/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Bonnets in general, only a few types have ever looked good on a few people.
OTT attempts that look really cheap and costume-like.

>>10112903
That's a trend? Disgusting. The shoes don't help either, it's like whoever this is tried to combine lolita with nanchatte in the worst possible way.

>>10112903
>>10112904
These are both big moods
Adding: these new kids who shit on me for wearing wigs; I started in 2012 when they were pretty much expected, and I'm not getting rid of my convenient hair hats now

>>10112904
Bonnets are unflattering and ruin coords. Thank you.

Conlitas on the whole. You're not a real lolita if you wear it like a cosplay after your first few times wearing lolita.

>>10112938
Why not? I consider myself a lolita even if I can only wear it at cons, or when I hang with other lolitas. It's not always accepted in daily life.

>>10112903
Trying to mix some kind of decora/menhera/fairy kei clutter to lolita. Most of western people are really bad at these styles anyway and can't make them look good even without lolita.

dreamholic wigs

>>10112966
This. Also add in not always practical. The seeming automatic assumption that an infrequent wearer of the fashion, which usually means big events such as cons, will be a badly dressed mess and a ‘Lolita cosplayer’ so a ‘conlita’ is ridiculous.

>>10112979
"Conlita" doesn't necessarily mean someone who's badly dressed, rather someone who wears lolita like a costume or cosplay than actual fashion. Wearing exclusively OTT, having separate coords that can't be mixed and matched vs. a functional wardrobe, and preparing ~*special*~ coords specifically for conventions like cosplayers do with their cosplays, are some of the few indications of a "conlita". It's not as prevalent as it might seem from what you'd see on cgl, but people like this do exist.

>>10112904
>Bonnets in general, only a few types have ever looked good on a few people.

I feel personally attacked.

>>10112982
bitch I have 108 coords utilizing 108 different main pieces, and I don't mix and match any of them
how about the rule should be; as long as someone is well dressed and therefore not embarrassing other lolitas, who gives a shirring>>10112982

>>10112966
Big agree. Not gonna lie, I’m a shut in, and I only leave my house for work and maybe to hang out like a few times a month. Most of my social interaction is at cons so I usually wear my coords there

>>10112991
Did you miss the word "indication"? None of those things are "rules" by any means, they're just things that might differentiate one wearer of the fashion from another. If it doesn't apply to you, don't take it personally because it's not about you.

Underskirts, especially when worn with older, pre-2012 AP prints. They do not suit 99% of the dresses they’re shoved under.

>>10112982
>having separate coords that can't be mixed and matched vs. a functional wardrobe

Lolita prints are released in matching sets for a reason you walnut.

>>10112904
I started wearing lolita because of bonnets. It's sad they aren't trendy. Btw you're supposed to say something trendy you hate, not something most people hate.

>>10112904
Bonnets aren’t really a trend. They always been consistently worn in Lolita forever, just not everyone does and always been that way.

>>10112903
Brown shoes with EVERYTHING. Or am I imagining this?

Long dresses and most of that OTT classic princess shit Taobao and Baby churns out lately.

It is just not the lolita silhouette and I think they shouldn't be ashamed of just calling it more aristocrat or something instead of lolita.

>>10112966
>>10112979
This is why we don't see you as lolitas. It's my clothing style, saying it's not practical to wear sounds absurd to me. I don't dislike conlitas, I just think they're more similar to cosplayers than lolitas, no matter how good their coords may be.

Shitting on OTT. I don't like it on myself and never wore it, but please let people just wear whatever style they want without making it a contest who is the most true or superior lolita. Especially side-eyeing my fellow old schoolers for it.

>>10113008
You can still mix and match accessories between sets, especially if they have a common motif and colors like berry prints, you walnut. :^)

>>10113016
Nayrt but it can be pretty impractical if your job doesn't allow it

>>10113016
I never said it applied to myself. I know plenty of lolitas, especially older ones, who simply can’t wear it on a super frequent basis. Sometimes things like one’s job, even if they don’t have a uniform or strict guidelines to adhere to, might find that working in ruffles and a petticoated dress just gets in the way, even if it’s a toned down coord. What if they only have a small floor plan where they live and so we’re they to try wearing it about the house they’d forever be knocking stuff over?
Sometimes the occasional meet or big event is all they can make it to as say that’s all the time off they have free, and for them it’s a way to unwind with friends. Heck, even though these big events is usually when people are more likely to go to town with OTT coords, not everyone is into OTT. Big news flash!

Your arguement, along with some of the others here, harkens back to the shit I was seeing back in 2010, except that rather than it being real lolitas vs conlitas, it was lifestyle lolitas saying that you aren’t a real lolita unless you’re a lifestyler.
Things can change. Life happens. Sometimes as well as you get older you might find that your opportunities to wear the fashion might decrease, even though you’re still keeping up with the times, and still have a great wardrobe. Just because one wears stuff not very often doesn’t mean that to that person that it’s seen as a costume. To them, it’s still clothes to them, a fashion, and infrequent wear doesn’t make them any less lolitas. This is what I’ve seen with a lot of my friends over the years.

>>10113024
>>10113039
I never said you have to wear it to your job to be a true lolita. But there are obviously some people who don't wear it in their free time, unless they're going to a con or meet. Cosplayers also have cosplay meets. They have more in common with those people, than a lonelita who wears it whenever she can.

>>10113039
Yes, it is a fashion. If you don't wear it often, it does make you less a part of that fashion. Idk why people get so defensive about that.

spoiled kids getting assmad at lolitas who cant wear the fashion 100% of the time brings me such joy. imagine being so one-dimensional that your entire personality is based around a fashion and the thought of someone having an occupation or lifestyle that isnt exactly the same as theirs makes other women "less a part" of lolita than them.

>>10113023
sure you can, but wearing sets as they were designed doesn't make you a conlita.

>>10113016
>saying it's not practical to wear sounds absurd to me.

this is so funny to me because so much variation exists in lolita. if your favorite lolita style is casual simple coords from leur getter, then it'll be a lot easier to wear than someone whose favorite style is OTT angelic pretty or an OTT classic style.

>>10113072
I'm not mad, I don't dislike conlitas. I don't think I'm better than them. Getting upset when someone points out you don't wear the fashion much is weird.

>>10113024
>>10113072
I don't get why you people always act like you "can't" wear lolita outside of cons and meets. Do you not have free time outside work unless you're going to a con or meet? Just admit you don't want to wear it that often, maybe you like wearing sweatpants Idk. There's no reason to pretend otherwise.

>>10112991
>caring this much about what an anon on an obscure Chinese dish painting forum thinks of your fashion habits...
anon

>>10113078
Thing is though ‘conlita’ as a whole as a term inherently has negative and discrediting associations. You say that you don’t dislike them but using the term itself suggests you do.

>>10113087
now you're just baiting. As if there is nothing else to wear but lolita, and casual as hell sweatpants. Must be nice to be a NEET with mommy paying the bills so you can dress up like a pretty princess 24/7 and look down on others who don't do the same.

>>10113087
unless you have a uniform policy, nothing explicitly says you "can't" wear lolita to work either, but most people don't, because of the effort it would take, because of the nature of their work, because of the reaction it would get from normies.
same with "free time". sometimes common sense comes into play. sure nothing is stopping me from wearing lolita to the grocery store on my day off, but i also know it'll take me longer to get ready, that i don't want to be interrupted when doing my errands, and that i don't want to wear lolita while handling household chores for the rest of the day.

i wear lolita to work (im self employed), and sometimes ill wear it while errand running, and shockingly to meets and conventions. I put effort into my coordinates, my style isn't very casual, and i wear lolita when i want to feel extra dressy and pretty. i could just as easily say that people who insist upon wearing the most sloppy bare bones coordinates just for the sake of being a ~totes legit fulltime lolita~ are cheapening the fashion by making it non special and being lazy. but that would be a stupid argument, so is the conlita argument.

and inb4 "but lolita can be totally daily wearable!! only OTT is unusual to normies REEE", even way back in the early livejournal years people talked about how it was often difficult to wear lolita out due to stares and comments. if lolita is oh so normie it never would've stuck out in the first place as a fashion.

>>10113099
What? I'm saying it doesn't matter if you want to wear other things besides lolita in your free time. I just genuinely do not understand why people pretend they can't wear lolita often outside of work. Why not just say "I'm a conlita and I love it".

>>10113104
the world is cut up into more things than just "work" "free time" and "conventions".

>>10113105
So you agree with me

>>10112903
I'll say the same thing on Rufflechat:
I HATE round wire-rimmed granny glasses.
They can completely ruin a coord and make you look like a grandma. I forgot the name but there was someone on CoF that had so many gorgeous coords, but ruined them with the granny glasses.

