/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

tfw penguindrum is so long ago I can no longer decide whether or not I want to drop $300 on #animefashion

>>10157762
Do it if you like the clothes

>>10157762
Here I sit, refreshing this page over and over

>>10157779
It's up
blouse:
http://innocent-w.jp/onlineshop/en/193101.html
skirt:
http://innocent-w.jp/onlineshop/en/193202.html

I'm sad that the skirt wasn't rereleased in black.

>>10157745
>>10157124
>>10157133
Awesome, thank you for reminding us they exist. Can't wait for my next paycheck.

>>10157782
Am I seeing the number of skirts correctly? Only 7?

>>10157762
>>10157782
This is so plain and boring, are people only excited about it because it’s from an anime?

>>10157745
Those tiny crosses at the end are so cute

>>10157771

It's kind of borderline there, too. The blouse isn't my thing but that double bow tie is cute (not $150 cute though...), the entire ensemble is kind of similar to, but actually not really my style (but it looks cute enough I'm tempted to give it a shot...) ...Augh, decision just got worse.

>>10157795

I don't know about everyone else, but Penguindrum was particular favorite of mine, and IW is also a favorite brand, so it's very much excitement at favorite things colliding, or it was... back when it came out so long ago.

Anyway, another way to look at it is, the pieces look boring but because they're not terribly flamboyant eye-catching flashy clothing, it's easy to mix and match them with other IW skirts and blouses and get a lot of different looks out of them. One of the biggest appeal for this collab is it's the most solidly lolita ones in a while, it actually looks like IW designed them in their own characteristic, toned down style, rather than being an anime first and then later became a lolita collab that's borderline cosplay, if that makes sense?

>>10157785

7 is IW's colour code for blue. We don't know how many they have in stock actually.

>>10157795
I like the cut, the detailing of the skirt and that it's cotton.

is there a jewelry thread going on and i just couldn't find it? i have questions about casting butterfly wings in resin to get an effect like this for a coord i'm putting together

thanks in advance!

Why the fuck do people with no taste/sense of what looks good get into lolita? What could possibly be the appeal of a fashion that requires coordination skills to someone who can barely put together a decent normie outfit??
The mind boggles.

I really want to like this print but they do kind of look like aliens..

>>10157839
>Why the fuck do people with no taste/sense of what looks good get into lolita?
Well its subjective so those people just don't see it the way you do.

>>10157852
Why do you really want to like it?

Tbh I don't understand why people like AP prints besides the ones by imai kira. Their solids look much cuter and prints are better done by Baby and Meta.

>>10157860
Because I love cat prints and don't care for the AP bandwagon hate that gulls love. I like Meta too but AP is more accessible to me and they release things I like more that fit my style.
I like baby too but I don't buy a ton of plain pieces like they offer and I don't care for their prints.

>>10157862
The hate band wagon? Gulls (and most American lolitas) are obsessed with AP, they're the only brand that gets posted about so often.

Marine Island JSKs just went on sale to celebrate Golden Week(?) so only this week

>>10157882
I love this print so much but I want the skirt, fml

>>10157795
I bought it after wanting it since the original release. It is partially because of the show, for sure.
The blouse is super cute though and the skirt is a color I almost never see in lolita. Plus it is really wearable for casual stuff.
It just ticks a lot of boxes for me. As someone who likes IW solid skirts a lot it just captures my heart.

>>10157839
They just want to be the uwu kawaii girls they see in the animes.

>>10157875
NAYRT but everyone seems to have an obsession with shitting on their new releases then loving them a few months later once people start posting cute coords and photos. I feel like a lot of people, especially gulls, have had this attitude towards AP for several years now just because "muh 2008 sweet!111!!".

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of old AP, but I love new AP too, and most of my favourite stuff from them is from 2013-present, and it's the same for many others judging by what's popular. AP has evolved and followed trends over time, because that's just what happens in the fashion industry, but they're still AP. Stylistically, they're still the most popular and iconic sweet brand, known for their cute prints and designs.

The long Moitie Bat Collar shirt on a 162 cm model (left) vs on a 146 cm model (right).

>>10157942
>literally looking like a retarded Victorian baby
The prophecy has been fulfilled

>>10157956
You know anon, for some of us that is an desirable look, don't be a hater.

>>10157974
Not hating, I say it with affection. Sadly I'm not short enough for it to look like that on me

>>10157839
>be not a cute girl
>see a cute girl wearing lolita
>“if I wear lolita, I too will become cute girl!”
They don’t give a shit about fashion

>>10157915
A lot of us are upset at the lack of detail they used to be known for. Now it's following the casual/dress down trend which ends up looking like a slapped together dress. Just look at the past few releases. Fleur cat jsk has the plainest bodice I've ever seen AP release on a non-special set cut. Why are the prices not reflecting this lack of detail?

>>10157762
I mean, you could easily do a similar coord with another skirt and blouse...

I actually loved it because it looked like something I already wore or love to wear.

>>10157882
I'm an AP fag but I just love the fabrics that Baby uses so much more. Look at how sturdy yet pretty the texture looks. Please more of this and less chiffon. Sadly that will never happen..

>>10157852
They look like gremlins - extremely cute!

>>10157942
I love the left but I know it will look like right on me ugh

>>10158003
>A lot of us are upset at the lack of detail they used to be known for
I keep seeing this complaint but I have bought recent releases and they were not lacking in details. I want to know why people keep making this claim and only really on cgl.

>>10158069
Cgl is just really repetitive. You see the same with Baby the Stars Shine bright, people still bringing up that shoe problem and blacklisting thing from ages ago like it's relevant now. There are also a lot of NEETs on 4ch so I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same few people repeating themselves.

>>10158000
This could also apply to those who care about the fashion. For example, a lot of people fall in love with or find a new dreamdress because someone cute is wearing it.

>>10157942
This looks like bpn.

>>10158069
parroting what others say. It's unlikely the person you're replying to has bought a recent dress. It's very common for /cgl/ users to repeat word of mouth.

>>10158081
This. A lot of people are just rpers or lolitas at hear a la ihop-chan. They look at release pictures, post on ruffle chat and /cgl,and maybe make a coord collage but that's about it.

I know a lot of people were looking to repaint shoes for one reason or another and right now Michael's has a 40% off all online items coupon. So If you want to grab a ton of angelus paint, now would be a good time.
Code is SAVE40W

>>10158069
Just taking a quick look at AP's cat prints the past few years, here's a comparison for you. Feel free to point out anything I missed.

