/XMR/ Monero General

[Anonymous No.58046935]

Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!

Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- In other words, the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with transactions being visible only by a user willingly providing a view key.

Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of current popular cryptocurrencies. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of transactions increases. Further, the mining network algorithm RandomX establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier to entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.

XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE Monero: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org

WHERE TO GET MONERO?

>KYC:
Kraken
Bitfinex

>Non KYC:
LocalMonero
Morphtoken
Bisq
Tradeogre
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me

>Mining
archive.is/TWOah

HOW TO STORE MONERO?

>Desktop
Official Gui/Cli
Feather

>Mobile
IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

[Anonymous No.58046956]

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>57992851

[Anonymous No.58046963]

The Blockchain is under attack! Do something you faggots!!!!!!!!
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[Anonymous No.58046973]

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

[Anonymous No.58046982]

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

[Anonymous No.58046989]

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Monero-only bullion shop
https://monerometals.com/

>Buy on Amazon with XMR!
https://monezon.com
https://peershop.app

>Win XMR!
https://monero.vegas/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Gramazon #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Whales Market #
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/ivG7HN52


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development?
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

[LebAnon !!2ce/22LTWFi No.58046995]

god bless motherfucking freedom bros

[Anonymous No.58046999]

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

[Anonymous No.58047004]

>>58046935
evening lads

[Anonymous No.58047007]

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

[Anonymous No.58047731]

anybody participating in the serai testnet?

[Anonymous No.58047811]

this board is a cesspool, the only good threads are the xmr general, metals general, the threads I make, and then once in a while someone will make a decent thread about current news or macroeconomics

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.58047857]

Reporting in
##################################
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

[Anonymous No.58048013]

>>58047811
About metals, how do I get into it?

[Anonymous No.58048016]

So what's the verdict on how well the.network is dealing with this tx spike? As expected or could things be better?

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.58048050]

>>58048013
trade muny 4 metal.
simple

[Anonymous No.58048077]

>>58048016
Nothing broke. Retards don't know how to bid transactions and wallets aren't smart enough to help them, but that's not a Monero-specific issue.

[Anonymous No.58048662]

I had to use venmo at a bar tonight and I feel icky. Moneropub when?

[Anonymous No.58048965]

>>58048013
Keep premiums as low as possible. You shouldn't pay much over 1% in or out. Know where price is adjusted for inflation.

[Anonymous No.58049068]

100% love this monero project. Monero beats bitcoin in technical features by far. There’s some issues though right now when it comes to BTC vs. XMR. Has more to do with attention and adoption. Take a look at the hash rate of XMR right now. It’s about 2.13 GH/s. It’s lost almost a whole GH/s in the last year! As pioneers in this new frontier in finance… I’m going to make the bold statement to you all that the hash rate is probably one of the most key fundamentals in wether or not this crypto is good and working. And I hate to be a moon fag, but it’s extremely relative to the price of the crypto particularly with PoW. Price is important? Yes and no… for us in monero, we just want to be untracable. Even if it’s 0.5 USD/token it works for us! But the price is a reflection of attention, use, interest. Still for us hash rate I think is extremely important. We GOT to have more of it if monero is going to survive. Naturally… hash rate increase is going to = mooning at some point once again I hate to be the moonfag but this is indicative of strength and virility of the coin. More hash=more attention, more confident miners, more people literally dedicating ozone destroying fuel and energy to it to make it all happen! Why is the hash rate down? You know what miners are in this project STILL to this day? NOT PROFITABLE! Just giving life to the project out of the goodness of their hearts. Their mine coins though.. COULD someday be profitable.. but it’s going to have to get price pumps from more attention and miners confident in mining it. Tough when few people care about privacy I guess. Most of the energy comes from botnets and malware right? (Cont)

[Anonymous No.58049126]

>>58049068
Now look here at the hash rate, of the tracable pseudonymous BTC… 638 EH/s. Bitcoin is a literally juggernaught of hash rate. Miners are going fucking insane. Think about how much fuel and energy and pollution of the environment this all is as well as ATTENTION from people willing to give this project their blood, sweat, and tears to. This is insane.. I mean to hell with the environment I’m not some hippy environmentalist PoW is best which BTC is and PoS projects=piece of shit. The hash rate is growing exponentially! Like it’s about to hit some sort of hash singularity or something. People are aggressively pumping more and more electricity and computer technology to this shit like expensive fucking hardware and all. And for what? A transparent blockchain. Kind of sucks to think that the people won’t dedicate this energy to monero, the TRUE crypto currency. Here’s the problem. People don’t give a FUCK! About paying taxes, or being traced. They just want the scarcity the currency provides AND the backing of all this energy and technology to make a “digital gold”. Personally… I believe private money like monero is good for using first and foremost. Convert your dollars to monero so you can buy drugs online without nosy fucking banks and government being able to trace you and be a pain in the fucking ass. As a general rule that’s all monero users care about. They don’t want to buy and hold or invest or anything they just want their money to be transported without that bullshit. Thus not much of the energy bitcoin gets is coming to monero… right now! I put a lot of money into bitcoin. Why not? Let it moon. If I got to buy drugs I send the BTC to someone on local monero and get monero so I can buy some pot online. Done.. this is juuuusst enough to keep monero alive. Maybe it never needs to have much hash rate commitment or price as this small use case is not common. Very few money transactions require the insane level of privacy.

[Anonymous No.58049174]

>>58049068
>>58049126
So long story short my fellow monero chan lovers. How much do we need to feed monero chan to keep her alive, well, thriving, happy, and beautiful? Does it ever need to have the hash rate bitcoin has? Will something happen in the near future that will cause it’s hash rate to start rising exponentially? What could that be? I guess the difficulty of mining keeps increasing as time goes on. Aren’t we going to need to recruit more miners somehow? Nobody pays attention to monero hardly. Bitcoin gets advertised and pushed everywhere. It doesn’t get de-listed from exchanges where all the normies can discover it. Because it’s very very easy to trace and governments like this because most normies will pay their taxes on it and all the income they make trading it back and forth to others for profit. Once again. I’m mainly concerned with this: hash rate and miners. Whose going to keep monero alive? Just more botnets and malware? It’s going to need discovery somehow to survive I believe.

[Anonymous No.58049247]

>i didn't understand the bitcoin whitepaper
>in 3 paragraph essay

[Anonymous No.58049262]

>>58049247
He also manages to not understand the difference between SHA256 and RandomX while comparing hash rates which suggests he's either so dumb he sometimes forgets to breathe or he's pretending to be retarded to stop people from pointing out the long term weaknesses of BTC.

[Anonymous No.58049354]

>>58049247
>>58049262
Ah cocky little fucks with all the answers are we? I’m worried about hash you fucking nerds HASH! Are we going to have enough HASH ago keep this shit alive! We’re like cave men around the first discovery of fire some of us have different IQ, brain power, perspective, and understanding of the system. I’m trying to figure out were is the kindle going to come from for continuing our little fire? Is monero profitable for miners? Why is the hash rate starting to nose dive? You sure the systems not potentially needing more fuel in hash rate?

[Anonymous No.58049374]

ok yeah he's just a moron

[Anonymous No.58049414]

>>58049374
K so maybe I don’t understand it properly ya mouth breather. You can fill me in or stay on your high horse.
No, I don’t know how to code or any of that fancy mouth breather shit. But I can see graphs of hash. Hash=power.

[Anonymous No.58049420]

>>58049414
Do you know what hash means? Do you know what those lines are measuring? Do you understand what an algorithm is?

[Anonymous No.58049463]

>>58048016
not too well. people like >>58048077 will tell you that everything is fine but the mere fact that you have to twinkle with stuff that you didn't need before and suddenly we are playing the same btc game of the highest bidders are the ones that get their txs written in the next block, are proof enough that everything is not ok.
People in here forgot what made monero great and it was its capability to take criticism, accept its flaws and grow from there. now its mostly a bunch a cultist that will go into a rage over the most minimal criticism and call you a maxipad fat troll over anything.
this whole situation is just pathetic.
they came up with the binance delisting theory to try to explain the sudden raise in txs but it doesn't make much sense and instantly discarded other theories probably because they made them uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.58049469]

>>58049420
To me. Tons of burnt energy. Tons of more hardware committed. More and more people firing up rigs to make that hash. That’s all I care about. Not a code junkie. I just lift mostly and watch my crypto investments rise and fall. As for monero? Shits great for getting me more ganj.

[Anonymous No.58049686]

i hate the antimonero

[Anonymous No.58049742]

>>58049686
Hehehehe

[Anonymous No.58049858]

What do you guys think about AI crypto tokens? Is it all shit? Only interested in the opinions of XMR chads.

[Anonymous No.58050142]

>>58049858
It's all a scam. If you want gains stick with BTC and maybe ETH and doge.

[Anonymous No.58050165]

>>58049858
They all fácil, imagine if we could invest in Somalia pirates with monero or something like that it would be so based

[Anonymous No.58050172]

>>58049463
nobody came up with anything, the network has been spammed before probably by feds, we're still here, nothing changed, they'll get tired or bored, and life will continue on

[Anonymous No.58050175]

>>58050165
I'm ready to invest in hamas or the houthis, they seem to be getting shit done

[Anonymous No.58050451]

EYES ON THE PRIZE

> SERAPHIS
> JAMTIS
> FULL MEMBERSHIP PROOFS

MONERO IS THE FINAL SOLUTION TO THE TAXMAN QUESTION.

[Anonymous No.58050458]

For the Captain!

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4) Sneed & feed the captain's radio Finest Sounds From The Underground!

[Anonymous No.58050491]

>>58049414
I share your concern about the hashpower in the monero network. It sounds low, and it should be higher and more *persistent*, not just a band of hobbyists on their home computers and the malwares on others' computers.

Monero should have mining infrastructure feeding off of the renewable energy installments of small, individualistic power plants.

There was a cool bitmain (I know, they are the evil guys) XMR miner, and no, it wasn't an ASIC. It was RISC-V CPUs packaged tightly in a metallic box, plug and mine.

We should have other manufacturers of such mining machines for XMR. Only dedicated, ready-to-mine, machines cause a persistent increase in the hashpower of a PoW network.

[Anonymous No.58050839]

why does monero suck this much ass?
everything (even the worst shitcoins) is going up with inflation and following bitcoin responding to liquidity except for this one crap.