>>10113107
you must be extremely privileged and wealthy or something. theres a million things employed adults need to do during their free time that would make dressing up a hassle.

>>10113111
Something being a hassle to you doesn't mean you can not do it. It just means you do not want to do it. It's okay to admit that lol. I'm a working class adult, which means I have 2 days off every week.

>>10113101
No one is saying that lolita is "normie", idk where you got that from. The overall defensiveness in this thread about this subject is baffling though; we're all free to wear lolita whenever we see fit, whether it's daily, on special occasions, or whenever else, but the moment you bring up girls who wear lolita like a costume, you immediately see gulls springing up arguing that they totes have 1000 coords with 1000 different main pieces and are totally not conlitas at all, airing out their insecurities by defending themselves against a statement that wasn't directed at them. That does make me wonder how many actual lolitas we have on this board, ngl.

>>10112904
>OTT attempts that look really cheap and costume-like.
This so much. I see this a lot from cosplayers who migrated to lolita.

Spooky cute style - there are a few exceptions of coordinates I like but it’s so overdone now and I’m sick of it
Jewel tone or classic sweet - Especially new AP prints
Chiffon
Space prints
OTT makeup like gems glued to face
OTT $1000+ dresses they don’t even look like lolita to me anymore
99% of Taobao

>>10113128
>OTT makeup like gems glued to face
This is one is my favorite things to see, is it a trend? I love stickers too.

>>10113087
>Do you not have free time outside work
No, I don't

>>10113116
so what does an "actual" lolita mean to you if youre totally "ok with the fact that people are free to wear lolita whenever they see fit"?
if youre "ok with" conlitas and youre "ok with" casual or non-lifestyle lolitas, then what is an "actual lolita" to you, im legitimately curious.

>>10113131
it hasn't been a mainstream lolita trend in years, its weird to still see it mentioned when its hardly around anymore.

>>10113135
What does being ok with conlitas have to do with my definition of an "actual lolita"? Sounds like you're looking for something to be upset about.

>>10112938
>>10112982
>>10113016
How do you really distinguish if conlitas really "fake lolitas?"
I've seen multiple self proclaimed "lifestyle lolitas" who supposedly wear lolita every day or at least several times a week who own less than 15 main pieces, many of them being shitty handmade or offbrand. But I've also seen "conlitas" or lolitas who don't wear lolita often, only to meetups, etc who own many more. Personally, I only wear lolita once a week (not to cons or meetups though). I own 100 or so main pieces. At least half of that was purchased directly from brands. Am I a fake lolita? Is somebody who owns 10 dresses more of a lolita than me?

>>10113140
Ah, I didn’t mean this kind of makeup.

I meant seeing certain ‘edgy’ mainstream makeup trends with lolita, which I see a lot locally as of late. Blue or lavender lipsticks and such. The gems I mentioned because I saw a particularly jarring example that looked bad irl..

>>10113149
No. Idk why you're bringing up a bunch of random stuff nobody has complained about. It's not about how well you dress or how much brand you own. If lolita is your clothing style, you're a lolita. If you only wear it to cons and meets, you're a conlita.

>>10113155
why would wearing lolita to meets make someone a conlita? back in the day thats why meets were made in the first place, because there is strength in numbers.

you're saying that someone who wears well thought out coords, and attends cons and meet s frequently is still a conlita, but someone who wears shitty coords daily is somehow a real lolita.

>>10112971
I’m genuinely curious. Is this do to a quality issue? I was considering getting a wig from them but now maybe not.

>>10113159
*Does this have to do
Whyups

>>10113148
sounds like you not answering the question

>>10113157
I don't care if you wear it daily or wear it twice a month. I'm saying you're not a lolita if it's not your clothing style. If you need a specific event to wear it, and without a meet or con you "can't" wear it, it's not your clothing style. It's like a social thing or weeby hobby like cosplay. Which is fine. The only reason I can think of why some people get so defensive about this, is that they look down on cosplayers? I don't though.

>>10113105
This person still lives with their parents.

>>10113166
Yes, because if you can wear lolita outside meets you're obviously a child.

>>10113163
have you ever even held a real job or had to take care of real life things or is the world simply your oyster to gallivant about freely in lolita whenever you please? your insecurity is showing in your need to gatekeep from people who do not fit your daily lifestyle.
the entire concept of meets was based around having a reason to wear it that wasnt a typical everyday experience. lolita and harajuku fashion at large was created so that one day a week people could express themselves through fashion you absolute walnut, it doesnt mean its a costume.

>>10113174
I never said it's a costume. I never even said that I look down on conlitas or that they're not well dressed. I just don't believe you can not wear lolita outside meets or cons if you wanted to. I think you don't want it enough and that's okay.

>>10113176
youre just baiting at this point, try harder trust fund kid

Sorry for not relating to people who think it's weird and impossible to wear lolita by myself I guess. I really thought you would have more in common with cosplayers but maybe I'm wrong and you are actually forced by divine power not to wear lolita in your own free time.

cgl will explode when they realize most japanese lolitas only wear it once or twice a week at meetups or hangouts with other lolia friends. or they're all really young weebs who still think japan is a lolita based paradise where everyone is like momoko (who also didn't wear lolita 24/7 due to her school uniform)

for some of us, lolita is just one of the many styles we wear. i like to wear korean fashion and im starting to expand my wardrobe with pieces from liz lisa. sometimes lolita is inconvenient to wear.

>>10113182
That's the spirit. No need to pretend you can't wear lolita more often.

>>10113181
just because i like being a sweatpants wearing gremlin at home doesn't mean im some lolita phony. i don't dress up in my normie forever 21 dresses at home either, does that make me a cosplayer for normie wear too? if i have chores or just want to take a break and watch netflix, or run errands after going to the gym, im not gonna wear lolita.

if you wanna wear lolita at home, fine thats awesome, the more power to you. when i wear lolita i want to dress up and give it full effort. my lolita isn't comfortable to wear when lounging around bc i don't want my lolita to be comfortable, i wear it to feel dressed up and special.

>>10113181
dont be sorry for having an existence so lacking in real-world activity that you can sit in your parents house in lolita all day, youre probably a fatty chan too.

>>10113186
Yes and that's fine. I said from the beginning I just don't understand why people very super defensive about it like it's not possible for them to wear lolita, as if it's not a clothing style and can only be worn to meets or cons. Like this person >>10113188 apparently seems to think it's not normal to have weekends off and wear whatever you want on those days.

>>10113186
Yes and that's fine. I said from the beginning I just don't understand why people get super defensive about it like it's not possible for them to wear lolita in their free time, as if it's not a clothing style and can only be worn to meets or cons. Like this person >>10113188 seems to think it's not normal to have weekends off and wear whatever you want on those days.

>>10113193
Mte. If you love wearing lolita only to cons, I don't understand why it would be offensive to you to be called a conlita. Just have fun with your hobby and stop feeling insecure about what lolitas think.

>>10113074
There was that CoF thread a few weeks back where someone got shit out for wearing a full set. Cgl isn't a hive mind but take the opinions here with a pinch of salt.

>>10113194
Because the term is derogatory by design and everyone knows that.

>>10113181
Honestly, cgl is full of rpers who don't even wear lolita, or own brand but are too pussy to wear it out. I work full time (somewhere that I have a dress code for and therefore can't wear lolita) and I still wear lolita at least once or twice a week, at the weekend or after work. It's not particularly hard and I'm definitely no trust fund kid.

But go off, y'all sound like lovely lor when she complained about lolita being unwearable. It's not, you're just a loser.

>>10113202
So are queer and fatty-chan but people use that for themselves too.

>>10113206
I don't get why you're all so offended that some lolita dresses are uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time.

>>10113193
hi, i didnt say it wasnt normal to have weekends off, im telling you for normal adults weekends are usually when we have the most free time to run errands and take care of things that have built up over the busy work week. most people dont want to run around running errands in lolita, but you seem to be born with a spoon so silver that i doubt youve ever had to. or maybe youre just larping as a trust fund kid. who knows.
gatekeep harder you little crybaby.

Not short blouses that do not reach the wrist. I don know how to call these but they are very ugly

>>10113206
> but go off
oh so youre a darkie-chan, my bad for assuming you were rich

>>10113206
Oh boy, looks like it's time to pull out the bingo cards.

>>10113211
Where? I just see people claiming they can not wear lolita. Sad desu.

>>10113214
Like what things? Please give me a list of the things that take up 2 whole days. Do you have a bunch of kids including a baby? Do you not clean anything or do laundry in the evening on weekdays?

