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[Anonymous No.57544362]

How were we convinced that wage slaving 20-30 years of your healthy adult life in exchange for “freedom” in senility, was a good deal?

I genuinely don’t understand how people could be content with it for so long

[Anonymous No.57544408]

>>57544362
It's better than the system that exsisted before, wage slaving for 60 years and dying. Getting to retire as a low/middle class person was an anomaly of the last 50 years.

[Anonymous No.57544414]

>>57544362
>How were we convinced
Maybe you were fooled, but don't try to bring "us" into it.

[Anonymous No.57544426]

>>57544362
The system before this was even worse, retirement didn't even exist as a concept.

[Anonymous No.57544435]

>>57544362
It used to be fair trade. The money was worth more, savings accounts paid out 5% interest, the retirement age was lower, and the economy was booming, people were more comfortable interacting with their community. Now they pay you barely what you need to survive, watch you everyday electronically to make sure you are performing at peak efficiency, and expect you to kiss their ass for the opportunity.

[Anonymous No.57544450]

>>57544362
I agree. Senility shouldn't really exist but lobbies are now literally resistant to preventing it given the economic consequences.

[Anonymous No.57544478]

>>57544426
The system in the 50s?
They had retirement.
That system is long gone though. This is when retirement disappears for either the sake of monetary finance or for the sake of ... de-aging.
I doubt either will happen, disease will most likely just kill us all. It takes a couple hackers now.

[Anonymous No.57544493]

>>57544478
Lol. Average life span in 1950 was 65. Retirement wasn't a thing then either. You'd work until you were on your deathbed.

[Anonymous No.57544499]

>>57544362
Not only that but they actually take pride in it. Then you start to (((notice))) other things all over society that also make no sense. And for the coup de grace you get 9/11 and the plandemic to tie it all together, and it becomes clear that (((they))) were completely right about gentiles all along.

[Anonymous No.57545208]

>>57544362
in the meantime they lowered median living conditions below the required minimum to have a functioning society
no idea why they attempted such a thing but the most obvious issue is that housing should never have become an investment vehicle
for there is little point in being rich in a shit society where everything breaks apart anyways

[Anonymous No.57545221]

>>57544362
Cuz white people

[Anonymous No.57545258]

Used to be a fantastic deal, a dumb wagie could own a car, home and family and a smart wagie could own multiple homes, many cars, great food and a family. Now only a nigger and a faggot get the benefits

[Anonymous No.57545295]

>>57544362
It made sense when it only took one income earner to support a wife and kids, and you could buy a house for 2x your income even with a manual tradie job.

Now the social contract has broken down and its not worth it any more.

[Anonymous No.57545314]

>>57544362
>wage slaving 20-30 years of your healthy adult life
It's 40-45 years, do the math anon.

[Anonymous No.57545418]

>>57545295
repeat of 1789 wen

[Anonymous No.57545490]

>>57544408
Industrial society and its consequences...

[Anonymous No.57545558]

In context, people historically needed to farm or hunt or forage or fight to survive.

[Anonymous No.57545622]

>>57544362
I'm NEETing since my early 20's and never worked since, maybe you were fooled bucko but not me

[Anonymous No.57546720]

>>57545622
Based

[Anonymous No.57546734]

>>57544408
Cope
>>57544362
People are sheep. Simple as

[Anonymous No.57546740]

>>57544408
This.

[Anonymous No.57546748]

>>57544426
Retard alert

[Anonymous No.57546750]

>>57546720
based though it is true that industrial society and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[Anonymous No.57546765]

>>57545558
God I wish that was me

[Anonymous No.57546774]

>>57546750
These mushroom head album covers suck ass

[Anonymous No.57546776]

>>57544362
Why were you convinced of this?

Learn a skill/find a niche

Open a business

I make above median and I work 15 hours a week, Do whatever I want, which is usually just sit on the computer and invest money since I’ve already done all the drugs and alchohol to permanently damage my body

In4fter Reddit spacing. Sperg

[Anonymous No.57546777]

>>57544362
maybe society is waiting for another Leftist faggot to ask for socialism? That's never been tried before, right?
Oh wait, it was tried? Did it work well?

[Anonymous No.57546791]

>>57544362
The standard was established with two generations that were traumatized by war and economic depression, and solidified by one generation poisoned by airborne lead and another generation who were traumatized by the preceding generation and their inability to fight back (because of their smaller numbers).

Essentially, don't bother trying to understand; it's irrational.

[Anonymous No.57546801]

>>57546776
>Open a business
What business? What can you possible offer that Walmart, Costco and Amazon can't do better and cheaper?

[Anonymous No.57546803]

>>57546776
Oh wowow anotehr post where anon from reddit claims he makes 500,000 dollars answering his phone and playing tetris wowowo wish I had gone to gitbub bootcamp in 2012 and become a gitbubber wowwowowowo.

[Anonymous No.57546807]

>>57544362
>I genuinely don’t understand how people could be content with it for so long
They aren't dumbass

[Anonymous No.57546822]

>>57546791

[Anonymous No.57546858]

>wage slaving 20-30 years
>go to college at 18
>start working at 23
>retire at 43-53

I don't think that's possible unless you get a +10k dollars job and save half of it every single month in an index fund or something

[Anonymous No.57546892]

>>57544362
>How were we convinced that wage slaving 20-30 years of your healthy adult life in exchange for “freedom” in senility, was a good deal?

It's easy. All the other alternatives are worse. Most of them even lead to plain tyranny.

[Anonymous No.57546918]

>>57546858
and that's assuming a lost decade does not happen AND you are not fired to hire someone cheaper

[Anonymous No.57546969]

>>57546858
>+10k dollars job
If you and your wife both make $85k that's $170k/yr and $14k per month. On that income you can comfortably afford a $750k house.