[Anonymous No.58050926]

[Anonymous No.58050944]

>>58050839
You can buy WoW if you are moonboy.

[Anonymous No.58050951]

>>58050944
no it's more like if your shit is outperformed by gold that never keeps up with real inflation, ten your shit sucks.

if you want to lose to the money printer might as well just use fiat!

[Anonymous No.58051143]

>>58050951
Sorry, I better use my comfy Monero. Monero 'stas la plej bona mono.

[Anonymous No.58051263]

>>58050951
>entire market is overbought except one asset

>fud the oversold asset and shill for overbought assets

I love XMR general. If there's no inflation bug, XMR is about to spring. I don't know how high it can spring because it's XMR, but look at the market. What else would you buy right now? Doge?

[Anonymous No.58051581]

>>58049354
Here's the spoon: Hash =/= Hash, it depends on the algorithm. Monero has changed to ever more restrictive ones precisely when hashrate increased because it was a sign ASICS were introduced and centralizing the chain. You are comparing apples with oranges
>Is monero profitable for miners?
No, you get around twice the payday with ZEPH last few weeks if we are talking mining only and assume trading in the same day. Many miners are also speculating on future developments though, because the ROI on mining is terrible in general if you aren't either motivated by an ideal or speculating.

[Anonymous No.58051622]

>>58051143
nothing comfy about losing purchasing power.

[Anonymous No.58051631]

>>58051263
i had this theory as well, but it just keeps on not happening.

[Anonymous No.58051753]

>>58051631
well sell your last coins so we can pump, stop holding my bags back with your negative emotions and karmic debt

[Anonymous No.58051788]

Man it's good having the coin that's actually useful regardless of whether it goes up or down

The fact is goes up is just a bonus

Moneroyalty I have been wondering lately whether I should try setting up a Monero club in my city? Biggest fear is that it might attract a kidnapper. But having in person monero pals would be very.... powerful

[Anonymous No.58051837]

>>58047007
Lol, cringe

[Anonymous No.58051945]

baggot cope general

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.58052112]

>>58051945
(You)

[Anonymous No.58052450]

Need more agorist monerochans.

[Anonymous No.58052473]

>>58052450
>without the bullshit
As in, avoids the kind of discussion that devolves and political line of reasoning into bullshit but is the only way to communicate and harmonize ideas beyond the seed population of 'believers'?

[¥ ¥ VEIL PROJECT No.58052562]

>>58046963
keep me posted
>>58050451
most correct sir
>>58051263
textbook price suppression and constant fud means they’re accumulating, same happened with btc and eth, the privacy space is a fundamental conviction play
>>58051753
>karmic debt
the world really is stranger than most moonboi bizfags can fathom or admit

[Anonymous No.58053082]

>>58052450
>Need more agorist monerochans.

Agreed.

[Anonymous No.58053808]

>>58052473
Nope, not at all. The bullshit runs deep: both distrust politicians (so far so good), but differ in their stance towards corporations and "capitalists" (not so capitalism traditionally understood). Many ancaps still trust them, while the agorists don't. Ancaps believe in reformism, evidenced by their overwhelming support for rancid institutional politicians like Javier Milei, while agorists are anti-reformist and reject "temporary alliances" with state leeches to achieve freedom.

Agorists are more individualistic, believing that freedom is achieved by oneself through counterculture and countereconomic measures, not by waiting for reforms or the empathy of politicians. We despite privileges selectively given by politicians and propose a peaceful "slow boiling" revolution, from below and outside the system, through the massification of black markets and counter-economic practices, using violence only in self-defense when the NAP is violated. Many also reject reactionism, since violent revolution would only legitimize a violent counter-response by State actors with greater military power. If a model can be instated by force, it can be taken out by force, but if counter-economics, like the counter-culture today, becomes part of the DNA of society, it will be very difficult to take it out, and that's where civilization seems to be evolving. (google the size of black markets)

[Anonymous No.58053839]

>>58053808
>cont
Agorists believe in the true free market: the black market. They distrust both politicians and "capitalists," who continually collude with each other. Politicians demand bribes and capitalists demand regulations to crush competition, operating in an immoral lobbyist black market in which private property and the NAP are violated (the agorist theoretical framework distinguishes between moral and immoral markets: basically markets in which private property is respected and markets in which it is not). Let's face it, modern capitalists are much more fond of taking the shortcuts that their political friends provide them with, than of competing honestly, and this has always been the case, probably as long as the State has existed. Those who concentrate economic and political power love to work together.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdrBeBwHenk

In short:
>ancaps <3 Bitcoin, KYC and compliance (bend over).
>agorists <3 Monero, non-KYC and non-compliance (not bending over).

Finally, I believe that agorists and ancaps shouldn't be enemies, but simply sit down to have an intellectual discussion about whether it's right to trust certain political and/or economic elites because they show themselves as being on our side by le hecking based posting anti-system memes on twitter. Just saying...

[Anonymous No.58053918]

>>58053808
>>58053839
this ideology sounds like a meme (because let's face it, most right-lib ideologies are memes)
>t. lolbert who <3 Monero, non-KYC and non-compliance

[Anonymous No.58053968]

>>58053839
I am gonna honor your effort by not quipping more than necessary. Whatever you may think about temporary alliances, I definitely see that the direction you want to move in is favorable no matter the ideological endgame.
However I fail to understand how you can identify
>Those who concentrate economic and political power love to work together.
yet not conclude that that's no preventable. Any below-center movement fails to see that a vacuum will always be filled, and though we have been developing more tools to prevent that it's nowhere near enough.
People who opt out of powergames are leaving that game to someone else - and that's only viable when 'someone else' has a reason to let you play your games/follow your ideological beliefs in peace.
The black market thing is fine - the bullshit starts when you try to extrapolate an enveloping worldview out of that alone, which is what I alluded to.
That said, it's a very interesting grain of ideological sand in it's core issue and I'll read into it, I believe you name-dropped a relevant American philosopher at some point and he's on my reading list.

[Anonymous No.58053992]

>>58053839
>>ancaps <3 Bitcoin, KYC and compliance (bend over).
You are just perpetuating the belief that left-libertarians are retards (you clearly are one), god what a stupid series of posts you made.

[Anonymous No.58053996]

>>58053918
>right-lib
That's just your brain in american.

[Anonymous No.58054005]

>>58053996
>american
пoшёл нaхyй

[Anonymous No.58054011]

>>58053992
>>58053996
And again...

[Anonymous No.58054027]

>>58054005
american political mindset is not a nationality.

[Anonymous No.58054080]

>>58054027
I can sperg about Russian left-libs' love of Ukraine, but I don't want to derail the thread into /int/ernational /pol/itics

[Anonymous No.58054126]

>>58053808
The key point here is radical freedom. Agorism allows you that, like right now. Just take part in the black market, it's free real state nigga.
While the ancaps bite the dust waiting for the next captain ancap to show up and save their shit.
I'm just describing them not philosophically but by what I see they show up themselves to be. Politicians and corpo dick suckers, basically.

[Anonymous No.58054191]

>>58054080
I"m argentinian, generally speaking, in the Spanish speaking world "liberal" means quite the oposite than that of the anglo world. But enough of /pol/ derailment.

[Anonymous No.58054195]

>>58054126
>just do crime and hope the system changes once everyone is doing crime!
This isn't a winning strategy unless you're already living within a severely weakened State.

[Anonymous No.58054307]

>>58054195
Buying eggs for XMR is not a crime.

[Anonymous No.58054362]

>>58052450
>ID: JeWxd

[Anonymous No.58054427]

>>58054195
>black market = crime
Sir, ur either tarded, very uninformed or didn't understand what I meant by "the agorist theoretical framework distinguishes between moral and immoral markets" in a previous post.
Taking part in the black market, as understood by agorists, is not a crime... unless you think a victimless "crime", like evading taxes, using monero, printing guns, or taking drugs, is a crime, rendering you absolutelly retarded, totally unaware of where you're at, and not worth of further discussion. the criminal markets are the red and pink ones according to the agorist classification of markets.
Get your facts straight.

[Anonymous No.58054441]

Agora from the greek meaning the market, every old civilization had a place for a market and under the right conditions these places were the hearth of the world, they normally hire external security, ilive in a third world country but we are not gentrified and walking in an agora is the closest thing to extasis, i got lost because the place was too big and unlike a mall which is a fake plastic experience the power of the agora is infinite, imagine del a moment we constructed a new babel tower with graphine and tall as it can be, the experience you would feel is like what frank herbert intended in dune or when playing fortnite, our monero utopia is a city where the symbolism is all monerochan and the whiz Khalifa is an agora, we would only accept monero and heck we could sell so many things like monerochans sexbots, monerochan helping bots, etc

83zmceyLGoEfe9WRSm8nXMMGGswGj2guZ2nHyC4bJ9Mh3jCSTKHe93nRABkNAPVgdVRKgNDWoiQaCbE4MeNhFNW12KGoHFh
Donate me if you want a longer dissertation of a monero utopia

[Anonymous No.58054475]

I love getting this email.

[Anonymous No.58054522]

>>58054427
>unless you think a victimless "crime", like evading taxes, using monero, printing guns, or taking drugs, is a crime
It is you complete dumbass. It's a crime, whether or not you or I consider it to be immoral is a completely different topic. The government will prosecute you for crimes regardless of whether you think you are acting immorally.
It really is high school tier politics in here today.

[Anonymous No.58054741]

New Monero Songs have dropped:

Monerochan - Soldiers of Monero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBkSaoPQDx8

Monero Maniac - Monero Gang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o6eFAGJlqY

[Anonymous No.58054973]

>>58054522
>The government will prosecute you for crimes regardless of whether you think you are acting immorally.

You're not supposed to practice agorism out in the open in full view of glowies, genius. Ever noticed how all crypto-based agorist activity takes place either in person or over the darknet?

[Anonymous No.58055053]

Should I convert my monero to BTC?

Honestly, I don't plan buying anything right now, just wanted to use as store of value since believe monero IS the true crypto. However, I keep seeing monerobros talking about circular economy and how monero is to spend and not hold, so.. yeah

[Anonymous No.58055110]

>>58055053

Sure, as long as you're fine with holding a Tether-juiced memecoin that nobody actually uses for economically relevant purposes.

