/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.5779817]

Prove me wrong
you can't

[Anonymous No.5779948]

>>5779817
That's just a sementic issue, yes taxation is theft but it doesn't make it bad.

[Anonymous No.5780009]

>>5779817
> Theft
Removes monitary value from you for no gain.
> Taxation
Exchanges monitary value from you for infrastructure (roads, police, military, etc)

Now fuck off with your anarchy ass

[Anonymous No.5780126]

>>5780009

Condition of roads are shit.
Education is shit.
Basically everything is shit.

This has been the worst trade and it's people like you that believe it's not.

Kys.

[Anonymous No.5780139]

>>5779817
i cannot

fuck the (((tax collection agency)))

[Anonymous No.5780184]

>>5780009
>Exchanges monitary value from you for infrastructure
the exchange was involuntary and backed up with threat of violence. it's theft.

[Anonymous No.5780263]

>>5780009

>muh infrastructure

the warcry of the common taxcuck

[Anonymous No.5780278]

>>5780126
how could you be low iq enough to say something like this? how could you possibly know what standard is reasonable to expect for roads, education and other public services relative to the amount of money allocated to it? how can people this ignorant give their opinions so confidently? it's just mindblowing to me

[Anonymous No.5780331]

>>5780184
it literally doesn't matter to normal people though. they realize that the services provided through taxation are not only entirely necessary, but also entirely impossible WITHOUT taxation. no one gives a shit if some neckbeartarian consents to it or not, normal people are just trying to keep society running while you're larping online

[Anonymous No.5780352]

>>5779817
You rely on the things the taxes pay for to live. You clearly have the selfish mindset of a nignog and should go to live in Somalia with the rest of your kind.

[Anonymous No.5780356]

Fuck off to an island somewhere and make your own society without taxes then .

Oh wait, you're just a free loading cuck that enjoys roads and police but doesn't want to contribute towards them.

No one would give 2 shits if you just fuck off and live in the wilderness.

You won't though because you're a pussy and you don't want to give up modern comforts that exist thanks to taxes.

[Anonymous No.5780371]

>>5780278
He'd rather have to pay each time he uses a road, which will be of the absolute lowest quality that the market will bear

[Anonymous No.5780391]

Move to the Bahamas then, idiots.

[Anonymous No.5780402]

It's moral absolutism - stealing is stealing is stealing and it doesn't matter how little the personal cost is to you or how great the benefit is to society at large. It's myopic as fuck.

[Anonymous No.5780457]

>>5779817
You have been under the protection of the social contract for three months before you were born. It's automatic opt-in because you lacked the capacity at the time to decide whether the protection of society in exchange for taxes in 18.25 years was a good deal.

If you don't like the social contract, leave it, there are plenty of options to do so. Unless you're poor, in which case you benefit from taxation.

[Anonymous No.5780501]

>>5780356
>modern comforts that exist thanks to taxes.
the mind of a cuck, fascinating

[Anonymous No.5780502]

>>5779817
thats why XMR exist my friend

[Anonymous No.5780547]

>>5780371
who is building the road before anyone can use it, and with what money

who is paying for people with legitimate disabilities

who is paying for the police, ambulances, fire fighters, etc

[Anonymous No.5780558]

>>5779948
*semetic

[Anonymous No.5780587]

>>5780501
Technically, aren't you the bigger cuck? You're the one who doesn't want to be taxed but still are. No one else even minds it. Generally, the cuck is humiliated and feels powerless to stop what is happening to him

[Anonymous No.5780594]

>>5780278
>>5780331
>>5780352
>>5780356

you fucking retards my country taxes me at about 70% or more if you count everything (income tax, VAT, social security, etc. etc.).
Then you get taxed on capital gains and if you draw a pension you pay taxes on that too. Mean while the roads are falling apart, the schools have no money, the social system is falling apart and the government is importing millions of shitskins to give them free handouts.
And worst of all you pay more taxes the more you earn. So youre literally disincentivized to make any money in this shithole. Tax rate is literally second highest in the EU, government is raking in record amounts of taxes and meanwhile the average wealth per household is lower than in some developing shithoules.

Now I would happily pay a flat tax of a reasonable amount that doesnt just get wasted on shitksins and paying off interest on sovereign debt. But whats happening right now is theft of the highest order. So KYS and dont give me that shit off "muh infrastructure, muh fair share"

[Anonymous No.5780603]

Shout out to all brainlet who think tax is for the good off the many lel dont forget to give your privacy away too

[Anonymous No.5780614]

>>5780547
who is paying so muslims can keep breeding?

[Anonymous No.5780615]

>>5779817

That's why you make powerful friends at the IRS and they turn a blind eye when you cash out.

power>>>money

[Anonymous No.5780637]

>>5780009
>Exchanges monitary value from you for infrastructure (roads, police, military, etc)
I would honestly have no problem with taxes is that's only what they were actually used for.

[Anonymous No.5780653]

>>5779817
and? have you discovered anything new? maybe you know how to fix it?

[Anonymous No.5780671]

>>5780594
Sounds to me like you have good reason to gripe. Americans, on the other hand, not so much

[Anonymous No.5780725]

>>5779817
you have to pay for black people and aids cuz you are a racist white male. dem reparations.

[Anonymous No.5780728]

>>5779817
the thief spends the money he robbed on things that dont affect you. Taxes are spent on things that do, like the military protecting your ass from full on invasion. There, big difference.

[Anonymous No.5780735]

>>5780594
>Now I would happily pay a flat tax of a reasonable amount that doesnt just get wasted on shitksins and paying off interest on sovereign debt. But whats happening right now is theft of the highest order. So KYS and dont give me that shit off "muh infrastructure, muh fair share"

this is a completely fair point, but you can't use "taxation = theft" as a principle here, because it'd apply just as much to a reasonable tax rate. it's not a matter of principle, it's a matter of pragmatism.

