/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

her video quality has gone down the shitter since she started dating her gf, who I think is younger than her? And I think rubbing off on her with bad behavior in the worst of ways.

Her videos are really unprofessional now with Holly(?) constantly cackling or inserting herself at random, like in her latest Lolita Reacts where she just sat in and Lor seemingly forgot she had an audience through her camera and just talked to her girlfriend for the rest of the video. Who then randomly pulled out a guitar and started playing. Idk I find her extremely obnoxious and Lor's videos are also becoming either more obnoxious or just plain lazy nowadays.

She was good when she actually put in effort.

Also if she'd please just reevaluate the lolita rules and maybe stop trying to incorporate her shit clown tastes into her coords that'd be gr8.

>>10102090
i agree, i haven't really been feeling her videos lately but i couldn't put my finger on it. i feel like she's trying too hard to get the aesthetic of ALB and her wife now with Holly but they aren't as mature. i really wish she'd tone down the wigs and makeup, a lot of her coords would look so much better. it doesn't help that a lot of new lolitas join because of her or take all her advice.

>>10102080
Her coords have always been alright just not really my style. I'm baffled as to why she's so well liked, though. Her makeup always looks horrible to me.

>>10102099
Like it'd be one thing if Holly was an actual lolita but she's not? She's not relevant to the content Lor puts on her channel in the slighest, and I get wanting to show off your partner because you love them and are excited about them, but outside of "Have your partner try x" style videos she doesn't need to be in them. I get a vibe from Holly that she does it subconsciously because she likes the attention and validation she gets from Lor's followers when she jumps in and makes cameos in videos. She's young so it wouldn't surprise me if she was enjoying that, I would be too if I were her. But it's very unprofessional when that seems to be the entire thing Lor is trying to aim for with her channel. There is a way to be personable AND professional, but immature behavior like this is not the way to do it.

>>10102141
her coords are either great or awful, and while her makeup has slightly improved she still has no idea what she's doing with her face. It'd greatly benefit her to maybe go to a makeup department and ask for advice from some of the more seasoned/older makeup artists and sales associates there. ESPECIALLY if a brand is having an event where one of their big company makeup artists is visiting and taking appointments--you can learn so much from them because they're professionally trained and it's their job to work with peoples' faces that aren't their own. Sometimes youtube makeup tutorials don't cut it--most youtube ""makeup artists"" only know how to put makeup on themselves, not other people. There's a big difference.

Lor is great. You’re all faggots.

>>10102090
Did you even watch the video? Holly interrupting and playing the guitar was staged. The documentary that Lor was reacting to was supposed to be about the girl's fashion, yet they randomly kept cutting to the boyfriend's opinions on random shit and him playing his guitar... So, Lor had Holly do that too as a joke.

Her documentary series and videos with Tyler are good. The videos with Holly don't bother me much either since they seem cute together. It'll def be awkward if the 2 of them break up but it's not like she claims to only ever be a lolita channel. Youtube isn't her full time job she has to be super professional and polished for.
I also think she only really knows how to do the one look that is cookie cutter sweet. It really shows when she's giving advice to people in other substyles. She clearly knows nothing about gothic and classic. I think her coordinate advice videos would be better if she did them with other lolitas who had more experience in styles that aren't what she wears. More than anything I also really wish she'd stop wearing are such shitty looking wigs. They make the most beautiful expensive dresses look like a cheap costume because she picks the shiniest possible wigs ever. I don't know if it's because of the lighting she uses or the way the wigs just aren't cut and styled right to frame her face but they just always look out of place. Is it just me that hates them?

I know a lot of gulls don't like her for whatever reason but she definitely does have her place in the community. She's clearly really passionate about lolita and has always adamantly defended the fashion against misrepresentation.
Her channel and coords are far from perfect but there aren't a lot of lolitas that make content outside of hauls and I'd rather the occasional non lolita/personal video than her going full deerstalker and deciding to stop making lolita content altogether in favour of other fashions and topics.

>>10102090
>Who then randomly pulled out a guitar and started playing.
That was the joke. In the video she was reacting to the girls boyfriend just started playing guitar and singing for no reason.

>>10102080
I love her when she speaks candidly, but the minute she's doing voiceover or reading from a script, she sounds like a 9th grader who loves creative writing and fucked a thesaurus.

>>10102164
Develop some critical thinking skills, anon. Do you have any actual reasons as to why you think she's so "great" or do you just like acting like a child?

>>10102149
I agree entirely about her makeup. I would also recommend she has her eyebrows shaped by a professional, as well as talking to a hair stylist about what styles flatter her face shape so she can style her wigs in that fashion. I would like to enjoy her videos but her makeup/hair is too distracting and off balance for me.

aren't person-specific threads like this why lolcow exists guys come on.

>>10102220

Nah, lolcow is all like
>ugh she ugly
>she fake
>what a slut/prude
>gonna do the SJW or antisjw circlejerk depending on which other side she is because I'm Contrary Mary

Without real discussion.

There's a lot of good discussion going on here, good balanced with bad. I don't like Lor, but gulls are seeing the good in her, and I do like certain aspects like her positivity and her passion for lolita. I also feel since we're discussion her channel rather than whatever drama she has makes this thread relevant rather than a teardown meant for lolcow.

>>10102220
Except Lor's not a cow and produces no milk.

She makes content for a living not out of her love for the fashion, that is for sure. Her youtube channel is only her business, especially cringy is that she tries to be sooo nice and friendly with what she says and it looks fake as hell. As a lolita I do not like her at all, she has just a few dresses and some sponsored items, I think she is no longer into lolita that much but must keep appearances.

I don’t like her

Her attempts to defend Kelly eden for the sake of being “nice” after that debacle really fucking annoying me. She just seems really fake, not genuine at all

I don’t understand why everyone loves her so much

>>10102370
Her video on Shop In Wonderland (the Leigh's lolita store) was questionable too, she gave the frustratingly neutral view of "Well make your own mind up about whether you should shop there or not" instead of laying out the truth a little more clearly and explaining to people why it's a bad idea to shop there and support the owners.

I'm hoping her recent videos and involvement with Tyler will influence her a bit, the roast and toast videos are the best videos Lor's uploaded in a long time.

I can’t stand her content any more, her coords are tacky and borderline ita now and her videos have the content equivalent of a prolonged shrug.

>>10102374
And how she was being the more critical one during the roast and toast and seemed to really be holding herself back makes me think she might not be an ~uwu lovely lolita~

>>10102090
Holly didn’t insert herself into that video. It was staged and it mirrored what happened in the documentary Lor was reacting to. Some of you are so focused on tearing other people down and trying to find something to pick on that you miss even the most obvious humor.

>>10102080
what's with all the thread copying these days. just because someone made a thread about 1 brand or 1 youtuber, doesnt mean we need threads for all brands and youtubers at the same time.

I don't like her "fixing coords" series. She is not a good dresser and she is too concearned about being nice and not hurting people's feelings to actually give good advice.
Having said that, I like the "roast and toast" series with Tyler. Mostly because Tyler trying to be mean without a script is adorable.

I have a huge respect towards Lor for what she is doing for the community. I think that teaching self-confidence and love towards the fashion is an important thing. And I like her instagram pictures because she clearly enjoys fashion and her life and that inspires me and lifts my spirits.

Hoo boy, do I have opinions on Lor. I find her videos so cringy lately - as people have already said, it's weird that she has Holly in there all the time. Holly isn't a lolita, she has nothing to add. It just feels like that one couple that's in the forever honeymoon phase; like, we get it, Lor. You're happy. I'm happy for her. But can we get back to actual content?

And yes, I think she's too nice. We don't need another Tyler on YT, but Lor could afford to give stricter advice to her followers.

>>10102481
Agree with all of the above but not sure about her "loving fashion". With lolita, it feels like she only wears it for videos or cons these days. Does she even like Lolita for herself anymore?

>>10102486
>We don't need another Tyler on YT, but Lor could afford to give stricter advice to her followers.

