code works retard

[Anonymous No.54710649]

>>54710575
it's not something you can prove because you have not worked in the industry. it seems as though you keep coming up with justifications not to apply yourself to a junior position in any tech field but if you did and saw things for what they are i can absolutely guarantee you that you would change your opinion about ai and it's role in software development. i might change my own opinion if i saw general artificial intelligence being developed but until then there is absolutely nothing to worry about. ai in its current form is like a really cool spell for people who don't know how it works under the hood.

[Anonymous No.54710657]

>>54705570
If flying the world and fucking women from every corner of the earth sounds like shit then you're a fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.54710681]

>>54702479
On top of this there are more compsci student graduating every year while the job market for CS shrinks. CS grads didn't peak until 2005 after the dot com bubble burst, it's only going to get worse from here.

[Anonymous No.54711418]

>>54701217
>boomers retire
>zoomers quit before starting
Sounds based as fuck for the next 10-20 years

[Anonymous No.54711438]

>>54700218
Same for art. it's only a matter of time until AI takes over about 40% of the jobs out there. And it only evolves even more, we currently have no idea how far it can go, and what it will be able to do. In 2030, it's possible that uber drivers are also extinct. The single best thing to learn right now is how to supervise AI and fix their mistakes. This is the future.

[Anonymous No.54711651]

>>54710681
except this is literally just your headcanon. software and comp sci jobs are growing by every available metric. there is a bottleneck for new grads and junios devs sure, mostly due to pajeets and boot camp niggers spamming every position they see because tiktok told them they can get 400k salary from learning to code in 6 months.

this "coding is finished, 2 more weeks" cope needs to fuck off. i think its a mixture of fud from devs wanting less competition and tradeoids seething they have to crawl around in shit all day fixing pipes for what we get sitting behind a computer copy and pasting.

[Anonymous No.54711881]

>>54705341
>get skin cancer anon
get fucked m8

[Anonymous No.54713254]

>>54700224
I beg to differ. The creative problems I've presented gpt4 are complex enough and I'm stunned by what it can output with a bit of help. Its made me realize how over it is.

All these faggot artists are seething but no one around me understands how monumental these developments are.

It's like having a workforce in my fucking pocket that costs as much as a big mac meal a month.

[Anonymous No.54713290]

Tech has never been "safe." There have been famous bubbles and hot streaks. There was a period where people thought every single job was going to get shipped overseas to India. Your safety depends on your role and your company, people in these experimental, R&D departments and projects were always living on borrowed time. Tech giants only keep them around when things are booming and they have capital to waste.

[Anonymous No.54713310]

>>54701191
As soon as the models can start to ruminate on problems in loops and reiterate on the solution wont it be over?

[Anonymous No.54714100]

>>54700344
Probably already the case. I wouldn’t be surprised if organizations like the NYT are already using this tech to cut out 70% of the initial work.

[Anonymous No.54714169]

>>54713310
At present the models don't even begin to exist until someone collects a fuckload of training data.

[Anonymous No.54714291]

>>54707759
Basic bitch programming today, in 3 years imagine what it is capable of. A lot of retards are still paying for SQL certs and I see "SQL proficiency" in job ad requirements all the time. Imagine how worthless all that shit gets in 6 months when every HR retard understands you don't need proficiency because AI will do better than any human you hire.

[Anonymous No.54714299]

>>54706069
There are a lot of thoughts i keep in my head, ai doesn’t know those thoughts because they’re not in the ether. Billions of people are like this. Ai knowledge is just scratching the surface of human thought.

[Anonymous No.54714440]

>>54700284
>learn to homestead

[Anonymous No.54714531]

AI is a catalyst not a replacement. Companies aren't gonna want to reduce the amount of money when they suddenly have more bang for their buck.

[Anonymous No.54714557]

>>54713254
GPT-4 had zero progress in AP english literature over GPT-3/3.5. Non-Mediocre artists are the last to fall, But desu, Majority will face a problem considering mainstream art can be narrowed down to a simple formula

[Anonymous No.54714752]

>>54700284
learn to scam people. it's your only way out during an economic crisis.

[Anonymous No.54715119]

>>54700594
>t. dunning kruger moron

[Anonymous No.54715216]

>>54701405
go back to flipping burgers Tyson

[Anonymous No.54715374]

Has anyone here even tried to use AI for software shit in any serious capacity? I have, this shit is absolutely not even close to production-ready lol. These layoffs have nothing to do with "muh AI" and the only people who think they do are tech-illiterate midwits.

[Anonymous No.54715448]

>>54700224
unfortunately this is true. Non coders can't understand this. LLMs will increase the productivity of a programmer.

If you can't architect systems together then good luck trying to ask an LLM to do something.

>LLM build me a large scale open world RPG set in a fantasy setting.
>outputs a 10gb file of code
>Have to know how to build the code, read the code, debug the code etc.
>bugs will come up with a system that complex especially with one written by an LLM. Good luck asking the LLM how to debug it

This is not even accounting for adding features, deployments, testing blah blah. The list goes on

[Anonymous No.54715481]

>>54700284
Learn to homestead.

[Anonymous No.54715492]

>>54700594
>>54700614
>>54715119
The point is not that you will be replaced wholesale by an AI, it's that the good devs will become much, much more efficient with AI help and thus there will be fewer dev jobs available on the market. This means brutal competition for those remaining jobs. Unless you're in the top 15% you won't be getting shit and, even if you are that good, your pay will be pushed lower and lower as competition increases. If you don't see this coming you don't understand the field and you don't understand basic economics.

And if you factor in peak energy and what that means for job specialization in general...

[Anonymous No.54715577]

>>54715448
No dude you don't understand, the AI will build the code and read it and debug the errors

[Anonymous No.54716538]

>>54700284

learn a trade