/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10045129

Wish I could sell you one, but I'm one of the plebeian masses waiting for a ticket and trying to weight the pros and cons of going.

>>10045626
Any new salt?

am I blind or are the posts regarding the ticket registration and general information about the ticket sale gone?

if this turns out bad you know they will complaining about lack of volunteers like tpc

>>10045681
Yep. Tried to find it the other day and it's G O N E

>>10045708
Does that mean if you haven't registered before you can't try buying a ticket now? Well fuck me for waiting on them revaling all their guests

>>10045756
You need to register to get a ticket regardless, so the post wouldn’t help you. It just told you the tiers and amounts.

I hope it means they are going to repost it with a new info or another way besides an email of the link.

I feel so weird about people immediately jumping in to write posts in the SFE group about how much they love SFE. Its like positively reinforcing their bad behavior in regards to not taking criticism, being dismissive of concerns and talking shit about people on their personal Facebooks.

>>10045756
The post said you could register till March, so I guess that still applies

>>10045681
The post with the ticket tier pricing info is still in the group.

>>10045772
Plus, one is long time friends with K, and the others are German girls probably trying to avoid another ticketgate.

>>10045772
>>10046177
I honestly feel sorry for the ones that actually speak up against them publicly, they seem to get marked as troublemakers the moment they disagree one too many times

>>10046180
(Double post but I want to be clear that I don’t include K in this, though I do think is weird that she got a mail despite being considered an unwelcome shit-stirrer)

>>10046173
but what is the email address? what do you put in it?

>>10046174
>>10046203
Just read the text.

I don't wanna shit stir but it's interesting to know that apparently the British organiser has been offering presale links to some of her close friends... Fishy. I can't verify that though, it's just a rumour floating around.

>>10046273
This sounds fake as fuck. Who is going around saying this? Receipts please

>>10046285
Well if anon has this information then they probably don't wanna out themselves lmao

>>10046287
OR they could be lying to stir shit

>>10046293
Possibly but by posting here it's pretty risky to lie.

did you guys get that crock of shit email?
>you were rude so no more tickets
just admit that you fucks wanted a private party with your friends

>>10046304
Especially they punish us because other persons critize them? WTF?
I just hope many of these "SFE is SO wonderful" posters don't have a ticket yet either.

>>10046302
Literally what is the risk? No one knows who posted it. If anything it's way less credible for being posted here. I'm not happy with what sfe are doing either, but come on, at least there's evidence for the rest of the drama. This is just completely out of the blue and seems ridiculous.

>>10046304
Wait, has there been more instances of this or are you referring to how D and K got their tickets revoked?

>>10046273
>I don't want to stir shit
>I can't verify
>It's a rumour

Why are you posting then?

>>10046315
This is the email that was sent out to people that registered. It was sent today, in the afternoon. I would still like to go, and I hope I can. But the wording of this is confusing to me.

>>10046322
They basically are saying they were planning on adding more tickets and maybe doing something else to make sure everyone can go and had fun. Now they are not. So any talk of adding like more tea party tickets isn’t happening.

It still means there is another sale. You are still able to go. The 2 day crystal dream tickets did not sell out.

>>10046273
Deets or gtfo

>>10046304
Did you get that? What did you do?

>>10046322
What did the first part say? Despite what?

>>10046304
It’s really funny to me how you think doubling down like this is going to help. It just proves their point. I wouldn’t want to organise stuff for people who acted like toddlers.

>>10046322
Also who doxxed them? That's so weird

>>10046348
Guessing she means the wedding pictures she mentioned before?

>>10046347
Well, for me, the only ones acting like toddlers are the organizers themselves. Never seen such an unprofessional email

>>10046351
What is unprofessional about it? Surely keeping attendees informed is what they should be doing?

>>10046358
Whining about the community while there was only reasonable criticism is unprofessional. Also now they punish all lolitas who have nothing to do with the whole drama. And when they really have the problem with the German laws, I really don't know why they don't work together with one of the German Lolita Comms.

>>10046361
It sounds more like they don’t have the people power/ resources to do a bigger event because they can’t get more volunteer organisers to help them. Probably because everyone is shit scared of the way the community behaves.

I wouldn’t be shocked if an org or two has dropped out off the back of this.

>>10046361
What’s reasonable about threatening to sue or doxxing?

>>10046273
How did you know about this though?

>>10046365
I know at least one Comm offered them help, but they refused.
>>10046367
As far as I know they react to the drama from the beginning of the week. And there was no doxxing and and thinking about calling a lawyer after someone refuse to give you your paid tickets is not threatening. The doxxing happened way before, so it can't be the real reason of the mail.

>>10046369
Your syntax really gives away that you’re K, it’s proper funny.

>>10046370
Well I'm not ;') Maybe it's just my shitty german syntax.

>>10046369
Lol those tickets were refunded. No one is keeping the money

>>10046373
Sorry but it's also not possible to give your tickets back after paying, so why it should be okay for the organizers?

>>10046369
The tickets were refunded and the people involved were explicitly told they could still buy tickets in the normal sale. No laws broken, no money stolen. This has been blown wildly out of proportion. I fully blame these two cunts for the fact I’m probably not going to be able to get a ticket.

>>10046375
This is how all events work. Organisers can refuse entry for whatever reason they like. Happens at nightclubs, festivals, concerts, plays. People get turned away all the time (and often without a refund, so these two have actually been extended a nice courtesy).

>>10046376
No, it has not. I'm actually proud of the girls and that they made official statements. Protect the orga if you want, but they behave unprofessional. If you can't deal with fishy lolitas, you should stop doing this. It's a business.

>>10046384
Proud of yourself you mean?

>>10046387
Nice try, gurl.

>>10046384
It's literally NOT a business. Honestly, I'm not trying to defend them and I'm enjoying this whole thing go to hell as much as the next guy, but this is something made for 0 benefit (sometimes even losing money), so NOT. A. BUSINESS.

>>10046391
I haven't said that the event is a business. But dealing with the lolitas is like dealing with customers. So this part is a business.

I still want to go. How can I go?

>>10046397
If you have registered they send you a ticket link.

>>10046393
I know your grasp of English is poor, but this is a really important distinction: this is NOT a business. That would involve profit. Organisation would be a better word in this situation.