>>5780614
(((the jews))) xD

[Anonymous No.5780836]

>>5780614

Well without government Muslims would turn Europe into goat breeding land at this point, so there's that.

[Anonymous No.5780850]

You choose to live in a nation where taxation is the law. You are independent and not underage, no one is stopping you from leaving. If you truly believe you are being robbed then you should go off the grid and start an anarchy community (or live on your own). As an abled body man, you should not use what our taxes has to offer without putting in work.
It’s your consent of staying that makes it not robbery. Not paying taxes and using our resources is you theiving the people.

[Anonymous No.5780855]

>>5780728
what if the thief pays his taxes with the money he stole from you

[Anonymous No.5780896]

Taxation is slavery

[Anonymous No.5780910]

>>5779817
nobody actually collects tax... they just depend on you to voluntarily pay it.

[Anonymous No.5780934]

>>5780735
>this is a completely fair point, but you can't use "taxation = theft" as a principle here, because it'd apply just as much to a reasonable tax rate. it's not a matter of principle, it's a matter of pragmatism.

no it would still be theft but I could live with it
in an ideal world the state wouldnt have to collect any taxes at all. it could finance itself by exploting natural resources, running postal and train services and providing basic utilities and infrastructure to its citizens. there is no need to tax anyone at all. most of the amount of taxes is wasted on bullshit, mismanagement, government corruption and sucked up by cronies who have the politicans in their pocket.

taxation is theft and destroys wealth. but I would be ok with a tolerable amount (say 10-15%) if it means I can live in a stable and healthy society. thats only out of pragmatism and for a lack of options really, not because I agree that taxation isnt theft.

[Anonymous No.5781010]

>>5780850

>just leave your friends, family, culture and your roots all behind to get exploited by some other country. its no big deal.

you taxcucks make me sick. you are nasty, awful people and if you ever became productive members of society who actually make money you would start hating taxes too.

[Anonymous No.5781059]

>>5779817
>>5779948

What makes it bad is that taxes barely benefit the tax payer anymore. It is theft when you're being forced to pay for something abused by a fully corrupted system.

If my taxes went to:
>Education
>Infrastructure
>Anti-crime
>Anti-litter/graffiti/Community Beautification
>Legitimate anti-drug trafficking etc.

Instead of
>Corrupt politicians that sell out Americans for a living
>Needless wars that benefit solely the military industrial complex and endanger the national security of the nation
>Welfare designed to keep people on welfare instead of helping them achieve a stable job
>Indoctrination of the masses and the like

Then I'd be glad to pay my taxes. Hell, I'd be honored. But the U.S. would have to look more like Japan and less like a 3rd world shit hole for that to happen.

[Anonymous No.5781161]

>>5780278
the US has arguably the shittiest infrastructure of any 1st world country.
them taxes ain't helping much apparently

[Anonymous No.5781192]

>>5780009
If I break into your house and steal 1000 dollars, but leave a shitty 10 year old phone on your desk as compensation, I didn't steal?

[Anonymous No.5781204]

>>5780009
If I put a gun to your head, grab 50 bucks off your wallet but give you 3.5 back you got something out of it so it's not theft and you should be thankful. Gotcha

[Anonymous No.5781215]

>>5781059
Compelling argument, I agree with you.

[Anonymous No.5781277]

>>5781010
Yes, choices have consequences. It’s up to you to live in the state. And as I said, LIVE OFF THE GRID. It’s no coincidence you have to live like a caveman to not get taxed. Also “cuck” is not an argument.

[Anonymous No.5781283]

>United States founded because some rogue alphas dont want to pay taxes
>their numale cuck descendants defend taxation because "muh infrastructure"

If youre american and argue in favor of taxes you might as well kill yourself right now. your forefathers are looking down on you in shame

[Anonymous No.5781296]

>>5780594

not even suckin anons dick here, but can anyone argue against this here? I have nothing to counter it with. My normie ass always goes to "well, I'm pathetic for not wanting to pay tax cuz roads cuz cops cuz stuff"

[Anonymous No.5781338]

>>5781277

>lol just give up on your career and live in a cave or leave the country

you are really despicable anon
do you blame women for getting raped because they were born in the wrong country as well?

[Anonymous No.5781426]

>>5780850
>what our taxes has to offer without putting in work.

>>5781277


Please tell me what it's like to live in a major city. You idiots have no idea how little tax money is going where it is needed. I live in fucking Philadelphia. I went to private school, because the state of our public education system is so fucking horrible. Our streets are filled with potholes, our public transport is outdated, literally everything in this city that taxes SHOULD be paying for, are not. I repeat, if my taxes were going to a good cause, I'd be honored, HONORED, to pay them. You're either blind and stupid, and deserve to be robbed blind and stupid if you can't see the current state of taxation in this country for what it is. I never voted for trillions of dollars in war. I never agreed to pay hundreds of thousands over the years for social security in a system that is no longer sustainable. Taxation without representation IS theft, and that's WHY this country was fucking founded in the first place. The allocation of taxes no longer represent the interests of 90% of Americans if you care about
>Education
>Infrastructure
>Community (low crime, good policing, fewer need for mass incarceration)
>ACTUAL peace keeping (not fucking war in the name of peace)
>Socioeconomic improvement (Welfare is designed to keep people on welfare, not out of it)
>Social security that is sustainable and reasonable

Tell me one goddamn thing my money has done for the people. Me, or my neighbors. Tell me one fucking thing anon, I dare you.

[Anonymous No.5781441]

>>5781059
this

[Anonymous No.5781497]

>>5780009
Government is necessary for certain things... gov is not necessary for roads. Private sector does everything better than gov. Show me one example contrary and I'll suck your dads dick

[Anonymous No.5781555]

>>5781338
As I said, actions have consequences. Your ad hominems are not an argument. And no, that’s different.