[Anonymous No.57546977]

>>57544408
Agricultural life is divided into seasons. You don’t just work 24/7 like today. There are real benefits to existing today, mostly in the fact that one can enlighten one’s mind with education. But why pretend.

[Anonymous No.57547175]

>>57544408
I have no idea why people are so desperate on thinking there is a way out, there ins't a single form of goverment or economy where 99% of the population ins't going to work to death, feudalism, communism, anarchism you name it, nothing can change it. Even retiring is something only the rich, the bureaucrats and the upper middle class can afford.

[Anonymous No.57547318]

>>57547175
>there ins't a single form of goverment or economy where 99% of the population ins't going to work to death
Not true.

>As of the third quarter of 2021, 50.3% of U.S. adults 55 and older said they were out of the labor force due to retirement
And that's early retirement at 55. 70% of U.S. adults 65-69 were retired.

[Anonymous No.57547343]

>>57547175
Tribes. Look at tribes.
If it can happen at that scale it can be expanded.

[Anonymous No.57547359]

>>57544362
it was a fair trade when we had white nations where a man could support a family of 5-7 with his paycheck.

[Anonymous No.57547496]

>>57547359
Was it a fair trade for those in smaller nations who's exploitation made such a lifestyle possible?

[Anonymous No.57547515]

>>57547496
Shut up before we conquer you again, nigger.

[Anonymous No.57547531]

>>57544362
Ask women. They fought tooth and nail for the right to wake up at 6am everyday and wageslave their youth away. That's freedom. Crazy huh?

[Anonymous No.57547561]

fucking save as much as you can and don't make risky investments, for fucks sake don't fall for "enjoy life while you are young" bullshit to waste your wealth, imagine being crippled at 50s and living till your 90s without money

[Anonymous No.57547562]

>>57547343
>If it can happen at that scale it can be expanded
Lol. That's terrible logic. That's not true at all. I'm not talking about retirement specifically, just that logic in general. Just because something works at very small scale does not even remotely mean it can work with hundreds of millions of people.

[Anonymous No.57547599]

>>57547496
I see you drank your women's studies teacher's cum from his feminine trans penis. Learn actual history you retard.

[Anonymous No.57547612]

>>57544362
There was no social media before where we could open people's eyes. Also, anyone who would say anything about it would be figuratively burned at the stake. The older generations were raised on being proud of work, being loyal to a company, etc.. that was their pride. It's was like a trend or a tradition in the same way that other trends or traditions just become common practice and nobody questions for hundreds of years. There's an end to everything, gen Alpha will be the luckiest generation in a very long time as they will be the first to reap the benefits of this, they will also experience freedom like no other.

[Anonymous No.57547627]

You're supposed to own your own business.
The wage slave for your whole life thing is a very recent invention that boomer popularized and imposed on every generation after them.

[Anonymous No.57547634]

>>57547612
>the world will get better the moment everyone stops working!
>you can tell by how much better the world is getting every day.

[Anonymous No.57547667]

>>57547634
It gets worse before it gets better, I also want to point out that you have a very unique and hard to understand form of greentexting.

[Anonymous No.57547678]

>>57547667
Are you ESL?

[Anonymous No.57547690]

>>57547612
You're a fucking idiot. Gen Alpha will not be entrepreneurial, they will sit in a vegetative state in their apple glasses watching AI thots play video games while their physical body degenerates into a combo of muscleless flab and terrible skin. They are not motivated and they are stupid. Humanity is finished.

[Anonymous No.57547697]

>>57547678
Nope. Actually, I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but you don't know how to use greentext.

[Anonymous No.57547699]

>>57547627
>You're supposed to own your own business.
Which business with any potential of growth can you even start nowadays that big companies didn't made outdated?

[Anonymous No.57547707]

>>57547699
Any store that has an online presence has potentially billions of customers. You literally can't fail with numbers like that.

[Anonymous No.57547712]

>>57547697
>>57547612
obvious troll is obvious.

[Anonymous No.57547731]

>>57547707
Charlie Munger already said you can't possibly do better than Costco so he just gave up and brought their stocks instead.

[Anonymous No.57547734]

>>57544362
>How were we convinced that wage slaving 20-30 years of your healthy adult life in exchange for “freedom” in senility, was a good deal?
18+20-30= 38-48
22+20-30= 42-52

38-52 'senility' tier. sucks to be OP

[Anonymous No.57547752]

>>57544362
im glad that we're waking up as a generation, imagine getting forced to be a cog in the machine for your whole life because that's what a "good hardworking american does", if anything automation should help us work more, not less

Maybe AI will be the point of no return, once everything can be automated to the point of doing it instantly, said jobs will be fully delegated to the AI, some projects like AGRS are aiming at doing shit like that already

[Anonymous No.57548228]

>>57547175
I guess a really well managed economy and social democracy allows most to retire at 60s with a decent wage but yeah that's the best we can get, anything else fucks up the economy way too much for it to be viable.

[Anonymous No.57548688]

>>57544426
>retirement didn't even exist as a concept.
People had kids, lucky people, like firstborns that inherited farms. Most kids became vagrants and had hard lives and died at 40 of some infection

[Anonymous No.57548713]

>>57547175
>where 99% of the population ins't going to work to death,
The solution is investing 50% of your income in a retirement account, after 20 years of work it should be enough capital to live off the profit and to leave to your kids

[Anonymous No.57550113]

>>57547734
>>57546858
realistically in your 50s your body starts to give our and you start looking old and wrinkly. That's why I said "healthy". It's your prime
>>57546892
>>57544408
>muh it was worse before
That's not an excuse for the fanatical defending of the current "system". Never before has the average worker felt so helpless, insignificant, and docile. Never before has the average person felt that they are wasting their most valuable time.