/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

First, great summary again OP!

>>10181758
Man, I almost hate that I'm not going to Castlefest this year. I absolutely loved it last year. Despite the heat.

>Nishicon happened: People ignited flares on the roof
Hotel room parties, noise complaints and igniting flares on the roof. Yeah, that sounds like your typical Dutch convention to me.

>Animecon (June 14th-16th, Rotterdam ZH): possibly our best anime convention, now for the first time at Ahoy Rotterdam.


the program looks pretty plain though:
https://program.animecon.nl/

It could be me, but last years program had way more on it!

>>10182302
It's just the usual stuff, not like that's a bad thing. The thing I dislike about the program is how they added so many "events" like the balcony open or info desk times to the timeline. Move those items along with the all day events to a table on the side and the program already appears more condensed and less chaotic. It would also be nice if you could actually read all the event titles. So many lectures and workshops only have the first word readable which isn't exactly making me want to tap on all of them to see what they are.

Animecon. The convention that shows the premiere of Tanya the Evil.

Rules of cosplay. Cant cosplay as Tanya cause it can be seen as Nazi imagery.

Animecon showing Nazi propoganda movie?

>>10182309
You mean Anime NYC, right? Not our Animecon lol.

>>10182302
Last year they of course a big celebration, so I understand that the program was more interesting. But since they moved to a bigger venue, I was expecting more of it.

>>10182337
yeah, a lot of activities like the maid café, and the stands from bagger and fun tattoo factory weren't even mentioned on the program. it's as if they're adding them this time to make the program look fuller than it actually is.

>>10182337
Same. There isn't even a gala :(
One of the things I was looking forward to.

>>10182346
Gala got killed cus of drama last year.

>>10182346
They replaced it with a kpop party right?
Not sure how to feel about that but i guess they’ll let people on crocks in

>>10182471
Ooo tell me more about the drama

>>10182340


Those events are part of the event plaza, and the events at the event plaza only get added a little while before the con starts.
It happens every year...

Also, the events you mentioned were also part of the program last year, so it's not like they're added now to make the program seem fuller.

>>10182591
People weren't allowed in cuz the staff was too picky about belts, shoes or what they were wearing

>>10182591
Some dickhead gopher went on a power trip and decided not to let people into the gala for silly inconsistent reasons. By the time anyone noticed what he was doing the damage was already done. Lots of people got mad about this and rightfully so.

Any chances gala will return but announced at a later date or nay?

>>10181653
Don't know about that one. But I overheard the Nishi staff planning the new dates on Sunday.
Heard something about animecon planning a second event at the Theater hotel sometime this year.
Hotel staff nodded in agreement when asked if it was true.
Nishi staff seemed quite distressed about it.

I hope its not true. That is even above tomo level dickbagery.
Basically out-competing an event in their own venue.

>>10182695
But nothing has been announced officially, so just wait and see.

>>10182674
People cannot read the rules before hand which was stated on the website. But since nobody reads the rules and realised they coulden't get it, people cried and demanded to get in. Which is why there is no gala this year.

>>10182738
One of those idiots was a staff/crew member.

>>10182695
Odd, I do know that Nishi and Animecon have a pretty relationship. I guess they wouldn't do something like that beyond their backs.

>>10182695
It’s weird to see this after seeing that comment from the chairman of animecon saying that if this animecon wont succeed they’ll be completely broke and animecon will be bankrupt.
We’ll see what happens next year

Why is this random older guy inviting lolita's to his home? Do people even know him?

>>10183168
Nobody knows what goes on in his head. He has been to one meet in the past, but this guy is just weird as fuck. I am surprised he is still in the community.

>>10183105
From what I hear animecon is in the safe with tick sales for almost half a year now. Old info you guys. Get ur facts straight.

>>10182674
It wasnt just one gopher. So guess it was a staff decision. And probably some other staff disagreed afterwards. So they just ended it. Its not coming back for a while....