I think it's better for everyone, but especially the person submitting, if Lor gives more strict and honest advice. Newbies surely watch videos like that looking for inspiration and guidance, and she's bringing neither.

>>10102350
This. She isn’t ‘into’ lolita fashion enough to really make interesting content for the whole community. I more see her as a ‘you-tuber who happens to wear lolita’, not as someone to follow for good lolita content.

>>10102529
I agree. She has a following because of jumping on trends such as react videos and gf videos, having a personality people respond to, and uploading consistently. Anyone with more than a passing interest in lolita knows her taste is tacky and her makeup would be better suited for a drag queen.

That being said, she seems relatively drama free and I don't think she's a bad representation of lolita to people that might just stumble upon her videos.

I am surprised her coords aren't better than they are though. I feel like becoming relatively known on social media gives people a huge ego boost and prevents them from wanting to take criticism.

>>10102529
I've been watching her videos for a while now and her content is just getting kinda of boring. I agree with the whole "youtuber who happens to wear lolita" thing, do you have any other lolita youtubers that are actually good?

>>10102220
She either made the thread herself or some new person doesn't know we have youtube threads instead of this

I like her recent videos and I enjoy the humor, but two things that have already been mentioned bother me. Her neutral stance on Leigh's shop and Kelly Eden when there was a clear moral stance on both, and her coordinating skills, specifically her poor choice of wigs and sometimes unflattering makeup.
I also wish she would have other lolitas chime in with coordinate help, as I agree with you guys on her not really knowing any other style well other than sweet.
I do hope she keeps working and producing videos, and further honing her skills. She is needed in the community not necessarily as a teacher figure or pro lolita figure (lol) but as someone who enjoys the fashion and shows a slice of their take on it to the community.

I really like Lor. I find myself re-watching her old videos fairy often.

I get a little annoyed at the too much Holly but I think Holly has helped improve her makeup a bit? Unfortunately her coord fixing videos are hit and miss.

>Girl says she thinks her ugly doc boots dont go with super sweet dress

> Lor: " I think this coord is absolutely perfect!"

I love that she doesn't buy into the salt and drama but there is also a line to how over the top sweet you can be to people who are legitimately asking for improvement.

>>10102776
I also want to add that I feel very uncomfortable about her making a lolita black history month special. I feel this is more of a pedestal for her and her YT viewership than really about the black lolitas. While I think her intention about it is good, something about a white woman using black people to increase her popularity doesn't settle right with me.

>>10102876
I see your perspective, but on the flip side, the world is always asking influential white people to use their voices to showcase marginalized groups. Everything Lor does is, ultimately, for subscribers. Is this really the worst thing she could do?

TLDR if she’s not speaking for black Lolitas but just promoting them, I don’t see any harm.

>>10102882
I'm hoping that's what she does and not turn around and make it all about her. However, white women do this. White women come into black spaces, project their concerns and claim they'll voice for them and then completely ignore the real issue at hand, make it about themselves or making it seems she did them a favor and they owe her. It's just my perspective as a POC in different work fields I have been in and what I see in social media.

>>10102370
I don't trust people who like Kelly Eden.

>>10102641
Lwln and Tyler are the only one different and Rip deerstalker, they were great

She posted a video today and eluded to the second day of the con she was reviewing being a horror show. Anyone know the tea?

>>10103096
Same

>>10103783
She is going to make a video about it why not wait for her to tell you?

>>10102374
desu, only Texas lolitas care about the Leigh's. They're your problem and the Texas comm is full of drama. Lor did the right thing with basically saying "You decide if you care about what a bunch of spergs think is right or wrong".

>>10102374
Only Texas lolitas care about the Leigh's. They're your problem and the Texas comm is full of drama. Lor did the right thing with basically saying "You decide if you care about what a bunch of spergs think is right or wrong".

>>10103891
Because she's probably going to give us a watered down YouTube friendly version, whereas a gull will fill in all the details.

Lors videos are literally all ads and sponsored content, I've also always thought she was really ugly and had terrible coords. And every photo she takes with her girlfriend in lolita looks forced and awkward as hell.

>>10103783
Probably talking about one of the convention organizers. He's an absolute creep and makes all the girls feel uncomfortable.

>>10104640
She got an AP dress from zenn market that she sold a couple of days later after the promo video was up, if she was not just in making cash she would have bought something she wanted for her wardrobe with the 100 $ she received from zenn.

Is there any lolita youtuber that cgl does not hate?

I don’t watch her videos nor have opinion, but I have to admit it’s hard to please lolita audience. You need thick skin for all that shit you get. We have extremely high expectations for every notable person in the scene

>>10105012
CGL seems to be fine with all the small and forgettable ones.

>>10105012
cgl is not a hivemind so no, there probably isn't a lolita youtuber that 100% of cgl likes.

I think what really rubbed me the wrong way about Lor was how she sugar-coated the absolute shit show that was Cakes and Couture in Florida in 2017. She did mention that a lot of things weren't well organised, but her video ended with her almost giving the organisers a pat on the back for doing?? Nothing??? She mentioned flaws and then at the end just sort of brushed them off as though everything was fine and OK.

I like her but I wish she'd tell the truth about shitty stuff instead of being so worried about upsetting people.

>>10105072
I don't think she is worried about upsetting people, she thinks with this attitude she is getting more sponsors

>>10105012
>expecting /cgl to 100% agree on any one thing
how new are you?

>>10105012
Such is the nature of being any type of public figure. Not everyone is going to like you and that's just life.

Part 2 of G-anime is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GheJjPxjc7s

>>10106138
Oooooh boy, I sure hope Tyler goes out and says something about her experience because I'm dying to hear someone with a more honest mouth sink her teeth into this sissy con-chair person.

Otherwise I think Lor did a splendid job of adapting herself to this serious format. If she had just gone ranting she would have been a crying clown, and I try to say that kindly. The scripted outline which kept her on track made that very long video worth watching. I also appreciate the insight that her girlfriend is more or less a romantic camera assistant. Stay lovely!

>>10106138
As usual Taylor says nothing clear

>>10106138
As usual Lor says nothing clear

>>10106210
I respect her decision to overall let people speak for themselves if they want to. However, if you read between the lines there's got to be so much more to the story. The con chair being rude and making fun of a guests work is upsetting, but she's on the verge of tears at the end. I think he must have said and did much worse, most likely to the friend who talked to him one on one.

>>10106226
This. Although a little vague in places she didn't descend into rumour and gossip. It was a nice, sensible way to put her story across.

And anon's right, there must be more going on there. Considering she's been doing cons for a while now something really bad must of happened/been said for her to post that.

>>10106246
Yeah, not to mention how frantic she got when Tyler slept in/when she left before Tyler's flight. I don't think she'd worry that much if the worst case scenario was the con chair saying something rude.

>>10106246
She should have just said what bothered her and not hinting that the creep did something to someone, if Tyler or the other girl want to speak about what happened to them they should but Lor should have mentioned only her stuff and not saying anything about the other two girls at all.

>>10106246
I went to G-Anime and I know of the con chair. I saw him dragging a girl on the floor in the dealers room... so there's that. She was laughing, but it looked more like a "laughing it off" type scenerio. It made a whole scene. She looked like she just got up and walked away after that.

>>10106251
Maybe, but for what its worth she said both girls gave their permission to be mentioned in the video. At least she's doing her due diligence in that respect.

>>10106138
Telling half the story and being overly dramatic. It'd be nice to know what actually happened.

>>10106138
In this video, she mentioned other cons have been just awful too and it's contributing to her not wanting to do cons anymore. Does anyone know which ones she might be referring to or other ones she's been to? She only said OniCon was really good.

>>10106157
This was a big oof. I understand not wanting to incite a witch hunt or anything, but if the guy's a menace I wanna see someone name some names. She's very visibly rattled even recounting this shit so I'm wondering what more there is to this.