[Anonymous No.58055193]

>>58055053
monero is incredibly risky to hold due to regulatory risk
BTC might be even riskier, given its lack of fungibility/privacy and its overvaluation caused by tether printing and tradfi speculators
imagine you have a stack of $1m in BTC no vendor will accept 5 years from now because your wallet was arbitrarily deemed "high risk" by chainalysis for whatever dumb reason. they don't have to justify it, their algorithms are closed source
or imagine you get kidnapped for your BTC because your wallet gets linked to your identity by a nefarious actor, or trivially through a CEX leak
i'm not willing to hold any crypto with a transparent blockchain, but it's up to you to make your own decisions

[Anonymous No.58055272]

>>58055053
Whatever you do, don't take the extra risk of buying into btc at a value peak (whether you think it will be surpassed later on or not). Bad time to make that switch.

[Anonymous No.58055414]

>>58053968
You know, "insiders" involved in the system quite often engage in counter-economic activities too, and not only by creating that unethical lobbyist black market I mentioned before. Politicians, bankers, billionaires, violate the very laws they establish or lobby for, participate in money laundering, take drugs, fuck lolis, and engage in all sorts of illicit activities. It's a very well known fact that feds love to use Monero.

Regardless of how much they allow others to participate or which vacuum they fill, they inadvertently foster a black market existence. This demand for a black market, to no one surprise, increases with escalating bureaucracy, affecting both those outside the system and the insiders themselves. This is evident if you look how black-markets thrived during communist Russia, epitome of archi-Statism.

Ultimately, it's not of significant concern to me whether the power structures crumble under the pressure of the massification of black markets. Those power structures will probably exist for millennia to come, even if their "power" becomes a hollow shell of their former self. My primary interest lies in the continued activism and promotion of agorism and counter-economy, allowing for its natural consequences to unfold if they must. Even if these structures never collapse, the counter-economy and black markets will persist, as history shows us that increased regulation and control only serve to bolster black marke's growth.

[Anonymous No.58055541]

>>58053968
>>58055414
>cont
Ironically, this is also why I view institutionalized "official" liberals/libertarians (either right or left, it doesn't matter) as enemies of radical freedom. To me, they're just a way that the currnet systems show us they're cool and young and understand new generations' of voters needs, but in reality, they're a last resort of an already crumbling system eager for radical change, which will only truly come from outside and below, never from within. Institutional state libertarians are what we call here in Argentina a "manotazo de ahogado," the last struggle a tired swimmer gives before drowning, that swimer being the State.

>The black market thing is fine - the bullshit starts when you try to extrapolate an enveloping worldview out of that alone, which is what I alluded to.
I don't think you need to do so, as agorism evolves quite naturally and independently of whether there is an opportunity or environment for it. It's good to have a propitious environment, b2rxrut black markets will emerge even if you lack one. Though "niche", black markets can be quite sophisticated, not only on the software development side, as evidenced by Monero and thousands of other "anti-state" soft, but also in the hardware realm and outside tech too, e.g.: 3D printed guns, modded cars, ships, guns, smartphones, chips, jailbroken devices, drone smuggling, narco-submarines, cargo companies "failing" to notify authorities of some containers, homeschooling, trading secrets, whistleblowers, homemade tools, food, beverages, and drugs, black market chemist compounds. etc etc. To me, the arrow's path is clear.

[Anonymous No.58055572]

>>58053968
>>58055414
>cont
Ironically, this is also why I view institutionalized "official" liberals/libertarians (either right or left, it doesn't matter) as enemies of radical freedom. To me, they're just a way that the currnet systems show us they're cool and young and understand new generations' of voters needs, but in reality, they're a last resort of an already crumbling system eager for radical change, which will only truly come from outside and below, never from within. Institutional state libertarians are what we call here in Argentina a "manotazo de ahogado," the last struggle a tired swimmer gives before drowning, that swimer being the State.

>The black market thing is fine - the bullshit starts when you try to extrapolate an enveloping worldview out of that alone, which is what I alluded to.
I don't think you need to do so, as agorism evolves quite naturally and independently of whether there is an opportunity or environment for it. It's good to have a propitious environment, but black markets will emerge even if you lack one. Though "niche", black markets can be quite sophisticated, not only on the software development side, as evidenced by Monero and thousands of other "anti-state" soft, but also in the hardware realm and outside tech too, e.g.: 3D printed guns, modded cars, ships, guns, smartphones, chips, jailbroken devices, drone smuggling, narco-submarines, cargo companies "failing" to notify authorities of some containers, homeschooling, trading secrets, whistleblowers, homemade tools, food, beverages, and drugs, black market chemist compounds. etc etc. To me, the arrow's path is clear.

[Anonymous No.58055602]

No explosions allowed?

[Anonymous No.58055667]

>>58054522
>t.
Sir, are you aware of the current location of your post in the internets?

[Anonymous No.58055798]

>>58054973
It can be done in many places in South America, the last bastion of freedom and agorism in the open, until state libertarians bring our demise.
After that, only the realm of underound black markets will prevail, as it has always been better that way.

[Anonymous No.58056351]

>>58049068
>hash rate increase is going to = mooning at some point
Hash rate isn't really connected to the quality of the coin. Look at ZEPH, it's a premine/devfee scam but has XMR-tier hash rate. That's where the Monero hash rate is going right now because it's "mooning", when that's inevitably over it will return to Monero.

[Anonymous No.58056378]

>>58056351
Bless moneroocean

[Anonymous No.58056759]

>>58056378
This, we just dump the ZEPH on its bag holders as we collect more XMR. It's literally free money.
>mfw a scam has baggies in the telegram chat obsessed about mooning and fantasising about how ZEPH will totally flip XMR
It's amazing how XMR is the only real crypto in 2024 that isn't obsessed with lambos or feeding the devs through a tax on every mined block.

[Anonymous No.58056833]

>>58054307
Reminder that (((they))) want to make this illegal.

[Anonymous No.58056866]

>>58055602
Monero to 220 before September, unironically.

[Anonymous No.58057397]

>>58056833
The antimonero will never stop me.

[Anonymous No.58057448]

>>58056833
Needs a Monero-chan edit picking coins instead of tomatoes.

[Anonymous No.58059110]

>>58057397
>prepubescent female holding a big cock

[Anonymous No.58059239]

>>58054441
I get the feeling you want to write more, I think you should

[Anonymous No.58059350]

>>58059110
You're making this weird, anon. I just like chickens.

[Anonymous No.58059451]

>>58053808
Most ancaps I know (including me) do not support Milei, because he is a politician, and we don't support politicians. Though we sure as hell enjoy the show and the fact that he managed to get MSM to talk about ancapism and libertarianism.

No ancap supports KYC either, if anyone tells you they prefer KYC they are not an ancap, by definition. How the fuck can you be against the state while preferring to forcibly give your data to it? This makes no sense. You are thinking of maxipads who claim to be ancaps, who are a minuscule minority of that people that call themselves ancap.

Furthermore, corporations are rejected by almost all ancaps, as they are an invention of the state.

Whether ancaps "trust" in modern corporations and big capitalists, I cannot say for sure. Most I know don't really trust them, and hate regulatory capture which involves both gov and big players, but they trust politicians even less (not at all to be precise).

Most ancaps I know are not willing to risk going full agorist. They will still go gray market if it's risk-free but it often isn't. But that doesn't mean that they expect to reform the system through political action either, almost none expect that. An idea I've heard is that the state will slowly be devalued the same way organized religion was devalued compared to how it was ruling in the past. Sure you'll have some old people still paying taxes and going to vote because they are conservative but most people won't take the state and the taxmen seriously. I don't know if I agree that this is the way to go. I feel like agorism will actually play a bigger role. But I still don't call myself an agorist because 1) I am more risk-averse that the average agorist and 2) ancapism has way more well developed theory behind it which I think is important too. Would I be annoyed if someone called me an agorist instead of an ancap? No, and I wouldn't even correct them because I like both, and because I think they can and will coexist.

[Anonymous No.58059506]

>>58059350
Chickens are cute.

[Anonymous No.58059556]

>>58059350
sup kenny

[Anonyɱous No.58060000]

>>58054741

[Anonymous No.58060365]

Fuck the politics

I just think Monero is a good coin

[Anonymous No.58060497]

I will give my philosophical breakdown on the years to come, as the western hemisphere becomes more matriarcal and we get to see more policys like ubi, higher taxes, cbdcs and mass unemployment due to ai and robotics we are going to see a countercurrent where things like monero, modern pirates/privateers, cybercriminals, 3d weapons and the unemployed will have nothing more than resort to prostitution, gambling and other odd jobs.

In the end the welfare state will collapse to ai and we are going to enter into a cyberocracy where goverments will have to downsize to keep themselves relevant because while deflation is good in the short term to middle term ai and robotics will cause a lot of unemployment and deflationary currencys can hurt the banking system as well so all goverments may be forced to downsize in the next 20 years

[Anonymous No.58060643]

>>58060497
buzzwords

[Anonyɱous No.58061020]

>>58060497
>deflation
Banking interests already have the fix should deflation happen.

[Anonymous No.58061428]

>>58047004
I enjoy beernero-chan.

[Anonymous No.58061638]

Cake wallet or Monerujo for Android?

[Anonymous No.58061659]

>>58061638
Honestly they both suck. I've had to resync my wallet almost 20 times between the two across several different devices because of network interruptions causing corrupted wallet files.

[Anonymous No.58062146]

>>58059451
Milei is a conservative boomer with some basic right-lib /pol/ knowledge, but he calls himself an ancap, and he, unlike me, you and your friends, has enough propaganda power to shift culture, ideas and terminology. He has a huge following on X, realm of another state-baked liberal and fan of him, Elon Musk, and right now (at least the last time I've been there before nitter died - I don't own a tw account) there's a war between pro-Milei and anti-Milei liberals/libertarians, which in a broad sense could be seen as a great libertarian philosophical war between reformists and anti-reformists, and is permeating modern libertarian debate at the same time we're leaving that old dog barking socialism. A lot of self-proclaimed ancaps there, and well some confused agorists (@SallyMayweather), at least in name, supporting Milei like retard cultists.
Most South American libertarians call themselves ancaps, and many get their political ideas from mainstream social media without understanding the underlying philosophy, yep, that's the sad state of affairs with modern "libertarianism". IRL apart from one friend, I don't know that many consistent libertarians who won't bend to political power or corporations. Maybe two or three.
I also do believe that agorists and ancaps should coexist, but institutionalized state liberals like Milei and their reformist fanboys are shitting the well so bad, causing harm to the ideas Milei used to promote way before entering politics, unironically... A bad "ally" can inadvertently do far more damage than a well-known enemy, like statists are to us.