>>10046399
Just a quote from the English business dictionary: "Businesses can be privately owned, not-for-profit or state-owned"
Sorry.

>>10046334
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>>10046368
For all the rest of the drama on here, suddently this one is all "Oh so fake! We can't believe baseless lies!" Your samefag whiteknighting makes me believe this more.

55 replies, 20 posters. Just let that sink in.

>>10046368
Let's just say one of the people in the the little group isn't the nicest, friendliest person in the world. Someone who's bitter and has far too much time on her hands.

>>10046418
I believe you, I just really want some solid proof so we can ask about it.

>>10046273
Has she told her friends she has done that or just sent them out silently? I don’t know of anyone personally who got a link who didn’t volunteer or attend all events.

>>10046423
Unfortunately giving proof would mean outing the girl and half the comm who know.
>>10046425
She told them. As far as I know, they had never attended or volunteered.

>>10046427
If she's not the nicest friendliest person in the world, why don't you?

>>10046402
For fuck's sake, three of those are literally a conversation I had with an anon. The rest is all different people though. Is it really that hard to believe that multiple people may want proof of a pretty serious accusation?

>>10046418
Oh come the fuck on. Just post your fucking receipts or go gloat somewhere else.

>>10046427
Did anyone take her up on that offer?

>>10046433
So I was right about half of your posts? That's not great for you.

>>10046432
There would be pretty large consequences. I'm content not causing huge drama in the comm.
>>10046434
No, they politely refused thankfully.

>>10046433
I'm really not gloating, just adding something to the conversation since it seems there's a lot to be suspicious about.

>>10046435
I had a conversation with another anon, you fucking walnut. Samefagging is when one anon tries to look like a bunch of different people. At no point did I do that, and posted I the caps to prove it. Now please provide the caps for your stupid rumours. Oh wait, you won't because you're a fucking coward.

>>10046437
>not content causing huge drama
>causes huge drama by outing one of her friends as a shit talker

The person who told you probably knows who you are, so why not just go balls to the wall and tell?

>>10046437
lol is it a mod

>>10046443
She told a lot of people. I'd just rather not throw literally everyone in the comm under the bus over this. I know it's not worth much but trust me when I saw the British organiser has been offering presale links to her closest friends.

>>10046445
Fake news. Prove it.

Why is asking for proof of something now considered to be on the same line as supporting SFE blindly?

But additionally you will have to be blind to still insist that everything is dandy despite SFE clearly fucking up and can’t bring themselves to fess to it, instead pissing off potential attendees.

Both sides are messed up. Keep going though, I have a lot of popcorn to eat.

>>10046444
That's what it looks like given the avoidance.

Did everyone got this Mail today ? I'm registered but recieved nothing.

>>10046461
so far there was two different emails, sent at different times, one sent to people who had attended an event before and one sent to those who had not after that

I was just pondering about how SFE is going to recover from this shitfest, they aren’t very good at owning up to or covering up any of their mistakes so they keep pissing more and more people off.

Buuuut considering this community has the memory of a seagull all of this will most likely be forgotten and forgiven by the next event kek

>>10046477
There’s only like four people who are kicking off about this and hundreds who are totally fine, so yeah, it’s not gonna cause problems in future.

>>10046477
If they do a good and less exclusive event next time then all will be fine. I don't hold sfe any ill will but they got off on the wrong foot this time and have mishandled. They're not professionals so the PR mess can be understood. We're making a big deal out of all this but it's really not a big deal. There are other events to go to.

>>10046480
Actually it's the other way around. 99% of the people only lurk on the internet, they don't post, and on top of that people are afraid to speak up about ''controversial'' things like this. All of my friends are pissed off about this but they don't go on cgl afaik and they would certainly never make a post about it on facebook.

>>10046482
Same, several people I know have discussed this and are just as upset as most others are but they are:
1. Not very keen on committing social suicide by saying anything publicly
2. While some of them browse cgl, they don't care for posting. The others don't care for cgl at all.

So yeah, a lot of people are pissed off by this. Not because of they're concerned about tickets, but because of how unprofessionally it's being handled.

Welp I feel bad posting this and confirming everyone's fears, but here it goes. It does seem that SFE is becoming more exclusive and purposefully gatekeepy. The events are going to become smaller and more intimate. They're no longer going to concentrate on guests but more on creating a "vacation" get away with friends.

With that, I hope other large event groups like Hellocon and the group in Barcelona take up where they left off. DESU someone else should. These girls seem beat and have all but given up.

>>10046489
"Too big". Well, sure, but if we can have large anime cons, why can't we have a lolita con? There's no such thing as too big.
Intimate events are just comms, surely?
>inb4 lolicon jokes

>>10046487
>>10046482
Obviously there are many reasons to be pissed off. My comm is not happy with the situation either. But still some of the stuff in this thread and the previous one seems flat out unreasonable and vendetta. There are legit concerns and salt and it can be hard to tell the two apart. I'm not surprised sfe is struggling to respond to the criticism. We love to yell about people not taking crit but also not all crit is useful or helpful.

>>10046489
I hope you're all happy now you've ruined things for those of us who haven't been spreading shit and would have liked to go to SFE's events but never managed to get a foot in the door.

>>10046491
Rufflecon tried and died.

>>10046496
At least they tried.

>>10046498
SFE never wanted to be a con anyway. If you want one so bad run it yourself

>>10046489
I literally don’t see the issue with this. I’d rather go to an event with well-dressed friends than have to deal with noobs and weebs who come to big con-like events.

You aren’t entitled to someone organising a big event for you.

>>10046501
I'm a lonelita. I dress well. I've been wearing this fashion for years, have over 1000 followers on IG. I'd love to go to an SFE event but I've been too poor until this time but I'm never going to get my foot in the door now. I think I'd fit in, but I'll never have a chance. That's the kind of thing that bothers people.

>>10046492
Of course, you have to take some criticism with a grain of salt. But atm they seem to really have taken water over their heads and not fully realized that arranging an event is not the same as arranging a meet, because while some of this MIGHT have been acceptable in a private meet (again, MIGHT, depends on the comm), it does not work when you are handling an event where people from all over the world might be interested.