>>10106294
My best guess is sexual assault or something. Kind of creepy he wants to be "1 on 1" with these girls

>>10106138
Lor's fucking meltdown was so autistic. Is this how most lolitas act irl? Her weird fear of Taylor not going to understand she wasn't trying to bring her into this and having a panic attack at the hotel where she unloaded on fans was so fucking weird. Taylor can most certainly take care of herself.

>>10106305
i was hoping someone here would have more answers...i understand being sensitive, i cry at any kind of confrontation, but she seems so upset there has to be something else. especially how worried she is about tyler's whereabouts. i hope tyler says something about her experience and someone comes out to name and shame. attackers shouldn't be protected.

>>10106138
I hope Tyler or Ditto makes some kind of clarification on what happened. I appreciate Lor not telling someone else's story without permission, because it must be pretty bad.
The con chair wanting to get Tyler to do more work than necessary would have been annoying, and not being able to find Tyler on Sunday and wondering if she's with the con chair would be ANNOYING, not panic attack inducing. The con chair did something really bad or this wouldn't be a video.

>>10106317
She says that she had Ditto's permision to talk about it.

I do not think Tyler was in any danger she was with her boyfriend and desu I think Lor was not that concerned in the first place, if I would have had a friend in real danger I would have stayed those 6 hours with her until she would be safe on the plane.

>>10106138
I know this guy and apparently he attempted to assault a girl in our comm.

>>10106313
Absolutely. Lor seems undoubtedly sweet. She puts her heart into what she does, but her kindness is also sort of a vulnerability, which I really hate to say. I hate conflict, I hate coming off as abrasive, but you just have to put yourself first sometimes. If you're a sweetheart unfortunately some people will take that as an excuse to take advantage of you and see how far they can go with it. What really killed me was the part where the guy undermined her work. Like, how dare such a worthless person have the nerve to tell someone else what they do doesn't matter.

>>10106320
Also should add, I have many mutual friends with his guy who have described him as "unhinged" or "creepy". I understand being sceptical about this situation, but Lor has no reason to lie, and a lot of girls have come forward about this guys bad behaviour.

I don't know if he attempted to assault lor but I know for a fact this dude has a thing for lolitas. I don't know if he's a sissy or what but he actively preys on us and sees the fashion as sexual. Basically he's just another creep who wants to fuck a lolita. what's new?

>>10106328
Someone should complain about his behaviour.

>>10106335
We're doing so currently. It wasn't as bad last year, and I think some girls were scared to come forward, which is why nothings really happened yet. Plus this year he ran a lot of lolita stuff, which seemed like a blessing, but now it seems like he did so to get more lolitas to come so he could...i dunno, try it. We will have to see what happens.

>>10106328
He started harassing me less when I dropped wearing lolita so yeah that makes sense.

>>10106328
He started harassing me less when I stopped wearing lolita so yeah that makes sense.

>>10102915
If you read her description of the project she says she's only going to appear in the beginning of the video to introduce the topic and the rest will be various clips of black lolitas talking about their experiences.

>>10102882
I think lor is only doing this to promote them on her platform. she's using her voice to get minority voices out there, which is kind of her.

>>10106311
To put this in perspective Tyler is a foreigner, she doesn’t live there or know anyone and is really not able to remove herself from the con area especially with the bad weather. I can understand the worry here after you been told something happened with a friend the night before.

>>10106319
Lor said she was 6 hours from the con, not that Tyler waited 6 hours. Anyways that isn’t how the world works, she was driven to the con by someone and they need to go home. You can’t force 4 other people to skip work because some dude is being creepy to a girl. Tyler has her bf and it wasn’t like big danger just gross comments and awkwardness. In this case I think the guilt is from the fact that Lor suggested the con and it was a bad time for Tyler.

>>10106317
I'm pretty sure Tyler is making a video about it. At least she alluded to it on patreon.

>>10106311
...."irl"? have you not met a lolita before? gtfo normie

>>10106389
Lone lolita, not normie.
>>10106381
Post the patreon post here? It's titled "hoo boy do I have a whopper for you" and it sounds good.

>>10106391
if you don't act like this, then you can assume you're not the only one. Just because lor is "whiny" doesn't mean we all are. Generalizing things does nothing besides make you dumber.

>>10106138
Ok I've known this con for years, in the past the con chair has had a bad rep in the past for being kind of a dick to anglophones (primarily english speaking people) but this year is the first time I've heard of him actually being "creepy" or assaulting people. I felt fortunate we got such amazing fashion guests from him but I do want to hear more. Hopefully ditto will speak up about this?

>>10106439
Yes, but her fans just accepted it and apparently the lolitas on staff didn't do much about the con head either. Also, if an e-celeb broke down in front of me and unloaded, I'd be weirded out and uncomfortable.

>>10106454
>>10106254
Luc Biron is a disgusting person. He has harassed me and other Quebec lolita fashion members for years, and has cornered many women asking us to be his girlfriend or confessing his love. I am so glad Lor has said something about it.

>>10102080
How old Lor again?

>>10106501
28 or 29, I can't remember

>>10106246
I think she's clearly avoiding the whole "hearsay" issue that people whine about.

>>10106478
>if an e-celeb broke down in front of me and unloaded, I'd be weirded out and uncomfortable
That just implies you lack empathy, sorry to say. "E-celebs" are people first, and if Lor or someone else like her broke down in front of me for any reason I'd at least try to soothe them and ask how I could help. You have my condolences if you're always uncomfortable when witnessing someone expressing an emotion other than apathy.

>>10106576
Nayrt but it does depend on what the person is upset about. If she’s freaking out because she thinks her friend has been dragged off by a sex pest then hell yes I’d be sympathetic, but if she were screaming and crying about pronoun use like she did earlier on in the video I’d be very uncomfortable and probably looking for a way out myself.

>>10106478
That has nothing to do with what I said. Don't generalize based on anecdotal evidence.

I'm not gonna say who I am or go into detail, other than I was only a no-name attendee

Chair Sissy is a fucking sexual predator and shouldn't be allowed around young women

>>10106746
Chair Sissy should be openly and widely named and shamed then. John Leigh deserved it and more, so does this guy.

>>10106747
Yeah I saw happened to Tyler when she called out a sexual predator, and I don't have a fan following to support me; I don't need to get taken to court and sued into homelessness by this piece of shit

>>10106750
I highly doubt he'd have a case at all, especially since apparently many people are aware of his behavior. I'm not saying you personally should call him out and start a movement entirely on your own, but it shouldn't shouldn't be tolerated. Tolerating this shit just means he gets to do it to more people.

>>10106750
Whistleblow to Tyler. I'm not even kidding.

>>10106138
Anyone else got pretty much nothing concrete from this video other than "reeee prounouns" "reee water" "ree walking" and something something someone is a creep for some reason i won't say?

She didn't even clearly explain her conversation with the con chair besides some vague details. There were no actual quotes? What exactly did he "imply"? He wasn't even being a creep to her? Not defending this con chair at all but her info is so watered down that it doesn't really say much of anything.

>>10107098
I mean I understand what you’re trying to say and I wanna know what was clearly said too, but like she was almost broken down in tears at the video. It was very hard for her to say what she did when she was talking about him insulting her work. It just must have been hard. The other stuff was easier to say because she was ticked off/angry but the rest of it just really hurt her a little deeper.

If I was her I wouldn’t want to repeat it either.

>>10106678
With all the lolitas not coming out with anything to say and just being emotional and eluding to things, I think I have the right to judge. There's a local community involved in this plus the fashion show and they're just silent. Probably only Tyler is going to say anything else.

While I don't deny that he could have been being a creep, she should have talked to him regardless. that's kinda as if the head manager of your company came down and wanted to speak.. she kept putting it off, so it might have annoyed him because he had been trying to talk to her to begin with and she was acting like a child trying to avoid it.

>>10107128
He was pretty obviously trying to get her alone and in a situation he could easily intimidate her where no witnesses are around. He could’ve easily contacted her via her business email or in a group setting among other staff but he made a big deal of wanting more personal contact details she wasn’t comfortable sharing with him. I wouldn’t go off alone to talk to anyone with a well known lolita fetish either, especially after he publicly spoke to Tyler at a panel about how she/her style of dress is popular with sissies, let alone give him contact details or add him on social media as he was clearly expecting.