[Anonymous No.5781598]

>>5780352
Why should i pay much more than the common person? Why isnt it flat? Do i have special rights on these infrastructures over other retards that pay 1/1000 of what i pay because they are too braindamaged to know how to make and manage money?

Im not even making money off the community, im sure at least 90% of my money comes abroad, so why should i HAVE to contribute in a much deeper level than the average joe? Why do i HAVE to give away my money regardless if i agreeor not with how the spend it? You fucktards really think the majority of the money goes to building roads and shit? Most of it is lobbied and goes to invest in shit that I DO NOT AGREE WITH like refugee cities and just straight up handouts to fucking faggots what wanna sit on their ass and smoke/drink all day.

Fuck off cunt, taxation is mostly theft

[Anonymous No.5781600]

>>5780278
Go to switzerland... I'm here right now on vacation (I'm half Swiss). I don't like how we get taxes, but I can promise you all ifrastructure is better.

You're argument is shit. And I wonder how you can respond so confidently about something you clearly can't know (ie who on this board knows what good infrastructure looks like)

Useless eater, you are

[Anonymous No.5781635]

>>5779817

unironically becoming more and more of an anarchist as time goes on and read threads like this.

[Anonymous No.5781639]

>>5780331
Name one thing gov provides, that private sector does not have an equivalent for. Police and courts are the only things I can think of

[Anonymous No.5781690]

>>5780371
Have you ever been on a toll road? They're always nicer. Do you really believe the opposite?

[Anonymous No.5781701]

>>5781426
You have strafed away from the original topic which was “Taxation is theft” in which I argued it is not. You said “Taxation without representation is theft” which is very different. You just wrote a wall of trying to win an argument that was never made. Congrats

[Anonymous No.5781776]

>>5781192
nope, since there was no contract formed for an exchange.

You decide to pay taxes when you decide to become a citizen of a country, so if you don't want to pay any taxes -> leave the country. You always can renounce your citizenship.

Simple as that.

[Anonymous No.5781788]

>>5781701
In that case, it's really easy then. If something is taken from you without your consent, that's theft. Thanks, come again.

[Anonymous No.5781806]

>>5779817
Then move.
Go to a place without tax and see how that country is functioning.

[Anonymous No.5781814]

>>5780594
This, taxfags, is the logical conclusion of your cuckery. People who seek power aren't looking out for you, this is a simple fact of history. Stop thinking the government wants to help you (they're good at bombing children and fucking over other countries). You think they give a damn about your fat ass?

[Anonymous No.5781852]

>>5781776

None of us in america decided to be BORN in the fucking first place. So just because we were born here = taxes are peachy, stop acting like it's ok to not pay tax? What a weak ass argument. You were born on land that irrationally taxes you, so fucking pay tax or leave.

[Anonymous No.5781899]

>>5779948
Some times it is bad. I just won a phone in a giveaway. Sounds good but I'm going to have to pay taxes on the phone to where it is only worth two thirds of the phone. So I have to sell it if I don't want to lose money. The government takes a cut of everything. It has gotten to a point where prizes have become burdens. Won a company vacation in a random drawing? You have to pay taxes on it even if you never end up going on the trip. You just lost money.

[Anonymous No.5781929]

>Anarcho-Capitalism

[Anonymous No.5781934]

>>5779817
the government doesnt like the mafia because its their competition.
Better way to state this argument whats the difference between the mafia and the government

[Anonymous No.5782038]

>>5781929
>using a retarded /biz/ meme in an actual argument.

Is that a self portrait?

[Anonymous No.5782042]

>>5780671
You are assuming that most everyone on /biz/ is American but at least half are not

[Anonymous No.5782043]

>>5781852
Yes and you where probably born in a hospital payed by taxes, used a roads to travel to the school who where payed by taxes etc.

And again you can leave the country on your own discretion every time and stop paying taxes. Its like someone puts a gun to your head and forces you to live in this country you hate so much.

[Anonymous No.5782087]

>>5780910
But if you do not pay it they will send armed police to your door to arrest you in your own house

[Anonymous No.5782110]

>>5781929

how come every single person arguing to leave a country if you don't like it's tax, sounds just like cucks? every single time. WELL IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT I LET MY GIRLFRIEND FUCK OTHER PEOPLE YOU CAN LEAVE RIGHT NOW BUDDY LOLOL

[Anonymous No.5782149]

>>5781555
>actions have consequences

you mean like being born in the wrong country?
just eat a dick you cunt

[Anonymous No.5782184]

>>5782043
You fucking retard.


I love this country. I'm not fucking leaving. You're literally that character from south park "well you can git out" only then regressive left version.

This is discourse you dumb fuck. Telling someone to leave, is the societal version of saying "shut up". You should feel ashamed of your week ass

[Anonymous No.5782220]

>>5782184
***weak***

[Anonymous No.5782239]

>>5781788
Taxation is legal therefore not theft. If you don’t want to get taxed, leave. Thanks, come again.

[Anonymous No.5782285]

>>5779817
Cops don’t collect taxes dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.5782312]

When the fuck did all these cucks come to this board? I thought crypto was about fighting subjugation. This is sickening.

I bet every taxfag in here only showed up a couple of months ago

[Anonymous No.5782371]

>>5782312
Cont.

I'm literally disgusted by the state of this board. I smell the stench of Reddit refugees

[Anonymous No.5782437]

>Google flat rate countries.
>Look at results.
>It's all mudslime and bongo bonga countries

>makes you think.jpg

Maybe you should consider moving.