>>10157981
Don't worry anon, i was joking.

>>10158095
My Favorite Room was released in 2018, wasn’t it? Why didn’t you include it?

>>10158013
>I'm an AP fag
>whines about the same thing all AP haters whine about
Next you’ll say their designs look like Taobao. But you’re still their biggest fan!!1

>>10158105
Because I don't consider that a cat print.

>>10158109
>has cats on it, not even obscurely so, they are prominent in the print
>it’s not a cat print

Alright retard, whatever you say.

>>10158109
The headbow even has a gold cat charm on it anon, why don’t you consider it a cat print?

>>10158105
NAYRT and yes that is a cat print, sure, but more i think that list is of cat BORDER prints so would not include My Favorite Room

>>10158112
Then anon should have specified border prints, not just “cat prints.” Because my favorite room is a cat print, it has cat accessories that were released alongside it, the whole 9 yards.

>>10158111
Because I'm a purist and cat's aren't the focus.

>>10158113
>http://www.angelicpretty.com/newarrival/newarrival/index_20180721.htm
Where exactly are the cat accessories anon?

>>10158124
Those weren’t all the accessories that came out with it, just only some of the headwear. I don’t have a link and lolibrary is useless. But here’s an example of how the headbow has a cat charm.

https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/products/w-42030

But I guess since your autism is triggered by this cat print not being what they normally do you make up arbitrary rules for it?

>>10158124
nayrt but I’ve seen some of the accessories anon is talking about pop up on either fril or mercari, but I can’t find them on lolibrary. I can’t even find the main pieces on lolibrary

>>10158125
>http://www.angelicpretty.com/newarrival/my_favorite_room/index.htm
A cat charm doesn't make a cat print. But I already said this is my opinion anyway and has nothing to do with the point of the image.

>>10158128
I’m sorry you’re too autistic to admit a print with cats predominantly featured in it to the point the charms on it were cat themed and some accessories that went it were cat themed is a cat print, but your made up rules does not dictate APs cat print releases

>>10158128
>a cat featured as a highlight of the print on the very picture you linked
>but it’s not a cat print

I don’t understand the leaps in logic you’re taking but aight

>>10158124
agreed, when you look at my favorite room you don't see the cats first at all.

>>10158131
It’s the first thing I saw, don’t speak for others anon

>>10158132
My bad. I should have included Wonder Memories, Holy Theater, Magic Amulet, Halloween Treats, and Fancy Whip since they have cats too.

>>10158134
>getting this triggered about your severe autism

>>10158095
I always see "cotton print" pointed out as a positive thing, but as someone who used to own all three dresses: these cotton bitches start to bleed as soon as a raindrop hits you.

>>10158138
Really? What colorways and dresses specifically? I own a ton of cotton AP and I’ve never had bleeding issues except for some pre 2010 red dresses. Though most of my pieces are pink and sax and don’t have black in the print

>>10158138
I also own all three, but I've never had that problem. I prefer cotton because I easily overheat and it breathes better, but I only added it as a note, not necessarily positive or negative.

>>10157745
>>10157124
>>10157133
>>10157275
Of course i'm broke when theres good shot coming out

>>10157745
>>10157124
>>10157133
>>10157275
Of course i'm broke when there's good shit coming out

>>10158138
>>10158095
I love the look of cotton prints but I sort of prefer the polyester stuff for the convenience of travel and sudden weather changes. None of my cat prints bled though.. they just looked really bad when it rained and took longer to dry vs polyester pieces.

>>10157839
Lolita is easier to get into than most other fashions because it follows only simple fashion rules (very basic color coordination, only a few silhouettes, not much variation in theming).

>>10157852
The spacing of the nose and eyes on the left especially reminds me of Yoda. They're like fuzzy Yoda gremlins.

>>10158081
>>10158085
seething cross-siters

>>10158134
Is dreamy planetarium also not a cat print?

>>10158158
>>10158015
I wish they looked more like mogwai's

>>10158069
I think the photos don't do the prints any justice. The dresses look a million times better in person with details that don't show in the photos

>>10158169
Well obviously it is anon. It has a cat.

>>10158175
>>10158169
>intentionally being dense to avoid acknowledging a valid point

Just another day for /cgl/

>>10158105
Calling My Favorite Room a cat print is like referring to Sweetie Violet as a cupcake print

>>10158135
Actually if anyone here had autism irl it would be the person who is adamant about including all prints with cats

>>10158190
Nobody said all prints with cats were the same as cat prints, just that a print series that predominantly features cats is a cat print

>>10158172
I'm pretty sure it's this too anon.

>>10158175
>>10158180
But the cat isn't the focal point like that goofy anon mentioned.

>>10158194
It’s one of the main focal points of the print. If it wasn’t AP wouldn’t add charms of the cat onto the accessories

>>10158196
Calm down silly I agree with you. This argument wasn't even about cat prints to begin with, it was about details on dresses that were recently released and then cat anon went on a tirade about focal points and cats.

>>10158132
It’s not the first thing I saw, don’t speak for others anon

>>10158193
And My Favorite Room is not a print series that predominantly features cats, so it is not a cat print. Case closed.

>>10158172
I agree. But I (>>10158003) originally meant design details, not print details.

>>10158201
But... it is...

>>10158105
I couldn't recall seeing cats on MFR so I had to look it up. The cats are there, but not the focus.
Now that I'm looking at it, I really want it...

>>10158203
So Girly Leopard is also a cat print?

>>10158206
It has cats in it but they aren’t as predominantly featured in the print as MFR. Stop being intentionally obtuse.

>>10158203
Yea, no, you're delusional.

>>10158209
Sad all you have is semantics.
The print has cats, in no small manner.
It can be emphasized with cat themed items and accessories.
You should get that sandy vag checked out.

>>10158209
That’s some mighty fine projection you’ve got going on.

>>10158209
Fun fact, I own both, and there are more cats on MFR than RC.

>>10158193
And that's more like a sign of autism than someone who didn't include it

>>10158209
Thanks for the laugh anon

>>10158214
>>10158213
Kek, even with visual proof that the cats are <5% of the print in my favorite room and clearly not the main visual element, you're still trying to delude yourself. You can use supporting elements as accessories; having cat motifs on accessories does not make it the main focus of a print. BtSSB Kitten's Sweet Cherries Cafe Diner has cherry accesories but the cherries are barely even visible on the dress, just like the cats are hardly visible on MFR.

