/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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>>10091705
You can see how current girly styles have evolved from these Western influenced styles. This issue came out in 1984.

>>10091706
Not everything was girly though, it was the 80s after all.

>>10091708
This is 1993 but it still counts.

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>>10091706
I want fun tights like that

>>10091720

This is really neat. You can kind of see how mori and dolly kei evolved from these styles.

>>10091722
Another 90s issue.

>>10091726
The original Kyary? Haha

>>10091729
I’m not 100% sure if this is Olive or not but it’s still cute 80s.

>>10091730
93 but I could absolutely see this being the front cover of a Larme magazine.

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>>10091733
I’ll be back in 45 minutes or so with more Fancy 80s content, but that’s all the Olive I have that’s related to this board for now.

Production still from a 1988 rom com about the music scene in Tokyo

Ok I’m back with some fancy stuff.

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I’m not sure if >>10091750 is actually old or not but it’s still cute.

>>10091753

Please post more because these scans remind me of Pretty in Pink and I want to justify dressing like her

>>10091754
Wink were a popular idol duo in the 80s. They actually partially inspired lolita silhouettes and doll-inspired looks, due to their fashion and “Twin Doll” like performances.

>>10091757
淋しい熱帯魚 is one of their most famous songs, and is covered by idols even today.

>>10091755
Do it!

this is so cute anon! you can really see how many of the things we have in jfashion today have stemmed from this. please post more!

>>10091760
This is also Olive

>>10091763
Continuing with the retro magazines, this is MC Sister, a long running magazine. This particular cover is from the late 70s.

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>>10091765
The model on the right looks kind of eerily like me. There don’t happen to be model creds, do there...

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>>10091774
I think they’d be written down the side but due to the quality I can’t read it. Weird to hear though, at least now you know you could model in Japan? (at least in the 70s)

>>10091778
1972 - May be of interest to you Nanchatte Seifuku fans?

>>10091781
August, 1973

>>10091783
Treat that special someone this Valentine’s day, 80s style.
I’ll stop for now but I still have a lot more if anybody is actually interested!

Would Tomoe Shinohara count here, or is she too decora?

>>10091794
Go ahead, as long as it isn’t anything post-1995/2000

>>10091785
Found this while I was gathering the Olive scans

>>10091781
I love 80s “ivy” style. I follow a few people on IG who still wear it. Pic related

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>>10091800
You may like this.

Amazing thread, OP! Going to dump some personal favorites as well.

>>10091714
I’ve never seen this photo of Jun before, so cute!
>>10091753
It is, these collage-style scans come from BlackXjs on Twitter.

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>>10091811
Thank you! I’m loving your stuff too, it’s nice to see how styles have evolved. Your dump reminds me of Rose Marie Seior and that side of Girly style.

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>>10091759
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Wink, BaBe, Shoujo-Tai... living for 80s girl pop

Requesting more 70s stuff?

>>10092076
Pink Hourse dump.

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1987 shoujo sewing book

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>>10092093

Olive again.

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more of the retro patterns if you have them please

Periodic friendly reminder that the most iconic Ziggy Stardust jumpsuits were jfash masterminded by Kansai Yamamato

>>10092106

Bless this thread

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>>10092151
Something color lessons.

>>10092083
omg I love this photo

>>10092127
yesssssssssssss

>>10092087
That photo is actually from the Pink House Mook which came out in the 2010s iirc.
Still great inspo though!

>>10091831
what brand this?

Does anybody have scans that resemble early / proto lolita fashion? I used to have a few scans on an old hard drive but they're long gone. I've tried to re-find the images many times over the years, but I'm starting to think they're now super-rare. I think they may have come from a very old, long dead egl post back in the day.

>>10092425
I'd be interested if anyone has then too! I always read about how lolita kicked off in the 70s/80s but there's so little in the way of recognisable history to be found. Novala Takemoto claims to be working on something like that, but I don't know if anything will come of it.

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Reminds me that AP was originally named Milk & Pretty but I can't find anything about it in japanese, tried all kinds of spelling but no luck.

>>10092327
Pretty sure it's Pink House.

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Some japanese grandma's inspo book featuring pages of Olive and Junie mid-80s during the "otome boom".

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Some japanese grandma's inspo book featuring pages of Olive and Junie mid-80s during the "otome boom".

More, anons, more! Does anyone have any simple, summery, girly stuff like
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Dress making special.

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>>10092553
More Junie.

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Chewing gum ad.

>>10092546
Where do you find these things? And how do you know it was during the otome boom?

>>10092559
This is giving me such strong mori vibes, I love it.

Oh man I love this thread! Never even heard of this magazine. I've been interested Japanese showa/80s era culture lately.

