/biz/ - Business & Finance

[anonymous No.85014]

How can we promote the idea of healthy right wing economics to the american people? How can we convince them that prosperity against nanny state should be worth it? I know this is a business thread so I expect the answers to be rather fiscally/fiscal-policy related.

pic related. Holder of real american values.

[Anonymous No.85046]

>>85014
The greatest argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter. Maybe we need to switch to a system where you can only vote if you pay federal taxes. The uneducated masses are a cancer.

[Anonymous No.85072]

>>85046
Voting restrictions like that will never come again. The best we can do is ID laws, and look at how the left whines and moans about that little requirement.

OP, it's over. The Free Shit Army tips the scales now. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I think the only way we go back to anything different is a Depression-scale collapse. Something that will shake the belief of any nannystater.

[Anonymous No.85186]

This is a very important topic. It's a matter of speaking to people's sense of logic and speaking to people's sense of right and wrong. Facts and figures are great for convincing people they are right, but are too debatable to convince people they are wrong. An argument that is about right against wrong is very hard to debate against with facts and figures.

The hard, difficult answer is we have to stop our economic arguments about income mobility, growth, capital, ect. We need to appeal to people's sense of right and wrong. We need to show the petty selfish politics behind liberal economics and the heartfelt urge to help the common man behind conservative economics.

I will link to this very important video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Xx3XGCZsY

Listen to the first two debaters. The first one will give facts and figures, and you will cheer for him because you agree with him, because you believe in the argument he makes. The second speaker will show you the problem with making our arguments in this way. Though we might disagree with him, we can learn a lot from him.

[Anonymous No.85363]

bumping

[Anonymous No.85488]

>>85014
>healthy right wing economics
I've seen so much fucking insane bullshit from Republicans and Libertarians that I have no idea what that would constitute any more. Care to point in a direction that acknowledges the use/importance of welfare, public education, market regulation, etc?

[Anonymous No.85501]

>>85014
Oh n/m, you're not gonna provide anything good.
>He holds that there is an "American Trinity" of essential principles, which he lists as E Pluribus Unum, In God We Trust, and Liberty.
that's the dude whose cock you're worshiping

[Anonymous No.85517]

>>85488
>It's time to come home, white man.

[Anonymous No.85524]

>>85517
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.85547]

>>85488
>care to point to anything that confirms my bias?

try again dumbass

[Anonymous No.85598]

>>85547
It's not bias retard, it's evidence. And it's the future. All I want is to see right wing policy discussion that isn't ultimately self-sabotaging, and which doesn't meanwhile fuck over millions of people.

But here you're siding with some stormfag. So again, >>>/pol/.

[Anonymous No.85618]

>>85598
>use of stormfag

Why are you even here? You realize this is /biz/, right? Evil rethuglikkkans trying to make evil money!

[Anonymous No.85622]

We can start by petitioning against Bitcoin and sorting out the idiots who think Bitcoin will actually work.

[Anonymous No.85625]

It starts with social issues, most particularly the family structure. The word economy derives from the Greek word 'oikos,' meaning home. The family unit is what needs to re-established. Unfortunately this what is being eroded and viciously attacked by left-wing vermin who hate themselves. At the same time, so called Republicans who stand for family values no longer exist or have a platform within the party. Instead there is a resurgence of reactionaries advocating for genocide by cutting social programs that people have bought into and are dependent on.

The ethos of America is ill, possibly terminal. The only solution is a nationalist one, but with a realist approach where there is no austerity. Austerity only retards growth.

[Anonymous No.85631]

>>85524
I don't get it.

Do you know who LaRouche is?

[Anonymous No.85636]

>>85618
see
>>85517
>>It's time to come home, white man.

And I'm all for money, capitalism, etc. But I'm not going to go along with deluded "Muh invisible hand" and "Muh equilibrium" and "Muh self-regulating free market" bullshit. Particularly not dumb shit like OP's and the other poster, which amounts to a mix of religious identity twattery and the aforementioned "Muh ____s."

[Anonymous No.85637]

>>85625
>genocide
>if social programs are cut

what in the fuck am i reading

[Anonymous No.85646]

>>85636
You do know the invisible hand is a very central tenet of capitalism?

Oh, wait, I get it. You must be "all for money" when it comes from the government. Gotcha.

[Anonymous No.85650]

>>85488

Welfare has proven to be an ineffective waste of money and resources.

Public education, regardless of whether or not it's ideal, would be best run by local governments. The feds are too far removed to actually manage this properly.