I arrange non-profit events myself, and have done on and off for years, and it's easy to see from some of the organizers reactions that they are panicking because they don't know how to handle the situation now that they're knee deep in a mess they didn't count on due to inexperience. You don't need to have tough skin when you arrange anything, but whenever you do any event available to the public eye YOU WILL GET CRITICISM, whether it's warranted or not. But I AM however confused about how this is seeping out in their every way of possible communication, there has to be someone in that group that can be a calming voice of reason that tell them to calm down and think things through properly?

I don't know anything about the organizers behind the event nor SFE, so maybe some of my points are moot.

>>10046498
So entitled.

I’m almost glad you weirdos have been having tantrums over this, a smaller event means dealing with fewer of you wastes of space.

>>10046500
Not saying SFE needs to be a con. Just saying it's not the worst idea ever. I'm not forcing anyone to make a con, really. And plus, it'd probably thrive best as a multi-fashion con rather than just lolita. If you incorporate other jfashion you could probably get something decent.

But what would I know, I'm just some anon speculating, I've not run anything before.

>>10046501
You don't like the idea, I do. It's called having a different opinion. I'm not entitled, just saying it'd be fun.

And on a different note, if you thought this isn't just the organizers turning round and saying we're not allowed because we're meanies, and they were actually going to do anything anyway, you''re deluded.

>>10046502
>>10046503
I also enjoy LARPing.

>>10046507
Yikes, I guess even somewhat neutral posts aren't allowed in here.

In my entire post I was giving the organizers the benefit of the doubt, is that still not enough for you?

>>10046507
>accusing people of larping when they're being quite constructive in what they're saying and one is even saying she'd like to go to sfe
I'm almost starting to believe the organizers are in this thread. Who else would be this salty?

>>10046507
>accusing people of larping when they're being quite constructive in what they're saying and one is even saying she'd like to go to sfe
I'm almost starting to believe the organizers are in this thread. Who else would be this salty?

>>10046487
My friends are only angry about the tickets and nothing else. Mainly about people who have been to previous events (but did not donate or volunteer) getting access to the pre-sale.

>>10046489
>the group in Barcelona
Afaik the Omnia Vanitas was largely organised by international SFE staff, with only one moderator of the Catalunya comm doing all of the "local" work. There are never big lolita events in Barcelona, maybe you meant the one in Madrid?

>>10046516
Has this actually happened? I’ve seen lots of talk of it but no evidence. I didn’t get pre sale and I had been to 3/4 events.

>>10046501
A lot of lolitas solely to go these events because it's the only time they can shop brand in person.

>>10046506
>>10046500
SFE was initially created to organise big events with other jfashions besides lolita but with a focus on lolita. This is the first year they appear to be trying to be smaller instead of bigger.

>>10046522
People who went to all 4 events got a pre-sale link for sure. Only 1 person in my comm got it.

>>10046512
I mean they have referred to it on their fb pages so they confirmed are at least reading

>>10046522
I know from at least two or three american lolitas who managed to get tickets in pre-sale. And non of them ever was on a sfe event before or never donated.

>>10046531
Caps?
I just don't want more unnecessary rumors flying around, this is already a mess but at least keep it an organised mess so we know for sure what's fact and what's just rumors.

>>10046531
I don't understand why anyone would read cgl if they are as sensitive as this. The WKing has been so obvious, and while some posters have made more serious and personal accusations, even the reasonable questions and concerns are being joked about. It's so unprofessional and not at all what I expected from SFE considering what great stuff they've pulled off in the past.

All people wanted was transparency, and now SFE have made more problems for themselves.

>>10046532
SFE is overrun by fat americans now
look who make the posts in the event group, obese "indie designers" who can't be bothered to update their shops

>>10046538
Low quality posts like this aren't going to get us any answers or explanations from SFE

It is definitely worth asking why so many non Europeans are involved in the organisation though, I've seen US and Aus so far.

>>10046445
Honestly, you mentioned the thing, so you've already done it anyways.

>>10046534
because they want to whine about it in their hugbox and people are so desperate to curry favor they swarm and asspat and tell them they are great and feed their fragile egos, the same as the people writing the public posts shouting about how much they love them

>>10046540
What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall of the London comm rihtg now

>>10046543
We have a group chat and honestly no-one's bothered

>>10046544
Would you tell us if they were bothered however? Are you just saying that.

>>10046546
Look at my face? Is this face bovvered? Tickets, bovvered? SFE, bovvered? I AIN'T BOVVERED

>>10046520
>>10046489
The main organisers were Spanish, but only one was from Barcelona afaik

>>10046546
Literally nobody is talking about it, only cgl.

>>10046544
it's already mentioned up thread why you would not say anything publicly and in a chat that includes an organizer it would be the same as doing it publicly, no one wants to commit social suicide

>>10046527
People keep leaving the orga every year, not surprised they're going smaller

>>10046554
*orgy

>>10046552
Except the organizer isn't in this chat

>>10046543
The London comm stopped giving a flying fuck about K a long time ago desu

>>10046556
>>10046558
>t. not london gulls

>>10046558
lmao Tell me about it

>>10046558
oh? any particular reason? as someone in another comm that isn't something we have any info on and had the impression you all still cared

>>10046562
She still comes to meets sometimes and we still like her but she's no big deal.

>>10046562
Yeah she doesn't do TPC anymore so she isn't really special. She's just part of the comm and quite nice. Like a regular person? Plus there are a lot of new comm members in recent months and they don't really know how big she used to be for the community.

>>10046532
Don’t want to out it or else my ticket goes bye bye.
Are they not going to post the email contents to Facebook page?

>>10046533
Cgl isn't the place for facts dear

>>10046550
No, the main orgsniser of Omnia Vanitas was from the Catalunya comm, the others were from the normal SFE team. The Grand Embassy was in Madrid organised by Spanish lolitas.

>>10046567
Coming here to bitch and spread shit even though you're going yourself... You are a coward and a hypocrite. I hope you get found out and banned from their events forever.

>>10046567
I know how it's going to sound but it's odd how nervous people are about speaking out or publicly ask questions now, not only because there is now a risk of losing tickets but also because of the social throwback. It almost like SFE went from an event-group and turned into the j-fash mafia lol

And before someone gets their bloomers in a twist, I'm joking.

>>10046576
Why? The fact that I feel they handled the situation really wrongly, but can’t speak up at all or else will get a very negative reaction, that’s bad on SFE organizer part. Ofcourse I want to go so I can see friends that live in different country, doesn’t mean I cant be unhappy about the event organization.!