[Anonymous No.5782439]

>>5782371

it is absolutely revolting, these redditfags all need to die in their sleep

[Anonymous No.5782476]

>>5782437

>its almost as if the jews only suck dry countries that are worth exploiting

really makes you think anon

[Anonymous No.5782487]

>>5780671
I thought he was posting about America

[Anonymous No.5782566]

>>5782149
You don’t get taxed when you are born. Now that you are 18+ , you can leave. You could of gone your whole life without getting taxed. But if you believe you shouldn’t be taxed, and still want to use our resources, then you should be confined like that barbaric animal you are. You have options. Just because it isn’t pretty doesn’t mean it’s my fault. Go and start your anarchal settlement. Pioneering isn’t supposed to be easy. That’s why none of you anarchist cunts have made anything of yourselves. Only in the state. Thank goodness for our early statist pioneers who had the balls to take action, unlike you. Keep bitching

[Anonymous No.5782574]

>>5782371
>>5782312
Buddy, I've been here before /biz/ was even created.

>crypto was about fighting subjugation.
That's a cute short term thought you have there, edgy teenage antifa.

[Anonymous No.5782657]

>be Murica
>start a war over 3% tea taxes
>39% tax and fees on everything nowadays is totally acceptable

[Anonymous No.5782669]

>>5782476
>It's the JEWS

Yeah probably that. Even though some of those countries have been given aid and some not even touched by first world diplomats.

[Anonymous No.5782781]

>>5782439
I've responded to almost all of their moronic posts. Not one of them can do the same for me.

These are people who operate on "how it makes me feeeel". No thought past what has been shoved down their throats by their Keynesian Econ 101 professor.

TO EACH OF YOU THAT IVE ATTEMPTED TO ENGAGE:

You are the instruments of your own demise. You are happily walking off a cliff while sucking the cock of the men marching you towards said cliff.

There are those who subjugate, and there are those who are willingly subjugated; they are equally detestable.

[Anonymous No.5782783]

>>5782566
>You don’t get taxed when you are born

you dumb nigger my first very purchase I made in life was taxed with 16% VAT. My mom had to wipe my ass the day I was born and she paid VAT on that napkin too.

>You have options

Yes I can leave everything I have behind, my friends, family, culture. Wow what great options. Its like I put you in a cell and you can always commit suicide, so youre not really my prisoner. What are you complaining about. YOU GOT OPTIONS AFTER ALL. Thats a sick, demented and cynical way to look at things you sad fuck.

>muh anarchims

dont lump me in with those faggots you moron. Im a NatSoc by blood and as such Im against taxation of all forms. Now before you go on about "lol muh fascism was taxing people too" I suggest you edumucate yourself by reading pic related. Now go KYS or fuck off back to plebbit you utter fag.

[Anonymous No.5782799]

Im never going to pay 34% taxes FROM A FUCKING CRYPTO
kys all of you who are going to pay

[Anonymous No.5782835]

>>5782574
Are you incapable of reading subtext? I'm clearly a conservative.

>subjugation

If the shoe fits, faggot

[Anonymous No.5782877]

>>5782657
You need to get the Freemasons to join in

[Anonymous No.5782897]

>>5782566

America is FUCKED by default. Old america has been dead for decades now. Too much diversity and schizophrenic ideologies to sustain itself without civil war sooner or later on a bigger scale (already has happened with chimpouts and antifa breakdowns alone). Not only that, but the fact alone you have SO many people that hate the fucking government with a passion (ever heard of Timothy Mcveigh? will happen again), you may as well think beyond this tax argument already. There are a lot of unhappy people here that have been here all their lives that would lynch your ass for being a cockrider for the gov. You think we're dumb for bitching about tax when MOST OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY hates the government!? Tax is ONE issue. Stop pretending America isn't about to implode any day now.

[Anonymous No.5782915]

>>5782783
>Yes I can leave everything I have behind, my friends, family, culture.
That culture is build upon this taxation.
Your prison analogy doesn't work because one choice has the freedom to leave the other doesn't. It's pretty stupid analogy please don't ever try using analogies as examples because you're not good with them.

[Anonymous No.5783027]

>>5780009
>200k a year for every president still alive is roads police and miltary

[Anonymous No.5783044]

>>5782915
Jesus, the failing state of our education.

This country was literally won on the pretext of resisting taxation. This culture literally wouldn't exist if people like Ben Franklin and Washington agreed with your moronicly misguided ideas

[Anonymous No.5783050]

>>5782239
You think that theft can't be legal. How naive.

[Anonymous No.5783065]

>>5781059
this is the same argument I make every single time this conversation comes up. I'll happily pay my taxes if they go to the right places

[Anonymous No.5783118]

>>5782915

>culture only exists because of the gobernment

Yes Da Vinci only painted the Mona Lisa because he was funded by tax money.
Not only are you dumb as shit, youre also a terrible human being and conveniently ignore all arguments you cant counter by repeating the same tired old nonsense over and over.

[Anonymous No.5783151]

>>5783050
These idiots can't understand morality beyond what government tells them.

I'd guess they don't have fathers, and as such, the state is the closest thing they can get to one.

[Anonymous No.5783208]

>>5782897
Out of topic again. I am for the concept of taxation. That doesn’t mean I am blindly patriotic and think everthing is okay. You do not know my opinion of the government or America. You can only assume, which you have been doing. And you are wrong on all fronts.

[Anonymous No.5783253]

I've asked this NUMEROUS times in this thread.

>can any of you cucks point to something government does better than the private sector????

[Anonymous No.5783274]

OP is a faggot a probably a 20 years old who doesn't know how society works

[Anonymous No.5783292]

>>5783253

Here, I'll answer you. NOTHING.

inb4 doctors or something

Now I'm just circlejerking here, time to hunt for more crypto

[Anonymous No.5783311]

>>5783274
That's a real strong argument. I bet you made it all the way through high school and have read over 10 whole books in your life

[Anonymous No.5783326]

>>5783044
>Jesus, the failing state of our education.
>Upon
Meaning till this point, you fucking mongoloid faggot.