Bottom line is he made Lor feel unsafe and followed her around the con only to ultimately criticise and devalue her work. There is literally no professional discussion that he couldn’t have had with her in public or in a group setting.

>>10107115
are you not involved in the local community? We're taking action, and our mods have reported him and are talking to g-anime staff.
Also this has nothing to do with what i said again, work on your reading comprehension.

>>10106746
>>10106747
His name is in the thread. It's this comment. >>10106500
I'd like Lor to name and shame, but most of the people who matter already know who the con chair of g-anime is.

>>10107128
What kind of work are you in where it would be professional for your manager to badger you for personal contact information? Whether it’s to discuss legitimate business concerns Is irrelevant at that point. It’s also pretty clear that he wasn’t pursuing her personal info for strictly professional reasons.

>>10107128
ive staffed and the conchair was completely out of line. he isnt the head manager of the company, he's CEO. he has people he should have sent after her. its very clear that he didnt have good intentions

>>10107152
>work on ur reading comprehension
How about you work on yours?

Then why is there no one else talking about it? You're all silent on his obvious abuse. Tyler is obviously the only reliable one outside of Lor and is going to speak for you. I don't feel like a foreigner should be speaking on behalf of your local community and the fashion show that was apart of g-anime.

>>10107128
>she should have talked to him
Oh yeah no, she should have gone alone with him so he could grope her too, fucking genius
Definitely always go alone with men who keep trying to isolate you after sexually harassing other women in front of a fucking crowd, those dudes are super well adjusted

>>10107153
Well ok, his name was posted here and people know of him and his behavior. And? What else is being done about this? Are "the people who matter" doing anything about it or are they just sitting on their asses knowing the guy is an asshole and a possible sexual predator, and doing nothing?
I understand that something like this is difficult to bring up to the surface but someone (Lor) just did, and it's frustrating to see locals responding to her experiences with
>oh yeah I've known him for years he's a weirdo
If you've known that he's a weirdo for years, why is nothing being done about this?
I'm not complaining about you personally not doing anything btw, just sharing a thought. I hope the communities in Quebec and the con staff do something about this shit because it's unacceptable.

>>10107248
Not them but are you ever a girl?
How do you not know that men get away with this and worse all the time?
Predators stay in power because they know the right people.
This asshole knows other assholes higher up than him who like to do the same thing, just like in the United States government
The problem is /always/ higher up than it looks, Chair Sissy is a symptom, not the disease

>>10107251
I am a girl, but maybe I'm just naive because,
>just like in the United States government
I don't think it's that deep, at least not in this case. He's the chair of a small, badly managed con in Quebec, not the US president.

>>10107252
The point is that men stay in power, whether that's the chair of a shitty con or the head of a country, because there are other shitty men supporting them who silence the women who try to speak out against them.

Anon is saying he is the result of this system, not the creator of it.

>>10106500
Not to mention he is a disgusting sissy ita

>>10107248
I don't know exactly what's happening, but I know local Mods have been made aware and we're trying to get him banned
My voice has very little power here but many people who can make a change are talking to g anime staff and doing their best.
I understand where youre coming from. I'm also angry at anyone who was a bystander in this and I completely agree that it's likely many con organizers were aware. I understand your anger, hopefully we can make a change. I will be boycotting this convention and many other lolitas are too.
I'm only now really hearing about this-- I knew he was a bit unhinged, but none of the victims have come forward until now (and it's not their fault they've said nothing, as an assault victim myself I can understand the pain and how it's hard to be brave. I'm just glad they are okay).

>>10107174
What did I misread?

I think a lot of people knew he was a weirdo, but a lot of us didn't know he was a predator. A lot of this is just coming to light for us. Knowing a guy is awkward=/=knowing a guy is sexually harassing girls. I know a couple girls who know about it because they've been victims themselves and coming forward about sexual assault in a time where you're almost always accused of lying is really hard.

>>10107472
Again , I'm personally only just finding out, a lot of girls are also coming forward thanks to Lor's bravery.

I think in a lot of these situations people see a weirdo being weird once and think maybe it's a one off. Maybe I remembered it wrong, or else someone else would have said something. Don't want to start a witch hunt. And then you get loads of people all individually thinking this and when someone says something everyone realises it's not a one off, it wasn't just them, they didn't overreact or exaggerate, and then things get done.

>>10107481
This, fucking this, a million times this

There's a barrage of stories in the comments of the video now including from the fashion masquerade director, coordinators, vendors, other guests and attendees. This guy has been at it forever.

>>10107884
Oh dang for real?

Any hot women, I’m a doctor call or text me, I’m very handsome
07834194683

>>10107929
Go away, Sissy.

>>10107884
Fantastic! Glad this ended well at least.

>>10102141
Shes ugly, so her make up is actually pretty good

>>10102641

I miss deerstalker

>>10107884
Then something BAD happened
Hopefully we’ll get the full deets soon.
What a crazy way to end your career.

>>10108598

What's crazy is that he had a career to begin with. But a lot of men are scum. I work in an industry that's supposed to be upstanding and blah blah blah but I can tell you a lot of my colleagues are pure scum. I used to be one of those 'uwu we should be all equal feminism is bad' but now i'm starting to see their side. Fuck men.

>>10108603
I don’t like to generalize but I think it’s more a power thing. Once someone’s ego inflates to the point of “I can do anything” ethics and morality go right out the window.
Still, I hope the guy burns.

Drama aside, I will say I do think Lor’s wigs look bad.

>>10107986
Yikes this is a bad take

>>10108684
I don't think the guy needs to burn, but he has to do some soul searching. He didn't rape or assault anyone, he was just rude and creepy and abused his power to corner people and make them unhappy.

That's not criminal, but it is scummy. It's also behavior you can fix. It's important that people like Lor come out with their stories so behavior gets fixed, either before something happens or as soon as it does (and before it gets worse).

If all we do is demonize eternally and without consideration for the extent of bad behavior, then there's no reason for anyone to consider improvement.

>>10107986
no her makeup still sucks.
you can be ugly and bad at makeup at the same time, anon.

>>10107459
Any pics?

>>10108719
She looks younger with no makeup at all, the weird makeup is of no advantage to her

>>10105012
Supercarly64, duh.
>RIP Lashy-chan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjTLlK7XjQM

>>10102080
She’s horribly dressed, fugly, pretentious and gaining weight rapidly. 0/10

>>10102080
She's such a peppy sweetheart and I appreciate her even though I'm not a sweet lolita. She got me all excited to collab with her but she's been ghosting me for almost 2 months.

>>10108919
Oh damn, thanks for the memories

>>10107128
Why are you defending this creep?

>>10112176
She is slow in getting back to people , for example if you want to buy something of her be prepared to get it in 2 month.

>>10102815
I think a lot of her ‘sweetness’ is fake. It’s true that she avoids most salt/drama on camera bit little cues show that it’s at least partially a persona for the channel’s sake and she’s not actually that sweet/nice irl.

>>10112590
she is not sweet at all, she posted a react video to her old self, someone can never change from average bitch to sweet fairy girl. I don't like her becouse I suspect she is no longer in lolita for the fashion and it is for her just a way to make some cash.

>>10112604
>someone can never change
Anon, I don't give a flying fuck about Lor's personality, but I hope for your own sake that you give yourself the room and ability to change for the better as you grow older.

Believe it or not, a lot of us who were raging cunts in our younger years mellow way the fuck out as we get older.

>>10112604
>someone can never change
I want you to go to warosu right now, and pick out literally any cgl thread from 2015, read the whole thing, wipe the tears away, come back here, and again pick any cgl thread you want and read it
Then, and only then, can you say people can't change

That only goes for girls though, chair sissy and all other predators should die

>>10112590
Yeah, if you see the roast/toast vid (the 1st one in particular) you can really see her struggle to keep her sweet act on.

