/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

A lot of new btssb & aatp releases are on point imo
>>10053807

>>10053808

When do IW lucky packs come out? I'm desperate for one

>>10053808
>>10053809
This is so fucking beautiful. I need.

>>10053807
A what point does it stop being considered lolita fashion and just become rococo era historical cosplay? This dress is beautiful, but I think it's far past that point.

>>10053819
When it's not worn and made by lolitas

>>10053810

Pretty soon. They've always had a New Year's pack.

Oddments pack is a different timing though. Not sure when that comes out.

>>10053821
agree

>>10053821
Does that mean if I make goth clothes, they will magically be considered lolita? Brands make plenty of non-lolita clothes that lolitas wear. Your logic isn’t particularly good.

>>10053819
Lolita is literally the re-invention of European historical clothes by Japanese people, so you could argue that it actually makes it more lolita

>>10053844
Some gulls say it's not lolita. Japanese lolitas say it's lolita roomwear, lolita kimono, lolita work clothes, lolita wedding dress, casual lolita, etc.

>>10053808
Fucking give me those socks.

>>10053844
Yeah gothic lolita was created by magic

>>10053844
Fashion isn't a science, there are no strict rules

>>10053808

Regarding the moitie quality discussion in the last thread - someone mentioned something about quality issues with blouses, if you have any further information I'd love to hear it. I recently bought two of pic related (black and white) plus a cardigan from them. I've only worn the white one and the cardigan so far, but I haven't experienced any issues. I'm wondering if these are the specific ones that there were issues with and also would generally love any links to reviews on recent moitie stuff.

>>10053808
I love this. It reminds me of Polish folk clothing.

>>10053863
Tamielove sometimes posts detail pics and short reviews

>>10053870
Well it is called Polonaise Brillante, so no surprise there. I do love that they took the inspiration from the Polish folk clothing, I felt like it would translate well into lolita for a while now, so I’m happy to actually see it done.

>>10053857
There’s no strict rules, but that doesn’t mean you can call everything whatever you want. Decora isn’t Goth, Goth isn’t Fairy kei, etc.

>>10053863
I would like to know more too, cause i fairly recently ordered the long cross OP and found the quality very good and didn't have any issues whatsoever.

>>10053807
I had an expensive order from WW that never showed up, it made it to the States and then hasn't moved from the regional USPS center since October 3rd. I tried going through the post office and they couldn't find it. Should I contact WW? What should I say? I don't want to get banned, it's USPS fault probably. But I do want to get my money or my items, it wasn't a small order

>>10053907
At this point yeah, you need to contact WW and hopefully file for postal insurance. How was it shipped, epacket or EMS? If it's EMS it'll take a while but you will get your money back after a few months, I don't know about if the other way has insurance.

I had a package from IW lost at the beginning of this year. Really all you should do is file for a lost package with USPS detailing what you have on the off chance it was just lost or damaged (you do need to inform WW if it ever does arrive) and then tell WW that your package has never arrived after two months. They'll begin the Japanese side of getting the postal insurance refund. Don't bother calling USPS, it's a pain in the ass to get a hold of a real person, they don't know what you're asking about, you'll be sent around to a million people, and then it turns out that everything needs to be done in Japan.

After this long you're probably out of luck. I'm pretty sure mine was stolen by a postal worker, last ever update for me was it leaving Chicago.

In good news maybe WW will be really nice about it and help you out? IW were super sweet to me, apologised a lot when it wasn't their fault the package was stolen, and even gave me a 20% discount on the entire webstore as a gift. Not to give you expectations of that, but it would be at least a consolation prize if they do something like that.

>>10053885
That's just common sense though. We don't need to write rules about the maximum and minimum amount of historical influence it should have for it to be considered lolita. We can just look at a dress and be able to tell if it's lolita based on how the whole thing looks.

>>10053891
As far as the dresses go, the Juliette OP, the cross OP and to a lesser extent Neo Gothic Arch are all good. I knock a bit off of Neo Gothic Arch because for the second run (2018) they just copy-pasted the inaccurate measurements from the initial release in 2017, and the JSK shoulder ribbons not being sealed against fraying properly. Other than that the dress is fine.

>>10053808
That blouse is out of this world entirely. Love it! But it would only go with about 2 of my dresses. Shame.

>>10053863
I own the black blouse and it’s great. The otk sock lace isn’t as good as it once was, but they are a fine enough quality and I’d rather have new ones, instead of fighting on auctions for worn out used ones.

>>10053809
Ugh the red JSK is gorgeous! I regret asking my fiancé for a Nintendo Switch now.

>>10053844
every time I see this tired ass come back,
I don't roll my eyes or sigh, I just count my time a little closer to the end

should i comment and tell her scalping is not kawaii

>>10053987
Yes. Someone stop her.

>>10053987
Do it anon. I'm with you.

>>10053910
Thank you! I was getting so frustrated at the online USPS form not working that I was about to give up. Glad to hear someone in a similar situation. I am kinda surprised stuff doesn't get stolen more, especially depending on what area you live in. USPS has so many drivers for my route, it's crazy

>>10053987
Lol this ho. I remember someone posting in the general not even two or three threads ago that she was buying it and if you wanted it you should bid. Glad to see the literally bought just to scalp

>>10053808
Mexico-chan coord, here I come <3

>>10054000
>>10053995
i wish i could post the picture of the ww listing on her post

>>10054000
From her LM history it looks like she purchased it from WW for not much less than she is selling it now.

>>10053987
That's a good idea. I always notice when a listing has comments.

>>10054002
How are you getting Mexico from a clearly Polish-inspired dress?

>>10054005
she literally does this with most of her listings. she'll buy them and mark them up 20-50% depending on if it's a coveted piece or if it's rare

>>10053987
Literally the worse colorway with a bunch of missing items that no one gave a shit about and she was literally the only person to bid on? Yeah right. Have fun trying to sell that, especially with a mark up.

>>10054013
This. I was furious she bought a bunch of my items before and resold it. It'd be great if we could block specific buyers.

>>10054021
^ blocking specific buyers and sellers on the circlly website would be a FANTASTIC improvement.

>>10054021
Just put it in your terms that you won't sell to someone you suspect is a reseller.

>>10053996
Damn, if my package sits in customs for more than five days, I call up USPS and keep hitting 0 until I can speak to a person. The online form is useless (mostly automated or copy/paste replies) and you’re probably not going to have anything solved since it’s been more than two months. Be more on top of your situation in the future.

>>10054146
I tried calling and going in person. Nothing worked. I've had stuff in customs for over a week before, surprised you are that nervous. International shipping is often slow for my area compared to normal 1-2 week EMS

>>10054021
i put in my TOS that i have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason

How long does White Rabbit typically take to buy the item you give them off mercari? I'm so worried someone else will buy my number one priority dress before they get to it. It's been three days.

I wonder if LM would consider an anti-scalping policy? (particularly for items that are missing pieces).
Sure there's potential problems, but I feel it would be better for the community as a whole.

i like how tyler actually critiqued outfits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwA5NmYAysE

>>10054285
It would be enough if they'd just warn and ban the usual scalpers and make it clear that LM is for private sales only.

>>10054304
I liked this video. Lor and tyler actually have good chemestry on camera.

>>10054281
Three days sounds ridiculous to me anon. Send her another message.

>>10054281
whoa, trying asking tenshi to get it for you. if you already have money tied up with White Rabbit then tenshi won't charge you until everything is in and ready to ship

>>10054304
I liked Tyler in this, but god Lor has bad taste.