>>10093119
>how do you find these
With searching for otome boom.
>how do you know it was during the otome boom?
With the articles being exactly about that

I always forget Otomeya is still around, really old otome lifestyle brand that sells everything from handmade hankerchiefs to clothing.
http://www.otomeya.net/

>>10093229
Would you mind translating one of those articles so people stop saying otome kei isn't real

>>10093238
I already posted them plenty of times in the other thread and Google Translate is a thing.

>>10093394
You can't google translate images like that

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>>10093395
The articles in question are links, not images.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQauaPiBmO8

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>>10093398
There was only 1 Japanese article posted and it wasn't really about fashion

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>>10093428
Please explain to me how the links like in >>10093208 are not about fashion.

>>10093440
it's only 1 article and it's more about lifestyle

>>10093451
Because otome as whole is a subculture born from Olive, hence even the jp wiki page saying so.

>>10093453
Also a great book on it
https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%81%A8%E3%83%95%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BD%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA-%E4%B9%99%E5%A5%B3%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AB%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%BC%E5%85%A5%E9%96%80-%E5%B1%B1%E5%B4%8E-%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A9%E3%81%8B/dp/4794965184

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>>10092472
OP here, it’s Atsuki Onishi.

>>10092465
AP was originally called Pretty. Maybe you misread somebody talking about Milk (the brand) and Pretty (AP)?
They were both around in the 90s.

Also friendly reminder not to bring the Otome debate here

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Hanatsubaki dump

>>10094512
Looks like New Romantic fashion was catching on in Japan.

>>10094514
A much older issue for Showa anon.

>>10094518
This looks old but it’s actually 1995

>>10094522
Sayoko Yamaguchi was a popular model.

>>10094528
She can be seen here on the right.

>>10094529
Proof that china style will always be trendy in Japan

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>>10094532
More early-mid showa.

>>10094502
I didn't misread anything, in quite a few older articles on the history of lolita it says that AP was called Milk & Pretty in the 70s.
>The 1970's saw apparel stores such as "Milk & Pretty" selling clothes that...
>Angelic Pretty ( autrefois Milk & Pretty ), par contre, a été créé beaucoup plus tôt ( en 1979 ) mais n'était au départ qu'une simple ligne de prêt-à-porter mignon, bien qu'inspirant déjà les lolitas.
The wiki article on lolita fashion said the same at some point, idk where it came from tho.

>>10093422
Isn't this the idol who killed herself at like 16? I can't remember her name but the story is haunting

>>10094664
Not trying to be pedantic, but it says stores, plural form. It was referencing 2 stores..

>>10092148
Which year is this page?

>>10094664
AP has never been called Milk & Pretty. It was opened in 1979 as “Pretty”.
The article must have misread stuff and printed wrong information.
>pic unrelated

>>10094685
Yep, Okada Yukiko.
She won a talent show but developed some mental problems after falling in love with somebody.
She was found in a closet with slashed wrists after trying to gas her apartment and taken to hospital. She threw herself off a building while her management were trying to cover up the scandal.
She was 18, and “Yukiko Syndrome” was extremely popular for a whole afterwards (where her fans would copy her and throw themselves off of buildings to kill themselves)
Sadly her dead body is all over the internet because some Japanese newspaper published a photo of it.

>>10094848
>The reason for the suicide is still unknown, though it's been speculated it was due to Okada wanting a relationship with Tōru Minegishi, who had previously rejected her. This is due to Okada saying "I thought of someone" when replying to why she tried to kill herself at her apartment and to her manager discovering notes written by Okada describing her longing to be with Minegishi. Some of these notes ended with: "I wanted to see him again" and "My heart has nowhere else to go."

>>10094850
The left outfit is described next to the picture.
>STAGE: (Yukiko’s) trademark is her princess like, fairytale (メルヘンチック) clothing. Floaty items match her perfectly.

>>10094852
https://youtu.be/qXTRh-mFfjk
Her final performance before her death. Compared to her earlier performances, you can see she just doesn’t have it in her anymore.
She was one of the most prominent idols of the 80s, alongside Koizumi Kyoko and Matsuda Seiko.

>>10094688
>plural form
>"Angelic Pretty ( autrefois Milk & Pretty )"
Not sure how "Angelic Pretty (formerly known as Milk & Pretty)" is plural

If any of you happen to be in Tokyo and you want to try and find some of these magazines, I highly recommend a store called Magnif in Jimbocho. I bought some really old Kera, Zipper and So-En there.

Condition varies a lot though, most of them were a bit musty but ok like old magazines usually are, but one of them stank of cigarette smoke so bad when I opened it up I couldn't finish looking through it.