"Market regulation" is mostly barriers to entry that protect those already IN the markets (read: those rich people you piss and moan about), and it kills our GDP, which keeps EVERYONE poorer.

[Anonymous No.85660]

>>85636
Please, for the sake of this very based new board moot has given us stop posting and just lurk for a few months you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.85655]

>>85622

If Bitcoin won't work, it'll die on its own. Why do you care?

[Anonymous No.85666]

>>85660
seconded

[Anonymous No.85670]

>>85637
Yes, I believe there are 50 million Americans dependent on food stamps. There is also medicaid, SS, and obamacare all of which some republicans have advocated in one way or another to reform or reduce the amount of spending.

The main point is that there are right-wing idiots who think people don't have a right to healthcare, nutrition and a living wage.

[Anonymous No.85674]

>>85625

Ignoring all of you other batshit opinions, government spending does not create or improve growth.

[Anonymous No.85676]

>>85625
I think what you're getting at is the problem of individualism. And it's a problem that finds its root in the demands of our economy and our spheres of communication. Our economy wants interchangeable tools who can be anywhere and be at home. It wants a fluid resource of human capital with minimal cultural friction. It turned out that the best way to enforce this was, rather than attempting to enforce uniformity, enforcing individuality. The agitation of individuality decreases societal friction because we bond less and move more. And thanks to the internet, we can have our community wherever we go: we can be lone agents with the comfort of similar "individuals" close at hand. This is ideal for a system that demands certain types of workers congregate in single areas, like Silicon Valley.

[Anonymous No.85681]

>>85666

Thirded for trips and the good of human intelligence.

[Anonymous No.85683]

>>85650
>"Market regulation" is mostly barriers to entry that protect those already IN the markets (read: those rich people you piss and moan about), and it kills our GDP, which keeps EVERYONE poorer.

So much dumb I can't even

Market regulation ensures there aren't excessive barriers to entry. Smart regulation is absolutely essential to a modern economy.
Take a class on Anti-Trust law, you'll learn fuckloads.

[Anonymous No.85688]

>>85670
>don't have a right to healthcare, nutrition and a living wage.

You don't. At least, not how you interpret it--in that the government HAS to supply you those things.

You have the right to pursue them yourself, and the government has the obligation to allow you that pursuit. But as for giving you those things? No, you don't have that right.

If you believe otherwise, point me to where it says that in our Constitution.

[Anonymous No.85693]

>>85670

>People have a right to other people's things

Please go.

[Anonymous No.85698]

>>85625
You are literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.85703]

>>85683
Take a class in Admin law, YOU'LL learn fuckloads.

Like how regulation protects the large and powerful, while preventing entry into a market for those just getting started. It's called regulatory capture.

[Anonymous No.85706]

>>85674
Your missing the point idiot. If you cut and slash programs that people are CURRENTLY dependent on you are reducing a large part of the population to destitution.
I also never mentioned anything about government spending improving growth. I am talking about preventing people from becoming poorer than they already are, which you austerity fags are advocating for with the hope of creating Ron paul panacea of polygamy farms.

[Anonymous No.85709]

>>85646
>You do know the invisible hand is a very central tenet of capitalism?
It would be a 'central tenet' if capitalism was dogma and had a canon. But to the contrary, it is a primitive and outdated diagnosis that should have been abandoned years ago. Thanks for proving my point, though.

>Oh, wait, I get it. You must be "all for money" when it comes from the government. Gotcha.
Nice strawman there. Not sure what you think you're saying anyway: all corporations operate with money that came from the govt.-- money that was literally just printed out. Of course, you probably just mean that I'm only in favor of handouts, or something retarded like that.

>>85660
Right back at ya /pol/.

[Anonymous No.85716]

>>85706
In the long-term, would sustained dependency on the government for one's next meal be helpful to that individual or our economy? No.

Would cutting that individual off hurt that individual in the short-term? Yes. But it would help our economy and help that individual in the long-term.

[Anonymous No.85718]

>>85688
Don't pull that muh constitution shit. These programs were all passed in the congress, signed by a president and approved supreme court. This isn't the 18th century shithead. Go suck on ron paul's dick. There are left-wing lunatics and right wing cretins. You fall in the latter.

[Anonymous No.85728]

>>85709
You need to take our advice and lurk moar. You know nothing about economics.