>>10054399
>>10054416
Thank you anons. I wasnt sure if it was normal since I've never used their service before. I'll give them one last email and then try tenshi... one of them has to get it T T I need that dress

>>10053987
when scalpers get damaged stuff from ww do they ever repair or wash them? Just curious, as I actively avoid scalpers

>>10054421
Yeah white rabbit is good as long as it’s not something you think will go quick. Faster services are better for buying Lolita desu, I use white rabbit for anime stuff

>>10054327
Too bad Alice doesn’t give a shit

>>10054011
hmmmmm.... the traditional folk dresses from Oaxaca are the closest I can think of...but that's kind of a stretch due to the floral. Definitely not much like folklorico or those muumuu dresses all abuelitas wear.

>>10054011
I can see it kinda...there are lots of fiesta colors in the dress. Although mainly inspired from polish folk wear, this dress could make a cute fiesta coord huehue

>>10054281
They don't buy anything outside of business hours or on the weekend. Sorry anon.

>>10054485
Oh, that makes sense... probably will be another day then at least if they close in 2 hours and haven't updated... Thank you for telling me, I didn't even think of that.

>>10054327
I don't even want the dress she's scalping, I just think it's a shitty thing to do. Especially when it's damaged and the extra $$ doesn't cover shipping. (though I feel the price WW was selling it for was too much all things considered)

>>10053987
I'm in gemgem's comm irl
I desperately want to say something every single time she actually shows up to a meet, but everyone pats her on the ass for having ~so much brand~, because everyone else in our comm, save for like three other people, are all fat, broke itas

Anyone else shocked AP’s Candy Carol did so well? It’s such an eyesore. I was really disappointed by it.

>>10054563
I’m in the same comm but not a local and I’ve been to several meets over the years. I’m not close to her but she definitely doesn’t get asspats galore. Either you’re new or just a jealous vendettafag else you’d know the older members of the group are just close knit and friends outside of the fashion. Gemgem is also very sweet irl from the few times I’ve spoken with her and just really chill as far as I can tell. Yeah her prices and sales are insane but she’s not done anything that’s really deserving of the shit she gets from people who haven’t even spoken to her at least once. Just don’t buy from her problem solved.

>>10054383
Same, I agree. It helps that Tyler is genuinely a sweet person and fun to be around irl. Lor has bad taste but is also great irl too. I feel like she’s just that type that is really able to vibe with just about anyone in a genuine way.

>>10054285
Someday yes but the issue is that it’s difficult to tell if the seller has ever even used the items. Then you get into having reports against every single person that happens to turn around and sell something every now and then if it doesn’t fit or suit them but sees they can price the piece at a higher value than what they paid. The least that can be done is implement that it’s required that sellers always provide their own proof pictures.

>>10054597
Anon doesn't sound jealous to me, just pointing out that noobs are impressed by brand. If it's KC you're talking about, they do have a lot of itas from what I've seen in photos here. Even the okay dressed girls are nothing special

>>10054597
She sounds like someone in my comm. Doesn't matter that she's sweet, I don't like her because she doesn't have morals and takes advantage of people. Who cares if you're nice to people's faces. Plenty of bitches are.

>>10053808
Literally the only thing I can think of when I see this dress. The video is a little spot on though if you imagine it all as Polish gyaru and lolita.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syMhJMmGEIc

The dress set looks pretty dumb, but the OP looks pretty cute. This is obviously for the Chinese, but I like how unique it is.

>>10054737
Didn't F+F make a dress similar to this?

>>10054002
I say this as a Mexican, this is clearly Eastern European influenced. And please don’t, we are already pegged as a bunch of itas that you would only reinforce that idea.

>>10054805
Who?

>>10054817
fanplusfriend. Has lolita really reached a point where that name is no longer recognizable? I guess with taobao it makes sense...

>>10054829
Nayrt but they are pushing the "Neo-Ludwig" branding pretty hard these days, so noobs might not know

>>10054737
Why is it "obviously" for the Chinese? Qipao influences have been becoming more and more trendy in Japan since last year. Tons of Japanese normie brands have been doing it.

>>10054829
I've never considered fanplusfriend a lolita brand desu

Does anybody know, if the EU - Japan free trade agreement which will be soon finalized and introduced in 2019, will directly affect private persons and maybe even /cgl/ related things too?

Media outlets are saying that "almost all custom duties on both sides" will be dropped with this agreement, but I can't figure out it if these statements are to be taken literal or if it just affects the industry.

>>10054737
Obligatory 'reee get the chinks out of lolita' comment just to piss off every Chinese lolita so they can come here and justify their hideous taste.

However this is fairly cute, unlike the other releases that are meant to pander to them.

>>10054887
I don't know but if it's just for businesses, I hope it helps Japanese brands set up shop here.

>>10054737

The pink one is hella cute, this is something I might actually buy from AP.

>>10054866
Weird, I joined the fashion a few years ago and I only know of the brand because of lolita.

>>10054934
They do tons of costumes, it’s not really Lolita or reputable

>>10054934
I see it as a cosplay shop

>>10054940
I disagree. F+F is kind of like a mature bodyline imo. they made some great things in the past, particularly lolita coats, bloomers, blouses...I haven't looked at their stuff recently since it isn't so much my style anymore (very Elder Scrolls meets Qi fashion) but I think they still do some decent wardrobe staples.

>>10054887
As a UKlita, this is going to kill me. I didn't want brexit, and now this? Going to jump out a tall building.

>>10054829
That's as much a lolita brand as bodyline.

>>10054865
You realize that's for the Chinese too, right... Most Japanese girls won't wear this.

Any recommendations for a moderate poof petti? I want something more suited for daily wear and old-school. From what I've seen the bigger ones wouldn't suit older dresses. The comfier the better.

how is wunderwelt selling this fuck up for 70 USD

>>10055044
I love this desu, if I hadn't already spent my designated lolita budget for this month I might buy it. Elastic looks like it would be fairly easy to replace.

>>10055030
Is it that hard for you to accept Japanese fashion takes inspiration from China and other asian countries sometimes?

>>10054947
They used to do a lot of replicas

>>10054959
Face it, we're screwed. The pound is going to drop so hard so get buying now!

>>10054959
>>10055062
Honestly if I lived in the UK I would be out in the street demonstrating for remain. For the brand.

>>10055055
but they were design replicas, not print. And you can't copyright the design because pintucks and pleats and full skirts were a thing before lolita clothing even existed, I laugh when I see gulls getting mad about them.

>>10055053
What is your point? You asked why it was obviously for the Chinese. Most Japanese girls won't wear it. It's a Chinese traditional design. How is it not obvious?

>>10055097
People don't get mad about design replicas because they think it's illegal, they get mad about it because they like the brands that originally came up with the design

>>10055097
>design replicas, not print
As if that makes them a respectable "brand"? Copying others isn't okay. Legality doesn't equate morality.

>>10054423
Chestnutlili and cherry_sp don't do it, they sell it like they bought it for at least 3 times the original price. Gemgem washes them sometimes.

>>10054737
I'm a die-hard gothic lolita but this is ridiculously cute and soft, it reminds me of little flower fairies. Is this really store-only or will there be a chance to buy it online?

>>10054420
to be fair, the bit was that she HAD to say something nice. some of those coords were painful tho

>>10054416
Anon, thanks for suggesting Tenshi. She replied very quickly and personally and understood the situation, and clarified some things for me. White Rabbit FINALLY replied to me after so much time,and said they have been in contact with the seller, just waiting on a shipping total.