>>10113021
I think a lot of us dislike it exactly because OTT seems like a pissing contest and everyone tries to be Superior and out OTT each other. Personally I like old OTT sweet but OTT with scepters and crowns, etc etc just seems like an out-costuming contest. OTT classic especially looks like a costume. I think it only has a time and place at a big tea party.

>>10113211
Some. Not all. People make a choice whether or not they want to include more wearable lolita clothes - cutsews and cardigans, elastic-waist skirts, loose-fit JSKs or OPs - in their collection. If they do, it becomes wearable on an everyday basis. If they stick exclusively with structured blouses, huge princess sleeves and "let me suck in my gut so I can zip this up" dresses, then yeah, it's not going to be.

>>10113232
even the most comfortable cutsew or loose fit jsk in the world still isn't what i would describe as comfortable loungewear. yeah i could wear a shitty loose taobao jsk and a loose cutsew, and it would be an ugly coordinate. i don't want to half ass lolita for the sale of comfort.

>>10113234
I think sack dresses like pic related are more comfortable than normie loungewear

>>10113234
My baby kamari jsk and a cutsew is honestly as comfortable to me as jeans & a t-shirt. I don't know why people on this board are so determined to declare that lolita always = uncomfortable.

>>10113237
i'd rather wear normie leggings than that hideous thing. and that still has a petti underneath

>>10113238
i don't thin jeans are comfortable at all (they also look awful on me, hence why i don't wear them). clothing being uncomfortable isn't the end of the world. i find most bras uncomfortable but that doesn't mean i don't wear one when i leave the house.

Controversial opinion: I think casual lolita is ugly and I prefer to wear sweatpants on my days off. I like going to lolita meets because it gives me an excuse to hang out at a fancy restaurant with people with similar interests and I get to be surrounded by beautiful clothes. I do not feel motivated to dress up when I visit my family, run errands, or do other things, so I don't. I do not feel offended when someone calls me a conlita, because I could wear lolita more often but I choose not to.

>>10113241
To bounce off your comment anon, I see casual lolita as a theme and not something that is actually casual. A whole coordinate with a cardigan, cutsew, full petti, skirt, matching purse, still many accessories isn't technically casual or anymore comfortable than a full coord with an OP or JSK. Anything actually casual seems so half-assed. If you're wearing ratty sneakers or no petti and not taking time on your hair and makeup just don't bother with the coordinate. Lolita shouldn't be easy to wear. It's a challenge and thats part of its appeal.

>>10113245
Now you're the one gatekeeping. If people want to wear casual lolita without doing their makeup and hair perfectly, that's fine.

>>10112914
>big moods
I'm not a normie, could you explain what you mean by this?

>>10113249
Sure, but to me thats half assing it. Hair and makeup are part of the fashion, its a package deal.

>>10113099
>now you're just baiting. As if there is nothing else to wear but lolita, and casual as hell sweatpants. Must be nice to be a NEET with mommy paying the bills so you can dress up like a pretty princess 24/7 and look down on others who don't do the same.
NTAYRT but yes I'm fucking mad.
I have a full time job where I just got promoted and I wear lolita all the fucking time. I don't wear it to work because there is no point but I will wear it anywhere else.
You don't know shit about this hobby.

>>10113261
Congrats? Do you want a cookie? If you decide to wear it everywhere else that's great. That doesn't make you ~more rori than us~

>>10113262
You can cry about not being able to wear lolita on the internet all day long but people who do wear lolita will always be ~more rori~ than you.

For some. cons or meets are about all of the spare time that one might have that it’s the work or doing errands and chores. Not everyone works a 9-5 Monday to Friday job either. It’s not always - read often - the case, as others have pointed out, that such get togethers exist to be opportunities to get together and wear the fashion out, as they enjoy the social aspect of the fashion as well as the clothes themselves. It’s not that they feel that they can only wear Lolita at cons or meets, it’s that those are the only chances they have to take the time getting ready and say, meet up with others etc. With how delicate some of the fabrics can be, especially when you also have loads of ruffles and lace, and the mounds of layers of petticoats involved, lolita is usually not a super practical fashion to wear, especially the more OTT one goes. This is what some of us are trying to say. It’s not that we believe that meets and events such as cons are the only times it’s permissible to wear lolita, they’re the only chances, along with ‘special’ / irregular occasions such as dates, or a fancy meal out, we have to do so, for whatever reason.

As another anon pointed out, the term conlita is derogatory and implies that someone who only gets to wear lolita infrequently, such as at meets or events, is less of a lolita, even if they are well dressed and have a good, functional, wardrobe, even if they don’t wear OTT. Too often all of these things get conflated together and described as being things that will only happen together. Such as someone who only wears lolita occasionally will only wear OTT coords. It’s not the case. Take care with defining things as mutually exclusive and fixed like that.

>>10113262
In my mind, someone who is actively wearing the fashion, putting it on at all spare times, going out of their way to make time to wear it more, finding the energy or dedication to put it on while others just give excuses "weekends is for errands and I can't wear it" "I'm just too tired" "Normal humans like being comfortable"... is definitely more of a lolita than one who just makes excuses about NOT wearing it.

>>10113265
i do wear lolita, to work and to meetups but because i'm not wearing at home or to pick up bread and milk according to you i'm apparently a fake conlita

Who told you that having a life outside Lolita makes you less Lolita? Two other people have pointed out to you that the fashion itself wasn't even founded in every day wear. If it's something you want to do then fine, but it being impractical for others doesn't really give you a high horse to sit on. You just sound bitter and spoiled.

>>10113274
they took fun articles like these from GLB to heart i guess.

>>10113266
The majority of people does have weekends off though. I think people here are complaining about the types that act like it's impossible to wear it outside meets because it looks weird or it's not convenient. It's not inconvenient for me to wear it when I'm running errands (which I don't need 2 full days for) because I enjoy taking the time to put on a coord, and in fact it does not take me longer than putting on normie clothes unless I try on different things. But some people here seem to think you can only do that if you're a rich trust fund kid. I think most people don't wear lolita on all their days off because they don't feel like it, and for some reason they don't want to be honest about that.

>>10113279
But it IS weird. The fashion is weird and that is okay. To say that doesn't mean we secretly hate the fashion, we're just acknowledging an observable reality.

>>10113269
Literally nobody called people like you conlitas. You're just looking for something to be butthurt about. Do you always put yourself in the victim role like this?

>>10113279
Everyone please be aware, what we have here is Supreme Queen Rori. She doesn't have a mental or physical disability that keeps HER, a REAL LOLITA, from dressing up frequently. She doesn't run out of time in HER busy week to take care of tasks, chores, and errands! She's never too tired or too rural!
She's beauty! She's grace! All hail!

>>10113249
There is literally nothing wrong with gate keeping. No hobby or interest ever gained anything by allowing anything or anyone in.

>>10113280
There are multiple anons arguing about this but I haven't seen any that say you secretly hate the fashion. Just one who dislikes conlitas, another who says conlitas are more similar to cosplayers than lonelitas, and some who question why people get extremely defensive about not wearing lolita. When people say lolita is impossible to wear on weekends, of course lolitas are going to get defensive about that too.

I hate the trend of judging this or that person as more/less lolita. If you wear the fashion, I consider you a lolita. I wear it at least once a week which falls somewhere in the middle of the judgement but I really just want people to enjoy and stay interested the fashion. That may mean wearing it only a couple of times per year or on the daily.

>>10113286
You should be gatekeeping from the itas who are actually making you look bad not the people who wear Lolita to meets or special occasions you dolt.

>>10113290
No one said lolita is universally impossible to wear on the weekends universally. But for some people, due to their individual schedules, they get few opportunities to wear lolita in their freetime.

>>10113261
“Hobby”
“HOBBY”
Hobbies are a not thing you do in 100% in your spare time hello. I have more than one hobby and I’m not constantly thinking “damn I need to do this 5 days a week”

>>10113286
>>10113292
Do you think your gatekeeping actually stops people from wearing their lolita pieces casually? Lol

>>10113293
>>10113111

>>10113297
>theres a million things employed adults need to do during their free time that would make dressing up a hassle.

i don't see the word impossible in this comment

>>10113298
I guess you're not wealthy and privileged enough to get it

>>10113301
I made that comment that anon is calling out. stating that there are many situations in adult life that make dressing up difficult on the weekends isn't me saying its impossible to dress up on weekends period.

Even for normies, theres a reason that "nightwear" is such a big deal and considered separate from normal attire. going out is a special occasion reserved for a few hours during the weekend.

>>10113302
You implied you have to be extremely wealthy and privileged to do it though. I'm not the anon you were arguing with but I can see why lolitas question that statement among other things said in this thread.

>>10113298
You have got to be 15 or a nigger-chan because there is no other excuse for being this ignorant.