>>10158215
And MFR is an all over print while RC isn't. The overall percentage of of the dress that MFR allocates to cats is far less than RC, and MFR is a busy print with a ton of stronger elements than cats.

>>10158218
Yea why are you comparing all over prints with border prints?

>>10158218
Can you calm your autism? Even for a moment?

>>10158219
Because of autism.

>>10158218
You intentionally chose the colorway whwre RC stands out the most and where MFR blends in the most. Not to mention you cherrypicked a bunch of aspects to it.

>>10158219
Why are you arguing that an all over print with tiny cats should be categorized as a cat print just like a border print with cats as the main focus?

>>10158220
>w-wahh I can't admit I'm wrong!
>a-autism!!!1!

>>10158223
>tiny cats

They aren’t tiny at all, not even in comparison to the rest of the print. They’re the same size as some of the cats on RC.

>>10158223
So is it a doily print with cats?

>>10158222
>ch-cherrypicking!
Nice try, the cats on MFR blend in on all the colorways because the lace is the exact same color as them and take up far more dress space.
The cats on RC stand out on every colorway, even on the pink where they blend in the most.

>>10158225
Lol, sure Jan, it's not like there's pictures of the dresses right there or anything.

>>10158226
Pretty much.

>>10158228
I don't even disagree with you but your use of memes makes you come off as uninformed which is probably why you're getting fought so hard on this. Maybe chill out on sounding so "I'm rite ur wrong!!!"

>>10158232
Nayrt but some of the anons arguing her are using memes too and screaming autism and projection

>>10158232
I'm not the original anon arguing about this lol
Also >>10158236

>>10158228
They don’t blend it, but I understand that it’s difficult for the mentally challenged to notice details, so I don’t hold it against you.

>>10158242
>cats literally the same color as doilies
>anons in thread literally saying they didn't even realize MFR has cats
>th-they don't blend in!!1! u-ur mentally challenged!!!
If it's a detail that can be missed, it's not a predominant part of the print. Nice try, but you disproved your own argument.

>>10158218
Now Kitten's Sweet Cherries Cafe Diner is a cat print.

>>10158241
You agree enough to make follow up diagrams to someone else's diagram? Why would it even matter at that point if you're not the other anon? You're saying what they're saying and doing what they're doing.

>>10158256
Shhh anon, play along, that anon is mentally retarded and you should go along with what they say.

>>10158256
I said I wasn't the original anon, not the one who didn't make the images, tardo.

>>10158264
If you are not >>10158228
Then why did you reply to me anyway.

>>10158232
The other one won’t stfu about autism in literally every post she makes so I’m on this one’s side

>>10158219
>>10158222
Well anon had listed 3 cat border prints, the anon who brought up My favorite Room brought all over in prints into the convo by mentioning it even though it was initially about border prints (with cats)

>>10158283
Oh I know what happened, but I just think it's unfair to compare all over prints to border prints.

>>10158276
You need to reread.

>>10157885
Same. Give me that skirt!

>>10158289
I'm only asking because I responded to >>10158228
originally

It's really convenient that >>10158228
>>10158209
and >>10158095
are not the same person.

>>10158095
Leaves off vanilla Chan

>>10158292
Okay, let me explain this to you slowly because you clearly have low comprehension skills.
>>10158228
>>10158209
are my posts
>>10158095 is the original cat anon, which isn't me. Surprise! Not everyone calling out your delusional insistence of MFR being a "cat print" is the same person. Not to mention the images are made with completely different formatting.

>>10158294
>vanilla chan
>2010
>the past few years
I think almost a decade back is past the range anon was looking at desu

>>10158295
>low comprehension
Oh so you know which anon is which and can pin point posts? Everyone is anonymous. It's not unreasonable to ask who someone is in the argument.

Also you proved my point in >>10158256
You made fucking follow up diagrams. Because you care just as much as the original anon did.

>>10158300
I'm the original anon and my point was the lack of design details. MFR anon made it about cats. I stopped replying because there was no point.

>>10158300
>tries to imply samefagging
>Oh so you know which anon is which and can pin point posts? Everyone is anonymous. It's not unreasonable to ask who someone is in the argument
Nice backtracking, retard.

>>10158305
Nayrt but that isn't backtracking.

I recently missed a reservation in Baby, first time buying from them directly. Most of the items sold out very quickly, searched some threads and I read that they put more stock later.

But my question is, do they restock every color and such? Anybody knows if they have specific stock for reservations and stock for the online store? (And the various stores from Japan). I have seen that some items say "sold out during reservation", and some don't, so that means not every release stocks items later? Please help a poor gull out, any info is appreciated. In the meantime I will regularly check their twitter and main website.

>>10158366

Try their us store if you haven't already, they may have separate stock for some items.

Restock is somewhat unpredictable. You can keep checking back on their news page and see what they do restock
https://www.babyssb.co.jp/category/info/official_news/online_sotre_info/

>>10158365
>Nayrt
Sure, Jan
When you try to call someone a samefag and then turn around and say “w-well there’s no way you can tell who’s who!!1!”, that’s the definition of backtracking.

>>10158141
Every cotton print I owned did this except for the ivory ones. Though most were red or other darker colors. In this case Princess Cat was the worst.

>>10158440
There's no reason for me to lie about this and I don't care about what you were arguing about. And no, that's not what backtracking is. Backtracking is directly taking back an original statement or argument after being reminded of an error and/or watering it down at the same time to make it less obvious, lurk the fuck more or hell, you can just google it instead of using words you don't even know the meaning of. What you mean is simply being hypocritical.

>>10158450
I have princess cat and have no issue machine washing it. I've never had a print bleed..

>>10158440
>sure, jan
This is a normie tier meme and you're uninformed.

Lmao did this thread turn into a giant argument about what constitutes a "cat print"? Lull y'all are retards

>>10158549
How new are you? /cgl/ argues over dumb shit like this all the time

>>10158549
This is pretty tame as far as stupid shit cgl has argued over goes

I used to think gulls were just being salty when they'd say how overpriced WW is but this changed my mind

>>10158558
Congrats on being a little less retarded I guess

Why does no one use the word seagulls anymore to describe this board lately?