>>10046585
Being unhappy about an event's organization and spreading unsubstantiated rumours about an organizer whom a lot of people have a weird hateboner for aren't the same thing. Smells like a vendetta.

>>10046589
That anon literally only asked a question, how are they spreading rumors?

>>10046489
This here is a perfect example of why people are mad. If you used to organize the biggest events in europe with interesting guests of course people will expect that your new event will be the same. But if you chose to change the format of your event without telling people before hand and just let people wonder about certain things regarding your event of course people will be fucking mad. Why not be like "Hey folks this is our new event, this year we shifted foucs from big event to a smaller more familiar scale!" right when you announce it? Yes, there still would have been complaints about getting too exclusive but thats a thing you decided on and should stand up against instead of whining that people are meanies.

>>10046605
Right, they should have said this from the start.
Example:
>We are making smaller events (for X reason)
>Presale ticket qualifications are X Y & Z
>People need to register in advance and give A B & C information
>Ticket link in advance, with the information that it will be live at X time (to avoid any late received mails)

Simple, clear, professional. Why can’t a group of seemingly intelligent 30something women hash out this details in advance

>>10046489
Intimate events is what local comms are for. This is a cop out. If they wanted to do a smaller event they could've just said so from the start, not everyone would be happy but it wouldn't be so confusing and dodgy and they wouldn't have had so much backlash.

The events don't have to be huge all the time, its just shitty that they created so much hype around the event only to drop this on everyone. They were painting it to be the biggest SFE event yet, or at least the most exciting. I keep wanting to believe that they're not make it super exclusive and inner circle-y, but they keep proving me wrong. I'm disappointed. They should have just been honest from the start.

>>10046613
This would have been perfect! And sure some people might have been salty but they would have been honest about the details at least. If they'd come clean people would've understood.

>>10046532
This.
I know one girl on IG who is friends with one of the organizers and got a link to pre sale. She’s never been to an SFE event, nor has she donated.

>>10046361
The problem is not criticism though. The problem is how it was posted. That girl K posted about how the ticket was late and how IT WAS NOT FAIR and then proceeded to whine about it publicly. And after this, she threatened them with a lawyer. It really makes sense that a lot of the volunteers would say "you know what, fuck it" after that.
And then you had retarded horse girl posting about how SFE is lyiing to us, in a conspiracy kind of tone, to keep fetishists out (when did that become a bad thing?) and criticizing how they are not a real organization. Who cares? Why do you need it to be a real organization in order to host parties for people to gather together? Parties and events are good things in which we get to have fun. The fact that someone organizes them should be enough imho.
I'd honestly not be surprised if this is their final event

>>10046847
This. Yes they messed up many time but the reaction has been really disproportionate and weird.

I feel like what did this is two things. First the long time before they released the location making people nervous and ready to nitpick. That primed the bomb and then the past-attendants only thing confirmed all those concerns and made established lolitas who just hadn't attended before and especially many lolitas from the Euro community feel excluded. It's like a parody of the lolita elitists we all like to say don't exist except it was real life? Kind of felt like if you can't get in you're a loser. Of course people got angry and then sfe seemed like it was scolding them for wanting to go at all.

Everything after that is a lot of action-reaction with bad moves on every side, the worst being whoever sent racist emails and doxxed people and threatened legal action over a stupid email. Of course they would become more exclusive after that, no one would want those people at their event! I also think this could be sfe's last event sadly

>>10046847
>>10046863
You should have posted it yourself publicly if you're so great at it

>>10046884
Posted what? That makes no sense

>>10046886
Criticism. Both of you are ugly criticising things anonymously lol, even s girl who rightfully felt unfairly cheated.

>>10046886
Criticism. Both of you are only criticising things anonymously lol, even a girl who rightfully felt unfairly cheated.

>>10046847
The english orga mentioned under D's post, that the questioning after registration was to make sure that you are " not a predatory old man ". So they seem to have had problems with that.
And the topic with the organization was probably related to the fact that SFE is trying to organize the event privately. As soon as it is considered public in Germany, you have to observe much more laws regarding fire protection, music etc., even if you are a private organizer. So it is understandable that SFE wants to avoid this.

>>10046322
>>10046348
When in doubt, just claim your side was doxxed.

>>10046897
She wasn’t even cheated out of anything ...she got the tickets originally . She just wanted to complain anyways and got herself into trouble over it. And they declined to be civil over email, but wanted to pout some more and make a fb post and blow it up. Referenced the post on insta and made it public on fb. Dumb girls.

Personally I think giving crit is better once it’s all done. A lot of this over reaction is based on things that haven’t happened. Like the idea that anyone could scam the presale didn’t happen. You can’t just buy for anyone and hoard tickets. It wasn’t everyone who went in the past but a few who went to all, etc. Complaining about what ifs aren’t useful crit.

>>10046972
right like where is the proof that happened, I have seen nothing, doxxed where? somewhere no one has seen? what info?

>>10046979
And the girl that was denied access to the ticket sale, cause she had no social media? That's not something that should have been mentioned beforehand?

>>10046979
No, her friend got the tickets because the email was LATE. If she had tried via the late email, she wouldn’t have got the ticket (afaik). So she was complaining about the late email - the rest was overkill desu

>>10047007
it went too far obviously, but the point that if you didn't have a friend to buy and got the email late that you would be potentially screwed is valid, they are always plagued by technical issues every time (TPC as well) when it comes to the sales and they never seem to learn, it's frustrating

>>10046995
She was actually told that if she didn’t want info about her collected they would not do it, but that means they can’t continue with registering her. She was unwilling to prove she was a Lolita. Horse girl just exaggerated the story. Check the email again posted last thread, and check what horse girl said as it wasn’t about not having fb.

>>10047007
She did get her email late, but her friend got her tickets minutes in (and her friend technically said she got it before 7 and she had a ticket at 7:02). She had the tickets the whole 40 minutes she was posting about it being late on the ticket thread. All she needed to post was hey I got my tickets through a friend but my email didn’t show up in time, check on that for text time.

>>10047043
Here is just the part with the email. Notice the email the girl sent us I won’t give you info and then going into this boring cgl argument about laws and stuff. The email SFE sent back was sorry you feel this way and we will not get your info so you can’t register.