[Anonymous No.85731]

>>85683

>Implying Dodd-Frank has anything to do with Anti-Trust
>Implying OSHA's regulations have anything to do with Anti-Trust
>Implying the EPA's regulations have anything to do with Anti-Trust
>Implying the IRS's regulations have anything to do with Anti-Trust

AND MORE

Tell you what, I'll allow you the SEC and its regulations, and we get rid of the VAST majority of the rest of this silly bullshit.

[Anonymous No.85732]

>>85728
Nice refutation you got there, faggot.

[Anonymous No.85734]

>>85718
>Don't pull that muh constitution shit. These programs were all passed in the congress, signed by a president and approved supreme court.

You are literally mouth-breathing retarded.

[Anonymous No.85739]

RIP /BIZ/

WE THOUGHT YOU HAD A CHANCE

/POL/ WAS TOO MUCH

[Anonymous No.85743]

>>85706

>If you cut and slash programs that people are CURRENTLY dependent on you are reducing a large part of the population to destitution.

Because that happened after the welfare reform under Clinton.

In reality, what happens is that when you stop giving people fish, the majority figure out how to fish by themselves.

[Anonymous No.85746]

>>85739
Moot should've started a /welfare/ board for the leftards?

[Anonymous No.85750]

>>85734

You don't know anything of the functions of government and basic economics. However, you're an American and I'm not.

[Anonymous No.85753]

>>85750
Oh, ok then, thanks for speaking out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.85754]

>>85746

Just turn /soc/ into /Socialism/. No one will miss the current /soc/.

[Anonymous No.85761]

>>85743
>Because that happened after the welfare reform under Clinton.
AHAHAH he thinks it only dates back to Clinton!
He thinks America is the only economy on earth!

[Anonymous No.85762]

>>85703
Regulatory capture is a failure in regulation. It's corruption. Not regulation by design.

Every year the FTC does the opposite of what you're saying. You have it backwards. They stop firms from raising excessive barriers to entry.

The FTC has saved the people of America from untold billions in damages that would have otherwise been levied against them by colluding firms. I don't understand why you think this is a bad thing

[Anonymous No.85765]

>>85754
>>85746
This is /biz/ for business. I'm in favor of business that sustains itself and its state in the long run. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.85770]

>>85750

>Completely ignores a Constitution that was written specifically to prevent the federal government from amassing too much power centrally, in order to preserve freedoms like property rights
>Claims others don't understand the basic functions of government

You're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.85780]

>>85762
The FTC isn't the only agency in this country.

And while you say it's not regulation by design, that's exactly what it is when large corporations practically write regulations to protect themselves and to screw the little guy.

Who do you think can afford the fleet of lawyers to bypass regulations? The large established corporation or the fledgling small business who wants to enter the market?

In the end, regulations don't work. The powerful can sidestep them and the small company who wants to try to do right isn't even give a chance. But we're supposed to hail the regulators as saviors? Please nigga.

[Anonymous No.85777]

>>85743

Yes you are right and that is also how Democrats stay elected by creating dependency. I am not encouraging dependency like some of these responders think I have because they are too autistic with Ron Paul ideations fomenting in their uneducated brains.

This comes back to main point about the home and the family unit being imperative for any type of renaissance in America. It's too bad the paultards are going to respond with their, muh ayn rand individualism, muh marijuana, muh freedom bullshit.

[Anonymous No.85782]

>>85761

Now you're just spouting irrelevant hogshit.

You said that when you take away government assistance, people will die. I pointed out that historically, when you take away government assistance, people find ways to assist themselves.

[Anonymous No.85794]

>>85777

If the most prosperous way to run things with through family units, free people will gravitate towards family units.

[Anonymous No.85803]

>>85782
>You said that when you take away government assistance, people will die
Apologies, but I'm not that poster. I'm just pointing out your ignorance.

>I pointed out that historically, when you take away government assistance, people find ways to assist themselves.
Historically, the people attained government assistance through class struggle. IE govt. assistance is the result of them assisting themselves. And historically, TAKING AWAY govt. assistance is also class struggle. The ruling class ends up having to weigh the cost of supporting a poor/useless class, vs. the cost of enforcing a police state. Guess what: the welfare wins out.

[Anonymous No.85810]

>>85770

Yeah you don't understand the basic functions of government. You don't seem to understand that the Senators and Congress, representatives of American citizens, can pass LAWS. Paultards have a habit of reverting back to antiquated and misconstrued concepts of governments and creating healthy societies.