>>10158405
Oh well, I guess my fears are true. Thanks Anon, sadly I am not from the US but if they do have stock then maybe I should use my special mailbox.

>>10158559
you sound like you have issues, friend

>>10158598
I’m not the one who’s dumb as shit, sounds like you’re projecting

>>10158460
Nah, what you described as backtracking is literally what you did, kek
>implies samefag implying you can tell who is who
>gets told
>backtracks and says “w-well it’s not like you can tell who is who!!1!”
You sure are pressed for a totally random anon, kek.

>>10158602
Nayrt but stop being so triggered

>>10158602
I'm pressed about a certain retard who recently shits up the board in more than this thread and constantly uses the word backtracking/backpedaling wrong. Repeating yourself doesn't change the original meaning. Just use it properly next time, this shit is cringy.

>>10158601
Hope you're ok

>>10158549
It's on topic of lolita. So there's no issue with talking about types of prints.

>>10158607
>>10158606
Kek, guess you’ve been called out for backtracking more than once huh?

Anyone knows if Lief has a physical store in Korea? Or any other lolita/j-fash store in Korea I can visit?

>>10158628
Please just fucking lurk more. Putting kek after every sentence, pulling this dumb personal fight shit where you think anyone who replies is the same person and not realizing you can just shut up when you did something wrong since you're anonymous and don't have to defend yourself doesn't make you appear like any less of an idiotic newfag. I'm really sick and tired of this.

>>10158628
>thinking those are both the same person

Summer blues

>>10158628
You seem to have a severe case of autism

>>10158629
>http://m.lief.co.kr/board/free/read.html?no=5149&board_no=1
Also check the archives. This question has been asked before.

Happy Easter salty gulls! Easy on the chocolate eggs and bunnies, you don't want to get too round for burando.

>>10158670
Anon are you a time traveler? And more importantly, do you offer a shopping service for past second hand stuff?

How many people from outside Finland are going to Hellocon this year? I am tempted to go as last year looked great, but the location is really awkward to get to.

>>10158673
It's eastern Easter/Pascha/dear JetJ we need some bad low-res polyester orthodox prints

>>10158676
I would love some orthodox prints. I research Coptic so am now feeling the need for prints of such art.

>mfw some idiot is selling underwear on LM

>>10158791
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/unmentionables-package-unused

I just would like to know the reasoning she used to think this was okay.

/fit/izen here.

Just came here cause i saw some horrid she demons talking about coming here the other day, y'all need to lay off the soda so you can stop looking like ugly puffy full of acne.

>>10158793
Why would someone do this. Theres no need for that to be for sale there.

>>10158793
>>10158872

>Undergarment 3-pack;
I typically wear something of this style *over* any actual underwear. Wearing something like this helps to conceal items that may not normally work under your clothing
>conceal items that may not normally work under your clothing
>items

He means this is for sissies who want to camouflage their feminine cocks and real women hairy balls? Lacemarket is going to the freaks.

Could Lolita be considered "camp"?
As I read Susan Sontag's essay on it, certain concepts stuck out:
>Camp is a vision of the world in terms of style -- but a particular kind of style. It is the love of the exaggerated, the "off," of things-being-what-they-are-not.
>The hallmark of Camp is the spirit of extravagance. Camp is a woman walking around in a dress made of three million feathers. Camp is the paintings of Carlo Crivelli, with their real jewels and trompe-l'oeil insects and cracks in the masonry. Gaudí's lurid and beautiful buildings in Barcelona are Camp not only because of their style but because they reveal -- most notably in the Cathedral of the Sagrada Familia -- the ambition on the part of one man to do what it takes a generation, a whole culture to accomplish
>Camp is the attempt to do something extraordinary. But extraordinary in the sense, often, of being special, glamorous. (The curved line, the extravagant gesture.)
>Detachment is the prerogative of an elite; and as the dandy is the 19th century's surrogate for the aristocrat in matters of culture, so Camp is the modern dandyism. Camp is the answer to the problem: how to be a dandy in the age of mass culture
>Camp taste has an affinity for certain arts rather than others. Clothes, furniture, all the elements of visual décor, for instance, make up a large part of Camp. For Camp art is often decorative art, emphasizing texture, sensuous surface, and style at the expense of content.
>All Camp objects, and persons, contain a large element of artifice. Nothing in nature can be campy. Rural Camp is still man-made, and most campy objects are urban. (Yet, they often have a serenity -- or a naiveté -- which is the equivalent of pastoral. A great deal of Camp suggests Empson's phrase, "urban pastoral.")
https://faculty.georgetown.edu/irvinem/theory/Sontag-NotesOnCamp-1964.html
I almost want to draw comparisons with the outlooks of Mana-sama and Novala Takemoto, but I'd need to research more. Thoughts?

>>10158917
Lmao, reading this post after >>10158923
makes me feel bad.

>>10158923
Is this even a real term or is she just writing fanfiction because she wants to invent a "new" word?

>>10158932
Camp is a real thing, anon. It's existed for a very, very long time. It's so popular that even the Met Gala's theme this year. This video is what explained it to me initially:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLJLkuwySV0&list=UUoEj4uRzynPXEEegNqMnJVw&index=3
tl;dw: Large fashion brands often engage in camp with their more out there runway looks, but it's a "thing" that dates back to the very concept of Versailles pushed by Louis XVI. From my reading, the core concept is extreme, over the top extravagance and glamour.

>>10158923
Yes, I think all OTT and sweet lolita is camp. Casual, Traditional classic, and gothic can be but often aren't. "Otome" or whatever isn't. Does that make sense?

>>10158675
I want to go but Träumerei ate all my travel money. Why are all the big euro events choosing such weird locations?

>>10157852
The cats loik cute but I think they blend to background.

When will that Zero dude finally stop spamming fril and mercari tags with their shitty handmades and scalped items? You can literally see in their feedback that they bought the moitie hat for 2500 yen a week ago.

Posted this to the Imai Kira thread yesterday, cross posting it here in case others are interested. It's a translation of her interview from Le Panier.
https://velvet-translations.blogspot.com/2019/04/le-panier-mook-imai-kira-interview.html

>>10159006
Not to mention their choice of filter just makes their handmades look worse hahaha

>>10158932
Google is a good friend. It will help you look less ignorant

>>10159015
Bless your heart anon, and thank you for the extra parts at the end!