>>10112903
Public bathroom mirror selfies in dingy places. Pic related. Places with elegant, beautiful bathrooms seem ok.

I've never seen a thread move this fast on this board. It's honestly easy for me to wear lolita casually because I'm generally a goth outside of it and pieces are interchangeable. Love seeing people out and about in alt fashion.

Bright, disgustingly OTT or even semi-OTT sweet. It looks clownish and like a costume to me. You can’t actually expect anyone to look at you like rational person and not some exuberant rainbow brite crackwhore looking that way.

Hate bonnets anymore, too. They should add an elegance to a coord not take the whole fucking thing over.

And this cock eating entire website.

>>10113307
You've never looked at feels threads have you

>>10113219

I can't believe bunch of conlitas got this butthurt over this

>>10113232
>that subtle accusation that all other posters are fatty-chans
A+ bait

>>10113306
Elegant bathroom wouldn't fix this

>>10113308
>You can’t actually expect anyone to look at you like rational person

bold of you to assume i care what anyone thinks of me. why do judgemental people like you even get into this fashion? i get it if you hate OTT sweet personally but its been around forever, its here to stay, it isn't just a trend anymore

>>10113311
i cant believe there are people who think they're more "xTRVExLolitax" than others based on how they choose to use their free time.
I dont ever see these arguments within other alt fashions that i participate in, i dont ever hear goths at our goth night saying "well you only wear goth to the club, youre a poser. if you dont wear goth at least 3x a week just like ME then surely you are fake. MY lifestyle and MY life choices are law". This isnt high school, some of you are projecting your insecurities a little too hard. if you were more confident as a lolita, you wouldnt need to try so hard telling people why they arent.

>>10113317
A lot of things people are hating on in this thread are not trends. They seem to be living under a rock.

>>10113291
This! Even in the old days of LJ and the lifestylers vs non lifestylers arguements things didn’t get this bad. Back then, lifestylers tended to be the minority as a whole, and most people aside for some, usually lifestylers, didn’t have an issue with less frequent wearing of the fashion than say every day, or once or twice a week. It didn’t make you less of a lolita, apart for in a few’s eyes. The term conlita only seems to have reared its ugly head up in the last few years. If you wear the fashion regularly, that’s fine. If you don’t manage to do so, but are active in the community, a lonelita, following the brands and their releases, etc, that’s also fine. It was not the frequency that one wears Lolita that determined if you were a real lolita or not.

Personally when I’ve forked out a few hundred usd for a dress alone, or spent years tracking down a rarely for sale ‘vintage’ piece from the brands’ early days, even if not expensive, I don’t necessarily want to be lounging about or doing my errands or even some of my other hobbies/interests wearing lolita. Also as another anon said earlier, different styles of lolita have different levels of practicality, and not everyone likes the TaoBao brands, for different reasons.

>>10113320
I do see that with other clothing styles and hobbies all the time lol. Even my colleague who is into vintage fashion judges people who don't wear it whenever they can, and my friend who collects polish pottery complains about people who are "jumping on the bandwagon".
>"if you claim to LOVE vintage, why don't you love wearing it to work?"

>>10113325
Umm you clearly weren't around to see the edgelords posting pics of themselves smoking in lolita and going to sex shops in lolita to annoy lifestylers.

>>10113330
that was also a small minority. the pretentious lifestyles vs the edgelords were not major parts of the community.

>>10113328
ahh yes the incredibly lucrative lifestyle of polish pottery. how could gertrude even THINK of buying that ceramic polish horse? she sniped it from right under me! the harlot!

>>10113320
>I dont ever see these arguments within other alt fashions that i participate in
Do they have a board on 4channel where they can bitch about you anonymously?

>>10113308
>>10113317
yeah also it's like, if you somehow think people are taking you more seriously because you have a dress with crosses on it instead of ponies I've got news for you - regardless of you being goth/classic/\whatever style etc all of it looks stupid to non-lolitas so why do you give a shit

>>10113320
>you only wear goth to the club, youre a poser.
Well in all fairness, if someone were talking about how they only listen to goth music once a month and the rest of the time they're all about Justin Bieber and Top 40s pop music, I'm pretty sure other goths at goth night would call them a poseur. I get your point but I think goth was not the best example.

>>10113334
This thread isn't a major part of the community. Those people organised a meet, went outside, and posted pictures of their own face online to show ~lolitas aren't luvlies~. I've never heard anyone bitch about conlitas outside cgl.

>>10113251
It means she agrees with them

>>10113335
You joke but my friends kitchen looks almost exactly like this store. And yet she hates seeing these plates at someone else's house.

>>10112914
I don't remember a time when wigs were ever expected. I guess it depends on your comm.

>>10113338
thats fair, but i dont have much experience with other alt fashions besides goth and lolita, so i cant really speak for them or provide an accurate example.

i know lots of goths who have a broad taste in music. im not going to judge someone for listening to the accursed beeb if thats what they like, i would just be happy that our small little community had someone who gave a shit enough to come participate. maybe im just more accepting, or maybe at 30 i just dont care anymore. if you show up, dont look like your closet took a shit on your physical body, and are happy to be there then you're goth or lolita enough for me. if you dont have time to wear goth or lolita EVERY spare waking moment, thats fin. maybe those people are researching the fashion in their free time instead?
and if you decide you dont wanna be goth or lolita or whatever anymore, thats fine too. i cant even keep track of the revolving door of subculture participation, if people care they'll stay and if they dont they'll leave.
trash takes itself out usually. just not on /cgl/.

>>10113352
>I don't remember when wigs were expected
newfag

>>10113336
not every subculture needs a board for this, most of the goth drama in my community occurs in real-time.
imagining a goth board is already giving me an aneurysm.

>>10113330
I was meaning in terms of the frequency of accusations of not being a true lolita unless you wore it a certain amount each week etc. I remember those days but didn’t want to bring up that extra can of worms.

>>10113308
>"You can’t actually expect anyone to look at you like rational person"
>implying normies don't see ALL lolita styles as weirdos in big poofy dresses

There's your problem.

>>10113228
Grocery shopping (by walking, carrying home several large totes), laundry, doctor appointment, gym, cleaning house, napping and vegging out because dead from the work week...
Personally I’m away from home minimum 12 hours a day during weekdays, so doing those errands are really difficult then. When the weekend comes I’m exhausted. Guess I could wear my “heals” and bloomers to the gym ala Unseelie.

>>10113008
>image being this uncreative

>>10113362
>anime reaction gif

b e g o n e, r o b o t

>>10113355
Even when wigs got popular they were never expected! No one was ever told "wear a wig or else". It was suggested to people who had hair that was too short or lacked bangs, but even that wasn't universal advice.

>>10113360
I feel sad now you have to go to the doctor every weekend

>>10113360
Unseelie was the most lolita of us all

I hate this whole fucking board
There's no consensus on anything, we have no janitor, and we're all still just as cunty as we were in 2009 or 2015, but now we act all high and mighty for white knighting special needs people and quietly talking shit about each anonymously so no one can prove who it was
Fuck /cgl/

>>10113364
She said "basically expected" not " legally fucking required"
I swear to Christ, I can't figure out if /cgl/ had the reading comprehension of a third grader, or doesn't understand that you can't just fucking pretend to that other people say shit that you can twist without everyone else in the thread looking at the original post anyway
You good damn idiot
No one fucking ever said that everyone had to fucking wear wigs
In 2012, everyone expected coord shots to have a with, no one ever commented on wigs then unless they looked like shit
Go fuck yourself, yeah I mad

>>10113016
It's my clothing style too, I just can't wear it now because I'm in a homeless shelter, does that make me less lolita than you?

>>10113369
Pls stay on topic

>>10113373

im usually pretty sympathetic to people in that position especially since i've had to experience homelessness in the past, but if youre fucking homeless and in a shelter and still storing your burando dresses somewhere its time to grow the fuck up.
choosing to be retarded doesnt really garner the same sympathy out of me. and nobody else should feel bad for you either. you're either lying about being homeless, or living in a shelter by choice (spending your money on a closet of dresses then crying that youve put yourself in a position to be unable to wear them isnt exactly being forced into poverty now is it?)

people are going to kiss your ass on RC for your woe-is-me post, but you're fucking stupid to think you wont get torn up here.

>>10113372
Holy shit anon, you're at a 10 and you need to bring it down to a 5. Wigs were popular but they've never been "basically expected" and the popular opinion on cgl was ALWAYS anti-wig. Now wigs are pretty sparse, brands hardly even use them in ads anymore.

>>10113384
No. You are wrong.