We do now know they are making sure ppl aren’t creeps and this person wouldn’t really play ball.

>>10047043
And here is the part where actually they got their tickets at 7:01 actually. She had her ticket and didn’t disclose it and In this situation there isn’t much you can do about when people got their emails anyways but the act was what fucked them. Notice the “how unfair” part too, she wasn’t trying to give crit but to start something.

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>>10047051
Just stop SFE. You are digging yourself a further hole by continuing to try to justify your actions. Calling someone “horseface” is totally professional btw.

>>10047051
Yeah, like honestly... if I just wanted to offer fair criticism, I'd have phrased it differently. The "how unfair" was completely out of place.

Not that it made SFE's response any better. You need to keep a polite at all times as an organization and even if it's not a business, the events are not possible without those who buy the tickets.

>>10047057
Not SFE but that's what she looks like

>>10046979
Actually she could not get a ticket herself. And did she not want one of the early entrance tickets that sold out?

>>10047043
>She was unwilling to prove she was a Lolita.
I remember at Under the Sea they made it very clear that non-lolitas were welcome too. There was even a kimomo fashion show. There was one girl who tried to get in without ticket but she was a lolita.

>>10047051
Are we seeing the same screencap? It's totally reasonable to complain about not getting an email. But instead of saying "we're sorry that happened and we're glad we'll see you there anyway" and admit something went wrong, they're like "you got a ticket so don't bring this up"

>>10047079
I thought the same. The only thing I read is the "how unfair" part, and then SFE complains K is posting repeatedly?

>>10047057
The person who posted about her friend being “denied” had a horse as her fb pic. Not SFE, just trying to not use her name because of cgl rules.

>>10047070
That’s true, I guess maybe the idea is can we verify you somehow? But if you see the SFE email they mention asking about a comm and such. We don’t have the original email asking for info so I dunno if it’s lolita only, I am only assuming.

>>10047068
She got the moonlight ticket until SFE took it away, please read the thread.

>>10047079
She got the tickets. So saying I couldn’t get vip because I didn’t get a link in time isn’t true. It was a what if. I already have an example of how to give concrit, but yes important to note K wasn’t trying to suggest anything but to cause issues. She should have brought it up via email not fb actually, since they said any issues should go to their email repeatedly to people. Complaining on fb wasn’t going to help her get a link.

>>10047096
Her friend got her the ticket, not herself. Next time, read a little more carefully.

Well this is a bummer, I forgot this existed until recently because a friend is attending but obviously I didn't preregister nor do I have any idea where I would've purchased them in the first place. But I don't have to worry since now it's a private thing. Still wish I could've attended, it looked like it was shaping up to be pretty cool.

>>10046972
>>10046988
Doxxed on here, you walnuts. It got deleted pretty quick since it's against the rules.

>>10047057
>>10047066
Nobody is calling her horse face? They called her horse girl because her FB icon is a picture of a horse.
I guess it's a stretch to ask this of you, since you're too busy with the conspiracy theories assuming that anyone disagreeing you must be SFE but maybe you should take the time to learn to read?

>>10047127
what info was given? ofc not asking you to repeat it but an idea of what it was i.e an address

>>10047127
warosu.org/cgl/thread/10045626
The only two deleted posts were dumb low quality bait. And only cp gets permanently deleted from the archives.

>>10047207
>warosu.org/cgl/thread/10045626
It wasn't in this thread, you total moron. It was weeks ago. This thread doesn't predate the mentions of it, now does it?

Keep low-key asking for proof of the doxxing, which is essentially asking for the information in the doxxing, and your posts will continue to be removed because it's against the rules.

>>10047212
>sure jan

>>10047212
So it was before we knew about the weird ticket system..?

>>10047212
>It was weeks ago
>post claims it's on a daily basis
What now?
And yes, I'm asking for proof, not the actual information that supposed to be doxxed. Because that's what people who can't handle critique always do, they play the victim and lie to distract from their mistakes or offering explanations. All your >waaaah stop asking questions won't change that. So what is even supposed to be doxxed?
>also implying I'm the same person who got their reply deleted

>>10047219
Nobody said it was daily.
I'm not the victim here, I'm just trying to keep you from getting the whole thread deleted. It was in a previous thread, relating to German law and the nature of SFE. It's cute that you think the archives won't remove personal information when requested. Your screaming about needing proof isn't going to get you tickets to the event, so you'll have to be autistic at home while those of us who know how to behave enjoy the event without you.

>>10047219
Threatening to sue someone and emailing people the N word aren’t valid forms of critique, friend.

>>10046322
>>10047241
Reread the mail, anon. And don't try to sell us the event as a life goal. Anyone with a little sense should be glad not to have to see the fake smile of the others

>>10047250
The email does not say anyone was doxxed every day. Do you need glasses?

Now I feel a little bad for you though, if you assume that enjoying an event with my friends is nothing but "fake smiles." Maybe your life goal should be to re-evaluate why you even participate in this fashion if you're that bitter about it.

>>10047241
>I'm just trying to keep you from getting the whole thread deleted.
Sure, sure. I just looked through the previous threads that mentioned Träumerei and couldn't find the supposely deleted doxx. And no, several archives won't. I've been here long enough to know that. Just tell the truth, you're only digging a deeper hole with every post.
>Your screaming about needing proof
I'm only asking, but you perceive it as screaming because you're getting defensive for some reason.
>isn't going to get you tickets to the event
I don't attend or care for the event, I just find it entertaining how bad and unprofessional the organizers are. Also again, not everyone who disagrees with you is the same person. This isn't facebook.
>>10047247
So it's the case of only one person threatening to sue and one person calling someone a nigger? Is that the unbearable stress that the post talked about?

>>10047256
>>10046322
>Over the past month, members of our team have been doxxed, threatened with legal action, slandered and harassed on a near daily basis by a small but forcefull section of the online J-fashion community.
>on a near daily basis

>>10047271
In their defence maybe they meant to use an Oxford comma and the clause should be "harassed on a near daily basis"

>>10047241
>calling someone you don't agree with autistic
This is how you know you spent too much time on 4channel

>>10047299
>so mad they start reporting everyone who disagrees with them or calls them out for lying

>>10047285
Even then it's still a massive exaggeration.