[Anonymous No.85816]

>>85810
>Paultards have a habit of reverting back to antiquated and misconstrued concepts of governments and creating healthy societies.

deviating from them has done the exact opposite.

[Anonymous No.85817]

>>85810
>antiquated

And clearly you have no idea of how the American system works. We have a Constitution that all laws must square with.

We have a Constitution so that we don't end up like some backwards hellhole the likes of which shat you out.

[Anonymous No.85818]

>>85810
out of curiosity, where are you from anon? I'm from America, and I've been arguing against these poltards too.

[Anonymous No.85820]

>>85817
>implying the US government doesn't use the Constitution as toilet paper now

[Anonymous No.85828]

the leftists eventually gave up on /k/

sanity gave up on /pol/

I think the socialists and autarchs from /pol/ will give up here in due time.

[Anonymous No.85829]

>>85820
even if so, doesn't change i thing i said

[Anonymous No.85834]

>>85828
>>85818

waaaaah waaah everything's /pol/

give it a rest

[Anonymous No.85842]

I didn't study economics seriously but i'm gonna pretend I know more about it than anyone else here.

>everyone will think I'm talking about the other team and agree with me

[Anonymous No.85852]

>>85817
Yeah my country sure is backwards. At least I don't have to worry about losing my life savings if I catch a cold.

You're system clearly sucks since America is becoming a dysfunctional hellhole for reasons stated in my first post. Unfortunately Ron Paul's jizz has infected your brain so much that its turned you into a wacko bird.

Canada>America in everything right now.

[Anonymous No.85857]

>>85852
ah, a canadabro.

[Anonymous No.85862]

>>85852
oh boy here we go.

[Anonymous No.85872]

>>85852
BWAHAHAH.

>canada

[Anonymous No.85876]

>>85872
Yeah the country, whose citizens know more about America than Americans themselves know.

[Anonymous No.85879]

>>85876
As you've proven in this thread repeatedly, no doubt.

OTOH, what does that say about your shithole that you're so obsessed with us?

[Anonymous No.85897]

>>85879
know thine enemy.

[Anonymous No.85892]

>>85046
but why do you hate freedom? what we actually need is a smaller government and greater freedom so at least if you don't like your government you are extremely effected ie burden of higher taxes and more intervention

[Anonymous No.85905]

>>85892
*are not extremely affected, shit

[Anonymous No.85907]

>>85897
LOL

[Anonymous No.85917]

>>85598

Fuck off leftist, the adults are talking.

Don't you have some trayvon or gay pride rally to attend too?

[Anonymous No.85915]

>>85879

Again your ignorance and lack of critical thinking only proves you are suffering from Paultardusitus. Hmmmm, two countries that border each other I wonder why the other one is so interested and knowledgeable about our affairs??? I don't think its because we are the most powerful.

[Anonymous No.85918]

>>85915
>I don't think its because we are the most powerful.

Well, then, you'd be mistaken. Like you are about so much else.

[Anonymous No.85929]

>>85918
Read a book you autistic child.

[Anonymous No.85948]

>>85917
>Don't you have some trayvon or gay pride rally to attend too?
Nope, I'm not an identity politics idiot like you.

Anyway I'm gonna go off to bed. This is the least good thread I've seen on /biz/ so far, but it's still bretty gud. Thanks for playing, poltards. I may have called you mean names, but I think this was worth saying all the same. Maybe next time, we will both place more of an emphasis on sauce and citations, and concede more to each other's points.

But here's my last word: I asked from the beginning for examples of "Healthy" right wing economics, per decree of OP. All I got was "Muh free market will fix it" retards. So I think OP failed, and I think you failed. 6/10.

[Anonymous No.85951]

what the fuck is going on here holy shit
keep the newboard clean people plz

[Anonymous No.85952]

>>85929
Oh, recommend me a book, plz. I've heard Noam Chomsky's Patented Dick-Sucking Techniques(TM) is a bestseller.

[Anonymous No.85961]

>>85952
oh dear, here comes the ad-hom again.

hint: any liberal worth his salt knows Chomsky is a hypocritical, useless ass.

[Anonymous No.85964]

>>85948
>I was offered answers that I disagreed with
>no one answered me

All you asked for was shit that met your expectations and confirmed your biases. You didn't get them, too bad.

[Anonymous No.85971]

>>85952
You're autism is showing bro. Go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.85977]

>>85971
Your ableism is showing! You are one prejudiced, sick individual.

[Anonymous No.86000]

>>85977
How else am I suppose to describe Paultards? I already used cretin. Autism, I feel, is inextricably linked to Paultards ratiocination.