[Anonymous No.58062186]

>>58060643
Ok midwit

[Anonymous No.58062195]

>>58062146
I'm this jew JeWxd5e2 >>58053808
But moved IP.

[Anonymous No.58062202]

>>58054475
Does stuff actually sell on monero market? I've been getting rid of old games and consoles on ebay and the 15 percent ebay hit hurts.

[Anonymous No.58062297]

>>58060497
>>58061020
How are the bankers sure that ordinary people as well as the military and police will not backfire and eat the livers of them and their representatives alive if they pull this mother of all rugs? Maybe I shouldn't be asking this here...

[Anonymous No.58062986]

>>58062146
>I also do believe that agorists and ancaps should coexist

Splitting hairs is retarded, both want essentially the same thing.

[Anonymous No.58063350]

>>58049068
Hashrate is important, and a part of the fundamentals for crypto, but it is a trailing thing. People don't start mining because they want more hashrate for the network. They want XMR so they mine and add hashrate. Afaik the idea that "most" of XMRs hashrate comes from botnets is an unfounded rumor. Though I think it sounds cool so I don't mind people thinking that.

>>58049126
>>58049174
The same reasons BTC is accepted by the state are the same as to why it cannot succeed in it's original mission. Maybe it can have a niche as a "digital gold", but the cost of compliance with tax law alone makes it incapable of replacing fiat currencies. So, who knows what will happen with Bitcoin's price in the future, but I can guarantee it has no chance at replacing the dollar. The state simply will rig the rules in their favor, as they already have done. Monero completely subverts that, as you don't need to comply with the tax law in the first place so that's no longer a cost to your transactions. Though other costs for transactions are higher, namely, getting people to accept/pay with it.

The way I see it is a long play of real world use ensured by the foothold of darknet markets. Use this foothold as a price floor to help stabilize exchange rates and attempt to use it for other transactions. Tipping your barber in it, paying for some raw milk from a farmer friend you know for it. Offer discounts for it when selling something on craigslist. It is far easier said than done, but I fear it is the only chance we have. Never sell XMR for fiat if you can help it, only directly for goods and services.

[Anonymous No.58063931]

>>58062986
The case is settled. If you don't fall for politicians lies, unlike most other fellow human beings after many millennia, you'll be good, you'll be ascended, whatever your political philosophy is.

[Anonymous No.58064632]

>>58059451
On one hand it is unfortunate that people have to learn about libertarianism from a reformist, therefore thinking that reformism, and temporarily using the power of the state to get closer to freedom is a justified use of power according to the NAP. It definitely is not. But on the other hand, him, like Ron Paul (who wasn't saying he's an ancap of course) are still very useful as "gateway drugs". The adage that the difference between a minarchist and an anarchist is about 6 months, still stands. People get exposed to some discounted version of libertarianism through Atlas Shrugged, Ron Paul or Milei, and soon find themselves digging deeper and finding out about the unadulterated forms of these political positions which are, frequently, more intellectually appealing. And even if they don't make the jump, I'd rather live with one who votes for Milei than one who votes for a typical politician.

I'll grant you though that agorism, as a term has NOT being confused with other ideologies. Agorists are agorists. While anarcho-capitalism has been spread comically thin with people from the fucking alt-right claiming to be ancaps because they like how Hoppe said they can kick the muslims out. Hoppe whom even if I still consider worth a read, is horribly wrong in applying logic, both on the BS he spouts about state borders AND on his argumentation ethics. And then like you said you have, like you said, the south american "ancaps" which are almost all minarchists with a very strong christian morality that reminds me sometimes, perhaps unfairly, of Ben Shapiro claiming he is a libertarian... But se we have to take these people seriously? You know maybe you are right. Freaking Rothbard, the guy that coined the term, ended up going into politics by the end of his life so maybe the term has been tainted since then, and therefore all those discount bin ancaps should be allowed to take over the term.

[Anonymous No.58064688]

>>58062146

To your last point, your fear about damage caused by Milei half-assing the application of freedom is not unreasonable as if he fails to improve the situation, people will become more hostile towards freedom and will be pointing their finger at the "faults of the markets" again. Time will tell, I am optimistic though.

BTW I know (in RL and inside private online communities) 30-40 consistent libertarians.

[Anonymous No.58064767]

>>58064632
>>58064688
These two were supposed to be a reply to: >>58062146
but I fucked up.

[Anonymous No.58065307]

I hope the bank wire clears today, frens. I need to slurp!!

[Anonymous No.58065668]

>>58062202
I actually prefer it over ebay. It's way less hassle overall, both as buyer and seller. Obviously traffic and customer base is much smaller but monero chads are extra happy do spend. It's certainly worth a try.

[Anonymous No.58065817]

>>58063350
>Monero is the final solution to the tax man question
I see this sentiment sometimes, but to me replacing fiat is not the same as cutting out the tax man and not an axiomatic consequence. In practice both tend to happen together but really they're orthogonal issues. Running a business using dollars without paying taxes is just as feasible and sensible (depending on the situation, sensibilities and beliefs) as running a business using monero in the open and paying taxes. For example, a big business like a physical store, restaurant, etc. will have a hard time dodging taxes entirely.

[Anonymous No.58065989]

>>58053839
This sounds exactly like my own beliefs. I've always been cautious to consider myself an ancap because although they claim that they are not necessarily pro-corporation, I have yet to see one of them take an instance against e.g the banking cartel (not just the FED), Monsanto, etc. Not only that, but they almost inevitably end up supporting a boomer conservative in every election, in every country.

Seems like agorism fixes all the things I find broken in ancapism. In other words: based.

[Anonymous No.58066289]

>first leg of bullmarket already over
>monero did absolutely nothing
how does it feel monero holders?

[Anonymous No.58066342]

>>58066289
>nothing happened
>how does this make you feel
Good, same as every day.

[Anonymous No.58066785]

>>58065817
They do not know how much if any monero you have. Can move it anywhere on the planet (and beyond) in seconds. Can not be taken from (they can force you to give it), but laws of the universe (demurge) prevent them from taking it by force. There is not a single asset that can do this on this good eart besides monero. Let that sink in.
But yea. The issue is that its still theoretical beacuse of liquidity. Very few people know about monero and they do freedom* stuff with fiat by conveniance.
Its about a culture (spiritual) war. If enaugh people used monero like they smoke weed, I mean what can glow fags do. Put 10% of the popultion in jail by writing a law they can not enforce and look foolish. No, they would abolish further tax laws, make smaller goverments and find another way to worhisp their evil diety..
Its more about the systemic effect of XMR. The partical part about it (which is awsome, but still a niche bubble) is there nor systemic changes.
thats what fudders and similar homos are here. They know its a spiritual battle. The math/strategic part is solved.

[Anonymous No.58067099]

>monero is on discount again

[Anonymous No.58067260]

>>58066785
They know how much monero you earn if you have a regular job that just happens to pay monero. Your employer will tell them. Unless you work illegally, but that's not necessarily the case. It just happens to be that way now because selling illegal things is the easiest way to earn a living in the monero economy. Similarly, if you sell burgers and keep doing it, they know you run a profitable business and will want their cut. If they don't know exactly, they will just demand a generous amount. As long as the government has goons, they can and will find ways to steal your money. It's just a big shakedown racket after all. Alternative currencies are just part of the solution.

[Anonymous No.58067361]

>>58067260
>Your employer will tell them.
Why do you assume that? If you assume the employer will tell the exact amount he pays you and not some low-ball number, then why not directly assume that you yourself will report your earnings to the government truthfully?

The point about monero's privacy is that it gives power to its user's conscience. Monero's users can device how much they wish to report for their earnings. THIS, is, what makes enforcement of involuntary taxation obsolete.

[Anonymous No.58067381]

>>58067260
>they will just demand a generous amount. As long as the government has goons, they can and will find ways to steal your money. I
that much physical enforcement, the govt isn't able to enforce upon a populace of monero users which their numbers are above a certain "critical mass". The government cannot simply condemn and enforce punishment to millions of its people.

[Anonymous No.58067402]

>>58047811
I made this meme originally but it had both Bitcoin and Monero.

[Anonymous No.58067419]

>>58047811
>>58067402
I like this version.

[Anonymous No.58067523]

>>58067361
Your employer most likely doesn't want to risk jail time he will report your income truthfully, no matter if it's $, € or XMR.
What you want requires a weakened/failed state with no power in the first place. Adopting monero helps us getting there but it's not sufficient alone. Otherwise people could just stop paying taxes right now, who's going to go after hundreds of millions of people?

[Anonymous No.58067625]

>>58067523
>Your employer most likely doesn't want to risk jail time he will report your income truthfully, no matter if it's $, € or XMR.
this is exactly the same assumption goes to your own admitting of your earnings to the govt.

the bottom line: there has to be some level of will to disobey, even if people would have monero. Monero can't help them if its users do not have some degree to disobey.

[Anonymous No.58068015]

>>58067625
Even if you are willing, some taxes are hard to dodge like land taxes. Taxing businesses with physical locations is pretty easy and unless they have a private army, what are they going to do? Unless you suggest living in the woods, which is cool, but more like side-stepping the problem.

[Anonymous No.58068209]

>>58067625
FWIW, I do sympathize with the general sentiment and I do think monero is an important piece of the puzzle.

[Anonymous No.58068256]

hello maximalists, casual civil disobedient here.

I just wanted to let the government know with a timestamp that I bought the dip so that if poompa bang bang time starts, they can come looking for it but by then it surely will have been lost at sea.

>t. casual monero observer who remembers when bitcoin was an evil drug coin for criminals exclusively and had NO PLACE IN FINANCE but now has an etf and stuff.

not moonboying, just... looks oversold to me, and I think the tech and brand are strong.