>>10113386

>>10113388
Same, you're arguing like a fucking Republican instead of staying on topic
Where in the fuck did a single person ever say that wigs are frowned upon now?
The original post in question, in fact, refers to the present fashion sense of /not/ wearing wigs
And yes, in 2012, wigs were fucking expected because they were exceedingly fucking common. That was the fashion sense then.
Here and fucking again, no one ever said wigs were EVER a requirement
So what the fuck are you fucking talking about, you God damn animal?

>>10113391
Someone called someone else a newfag for not remembering a time when wigs were expected. Wigs weren't expected, unless you were a newbie ita wearing the newbie ita uniform of 2012 which was that bodyline squirrel party dress and a GLW twintail wig.

good lord anons

when i made this thread this morning all i wanted to do was talk about dumb trends. this is a shitshow, can this just sage so we can actually have a proper "shitty trends" thread

i'll do another one to try and get this back on track: these frizzy ass wigs that just look like you fried your hair through bleaching and lack of conditioning and then tearing through it with a static-prone brush

>>10113410
Looks just like Tyler's real hair desu...

>>10113410
ugh Lovely Lor has one like that and combined with the extremely thick, extremely blunt bangs, she looks like a fucking clown

>>10113410
i think these look better in natural colors, though i admit they are a bit clownish in pastel.

>>10113410

It pisses me off when people don't style these types of wigs. When they don't cut the bangs to frame their face and when they don't thin the wig out and add a bit of layers so it's not a giant frizzy lump. If y'all are gonna wear wigs, at least style it.

>>10113410
The entire AP preview show was models in this wig (only they were frizzier and worse). It was so uggo. Totally agree. Why can't we just have nice, natural-looking wigs on models?

>>10113410
I actually really love these textured wigs for poofy pigtails, but I hate them when they're just worn down like this because they end up just looking like a giant furry mess.

>>10113410
What's the name of the wig type?

>>10113410
Yikes why did they shoopBriz that orange color?!

>>10113466
GLW used to call it the rhapsody

This isn't exactly a "trend", but more of a tendency among lolitas.

I wish people would be more experimental and be more willing to mix substyles and alternate fashions with their lolita coords. Obviously there's plenty of people posting sweet/classic coords and stuff like that, but you almost never see someone do something like a pastel goth + sweet coord, or nurse lolita + classic, or just whatever goofy combos? Biker gothic lolita, or vaporwave lolita, or whatever.

Sure there'd be a lot of ita disasters mixed in with the gems, but it'd be nice to see something other than the ten millionth samey OP+OTK+Tea Party coord.

>>10113478
I strongly suspect there is significantly more of this going on than photos posted to social media pages might lead one to believe.

>>10113478
no one going to do it bc experimental coords are going to get torn to pieces here and placed in ita threads.

>>10113418
she is a fucking clown

>>10113478
i do this kind of thing a lot and don't tag it lolita

partially because of the ita threads and partially because if i'm browsing the lolita tags i don't want to see people's pseudo experimental bullshit

wish we had names for fringe stuff like this though, alamode was a good idea for casual or non-lolita uses of lolita pieces

>>10113478
I do this regulary but I have no social media. I think a big reason why this doesn't happen so often is because everyone clings to the big name lolita brands instead exploring other j-fashion brands and japanese indie/handmade stuff.

>>10113405
>if you remember 2012, you can't remember anything before that

>>10113104
Plenty of people get harassed in Lolita, or they don't like in a place where it's particularly safe to wear lolita without it getting ruined. I've had people throw drinks at me and pull/rip things to the point where I don't feel physically safe for me or my clothes. That and the weather can shift super drastically and it can be hard to plan for/manage with a smaller wadrobe or without compromising the style with more practical pieces. But I think that's why people try to limit it even if they don't want to, but that's my explanation for it

It takes all sorts of lolita to make this fashion really interesting and I do appreciate OTT, but the sheer number of people getting defensive they can't make a toned down coordinate does help me understand why people bitch about toned down or casual coordinates. They're just not used to it. That's ok, but I'll take any comment of the kind with a gigantic bag of salt next time.

>>10113237
If you have zero titty than sure. Fuck if I saw a girl wearing AP on the regular like that nasty ass dress id assume she's got a diaper under it.

>>10113163
Well said.
Wearing lolita only for special occasions = hobby
Wearing lolita outside those occasions = fashion
I'm not daily or lifestyler, but I still wear lolita outside of meets and cons. Meeting with normie friends, dates, normie fests, etc. It's a fashion to me. Some conlitas look down on me since my coords are simple but I don't care.

>>10113163
Why wouldn't we be offended at the idea that our version of fancy dress is considered a costume? I wear lolita twice a month tops, I wear lolita pieces with "normie clothes" pretty often but we literally are a part of a fashion community that vehemently believes that if you are not wearing all of the components of a lolita outfit you are not a lolita. I cannot wear a petticoat to the bank, I cannot wear tea parties to the grocery store, I cannot wear a bonnet to a PTA meeting. These are limitations I have as a grown ass adult and while it would be fun to wear it every day Momoko style, people like me have obligations and livelihoods. I am a teacher, I cannot imagine the bullshit I would go through if Becky's mom saw me in what she considers Adult Baby attire at the bank, I have to run after children all day, sneakers aren't lolita. I'm not willing to get vomit on my brand. I limit my style because it doesn't match my lifestyle, I can't be housewife, I can't be a NEET, I cant be a college student. I'm a teacher who spends 70% of their life juggling other people bullshit and I'm unwilling to sacrifice the quality of the clothing I cherish most, that makes me more lolita than you imo.

>>10113602
Honestly inspirational to a NEET ass teen who wonders if she'll have to give up all her fun hobbies just to have a normal life.

>>10113365
It’s a chronic issue, I feel pretty poorly about it too

>>10113586
It looks fine to me
Sorry you're too fat and ugly to pull it off

>>10113606
not teacher-chan, but you dont have to give up your hobbies and passions to be a successful or productive adult.
you just need to be realistic about your budget, time, and expectations. you wont be able to go out ALL of the time or do everything that you used to be able to, but plenty of us have found a healthy balance of work and lolita/art/conventions/whatever you are passionate about.

>>10113602
And here you are again assuming that people who wear lolita more often than you must be unemployed

>>1011360

Well I’m glad I’m in a different career field and I know how to coordinate so Becky doesn’t think I’m an adult baby.

>>10113664
Oops meant to reply to >>10113602

>>10113237

Cutsew OPs, anon. (Assuming you more or less fit them).

I'm the type that finds normie loungewear annoying, because they generally run the gamut of very thin fabric to the point your nipples or bra lines are showing, or else it's sweatpants with their fit problems. Loose dresses are a godsend with being able to go up or down a size or two before it starts looking too loose or too tight, there's no pressure on your stomach from the waistband, and the cutsews are generally made from much thicker fabric than normie loungewear.

The polyester sack dresses don't really cut it, though, I mean it's polyester. I love my poly stuff for being the easiest thing to travel with (never have to iron it, rolls up pretty tiny and light) but polyester dresses just can't beat the comfortability of a beathable, stretchy knit jersey dress.

It's a very fixed size and not many bigger brands seem to make the t-shirt cutsew type onepieces, so I guess if you're not within this size range then everything that's available to your size in lolita probably makes all of lolita feel uncomfortable.

>>10113669
Maybe it’s just me, but I’d feel like a gremlin if I wore that as lounge wear with no makeup or hair styling. If I’m going to dress up I want to be totally dressed up, I’ll take the time on my hair and makeup. But I’m an ugly pizza face without makeup and my hair needs a lot of TLC to look decent. I’m noy making the effort to do that just so I can wear a cute dress to watch Netflix in.

>>10113660
>>10113664
>>10113665
Not her, but that level of projecting certainly shows a level of stupidity that could very well inidicate unemployment.
Every idiot knows that parents can be absolutely awful to teachers - simply not wanting to risk anything doesn't mean that she can't coord,
And getting offended by the fact that students, housewives and people who don't work have more free time and therefore more opportunities to do whatever they want, including wearing the unique fashion they like...lol

>>10113336
>not anymore. rip alt.gothic

>>10113675

Uh, do you know what projecting is or did you learn the term off of reddit and cgl? I’m literally saying I’m very happy I didn’t choose a thankless career where I have to watch my every move or Becky will have me fired. Having to deal with that on top of paperwork sounds stressful, and god knows I have enough of the latter in my job.

>>10113363
>implying lolitas don't watch anime
how fucking new are you?

>>10113680
No, you clearly implied that you - contrary to her - can coordinate.

>>10113680
Working in your parents home office isn't real work projector chan.

>>10113672

I actually feel more like a gremlin in ugly clothes, even if I happen to be having some horrible breakouts, but everybody's different I suppose. There's even less dressy dresses than that one, I think IW's Annette OP is just a pair of puff sleeves away from being a printed long tee, which isn't too far off from normie loungewear anyway.