>>10183467


Seeing how they had to move the dealerroom from hal 5 to hal 6 because of the many artist & vendor applications. I 'm sure they're safe

>>10183105
You're kind of taking this out of context from what I've seen. It's also outdated by now so... whatever

What are some things I need to know if I want to attend a con in the US? I really want to visit cons abroad.

>>10183470
I think it's just playing safe, since Ahoy doesnt have a nice big room like WF had for this kind of thing. Dressing up the Amazon room is fairly easy, dressing up a hall like they have at Ahoy is quite another.
I see the Gala returning, perhaps next year when the new congres center opens. That's still slated for acon 2020, afaik.

>>10184329
Ahoy allows extensive rigging of lights and such in their halls and one of their new staffers is rather experienced in that, because that is his daytime job afterall. Also, Ahoy is building a new congress centre next to the halls, wich in short is about the size of the WF and will have a theatre with 3000 seats. Should be finished by next year, I am only sure if that will be in time for Animecon in june next year. And about hall 6 being the dealer room, they still use hall 5 as well, so somehow they managed extra budget to hire an extra hall.

If they can keep their act together than they have plenty of room to grow for another decade or so.

>>10184329

Ahoy has many more rooms on the second level, one of them is/was a candidate for Deshima.

>>10184345

Yes they're still using hall 5, however, the entire dealer room has been moved to hall 6. It was moved because of the many applications. It's not like they suddenly rented an extra hall though.

>>10184345
>Ahoy allows extensive rigging of lights and such in their halls
True, but the Amazon was a finished room: just add some lights, drapes and a mirror ball. Setting up and dressing a gala in one of Ahoy's halls needs more, and is expensive, which could be out of budget for this year.

>>10184401
Amazon from the World Forum is 400 m2, Abunai hall is 1100 m2. The new hall for Deshima is a whopping 3000 m2! Sorry I dont care much about the amazon hall from World forum it was hot and smelly there. Besides halls from ahoy look alot better than Jaarbeurs even when they arent decorated.

>>10183806
There is this guy who is giving a lecture about that at animecon. He is strange guy who lies alot though, he was also a host for nishicon, is it that same scandal guy?. Probably unreliable for info.

>>10184478
That guy told me he helped out at Katsucon every year and wanted to start helping Nishicon out, which was weird. Also because he said he could go to the US for very, very low prices, but it wasn't very believable

Is it me or is animecons program crap this year.
Basically nothing interesting on there, its the same old recycled shit. Some very skechy panels: Hikyu Q&A, like why the hell would i be interested in cosplayers holding a Q&A in character. Why is this even an event?
And at least 50% of the shedule is cosplay related. The gala is gone almost no cultural events.
I am seriously considering not going this year.

>>10184981
That lecture was "conveniently" canceled.

>>10185114
They need the new ahoy convention area to get nost of the events back. But yeah its still being built.(just like the hotel) There are alot more stands and dealers. I hear more japanese ones.

>>10183806
Not much. Prepare for outrageous ticket prices, overcrowded halls (depending on con venue) and very little to do compared to the netherlands. We are quite spoiled with proper convention content.
Photographers are scarce, usually outside and already pre-booked and require payment (usually about 60-80$ for a short session) if you want to cosplay and get pictures. Competitions are more about acts than craft/costume and there's a lot more anime focus compared to netherlands.

>>10185368
That's bull. Im talking about the current event filling. Most of the "events" are not worth going to.
Its just lazy event programming.

>>10185394
Uh. I went to cons in the USA prices should be the same as here, Hotels are cheaper though. Or are you talking about Blizzcon and San Diego Comiccon? I never go there. And wouldnt recommend them. Depends what you are into. If your into famous people Sam Diego Cc is ur thing, If your into Cosplay go to Katsucon or Dragoncon. If your into Activities, yeah ur pretty much fucked. People in USA conventions go to meet each other not to do events. If you like events go to Gencon. And btw Katsucon/Dragoncon have tons of photographers. You clearly havent been to the right convention over there.