[VEIL PROJECT No.58068866]

>>58066289
>how does it feel
stacking feels good man

[Anonymous No.58069304]

>>58064632
>and soon find themselves digging deeper and finding out about the unadulterated forms of these political positions which are, frequently, more intellectually appealing.
Frankly, Milei's fame partly drew me towards agorism, albeit he being an enemy of it. It led me to his former colleague Diego Giacomini, now a major critic. Giacomini is a consistent radical liberal economist defending agorism and civil disobedience against Milei's cult-like followers' kiddy arguments. He connected me with other consistent argy radical liberal activists like Nicolás Morás, Lucas Di Dodo, and Tomas from "El Gentilhombre" (a paleolibertarian, but very savvy).

>I'd rather live with one who votes for Milei than one who votes for a typical politician.
I strongly disagree with this idea, at least in the Argentina case, here typical=lefty, and lefties regularly practice counter-economics and, for the most part, let others to do the same (I guess they suffer from "guilt"), while conservatives, most Milei's voters, strongly advocate for punitive measures against tax evasion, victimless smuggling, and clandestine trade. Milei's party is filled with anti-liberal neocons who are eager to apply maximum expropriating force against those avoiding our extremely high taxes, among the highest in the world. They're also targeting crypto, you don't know how much I long for monero and non-KYC crypto trade to get more adoption here. Conservatives are truly the worst enemies of freedom maximalists.

[Anonymous No.58069345]

>>58069304
>cont

>Hoppe whom even if I still consider worth a read, is horribly wrong in applying logic, both on the BS he spouts about state borders AND on his argumentation ethics
Liberals/libertarians need to practice more eclecticism and critical thinking, like the well-read "fathers" of 19th century radical liberalism and anarchism (Herbert Spencer, Lysander Spooner, Gustave de Molinari, Thomas Paine, etc.), One can be committed to radical freedom while drawing inspiration from diverse writers and activists, keeping valuable insights and discarding boilerplate. Sadly, as everything else in moder culture, modern mainstream liberals/libertarians are way dumber than their predecessors.

>perhaps unfairly, of Ben Shapiro claiming he is a libertarian
Not unfairly at all, just change "Ben Shapiro" to "Javier Milei," and you've described the entire fanken-conserva-libertarianism that has been spouted from this collectivist hellhole. Of course, 99% of argie libertarians, and to an extent, latam libertarians, will be wannabes of Ben Shapiro. God save us lmao.

>Rothbard
IIRC Diego Giacomini argued on a tweet that Rothbard regretted his political foray and agreed with Samuel Edward Konkin III about the errors of minarchists and other libertarians who wanted the State, despite previous strong disagreements. However, no sources were provided, causing a shitstorm on Spanish libertarian tw. Giacomini argued that the State machine only tends to expand, and any "contractions" are just temporary palliatives to calm sheep anger. Therefore, consistent radical liberals only have two options: destroy the State or opt out of it. Reformism will only lead to ruin on every instance.

[Anonymous No.58069449]

>>58064688
The fear of every radical liberal here is not only about markets; it's also the potential demise of Milei, which will be historically regarded as the downfall of liberal political philosophy, likely worldwide. This could ignite resistance and resentment against these ideas for decades. If Rothbard's later actions tarnished the term "anarchocapitalism" that he coined (one may wonders if this is related to why libertarianism is so unpopular in America), the damage Milei will inflict upon these ideas will likely set them back for another century. However, I remain optimistic. Although I believe Milei is accidentally becoming the worst enemy of freedom in today's world, this inspires me to "keep the house in order" and become an activist promoting the ideas I deem correct. Everyone committed to these principles should do the same.

[Anonymous No.58069668]

>>58065989
This. Agorism is dangerously based and the closest thing Monero has to an official ideology.

[Anonymous No.58069683]

>>58066289
Monero has been good for consistent profits the last year or two. Can't really complain. I fully expect it to break 200 when BTC enters peak formation. Not bad upside potential given the relative safety of the token.

[Anonymous No.58070174]

>>58053918
>Unironically bragging about adhering to the most jewish of modern political thoughts
NGMI pal, many such cases.

[Anonymous No.58070312]

>>58067402
bitcoin is dogshit, you played yourself

[Anonymous No.58070501]

Another week, another spiral downwards and more faggots spouting "and actually, that's a good thing"

Goodbye, Monero. You deserved a better world where retards weren't the norm.

[Anonymous No.58070527]

>>58065989
>>58069668
It's all about markets, freedom, and ethics (important keyword here, usually dismissed in this fake gay earth) Check picrel at >>58054427. The thing is, capitalists don't like competition, or to be frank, many of them do, but they are efficient-minded people, so if any shortcut anticipates allowing them to avoid competition, well, that will crave a demand. Now, what market can supply that demand? The antithetical market of lobbying and political bribes.

The only real job of a politician, which demonstrates how useless and meaningless their existence is, is to not have a price, but all politicians have one, and I would say most people do too. So they are a "total failure" (I don't think it's a failure, but rather natural design, as in parasites) in the only thing they shouldn't be: sellable. Therefore, they present themselves as the supply that greedy capitalists demand to crush the competition. They create that mafia >>58053808, that antithetical market that destroys their economic and political opponents.

I just wonder who, as in the chicken and egg paradox, came first, the prebendary capitalists or the corrupt politicians. If an economic system is antithetical, if it's based on stealing and taking advantage by crushing others, it's destined for eventual disaster.

Cooperation and voluntarism through civil disobedience, counter-culture and counter-economics is the most based thing on this earth and has the capacity to leave no one out, rich or poor. And you don't have to be an agorist maximalist; you can be at 10%, 20%, 80% of your capacity, whatever is viable and realistic in your current situation. Use it as a power, as ancestral knowledge, as it's as ancient as tax evasion (that is, thousands of years, even though Konkin coined the term 50 years ago). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s95VhfciHZ0

>the closest thing Monero has to an official ideology.
Wait till you hear about cryptoagorism...

[Anonymous No.58070987]

>>58065817
I think you slightly misunderstood what I was saying. It isn't the final solution to the tax man. If he can't tax your income anymore, he'll go back to counting windows in your house and taxing you based on that.

My point is that complying with the regime in the currency space will always make your alternative to fiat uncompetitive. They'll change the rules as much as they need in order to ensure that. So your only chance is to operate outside of those rules for as many of your transactions as you can.

You are right though that it is difficult for brick and mortar to be able to cook the books and avoid taxes. Suppliers will almost certainly snitch on them in their own tax filings. Still though, at the moment trying to get a brick and mortar (in the US at least) to accept Monero is a big lift in and of itself. I think starting with more informal trading is better. Places that already mostly deal in cash, flea markets, garage sales, farmer's markets, stuff like that.

The calculation is different in other countries though, if you're somewhere with an already weak currency, you're going to have a much easier time.

[Anonymous No.58071159]

>>58066289
You know, we had a wave of shitcoins in 2014. They are mostly dead. Then we had a new wave of shitcoins of 2017. They are mostly dead too. And shitcoins of 2021, too.

And Monero is still here. Monero means money. It feels great.

[Anonymous No.58071185]

>>58069668
>This. Agorism is dangerously based and the closest thing Monero has to an official ideology.

Monero Extremism = crypto-anarchy/cypherpunk + agorism + a healthy dose of subversion and a dash of autism.

The moderates on reddit and Twitter tend not to be so gung-ho on black markets, Doug has said he has no interest in XMRBazaar being used as a DNM, although somebody will inevitably fork it into one lol

[Anonymous No.58071220]

>>58070987
>Places that already mostly deal in cash, flea markets, garage sales, farmer's markets, stuff like that.
Cash already solves that "problem", but that is all small time anyway.

Taxes are fine and required for a society to function, otherwise you get shit like firemen who low ball you on the sale of your already-burning house. Focus on electing officials that spend taxes on what you want or move to a different country. Taxes are the cost of living in the civilized world and shouldn't be demonized.

[Anonymous No.58071324]

>>58071220
>Taxes are fine and required for a society to function
Why are you here? Taxation is theft, I don't know why you're in this thread in the first place if you don't understand something that basic and obvious. What interest do you have in Monero? At the moment you sound like a bootlicker faggot.

[Anonymous No.58071449]

bro i just realized why the shitcoin market is going up 100x every hour... it's because bitcoin is really bad fundamentally so because we still encourage bitcoin to go up it's incentivizing the worst products we have in crypto to go up because everyones still that retarded for it

[Anonymous No.58071496]

>>58071324
>At the moment you sound like a bootlicker faggot.

He's that compliance-cucked moonfag who's always whining about our lack of enthusiasm for moons & lambos.

>Another week, another spiral downwards and more faggots spouting "and actually, that's a good thing"
>Goodbye, Monero. You deserved a better world where retards weren't the norm.

[Anonymous No.58071520]

>>58071220
>firemen who low ball you on the sale of your already-burning house
As opposed to government firemen, who just let the house burn so rich cunts can wait for your savings to run out before they start talking about price.

[Anonymous No.58071659]

>>58071324
based.
>>58071220
go fuck yourself and FUCK the government.
use MONERO.

[Anonymous No.58071726]

>>58070174
if you can't beat them, join them

[Anonymous No.58071740]

>>58056833
the state alreaady made illegal for people to kill their own animals

[Anonymous No.58071747]

We still need a consistent ideology that lasts thousands of years, ancient civilizations had religious temples, a big agora, some places for astronomy, jails and courts, and the places to live for the aristocracy, also colecting taxes was enforced via sacrifices or places where you would go and pay, i do think religion is more important than the free market and worshipping the Christian god or heck just simping for monerochan as the unnatainable object could allow us to create a monero city.

[Anonymous No.58072418]

>>58067523
>that image news titles
Oh dear, when they will learn there's no bad publicity, only publicity.

[Anonymous No.58072422]

>>58071324
>Taxation is theft
False. Nonstarter. Move to a country that has no taxes.

>>58071520
See above.

>>58071659
See above.

[Anonymous No.58072702]

>>58072422
I live in MONERICA. Where everywhere I am has no taxes.

[Anonymous No.58072961]

>>58069304
>at least in the Argentina case, here typical=lefty, and lefties regularly practice counter-economics and, for the most part, let others to do the same

I'll take your word for it because I don't know any Argentinians. When I think of lefty-anarchist types my mind goes to the Spanish anarchists which, based on what I've heard from Spaniards and Catalans, were horrible and just stole everything from everyone not on their side. Lefty-anarchist types in my country also rarely "live and let live" even though they practice counter-economics.