What a headache. I will be using Tenshi's service next time if I can.

>>10054959
Take me with you anon

>>10053987
I just read her feedback on this the other day.
Srly...you are SO happy to scalp it right?

>>10054866
>>10055023
I never called them a brand... but they are quite known in lolita.

>>10055214
Funny thing is, this isn't even the WW set she bought.

>>10054002
Don't. You clearly don't know your own culture.

>>10054959
Brexit was the best thing your country could've done for itself. If you're so fucking shallow that a Japanese street fashion is your reason for giving up numerous rights, then just be an idiot and dive back into one of the various EU countries on fire right now, like France. It's not hard to move.

>>10055226
No one asked for your opinion, burger

Just realised today that the overlay for Holy Wolf isn't going to blur the print, because the gold screenprint is on the overlay itself.

Now I'm the fence all over again trying to decide if I should get it or not.

>>10055286

Forgot the pic

>>10055044

I think the original price was around $250, so $70 is about 1/3~1/4 of the original price. Given the rest of the dress is in good condition except for that one sleeve it doesn't seem so bad.

If you get that the elastic in that one sleeve replaced it probably won't cost much more than $50, which brings the price up to $120. Seems about reasonable for a secondhand solid dress.

>>10055055
>>10054947
>>10054940

This is really funny, because half of Bodyline is costumes, and they've replicated IW's poodle print and AP's fruits parlour, enough to get them banned from AP tea parties for awhile. Bonus for Bodyline that F+F doesn't have though, it's also known as a sex costume shop, which is why in older GLBs you'd find people just say "I forgot" or "from harajuku" when doing their outfit rundown and the item in question is clearly from Bodyline.

There's no point to this, just agreeing F+F is remarkably like Bodyline, though where that puts F+F or Bodyline is up to anyone.

>>10055189

It's this weekend's release, should be available online. Usually they go live on Saturday 12noon Japan time (use a world clock calculater to find the time for your timezone)

There's a black version, but for some reason I feel the black is way sweeter. I think the grey with blue feels sadder somehow.

Thought I'd share here since more parasols is always a good thing.

CCS put out a special line of raffle prize parasols and this ichiban kuji site is raffling them off the end of December.

https://shop.otakuhouse.com/products/kuji-cardcaptor-sakura-charasol-umbrella-br-pre-order?variant=13582978220111

>>10055496
You might be able to work this in a coord but this isn't lolita, barely even lolita-friendly.

>>10055502
I guess for me personally I'd sooner have a cute looking one rather than a normie one, especially when it comes to actual rain use.

>>10054887
>>10054959
As a USlita I always laughed at EUlolitas for their govt imposing ridiculous fees and got annoyed at the shipping costs and how you guys would overprice dresses to get your custom fees back.


Then Trump starts a war with China and shipping is going to be nuts... We are probably not that far off from customs either. Fuck. Bye Taobao, bye giant AliExpress hauls with free shipping.

>>10055504
Or, you know, get an actual brand parasol that's infinitely cuter and works better with lolita's general aesthetic than either of those options. They're not expensive, not even brand new.

>>10055511
I've had bad experiences with brand parasols not working well in rain. They always seem to be marketed towards sun shade than actual weather usage.

Know of any particular rain resistant parasols then?

>>10055515
Lumiebre is fantastic. I own two of their designs and they're comfortable to use and very durable too.

>>10055510
Fuuuuuuuck I forgot that's going on

>>10055520
Thank you!

>>10055515
I had a really lovely IW one... Until my boyfriend borrowed it and left it at his university library.

>>10055286
Do it, anon. Join the frilly wolfpack.

I ordered like 5 pairs of moitie socks and now I'm scared they won't fit my hiker calves. Are they really that narrow? My legs already ruin socks, I thought these would be OK since they are plain.

>>10055515
Lolita Collective's have worked fine for me. They are simpler, but cheaper too

>>10055226
>It's not hard to move
I forgot that uprooting your whole life and going to a place that has a completely different system of life, culture and language is so simple.
Fuck off.

>>10055286
I really want it, but Christmas. If it was ANY other point in the year... However usually I find organza overlays look a bit cheap. I hope this looks better in person.

>>10055226
I wanted to stay in the EU for numerous reasons which are not appropriate for /cgl/ as I'm sure the original anon feels too. The pound dropping and brand getting more expensive is just one of the many shit deals we're going to have to live with.

>>10055510
Well I buy brand exclusively so I don’t have to worry about that shit. Sucks for Taobao fags I guess.

>>10055226
It is very hard to move and get a visa plus work permit when you're from a non-EU country

>>10055515
I have one from AatP that was made for rain, not sunshine

>>10055599
>I buy brand exclusively so I don’t have to worry about that shit

I hope for you guys that dromp is not going to shit in abe's backyard, or things will look dark very fast.

>>10055567
They will fit but be shorter. I thought they were a waste of money, I have nice long offbrand socks and got these after hearing moitie socks were nice and tall ... They are, but only on stick legs

>>10055664
Well no shit, Moitie is intended for elegant slender people.

>>10055510
Good. Maybe you'll stop buying cheap shit from China.

>>10055851
this genuinely made me laugh thanks anon

>>10055715
... That's not what someone posted here though. They said that moitie socks ran big and the print didn't stretch out enough on them because they were too thin.

>>10055905
That must have been about their nylon/tights material socks, sadly. Knitted socks other than Meta will usually be shit on people with thicker calves.

>>10055664
I have close to 14.5in calves and old plain Moitie socks fit me really well

I'm shopping for my first coord on WW. I'm looking for a blouse but the shoulder measurements on most of the blouses I've looked at are too small. ;_;

>>10055939
How big are we talking here?

If anyone's been eyeing Moitie/Sheglit/Abilletage/whatever, looks like Wunderwelt is having a really low ceiling free shipping campaign on the Fleur site on the 15th and 16th.

>>10056026
Somehow missed that it's for regular Wunderwelt too, sorry about that. But probably ordering from Fleur myself.

>>10056010
40cm

>>10056026
Ahh I was planning on ordering the cutsew OP tonight when it comes out. Hopefully it doesn’t sell out instantly like the accessories seem too. I’ve seen a bunch of I hate it or I love it so we’ll see

>>10055515
Lisbeth Dahl has some really cute rain umbrellas too.

>>10053819
The materials, design, and overall styling are lolita not historical. If this were presented as historical costume, historical costumers would rip it apart. It's a lolita dress just longer.

>>10056057
I'm planning to wait and let other people buy the cutsew op first and see if they like it. Hope it works out.

>>10056057
If you do end up getting it, pretty please post your thoughts! I'm kinda on the fence about it and I think a couple other gulls are too.
On one hand it looks like the perfect versatile OP to just throw on but on the other hand I just don't know what the hell is going on with Moitie right now.

Tokyo Rebel just announced their closure.
>It's with a heavy heart but also an eye towards the future that we announce today the upcoming closure of our web store. Accordingly, you can now take a full 60-70% off all remaining clothing items in our store! (Some non-clothing items excluded.)

>It's been a great run, guys - when the store finally does shut down next month, it'll have been just shy of 10 full years. When we opened this store in February of 2009, we had no idea if we'd even last through the month, much less be able to open not one, but two retail stores in Manhattan, New York City - one of the most difficult commercial real estate environments anywhere.