>>10159015
I hope you find your dream dress. Thank you anon!

What colour is "mint" milky swan in real? I see pictures ranging from almost turquoise to like a really soft greyish blue. Anyone who owns it who could describe it?

>>10159060
Mint

>>10159065
so out of the three pictures provided, which picture resembles it the most? I don't think any of them look mint

>>10159067
Irl it resembles the top right photo most closely

>>10159067
It’s not our fault you’re colorblind

>>10159044
>>10159059
Glad you both enjoyed! I had a ton of fun researching the manga artists for the extras since I had never heard of them. It's really too bad that most old shojo has never made it to the English speaking world.

>>10159015
Do you know where to find scans or pictures of Le Panier? It's sold out

How does everyone feel about chinese lolita updates posting tutorials on how to make accessories out of brand tags? Cute and creative or tacky and distasteful? I'm torn.

>>10159084
dropped pic

>>10159086
>>10159084
I think it's an adorable idea, way beats throwing them away

>>10159074
I'm afraid not, my images came from a kind anon on here who took pictures of her copy.

>>10159084
Distasteful and tacky, but that’s to be expected of the Chinese.

>>10159084
Extremely tacky. That's cardboard. At least make paper products instead of a brooch.

>>10159086
That's really cool. I could see using it as a table marker for a tea, party bags or even invites. This could also be an option for scrap-booking and bookmarks.

Is it too much to hope that IW will re-release their rozen maiden line...?

>>10159121
Since they probably don't own the rights to the designs fully it would probably be difficult for them to do even if there was enough demand for it

>>10159120
I love the scrap-booking and bookmark idea!

Does ウエスト(上身頃)68cm~ゴム入り mean you can make it fit smaller than 68cm or bigger?

>>10159175
Smaller

the vetted discord is racist beware PoC lolitas

>>10159121
I think it ended up in sale and lucky packs, so no.

>>10159212
I hear they deal crack from under their petticoats, too.

>>10159212

My nigga.

>>10159212
>discord created by 4channel anons is racist
Are we supposed to act surprised?

>>10159212
‘I’m so nice and mean’
(Doxxs two people and alters screencaps)

Fuck off you stupid cunt

>>10159212
This is why your comm wants to ban you. I hope they do

>>10159212
Good. Niggers not wecome.

>>10159212
And you think cgl is gonna fucking care lmao

>>10159212

>>10159212
You are a snake who tried to dox people when you were disagreed with by other POC lolitas. Don’t even try it, bitch.

>>10159212
Bitch get the fuck outta here. If you're gonna cry about a discord you sure as hell won't like 4chan. You made a fool of yourself and you aren't helping yourself by running to 4chan of all places. My nugget. Or is that also too offensive for you?

>>10159212
As multiple PoC lolitas told you to fuck off with your SJW tumblr shit

>>10159212
you're just mad that the other PoC lolitas told you to shut the fuck up over your foot stomping, shitstirring and trying to police an uncensored channel

>>10159212
Fuck off matcha YOU
>were the one shitstirring on several occasions >had PoCs told you that you were overreacting >doxxed those two girls for literally just quoting someone saying the n word (AND saying it was a bad thing)
>posted on the PoC lolita facebook group with altered caps and dropped those two girls contact info
Go take a nap and don't wake up

>>10159212
You know 4chan is for racists, right?

>>10159212
>>10159231
>>10159233
>>10159234
>>10159237
>>10159239
>>10159240
>>10159241
>>10159243
What happened? Can someone explain?

>>10159212
You edited screencaps and doxxed two people

>>10159212
Lol I love that this post is still up but all the replies got deleted.

Thanks janitors!

>>10159177
For what brand or site? When Meta says that it's the flat measurement and can go bigger. Sometimes smaller if there's corset lacing

Anyone else here grab a ticket for Hellocon? I expected all the high tier tickets to sell out very fast but a lot are still available. I expected much more of a bloodbath, but I'm so glad I got a ticket!
I'm wondering how big the tea party will be since only the pricey tickets include it.

secrets

>>10159261

>>10159367
You mean, secret
At this point I only check to read the arguments in the comments

Any gulls going to enter the NHK contest or is it just a rigged popularity poll?

Fleur Cat still isnt completely sold out ..

>>10159399
I don't know if it's rigged but it's definitely based on popularity, unfortunately. A look at the last two winners would clarify that immediately.

>>10159427
that shit ugly

>>10159427
The mint colorway was a mistake

>>10159427
Maybe AP will learn from their mistake of a design.

>>10159427
yea... ain’t nobody catching me with that ugly Mary poppins era looking shit

Has anyone here placed an email order with Baby before? I haven't heard anything from them since I paid so I'm antsy, do they usually notify you when they ship?

>>10159537
They do email you when they ship your stuff, but that usually takes about a week for a mail order.

If a week has passed since they confirmed your payment then you could aks them about it

>>10157942
>Be 175cm
Oh look a brand shirt with long sleeves that might actually be my size lololol

>>10159067
The mint one

>Be a dumbass
>Ask person with 1 day to go on one of their listings if their order is in USD, because they aren't from the US and I'm paranoid as fuck.
>Actually plan on buying the dress if it is
>Message left on read
>No response
>No relisting of the dress
Feels bad. I probably deserved it though for asking such a stupid question.

Whoops, wrong thread. Sorry!

>>10159266
It's from an auction, it's ending in a day and now I'm still not sure if I want to bid because my waist is 69.5cm. It does look like it has stretch...

>>10159537
It’s super golden week, so you probably won’t hear anything until after that.

>>10159175
>>10159618
I pretty sure in any language, ~68cm means up until 68cm but 68cm~ means it can go bigger

>>10158675
I am! My plan is to fly to Helsinki and rent a car, I figure that'll be less of a hassle than going by train. But then I also intend to do a little bit of sightseeing on the way back, so a car is useful for that as well.

>>10157915
Literally not bought a new release since 2015. They are fucking desperate anon, shoddy sewing, cheap af fabric, just altogether less substantial. Hold an older release on one arm like milky chan and a newer on the other and the difference is night & day. meta & baby too. Can't comment on any other brand thou. I just buy otome now.