[Anonymous No.86003]

>>85803

That is a false dichotomy and you know it. The Third Option is the Get Government The Fuck Out Of The Way (GGTFOOTW) allowing the wealthier to run their businesses and make their investments that cause the economic growth as expressed in GDP growth that makes poor people less poor.

[Anonymous No.86011]

>>86000
Don't try to mansplain your way out of this one. You're an ableist and you need to apologize. Perhaps take a sensitivity training course to rectify your thought.

[Anonymous No.86020]

>>85852

>Canada>America in everything right now.

I am going to laugh myself into kidney failure when we shit all over you in hockey in a couple of days.

[Anonymous No.86041]

>>86020
because sports prove anything?

If you want to play that game, here

Canada 8 gold medals in hockey
USA 2

Suck it!

[Anonymous No.86059]

>>85876

Where you the one treating the Constitution like toilet paper earlier?

[Anonymous No.86065]

>>85892
How do you think the gubment got so big? The uneducated masses have too much political power and have been voting people who expand the welfare state at exponential rates. There waas a reason you had to be landowner to vote back in the day.

Even with voting restrictions if the government was smaller, lean, it would not be raping all of our paychecks with every tax imaginable and we'd have much more freedumz.

[Anonymous No.86078]

>>85948

The problem with 4Chan is that thread appear and disappear, and the rate of response is fairly high. This causes long ass, well cited posts and linking to outside sources and other side to be WAY too burdensome. By the time you've replied, 100 other have already done so and the topic has changed 10 times. There's also the character limit on posts encouraging same.

Obviously, there is some good resulting from the same things, but it's not conducive to sauced essay length posts.

[Anonymous No.86093]

>>86041

>Implying past championships

What's it like being a Maple Laffs fan?

[Anonymous No.86106]

>>86065

>The uneducated masses have too much political power and have been voting people who expand the welfare state at exponential rates

The Constitution was meant to protect against that. Something the idiot Canadian doesn't seem to grasp.

It obviously didn't WORK, because fools like him say "lolConstitution fuck that YAYNANNYSTATE!!1!"

[Anonymous No.86107]

>>85862
Does the person who wrote that image know that medical practice before the turn of the century was completely ineffective and maybe it's ineffectiveness may have something to do with low costs?
Does he realize that he is not giving citations for any of his assertions?
Does that person realize that he is arguing for collective bargaining by worker's unions as a solution to a problem? Do you realize that?

[Anonymous No.86129]

When will the socialists leave?

[Anonymous No.86163]

You guys should read the essay "I Pencil" then ask yourself, how the fuck can anyone think that they can successfully manipulate and control an entire fucking economy?

[Anonymous No.86199]

>>86129
Sorry, Europe is here to stay. And I can't say I disagree at all with the policies here. Holding together for the better of everyone is not weakness.

[Anonymous No.88312]

>>86078
I've been in at least three threads on /biz/ where everyone had the courtesy and good grace to dig up some links. Even if it was just linking to some thinktank.

Anyway, >>85964 still thinks I'm somehow biased for acknowledging that freetards would absolutely ruin the economy and the world. Utter delusion. There's no way to convince a person like that.

>>86199
Thank you based uropoors

[Anonymous No.88381]

>>86199
This, a lot of Americunts complain about taxes and healthcare and "free shit", when taxes aren't necessarily a bad thing. In my country, we pay among the highest taxes in the world. What we get in return is a lower crime rate, higher overall happiness of the population, more jobs and better neighborhoods.

[Anonymous No.88394]

>>88381
>>88312
I'm also Canadian and I think you entitlementfags are full of shit.
>>86199
how's Greece going for you?

[Anonymous No.88408]

>>88394
>I'm also Canadian and I think you entitlementfags are full of shit.
The what's the point of a military? I'll wait for an answer that doesn't also apply to gubbamint health care.

And to think, just yesterday there was an entire thread where everyone was in support of a Basic Income.

[Anonymous No.88405]

>>85014
Maybe if 'healthy right wing economics' wasn't so full of bullshit and proven statistically to fail. And no, I didn't read the thread.

[Anonymous No.88413]

>>86199

>for the better of everyone

That's where you're wrong. European socialists work for the better of the politcial class and the immigrants. Socialists incentivize a race to the bottom because the winners in socialism have to act like locust plagues.