>But we thrived with the help of the community that built up around us, and we made some great friends along the way, both in the Japanese fashion industry itself and among those who directly supported us both at home and through our web store. And of course, there was our excellent shop staff, who always worked as a team and who we knew sincerely believed in what we were doing. We remember every single one of you, and we thank everyone for everything!

>But as they say, all good things come to an end. As you know, we closed our second retail store in March of this year, and we've decided it's now time to fully "graduate" from this store and move on to new challenges.

>Those of you with outstanding gift certificates, please use them before the store closure. We will have no inventory left for you to spend them on after approximately January 15th. (And most items will probably sell out sooner than that.)

>So to remind you, take 60-70% off all remaining clothing and shoe inventory! Finish up your holiday shopping with us, or buy a gift for yourself! Prices are already marked down - no code needed. Hurry, because even moreso than during our usual sales, these items will not be replaced once they sell out! And in most cases, we only have one of everything left.

>>10056026
Whoop, there goes my Christmas money

>>10053856
>Magic
>Not the divine benevolence of our one true saviour
Bitch wut

>>10056178
>if I make goth clothes, they will magically be considered lolita?

>>10056122
not surprised. they closed their physical store back in March. they existed to fill a niche that had yet to mature. they're vastly obsolete in today's market.

>>10056122
>all the good stuff is already sold out
Figures;;

>>10056305
Yeah it all sold out in hours. I got the email at 4 and everything was gone by 8.

>>10056322
I literally checked their stock last week and there was already very little, they haven’t restocked in months.

posting this here for posterity

>>10056408
This thread was closed too quickly

>>10055515
>para_sol_ doesn't work in the rain
Ofc not, that's not what it's for. Brands make umbrellas, I have one from BTSSB and one from meta

>>10055515
Sanrio makes cute rain or shine umbrellas sometimes. I have pic related . I love the pagoda style

What monstrosity is this?!

Who would win? Place your bets!

>>10056922
Can I bet that you're not a lolita?

>>10056924
SC6 only has so many clothing options.

I didn't expect to see Baby at Comicup, it's the most generic comic con China got.

>>10053807
I remember seeing this in the fashion show upload an while ago ( https://youtu.be/IWd1uzNQ1bE ) and thinking “Huh. Okay.”
Seeing it this picture it’s only now hitting me how fucking huge this is like holy shit

>>10057073
The lighting really makes the models look a bit haggard and illuminates their eyebags. Of course they're beautiful women, just this wasn't the lighting for them.

>>10057073
Aside from as a wedding dress or to a photoshoot, I really have no clue what the point of these dresses are. I get that they are beautiful and are obviously somewhat lucrative, but when people buy them, what will they wear them to?

>>10057108
Bragging rights at the next big fuerdai tea party? Though rich Chinese girls seem to be more AP obsessed than anything...

>>10057170
I saw more girls wear btssb than AP when I was in China. American girls are more AP obsessed.

>>10057179
Maybe that's why they try to cater to them so much.

secrets

>>10057377
i feel like a 14 year old lolita at heart has discovered btb and floods the secrets or something. they don't have that signature seagull venom to them anymore.

If anyone is making an order to Lolita Desu, here's my code from the lottery:
HMCB 6263
Put it in the comment field.
Merry Christmas!

I understand not wanting lolita in a cosplay sales group, but why direct people to lolita groups for maid fashion?
That’s just a pain on our end.
if we get an influx of people asking about maid outfits in lolita groups, we know who to blame.

Wasn't sure if this goes in the mail thread or here, so I'm putting it here bc more traffic flow:

I bought a dress off a gull here about three weeks ago and paid it on the date I said I would. two weeks ago, on the particular day of the week this gull said she ships items on. I paid early in the morning, and she didn't confirm she received the payment or email me with a tracking number. I asked if she would send me one once she did, she said she would, and I have not heard from her since.

It has been over a week since I paid it off and another supposed shipping day has come and gone with no word from her. I sent her an email asking if she sent it yet, noting that while I get it's the holidays, she hasn't communicated she would have any delays. She would normally respond within a few hours, and now it's been a day with no reply. We exchanged LMs and she has great feedback, recent too.

I'm not sure what I should do; I would like my dress, I was hoping she'd send it sooner rather than later so it wouldn't get lost in all the holiday packages, but it looks like that isn't happening. She never said there would be any delays ie visiting family etc, so I'm wondering if I should wait another week and if I still haven't heard anything email her again to let her know I'll file a dispute with Paypal if she doesn't get me a #, or if I should do it sooner than that.

I don't want to be a dick but her sudden lack of communication is making me extremely nervous.

>>10057382
That makes me weirdly happy. Maybe I'll send in a couple of cheesy ones next week too...

>>10057073
it looks fairly large in the fashion show too.

Where can I watch Peep TV show, gulls? I've seen screenshots with subtitles but impossible to find it online

>>10057729
>and now it's been a day with no reply.
Christ anon, chill. Not everyone is on the internet 24/7. You have nothing to loose and 180 days to file a dispute. Wait for her reply.

>>10057977
did you not read the part where I said I paid her two weeks ago

>>10058000
Over a week ago.. i wouldnt know that was a full two weeks.

>>10057729
I say to wait. You have to also consider maybe she has a job and at most retail jobs they work you to the bone right now, so she may have actually shipped it but not updated you with tracking. I say wait.

>>10057729
Anon, i hope you truly understand it is holidays— its plain wacky! Just wait it out~~ fufufu.

>>10058000
But you only contacted her a day ago. This is why I said wait.

>>10058078
Nayrt but a week is a really long time to accept people’s money but not give any explanation as to where your item is. Even if it’s just to pop in and say “sorry it’s been hectic I haven’t had a chance to ship the item, but I plan to do it on X- date”

>>10057729
I do not mean to hop on the band wagon desu, but id definitely wait on it a tad longer.

>>10058095
Perhaps, i would wait a little longer, a little bit more time.

>>10058000
The responses you are getting are very weird. I would wait 2 more days for the seller to reply, then remind them that you're within your right to open a dispute within x days.

>>10058110
I agree with this. Also some of these replies read like one anon samefagging. They've all go the same shitty grammar
>I say to wait
>i hope you truly understand it is holidays
>I do not meant to hop on the band wagon
>i would wait a little longer, a little bit more time
just reads as some weird ESL speak to me

>>10058095
OP here, yeah this is what strikes me as odd too. When I'm selling items I always let the buyers know at least like one or two specific dates within a week of their payment when I can ship things out so they have at least an estimate.

The fact that she straight up has not said a single word since I paid her is really bizarre.

>>10058110
>>10058112
Yeah, thank yall for pointing that out lmao it's definitely bizarre. Going to casually ignore those posters and wait maybe a day or two before reaching out to her again that if she doesn't send me a tracking number by the next upcoming "shipping day" that I'll file a dispute.

>>10058168
maybe it's the gull trying to dismiss yr fears, id contact her again in a few days and if she doesn't have it shipped out by new years then i'd file a report

Brand new with double markup or well worn bargain?

>>10058162
Yeah it’s not cool. Did you perhaps set up a reserved listing on LM? At the very least that gives you some protection as you can leave negative feedback. I always do so, even as the seller, not just because if something goes down, they suffer the consequences of public feedback, but also because nothing wrong with stacking up that positive feedback.
Also agreeing with everyone that it sounds like the seller is samefagging it up in here rather then being a decent human and replying to you.