>>10185437
Your probably a person caring about events alot?. I think events attract just a small or decent part of the visitors. You dont see hundred people in each eventroom, so no. Events arent as important to conventions as you think. But which events at animecon are the ones your missing/expecting? You are not gonna like conventions like viencon btw, it lacks events but is still almost sold out.

>>10185453
I was talking about quality photographers. Goodluck finding and booking those at an event in the USA.

>>10185932
You have to pay for some. Or just work out look good and be pro with make up and your cosplay. Its possible. They will take your picture for sure. There is a free spot ar Katsucon where you can just stand and tons of people with photograph you. Oh and also have the right connections. Hook up with the right people. But no faking, be genuine. I got people into stuff at an event there. So its not impossible. I really believe you visited the wrong event.

Does anyone know where Shinyacon is coming from? Who is behind it?

>>10186300
The site is registered in Gouda by a certain T Honing.

>>10186222
Obviously there's only a select amount of people with the right skills to get into connections (or have a buttload of money and know which ones to approach on time), as outsider you'll just wander about without much results.

>>10186357
Yeah ok. true that

>>10186331

aww poor baby needs some attention again??

>>10186331
Thats not a familiar name at all.

>>10187092
>>10186331
I'm living under a rock.. Who is this?

>>10187452

Just a poor excuse of a human being.

No longer relevant but wants to be relevant every once in a while so they start baiting for attention.

The only thing you need to know is that this person is a compulsive liar and can't be trusted.

>>10187452
He's just some guy who the /cgl/ discord has a grudge against, as illustrated by >>10187540.

>>10187542


A well deserved grudge though.

Don't pretend he hasn't done nothing wrong and still is being an ass about it.


Anyhow, irrelevant guy us still irrelevant.


Any news about nishi? Are they gonna have to share a date with tomo again?

>>10187619
Ok good to know, in other words it just caused a stain on this new con. Haha. Sure this news will spread fast. That might explain why they are so secretive about the organisers probably?

So nishi is on 2-3 May, so safe I guess.

>>10187662
but they have a part of them on the Facebook group and it appears that their website actually is opened AND has a staff list, so at least this is getting somewhere compared to that AnotherCon thing

i can get having a grudge but damn /cgl/cord anon

>>10187619
>>10187662
ok samefag

>>10187672
>>10187672

I just saw the staff list.

This is gonna be a shitfest alright.
none of the people on the list should be in charge/organizing anything.

What kind of image is a nazi lolita going to give your newly established con.

>>10187742
The dutch answer to Tanacon

Anyone else concrunching for animecon? As usual I fucked up my planning.
Although I think many people are skipping animecon or only going one day this year (from the people that usually go all weekend)

>>10189712
it's pretty weird the haven't got a floor plan yet.

>>10189712
I am concrunching like mad. I've never concrunched before and I don't like it. Trying hard to finish it. Seems I might actually make it.

>>10189712
>>10189843
Good luck with concrunching!

>>10189712
Animecon knows its getting alot of new visitors. As far as I know alot of the people who said they werent going suddenly are or want to instead. So the ticket sales were good I hear. Its not going to be quiet, as some people were thinking. It might be better than last year, but yeah last year wasnt all that good. And good luck on the crunch everyone.

>>10182309
Tanya the evil is modeld after WW1, no nazis there

>>10191069
Indeed, even the Totenkopf as use by the SS dates back to mid 19th century. The Totenkopf Husaren

>>10191127
Godwins law occured yet again!

>>10190450
I'm looking forward to see the visitors then, it sounds promising.

People have become so amazingly creative in cosplay, managing to stretch out the borders of the oldest profession in the world.

the new location sucks donkey balls
wth?

>>10193458
What's so sucky? I kind of liked it. Food court looks exactly like a Japanese festival, main stage looks good, game room has all kinds of new an old.
Pity the karaoke is in the same hall, I hate karaoke.
Going to hit the dealer room today.

>>10193458
It was like tomofair. And that's not a compliment.