>>10112935
I thought the roles should have been reversed in that, Tyler seems much nicer out of character and Lor’s sweety-pie persona is pretty much a known fake failcake at this point. Also she whines, which I just can't tolerate.

>>10112176
Maybe she was faking being nice to you.

Just watched Lor's new video and a few things that stuck out that weren't so great were:

1. Her too pale foundation. I just don't understand why she wouldn't match her skin tone when she's naturally pale.

2. Her editing is just... bad. She can't seem to rehearse things very well, and when she messes up while recording she just interjects some shitty editing to make it a "haha" moment.

4. She doesn't speak very well. Frequent mispronunciations throughout all of her videos, like she never passed an English class. It's also very rude that she can't be bothered prior to filming to look up the correct pronunciations of French names, sponsors, and other people/other usernames that contribute their content for her videos.

5. Her interjecting in her videos that she can't wait to get out of lolita after filming. It's just not necessary. She seems so half-hearted with her coord choices for filming, and while the audience probably understands that she's just wearing it to film, it just comes off as though she's putting down the fashion altogether when she complains about wanting to get out of her clothes and into something comfy.

Oh, whoops, guess I forgot number 3 haha! Not like I didn't have time to write this out, reread it, and edit it if needed! Whatever!

>>10113385
Literally came here to ask if she was going for a shiro look. Shes fucking grey wtf

>>10113385

I've noticed this trend among white pasty girls who go at least 3 tones lighter than their actual skin color because they're 'uwu so pale.' She literally looks like a clown in this picture, her foundationis so pale and cakey wtf.

Lor's face has always made me extremely uncomfortable, she looks like an old hag with a younger persons body and her taste is horrid and I think it's annoying how much of a sjw lesbian she became after becoming friends with ALB

>>10102080
Lor please Im begging you invest in a fucking nose job

>>10113385
>>10113617

Foundation might have actually looked fine irl. I've come across some, especially the asian bb/cc type with built-in sun screen spf had some really strong whitecast that looked okay in person but the photos all come back with a totally different face shade because it just reflects so much light differently for the camera lens.

idk, I don't think it excuses Lor, you'd think with her experience she would have figured this out by now. otoh she's not exactly a pro with her own mua, so I'd cut her some slack if it's not something she does all the time.

Just hoping this doesn't actually become some stupid trend like some Korean brands putting out the lightest foundation colour and apparently some girls choose the skin colour they want to be, rather than match the skin colour they are.

>>10113640
Was it really after becoming friends with alb or after her boyfriend broke up with her? That seems like the point at which she went completely downhill.

>>10113659
This. So many people go downhill and into weird shit to hide the pain of the end of a relationship. Honestly it’s okay to go to therapy and talk about your emotions instead of venting to your unwilling friends

>>10113803
Not just her friends but her social media followers who are practically strangers to her. I can put up with a lot of SJW stuff but when she started posting about sex toys to her public sm I unfollowed her because dang girl, we’re not close and I really don’t need to know every ‘intimate’ detail about you.
She’s not the only ‘influencer’ who treats her social media audience like a personal therapist and I wish it would stop. Some privacy is a good thing, especially if you’re going through a rough patch and may not be in the mental state to be making the best decisions.

>>10113901
Sex toys and Lovely Lor can't believe it. Loooool I can't stop laughing

>>10113385
Okay but if you compare her hand here to the skin on her face, they’re practically the same shade. I don’t think the foundation is too light, I think she just puts too much.

>>10113385
my god, she looks so horrifying at the end with her black hair on that skin. Literally looks like a ghost out of a low budget horror movie.

>>10113955
She forgot that she is not on duty at Hunt

>>10113916
Actually the photo of her is nothing like the difference between her natural skin tone and her foundation in the recent Youtube video. The photo appears to have been edited, and yes, it does look better in the photo.

>>10113936
Actually, if you watch the video there is definitely a noticeable difference between her natural skin tone on her neck and hands compared to the lighter foundation she used.

The photo does appear to be edited, and looks better than she does in the video, where the color difference and texture on her skin are more visible.

What is wrong with her she is huge

>>10113385
The mispronunciations really get to me too. So disrespectful that you can't even take a minute to research.

>>10113643
No! I'm glad that someone with an ugly nose is popular. It makes me feel better about mine.

>>10114131
Soon she will no longer fit any of her brand

>>10113643
Eh, I’ve never in my life seen a good nose job. People always have weird snub noses after them and personally I think it’s better to own a unique face shape than try to shave it down to conform. There’s beauty in irregularity.

>>10114323
Or maybe because it's not just her nose that makes her look so ugly

>>10114110
bad foundation or not, there’s definitely a bad blue color cast that’s making her look so pale. she needs to fix her lighting or like actually white balance her camera.

>>10113385

Maybe if she contoured her double chin and added some bronzer she wouldn't look like the dead corpse of Mr. Burns

>>10114131
That bouquet is comically small in comparison.

>>10112176
I think that pep is a persona. I don't think she pays as much attention to individuals as she says she does.
>>10114278
And honestly this is why I think so- it takes 2 seconds to google how to pronounce things, which would solve 90% of her mispronunciations. All of her videos feel like she just spouts her surface-level knowledge and doesn't do a lot of research.

>>10114544
The bouquet is sooo very cute

Anyone else work in film that cringes at her endless "I Am A Documentary Expert" narrative Then why are your videos so bad tho?

>>10112176
Are you another youtuber?

>>10114556
She used to have some cool videos back in the old days

>>10114571
Nope. Just a nobody crafter that wanted to send her something for free in exchange for a instagram shoutout. She was so sweet and said she wanted to make it bigger than that and do a video. And then radio silence. I'm okay with a 'no', but muh heartstrings were played like a fiddle.

>>10115496
I'm not surprised. Lots of people at Paradiso gave her handmade accessories, some were really well made even, and she only mentioned cheezeits in her video about it. She didn't have to do a big shoutout for each person obviously, but why make your fans feel so unappreciated? Should could have at least feigned being thankful.

>>10115504
I mean, you just said lots of people gave her shit, probably even more than you knew. which ads up.

>>10102234
She may not be a lolcow but she's getting to be the size of a literal cow.

>>10115504
Really? It honestly put me off trying to ask anyone else, but if it's not just me, it gives me a little hope.

>>10115518
I don’t think she has to make a video on every gift she gets but if she promises someone a video and then never does it, that’s pretty shitty. Don’t make promises you won’t keep.

>>10107884
I still love how in her video she said she still wouldn't have minded to come back as a guest with the con chair there as long as somehow she would never be near the con chair at the con for the entire time. Like clearly she doesn't give a shit about what Tyler went through if she was still willing to go back again with him there lol I'd rather have someone else represent us as a whole than this schmuck.

>>10115496
She is a bitch she should have not promised , better a clear no than this. I am sorry for you anon

Feels like there are only reacts videos now.

>>10117695
Maybe she is depressed or something and has no more interest in lolita

>>10117701
S E L L
C L O T H E S
P L S

>>10115496
I feel like she doesn't bother thanking people publicly unless the gift is big enough. Back when I was a fangirl, I sent her some fan art and stickers I made in hopes of being in her mail video and see her reaction, and was so let down when I didn't make the cut. She gave a story shout out, but after I got a video and instagram shout out AND a follow back from Princess Peachie for a similar gift, I'm a little jaded. Lor doesn't seem deliberately rude, just careless.

>>10117760
I think becouse Peachie has less followers and sponsors.

>>10117760
If I had fans sending me so many things, I would do regular mail videos, jesus.

>>10115496
>>10117760
Same thing happened to me. She told me she would like to do something similar to what I was offering but she needs to focus on work that actually pays (I had offered to pay in my first post). I thought my work was a lot more interesting than the cheap stuff she was showing when she was working with that other accessories place. Talk about your work has no value... I was tempted to just send a package to her p.o. box but her mail videos were kind of thoughtless. She already opened most of them before the video so it was never her pure reaction. I've moved on to finding other influencers.