>>10058187
Depends. Rare dream dress, I'd take either. In general I favor bargains though, I'd rather save money and do some repair work. Plus the more money I spend on a dress, the more uncomfortable I feel wearing it. It feels like I spend all my time being paranoid about pulling a thread or staining it, rather than enjoying the dress.

>>10057722

I'm honestly really surprised she banned both maid costumes and animal ears, since there's a crapton of characters that have those, and if you include fanart there's even more.

Most of these kinds of things have some motivator behind them -- lolitas generally view animal ears and maid outfits with disdain because it brings in the really noisy glomping screechy itas who don't listen when you tell them something isn't right (like their outfit isn't lolita). So I wonder if there's something she's trying to keep out.

>>10058000
Chill like a sloth. Itll be fine yo.

>>10058162
Fufufu here, was genuinely replying my response i dont know what rest of that dumpfires about.

>>10055226
Stupid leaver, where are you from? UKIP?

rainies has my DD for a great price. what do i do gulls?

>>10058252
She's obviously not British

>>10058190
Thankfully yes she did set up a listing, so when this ends I'll be able to leave accurate feedback on her profile.

>>10058390
Ignore it and wait until it pops up again for an even greater price, since she bought it for much less she's selling it for

>>10058424
she's selling the set for the price the jsk goes for. I know she got it cheaper but the temptation is a lot...

Does anyone have an example of what tea parties look like on larger feet? I'm US 10 and I want to see whether I'll look like a clown if I buy some.

>>10058390
which dress is it anon? i feel this so hard but i might be able to dig around and keep an eye out for you

>>10058442
That's lovely of you anon, but I should have admitted at first that she's got about 3 dresses that are my dream dresses on there. Thank you though, you're sweet

>>10058441
it's all about the visuals. if you are going to wear your tea parties make sure your skirt has mega poof and that you wear the right kind of legwear that together make your feet look small. I wouldn't wear vertical lines or other leg-slimming designs in conjunction.
>t. a US11/270mm

>>10058441
If you wear a US 10 shoe and are 4 feet tall, your chances of not looking like a clown are slim indeed. If you are 6 feet tall, your odds are much better.

>>10058448
My legs are pretty much the most noticably thin part of me, so this makes me feel like tea parties probably aren't for me. Thank you though anon.

>>10058450
Wait, I actually am 6 feet tall! All hope is not lost!

>>10053807
I don't like the end of the dress. It feels like the last 30 cm is suddenly poofying out way more than the rest.

>rococo era historical cosplay
It would need to at least look historically accurate for that, since cosplay is still meant to look like the original. Not every modern version of rococo inspired dresses is historical wear smartass. No wonder lolita's think it's getting too historical. Doubt they'll know how a real historical dress looks...

>>10053819
>not everything brands make is lolita
You ever thought that also counts for things that don't fall into specific Jfashions or that are still as fancy as a OTT lolita dress? It's not lolita just because BTSSB made it, and honestly, this length will never be lolita.

>>10054805
>>10054829
You mean one of these? I kinda like the left one, but the other two look like shit.

Also, F+F is technically a TaoBao store. They just have an upmarked English site as well, just like Souffle Song.

>>10055023
They are not a lolita brand, just a brand that also makes lolita clothes among others. And they are still better than Bodyline crap, even when far from great...

>>10055510
>As a USlita I always laughed at EUlolitas for their govt imposing ridiculous fees
At least we also have a normal healthcare and schooling system, and our taxes are easily visible. Indirectly you're paying just as much, but it's going all to your stupid army and wars.

>>10055030
Actually Asian-Asians where each others clothes sometimes, it's often seen as respect and appreciation to the other's culture. The only ones who seem overly butthurt over doing that are American-Asians.

>>10058453
If you're 6 feet tall then a US 10 is gonna look relatively dainty even in a potentially clownish round-toed shoe like a teaparty

>>10055515
My BTSSB one works great in rain and wind

>>10058452
you can still create the illusion, anon. git gud, I believe in you

Which colorway is the best?

>>10058565
I like all of them except for green and lavender, they're kinda strange imo but still very cute. I love this JSK a lot tho so I'm biased.

>>10058565
pink or red

>>10058565
I love the lavender! I never got an old school lavender JSK, it's so pretty

>>10058565
God i wanna buy all of the first 3, it's so aesthetic

Hey gulls... what do you usually do on your comm meetings when it's not on a restaurant, but rather on a person's house?

do you just sit and talk?

>>10058620
Depends on who's hosting. My comm has several oldfags so we do "basic" nostalgic things during house meets i.e. watch lolita-friendly movies, look through GLBs, and so on. It's possible to organize special activities for house meets though.

>>10058565
that pretty light green would look dynamite in a country coord

How do I stop myself from being such a brandwhore? It's really limiting me since I don't want to spend money on anything non brand, I feel like my wardrobe is less versatile and good as my peers.

>>10058646
idk you just stop
maybe start by buying non-brand accessories or bags.

>>10058646
but there are so many brands that you can patronize. try branching out to get some good J-indie stuff in your wardrobe?

What are your main styles?

>>10058646
Actually don’t. Having all brand wardrobe feels really good. Plan your wardrobe, define the color scheme and buy basics that work for many pieces

>>10058646
Your wardrobe isn't less versatile because it's all brand, rather because you didn't plan it well.

>>10058646
Give your money to charity

ugh shes amazing

>>10058466
Nayrt, but I do historical reenactment and costuming. And even I think that this is edging on historical. Is it accurate? No. But you know as well as I do that when a normie sees it they are immediately going to think it's a historical costume, and no amount of 'it's just clothes!' is going to convince them it's not.

>>10058714
She's just wearing a full set, am I missing something?

>>10058714
This is messy. Random hair accessory and rings that don’t match theme. There is way too much going on. And maybe it’s the lighting but those heels are atrocious. Also why did you post it on the general? Smells like a self post.

>>10058732
its not a set
>>10058736
posted it cause I like it is all

>>10058683
Amen

>>10058738
I smell a nasty roleplayer.

It would be fun to humor you and explain all of this to you in full but you're not worth it so I'll keep this short.
Milky-chan of the Fawn Applique JSK, Milky-chan of the Fawn Coat, Milky-chan of the Fawn Headbow with ears, Milky-chan of the Fawn Socks. That's a full set, idiot.
You don't post shit just cus you like it in the general thread. Any amount of lurking would have shown you that.

Either way, those shoes and everything except the headbow on her head looks ridiculous. If she can afford a set like this, she should have put more money into the wig and shoes.

>>10058717
What normies think is completely irrelevant

>>10058753
it is the same set my bad misread the description

>>10058565
did reservations really already sell out?

>>10058770
No, I think they haven't started yet. Maybe this Friday.

>>10058486
Yes. That's what my statement means. F+F is not a lolita brand and neither is bodyline.

>>10058738
>because I like it
you have shit taste then

>>10058714
>Wristcuffs are out of place color wise
>Shoes are not appropriate for lolita
>Bad wig
>Colors of accessories don't make sense
>Headbow is stupid
>Ears
>Weird shoop or makeup

Self post or vendetta?

>>10058499
I said most.
I follow Japanese girls complaining about it looking like cosplay for them, but do continue.

>>10058795
Do they also think the qipao inspired clothes from bubbles, sheglit, miho matsuda, listen flavor, wego, katie, jouetie, etc. look like cosplay?

>>10058795
on insta? twitter? post caps

>>10058565
I'm a country lolita so I'd buy the green.