>>10193818
Ever been to the previous venue? Then you might know why people call this sucky

Prev venue had a shitton of good places to take pictures, the karaoke bar was amazing, separated rooms that made for a big but cozy convention

Meanwhile this is just a flat hall with sheets separating the hall

>>10193827
> Sheets separating the hall
Yeah, but what did you expect them to do: build a brick wall? I'd say they did a great job given what they had to work with.

I've been to AnimeCon 15 times, and while ahoy lacks the coziness of world forum and Almelo, animecon managed to make something of it. Something Tomo is unable.

tomo did up their game with the karaoke stage with the lighting...

>>10189843
I wish you and the Metabee didnt rush your projects. They both look extremely meh compared to your skillsets, shame.

>>10193458
In not too fond about Ahoy myself. It just doesn't feel like the "gezellige" Animecon anymore, rather it looks and feels more like an anime version of DCC. Everything is dark, loud and more centralised making the con feel smaller somehow. A lot of expectations were broken and it really doesn't help how Ahoy are being Nazi's about bringing in even bottled water. Gotta stay hydrated, but only if you spend €3.50 on their drinks. Better bring your own bottle caps next year and refill your bottle at the toilets.

Perhaps this is what the new batch of visitors wants, but it's not for me. Or at least not something I'd like to spend +€300 on for a full weekend once you add up transit, hotel and food. Mad props to the game room team however, you guys really pulled it off nicely!

>>10193825
you can't really compare animecon and tomo. tomo only costs €5,- or so. you get what you pay for.

>>10193825
You are comparing a tomofair with the cost of 5 a 10 euros entree for a weekend with a convention that cost in last month of sales 75 euros for a weekend. I think that is not a very good example

>>10194523
I mean that Acon looks like Tomo now. The food part literally the same as it was during tomofair Amsterdam.

>>10193838
Well I dont see where the money from the decor fundraiser went. The stuff haning in event plaza was used a couple of years ago during the gala.
And the rest was bouwhekkenshiek.
Maybe of they have a construction theme next year, or a build your own condecor party on friday night.

>>10194528
And that is the saddest part. That a con that is 15 times cheaper has aboutthe same experience/feel all around.
You pay for luxury at animecon. Its a €500+ weekend.
Might just as well go to a comic con and save 30 bucks on the ticket and have the same experience.

Ik weet hoeveel jullie geilde op de abunai sextape. Dus ik geef jullie die van animecon: (soort van)
https://nl.pornhub.com/users/ukefudanshi/videos/public

>>10194589
That's gay.

>>10194589
What's the story behind this?

>>10194589
If it's half as bad as this, then I don't know what the hype was about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>10194589
OH GOD NO PLEASE OH FUCK NO NONONONO JUST NO

>>10194589
Hey the dude sucking dick is the creeper kaito guy that was gonna host that yaoi panel thing at a Tomo.

>>10194623
So this guy walked around animecon. Telling young looking cute Girls about his cosplay jerk video's.

>>10194655
He also loudly talks about hentai and actually read exhentai at the kissa

Honestly I just think they should return to Den Haag and just limit their capacity, atleast until Ahpy gets its convention centre/hotel. Rather have a more limited animecon like it was than big halls you see at gamescom and the like

>>10194669
I was thinking the same, but I don't know how that goes contract-wise.

>>10194669
Animecon never left because of the capacity. It's an excuse they used to get the visitors sympathy.
They just couldn't get along with the world forum and fucked up the relation enough that world forum allowed them to break the contract.
So going back is not an option.
What I have heard is the Ahoy is in no way better. They promised a lot upfront and now won't commit, plus the sales were not enough. So there is a big chance animecon will move to another location, and go smaller and exclusive.

>>10194677
They moved because Ahoy is a lot cheaper. Nothing else!

>>10194677
I also heard the rumor that Animecon maybe will move to another location next year.

>>10194683
Ahoy is cheaper per m2 because of the halls, all the other costs makes it as expensive as the world forum.

>>10194687
No, it isn't. And the decoration fundraiser was a scam. They didn't use it for decoration!