>>10113385
>It's also very rude that she can't be bothered prior to filming to look up the correct pronunciations
She always excuses this with "I'm American, [French/Japanese etc.] isn't my mother language~" and that bothers me. I don't think anyone expects her to immediately be able to perfectly pronounce every foreign word or name, but she can at least do her research beforehand and try her best. Imagine being involved in a Japanese fashion subculture for about a decade and still not know how to pronounce "kawaii" correctly. Most of us don't speak Japanese fluently or at all and can manage it well enough, Lor, get with the program please.

>>10113385
What I want to know is where she gets this pale-ass foundation? I have to use the lightest shade possible to match my pasty skin and I still don't look like a vampire like this.

>>10118063
Maybe it is a filter

>>10118063
She mentions being a seasonal halloween clown so probably that.

>>10115572
Don't loose hope. If she didn't answer there are plenty of other youtubers

>>10118063
Maybe Nyx? They have a huge foundation line which ranges from almost albino pale to really dark brown.

>>10102397
The fact that Tyler was the one who appeared to be genuinely struggling to come up with bad things to say, and she came up with something really horrible, super damn fast... Just wow.

>>10118063
try a white mixer anon, illamasqua makes a nice full coverage one and manic panic makes a sheer coverage one, depending on what you prefer. they work really well if you start with a foundation that matches your undertone well, but just leans too dark.

>>10119598
I really hope they do one the other way around sometime soon. I love how genuinely excited Tyler gets and I also enjoy Lor's critical streak

>>10119624
That's actually Lovely Lor's problem and why people are so iffy on her. She's trying to hide her true personality, and it makes people suspicious. However if she was just sincere and had assumed the position of the one criticizing the outfits, it would have simply been enjoyable and nice to watch and her public image wouldn't be suffering like it currently is.

>>10119713
Good point. She should embrace it more.

>>10119713
She is fake as hell. Worse than Cathy Cat or Venus.

>>10119721
Big lol, Venus is fine and Cathy is a snake. Lor having some salt in her doesn’t make her a bad person.

>>10119721
I'd say don't confuse Venus' generally difficult life and the issues that happen because of it (awkward personality, unsure of what her true self is, tends to want to sell things as true because this would signify that she has found stability and good health), with Cathy Cat's straight up snake personality and Lovely Lor's salty ass lmao.
Which btw is a great thing about Lovely Lor, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of salty lolitas out there who'd feel pretty good to know that "wow it's okay to be salty".

>>10119721
>>10119764
>>10119770

2019: We have made it full circle everyone. CGL loves Venus while Lovely Lor and Cathy Cat are the devil. GG. Time to pack up your wardrobes and go home.

>>10119773
Yeah, some of us grew up and stopped making fun of abused children, and learned how to identify fake ass bitches

>>10119773
Venus opened up about her body issues, abuse from her mom and her self awareness of her weeb cringe. She is pretty interesting to watch now, with hindsight 20/20 and all.

Cathy cat is just scum tho

>>10119778
Why does everyone hate Cathy Cat?

I can't stand her voice but the whole Shop in Wonderland thing was just work. Working with a Japanese company is so much different. You can't go throwing around your morals.

Also her content is just so much better than anything Lor and especially Tyler makes. She's actually in Japan. She actually interviews models and designers, shows Bunka fashion college, events, trends, etc. Her coords kinda suck but I learn so much more about j-fashion through her videos than the shitty anime con obsessed bubble of the western lolita YouTubers.

>>10119778
Cathy Cat is no better than Lor. Both are into lolita for the money it brings to them, none is a true lolita, but I think this goes for all famous Lolitas, I think only Tyler is a genuine Lolita from the youtubers.

>>10119798
There are a lot more Lolita YouTubers than just those three you know. They're just the only big ones

>>10119798
This, plus Tyler has actually done a lot of good for the egl and cosplay communities at her own expense

she's not funny though

>>10119805
>she's not funny though
so sad yet so true, she is an amazing girl and she is super genuine, however her content could use perhaps some assistance in writing? It has so much potential, but it's like she's too nice to actually be funny.

>>10119805
Tyler hasn't done shit for the lolita community. She is just an attention seeker who likes to shove herself into drama to seem relevant. Lor has totally caught on to that too with all their latest "boohoo con chair this and con chair that".

Can we get some actual lolita fashion relevant stuff here? I don't give a fuck about your anime cons. It's not lolita fashion and it's straight up embarrassing. You'd never see lolita brands at Asian cons. They have their own amazing tea parties and events.

And here we just shit all over each other while cosplaying.

>>10119815
Ok Deneice

>>10119816
Lol I'm not her. I don't know or care about her or anything or anyone related to anime cons. That's my whole point.

More street fashion and less anime drama please.

>>10119815
Without that cons it would be less interesting for us.

>>10119821
>More street fashion and less anime drama please.
This should be Lolita's prayer for the upcoming decade.

>>10119830
Those cons have the means to bring some Japanese designers to Europe or the US and that is a big deal when many of the brand stores across the world are closing

>>10119838
I'm not against all cons. Just anime cons. We had Rufflecon and that was great. Can we quit mixing with anime and turning more into a costume and maybe have the brands come out for fashion week or fashion events instead?

>>10119852
The manga/anime scene is bigger than the lolita one, there is no support for big only lolita events

>>10119791
No morals.

>>10119798
I think Lor is a genuine Lolita, she just makes dumb videos.

>>10119904
She showed in a video her wardrobe, she is having only few things and once she got a free dress of zennmarket, dress she sold on lacemarket the day after she had her promotion for zennmarket out, if I would get something free from a sponsor I would pick something I use for my wardrobe not something I sell imediatly.

>>10119815
>hasn't done shit
Well she fought a sexual predator in court on her own time and dime for a year, a man that had been praying upon girls for years
so fuck you

>>10119916
Did she actually do that? What the heck? Ew.

>>10119916
Why didn't she do a giveaway? Is she dumb or does she actually want bad PR?

>>10119956
>>10119960

Yes. I think Jewel Marine was the dress, she got even a bad feedback for the sale on lacemarket.
She is not dumb just gready

>>10119916
So not having a big wardrobe means you aren’t a real Lolita now? I think she sold a dress she didn’t like on herself, but that doesn’t mean she didn’t try it out. Not every purchase works out.

I've been gone from looking at /cgl/ and any lolita related social media for half a year and holy shit what happened to lor? She looks like she gained 60lbs.

>>10119990
She tried it out for the paid video by zennmarket and the next day the dress went out on lacemarket, she should have waited some time and it would have been less weird

>>10119805
>not funny though
that's just like your opinion, man.

>>10119929
Different anon here. Pretty sure she didn't fight him in court. He threatened to take her to court because of the amount of insults she threw at him in her video about him, but eventually dropped it when the community pressure became too much for him.

I like her videos, i find them entertaining, and I think a lot of her editing is funny.
She's ugly and doesn't know how to put on make up, but lots of people are ugly and can't do make up so I don't hold it against her.
I wish her and Tyler could switch roles in a roast and toast video.That could be funny, and give her a chance to shed her incredibly fake persona. Maybe her fans prefer the fake cute thing, but I think a more bitchy personality is more entertaining personally, especially when it's more real.

>>10122045
But anon, if she showed her true colors then Lor can't shove her fake uwus down everyone's throats and claim to be a ~super nice lolita guru ^_^~

>>10122059
I guess that's true. It sucks that audiences seem to think people are only ever 100% nice or 100% mean, and can never change. Just because her "true colors" aren't perfectly sweet doesn't mean she can't be a nice person too, you know? But I get why she can't let on what she really thinks sometimes, since she's got money riding on the success of her videos and all.
I like her reactions to documentaries and stuff, though she's clearly running out of content to react to at this point which is a shame.

>>10122084
Once she gains 10 more lbs she won't fit any of her brand so maybe she can do unboxings for custom taobao plus sizes kek

I don't understand why everyone is suddenly saying Lor is fake just because she doesn't want to broadcast every bad thing she thinks?? Why is someone having tact all of a sudden fake and someone spewing the most vile things they can think of is so good and real.

