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Refinery29 posted a video on the chola fashion subculture in Japan, which reminds me of the blackface debates around b-stylers, some takes on ganguro, etc.

What do you think of this side of jfash? And is the chola look the new ganguro?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u1LqF03UUdc

>> No.10130354

>>10130336
>ay dios mio
Why should Japanese have all the fun?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAWKexU7QAo

>> No.10130355

>>10130336
I think it’s hilarious and I can’t wait for white people to start emulating it like they did ganguro only to get rekt by the SJW police

>> No.10130361

>>10130355
I'm in LA...I can't wait to see them get rekt by REAL cholas

>> No.10130366

>>10130361
im gonna apply some hood logic and say that fucking with cholas with samuari swords seem like a bad idea homie

>> No.10130380

okay it's bad and racist and whatever, but they look great and so do actual cholas
they're all too good for me but I support them from a far

>> No.10130384

>>10130336
Why does she have a bandana tied around her thigh?
Is that a real thing?

>> No.10130386

>>10130355
Ganguro had influences from American culture both black and white, but it was definitely its own thing — a unique aesthetic. These people are meticulously imitating 90s cholo aesthetics like Colonial Williamsburg reenactors. There’s nothing new for white people to take on — that would just be white people imitating cholas themselves, and plenty already do.

>> No.10130394

>>10130336

This is worse than ganguro.
With ganguro there were several elements with a unique japan twist on it.

This chola thing is a straight right off. Definitely awful.
The only guy who wasnt appropriating the culture/style was the artist who put an emphasis on family and not depicting ppl with drugs or violence/weapons.

>> No.10130411

As someone from a family full of cholas, I fucking love this

>> No.10130429

I don’t think ganguro was ever bad. They just wanted to be tan. Is everyone taking spray tan now a racist blackface scum?

>> No.10130438

>>10130336
who cares. people get so upset over anything now a days. Take it as a damn compliment another race is inspired by your culture.
Why does it always have to be a negative thing.

>> No.10130466 [DELETED] 

>>10130336
Tbh, it's never struck me as racist when Japanese people do this, because unlike in the US or even in South Korea, the youth who do this typically aren't racist, hateful shitheads at the same time.

They actually have an appreciation and curiosity for the cultures without any weird atmosphere of "Those people are bad, but the stuff they do is good, so I'm going to steal it. It belongs to everyone uwu". If the whole world was like that, I don't think anybody would be bothered by cultural appropriation.

I never had a problem with gyaru/ganguro, and I don't have a problem with this.

>> No.10130481

>>10130336
There no longstanding history of asian people mistreating latinos and thus no one cares.

>> No.10130506

>>10130336
>chola fashion subculture
So pretty much 99% of normie thot fast fashion nowadays?

>> No.10130512

>>10130466
>>10130481
This. The cultural context is completely different. This is appreciation and it's really nice to see, especially for an aesthetic that gets so maligned in parts of the USA

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>> No.10130536

>>10130361
Honestly most of the cholas I know irl would think this style was hilarious and cute, they probably wouldn’t want to fight some random Japanese girls

On a somewhat related note I’ve always noticed that a good amount of the clothes you can buy at Mexican shops/markets in SoCal has some almost gal vibe (not talking about chola fashion here, the women who would be wearing this are more like feminine/normie and they probably wear this stuff for clubbing)

>> No.10130539

>>10130536

>>10130361
Oh wait I’m dumb as fuck, you meant white people aping the Japanese style and not Japanese people, it’s too early. Sorry anon

>> No.10130573

>>10130438
I know wtf
Clothes are not race

>> No.10130630

>>10130506
Ew no. I hope normie fashion is never called chola.

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>>10130336
>unzipped fly

>> No.10130651

>>10130336
chola isn't a thing at all where I am, and honestly this just looks trashy, like married at 17 with two kids but thanking the lawd for every damn thing she got trashy.

>> No.10130689

>>10130651
Married with things to be grateful for doesn’t sound so bad. (It’s usually worse than that, anon.)

>> No.10130766

>>10130651
As far as I understand it, chola is a substyle born out of rebellion. Akin to lolita pushing back against corporate uniform culture, chola says "I'm not going to be like my modest mom." It's a style that signifies toughness, resilience, and community.

I like the video, but some parts of their wardrobes could have been left out (the prison costume).

It would be incredible for these Japanese women to travel to SoCal to meet cholas IRL. The cholas would get such a kick out of it!

>> No.10131153

>>10130336
I was pretty much casually okay with it until she pulled the irange prison inmate costume out of the closet.

>> No.10131228

Mexicans don't care about filthy CHIs. Chicanos, especially Californians past 1st gen Americans, are barely mexican.

>> No.10132654

>>10130466
I think it's more Japan is ignorant of the idiosyncrasies of the American social sphere. All they see is a cool style. They don't know about where it came from or the sometimes problematic histories.

>> No.10132665

This was really surreal to watch as I'm also a SoCal native and this is just what a lot of people I know wear, what their houses look like, and their cars. It's so ordinary to me, I was surprised anyone else found such romanticism around the subculture. The documentary definitely made me see my daily life from a new perspective.

>> No.10132668

>>10130766
Well put. You would think lolitas/cosplayers would understand and appreciate different alt fashion cultures

>> No.10132679

>>10130466
Japanese are just polite racists.
They won't sit next to you, but they'll still think you're up to something

On topic:
Weird but I can dig it. If it rebounded to the US it would just be SoCal revival/bringing back the 90's~ish.

>> No.10132730

>>10130438
I'm sure OP isnt even a Chicano or Mexican, but just some dumb honkey shit stirrer

>> No.10132735

>>10132730
Can you reel in your racism?

>> No.10132756

Of all the beautiful subcultures in the world, that's the one they chose?

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>>10132756
Yeah man, when are they going to imitate the Congo dandies? (In full blackface, of course.)

>> No.10132779

>>10132773
Honestly, the sapeurs are amazing. I really identify with their quest for aesthetic, as a poorfag lolita in an ugly town.

>> No.10132784

i'm just surprised j-chola are still around - i heard about them back in 2010 so this is wild to me

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>>10132654
>>10130466
>>10130512
This is true. Japan has been blindly copying western fashion for centuries. SJWs don't care when asians practice "whiteface" because on some level they see white culture as universal, something that should be spread everywhere. Fashions created by brown people need to stay in their own lanes though

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>>10132756
>>10132654
Nevermind that Japan adopted the rockabilly and greaser style decades after it came about in the US. In past decades a lot of Japanese fashion companies scoured for ideas by parking themselves on Ivy-league campuses and copying whatever New English upper-class styles they saw young WASPs wearing.

They also realistically assumed that if it was politically correct to copy the Italian-american underclass, then the same applies to hispanic-americans

>> No.10132857

>>10130536
Gal fashion was based on “California girl” fashion , or what Japanese thought it was so yeah...