>>10193827
I actually think the location had quite some good spots to take pictures at, if you actually scouted them well enough. Some friends of mine managed to take some really good ones after we found some nice and cozy spots. It's not that hard

>>10194697
But we got a new cosplay compo!

Did they say how many visitors they had this year at the closing ceremony?. I had to leave early. The convention never felt crowded.

>>10194719
No they didn’t

What decorations?

So what did everybody think about the cosplay competitions. I enjoyed most of the acts. The 2 Tangled acts in the Saturday show was quite a coincidence. Jeroen and Manon are never going to learn proper english are they?. The casual hosts did a better job i think.

>>10194699
It is just a new challenge (to keep you busy). Saw some photos passing by already that looked interesting.

>>10194732
Think they mean the photo corners in the food court?

>>10194751
I think they already had them in The Hague.

>>10194766
I think you are right.

>>10194677
From what I heard it was WF that screwed up agreements giving Acon a good reason to break up the contract, do you care to disagree with facts?

>>10194719
There was a live stream on the FB page of AnimeCon. Haven't seen it yet.

>>10194787
I'm close to an Animecon staffer. Fact is true.

>>10194803
Oh sure you are, bullshit

>>10194677
Interesting, thanks for the redpill anon
Haven't been into the scene much the last years

Honestly animecon felt pretty empty this year, not a whole lot more visitors than acon 5 years ago

Really hope they just get their shit together and settle with a place up to the standards everyone expects.

Shoutout for the gophers for making the best out of the situation btw

>>10194808
Kinda heard the same story last year

The lights of this con were shit.

>>10194787
Let's say that I know first hand why that ship sank.

>>10194793
I just watched it. They say the date and location for next year hasen't been decided yet. They also mentioned there might be more than one convention. I think it will be in Ahoy next year. I do hope that the hotel and stage will be finished by then.

>>10194751
>>10194766
>>10194773
They did, the throne/crown thingy was new though.

>>10194808
Nope, no bullshit. True fact.

>>10194809
Well the organisation is not in a good shape right now. It used to be a group of friends who liked to put on a nice party.
But the past couple of years it has been all about ego's and cliques. Its sad to see people you had a good ralationship with start ignoring you because you are from "another team".
The board is not much better, one of them left last year because of internal issue's.
Basically the organization has become a hige circle jerk with a who has the biggest penis contest.
I didn't even stay fpr break-down this year and I am not sure if I want to be a part pf this any longer. Its quite sad actually, I came did my thing and left.
There was zero team feeling.
And I will be lynched if they find out I'm on here, but IDGAF anymore.
So AMA?

>>10194808
no bullshit
https://www.meetingmagazine.nl/lees-meer/nieuws/6727/world-forum-en-j-pop-foundation-verlengen-contract-animecon-met-3-jaar

>>10194787

Anon is right, during acon last year a couple of things happened that were against contract rules. Acon was the one who broke them.

>>10194971
It's not just last year. It was already ongoing before that horrible Oracle shitfest.

>>10194980
And the WF was to blame for that Oracle Shitfest.That was them pushing Acon into a impossible situation.

>>10194971
Also one of the acon board members personally insulting a wf higher-up and the person finding out, didn't help.

>>10194980
Oracle shit fest was based on a contract between wf and Oracle long before animecon set their dates. In the contract they were not allowed to say anything about the event. Wf offered a different week for that year putting animecon right during exams.
But animecon wanted to keep their set weekend.
So basically their own stubbornness made things worse.

>>10194787
Both parties screwed up but acon was planning on leaving long before they split with wf. They were just looking for a way to get out of paying a huge fine for breaking the contract.
The contract with the Ahoy was as good as signed before acon 2018, it was their plan to move there in 2020 anyway when the renovation was over. And wf droped the ball just enough for acon to get away home free.
Publicly they ended things with a "best for both parties" but, behind the scene both parties were glad to be rid of each other.

>>10195014
And at least that sounds reasonable as a scenario. But then, most of the seagulls here are people who like to see the world burn, right?

>>10194940
what internal issues made said board member leave?

also you do realize you're also participating in the ego thing by posting about this, even when you're doing it anonymously?