>>10047307
Idk what you're talking about since the post you replied to got deleted. It's just not normal or okay to call people autists in that manner.

>>10047311
How do you know? Are you one of the people harassing or threatening lawsuits to have such an accurate sense of the frequency? It hasn’t been that long since the tickets were announced and I’ve seen mention of several incidents on Facebook, and from more than one organizer.

>>10047316
Neither is throwing around the n word and that seems to have gotten at least one post deleted from this thread.

You would think Mana was announced to be giving out lap dances, the way people are losing their minds over this event.

>>10047434
Sorry, I forgot that we're a kiddy friendly space now.

>>10047432
From what was posted here and in the last thread.
If you saw more mentions, post or explain them or else there is no use in posting here about it.
I thought only one person threatened a lawsuit?

There are so many things sfe could have handled better and now they are whining about that not everyone kisses and loves them for what they are doing?
Holding the event as a private one is semi illegal in Germany, it would be difficult to hold that up in court. As private means you have to know everyone, and not by letting them register first.
That might be why they are so sensitive about negativ critisismn and threatening to sue them.
But if you are that sensitive you should not be pissing off people by acting as unprofessional as they did.

>>10047518
Haha, but the way sale is going, they know everyone. Just there friends are attending xD

I honestly think the organisers are exaggerating get sympathy point, I don't suspect that each these claims happened at least once considering how many people they have pissed off at this point. But I stand by my point of them heavily exaggerating for asspats, or because they simply can't handle criticism.

I can try to see if I can find that specific post, but my friend told one of the organisers that they should have been open and/or more clear with what, how and why they were going to use everyone's personal information and the fact that they haven't been open with it until now might, just MIGHT be illegal and that they should just be more transparent next time to avoid chaos like this. The organiser's response was basically "ARE YOU THREATENING TO SUE ME?????"

So...these girls have thinner skin than an peach.

>>10047537
This. I'm surprised at how fiercely and blindly people are defending their actions. If the organisers of any other event behaved like this they'd be a laughing stock.

>>10047537
Well one of the girls in my community had a tantrum and did literally threaten to suit against the organisers, there was a facebook post. Just because you want it to be exaggeration doesn't mean these things aren't happening. It's not just thin skin.

>>10047537
>I think
>my point
>my friend said

Opinions and rumors aren’t facts
Threats of legal action, harassment, and/or doxxing are not appropriate ways to complain about something you don’t like and is more than just “backlash”. The fact they haven’t cancelled the event outright proves it’s not about anyone being “thin skinned.” Lolitas are unbelievably entitled and immature. You don’t have to be lovelies but you also aren’t literal princesses. I think >>10046847 and >>10046979 have a better sense of what’s happening

>>10047580
One case is still not a nearly daily basis. It is still exaggeration.
And if one of the girls really took legal action against the organizers, they would have a really good chance under German law. I really don't understand how SFE can still be defended.

>>10047592
The “nearly daily” clearly refers to the sum total of suit threats, messages, emails etc. of which there are several examples even in this thread. Don’t be willfully dense just to try to make your point stick. This whole thing would be laughable if it weren’t so pitiful

>>10047586
That girl K is not the one who doxxed them or threatened them. She just complained about not getting the link she was supposed to get.

Why do you people care so much? What is the point of all the complaints? Are all of you bitching because you didn't or won't get a ticket? Is being this angry about something this minor some German cultural thing that I don't understand? If you hate SFE so much, make your own events and do it better.

>>10047596
I assume you’re posting to agree with me because this is my point - there are multiple examples of things that are threats, messages, harassment etc

If you were on FB when K was posting you would have seen the barrage of comments she made, many of which got deleted. People were trying to ask questions and comment about issues they were having and getting drowned out by her useless screeching

>>10047597
Yes, of course. Critizing is only a German habit and we are all mad about not getting tickets. Any more prejudices? And we already have better events which are at least legal and without this drama, sorry.

>>10047599
>there are multiple examples of things that are threats, messages, harassment
I haven't seen any.

>>10047563
>how fiercely and blindly people are defending their actions
It's because those defenders are the organizers themselves. Just look at the past post and all the information that is provided (without any proof of course lmao) and the amount of offense the posters seem to feel. It's hilarious.

>>10047594
>total of suit threats
Which was only one person?
>messages, emails etc. of which there are several examples even in this thread
Where? There's no direct harassment in anything that was posted other than calling them unprofessional.

>>10047618
>>10047609
Conveniently ignoring even things deleted from this thread, but I forgot that cgl doesn't consider racism to be harassment

>>10047699
I don't know how to see deleted posts

>>10047699
Earlier points still stands though. How many times has these mentioned racist slurs happened actually? And where?

>>10047699
Getting called a nigger is hardly full blown harassment. It's just a stupid insult.

>>10047704
>>10047207

>>10046373
>>10046375
>>10046376
>>10046379
In german law, once a customers had ordered an paid for something, the seller cannot back out. The seller has to do anything to give the customer what they have ordered. If not, the customer is entitled to not only a refund, but also compensation. So if they had any tickets left, they owed her the tickets.
I know this because I work in online retail and once the customer has paid we're fucked. Fortunately, not a lot of people actually know about this law.

>>10046481
thank you for the voice of reason. They are behaving unprofessionally and fucked up, but that doesn't mean the event is going to be bad or that there has to be tons of drama.

>>10048049
the problem with having all this mismanagement drama before the event will make people look extra carefully at the event. There is no way that this mess didn't put a big dent into their reputation. Everything at the event that might go wrong will be juged more harshly. Things that would have been overlooked otherwise might now become a problem. Especially if they keep up their intransparency attitude.

>>10048057
True, they could have saved it by just admitting that they had problems and simply apologizing. But the way they handled it was just the worst.

Not sure yet if I'll be able to go provided I get a ticket. What do you think are the chances of me reselling it successfully if things go tits up?

>>10048076
I for one would definitely buy it off you if tickets sell out

>>10048076
They usually make a Facebook post where people looking for a secondhand ticket can comment

Anyone waiting on the general sale, don't waste your time all 2 day tickets are sold out

All sold out. Clicked it as soon as I got my link, but it was too late. Oh well.