People can be three dimensional. Lor has made it obvious in her videos that she thinks badly of some things but I admire that she has enough tact to not sling shit everywhere for the sake of "expressing her opinion". Not every opinion needs to be expressed publicly. I would never just come up to people at meets and start telling them what I dislike about their coords and behavior, nor would I want to make videos like that.

I just fucking love wearing lolita and I love seeing actual content about the fashion rather than about some drama between nobodies.

>>10122099
>suddenly

People have been saying it for a LONG time.

>>10122094
You are a lolita meany . I am just glad she owns honey cake and I think that dress will go on sale there is no way that she fits in it

>>10122099
I guess I didn't word my post well enough, I can see where you thought I wanted her to start spewing nasty opinions- but that's actually not the case at all.
I think the best, most recent example is in her roast and toast videos with Tyler, where she often visibly struggled to refrain from becoming the "roaster" and was hard-pressed to come up with nice things to say about some of the coords that had been submitted.
Again, I like her videos and think they're funny- but at times when she's clearly holding herself back, or readjusting her phrasing, I want to shout out "it's okay! say what you're really thinking!!"

>>10122117
I didn't force her to gain 60lbs anon, she did it all on her own.

>>10122121
Isn't that the point of those roast & toast videos though? That Lor HAS to say something positive no matter what, and Tyler HAS to say something negative no matter what. And if the coord in question isn't very good, it's understandable that Lor would struggle coming up with compliments, that's what makes these videos challenging.
If anything, you can take Lor's "coord fixing" videos as an example of her being fake nice. She calls mediocre coords "perfect" and never says anything about makeup about girls who very clearly wear none and should wear at least some, among other things.

Her latest video is crap, she praised a guy with no sense in fashion only becouse they know eachother

>>10124715
I was thinking the exact same thing. She was way too subjective where her whole thing has always been (supposedly) how she's trying to be objective about the videos.

>>10124715
I honestly don't know what the point of that video was. All they did was constantly squeal about him with his hideous clothes and his hideous makeup. He looked awful and made me feel embarrassed to watch that video while I was home alone. Lor didn't look much better either desu. And I don't know if it's just me, but for some reason her girlfriend always sound so fake to me. I never feel like she's saying what she actually thinks. Though it might be because I'm really sick of seeing her in videos, and my brain is trying to make up a reason to dislike her.

>>10124715
So it wasn't just me then? Don't get me wrong, it's fine to make videos for and about your friends, but for a channel that tends to focus on alternative fashions represented honestly and well, I too felt really awkward as an audience to it :/

>>10108774
His lolita facebook/insta is public (Kaori Plasse or @kaoriplasse)

Someone needs to tell Lor that her girlfriend is irrelevant to her channel. It’s painful to watch.

>>10124909
she's getting her gf into wearing lolita

>>10124767
Oh my god absolutely disgustin'

>>10124909
Honestly not sure why it would bother you so much? As she said in the g anime video, Holly helps her film so she goes to most Lolita events with her. Yes, she makes appearences in a lot of other videos too, but that's par for the course for pretty much any youTuber that lives with their SO...

>>10124988
What other lolita youtuber shoves their SO down your throat like lor?

>>10124767
Gross.

>>10124988
I’m going to make a direct parallel here with ALB (not a Lolita, but a friend of Lor’s), who has a wife and has her in a lot of her videos, but not to the point where it becomes “me and my wife show”. Lor, on the other hand, seems to be losing focus as to what her channel is actually about.

>>10124989
Not specifically Lolita channels, but I can think of loads of other youtubers that do this.

>>10124993
To be fair, ALB literally started a second channel to start a web show with her wife and posts to it way more than her regular channel.


Also, lor does still post majority Lolita videos and I don't think her channel was ever meant to be exclusively Lolita anyway, she's always made videos about her haunted house stuff too, for instance. I don't understand how there can be expectations of 'don't film your girlfriend because you're a Lolita youtuber' for someone making free content?

>>10125005
See but I like the fact that she started a second channel, so that people who wanted that content could enjoy it, and people who didn’t care could pass on it.

>>10125005
Lor is shoving her ugly clone gf down our throats. Nobody gives a shit but her and she's forcing it on people

>>10125005
Hi Lor. Just wanted to say stop fucking forcing your girlfriend into every video possible. I think it's fine if it's a video like her helping you film at cons but I did not subscribe to you for years to suddenly have this chick in my face every vid of yours. People probably wouldn't say anything in the first place if you had done vids with her only once in a while instead of suddenly turning your channel into a "WATCH ME AND MY GF DO XYZ NOT EVEN RELATED TO MT CHANNELS ORIGINAL PURPOSE" marathon.

>>10125025
Just unsubscribe then desu. Lots of YouTubers evolve. If you don't like the evolution, stop watching and unsub.

>>10125031
Already did. Doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion about how her channel is going rapidly downhill.

>>10125025
She should be free to post whatever the fuck she wants, as you are free to unsubscribe.

>>10125045
I hate when people make these kind of arguments. No one is saying she shouldn't be allowed to make this or that.

We are just discussing what she should do to make her videos better and more appealing since we (lolitas, not cgl) are her target audience.

She's not making videos for the sake of just making them for herself. She is clearly trying to contribute to the community and gain popularity and a following. When a person is making content for an audience and a goal, there's nothing wrong with giving constructive criticism.

Her gf is hot and they are cute together but I also agree it's a bit too much of her sometimes. I liked the videos where they dress each other or do a jfash react vs a lolita react.

At the same time tho I'd much rather watch them together than the thousandth unboxing of AP or Taobao haul. I miss actual lolita content that spurs discussion, or is actual useful research material for noobs and when you just want to look back at an era of lolita with nostalgia . Lor is the only one making that kind of content right now.

>>10125045
Calm down Lor.

What happened to her black history month video?

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>>10125025

Exactly, ALB included her wife in a few videos and when they realized that it wasn't just a small thing they wanted to do, they started a new channel SPECIFICALLY for both of them. Their discussions are wonderful too! No meme spamming or immaturity.
IMO Lor acts much more immature around Holly and she adds nothing to their videos.

Also, recently featured on FB

>Meet "US" at Tekko con

lmao no one cares about yr gf

>>10125068
Her target audience is whoever doesn’t skip the ads before the videos. She has enough of a backlog that YouTube’s algorithm is going to recommend her to anyone searching for anything vaguely jfash related, so now all she has to do is pump out fifteen minutes of random content a week to make bank.

>>10125687
people actually watch ads on yt? Been living with adblockers so long that I didn't even know there were so many freaking ads. I never see any lol

>>10125443
She is delaying it so it isn’t rushed. You too can follow her updates on fb and Twitter

>>10125687
That's stupid. If all she had to do was "pump out 15 min of content" her content would be trash, like those other people that just do "look at me" videos. At least she's actively trying to find new topics to make videos about and is taking people's suggestions.


Personally I look forward to her new vs old lolitas video. I just know that all the new lolita complaints will be "wah elitists and wah expensive" but I hope she will use the older lolitas comments to shut that down, like in her "how to afford lolita" video.

>>10125665
agreed. Lor loses all sense of focus and becomes an extremely immature airhead the moment Holly decides to drop in while she's filming.

Holly seems nice and all and I wouldn't mind if she was in a video here or there where the topic was relevant to her being there (ie the my gf dresses me in lolita video or whatever) but if Holly really wants to participate in Lor's channel they either need to make a separate channel for it or Holly needs to get her own channel.

I'm so bored with Holly dropping in or being dragged in at random for unscripted nonsense; if there is one person who shouldn't be doing improv, it is absolutely Lor. (Not sure how much she scripts her videos but it is obvious she at least makes notes of topics she wants to discuss to keep herself on track, but then whenever Holly shows up all of that is tossed out the window.)

Lor is on this weird edge of wanting to seem really professional with her videos, but at the same time thinks that her audience, who is used to this video style from her, is going to be okay with l0lz random!11!1!!ness that happens whenever Holly is around.