>>10195016
hah yeah. Imagine gulls being mature enough to understand that business relationships are not the same as personal relationships and that disagreements can be resolved in a professional way, despite breaking a contract.

I checked the website for when the new part of ahoy will be finished and it will be at the end of 2020. So that means acon will be next year be like this

>>10195360
Animecon did say at the ending ceremony that it will take place in 2020, but the exact dates and where = unknown. So who knows.

What is up with the sound during Deshima? That was really fucked up. And i was really looking forward to it..

>>10195416
sound was fucked up the entire weekend at the main stage. even during the movie on sunday morning the audio was heavily distorted. hell even the sound at the karaoke was better!

>>10195416
Blame Ahoy for that.

>>10195416
I have spoken with one of the DJ's, and they said that they got capped by Animecon to 85 decibel due to night regulations. So not the fault of Deshima. They did what they could due to the limitations. Too bad like 80% of the people left because of it

Other than that, once you got used to the sound, Deshima was awesome. Great to see their new set up. And SQUAT FOR THE MOTHERLAND. xD

>>10195467
85 db is loud enough desu.

Why do people keep doing in character ask panels. Those are the cringiest shit. I get they are allowed on Tomo, but why at Animecon?

>>10195467
Great to see them fill up the stage with dancers too. Good choice.

>>10195484
Yeah it's sad really, idk how many people went to it but panels/lectures in general were very empty

>>10195502
I think many people didn't go upstairs in general which is sad. That was the place you could actually get the con feeling.

Well the new ahoy convention center that's being built looks very promising. Maybe they'd better stick it out for another couple of years to see if that works.
"Haastige spoed is zelden goed"

>>10195484
What kind of panels were there even?

well, that was this year again. some good, some bad, overall still enjoyable!

some pain points:
- the audio in the main stage was fucked for most of the con, and only got fixed around when Deshima started. the mixing at concerts and the 5.1 downmix on the saturday movies were really bad. glad it eventually got fixed, but it did taint the earlier events :(
- the video signal at the main stage had some fuckery going on too that lasted the entire convention. it seems like they used a sloppy version of 3:2 pulldown which introduced a ton of lag frames. really obvious moment for this was the Maquia ED which was supposed to one long smooth pan, but instead had a bunch of stutter. the screens on the side, at least on friday, used a bad bobbing deinterlacing algoritm as well, causing for instance the subs to jump up and down a pixel constantly.
- it felt like there was no good central place to meet and take pictures like ye olde stairwell was at World Forum. there was the hall to the exit, but you're only really going there if you're coming in or going out, instead of just roaming the convention.
- I think they tried really hard on making the Ahoy atmosphere work and it was better than most convention halls, but it still lacked some coziness for me. unsure how to fix this easily though, I'm far from a decorations expert.
- pushing the panels to the top floor, while making sense for the Ahoy layout, also makes it a lot harder for people to just pop into something randomly that seems interesting, as you have to make a conscious decision to go up to the third floor and see what's up. maybe some of the back of the entry hall could be used somehow?
- the 85dB cutback was unfortunate, but very manageable. if you just remove your hearing protection you're pretty much at the same level as before, minus some bass feelings of course. I think the hardest challenge for the DJs right now is doing this transition without draining the room energy completely.

>>10194736
Same as usual for the duo's and solo's

>>10195520
otherwise, I was really impressed by Deshima this year, they really upped their game well with the visuals! still would've liked more anison and 2hu remixes, but it was a definite improvement already. really liked the now playing indicator too.

the parapara workshop was fun as usual, the food court was a definite improvement from last year, and the game room was also very nice, although I think the Cooler Master truck was completely unnecessary, even though it's cool they managed to get it.

I felt like there was less to do overall, maybe because of the lack of personally interesting panels, but I still got to see a bunch of people again and have fun to make up for it. good times overall again!

>>10195520
Should have moved the foodcourt to the entrance hall , that would have tied the hall/workshop levels to the court/dealer area. Now it just felt disconnected.