>>10159674
My newest btssb JSK is just as nice as my older stuff from them tho

>>10159674
>not bought new releases in 4 years
>has an opinion
Gull pls

>>10159674
I own 2 BTSSB dresses and around 5 AP dresses from the past two years and they're all fine compared to my older dresses, except for one AP solid. That was pretty bad for the price, but it was also chiffon and like $350 retail. Got it on sale though. But I wouldn't call them "fucking desperate"

>>10159684
Same with my AP. I've got a non print from 2010 that I bought with a missing bow and it's got tons of life in left still in 2019.
Meanwhile, the AATP dress I bought in store has had it's buttons come off recently but I was able to sew them back on without any other issues. It's only from 2017.

All my newer AP pieces are holding up fine too.. I bought 2 releases from last year and they're great.

>>10159618
Maybe this is why Innocent World hasn't gotten back to me yet...

>>10159755
Yeah, that’s likely why.

>>10159281
I'd love to go, but money is tight and the tickets cost way too much. Now im just left waiting that if the tickets sell out before i can get one, maybe someone will sell theirs later...

>>10159674
I bought the sailor collar JSK from baby in January and it’s heavy and thick af. But my last two new AP JSKs feel like they’re made out of a cheap plastic tablecloth so I dunno. The cost has stayed the same for awhile so it only makes sense that the quality has gone down. Production and material costs generally rise slowly and continuously so if they charge the same amount they’ve gotta be cutting corners

>>10159862
I thought they cut cost by moving to countries with lower wages like Myanmar.

>>10159864
Nayrt but yes, they've been getting things made in Indonesia, Myanmar, etc. There's some irony in people harping on about how Taobao dresses are lower quality, when most Chinese factories are now too expensive for AP to want to use. Production costs in China have gone up as labor laws become increasingly strict and workers are treated better. Another year or two and AP will probably be outsourcing to sweatshops in Bangladesh.

>>10159618
ah you're right I hadn't thought of that

>>10159864
Yeah that’s my point. Places like Myanmar have low production standards and make much simpler garments, generally from crappier materials. And keep their workers in abject poverty, but that part isn’t as visible.

>>10159873
>>10159864
I read somewhere that a lot of good Japanese manufacturers shut down after the economic crisis, and some Japanese brands had to move production to China because of that. Didn't know AP moved to Myanmar.. Tbh the main reason I don't buy from taobao is more expensive shipping and inconsistency.

>>10159880
>Didn't know AP moved to Myanmar
They didn't. It largely depends on the item and where the materials were sourced from.

>>10159885
I'm not a sweet lolita so why should I know every detail about AP

AtePi Lumière JSK
Price: 27,540 yen (tax included)
Colours:
> Silver x White
> Black x White
> Black x Black

Length: about 105 cm
Bust: about 86 cm to about 112 cm
Waist: about 68 cm to about 88 cm

Materials: Polyester 100%
Satin / chiffon

>https://twitter.com/atelier_pierrot/status/1123061770417872896
Item#: TOP3030SV

>>10160137
this looks so cheap

AtePi Daily Yoke OP
Price: 25,920 yen (tax included)
Colours:
>Sax
>Cameo Pink
>Black

Shoulder width: about 33cm
Length: about 105cm
Sleeve length: about 22cm
Bust: 99 to 105cm
Waist: about 110cm

Outer material:100% cotton
Collar: Chiffon: polyester 100%

>https://twitter.com/atelier_pierrot/status/1122775611208978432
Item#: TOP3037BL/ TOP3037PK/ TOP3037BK

Found this brand called Mayla Classic and thought maybe someone might be interested.
https://mayla.jp/

>>10160143
Honestly all Atelier Pierrot looks cheap as shit in their stock photos so it's hard to tell if it's actual crap in real life, especially their shiny fabrics. That being said, the lace overlay on that bodice looks horrific.

VM - Afternoon Lady Blouse
Price:17,280 yen (tax included)
Colours:
>Black
>Ivory
>Mint

Length: 52cm
Shoulder width: 34.5cm
Sleeve length: 54cm
Cuff: 21cm
Bust: 92cm (outer measurement)
Waist: 76cm (outer measurement, adjustable with the back ribbon)
Hem: around 96cm

Outer material: 100% cotton
Satin ribbon
Chemical lace

>https://twitter.com/VM_press/status/1123133755667861504
VM will also be releasing the surplus of the Spring Coordination Series!

>>10160144
I had to roll my eyes at that post. crying, really?

>>10160165
This is a replica, VM died in 2018

>>10160144
I had to do that with the two Colin sissies. For fuck's sake, you're a fetishist manbearpig in your forties, stop typing out "REEEEEEE" over frills.

>>10160137
They're a one trick pony. If you have one atepi dress and one skirt, you basically have them all. Always polyester, which is okay but how many do you need? Always basic colors and structure, and that lace is horrendously cheap looking. And this one doesn't have enough fabric in the back or the petti is too large. Hard pass.

>>10160146
They do not own an iron. Sad.

>>10160165

I actually was waiting for this blouse when I saw it on the model and I’m really happy it comes in mint.

>>10160165
100% cotton? Yes please.

>>10160224

Ohhhh and it’s airy too, good call. This is perfect or summer.

>>10160146
This looks like it would be nicer without a petti, or at least a petti that fits the dress properly.

>>10157942
Why did Moitie decide to go from elegant pieces with beautiful silhouttes to...this?
The average japanese woman is 159cm - girls and young women (the main costumers for lolita) are even taller - so why use a borderline midget lady who looks to be well over 30 as your model? If this hadn't Moitie written on it, people would think you've snatched your father's/partner's dressshirt and added a fancy collar.
Sorry, but that just disappoints me.

>>10160165
Oh I love this design. I don't suppose WW be selling it? They don't seem to have a lot of VM's new releases.

>>10160165
Oh I love this design. I don't suppose WW will be selling it? They don't seem to have a lot of VM's new releases.

>>10160305
It's from their EGA line and the ''''models'''' are Kera shop staff

>>10160305
This is shop staff trying to show the EGA shirt length on two different heights.

>>10160137
i usually really like atepie but holy hell the back of this looks like a black trash bag

I can't believe this is a normal release...

>>10160587
I love it, especially the sleeves on the OP.

Anyone know where this dress is from?

>>10160587
Tie dye kei

>>10160368
>>10160378
Still doesn't change the fact that it looks ugly and cheap. Designing that can't have taken more than 10 minutes.