This is taking the piss, at 19:01 all the tickets apart from the evening only sold out, now the evening only ones are sold out too.
I really wanted to go but this just seems extreme.
Did anyone manage to get a ticket?

4 minutes and still not got my link. What a disappointment

>>10048150
I had it open as soon as I got the email and all 2 day tix were gone only the evening ones were free.

>>10048153
I got the email and 1 minute past

>>1004815
I managed to select the cheaper 2 day one but couldn't go any further to checkout... If you don't live in Germany it doesn't look worth it to be getting the evening ones, that's a lot of travelling for little payoff.

I'm interested in going, but having 180 tickets be gone just like that in just a couple of minutes sounds kinda weird even for a regular event? How many of those are only evening-tickets or were sold or pre-ordered?
Before anyone goes for my throat, I am not hinting at foul play, I'm just curious about the numbers.

I got an evening one but I'm thinking about reselling it. But I sort of feel like there aren't that many that would want that kind of ticket. I just pretty much grabbed whatever was left.

>>10048159
A chunk of the 180 tickets went in presale I think. I would love to know how many tickets were available today.

>>10047706
it's literally hate speech but ok

I got two 85€ Tickets. Others were already gone.

>>10048166
I went for the 85€ ticket, but got this. Wth

>>10048163
Can barely wait for the ticket drama to hit the fan one more time and watch both the community and the organizers freak out at each other again.

>>10048168
same here

>>10048153
Could it be, and this is just a tinfoil, that the evening ones were the most ones left after presale? Hence why barely anyone else got one that wasn't the dreg tickets.

>>10048168
>>10048171

The 85€ tickets showed up for a minute, tried to buy them but they were gone, then my screen looked the same as yours.

>>10048177
I have a feeling that was why there was 2 releases. Give the best tickets to the chosen few and leave us peasants with the scrapings

Not even wanting to go, and I'm just following the whole thing for the salt, but as someone who has organised many events I'm really pissed at the girl saying it's not considerate to sell this few tickets.

All the mistakes the orga has made aside, what is not considerate is to complain about event sizes when people are doing this because they want to give to the community. If you're not happy, do your own events.

>>10048193
Yeah, leave them hold it as big or as small as they want. I just wish there was one release not 2

>>10048194
I agree. I wouldn't have minded missing out if I had the same chance at getting them as everyone else.

>>10048159
SFE events always sell out quickly

>>10048162
What's the difference between the activities in the evening and in the day?

>>10048193
>If you're not happy, do your own events.
The absence of SFE for a year did seem to spawn a few new events so I'm hoping they return next year.

Last time I went to a SFE event, some brand items already sold out to the few people that got early entrance. I wonder if with evening tickets, brands save some stock for the people who can't go during the day, or will they try to sell as much as possible during the day?

>>10048196
>>10048197
they sell out quickly yes and that is fine as long as the playing field is level, it's true that not everyone had the same chance if any chance, many didn't even receive the link email until they had already sold out

>>10048197
Only the Tea party and VIP tickets

>>10048209
But the playing field is never truely level. Previous years, a lot of people couldn't access the website because it was overloaded.

>>10048211
Some of their events didn't have separate tea-party tickets

>>10048214
if everyone is in the same position smashing refresh at least you have a chance, if the tickets are sold out before you even have the link its impossible

>>10048220
Yeah, my link came through at 19:02 so by the time I clicked into it, everything was gone. I suppose I’ll just wait to see if I can get a resold ticket. I can understand wanting to thank last attendees and donators but it seems like the remaining number of tickets for the general sale was really small. Not trying to tinfoil tho.

>>10048220
>>10048230
They send the link to everyone at the exact same time. If you didn't get it on time, you had slower connection than the rest.

>>10048230
My ticket link came through at 19:10 and everything was long sold out.

Like other anon, not trying to tinfoil, but as annoying as that K-chan girl was and how messy her whole complaint was, SFE didn't bother addressing the fact that people didn't receive emails or received them late. They sort of threw their hands up and went "we did something with MailChimp so it should be okay now" but obviously didn't do anything decent to make sure people would actually get a fair chance to get tickets in the general sale.

>>10048236
I still don't understand why they don't send out the link at 7pm but activate the side/ the shop around one hour later. That would would make sure that everyone had the link befor it starts.

>>10048233
Yeah, that’s a possibility. It could have been a good idea to send out the password with yesterday’s email and had the website just go live at 19:00? Not trying to sound bitter; it’s just how I would have handled it. But it’s easier to nitpick when you’re not the one handling stuff like this.

>>10048246
that is valid but they have done this multiple times now and manage to fuck it up every year, it's frustrating that they never learn and there is always issues with the sale

>>10048164
If you want to look at it like that, so is calling someone a dumb cunt. Still not full blown harassment.

>>10048233
I don't think that's how it works, there's nothing wrong with my broadband and my email arrived five minutes late.

>>10048282
It's a matter of the servers of both Mailchimp and your email provider (+ external connections if you use a client such as Outlook), so your connection is somewhat relevant but not responsible for emails arriving late. That's more a matter of Mailchimp, which is not really designed for purposes such as this.As someone said above, they should have sent the email with the link and open the sale an hour later

>>10048207
They won’t, part of the vip is to get early entrance to shop.

>>10048230
To be fair usually people put into their cart and let it expire so you could have had a chance. This time it seems that most completed it so it was hard. I have gotten vip from events by waiting 15-20 for the expiring cart stuff. But I think ppl will resell

I have been reading this topic and noticed some of you bought tickets in the hope to resell this. How are you planning to do this with the new rules on reselling tickets?

>>10048315
What new rules?

>>10048193
It would have been nice to announce beforehand that this event is going to be smaller though? The way they tried to get people excited for the event actually rather made it seem as if it was going to be bigger than the previous ones.

>>10048325
They claimed in a mail that they had plans to make it bigger but changed their minds because people were meany-poos uwu

>>10048323
It’s not new, you can’t resell for more.

>>10048325
It’s also really not confirmed how small or big it was. Just that they aren’t planning on trying to figure out more spaces.

>>10048329
And it was never announced publicly that it was being made smaller.

>>10048325
Months of random tourist trivia did make me think that SFE was leading up for something :/

>>10048272
is this how racists think?

>>10047123
Same, anon. Now looking for other euro events to go to instead...