[Anonymous No.5783348]

>>5783292
Thank you Sir. Now let's get back to making some fucking money. These peasants have clearly crawled back into the hovels from whence they came

[Anonymous No.5783361]

>>5782835
>Has views of childish "FITE TEH POWER!" anarchy meme
> "I'm clearly a conservative."
>repeats buzzwords
>tippingfedoraintensifies.gif

[Anonymous No.5783406]

>>5781059
so taxation could easily be replaced with optional charity. I agree!

[Anonymous No.5783408]

>>5783326
Lol... so you're argument is:

>he make bad grammar on 4chan board.
>he stupid
>don't write English like I do on my freshman term paper

[Anonymous No.5783539]

>>5779817
bro shut the fuck up and pay your taxes. you don't understand the hell your life will be if you get caught. plus it's not like you're working hard for this money you're sitting on biz all day eating Cheetos and extraction money out of other retarded neets

[Anonymous No.5783545]

>>5783361
Refute my arguments please.

I'm sorry if you don't like the language I use. It doesn't really change my ideas though

[Anonymous No.5783567]

you guys are so fucking stupid you don't understand taxes serve the purpose of enabling a minimum standard and service to everyone
the funny thing is that burgers like you get already cucked by the private in the healthcare and college education while here in europe we can make those things work without ridiculous private costs
stay cucked faggots

[Anonymous No.5783627]

>>5783567
I'm a Swiss and US citizen.

Switzerland has, arguably, the best public health care in Europe.

I'd be damned if me or any my family members ever went to a Swiss hospital when really sick if they could go to a private American one.

Trust me I've seen both. The US, has by far the best private healthcare in the world.

[Anonymous No.5783646]

>>5780371
>wake up
>pay 100 iota for opening eyes
>start driving
>automatically start paying 25 iota for every 100 feet driven.

[Anonymous No.5783752]

>>5783408
>Argue against a point that was created due to misguide from the poster

It wasn't even an argument. I was just fixing on how you viewed the other post from creation instead of iteration all the way till this current year.
Seems like you keep reading things the wrong way. Come back when you're sober.

[Anonymous No.5783802]

>>5783627
what if you don't have the minimum to pay faggot?
you just die there because the best you can afford is the ambulance?
GTFO already with your bullshit
switzerland is 20^ in the ranking and USA only 37, literally the last of the west developed countries
keep dreaming burger

[Anonymous No.5783823]

>>5783752
Ad hominem after ad hominem. Pathetic

Could you please answer the question I've posed maybe 5 or 6 times now.

What does government do better than private sector?

[Anonymous No.5783838]

>>5779817

OP is 100% correct, now fuck off back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.5783897]

>>5782783
Haha 100% faggot. Did a black kid push you in kindergarten and now you hate everyone?

[Anonymous No.5784003]

>>5783802
>switzerland is 20^ in the ranking and USA only 37, literally the last of the west developed countries keep dreaming burger

Thats like education or something you mong. I was talking about healthcare...

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/the-16-countries-with-the-worlds-best-healthcare-systems-2017-1/

As for your concerns about dying people...

You do it like we do it in the states. You make it hospitals duty to stabilize people... And any care beyond that costs money.

I'm not arguing for just letting everyone die, stop putting words in my mouth.

Where are you from by the way?

[Anonymous No.5784035]

>>5784003
I was phone posting before. I'm on laptop now, which is why my ID changed.

[Anonymous No.5784060]

>>5780547
>who is building the road before anyone can use it, and with what money

literally who is making anything before anyone can use it, and with what money

that's solved by loaning, not taxes

[Anonymous No.5784330]

>>5784003
>"that's like education or something"
>posts a random link with the ranking of the best healthcare by country, no murica in sight obviously, just other west countries with socialists view about healthcare

just fuck off to /pol already

[Anonymous No.5784555]

>>5784330
As for America, re-read my post... I said PRIVATE healthcare.

I realize the public healthcare is shit. I'm talking about the private healthcare.

Ive experienced both. And if you can afford the best in the US, it is the best in the world. The way all those rankings work is that they take into account how much you pay (i.e. insurance) for the services you get.

My girlfriend was just in the hospital for a week, she has money, so she was in a nice hospital. Her room was like a hotel room, their was valet at the entrance for your car, and the doctors were the best in the world.

Meanwhile, my sister in London had to go to the hospital for something about her bladder recently and it was like being processed for jail.

Also, I'm not a /pol/tard. I come here /k/ and /x/. Shit on me for those if you like, but my politics dont come from 4chan.

[Anonymous No.5784561]

>>5780009
Just take your shots and die of cancer already.

[Anonymous No.5784754]

>>5780457
>Social contract
Slavery

[Anonymous No.5784838]

>>5782657
Most people's ancestors came after the Revolutionary war. They came to get rich but when they found out they were too stupid to get rich, they pushed for higher taxes

[Anonymous No.5784901]

>>5783823
>ad hominem
how often do you hang out in reddit?
This is a place of ad hominem culture, live with it, faggot.

>What does government do better than private sector?
Private sector doesn't work in a grand scale in a functioning society. Look at 1st world countries and look at 3rd world countries with small/broken government.
There is a reason why all the first world countries are well governed and 3rd world countries are not and have private sectors (drug lords, arms dealers, slave owners) ruling over the people.

Regulation have work. Iteration have worked.
Taxes have work.

Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.5784955]

>>5779817
The ratio of people who understand this now vs all the 'muh roads' drones gives me high hopes for the future. All those government workers shilling the tax-justification nonsense must be aging out or dying now. /me happy

[Anonymous No.5784970]

>>5784555
>>5784555
holy shit. why tf do i even bother. it's FUCKING OBVIOUS you get a better service if you pay x100 the amount you would pay with the public healthcare and the point of healthcare is getting your ass cancer removed not fucking having a nice room or not waiting 30 mins in line.
Every kind of treatment should be accessible to everyone related on their income and that's how it fucking works in europe. if you stress so much about a fucking room then you deserve to pay 1k to get your ass delivered in your fancy private hospital room

Also that's the one you were looking for
http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

[Anonymous No.5784975]

> theft
Doesn't create the need for money or markets.
> taxation
Creates the need for money and makes citizens work. Govmt can use tax policies to stimulate or even create markets it considers more important.

[Anonymous No.5785024]

>>5784901
>This is a place of ad hominem culture, live with it, faggot.

And this isnt normally a place for serious conversations like this. Learn how how delineate between memes and reality, you autist.

Government, doesnt seem to work at all. Jesus.

You really cant show me one thing gov does better, can you?

What is it like having such intense cognitive dissonance?

>Now fuck off.

The death rattle of a losing argument.

[Anonymous No.5785077]

>>5784970
>t's FUCKING OBVIOUS you get a better service if you pay x100 the amount you would pay

Reading comprehension, Sven, use it.

WE HAVE INSURANCE! It doesnt actually cost us 100x.

And what youre arguing for, is that because YOU cant afford it, no one should.

Thats selfish and shitty.

[Anonymous No.5785148]

>>5781161
We have a lot of niggers to feed. The most in the 1st world. Geez

[Anonymous No.5785168]

>>5785024
>looking at something that the government does better than the private
>in murica

why don't you compare your private college education with the german one?

[Anonymous No.5785194]

>>5784901
>There is a reason why all the first world countries are well governed and 3rd world countries are not and have private sectors (drug lords, arms dealers, slave owners) ruling over the people.

Also, this is retarded.

Yes, there is a point where businesses can become to powerful. Its stuff like that that we have the second amendment you cuck.

Btw, I just guessed where your from, UK.

If not that, LA, NY, SF, or any of the other crime ridden "liberal" cities in the us. Am i right?

[Anonymous No.5785277]

>>5785168
lol, do you think any german schools are better than Harvard, MIT, Stanford, or Yale?

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/world-university-rankings/top-universities-world-2018

There you have it, Sven.

[Anonymous No.5785298]

>>5785168
This is a bad example because US universities are ranked the best in the world and German universities... well... arent

[Anonymous No.5785315]

>>5785168
Also, I don't know why you keep bringing up education, Ive never said anything about the matter.

But, yes, we still have the best brains in US.

[Anonymous No.5785346]

>>5785077
i was exagerating but the point remains. you still pay a range from 4k to 14k for you fancy insurance while i pay less than 300 euros where i live
no wonder your country repelled net neutrality
stay cucked

[Anonymous No.5785371]

>>5785168
>>5785277
>>5785315
You should stop believing everything the media in your country tells you and do some actual learning. The US is fucked up for a lot of reasons, but it is still a wonderful country.

AGAIN thats coming from a swiss national (a much nicer country than germany).

[Anonymous No.5785456]

>>5785346
>i was exagerating but the point remains.

Backstepping

>you still pay a range from 4k to 14k for you fancy insurance while i pay less than 300 euros where i live

Almost no one pays 14k, thats a myth. And I'd still pay the 5k I pay a year to get better healthcare than your shitty healthcare.

>no wonder your country repelled net neutrality

Wtf does this have do with anything we're talking about?

[Anonymous No.5785569]

>>5785148
I don't use the word, this guy used.

But we do have massive amounts welfare and poor uneducated people to fix in our country.

If you remove that factor, we rape smelly europeans in every regard.

[Anonymous No.5785620]

>>5779948
Come to Brazil(to work and try to make a living) and then you tell me if it isn't bad. You first world people know nothing about how bad taxes are.

[Anonymous No.5785686]

>>5785620
Its funny how only people from prosperous countries are ever happy to be taxed.

They're too comfy. They have no idea whats coming.

[Anonymous No.5785699]

>>5785456
>shitty healthcare
i'm from germany and we are ranked better than USA for a reason and i pay less than 300 euros
enjoy getting cucked by the private

[Anonymous No.5785761]

>>5782799
Why not just hypothetically open a company account in Hong Kong. Open a bank account with HSBC and use a debit card for the rest of your life. 10k a day limit. Of course if you are a burger then yur government will find out and anal fuck you with out the lube. Or just go beitish virgin islands and buy a shelf company and move all your assets to one of their banks. I dont know why anyone would pay tax when the rich elite dont. The whole point of having loads of money is that it makes it easier NOT harder to pay tax. Topkek

[Anonymous No.5785831]

>>5785699
YOUR PUBLIC HEALTHCARE IS RATE BETTER.

THE BEST DOCTORS ARE IN THE US DUMB DUMB.

Our private healthcare is miles better than yours. Where do you think all of the medical advances come from?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/03/23/the-most-innovative-countries-in-biology-and-medicine/#614ba5ff1a71

Do you think we just do all that science and then don't practice it?

Fuck this is like arguing with a 12 year old.

[Anonymous No.5785835]

>>5785456
My fiance is covered by her family universal healthcare and thats just shy of 20k a year and she is USA. In the process of getting her out of your dogshit 2nd world shithole. Cant even look after your fucking veterans. What a joke

[Anonymous No.5785907]

>>5784901
United States, individual countries who make their own rules but governed under a federation. They have drug dealers ( big pharma companies) arms dealers (nra and gunshop owners) slave owners ( walmart and large corporations)

Yep you guys are doing so well lol

[Anonymous No.5785937]

>>5785835
>My fiance is covered by her family universal healthcare and thats just shy of 20k a year and she is USA

That sucks. Sounds like obamacare doesnt work so well, does it?