>>10058620
You can have a craft meet, a potluck, watch movies, play games, etc.

has anyone here tried joybank bloomers? what did you think?

>>10053808
I love these dresses. This style is one of my favorites.

>>10058799
Just search 華ロリ+コスプレ on Twitter. A lot of them will come up.

VM has some new items up for reservation until 20th Dec, 1800 JST.

>>10058987
>https://twitter.com/vm_Lumi07/status/1074665109702696962

This unnerves me quite, not gonna lie.

>>10058795
Ya'll don't realize qipao is everyday normal wear the same way lolita isn't cosplay, right? Nothing about qipao is inherently cosplay. Shiny sell-to-tourist-crap excluded, the same way Amazon/Milanoo "lolita costume" crap is excluded

What's the worst that could happen if I buy a really cheap petti?
Sorely no one will notice?

>>10059124

lol how cheap are we talking?

My first babbylita outfit I used the free petticoats that came with some eBay costume. No one noticed all right. I got a lot of comments suggesting where to buy an actual petticoat, they didn't realise I was doubling up on two cheap petticoats because the cheap petticoats did nothing. Nothing. So yeah they didn't even notice it existed, because it was so cheap it did nothing.

The ones less than 40cm long are notorious for causing the lampshade/ jelly fish effect, where the skirt is poofy for like all of however long the petti is, and then there's a sharp droop midskirt where the petticoat ends.

There's a reason most of us stick to lolita brands for our petticoat. If you're wearing AP the quest to find the poofiest petti is a very real thing.

>>10059124
Worst case scenario, it wont give your dress puff even once because it will be too weak to hold up the weight of the fabric. With the average cheap petti, it will just deflate really quickly and the puff it will initially give will be mediocre. So it will be fine for a few uses, but once it goes flat, your dress will look like you're not even wearing a petticoat at all, meaning you'll need to buy a new one again. The quick deflation time of cheap pettis is why it's actually cheaper in the long term to just buy one good petti at the start. More expensive petticoats keep their shape a lot better over time. You don't even need to spend that much for a good one anyway. From what I've heard, bunnyhouse has very good pettis and they are pretty affordable in my opinion (from what I've seen).

>>10059130
>how cheap are we talking?
There are many $8 ones, so I was wondering how noticable the difference to the brand ones is. I thought if there are so many in that price range, surely people buy them?
The description of the shapes helped a lot, thanks!
>>10059132
So I should get at least a decent one or I might as well not get it at all, unless I don't plan on wearing it often. Thanks for the help and recommendation!

What is it about frills?
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE frills and I'm sure most of us do, but why exactly is that?

>>10059182
Other than the fact they look very rich, they're just fun. They're fun to look at and even more fun to wear. That's how I see it, anyway.

>>10059143

Can pretty much guarantee the $8 ones aren't worth it for lolita. They'll either be too flat or too short.

There's a reason lolitas won't even touch them, it's a waste of time and closet space that we'd rather be using on actually useful petticoats.

If you're not a lolita and don't need any of this in particular I'd say just change your costume and do something else. Lolita isn't a hobby you cut corners in, it's very noticeable to other lolitas.

>>10059192
Totally agreed, sometimes I put my frilly dress on and just roll back and forth on my bed, somehow it's so much fun!

>>10059182
They're soft and cuddly and fun to shake around.

>>10059182
i might get hate for this but one of my favorite things to do in lolita is lay on the couch and let my cat come snuggle up with me because she loves my floof
>the perks of being a gothic lolita with a black cat

>>10059283
That does sound comfy, but isn't removing the loose cat hair from the dress a lot of work?

>>10059291
Nayrt but lint rollers do the job of removing cat hair just fine. Anyone with a fluffy pet should have some.

>>10059283
>tfw cavalier king charles spaniel with white and black fur
I can't pet him when I'm wearing lolita and he always looks so sad

>>10058717
AYRT I do. But this is not a normie board and this dress is not advertised to normies unless you count the Chinese richfags who only use the fashion to show they're rich. What uneducated people think is irrelevant to what it really is, and I expect better from lolita's.

People also think videogames and movies have accurate historical clothes while they often have not. Does that make it more historically accurate? No. So to be rococo era historical fashion cosplay (which honestly sounds like a Aliexpress product title) it would still fail. It's still a modern interpretation of a rococo dress.

And I'm still annoyed how anything with remotely historical features get's labelled as "muh, lolita becomes too much historical wear instead of fashion" when it's nothing like actual historical wear and still a modern interpretation based on historical clothing concepts, which lolita always has been. Just because not everything has an overdose of cuteness doesn't make it not belong in the fashion, or Mary Magdalene was never lolita to begin with.

>>10058795
My Chinese friend complains about how much Japanese Chinese clothes look like a costume, and the Chinese brands do better.
They complain because it does look costumey and you western eyes are too dumb too see it different from the non-costumey looking ones so you fawn over that shit anyways. They like the ones that don't look like a costumey mess.

>>10059097
Qipoa is fucking formal if you have a good one, and even in Asia heads will be turning. But do go on how a dress that has to be made to measure to fit well and cost a few honderd to thousand for a decent one is daily wear, even when royalty only owns a few. Traditionally they are real silk only as well, altrough nowadays there are also more simple cotton and such ones. Those are still expansive and formal tho. Beside, qipoa is China's westernised version of qi clothes anyways.

>>10058565
I'll say red and black because I like contrast.

>>10059283
Yes anon me too! My cats love it!

>>10059395
so fluffy

I always said i wouldn't turn out like my borderline hoarder grandma but i worry i might be getting close. I have a room full of nice stuff i hardly go in, a ton of nice clothes i hardly wear anywhere and for a while my shoes were expanding outside o my closet. I recently instituted a self restriction that if i get one item i have to get rid of two items. This is making it easier to let go of old, shit quality items or things i don't use. I'm just glad i managed to work out a system so i don't end up covered in year old newspapers.

>>10059395
>>10059283
I'm kind of jealous of people with cats. Especially black cats. Cats and i just never get along. It's gotta be great getting that goth rep in and having a cute friend.

>>10059412
>Cats and i just never get along
The trick is to ignore them until they start begging for your attention

>>10059395
What dress is that? Jewelry snow?

>>10059412
You just need to learn how to get along with them anon. If you get them young they also bond really well with you. The trick is being gentle and letting them sniff you, don't pet them if they aren't interested.

>>10059415
Yeah, it is! All my cats love it for some reason.

>>10058646
Buy more brand so you have more things? I dunno, I have the same problem. But I also don't want a huge closet full of taobao shit even if it means many more coords. I like fewer high quality things.
So I'll probably just keep being a brand whore and paying $35 for dumb small bows lol.

>>10059414
>>10059433
I have a bird now and a toy dog so i'm past the stage where i can keep a cat i think. I'll keep it in mind, though.

>>10059124
At worst it was made by child slaves and it won't support the weight of your dress after a few wears

>>10058646
>>10059441
You can buy brand skirts for less than 50$ secondhand

>>10058646
>less good
>less versatile

>>10059441
>problem
>paying $35 for dumb small bows

Sounds like you guys are quite contradicting when you also complain you're a brandwhore because brand is so superior. Btw, if you don't buy the cheap crappy brands or the "people known my name so I'll ask double the price" brands there is good quality TaoBao stuff. But suit yourself if you think your 35 dollar bows are superior on all TaoBao brands. Feel free to trow me some "you get what you pay for" while acting like production cost (and shipping back to seller), fabric cost, and the fact the selling price for clothing to be at equilibrium is higher for Japan than in China has nothing to do with it.