>>10048362
Keep throwing more buzzwords. Or better, just straight up leave if you're retarded enough to take everything on 4chan serious.

>>10048369
Me as well. But I don't know which guest I would consider worth going for a high price. Maybe Iw

>>10048413
>racist
>buzzword
nayrt but you’re fucking retarded

>>10048337
There is more to it than not being allowed to sell it for more, you also can’t sell it yourself.

>>10048323
You can’t resell your ticket to someone else, you have to sell it back to SFE and they will sell it to the first person on the waiting list. This was to prevent unregistered people from buying tickets/entering.

>>10048561
To correct myself, you have to contact them and they will ask the people on the waiting list for you and if someone says yes, it will be sold to that person. And if there is no one that wants to buy it, you are at loss. From what I understood you can’t really sell it yourself, because of the whole you have to be registered and we have to know who is coming rule. This was in the email about the ticket sales.

>>10048568
Nayrt, but it kinda makes sense from the safety standpoint they've been trying to push. But it's also kinda...convoluted?
What happens if someone forgets about that part of the mail or simply just skimmed through it and thus didn't really pick up on that information, and tries to sell it by regular means?

>>10048579
The safety standpoint thing is bullshit. Events routinely refuse entry to creeps without having a ridiculous ticket system. It was just so they could make it a private party.

Can we talk about they now tell German Lolitas they can still get a 85€ ticket if they volunteer to help on sunday?

>>10048615
Lol, caps? Can't find it on the group

They posted it in a private group of a German Lolita community.

>>10048618
It wasn’t posted in the sfe group but in the group of the local community. This offer is exclusive to those members...

Does anyone know which organisers from previous SFE events are still organisers now?

>>10048653
K and A are still on board, but not idea if Choke or the French girls are there. I think that's it.

>>10048636
>>10048615

Lol that's bs why isn't that open to anyone??

>>10048685
Choke wasn't an organiser

>>10048686
They probably want to meet you beforehand and maybe they only want German speakers

>>10048636
Which group exactly?

>>10048233
that's literally not how email works, anon. the time the email hits your mail server has nothing to do with how fast or slow your own connection is.

this sounds like a shitfest, I'm so glad I have nowhere enough energy or spare cash to throw at events in western europe

>>10048742
Whatever, the point is that they sent it to everyone at the same time

>>10048685
I think you are mixing things up. Choke was involved with AM and the Hamburg event a few years ago. She has nothing to do with SFE.

>>10048685
So only 2 people. Why didn't they just start a new group, instead of using the SFE name for a completely different type of event and less than half of the usual organisers? They even don't use the SFE website anymore

you gulls are sitting here still debating this, meanwhile most people that didn't get a ticket are already jumping ship and joining other European events. And maybe this should just be the normal reaction. Support smaller events, so that we don't have to lick SFE's ass every time

>>10048685
A absolutely should not be involved, she's the one who has been bitching and whining the most and doing really unprofessional posts either as SFE or from her own account.

>>10048785
I agree, I'm so glad other events have started to blossom around the continent.

>>10048785
Myths was an amazing event. Hoping for more events of that size and atmosphere to pop up around Europe.

>>10048785
>>10048806
Make your own threads about them then, instead of going into the one DEDICATED TO THIS ONE EVENT and whine.

>>10048785
What other European events are there planned for next year? I genuinely want to know cause I loved myths also >>10048812

>>10048821
American who attended Eternal Twilight this year. I really enjoyed it!

>>10048753
The point is they knowingly used an unreliable system instead of sending the mail with the shop link earlier and let the shop go live at the given time.

>>10048821
Same here would love to know, myths was great!

>>10048821
>>10049608

There is a group on facebook called Lolita Events in Europe. They have a calendar there with everything available.

Spoiler alert: There is a lot of Triple Fortune in there, I am guessing TF is touring Europe somehow

>>10050144
I guess they are just nice and easy as guest. They interact with attendees a lot and are super sweet. Brialliant Kingdom makes a good evening program too. Idk I'm not even that great fan of the brand but I just love Babi and Kaie and they make me want to buy something from them everytime.

>>10050324
Yeah, they also definitely love visiting Europe esp old historic sites (according to what they said at a Q&A event). And yeah I agree - I don't like everything 3F puts out but they are really fun to interact with.

They just announced Haenuli as a guest

>>10053952
Lame

>>10053952
it's odd that she has been announced later and has lower billing than RoseMarie Seoir, you could argue announcing the other guests first but that one is odd, also a dick move withholding that until after this ticket mess

>>10053952
Super lame. SFE used to have more interesting guests

>>10053952
Thats a big reason to not go.
Traced prints, stolen art,...
Ew no

I'm excited to visit that part of Germany but I'm not really interested in the event itself.. What should I do

>>10055072
Go there and visit what you want to see? I am. Not really getting the question here. The area will be definetly worth a trip.

>>10053952
>>10053981
I'm kinda bummed they announced her so late, judge me all you want, but this is the only guest they've announced so far I've actually wanted to see, but it's way to late to even try for tickets now.

>>10055072
You should just go since you’ll be there anyway. If you have friends going to the event, meet up with them afterwards.

Has anyone here applied to vend and heard back yet? I’m getting a little antsy because I want to be able to get transportation figured out super early if I get into vend. I checked the SFE page and didn’t see any updates

>>10055488
My main reason to go to lolita events is to buy burando in person so I don't know if I should sell my ticket because I'm not interested in Haenuli

>>10055930
I don't have any lolita friends and I don't like being around people I don't know. I'm the type of person that makes close friends slowly after spending a lot of time together.

>>10066856
I'd be interested in buying your ticket depending what type it is

>>10066862
>>10048561

>>10066856
I don’t think they are the only guest ( ate pie at least is going ) to buy from but wait for closer to the event as you may find a diff guest peaks your interest?

>>10066871
Yeah but all the others have been to the previous events just like me and desu they don't exactly release a lot of new things every year

>>10065598
I got a confirmation that they'll reply to me later; I don't think they've done anything with any vendor yet

>>10055488
Which area is it?

Do you think they'll announce any more brands?

>>10072591
I'm hoping for one or two more. I wanna see some Japanese indie like Millefleurs or Vierge Vampur

Why the fuck are the organisers so obsessed with travel tips?

>>10074664
Mainly because they can't announce any more interesting news...?