>>10160221
I really want it but I can't find anything about overseas orders on their website. Unsure if I want a SS for just a couple small items

>>10160696
Yeah, VM doesn't do overseas orders.

Why do scalpers think anyone is going to pay this much for something that just dropped?

>>10160703
Trying to take advantage of people who didn't get a chance to buy through an ss

>>10159281
I went last year and after being fucked over by a friend I took along, I’m out. Not going back until I emotionally recover

>>10160609
Chess story.

Holy shit is it finally going to happen?!

>>10160706
You can't just say stuff like that without telling us what happened

>>10160706
That doesn't sound like a problem with Hellocon. If anything you should go and have a good time this time and kill those bad memories. I wish I could go

>>10160609
Forget the dress I NEED THAT BONNET HNNNNNG

>>10160587
>>10157942
>>10160137
That's three yikes from me, captain

>>10160696
Just use a forwarding service. I use Jpn Depot and it's really cheap. But I guess you'll have to wait til next time as it looks like it's already sold out.

>>10160587
I really don’t mind this, it reminds me of snow cones!

>>10159086
This is brilliant. I used to safety pin brand tags to my casual bags before itabags were a big thing but this is a much more refined version of the idea.

>>10160587
this one is so weird. I'm still baffled that someone at AP thought "yes, this design is worth getting a brand tag and a major release"

>>10160587
This is so cute, I’m definitely getting the OP.

>>10160587
Navy is decent. Will probably get the jsk.
Radioactive yellow and light blue is an insult to the eyes in this photo. It's so ugly I want to cry.

>>10160587
this looks like children’s dress up clothes they’d sell at Disney on ice. It looks really bad and cheap.

There was an anon a few threads back asking if anyone had the bloomers from Antique beasT. I just received them in the mail. They are pretty scratchy and I feel like they are going to suck in hot weather. Website lists them as 65% polyester., so I wasn't really surprised. The elastic around the waist and the leg holes is fairly comfortable though, and they are decently stretchy. Although the leg holes aren't as stretchy, so I would probably avoid these if you have bigger thighs.

>>10161007
isn't there a thread about underwear?

>>10161009
no?

>>10161137
>>10131379
Learn to use the catalog search.

>>10161152
I did, I searched for "underwear". Ah well.

>>10160755
What is this? It's really cute but I'm totally out of the loop.

>>10160755
I just want to see the other colorways

>>10161296
It’s the new AP x Imai Kira Print “Un Birthday”

>>10161297
Same, but so far I’m really into this grey color! It makes the print subdue enough I think it will fit in my daily wardrobe nicely.

>>10160691

nayrt, but (a)it's a shirt (not a dress or OP), and (b)it's EGA, a line intended for both guys and gals.

Since it's EGA and intended for guys as well, throwing a shitton of lace and other feminine details on it is going to be pretty shit. I don't think they can go very far "designing" too much stuff on a shirt like this, any further and it'll look lolita rather than aristo.

Meanwhile the photo is purely to show the length. Keep in mind it's listed as a shirt (or blouse), you'd normally layer another thing over it, probably a gilet or a long jsk, or pair it with a skirt or pants. Kera staff just show it without anything else covering up the shirt because a comparison photo with even half the shirt covered up would be pretty pointless.

>>10160703
it sold out immediately and was limited fabric so it wont be getting a re-release

>>10160587
Baja blast kei

Has anyone been in contact with Sunny SS? I’ve tried to contact her but she hasn’t replied in a while...

>>10161402
She closed her service didn't she? She has a awful track record of answering messages or sending packages out. She kept promising to send my package, then didn't respond to messages for 3 days and then told me she wasn't in Tokyo. Like thanks. You could've told me.

>>10161409
I placed a preorder with her... where did she say that?

>>10161301
Do we have a release date for this yet?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://twitter.com/BABY_THE_STARS/status/1123552261039280128

>>10161411
Huh, I could’ve sworn she had a post saying that she was closing her SS services around November 2018.

>>10161429
You're confusing her with Muuh, who got a second job und couldn't take as many orders anymore.

>>10161418
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Same

>>10160159
Ew it looks so linty

>>10161411
Nayrt but she told me in PM. It sometimes took weeks to get a reply but I kept messaging her and eventually everything turned out fine.

>>10161418
>waist size starts at 75 cm

Fuck this fatty fashion

>>10161430
No, I know about muuh. She (sunny) definitely closed at one point because I went back into the archives to double check (back when there was a thread on Japanese SS’s) and someones mentioned that she had closed (dated jan 21)

>>10161445
What is your waist-size? Mine is 67cm but I prefer to have a few extra cm to wear a nice blouse and have plenty of breathing and moving room. When people complain about lolita being uncomfortable I always wonder if they're wearing something too small even though they're within the measurements.

>>10161450
this was 100% the case for me until I found clothes which actually fit rather than just zipping or buttoning.

>>10161448
Not sure why she didn’t announce this publicly

I’ll be mad about missing out on CTP and my money if she no longer is in business

>>10161454
I'm like 100% sure she had a post on her fb page. Perhaps she deleted it? Doing things at her pace. I think she's still delivering reservations and what not since her last post in feb showed her with a bunch of Holy lanterns that she just picked up. Sort of what Lolita Desu is doing, no longer taking new orders but fulfilling previous ones.

>>10161418
Well I found out too late about that. I can only hope they got a lot of reservations and that it encourages them to release more velveteen items andpleasefortheloveofallthatisholyrereleaseroseribbonembroidery

>>10161450
I’m 58cm and I‘be just been using waist ties to make the dress cinched in, but there’s a point where the dress just looks warped.

>>10161445
>>10161470
I'm guessing it's high waist/underbust which is not so bad and on most people is slightly larger than their waist...

>>10161445
It's a babydoll cut, so that's why the waist starts bigger. It's meant to be loose in that area.

>>10161418
I'm pissed this is shanghai tea party only.

Why isn’t there a Chinese shopping service? Demand is really high, look at all these exclusive releases.

>>10161548
Because demand is high Chinese SS don't need to work for foreigners

>>10161362
>Limited fabric
What are you talking about? That fabric is generic and is trending with other brands too.

>>10161571
AP said themselves their supply of that specific fabric was limited.

>>10161572
Probably because it sucked they don't want to produce it again

>>10161572
Of course they'll tell you that. Doesn't change the fact that it's a generic fabric.