Like, I can understand some reasons to like JPN brands more. Consistency, popularity, prefference in style, showing off, feeling more special, supporting the "orginal" brands, custom laces. They are all reasons that can apply to at least some JPN brands. But saying quality is always superior than any Chinese indie brand is dumb.

>inb4 but brands are consistenly good quality and taobao can never compete with that!
>>10056974
>>10056978

Lor uploaded another "fixing your coordinates" and honestly the more she does of these the more I realise her advice is just terrible. With previous videos I thought it was because she was holding back on suggesting changing too many items because she didn't want to seem rude, but here the whole gimmick is suggesting new items to go with the coords and a lot of the ones she picks look so bad. She seems to be clueless that a lot of the stock pics found "from Japanese auctions" are obviously things put on there by dodgy Taobao resellers (was she just searching "lolita blouse" and not the brand names?) and not good second-hand deals on lolita pieces.

I was never one of the people who hated on Lor before, but most of her fanbase is noobs and her misleading them irks me.

>>10059482
I was being a little facetious complaining about the $35 bows. But I have bought a lot of taobao in the past and I just never like it as much. I would legitimately rather have 1 pair $35 btssb bows than 35 $1 taobao bows.
I'll happily admit a lot of it is just a perception filter I have about brand but it also suits my lifestyle that leans more toward minimalism outside of lolita, and a small living space.
But yes sometimes taobao is better than brand and I won't really argue. I know I have some kind of cognitive bias towards burando even when it may not be that different.

>>10058714
>I know this is a vendetta post because why the gen but...
this is actually cute. I like the added pastels among the hairclip and rings as a little departure from the blackXpink. Only thing I'd change is delete those wristcuffs and get a better quality/less-frizzed wig.

Anyone know if she has IG?

Friendly reminder for all the taobao supporters that we all live in a glorious era where brand may cost as cheap as taobao. Having all brand wardrobe is not a big hassle anymore if you can lurk well enough. What’s a point of buying $40 taobao bag when those money can get you brand.

>>10059533
because maybe there's a taobao bag i like better than the brand ones?
there's nothing wrong with owning brand and taobao. especially if you're a daily lolita

>>10059533
I prefer brand, but I still like taobao. Mostly for shoes and bags. It would've made more sense if you said $40 taobao dress vs brand dress

>>10059533
Some times taobao makes some nice original things.

>>10059538
>>10059546
Only if you're not buying replicas. Many don't even bother to research and end up buying a replica anyway.

>>10059548
Doesn't make the quality standards higher.

>replicas are bad

>>10059570
OK there's a big difference between newbies buying replicas off taobao and established Lolitas supplementing their wardrobe with taobao. But cgl hates taobao so /shrug
>not all taobao is cheap garbage FYI

>>10059588
I've seen non-newbies buy bags thinking they are cute and finding out later it's a brand replica. It's easy to do if you don't follow every brand release and the past releases. It's not like they label them as replicas.

>>10059482
I love that you guys always use holy lantern as an example but still can't name any taobao brands that are consistently better than the Japanese brands

>>10058856
I've been thinking of these too! That torchon lace is A+. Can't find any reviews though.

>>10059595
Yeah I remember a rufflechat argument about some taobao brands having more originality, and they posted an ahcahcum muchacha replica as an example. My friend has also accidentally bought a liz lisa bag from aliexpress. General rule of thumb is, if you see something nice on taobao that doesn't have a print, it's a design replica.

>>10059671
There have been multiple times. But there are always idiots who will deny it "because they've seen it in real life and it wasn't as good" without any proof of that. And while I know god damn well the quality of the items in my closet, online it'll stay are endless discussion. Anyone can claim anything, and some braindwhores will just deny it because they can't stand being wrong.

>>10059490
Those are fine reason. I honestly like my brand a little extra too just because it's brand, even when half my closet is taobao. Nothing wrong with that.

>>10059678
I can say for myself that I used to have a wardrobe full of Bodyline and taobao brands that I eventually cycled out in favor of brand, once I could personally compare the different quality and see for myself that I prefer brand. Whether you believe this or agree with it depends on you and there's no point in arguing about it, especially not here where anyone can come in and say whatever they want to fan the flames.

>>10059595
Uh... it's really not hard to tell? The only bag replicas I've ever seen were old AP designs, those MILK heart bags, like three IW designs, and now those gift box AP bags. They always look shitty too, and there are so many taobao stores with higher quality and cuter designs now. It's not hard to avoid as long as you buy from stores that actually make original designs and pictures and not stores that use stolen stock photos. If you can't distinguish between the two you're either a newb or just plain stupid.

>>10059686
Samefag but meant burando replicas when I say "the only bag replicas"

>>10059673
>aliexpress
Then there's the problem. That's also a pretty bad rule. There are probably hundreds of new taobao brands making original bag designs now. Just look at those taobao update pages on facebook

>>10059678
What are the brands? I've purchased multiple pieces from Dear Celine, Lyre Ivy, Yolanda, Pumpkin Cat, Diamond Honey, Chess Story, R-series and they've all been shittier than my AP. Bag quality has been pretty similar, but everything else is worse. The only piece that's ever come close was a Yolanda jsk in terms of construction, but the fabric and print quality was still worse. I still like my taobao purchases but they can't compare.

Why wear bloomer when they shouldn't be visible in the first place? Is it for the feeling of a complete costume?

>>10059706
Bloomers save lifes on windy days. Thay are also comfy, warm and anything is better than having petticoat rubbing directly against your legs.

>>10059706
>costume
At least post this in the stupid question thread. >>10053752

>>10059709
>windy days
I completely forgot about that, my cons have all been indoors so it slipped my mind, thanks!
>>10059710
Sorry, I didn't mean to bully you.

>>10059678
>>10059671

I've seen people recommend brands, but every time they do it they recommend at least one actually terribad brand next to another decent one -- I've seen someone recommend strawberry witch (this used to be a cosplay shop, cmloli, which is still the address for their taobao shop, and their old cosplay lolita products are still up except now they're being marketed as lolita. Like sure, it's so believable that some newb who just recced a cosplay lolita shop as a decent """""lolita""""" brand worth its money while brand is not). Also seen someone recommend Boguta (which is like barely a step above DoL-tier like I don't even what the what now).

At this rate I don't even know whether the people complaining about brand are taobao resellers trying to sucker newbies into buying taobao, or just roleplaying trolls trying to bait with terrible recommendations.

Look, if you're seriously trying to prove that taobao is better than brand, you already agree debating on cgl is a deadend, so I don't know why you'd try unless you're trolling. Probably a better idea is to post your decent taobao coords to CoF and then post closeup photos of those taobao items that you're trying to promote. At least that way people know that (a)you're a real account and not a samefagging troll, and (b)photos speak a thousand words, they can see the quality of the lace and decide for themselves whether it beats brand lace or not, and (c)using your own unshooped photos skips past the argument that all taobao shops shoop their products unfairly and (d)if the brand is that good it should be able to stand up even against burando coords. So that's gonna be a better way to spend your energy than arguing about it pointlessly on cgl.