>Milei's party is filled with anti-liberal neocons
I heard about that. Sad. But when I talk about people who voted Milei I mean the ones that voted Milei, not other's in the party or coalition. Do you mean that even those want you to pay your taxes and not use crypto? While voting for a self-described ancap?

[Anonymous No.58073140]

If there are no taxes, who pays for the neetbux?

[Anonymous No.58073151]

>>58069345
>Of course, 99% of argie libertarians, and to an extent, latam libertarians, will be wannabes of Ben Shapiro.
Shit dude, don't kick my hopes while they're down. :-D

I want to believe the story about Rothbard regretting it going into politics. And he had every reason to regret it. He achieved nothing towards his goals by doing it, if anything he managed to damage his image. I'm not so sure that he damaged ancapisms image though. Hoppe did though, IMO and much later.

[Anonymous No.58073168]

>>58071220
Cucks should shut up and watch the rest fuck the state.

You can jerk off in the corner if you like.

[Anonymous No.58073356]

>>58069345
>Of course, 99% of argie libertarians, and to an extent, latam libertarians, will be wannabes of Ben Shapiro. God save us lmao.

It is likewise where I live. That's a particular hurtful point for me. As a long-time lurker I watched the libertarian movement in my country go to a very niche group, to a somewhat relevant movement, and then it was completely derailed by allying with neocons because "muh left will win if we don't sell out".

I actually cringe a little when I hear the word "freedom" spoken in my first language. This is how hard we've fallen.

[Anonymous No.58073610]

>>58072702
Doesn't exist on a map. Sounds like a shit hole.

>>58073168
I'm watching the value of XMR plummet. I'll be jerking off because I got out.

[Anonymous No.58073753]

>>58073140
You don't need a regular job or neetbux. The economy is a scam designed to keep the top 40% of earners on a treadmill their entire lives. If you have a deflationary currency and no barriers to casual participation, you can earn a survival wage doing very stupid shit for few hours and scale in at your leisure. The system will always work to prevent you from doing this. It wants to keep outsiders impoverished and dependent.

[Anonymous No.58073812]

>>58073753
This, just live in public restrooms and underneath peoples porches. It's all a gigantic scam.

[Anonymous No.58073892]

>>58073812
I can see how I might think that if I were dumb enough to lose money trading Monero. How did you manage that exactly?

[Anonymous No.58074036]

>>58073892
Manage what?

[Anonymous No.58074091]

>>58074036
To lose money trading a coin that oscillates around 150 forever.

[Anonymous No.58074161]

>>58074091
I didn't.

[Anonymous No.58074288]

>>58074161
So you're mad people are getting money and talking shit about the government?

[Anonymous No.58074408]

>>58072422
>Theft is justified because you can potentially go elsewhere where they steal a bit less from you
Impeccable logic, kek

[Anonymous No.58074531]

>>58072961
I don't know much about Spanish anarchists. Isn't that different here either, what I was pointing to is that some Argy lefties practice what we might call "normalfag counter-economy": they buy drugs on the black market, buy dollars outside the banking system (the "blue" dollar, literal cash dollars bought in an agorist way to avoid restrictions and the peso), evade taxes, declare way less capital than they actually own, you know, the typical stuff. A few of them are also vocal supporters of FOSS and warn about internet privacy more than what neocons do, which is based. However, when a lefty government tries to impose anti-evasion laws, and they do, the application in some regards is often slow and very bureaucratic, perhaps intentionally.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are more assertive in enforcing law and seek to optimize it. A major criticism of Milei (and by extension, minarchism) is that shrinking the State while keeping it has the downside of optimizing its monopoly on force by the usual reallocation of resources. Think, for example, of Singapore, which has a "small state", not only geographically, but also with a very mighty and unforgiving one when it comes to the application of force. For instance, here, Patricia Bullrich, a former socialist guerrilla turned conservative and current Minister of Security under Milei, years ago, when she was Minister of Security under Macri, hired Pegasus (the famous Israeli software) to tap the phones of thousands of citizens, journalists, and opponents. These are Milei's current political allies.

[Anonymous No.58074552]

>>58074288
No, I'm mad that Monero didn't moon like it should have. I could have made much more.

>>58074408
Taxes/Rent is not theft though. You're paying for a privilege to live somewhere.

[Anonymous No.58074595]

>>58074552
>Taxes/Rent is not theft though
gtfo ngmi

[Anonymous No.58074633]

>>58074595
In fact, you're stealing services by tax evasion.

[Anonymous No.58074680]

>>58074531
>cont
On a similar regard, it was recently announced that Argentine cryptocurrency exchanges will have to provide even more information to the government about movements and trades, as part of an international crusade against money laundering. Milei, the anarcho-capitalist, is forced to participate in this to obtain international credit and recover the central bank's reserves, an opportunity that the large cartelized bankers were obviously not going to let pass without imposing conditions.

Neocon politicians are very comfortable with this, as they like state theft, just like the leftists. However, in addition to them, they are more than willing to optimize and upgrade their mechanisms of plunder and extend the tentacles of the state. Among the cult voters of Milei, there's even a meme pushed by boomer neocons about how they demand to pay more taxes lmao.

Anyway, I must make a last point here, an "errata", sort of: You don't have to believe what I said, and regarding the news, I have yet to provide you with the links, since I'm just pulling from my memory. I will post them if I find them.

[Anonymous No.58074692]

>>58074633
I'm not stealing absolute shit, I am paying my taxes.
Defending the same system that daily destroys your country sounds retarded to me.
The problem with taxes is that they're higher that they should be, in fact they're way, way higher.
You know this too yet you actively try to advocate for your country to daily fuck you in the ass, either your mental processes are fucked up, or you enjoy getting cucked by fags that are already way wealthier than you'll ever be

[Anonymous No.58074725]

>>58074692
So you're choosing to pay your rent. Glad we agree that taxation is not theft.

[Anonymous No.58074731]

>>58074552
>living on a plot of land that you paid for and own is a privilege
Slave midset.

[Anonymous No.58074737]

>>58074725
You're trying hard to sound like a smartass, yet you refuse to give me a proper answer.

[Anonymous No.58074738]

>>58073610
If your jerk-off material is the fucks I give about the price, there's really zero of them.

[Anonymous No.58074740]

>>58074731
Correct. You can pay the taxes to remain on your land or you can pay with your life. The choice is yours.

[Anonymous No.58074763]

>>58074552
>Trying to smuggle the word rent with taxes to muddy the water
Where's the contract stipulating that I consent to be a slave ?
>>58074633
>you're stealing services by tax evasion.
I'm not getting stolen from, very different.

[Anonymous No.58074767]

>>58074737
An answer for what?

>>58074738
>I don't care that the value of my possessions are plummeting
That's depressing. I'll continue to stroke.

[Anonymous No.58074781]

>>58074725
>Give me half of your shit or I kill you
>*give the money*
>See, it's not theft, you consented to it :)

[Anonymous No.58074799]

>>58074692
>The problem with taxes is that they're higher that they should be
Yes, 0%
Taxation isn't a problem of degree but a problem of nature

[Anonymous No.58074808]

>>58074763
Depends specifically on what you're paying taxes on.
>I'm not getting stolen from
Correct. Taxes aren't theft.

>>58074781
Correct.

[Anonymous No.58074823]

>>58074767
About your thought processes,
do you defend overtaxing because you enjoy getting your money stole and your ass fucked by the pedos that run your country or what?
What's your deal?

[Anonymous No.58074836]

>>58074808
>Depends specifically on what you're paying taxes on.
Nope, they're all unjustified, they're all theft.
>Correct.
Glad to hear that theft, murder & rape are all voluntary then, genius

[Anonymous No.58074843]

>>58073356
You should never trust a politician, a corporatocrat, or their lackeys. This is one of the most significant distinctions and teachings that differentiate agorists from anarcho-capitalists and other libertarians. Consistent agorists firmly believe that political action leads nowhere and is utterly useless.

[Anonymous No.58074854]

>>58074843
This is also the case of many ancaps

[Anonymous No.58074866]

>>58074823
I don't defend overtaxing.

>>58074836
False. You're paying rent to exist in a country/territory and use its services.
>Glad to hear that theft, murder & rape are all voluntary then, genius
Yeah, everyone has to the choice to commit crimes, but it's probably not a good idea.

[Anonymous No.58074897]

>>58074799
I agree, however changing something like an established system that every single country in the world uses and builds its economy upon takes decades, the nature of taxes is wrong but they're not going anywhere anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.58074938]

>>58074866
If you defend taxing today, you're also defending overtaxing.
You're defending a system that bleeds the citizens and then pours their blood in the mouth of the 0,001% pedo elites.
Basically you're also supporting pedophilia and imperialism without even understanding what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.58074951]

>>58074866
>I don't defend overtaxing.
What's the objectively "right amount" then ?
Ah yes, 0, because it's theft.

>You're paying rent to exist in a country/territory and use its services.
It's not rent, it's theft.
It's a compulsory "sale" of stolen goods & services under the implied threat of death.
The only way to solve this problem is to privatize (and de-regulate) everything.

>everyone has to the choice to commit crimes
Good goy, but tax evasion isn't a crime though, it's self-defense, as taxation is and can only be theft

[Anonymous No.58075004]

>>58074938
No I'm not.

>>58074951
What tax are we talking about specifically? There's more than one type of tax. You know that, right?

[Anonymous No.58075019]

>>58074740
I choose the non-slave cuck alternative to die. And I will likely die, I acknowledge it, but it's preferable to die as a poisoned frog than as a ragged worm.

[Anonymous No.58075029]

>>58074552
>>58074633
Haven't seen so much honest cuckoldry outside of /gif/ and /b/ before.

>>58074731
This ^

>>58074740
>I'll continue to stroke.
Like a good cuck.

>>58074866
>doesn't even know what voluntary means, thinks something happening to you is voluntary if someone has the choice to do it to you. Tries to argue for taxation.
How am I not surprised at all by this moron. This is exactly the level of knowledge I expected.