She needs to pick a direction and stick with it bc I'm already ignoring half of her videos as it is. I'm only subscribed to her because she's one of the few lolitas with decent effort put into her videos, even if only a fraction of them are actually relevant to lolita.

>>10125665
also on the topic of lolita youtubers and their SOs, I think Scarfing Scarves is a shining example of there being a time and a place for everything. Her bf rarely shows up in videos and when he does he keeps it related to what she's talking about.

Aka he doesn't randomly sit down with a guitar in the middle of her video and start playing while she's trying to talk about her topic.

>>10125903
You, uh, missed the point with that guitar bit.

>>10125912
Hey Lor. Please stop shoving your GF in our faces

>>10125912
No, I got the point. It was cringy and irritating and entirely unnecessary, whether it was scripted or random. So you're kind of missing my point, it seems.

>>10125665
Holly is using her small efame and Lor welcomes it. She's fake edgy and loves the attention. Her followers eat up the "goth' and lolita lesbian couple shtick though. There's no reason for her to be in the videos. She's not even a fucking lolita.
At least Tyler barely even mentions her boyfriend of eight fucking years and calls him her cameraman or "someone special" at every instance instead of going "uwu look at him"
It's so obnoxious. I wanted to see lolita content, not a normie and a lolita talk about fucking nothing

>>10125963
>her boyfriend of eight fucking years and calls him her cameraman or "someone special" at every instance


That's actually really adorable

Holly posts on lolita fb groups I think she is now into lolita

>>10126301
What is she posting? I sure hope it's not advice.

>>10126308
Nope she asks for advice in the big sisters of lolita group, she wanted to buy an old Angelic Pretty dress from when the brand was still called Pretty

>>10126470
I hope she doesn't buy it. That oldschool treasure is wasted on her

>>10126486
I can't imagine that an old school dress would fit a 6' girl

>>10126496
I'm 5'11" and wear old school exclusively.

>>10126497
I bet you look like a busted can of biscuits

>>10126504
I've seen this insult around cgl several times recently, get a new one biscuits-chan

>>10126509
It's a very common phrase that's been used here for years newfag

>>10126504
What does that have to do with anything? lol. And nah, it fits with room to spare. The only real issues I have wearing old school and being tall is that sleeves are usually a bit too short, and skirts can be short, but peeking bloomers and wrist cuffs are things.

>>10126504
Fuck off, fat midget-chan.

>>10126531
>projecting that hard

>>10126532
lmao you're the one who immediately thinks being tall = looking like "a busted can of biscuits"...
So, it's not really far fetched to guess that you're just bitter that girls who are taller and skinnier than you fit old school easily.

>>10126497
I am 5'8 and my old school skirts are much to short

>>10126533
P R O J E C T I O N and also a lack of reading comprehension

>>10126600
peeking bloomers.

>>10126604
Quit typing like a retard

>>10126634
As soon as you stop projecting so hard.

>>10126635
If you don't want people to be "mean" to you, then maybe you shouldn't tell somebody who's tall - without even having seen her - that she must look shitty wearing the niche fashion she likes. To normies all of us look bad, so why do you as a fellow lolita try to gatekeep based on something like height? That's just incredibly childish.

>>10126470
>asking strangers in FB groups for advice instead of Lor
kek

>>10126638
Nobody said anything about people being mean. Stop being retarded.

>>10126670
nayrt, but it's possible she's planning on buying something for Lor and wants it to be a surprise.
that's the most logical thing I can think of at least.

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>>10126696

>insulting each other instead of Lovely Lor

Okay, thread's over!

>>10126740
Jokes on you I insulted her too

I think she's incredibly overrated. Her coords are just typical brandwhore regurgitation (which there isn't anything wrong with, but it's nothing new or creative) and her videos are incredibly boring. She also comes off as the type of person who wants to please everyone, so she doesn't form/voice real opinions on anything, regardless of how important (such as the Anime Matsuri fiasco).

She looks beyond horrible in her newest video, why is she doing her hair like that?! Looks more like Yolandi Visser than lolita...

>>10127780
It was one thing when she was just too ugly to wear her hair like that, but now she's too ugly, too aged looking, and too fat. I get such bad second hand embarrassment over her. I think it's fine to wear sweet as you get older but jesus fucking christ lor there is a limit to what you should wear.

>>10127780
I mean, she wasn't even in lolita in this video so???

>>10127780
what the hell is she even wearing here? terrible.

>>10127780
Nope. She looked cute, and her video was helpful. Especially for a shy person who needs help phrasing things in awkward social situations.

>>10127785
There is no age limit for kawaii.

>>10127896
There's also no age limit for ita. It's obvious she just piled on a bunch of freebie shit she got from dumb sponsors that sent her free shit. If she willingly put that all together and bought it all herself than I feel even more sorry lol

>>10127896
Yeah but that's not kawaii

>>10127780
Peachie does it like this all the time . Lor looks better

>>10127896
You're right, kawaii didn't suit her when she was younger either.

>>10127780
i thought it looked like a try to imitate Peachie, but she can't pull it off that hair just looks gross on her

>>10128130
>Lor looks better

Lor is hideous, stop lying.

>>10128395
Witch kei

>>10119624
Agreed. It was definitely amusing seeing them acting so opposed to their internet personas and I really appreciated getting a taste of their personalities behind the camera, but it did confirm my suspicion around lor and made me dislike her a fair amount.

>>10125718
I keep ads on to support creators bc I watch youtube so much and think that they deserve money for their work, but I skip them once it allows me to skip ads.

>>10126301
Have you seen her post on IG of her "coord"? That recycled devilinspired dress from Lor was already ita, and her natural hair doesnt match at all with the rest it. She looks like a mess, if she wants to wear lolita because of Lor she should at least try to not be so ita lol

>>10125963
Lor's content started going downhill when she and Holly started dating. I'm glad theyre happy or whatever but the quality dropped quick, theres literally no reason for holly to be in all her videos. also IIRC Holly mentioned on twitter that she reads this thread and called it "anon hate" or something lol

Hey Holly. Since you lurk this thread, maybe you could bring up the topic of losing weight to Lor. She's gained a lot of weight very rapidly, it looks like 60-70lbs in the span of two years or less. She's putting her health at risk.

>>10128890
Just pay for YouTube subscription then. It's not even that much money and you can share it with 6 people making it ridiculously cheap if you all split.

>>10129012
Holly won't do this, because she has a fetish for fat girls.

>>10119773
Venus grew up. She's a pretty cool cat now, and abuse isn't funny. Her mom is the center of the milk.

>>10127785
It's fine to wear sweet when you're older if you know how to properly adapt your makeup/styling to not stick out like a sore thumb. Even being aged and wrinkled, you can pull it off if you put the effort. Otherwise you just look...bad. She's wearing drag queen makeup, which doesn't help considering she already has kind of a manjaw and has been bulking up so is getting a less feminine body. It makes her look like a sissy. She needs to start from scratch - stop watching dragqueen makeup tutorials and learn makeup and hairstyles that work better with her face. Also lose weight to get to where she was a year or two ago - this part isn't even about appearance so much as it is her health. Why is she letting herself go so fast? It's kinda alarming considering how fast she's putting on the pounds.

>>10129086
Didn't she get a white girlfriend while she was still married to a Japanese man?

>>10129186
This thread will get nuked if we talk about her but most guys are cool with their gfs having a chick to sidefuck (as long as they get in on it sometimes/get some images). Girls aren't a thread to guy egos unless they're super insecure. Girl on girl is hot for most dudes.

>>10129174
Maybe she is pregnant

>>10129194
Why are all threads that mention Venus killed? We talk about every snowflake and is no problem why is she so special that is not allowed to talk about her?

>>10129194
Don't think japanese men are like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUUQvgo9ciM

>>10131714
Lor is sooo ugly in this video

>>10126486
She didn’t state that she was planning on buying it. She was just curious as to what dresses looked like from when it was just Pretty.

Yeesh