> Cant even look after your fucking veterans.

I agree. Im disgusted by this. As I said before, we have a lot of problems caused by an evil government who has sent too many young men to stupid wars. I'm trying my best to argue for better treatment of people like that.

But, the country itself still has much promise.

[Anonymous No.5785966]

Why would you pay taxes to such a corrupt and broken system, millions of dollars down the drain just for Trump's pleasure.

Fuck that shit.

[Anonymous No.5785990]

>>5785907
>arms dealers (nra and gunshop owners)

I agree with everything else you say. Guns aren't inherently evil. If you take away the guns, our government will enslave the people. There's a reason theyre pushing for the removal of weapons

[Anonymous No.5786037]

>>5785966
Checked.

[Anonymous No.5786088]

>>5785937
Universal healthcare only works if everyone does it. North Americans are too short sighted and greedy to understand this. However the billions spent by the private sector to convince you it doesnt kind of took the decision out of your hands.

It has so much promise. I was over in LA about to apply for a visa this year but couldnt justify it due to how poorly the country is run.

If you want to see what a good economic model looks like then Denmark or Switzerland seem to be on the mark. Even Sweden if you disregard the poo in the loo situation they have on their hands.

[Anonymous No.5786211]

>>5785990
I 100% agree. They should be regualted for specific use. If you are a dumbass that didnt finish high school. No automatic/semi auto assault rifle for you. If you dont pass a nationwide safety check.. no gun for you. If you are not active at a gun owners club (participate in at least 4 competitions a year) and pass mental health checks and police checks.. no gun for you. Its that fucking simple

[Anonymous No.5786246]

>>5786088
Read the thread, retard. I'm half swiss. I'm literally writing this from Gstaad.

All i've argued is that US PRIVATE healthcare is better. I can afford it, so I'd like to be able to keep my private healthcare. If you socialize everything that goes away.

Anyway, read the thread, its more complex than "Universalize everything!"

You don't have millions of illegals who hop the border and aren't held accountable for the medical care they dip out of. Thats just one issue with it.

Stop comparing countries of a few million to one of the largest in the world.

[Anonymous No.5786248]

>>5785831
>THE BEST DOCTORS ARE IN THE US DUMB DUMB.
Too bad none of them accept fake internet money as payment, then you might have a chance at getting treated by them.

[Anonymous No.5786365]

>>5786246
My Econ professor said that the universal healthcare system in Britain is retarded. He compared it to like people going to an car dealership and being able to take all the cars they want.

[Anonymous No.5786405]

>>5786211
No, you are a cuck.

Swimming pools kill more people than ALL rifles (regardless of semi auto or not).

And almost no one in the us is allowed to have full auto.

If you're going to argue about the laws of other peoples countries, learn them first.

[Anonymous No.5786479]

>>5786246
So if they are illegal then how are they in possession of a medicare card that proves they pay their taxes to access the universal healthcare? Oh right they dont. You are a republitard arent you?

[Anonymous No.5786706]

>>5786479
Wtf are you even talking about?

You didn't understand my post. I'll spell it out for you.

In the US, we have a law that says that anyone who comes to a hospital must receive care. If they can't pay, it becomes debt.

Well, guess what, lots of people in our country don't care about debt. So they treat our hospitals like free health care.

THAT is why you see so many poor people in ERs all the time in the US.

Whats worse, if you're illegal, you don't even have an address to be attributed to. Wtf do we do about them?

>So if they are illegal then how are they in possession of a medicare card that proves they pay their taxes

Are you doubting that illegal people exist?

[Anonymous No.5786857]

>>5780587
No cucks have a fetish they enjoy the humiliation just like you seem to

[Anonymous No.5786917]

>>5781776
Most people don't decide to become the citizen of any country, you social contract faggot. Fuck you and your imaginary made up contracts.

Simple as that, dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.5787005]

>>5786917
I've scared them all off.

They're all intellectual and LITERAL cowards.

Don't expect a response.

[Anonymous No.5787114]

>>5780587
No the cuck enjoys and accepts being humiliated. He's much more like you, you stupid fuck.

[Anonymous No.5787136]

>>5785346
>you still pay a range from 4k to 14k for you fancy insurance while i pay less than 300 euros where i live


I wonder how much of yours or some rich persons income goes to that subpar healthcare?

[Anonymous No.5787257]

>>5787114
Its mind blowing, how stupid these people are, isn't it?

The elite call them useless eaters. They'll one day happily accept being genocided.

>I didnt need my life.
>Someone else will be much happier with me out of the way
>The total happiness in the world has increased\
>Therefore, Im glad I'm a slave/in a FEMA camp

[Anonymous No.5787346]

You guys are making the wrong arguments. Taxation is fuckery, true but we need to be taxed at least a little bit. I think 2% is fair, that is LOADS of money if everyone gets taxed 2% and richer ppl get taxed 3%.

Right now, taxes are outrageous. Also ... if you get taxed beat the system. Get something back faggots, i'm on food stamps. I get all this yummy food from high end grocery stores for free basically. And i refuse to get off it, until they kick me off.

ALso when i go to school i get financial aid, more free money basically if i do good. Will not get off that either until i can no longer get it. If you have a problem go be a cuck and pay more taxes faggot

[Anonymous No.5787466]

>>5787346
This guy gets it.

Government is necessary. Anything beyond 10% MAX is butt fuckery by a mafia.

You can achieve so much with small taxes. Stop advocating your own cuckery...

[Anonymous No.5787494]

>>5780356
>modern comforts that exist thanks to taxes
Efficiency and capitalism created modern comforts, you fucking state lover.
Just ask any cuban or ukrainian if your government is capable of creating anything other than hunger.