>>10161548
The amount of Shanghai only releases physically hurts me, most of them are exactly my style and I would love to throw money at them. Then the releases on the JP websites are not as cute and I've ended up not buying much lately

>>10161572
>https://yamatomi.biz/products/detail.php?product_id=13734

>>10161583
Would it kill them to have a US only release?

I guess it would because we are too cheap here... But still it would be nice to get a US only colorway or something.

I'm trying to find the name of an Innocent World print from some years back. It was a simple classic jsk in a vibrant green colorway and looked somewhat like this Felicia Crown piece. Anybody have an idea of what I'm thinking of?

>>10161719
If we just spend more money maybe our brands will notice us.

>>10161402
She’s flaky af, worst SS ever

>>10161445
nibber there is no fitted waist on that dress, it clearly flairs out right under the boob. of course it's going to be big. are you actually retarded

>>10161741
Did you try looking in lolibrary? You can sort your search by colors too and green isn't a common colorway so it should come up.

>>10161748
I did and unfortunately couldn't find anything between 2010-2014 (when I think it came out) and nothing under mint, so I'm guessing it was labeled as a different color

>>10161741
Blanche?

>>10161759
No, the bottom print wasn't that wide

>>10161742
They can't tell where we're from if we buy on release from Japan.

>>10161794
I know, but you can also buy from Baby/AP's US stores.

>>10161802
I'm not paying that markup for AP, thanks.

>pays $130 for it
>lists it for $200
>mfw

>>10161710
Oh no, I want everything. Thanks for posting this site, anon.

>>10161402
I thought she closed her service but don't use her. She's irresponsible and unprofessional. Sent me another customer's item with my order and made me pay to ship it to the other customer.

Old video but one of the girls is wearing a bodyline JSK that was my first ever dress lol so I just wanted to share it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu2z4Uf9Tgc

>>10161921
>those modeled shots
Why

>>10161741
yes, that's Felicia Crown

>>10161951
But she paid you back right?

>>10161810
AP USA isn't that bad. AP Paris is awful if you're from the US and can order from JP using Tenso with no customs

>>10161999
>AP Paris is awful
I cri everytime

>>10161999
I hope AP Paris shuts down soon. That way the stock can stay in Japan or AP USA

Why is AP Paris bad?
They up-charge or what?

>>10162007
They charge a lot. Likely they are spending all of the money on the location, it's next to the Louvre.

>>10162007
Upcharge out the ass(£200 for shoes you can buy for $150 from APUSA)have shit stock even when they get stuff in, etc.

>>10161987
Kinda? She hadn't invoiced me for shipping before shipping my item, so she waived my shipping fee and instead had me pay to ship the item to the other customer. It didn't save me much and imo she should have paid me back for the other customer's shipping as well for the fuck up.

>>10157745
Does anyone have any examples of sweet colored main pieces worn in a gothic way? Like, pastel pink or sax main piece but styled more gothy?

>>10161999
Well yeah, that's the last place I would buy from. Tenso isn't even cheap anymore. I've switched to a different forwarding service.

>>10162060

>>10162064
Hm, cute, thanks anon! Anymore?

Anyone else love wearing lolita, love how it looks, but feel completely ridiculous wearing it? Like, I'm not going to stop wearing it but I always feel so ridiculous when I think back on it. I'm a daily lolita, and mainly old school sweet. I get a ton of compliments going out, and I like to think that for every person who snickers at me and laughs, there are others who feel inspired and or have their day brightened, and I honestly don't care how others see me. But I can't stop feeling so extra and ridiculous. Could be my depression talking.

>>10162102
Definitely, anon, and I wear really toned down classic. I never really blended in because before committing to daily lolita, I wore simply-styled vintage dresses every day, but I was definitely perceived differently in that style than in lolita.

>>10161744
>flares out right under the boob
are you blind or do you have monstrously saggy tits anon?

>>10162064
Not sure if this fits what you're looking for but this girl looks undoubtedly goth while dressed so sweet.

>>10162138
The styling is completely sweet aside from her hair and makeup.

>>10162138
it's just her rockabilly hair. that's not "undoubtedly goth" at all, it just looks like she didn't bother with a wig

>>10161445
>75 cm is fatty
>29 inches
>and it’s a high waisted dress

it’ll be ok ana-chan

>>10162163
Nayrt, but her style of haircut and eyebrows pushes it goth i m o.

>>10162060
I think it was SH the floordinate chick on CoF who posted black holy lantern paired with a sax blouse and I was IN LOVE

>>10161999
I wish AP would open up in London instead

>>10162102

Well I would kind of blend in in classic lolita, especially if it's a long jsk from IW paired with a cardigan, some of them don't take poofy petticoats well so it just looks like I'm somewhat overdressed for whatever I'm doing.

So I guess it's kind of nice sometimes to be a little bit extra and ridiculous and get all dressed up. I mean, I don't particularly want attention from random strangers, there's just something really uplifting about having the small, very mundane luxury of setting aside a little bit of time and money to put on a really luxurious princess dress, be a little indulgent and take my time to really put on makeup and do my hair the way I like it rather than because I need to rush to get to work, and wear a petticoat that takes up 3x the space I normally would. Then go to a teaparty and meet other girls who also understand the thrill of wearing pretty clothes, spend some money on delicious cake and tea, and then come home, kick off my high heeled glitter shoes, and take a nice, long bath.

Sort of like that. I guess I could easily achieve the same wearing regular clothes and going out for like tapas and beer, but it just doesn't have the same sort of feel to it that putting on a ridiculously cute dress and then doing what I like purely because I like it and not because it's appropriate, that kind of does it for me in lolita. The ridiculousness just sort of adds to that feeling that I'm doing it because I want to and not because I'm following the crowd, if that makes sense?

>>10162005
Fuck you, Paris is just fine. I‘ll continue supporting them. At least their customer service is wonderful. They were able to get me some really popular sold out items and even tokyo exclusive special sets.

>>10162013
>have shit stock even when they get stuff in, etc.
That’s because the popular stuff sells before they even have a chance to add it to the shop. The moment AP announces something you can already reserve it at Paris.

>>10162193
Lol maybe if brexit is cancelled

>>10162121
Nayrt it may not sit right under the boobs, but it's like on the ribcage

>>10162102
This is how I feel about wearing sweet lolita. Gothic and classic I don't get the same feeling about even though I probably put just as much effort into the outfits.

New >>10162385