>>10059706
>bloomers shouldn't be visible
>costume

>>10059132
Has anyone bought BH lately? She went on hiatus after being sick awhile back

I would love to support her. I like the one I got from Brazil but the shipping was so stupid expensing

>>10059712
Oh god it's a con lolita

>>10059706
Bait or not but if you think bloomers are unnecessary there is 99% change someone had to witness you flashing your panties.

its so easy to spot a taobao dress compared to a brand dress, for me personally, it's the art on taobao dresses that really puts me off. Its just so incredibly corny looking compared to brand art also the dresses are always so much more shiny

>>10059727
I felt bad when writing costume too, but English is not my first language and I hoped you'd understand. 'Set'? '''coord'''?
>>10059730
Yes but we have monthly cons here that are more like regular meetups of likeminded individuals, is that better in your book?
>>10059734
It didn't feel that way... but in hindsight I feel kind of paranoid now...

>>10059691
>bag quality has been pretty similar
Lmao brand bags are shit quality-wise and start to peel out over nothing
They come up with cool original designs tho (IW book bags for example), which taobao bags rarely do. Pic related is my fav bag. It's nice, studry and practical, with a lot of pockets.

>>10059686
How do you know those are original designs and not stolen from (small) brands you don't follow? The ahcahcum muchacha replica was also from a taobo shop that used their own pictures.

>>10059768
Neither Liz Lisa nor Ahcahcum Muchacha are small brands. Have you never purchased from taobao before? Look at the lolita update pages on facebook. There are a million legitimate taobao brands out there now. A lot of them are owned by lolitas themselves. The art and the quality might be shitty, but they all have original designs.

>>10059780
I know they're not small brands retard. If lolitas don't even recognise their bags are obviously liz lisa or ahcahcum replicas, I don't trust them to know which taobao shops have original designs.

>>10059792
please be nice to her

>>10059792
>oh no, better call her a retard
Are you going to completely ignore the rest of my post on how there are tons of non-replica bags, then?

And again, if lolitas don't know their bags are replicas, it's because they're newbs or because they're stupid. Not because it's "easy to do" like you implied here >>10059673 in response to >>10059595 saying it's easy for non-newbies to unwittingly buy replicas.

>>10059797
>>10059798
Lmao since when are people such luvlies on cgl?

>>10059799
I never said anything about being luvlies, why are you projecting? Sorry you got outed as a moron who can't tell replicas from legitimate designs.

>>10059798
I'm saying that if experienced lolitas don't even recognise replicas from liz lisa and ahcahcum (why would most lolitas even follow those brands anyway?), why would you trust random lolitas on cgl and taobao facebook groups to recognise replicas from small jfashion brands? Not every taobao shop looks obviously untrustworthy and re-uses brands' pictures. There are shops that don't care if we notice they sell replicas, and then there are shops that spend a few hours on marketing, take their own pictures and steal from unknown brands. I never said original designs don't exist on taobao. I just think most stuff on there is not trustworthy, and I, like many other lolitas, don't recognise every bag release from every Japanese brand ever.

>>10059798
And why should we trust you that everything you find isn't a replica? I have no reason to believe if you don't even provide examples either. Obviously everyone is just stupid since it's so easy to find non replicas.

>>10059780
A while ago there was a China based anon who said a lot of the taobao shops we consider legitimate are not considered legitimate by Chinese lolitas. Maybe the "I'm a lolita just like you guys" persona doesn't hold up there.

All this bitching about replicas, yet I constantly get compliments over their quality.

>>10059570
>Doesn't make the quality standards higher
remember, taobao is just a platform. there are plenty of amazing tiny ateliers that use taobao. That would be like saying facebook lolita is shit, while amazing craftspeople like Linda Friesen utilize facebook to showcase work and take commissions.

It takes a trained eye to wade through the crap but once you find a solid brand it's amazing. Brands (other than Meta, MAM, and AatP) see experimentation as really financially risky. Indie brands can introduce nutty and new concepts, and good indie brands can execute them well. Lolita has contained itself in a self-created box (looking at you, AP) and I think it desperately needs the boundaries pushed to become fashion again.
>instead of a boring, high-waisted chiffon uniform

>>10059747
some people wear lolita even when they don't plan to be around other lolitas...so, yeah.

>>10059826
please tell me you're talking about design reps and not actual replicas.

>>10059748
Isn't that a Kate Spade replica?

>>10059849
So which solid brands have you found exactly?

>>10059813
BerryQ, NaNanS, and To-Alice all have original bag designs for starters. If a store is selling things that aren't obviously 100% designed by them (concept art, consistent models, etc) they probably have replicas. It's pretty fucking recognizable.

>>10059810
All right, I understand the point you're making. But most taobao stores with weibos and designers who post updates are legitimate, and there are quite a few of them. Much more than there were years ago.

>>10059816
Was that anon talking about recognition or replicas vs non replicas? I know Honey Honey is popular among Chinese lolitas and they definitely don't sell replicas.

>>10059736
Same, also the lace often looks a little out of place whether it’s the wrong color, clashing material or it’s awkwardly tacked on.

There’s someone in my comm who’s always going on about Taobao and how she has this special insight into all the amazing indie brands on it because, idk, she has a weibo account and uses google translate I guess? She often claims there are tons of Taobao brands which are just as good or better than Japanese brands, both IRL and on the online comms (and I suspect in these threads because she posts here a lot). She seems to think most people can’t tell that her latest washed out ‘unique’ print is from Taobao but the fact is that yeah we can, but complimenting each other’s coords is simply part of meet-up etiquette. We do it with newbies in Bodyline and F+F too, to make them feel welcome and encourage them to feel confident in lolita. Nobody is going to go up to you and say
>hey that skirt looks like it’s from Taobao I can tell by the cheap polyester and edgy print
because that’s just rude, even if it’s true. I think she’s autistic so it makes sense she’d take things too literally but it’s a bit awkward all the same. It reminds me of people who buy a cheap wig and then think it’s super realistic and fools everyone because some normie asked if it was their real hair. Tip: they rarely ask that if it actually looks like real hair.

>>10060085
Why you gotta drag autistic people into this? People like you will make autist the new retard

>>10059934
That anon here, or similar anon. Reputation of the owners and/or store. Sometimes it's replica related, but also other things like production problems, rude owners with bad additude, overall low quality, etc can drop overal impression of brands, and much of the Chinese complaints don't reach the west.

I don't think I need to explain how production errors and such affect a brand. Or owners attitude, consider this, most indie brands are other lolitas, so these people are part of the community. Even if a dress is ok, would you buy from for example Jessica if you got tons of other options?

>>10060128
Who is Jessica?

>>10060135
Rotting Racist/Poopchan

>>10059866
That looks nothing like Kate Spade.

>>10060128
The problem with Taobao is that there are shops where the owner isn't a lolita/doesn't really understand lolita or is a lolita but doesn't have the skill or eye to design lolita in the first place.
Long Ears and Sharp Ears, for example, is run by a lolita but the designs are atrocious and the quality is below average at best.
>pic related

>>10060096
Lol what? It’s a common autistic trait to take things too literally, it’s not an insult in any way. My best friend is autistic and we have to be careful with jokes and hyperbole around her because she’ll take things as fact when they’re not meant that way.

>>10060781
That's cute

>>10060781
My little brother is autistic and he has sarcastic humor. He also didn't want to see a psychologist and accept who he is, because he thought autism was something very bad and embarrassing, thanks to people online and his gaming friends using it as an insult. He hates when people treat him differently because of his autism, like that anon is doing.

>>10059866
It’s a replica of the sailor moon bag from GU in Japan.

>>10059849
That dress and styling are really ugly, anon. I hope that isn’t your idea of amazing or solid lolita piece.
Especially with those accessories