>>10095181
"Milk" is one store, which is still known as Milk today.
"Pretty" is the store that renamed as "Angelic Pretty".

>>10095213
Thanks for the tip. What's the usual price for vintage fashion magazines like this? Not pristine, but ones in fair condition.

>>10095237
It's been a while since I was there so I don't remember exactly, but I think they were around 400 - 700yen each in Magnif? It also depended on how old the magazines were from what I recall, e.g. issues from the 90s were more expensive than the ones from the 00s.

>>10095181
AP has never been called Milk & Pretty, that’s a fact. You can even check the Japanese wiki for AP.

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>>10094538
The former pic is much earlier in time though. It's definitely before 1954 while the latter looks 80s-ish to me.

>>10095525
Yeah, the first one was early showa while the second was mid-late.

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>>10095266
Doesn't change the fact that multiple articles, including wikipedia, said AP was named Milk & Pretty for whatever reason.

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>>10095266
Doesn't change the fact that multiple articles, including wikipedia, said AP was named Milk & Pretty for whatever reason as said in >>10094688 , complain to the writters of those and not me.

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>>10095266
Not my fault when multiple often referenced articles about lolita's history state that AP was named Milk & Pretty for whatever reason as said in >>10094664 , complain to the writters of those and not me.

>>10095697
Omg why are you so defensive? Are you always like this?

>>10095697
The meaning is clearly 2 separate stores: MILK (store 1) and Pretty (store 2)
The frog version fucks it up though, no surprise there

>>10095697
Never heard that before actually

>>10091757
Do you have a source indicating they influenced lolita? Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like more information!

>>10096394
I looked into it a it more and I can only find the English wikipedia page stating that they wore lolita, so I’m wondering if some fan got a bit too excited when he was typing up the Wiki article haha.
They were definitely influenced by lolita (or perhaps influenced lolitas since it wasn’t that much of a style in 1987) since they were known as “Doll idols” due to their lack of expressions and frilly clothing.

>>10096454
The dress on the right reminds me of something AP would release in the early 2000s.

>>10096394
The ex-editor of GLB talked about idol influence and I think Misako did too. Never saw any videos of it though,it was at events I attended.

This art makes more sense after seeing this thread.

>>10091802
This is amazing.

>>10094664
If you can read Japanese you can read part of AP’s history with how it started in 79. This article is from street mode book.

This thread is absolutely fascinating. Thank you everyone who contributed!

>>10106807
NAYRT but this is pretty interesting! It says Pretty was a general cute select shop for Lolita items.
It was only when the customers asked “Why aren’t there any Pretty original items?” that they started their own brand which became Angelic Pretty.

I very much enjoyed the nostalgia and history in this thread.

THANK YOU

>>10091729
>the original Kyary?
I know you were just joking but that title goes to Tomoe Shinohara.
Kyary's whole career was based on her.

I was thinking about posting her fashion but this is an 80s thread and her stuff is mid 90s/early 2000s

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5f8e4

>>10091714
This is such a cute look! It wouldn’t look out of place today at all I think.

Thanks to OP for making this thread,
>>10091745
This is so cute, wtf. Bring back bun covers 2019

>>10091785
Thank you so much for these pics, anon. This whole thread is super inspiring and just a treasure trove of ideas!

https://otome-no-bara.livejournal.com/3065.html#cutid1

>>10093395
Yes you can! There is a photo app for that. It's also called google translate, it's up on app store and play store.

>>10128421
Nayrt but that app doesn't work on my current phone, and isn't available for computer. I used to have a different phone that it did work on, and I used it to translate idol magazines, but it didn't work most of the time because of the Japanese fonts. If it works for you, can you please post it?

>>10128421
Images like >>10092546 and >>10092549 don't work in that app

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Ah darn it! I can try and sharpen the pictures in ps and see if it will work. Might not but gotta give it a go! Otherwise I have a friend who is japanese. Can ask him to translate it.

>>10128466
It’s not worth it, the picture that the original anon attached was just an interview with the model about her time in the magazine and how she’s graduating high school.
Olive has otome (the word otome: girly, maiden) vibes but it isn’t actually called otome.
Nowadays Otome Kei would refer to the genre of anime/games/manga. If you said Otome Fashion people would understand the vague meaning (girly, maiden-like) but they wouldn’t think specifically of the style we refer to as Otome.
I’ll look over the other images but don’t expect much.

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Are literally just a scrapbook, has cuttings from magazines stating where stuff is from and also has a pattern with notes.
>>10092551 states that all girls love bubbles and small flowers.
>>10092554 is classic and romantic.

>>10117788 that magazine came from
before Shinra!

>>10091785
haha this made me think about Super Pig. Really nice