To address your pizzaface woes, I'd suggest getting into skincare as a hobby. The asian brands have very cute packaging and if you find the right crowd there's generally something new and interesting every week. Just don't go all in at the beginning, start by getting a 3-step routine down first, make sure it's not giving you any breakouts. Then add a few actives (Cosrx and pixi tonic are the usual recs) and some masking. Add only one product every week and monitor your skin. Also the skincare/haircare/makeup thread is here and might help you out >>10099108

Other than helping you feel better about not needing makeup, it'll also give you a better canvas to work on when you do want to put on makeup.

I'm not much help with hair, mine's long and I live in the tropics so whether it's sweatpants or a cutsew dress I still have to comb it out or else it'll tangle, and I still have to put it up or else it's too hot. Cutsew OPs aren't dresses you do waterfall braids with a ton of hairgel and spend hours getting it to curl just right anyway, I'd just do a simple ponytail or headband and let the back of the head be whatever mess it wants to be.

>>10113222
i love this lol

>>10113675
>I can't be housewife, I can't be a NEET, I cant be a college student.
Btw one of the mods of my comm is also a teacher at elementary school but she wears lolita whenever she wants

>>10113694
nayrt but this is stupid. a) There are jobs (real jobs) that you can wear lolita, I know because I work at one and b) Not being able to wear lolita to work is not an excuse to wear it only at conventions. If you only wear it at cons you are a conlita, crying muhh jobb and acting like all people who wear it regularly are children with no real jobs doesn't change that.

>>10113696
I do skincare, it just isn’t a flawless perfect answer to perfect skin. I’ve accepted that it’s a fact of life that I generally look bad without makeup. It’s awesome that you feel comfortable dressing up.

I have some cute Japanese style roonwear like pic related but I feel so silly in it. I look nothing like the model when I’m just relaxing at home.

The dress in your photo is so far removed from lolita it’s just not lolita anymore. When I want to wear lolita, I’ll just wear lolita. I’m taking the time to do my makeup, my hair (or wear a wig), I’m putting on a waist trainer to look better in the dress. It’s not comfortable, but it’s fine, it’s worth it.

But when I want to be comfortable I’ll just pull on normie longuewear.

The fashion means different things to different people, everyone has a different level of comfort. Generally speaking no matter what I’m wearing, lolita or a normie dressy outfit, the moment I’m in for the day I’ll change into loose comfy normie clothes.

When someone who drives to work on a motorbike every day says I'm not as much into motorbikes as him I just accept that as a fact. Why do some people get an anger attack when someone says the same about lolita? The "I'm totally just as much lolita as someone who wears it every week, I just Can't wear it more than 5 times a year because I have a job" attitude is weird and just screams conlita to me. Casual lolita exists whether you like it or not.

>>10113090
Fucking. This.

>>10113198
No they didn't, it was because she wore it with some pink shoes that didn't go or some shit.

>>10113614
Nayrt but Risa is stick thin and flat as a board.
Certain cuts look like shit on some body types, that's just a fact.

>>10113586
Why the fuck would you ever assume such a thing

>>10113279
>Majority of people have weekends off
(Laughs in nurse)

>>10113279
>most people have weekends off
You some kind of xoomer?

>>10113759
Yeah most of us aren't nurses and you probably do have two days off just not always the same days

>>10113760
No, I ljve in Europe where you only have to work 40 hours a week

>>10113720

>>10113669 is my first comment in this thread, simply saying cutsew OPs are comfier than the tent dress another anon posted above. So far as it goes for the fashion, it simply says that lolita clothes can be comfortable. No, we don't all look like the gyaru models you posted (especially because gyaru is all about the hair and makeup, while lolita is mainly about the clothes, so), but yes, it's comfortable and totally doable.

>>10113696 is simply written because >>10113672 seemed really down about their looks. Pizzaface in particular, ie greasy acne face can usually be helped along with some diligent skin care. Other things are harder to deal with, but pizzaface in particular can definitely be improved on.

idk, if you can only be either a gremlin or OTT lolita, then I guess that's your thing, so long as you aren't insisting that if it's not comfortable because you chose to do it this way, then it can't be comfortable for anyone else.

I do hope you find some inner confidence about your looks.

>>10113759
Sorry that you took on a career that isn’t an office job but the typical job isn’t being a nurse. Their point is you wear it on your days off.

Honestly if you don’t really try to wear Lolita when you can you can’t exactly call it a fashion you wear. We all understand that some situations mean you can’t wear it to work but for everyone who isn’t wearing a uniform you can easily use those pieces daily even if it isn’t in a Lolita manner.

>>10113767
Bait successful.

>me: if you only wear lolita to cons you're a conlita
>you: REEEEEEE IT'S NOT MY FAULT IT'S TOO DIFFICULT TO WEAR ANYWHERE ELSE

>>10113602
I'm a teacher too and I usually do my errands after work in my suit, then I enjoy my free time in lolita. I don't hangout where my students or their families are in the weekends. I also don't feel any shame wearing blouses or boleros with my professional attire. My purse is brand too. I feel like it's a casual nod to my fashion roots that only people who enjoy lolita will catch.

>>10113736
Shoes were a reasonable crit, the full set was also criticised for being too much.

>>10113222
Looks like you could fill in a few of these rows yourself.

>>10113694

Octave kitten, herajika, lemon tree, Artemis argyi, and countless other lolitas very clearly have successful careers and wear lolita in their free time. Sorry your career sucks and you’re stuck in a dead end job.

>>10113590

this. you don't have to wear it daily to wear it outside of special occasions.

>>10113779
I really enjoyed incorporating bits of my lolita wardrobe into my office wear, before I switched to remote work. It helps that my preferred style is classic - a third of what Fanny Rosie wears would pass as business wear in my industry - but I got a lot of joy out of having little pieces of lolita with me from day-to-day, even if I wasn't wearing a full coord.

I wonder if part of this divide has to do with when people got into the fashion. I started in 2005, when we were just pathetically grateful to have anything at all, and most dresses didn't have prints, let alone things like socks! Being a daily lolita was aspirational, because it meant you owned enough lolita to wear it more than once a month. So to me, casual lolita still looks like "real lolita" - whereas if your concept of the style was anchored after 2009 and especially in the last few years when OTT took over, I can see how a skirt/cutsew combo, even one well-done with polished hair, make-up and accessories, looks half-finished.

>>10113827
Note: this is NOT meant as a judgement against newer members of the fashion. Working to achieve the perfect outfit for a special event is a perfectly valid way to enjoy lolita, simply a different approach and priorities than someone who wants to include the style on a smaller scale in their everyday life.

Do Japanese particulate in pissing contests like this over who wears the most lolita or is it just us western special snowflakes? Do you guys realize that street snaps were announced in advance and most Japanese lolitas were not dressed to the nines every single weekend?

>>10113830
Yes they have anonymous boards with role-players too. They piss on people who started to wear lolita because of visual kei or Kamikaze girls.

>>10113830
>being this autistic

No one is saying anything about how grorious Japanese lolitas did it. We are simply saying that if you don't actually wear it as a fashion it is not a fashion to you.

ah yes, i see we are still having rori orympics.

lets be real, i'm pretty sure the person instigating all of this is just the same dumb bitch. "i totally have a real job and no it isnt at my parents job or home, i am totally more of a true lolita, you all are just posers, i wash my chicken tenders in the sink in lolita, i scrub my grout in lolita, you guys are just POSERS and LARPERS."

just quit giving the creature any validation at all and let it also rot in lolita.

>>10113149
I think people who own a lot of brand but only wear it to specific lolita events are more like "lolita collectors" than actual lolitas.

Plus having a smaller cohesive wardrobe is more practical for wearing it daily in my opinion. As a lolita who have been in fashion for 9 years I have around 20 main pieces but a lot more blouses and accessories to change it up.

>>10113835
And the arguement in return is that something doesn’t have to be worn super frequently for it to still be a fashion. For example, do you wear cocktail dress attire during all of your free time? If you don’t, is it then a costume? No, it’s still clothing, still a fashion. With lolita it can be occasional wear, it can be daily. Everyone has different lifestyles, and things such as amount of free time, etc. It’s a slippery slope on where you draw the line if you define someone as a ‘real lolita’ or not depending purely on how often they can actually wear the fashion.
In goth circles, most of all my friends don’t go to town with full heavy makeup and stuff they’d wear to a club or festival all the time. Usually it’s stuff that’s verging on passable as normie clothing (not necessarily loungewear) but in mainly black. It make them less goth? Nope. Same goes for lolita.