>>58074866
>paying rent to exist in a country/territory
And how did those who charge you this "rent" come into possession of this "country/territory"? Let me guess: war, pillage, expulsion or forcing the opinion of the majority on the minory of the inhabitants, stuff that if done by anyone else are treated like crimes. Nice theory of ethics and property you've got there. I love how non-arbitrary and consistent it is. You should write a book about it, if you have a free hand while jerking off of course.

[Anonymous No.58075030]

>>58075019
Uh huh. The thing is, it won't be on American soil, but Ukranian. Sleep tight, Ivan.

[Anonymous No.58075034]

>>58075004
>No I'm not.
>refuses to elaborate further
Yeah, you're probably under 20 or something.
Done talking with you, you can't even expose your ideals or explain your views.

[Anonymous No.58075042]

>>58075029
>>58075034
see >>58075030

[Anonymous No.58075075]

>>58074897
>they're not going anywhere anytime soon
For sure, but reformism is a fool errand in my opinion if that's what you're implying.
As a nugget of hopium I think that small pockets of relative anarchy will pop up in the coming decades with the help of (among other things) Monero.
>>58075004
>What tax are we talking about specifically?
All of them, they are all theft, as they're indifferent in nature.

[Anonymous No.58075097]

>>58075042
>edgy post that brings absolutely nothing to the table + randomly mentioning a topic that means less than 0 in this conversation in a desperate attempt to sound smart and cool
I see, so these are your ideals and views.
Based brainlet?

[Anonymous No.58075222]

>>58075075
False.

>>58075097
>edgy post that brings absolutely nothing to the table + randomly mentioning a topic that means less than 0 in this conversation in a desperate attempt to sound smart and cool
That about sums up your posts, yes.

[Anonymous No.58075229]

>>58075097
His ideals are that it's justified for a pack of niggers to rim your ass in a gang rape on a daily basis because you could just go elsewhere, and if you don't pay them "protection" money and buy their overpriced fentanyl under the threat of violence you're a thief and therefore should be executed
Basically, a goylem statist cuck

[Anonymous No.58075242]

>>58075229
Racism is not allowed on /biz/, Ivan.

[Anonymous No.58075576]

>>58070312
I'm a bitcoin maxi now.

[Anonymous No.58076642]

>>58075576
>I'm a bitcoin maxi now.

Based. $100K soon!

[Anonymous No.58077571]

So what's going on with the spam attack? Any updates?

[Anonymous No.58078212]

>>58075576
This you?

[Anonymous No.58078615]

'Never attribute to malice or stupidity that which can be explained by moderately rational individuals following incentives in a complex system.

[Anonymous No.58079277]

>>58075042
Nice work avoiding to answer questions by posting nonsense. Add this technique to your book. I really enjoy it when statist bootlickers overextend their arguments and then showcase how clueless they are about anything. "We live in a society" is not a meme for no reason; it precisely captures the extent of statists' ability to argue.

[Anonymous No.58080069]

Milei simps for js, wants to be one even. That's all you really need to know

[Anonymous No.58080610]

>>58079277
Correct. No arguments, only facts. No techniques needed. Taxation is not theft, full stop.

I'm not sure what you expect when you start out with nonsense akin to stating that there's some floating man up in the clouds that watches you and waits for you when you die, but only if you've been a good boy.

If you act like a child, you'll be treated like a child.

[Anonymous No.58080627]

>>58080610
>Taxation is not theft, full stop.
holy reddit

[Anonymous No.58080683]

>>58080627
>when reddit is collectively smarter than /biz/
big yikes

[Anonymous No.58080708]

>>58080683
oh shit what a burn
I will pay my taxes on my xmr earnings right away!!!111!!

[Anonymous No.58080733]

>anarchism
you niggers should stop associating monero-chan with this shit

[Anonymous No.58080736]

>>58080708
Damn, you're really going to be sticking it to society when you have enough XMR to buy 20 bootleg Aaron Lewis CDs on moneromarket. Take that, redditfags!

[Anonymous No.58080747]

>>58080610
>Taxation is not theft, full stop.
Taxation is a social construct

[Anonymous No.58080763]

>>58080747
Yes and?

[Anonymous No.58080766]

>>58080736
you may never know

[Anonymous No.58080778]

>>58080763
That means if I don't want to pay taxes, I don't have to. Stop being transphobic.

[Anonymous No.58080820]

>>58080778
You don't have to do anything, but you may not like the consequences of not obeying the law.

[Anonymous No.58080842]

y'all should stop feeding the glowie

[Anonymous No.58080861]

>>58080842
I find it funny that you'd attribute supernatural attributes to me just for spitting facts. It's like a modern-day witch hunt!

[Anonymous No.58081006]

>>58080842
They get paid for each (You). Literally feeding the troll.

[Anonymous No.58081157]

>>58080610
Anon, give up. You've long lost the argument and you are now resorting to just asserting your opinion as self-evident, when there are hundreds of books written discussing the issue from both sides so clearly it's not self-evident, you're just a fag who hasn't read shit outside of leddit. FFS you didn't even know what "voluntary" means. You are, clearly, completely clueless about all of these things and even people who would agree with you that taxation is not theft would still think you are completely incapable of supporting that point in an argument. *I* could support taxation better than you do.

inb4 goodnight Ivan or some shitty nonsensical reply.

[Anonymous No.58081178]

>>58081006
They get paid for making statists looks like clueless idiot redditors? I'll chip in to that.

[Anonymous No.58082695]

>>58081157
>arguing with retarded 14 year olds on the internet
Ngmi

[Anonymous No.58082813]

>>58081178
>>58081006
>>58080842
Tell us when you agree on whether the idiot is a retarded 14 year old, a glowie, or a paid troll.

[Anonymous No.58082815]

How would you guys feel if Elon Musk started shilling XMR? You can include whether you're a redditor, glownigger, pajeet, or an actual channer in your answer. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.58082850]

There is any other "youtuber" who talks frequently about Monero besides 'Monero Talk'?

[Anonymous No.58082975]

>>58082815
I wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.58082983]

>>58082850
The /g/ guy. Luke I think. Bald + soi beard. But he doesn't just talk about XMR.

There's been a few guys who took up the mantle on Monero podcast/video/interview content in the past but Monero talk has certainly kept at it the longest and had by far the greatest quantity of content. Doug has grown on me actually and the price report guy he has on is outstanding for how few views it gets.

[Anonymous No.58083028]

>>58082975
Would you feel anything if I kicked your ass?

[Anonymous No.58083039]

>>58083028
A profound sense of irony maybe.

[LebAnon !!2ce/22LTWFi No.58083110]

>>58082850
mental outlaw

[Anonymous No.58083293]

>>58082850
>There is any other "youtuber" who talks frequently about Monero besides 'Monero Talk'?
This guy https://www.youtube.com/@wiredinlight/videos

[Anonymous No.58083440]

i've had some nasty nasty luck for the last 2 weeks
effort now hovers around 200% average what the fuck
the pool had higher hashrate before and it wasn't this bad

[Anonymous No.58083995]

>>58082813
A young glowie who's paid to troll. As anon said earlier, the power-that-be are not afraid of doing illegal shit, like child labour.

[Anonymous No.58084539]

>>58083995

It is known.

[Anonymous No.58084686]

Looking forward to Monerotopia being in Argentina this year.

[Anonymous No.58084735]

>>58082850
We definitely need more Monero podcasts. Please someone make one better than the MoneroTalk

Get Cody Wilson to talk about XMR.

[Anonymous No.58084870]

>>58084735
>We definitely need more Monero podcasts.

The Virgin Monero tech talk podcast vs the Chad Bitcoin NGU media empire

[Anonymous No.58084986]

>>58080733
Smothbrain slave take.
You should stop associating anarchism with civil unrest, private property destruction and communism.

[Anonymous No.58085054]

>>58083110
Hello again, my friend. Christ is Risen! Send me a temporary email address and I'll reach out to you.

[Anonymous No.58085058]

Alternative for this in 2024?

[Anonymous No.58085120]

>>58082850
PrivacyX.
Also LoveraXMR for the Spanish speaking world.

[Anonymous No.58085121]

Its always the faggot who tells you that you don't need a king, who secretly wishes to be your master. Christ is King, and nothing your tiny, judaised minds can conceive of will ever change that.

[Anonymous No.58085168]

Do you guys add some gimmicks when selling stuff on moneromarket? For example, I always add caramel candy and monero stickers.

[Anonymous No.58085255]

>>58085168
I bought from you apparently haha

[Anonymous No.58085328]

>>58085255
Nice. I hope you are happy with my wares.

[Anonymous No.58086793]

>>58067419
Also, nutrient dense foods like; eggs, liver, mackerel, spirulina, etc.

[Anonymous No.58087082]

>>58066289
>>first leg of bullmarket already over
>>monero did absolutely nothing
>how does it feel monero holders?

Anon, Monero is a stablecoin.

[Anonymous No.58087293]

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[Anonymous No.58087356]

[Anonymous No.58087435]

Please answer the question

[Anonymous No.58087473]

>>58085058
negative
wait for the jamtis upgrade

[Anonymous No.58088284]

Apparently we're the /pol/ of /biz/ now lol

[Anonymous No.58088339]

>>58088284
<3

[Anonymous No.58088512]

>>58088284
Seems like our superiority is causing some controversy.

[Anonymous No.58088708]

>>58088284
Monero is going to set up a parallel volutarist economy with zero institutions, liquidity, on or off ramps, and a shit UX that keeps normies and non techies away, Bitcoin will go to zero, and we will btfo the Jews.

[Anonymous No.58088761]

>>58088284
A few Georgist and/or Ecofascist shilling points would be interesting.

[Anonymous No.58089041]

>>58081157
There is no argument though. Just my facts and you having a multiple-IP meltdown.

>>58088284
He's not wrong. There is great interest in XMR from the Russian state. Anyone who is even slightly clued into board culture can see the bleed over of agitprop.

[Anonymous No.58089104]

>>58089041
>There is great interest in XMR from the Russian state

Go on....

[Anonymous No.58089384]

>>58089041
>There is no argument though.
Exactly my point.

>Just my facts
You can't even figure out what words mean and now you're spitting "facts". You're such a fish out of water.

>a multiple-IP meltdown
Oooooh the cringe... You really think people would bother to use multiple IPs to talk to you when you can't form an argument even against a single person? For what reason exactly? To "attack" your drivel from two different perspectives?