[Anonymous No.88414]

>>88394
It's not entitlement, it's being a decent human being. You're not gonna have anyone to rob when the target population gets eaten away by cancer and disease because they can't afford treatment and non-shit food.
Step it up, goy.

[Anonymous No.88416]

>>88405
Well I'm glad for you, since all that happened in this thread was
>YOU STUPID COMMUNISTS ARE JUST BIASED AGAINST THE FREE MARKET

[Anonymous No.88419]

>>88413
I guess that's why Germany and the Nordic States are the best places on Earth.

[Anonymous No.88424]

>>85488
Neoliberals is the word you're looking for friend.

>let's repeal the Glass-Steagal act

[Anonymous No.88436]

>>85670
People use bring up the race card with food stamps but the majority of people who use them are single mothers, regardless of race.

[Anonymous No.88439]

>>88424
Yeah, but they're Americans, so they don't know what that is. In America, people actually think "Neoliberal" is a word for 3rd wave feminism.

[Anonymous No.88445]

>>88439
I am an American in Texas and the first person to use the word in the thread.

[Anonymous No.88455]

>>88445
Well then congrats and have a hug. I wish I still lived in Austin.

[Anonymous No.88473]

>>88419

Do you even know which party rules in Germany? And Germany's conservative south basically finances Berlin.

[Anonymous No.88496]

>>88473
Uh, a centrist coalition rules there. And remember, the right wing in urop is the left wing in america.

[Anonymous No.88501]

i hate people like this

needless to say this is 100% bait
>nokosage

[Anonymous No.88543]

>>88455
Not Austin.

The problem is that Reagan bailed out America after Carter's mismanagement and that's literally the only idea anyone cares to think of using. Recently the Fed has turned to Hyman Minsky's ideas, we'll see where that goes.

I am a Republican but the reason Moody analysts downgraded us was because of the political brinksmanship with the debt ceiling.

The people who are talking about the debt to GDP ratio in America fail to see that many other large successful economies (Japan, Germany) have large ratios and that we get negative real interest rates from our t-bills. Russia had a very low debt to gdp ratio when it folded, no one thought it was credit worthy. Our ratio has even been going down and people are still whining about it.

No one has ever explained the actual mechanism by which one can default on internally held debt issued in the country's own currency either. The go to analogy is like a credit card that an individual owns except they completely miss the point that macro economics and micro economics are not the same.

In practice the American healthcare system isn't a free market anyway, more of an oligarchy. Switzerland does a better job of having real free market healthcare.

[Anonymous No.89696]

>>85014
Why not market socialism? Maintains a classless society and free markets at the same time

[Anonymous No.89780]

>>89696
Because then Russia comes over and rapes your shit.

[Anonymous No.89811]

How come all I see is people just shouting /pol/ and giving no argument?

[Anonymous No.89814]

>>89780
But it was the U.S who came over and raped them in the end.. Yugoslav NATO bombings ring a bell?

[Anonymous No.89878]

>>89811
cuz you're from /pol/.

[Anonymous No.89906]

>>89814
>US "accidentally" bombs Chinese embassy
>blames old maps
Amazing times.

[Anonymous No.89929]

>>89811
It's because of unbridgeable central differences in the overall doctrine and makeup of the states.

For example: on the surface you'd think Germany and Amurkah woud be pretty similar in politics, they're both nations made of a great many states, with emphasis placed on the differences between them and their relative self-governance, a representative democracy in place and so on. But when you examine the makeup of their constitutions you find key breakpoints thewidth of the great canyon.

To illuminate: In Germany ALL power is exerted by the state. The state holds the so-called monopoly of force, based on the logic that it is the will of the people and the constitution. The singular activist is sidelined, both in light of the rise of the Nazi party in the 30's and the RAF in the 70's.
In America you have "we the people" above all plus "the militia" nailed down in the very constitution. If you took one look towards their popculture you'd realize that it's basically the fucking norm to rebel against authority and call the state shit because it's full of 100% evil people and never trust anyone above you. These two different makeups of the nations make for radiaclly different starting points that can only rarely be unified.

[Anonymous No.90102]

>>85762
>>85703
I don't have the slightest idea of what either of you are talking about, nor do I know who's right. I'm dumb.

[Anonymous No.90130]

>>85732
That faggot was right. You really do need to lurk more.

[Anonymous No.91878]

>>85186
But there's no proof of a soul.

[Anonymous No.91990]

>>85014
Free markets don't work, you capitalist asslicking scum. When the revolution comes you'll be put up against a wall and shot.