>>10113602
>only neets, housewives, and college students can lifestyle
I'm a teacher too and I wear lolita to work often. The only difference is I have enough of an education that I can teach adults and teenagers that could care less what I wear in the classroom, suck my ass you unfortunate talentless fuck

>>10113850
>Cocktail dress
Things not intened to be a costume can still be worn as a costume. Are native headdresses a costume? No, but that doesn't stop some dipshit from wearing it to a Halloween party. Context is important. The problem is with the intent. If something is treated like a costume, then it becomes a costume. And let's be real, cons are just weeby Halloween

>>10113856
i swear to god if anyone takes this bait im gonna be disappointed.

>>10113724
Heavily agree. It makes sense in every other context, so why not lolita? Someone like Tyler is definitely more integrated into a lolita lifestyle than I am, but who cares? It doesn't make me love the fashion less.

>>10113858
uwu

>>10113851
Your level of education does not automatically determine your professionality and looking appropriate for the job, how you are received by both your students, possibly their parents (depending on what level you’re teaching at), and your colleagues. Lolita is not always deemed appropriate, even a toned down coord can be seen as unprofessional and inappropriate. It can also be a faff and unpractical (said from experience of having lectured in toned down classic a few times).

>>10113830
Yes, they do. They used to shit on gothic lolita as a whole, because "gothic lolitas are just Mana cosplayers".

>>10113494
Haute Lolita

>>10113336
Rip VF irc

>>10113865
Good for you.

>>10113851
Lol, go get pregnant you hack.

>>10112903
I don't even know what's trendy in lolita now. Last time I noticed a trend was one or two years ago with qi/Chinese inspired.

>>10113850
Nayrt but you need to work on your reading comprehension. No one is saying anything about frequency, we are talking about where you wear it.
Imagine if you moved to somewhere with no meets or conventions, so you'll just stop wearing lolita because it is "not practical" to wear it to other places?

>>10113839
I feel sad for you if you think it is not possible to have a legit job and be a daily lolita at the same time. It must suck being you.

>>10113879
?
Let's decode the possible meanings of your response:
1. You can only truly be a lolita if you're pregnant
2. You can only truly be a highschool (uni?) Teacher if you're pregnant
3. You believe more women should be pregnant for whatever reason, so you're spreading this encouraging message

can "tr00 kvlt epic lifestyle lolita" please stop derailing this thread with the same tired bait as yesterday?
we get it bitch, youre insecure.

>>10113887
"tr00 kvlt"?

>>10113851
>I'm a teacher too
>you unfortunate talentless fuck
pot calling the kettle black

>>10113890
Nice bait, guess you never really spent much time learning history m8

>>10113884
it must suck having to spend all your time trying to validate yourself to an anonymous board on a topic thread that has nothing to do with this retarded and tired argument.
>>10113887 anon is right, why do you care so much about how and when other people wear their clothes? you keep derailing this topic despite several attempts to bring it back. if youre so gainfully employed, maybe get back to work instead of wasting everyones time.

>>10113887
>>10113887
>thinking only one person is replying

I wasn't even browsing cgl yesterday f a m

>>10113894
im not your "senpai" you jabroni

>>10113893
Except it's conlitas who are acting butthurt and continuing this argument. One anon just said you're not a lolita if you wear it as a cosplay, and you all freaked out like she punched you in the vagina.

>>10113893
Validate what? My opinion on how conlitas are not actual lolitas? Because all I see is conlitas trying to validate themselves to an anonymous board on a topic thread that has nothing to do with this retarded and tired argument.

>>10113891
enjoy your equally shitty salary m8 :^)

>>10113887
>spends an entire thread sperging about one anonymous person’s opinion
>calls other insecure
...

>>10113898
>not knowing the word filter
Lol newfag confirmed

>>10113902
nayrt
depends on where you live I guess. teachers earn pretty good in my country. they have shitton of free time too.

>>10113900
then quit replying to them retard and post something on-topic.

here i'll start: your shitty vendetta and irrational judgments are something i hate, though i wouldnt call it a trend. its still 50% more on-topic than the shit you keep instigating by using obvious derogatory b8 language then backtracking and saying "calling everyone here a conlita isnt dewwwwogatowwwy". fuck off.

>>10113905
uh uh, i guess using mobile and having autocorrect unspace my words means im a newfag, try harder.

>>10113907
You sound like those weebs that cry when someone calls them a weeb because it's ~derogatory~

>>10113410
I like them desu, and I don't usually like wigs. But I don't wear them myself, I just leave my hair in a few braids overnight and get the same effect on real hair, which looks nicer.

>>10113907
Lol no
>calling everyone here a conlita
>everyone

nice try

>>10113911
i have one in black and it looks nice desu.

>>10113908
>being a mobileposter
>using mobileposting as an excuse
Lol newfag confirmed

>>10113915
everyone who isnt you is a newfag i guess.
let this off topic ass thread die.

>>10113915
yes, because mobileposting while out doing things is carnal sin. do you have some sort of complex?

>>10113902
Nayrt but I'm a private math tutor and I make between 60-120 bucks an hour, and I work a decent amount of time too. I don't wear lolita to work, though, since I work from my home office and it would feel pretty silly to throw on lolita just to sit at home and go over algebra with teenagers

>>10113917
>>10113919
Lol samefag confirmed

>>10113921
This is why I can't relate to conlitas. They think we're silly for wearing lolita outside cons and meets.

>>10113925
congrats, youve won cgl bingo. you used ALL the words!

>>10113690

I don’t understand how that pertains to what your reply entailed but nonetheless I’m pretty happy I don’t have to deal with PTA bitches. It’s good coming to this thread to see different perspectives.

>>10113921
Yeah but >>10113851 was talking about typical classroom teaching. Tutoring isn't the same and pays very well.

>>10113927
?? I said I thought it was silly to get dressed to just sit down and stare at teens. My job offers me a lot of free time, and I do things like walk my dog in lolita or go sit in cafes. I wear lolita so I can enjoy wearing it. I don't want to get dressed to sit at home. What is wrong with you? Why do you assume so quickly? I'm a lonelita, I've never even BEEN to a con

>>10113930
Tutoring may not be the same setting, but I'm still not any less of a real teacher. I have taught in classrooms before, and while it may not pay as much generally, different schools have different rates. My friend teaches at a private school, and she certainly gets paid very well. it's far from an average wage, especially where I live.

>>10113935
Don't worry anon I'm sure other anon wasn't meaning bad. It's just it got a bit tense in this thread.

>>10113939
Thank you anonfriend, I guess I got a bit worked up as well. I think it's great that people wear lolita to work, but for my job it just seemed a bit pointless

>>10113941
I don't wear full lolita to work either but I enjoy incorporating accessories and stuff. The point isn't wearing it all the time 7/24 anyways (there are people who insist that's what we are suggesting though lol)

>>10113935
Because this entire discussion is about conlitas and you are arguing for their side

>>10113262
Did you even see who I fucking replied to? Did I ever say I was more ~*rori*~ than you?
NO. You're just being defensive. Sorry but some of here wear it often and people who don't and say it shouldn't be worn often are fucking annoying and you ruin the hobby.

I agree with >>10113268 though, especially since >>10113262 acts like a hurt little bitch just by being informed that some of us do wear it often and to anywhere we fucking please.

>>10113946
I wasn't arguing for either side, I just said I was too lazy to put on lolita to stay at home?

I don’t think people say anyone should force themselves to wear it for work. Life circumstances can also prevent someone from wearing lolita even weekly. But being that I’m a lonelita who is 6 hours away from the nearest convention I wear it out on weekends. Even when I was working 90 hours a week I feel it was reasonable to get dressed at least once a month.

There are some trolls here suggesting we need to wear full lolita to work, but I don’t think people seriously suggest that. I do think that wearing it to cons and events creates a certain expectation of lolita that it needs 99 accessories and needs perfect makeup and falsies and uncomfortable shoes. It doesn’t need to, and the main thing grinding my gears is that in other threads people bitch about lolita being “too boring” or “casual” as if it’s a valid criticism rather than preference. I think people who wear the fashion outside of special settings, even if only very occasionally, have a tendency to better understand the appeal of these “boring” coordinates as wearable but still very much our style. But right now the attitude both here and in other places very much places importance on glitz and glamor over being well put together, and that makes me a little sad.

>>10113905
yikes, you missed the joke.

>>10113839
>washes chicken tenders

>>10113951
While I agree with you on some points, there do seem to be quite a few who are equating occasional wearers and those who wear it as a costume, with the assumption that if you only get to wear it occasionally, usually at occasions such as meets or cons (as an example), you will be wearing it as a costume. Yes, some will, but there are also plenty of lolitas who can only wear it occasionally for different reasons, but will still put together a really nice outfit, and not necessarily a really OTT coord with everything but the kitchen sink in it, and it won’t be a costume.