[Anonymous No.58089400]

>>58089041
>Anyone who is even slightly clued into board culture can see the bleed over of agitprop
They certainly had funny memes.

[Anonymous No.58090033]

>>58067419
I made that one too (except monero chan was bitcoin). Tried a few different versions.

[Anonymous No.58090144]

>>58088284
>>58088708
That last part is wrong. Jews, just as pirates do, love to use Monero too. Anyone who enjoys smuggling, tax evasion, money laundering, and generally living above the law does. To be certain, it's the Jew banking cartel who's gonna be btfo.

>>58089041
>>58089104
I'm quite certain Putin would love to use Monero as well, if he's not already using it on a large scale. Do you realize how countries that don't comply with international law survive in a world of international sanctions and supranational power structures? Large-scale disobedience and counter-economics. This proves once again that countries relations are anarchist in nature, and that 4th-order State structures (like the EU, UN, NATO, etc) meant shit. No 4th-order State can bend countries that refuse to bend if they know how to defend themselves. And now, these countries (for the most part China, Rusia and NK), even take the offensive side just to disrupt the balance of power (the current fake gay ass Pax Americana).

PD: I do not condone supporting any politician; I'm merely stating geopolitical facts.

[Anonymous No.58090196]

>>58089384
I personally wouldn't call them people. But yes, that's standard protocol for the Kremlin agitprop campaign.

[Anonymous No.58090272]

>>58090144
I guess if Russian imperialism is a sad reality, we might as well profit from it in the form of XMR.

[Anonymous No.58090496]

>>58090196
Meds.

[Anonymous No.58090504]

>>58084986
If you value order then you should stop using the word "anarchism", the etymology of this word is totally opposite of what you defending

[Anonymous No.58090531]

>>58090496
I'm sure it takes a lot of meds to believe Putin's lies. Or maybe you're just a coward.

[Anonymous No.58090551]

>>58090504
"archia"/"arkhia" means "master" or "ruler", not order. "An" means absence.

Absence of rulers, not absence of order.

[Anonymous No.58090553]

>>58090504
Anarchy <- ἀναρχίᾱ <- ἄναρχος (ánarkhos, “without leader”)

You can easily have order without a leader.

[Anonymous No.58090569]

>>58090551
>>58090553
I mean, it's just so obvious

[Anonymous No.58090574]

>>58090272
>Russian imperialism
I don't know what shape the next Pax will take until the Pax Americana fades away, but it certainly won't be American. It could be Russian, Chinese, or even Indian. The Western world rested on its laurels and stumbled; what can we do? History is cyclical, it has happened to everyone before...
As long as cryptography and the internet exists, and storage is cheap lmao, anonymous private cryptos will have a place, so that's the only relevant factor in terms of profiting from it, not which nations will dominate the world for centuries to come.
And regarding people, agorism and counter-economics will always be there, ready to deploy, as it's something as ancestral as basic civil disobedience.

[Anonymous No.58090595]

>>58090531
>>58090569

I'll reply when you have an actual argument to make, which will be never, cause you are clueless. Till then you are a schizo loser saying random sentences.

[Anonymous No.58090630]

>>58090595
You already replied to my facts. No arguments needed, by your own admission.

Concession granted and accepted, Ivan. Now delete the thread like the good statist cuck you are.

[Anonymous No.58090684]

>>58090630
Oh I see you changed your mind and are now calling people statist cucks. Cool, then my work here is done.

[Anonymous No.58090809]

>>58090553
>You can easily have order without a leader.
You literally can't. No civilization in this planet ever raised from 0 leadership, that's just the natural order of things. And I'm not even necessarily talking about political entities here, e.g, a father of a family IS the natural leader of that family. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.58091142]

>>58090504
Lmao what a smoothbrain.
Anarchy has a natural order that emerges from below and outside the system. Having top-down structures is not the only way to achieve order, and as praxeology, the fatal arrogance of rulers and the current world's madness demonstrate, it is indeed the best way to obtain disorder. Since democracy and "modern states" have existed, we have had a bloodbath of a century, with WW1 and 2, and every other war since, thanks State.
Maybe the problem is not me, who wants to use words respecting their etymology; maybe the problem is you, a cuck who don't know shit about it, allows words to be bastardized and relates them to things that have nothing to do with their original meaning, simply because the Jew dogs (antifa, acab, blm), the lackeys of power, the shapers of public opinion, use them in that way to describe civil unrest, property destruction and revolutionary communism. Cucks like you are the reason why yankee culture bastardized into oblivion the word "liberal," whose etymology comes from "lībĕr," Latin for "free man," and "lībĕrālis," meaning "honorable, courteous, generous." But you damn retards turned it into libertinism, leftism, and wokeism, which are nothing more than forms of submission and enslavement of the free man.
Thank God not everyone in the world is this retarded, as the only place where "liberals" is so bastardized and turned to shit is the anglo world. Fuck them and fuck you. Can't say the same about "anarchy.", as has been bastardized since long before, but I'll keep using it as the fathers of philosophical anarchism intended.

[Anonymous No.58091144]

>>58090809
>No civilization in this planet ever
No civ ever existed without slavery either, until it did. So that doesn't prove anything.

Secondly, I didn't say anything about civilizations being created without leadership. I simply said you can have "order" (and I also don't necessarily mean political order) without a leader. It happens all the time, and the free market is a prime example of that.

Thirdly, practically all aspects of what you currently consider the parts of civ that require a leader, have been historically provided through spontaneous order. From policing, to courts, to armies, to whatever. All at once, not yet, but see my first point.

Finally, the etymology means without leader, but the word anarchism has come to mean things beyond just what the etymology suggests. Most often it doesn't mean without a leader in general, but it means without a top-down appointed leader. Without forced association with people, including "leaders" you don't like. Most people will naturally organize in groups where the more experienced and more willing to lead will lead, and most people will follow instructions voluntarily, because it actually makes sense for many things to organize like that, your example of a family is probably a good one, but companies are like that too. Anarchism means that leaders aren't imposed on you but are willingly followed when and if you want. It doesn't mean civil unrest, lack of order, or whatever you fear. You and the leaders you chose or are forced to submit to are not entitled to my obedience. You are only entitled to me not aggressing against you.

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[Anonymous No.58091252]

>>58090809
Here's your "natural order" pal, almost all in the century or "rule and order".

[Anonymous No.58091413]

>>58090684
Nah, just you, Ivan.

[Anonymous No.58091443]

>>58091413
Don't be sad anon. Leddit will always be there for you.

[Anonymous No.58091541]

>>58091252
jews aren't people

also you can't put all of ww2 on hideki matsui and hidler

[Anonymous No.58091689]

>>58091443
Is that the guy that's going to take your position after they throw you onto the bus, Ivan?

[Anonymous No.58091697]

>>58090809
Logical extrapolations made from false premises lead to wrong conclusions.

Lord of the Flies sociological theories (and Hobbesianism broadly) is the anti-libertarian rights equivalent of leftists who get everything wrong about climate change but never adjust their predictions or change their narratives.

William Golding got everything wrong. The story actually did happen in real life and the "might is right" aggressive dominance theories of social relationships and order were completely wrong.

6 Tongan boys get shipwrecked on a desert island for over a year.
https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2021/11/the-real-lord-of-the-flies/

Another fun one is the Grafton vs. the Invercauld. Two ships wreck on a subantarctic island at the same time, at opposite ends of the island and far enough away that they never even knew about one another. One group was composed of "Lord of the Flies" style sociopaths and the other group was composed of people who were more agreeable and cooperative. Take a guess of the results difference between the two groups.

https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/a-tale-of-two-shipwrecks/#:~:text=In%201864%2C%20castaways%20from%20two,became%20a%20close%2Dknit%20brotherhood.

[Anonymous No.58091789]

>>58091697
it's pretty cool to have encyclopedic knowledge of shipwrecks, are you a pirate perchance

[Anonymous No.58091811]

>>58091541

[Anonymous No.58091897]

>>58090196
Salty bitcuck is salty. Its always the same one lately

[Anonymous No.58091926]

>>58080733
Crypto literally evolved out of crypto-anarchy, nigger.

[Anonymous No.58091960]

>>58091541
>jews aren't people
Can confirm.

[Anonymous No.58092128]

>>58091897
>>58091926
>>58091960
Hello Ledit. How is Ivan doing?

[Anonymous No.58092157]

>>58091789
I do enjoy exploring the high seas in search of booty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7z89lF2z7c

[Anonymous No.58092176]

>>58092128

Is Russia behind all the Tether FUD too?

[Anonymous No.58092401]

>>58085058

[Anonymous No.58092442]

>>58092128
So much effort being put into being a cuck. Sad.

[Anonymous No.58092465]

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[Anonymous No.58092541]

How does one actually cash the arbitration bond on localmonero?

[Anonymous No.58093560]

>>58091697
Having just skimmed the article, it appears that the one where all survived had rules and a leader
>A system of governance was devised, and its rules were inscribed on a page of Musgrave’s Bible. These were read unfailingly every Sunday, following prayers. Musgrave was elected as chief, and Raynal took the first shift as cook, freeing Forgès to hunt and labour with the other men. A school of sorts was established and, over a meal of mussels and cod, the hut was christened Epigwaitt.

The other boat just did it wrong. No sign of rules, just a retarded dictator.
>Dalgarno seemed too shocked to issue orders, even simple instructions such as organising a search for food or shelter.
>Dalgarno, Smith and Mahoney remained fixated with rank, ordering the ship’s boys to serve them—fetching water, shucking limpets—as if the hierarchy that had dominated on board the Invercauld had substance in their subantarctic prison.

Monero, essentially, is a set of rules, actually.

[LebAnon !!2ce/22LTWFi No.58094117]

>>58085054
Christ is king friend
here you go:
[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.58094204]

>>58093560
I think the point flew completely over your head.

[Anonymous No.58095243]

>>58092442
Yeah. >>58092128 was pretty much a joke from the beginning when he didn't know what words like "voluntary" meant (probably english isn't his first language, he also confuses everyone with some Ivan friend of his), and didn't know what arguments even are and was confusing them with facts. But at least he changed his mind now and is not a statist anymore as he calls other statists cucks. We did some good work here.