[Anonymous No.5787557]

>>5787466
yea, anyone who thinks we should have 0 taxes is a moron lmao. They can go live in a shit hole, we get some services for our taxes. But most of it goes to shit-

[Anonymous No.5787564]

>>5780457
"social contract"is the modern word for "Slavery"

[Anonymous No.5787605]

>>5787494
>>5787346
>>5787114
>>5786365

The americans have woken up. Thank god. I've been arguing with these weak europeans for hours by myself.

The avg american is dumb and brain washed. The non-retard ones are FAR smarter and stronger than you fags!

[Anonymous No.5787655]

>>5787557
Agreed. There is always an extreme, but to add to that, the way Washington and his dudes set it up was best.

Classical liberalism ftw

[Anonymous No.5787707]

>>5780126
oh hi there burger

[Anonymous No.5787880]

>>5782915
taxes can't build culture, you libcuck. People build culture.
At best, taxes can pay for cultural stuff that nobody wants to pay for nor watch/listen, so it's basically waste of money.

[Anonymous No.5787945]

>>5780594
Because your government is terrible at its job doesn't make the concept wrong.

[Anonymous No.5787967]

>>5781059
Why not make taxes an optional flat rate? If you don't pay road tax you can't get a license. If you don't pay police tax the police won't help you. If you don't pay social security you won't get social security when you're old.

[Anonymous No.5787987]

>>5783326
Shitty leftist can't refute his argument, so he uses ad hominem and criticize his grammar. Like playing chess with a pidgeon

[Anonymous No.5788085]

>>5783752
Still trying to mislead the discussion.
Die poor you fucking sun clapper

[Anonymous No.5788132]

>>5782783
>Im a NatSoc by blood
lmao, kill yourself you low iq beta male larper

[Anonymous No.5788415]

>>5781639
Police can be easily substituted by a more efficient private entity. With courts it would be more difficult, but where there's a will there's a way.

[Anonymous No.5788422]

>>5784901
All 3rd world shitholes, like the one I live in, have gigantic government. And it has a lot of everything that you said is good(high taxes and regulation).

[Anonymous No.5788428]

>>5787987
>>5788085
Notice how I keep asking them to point to something that the government does better and they continuously dodge the question.

Its like a pathology. I suspect their brains aren't even capable of registering the question because it makes them so uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.5788490]

>>5788415
I agree, but for the sake of the argument, I wanted to make things a bit easier for the morons to understand.

The idea of a non-state police force might make their heads explode.

[Anonymous No.5788506]

>>5785168
Still can't name one thing that the government does better than the private, hu?

[Anonymous No.5788645]

>>5780278

Oh I'm sorry. Did I burst your perfect little bubble?

> In terms of overall infrastructure, the U.S. ranks 25th, behind nations such as Oman and Barbados, and only one spot ahead of Qatar.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-infrastructure-behind-developed-world-2013-1

> On the last two report cards from the American Society of Civil Engineers, U.S. infrastructure scored a D+.

https://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/measuring-up-us-infrastructure-against-other-countries_partner/

I guess that answers your stupid question on "HOW YA KNOW DEM EXPECTATIONS OF DEM ROADS!?".

Plus I'm a daily driver - slut.

> how can people this ignorant give their opinions so confidently?

Unlike you, my opinions are based on facts.

[Anonymous No.5788684]

>>5788506
Murdering people

[Anonymous No.5788690]

>>5780371

> less traffic
> less accidents
> less stress

Actually I would. It would be only the rich that'd be able to drive. Please. For the love of science - MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!

Oh. Wait. It already is happening.

[Anonymous No.5788699]

>>5779817
see kid, with a thief, he will rob you for some crack and if you're lucky, let you live, whereas the gubment will just take a few bills out to pay to fix that bridge you need to cross over to get to grandmas house so you can mow her lawn.

[Anonymous No.5788762]

>>5780671

> bugers, on the other hand, not so much

Mmmkay. Tell me about my awesome health care, stagnant wages, and opioid crisis.

I'd love to know how Americans in the last 50 years have prevailed.

[Anonymous No.5788779]

>>5788699
stfu cuck, we don't agree to it. end of story
If they got taxes from ppl that agree to it , it would be fine. And there will always be good cucks like you that agree to it. I will agree to 2%, then tell them to fuck off

[Anonymous No.5788800]

>>5787707

Help me.

[Anonymous No.5788805]

>>5788699
>Implying the gubment isn't taking half my money and giving it to Tyrone and his kids while the bridges remain fucking terrible and the roads are shit.

[Anonymous No.5788875]

>>5788699

> implying the gubment doesn't threaten jail time for dem court fees
> implying the gubment doesn't threaten jail time for dat tax evasion
> implying the gubment doesn't put a gun to your head

This place is for 13+. kthxbi.

[Anonymous No.5789235]

>>5783065
That's a weak argument. Stop using it I advise, because you are unknowingly conceding to your opposition. Only by arguing on the basis of absolute principles can you win against these despicable individuals. Theft is a theft no matter what the thief does with the money.

[Anonymous No.5789447]

>Get rid of tax and privatize everything
>Bosses of every single private company would end up charging more for services you use everyday than you would have paid on tax

[Anonymous No.5790237]

>>5789447
>>Bosses of every single private company would end up charging more for services you use everyday than you would have paid on tax
I would stop using said services you moron. Do you really need someone to explain to you basic mechanics of a free market?

[Anonymous No.5790368]

>>5790237
>Stop using multiple roads because they charge too much
>End up putting 2 extra hours on your trip and pay the difference in gas
>"hehe what r u a le moron?"

Fuck off dickhead. Privatizing roads out of all things is an awful fucking idea.

[Anonymous No.5790590]

>>5790368
>he doesn't understand that the goal of a private business is price optimization
>he likely doesn't even know what is price optimization

[Anonymous No.5790610]

>>5790368
>what r u a le moron
you have to go back you libshit fucking faggot