>>10113951
100% agree.

I'd also add: I feel like when you wear it to conventions you basically wear it to show other people like a costume (at least that's the vibe) but on the other hand if you are wearing it other times, around people who don't understand or care about lolita, you are wearing it for yourself. Wearing it for yourself inherently feels more lolita to me.

>>10113279
>majority of people does have weekends off
Where do you live? I want to move there.

>>10112966
If you aren't wearing it like regular clothes and only wearing it at cons you are a conlita. Most people understand that things like work dress codes may prohibit wearing lolita there but you should be able to wear it else-wise. Most brands make items that can be worn very casually.

>>10113099
>You

I am salaried and work 10-12 hours a day, but I still have time to wear lolita 2-4 times a week in my free time. I just don't have a lot of free time

>>10113899
The 24/7 lifestylers “I wear lolita even when I shit and I wear lolita to work because I’m an uwu princess” are just as butthurt and annoying.

I’m so tired of all the sheer fabric. Chiffon sleeves, overskirts, underskirts, veils, etc. It’s supposed it look ~elegant~ but I think it looks cheap.

>>10114018
>"I wear lolita even when I shit and I wear lolita to work because I’m an uwu princess"
>said literally no one in this thread

>>10113097
Shut up

>>10113830
>particulate
wat

>>10113352
I collect modra which is different, but this is very funny to me. Had no idea other people in the West appreciated Eastern European pottery, I've only seen one store in the US that sold it

>>10113985
Where do you live where people have to work more than 5 days a week?

>>10114046
Not that anon, but they said weekends specifically. There are plenty of jobs in the states where you work weekends and have days off mid-week. And if you work retail or hospitality, there's a good chance you might get scheduled to work 6 days or more in a row if the scheduling manager isnt paying attention.
I've had jobs (key word here is had) where I'd be off on say, a Wednesday, and wouldn't have another day off until the next Wednesday.
Thankfully I am not in a position to deal with that anymore, but long story short it's not uncommon in the states for unsalaried workers to work for a week straight.

>>10114046
Probably the US

>>10114046

There are a lot of jobs that are not 9-5 even in Europe. Someone has to be a chef for a chic late night restaurant, work cabs, meet deadlines in a startup tech company, work in a 24 hour hospital, or a myriad of other late night services. We come from all backgrounds here, it’s avsolutely ridiculous anons assume everyone is on a bank work week.

>>10114072

Well, I was thinking more late night than weekend, but the same concept applies to anything open during the weekend.

>>10114058
So would you say a minority of Americans has weekends off?

>>10114072
My mom works in a hospital full-time as a surgical nurse. On her workdays she still find time to do sports, groceries, make dinner etc. She also has two days off every week on which she can wear whatever she wants.

>>10114046
Germany. Sunday is the only work free day, where almost every service and shop is closed.

>>10114080
Normal Germans work around 35-45 hours a week. Do you have several jobs?

I think the point trying to be made here is that say you're not working Monday - Friday 9-5 say in retail, food service etc. You might get a random Wednesday off or a Thursday - Friday block and work every other day that week. That one day, probably the majority of your friends are working, either they're on 9 - 5 schedules or random off days like you. So you're not going to be seeing friends or doing anything nice/fun because everyone else is at work. So unless you're into grocery shopping in lolita or cleaning the house or other errands (which I think we can all agree is usually impractical) you're sat in the house alone in your lolita, which is great for you, but is a bit Momoko-tier and why all this NEET shit is being flung around. Or you could go and do something alone but that's seen as weird without being in lolita. A lot of conlitas probably only wear lolita at cons/meets because they have a reason to book time off, actually see friends and relax. When I worked retail I technically had two days off a week when everyone I knew was working and I was essentially a shut-in because literally all my friends had similarly shitty retail jobs.

>>10113979
Sounds like someone has mommy make all their food for them and never had to cook anything more intricate than a toaster strudel.

>>10114093
You'd think most people are smart enough to realise that just because they don't have 2 days off personally, that doesn't mean everyone who can wear lolita twice a week is a NEET

>>10114058
The schedule at my old job was from wednesday to tuesday and they were only giving me one day off a week. Once they scheduled me off wednesday and then i worked 13 days in a row and the "next week" i got off tuesday.

>>10114116
Okay so that's why you could only wear lolita to cons but you didn't consider yourself a conlita because you think it's derogatory?

>>10114120
Lmao no... i havent even replied in this thread before. Now that i have a different job i wear it literally whenever i leave the house.

Are you insecure about something anon. Chill.

>>10114130
No I just think it's funny that people are continuing this "discussion" with random anecdotes when it was originally just 1 anon who doesn't consider conlitas to be on her level or whatever. I guess you all just love talking about your life, otherwise I don't know why you're trying to make this about you if you're not a conlita.

>>10114136
Oof

>>10113886
All female highschool/uni teachers I've ever known are either well past menopause or baby factories.
You're no better than any other teacher, and your coords are probably shit if all your normie coworkers don't think you're a weirdo for wearing them.

>>10114074
Hard to say. I will say it seems like more young people in the states don't work 9-5, M-F.

>>10114075

Same actually when I had a similar schedule. I wore lolita on days off because it was one of the only things that sparked joy for me at the time.

I’m just tired of seeing people think that the US is the only place where people work non bank hour jobs. I was in uni in Europe and I saw plenty of people from all backgrounds work through weekends. Shit has to keep going.

TFW I'm poor, work 7-4 M-F, have massive social anxiety to the point of agoraphobia, but I still manage to squeeze a coord in at least once a week. I also live in the middle of bumfuck no where, so I don't have a comm. (Which is why I'm having issues snagging a CS job. Thanks, farm country, USA.)
Hell, I actually worked Monday-Saturday last week and I wound up doing all my chores in full honeycake yesterday.
You don't have to wear coords all the time, just stop making excuses of why you don't want to.
You're allowed to be lazy about it. You're allowed to not feel like it.
Personally, BECAUSE i'm so poor, I'm not shelling out hundreds of dollars for a dress and only wear it once or twice a year, IF that. I have 20 full coords. I want my money's worth on them.
I may not do my full make up and maybe just fluff my hair and straighten my bangs if I'm wearing it out. But god damnit, I bought these dresses to feel good.

And on trends I hate- sugary sweet pastels and busy prints.
I just think that they look ugly.

>>10114178
Wait do you work from home? If not why are you just throwing the term agoraphobia around? You sound dumb and now I can't believe anything else you wrote.

>>10114189
I don't. I just struggle through it as opposed to being a NEET and leech on the goverment.
Its hellish but I need money.
Also agoraphobia dosent iherently mean an inability to go out of the house. Its a fear of being out and not being able to get somplace safe. Especially in the event of an anxiety attack. And especially if youre alone. My work is pretty ok right now with those events, so that fear is much lessened.

>>10114074
US here, weekends off is pretty sought after thing. So depending on your job, will dictate whether or not you get weekends off. Sometimes you just have to work somewhere long enough that you can ask for that specific schedule and other times only the people who are in charge will get those days off. Every company does things differently.

>>10114245
Less than two thirds of Americans works in the weekend

>>10114257
Less than 1/3 actually

>>10113767

>>10114257
>works in the weekend
What's this even mean? Do you mean during??

>this entire thread

>>10113911
wearing your hair in braids makes your hair look cute, not fried. these wigs look fried

>>10114325
I'm the OP of the thread, I tried to nuke it but 4chan told me it was too late to delete it. just waiting for it to finally burn its shitty self out

all i wanted to do was talk about trends, senpai

>>10112903
I love crew length because I find something endearing about it, but plain solid socks are never a good addition to a coord.

Let's get one thing straight if you're fat, depressed, work too much, have family members that don't like lolita, have animals or live in a very hot climate you are not true lolita. If you don't have brand you are not a true lolita. If you wear casual lolita but wear sneakers to the mailbox you have broken the rules and are not a true lolita. True lolitas wear lolita to the office, to school, to the gym, to the grocery store, to take out the trash, to meet a tinder date and to people's funerals and weddings. You should be birthed and buried in lolita, and if you only wear lolita in settings that you deem appropriate and comfortable then are a conlita and I hate you poser scum.

>>10113363
you do know lolitas are all weebs right? lol

>>10115483
not all of us. just most of us.

>>10115717
None of my lolita friends are weebs.

So much autism in this thread, holy shit

>>10116683
I hope your kids get autism and cut you out of their life after 18 years of bad parenting

>>10114204
I feel this very much, keep your chin up anon.
>>10114325
The usual