The good:
-Much more space compared to world forum.
-No more getting stuck in long narrow hallways
-Especially the food court was nicely done. Lot's of stuff to eat and enough tables to sit.

The bad:
-The sound. I'll just pretend I understand what >>10195520 said.
-Many big events are only seperated by a curtain. Making the hall for all the main events, movies etc. very noisy.
-panels are on a different floor. Between the panels and the main halls there is an empty space seperating the panels from the rest of the con.

The ugly
-They took my food! They sure are very strict with the "no food" rule.
No water bottles allowed, you can't bring any kind of food in.
So if you buy some overpriced candy in the dealerroom, take it outside and want to go back inside, they will throw it away.
-No daylight. All the big events are in huge dark halls with no windows.

>>10195525
I guess you want to pay more for your ticket and cozy up to those wrinkly grannies on saturday that came to see Iglesias in the main hall.

I got to admit the change of venue was a bit to get used to. Everyone loved the Animecon location and me personal for the Main stage and lecture area's. The building itself is just more well decorated.

After walking around and just asking nicely the people of Ahoy on Friday and Saturday were pretty nice in regards of shooting at certain locations. Sadly some people already went all aboard, moving things, going further and just blocking skywalks etc that security was not allowing it anymore. Outside are decent shoot locations if you looked around and took your time. Even the gameroom allowed ( without flashes etc ) to shoot inside.

Lets be honest Animecon at World Forum was stone, patches of grass and the stairs. Nothing special and after all those years you kinda have seen it all.

Wish the security at the entrace was more logical and unified with rules. While i was able to bring in everything while showing my bag i heard others got food, drinks and even deodorant confiscated/thrown away. Kinda annoyed the security staff a few times got involved with people their props, costumes etc about how to wear a badge for example. This was a big negative for me towards Ahoy.

Furthermore i loved the fact you got much space before actually going into the food court/hall but once you were there it really felt cramped together in that small walkway, bagroom, lockers.

Mainstage was pretty big, enough room and besides the sound being not the best i liked Deshima, Teddyloid ( friday ) and the movie(s) shown. Depends on your own mindset i think.

I do hope if they are at ahoy 2019 they will rearrange the areas. The second was there and the third floor ( docks ) was not really advertised or you would just walk past like Worldforum. You actually needed to go there. Otherwise you wouldnt 'just' end up there while walking around. I havent heard anything but i assume the lectures and workshops werent really that well visited.

Really fucked up for Deshima that the sound went down after 01:00. But great to see their improvements: dancers on stage, visuals linked to a song, more K-Pop, Psytrance, Soviet Elmo, and ofcourse TeddyLoid! Overal, this is definitely one of my favorite editions!
They also made the best out of it, due to that people left because of the sound issue. I saw how the DJ's were devastated seeing people leave due to the sound limitations, but eventually kept their energy high. Big respect to that!
AnimeCon, deal with the night permit next year!!!

Too bad they won't be at Abunai. Missed opportunity to have a awesome party there, instead of the shitstorm called Abunaibeats.

>>10195602
Frankly this was the first decent Deshima Sounds after years of mediocre editions. Perhaps they finally opened their eyes and upped their game after seeing Tomo, Nishi and Abunai all opt for alternatives for the time being.

Ahoy was ok, but what was up with these dogshit panels? there was nothing interesting to see/do, first con I basically didnt go to anything except mainstage events really

Alright, Animecon time! Let's start off with the things that need work:
>The overall lighting was a too dark. The lack of sunlight kills any sense of time and just makes everything look gloomy. This really didn’t do the overall ambience any good. Opening up a few of those hall curtains in the dealer and food hall during the day would make a huge difference. Also, the locker area really needed more light.
>Noise. I know there isn’t a lot they can do about this inside the halls, but having to yell to make an order at the food court does not sparkle joy.
>At times it was uncomfortably warm inside. While normie me could just remove a layer of clothes, many cosplayers could not. I’d hate to think what the the indoor temperature would had been if it was a bit warmer outside.
>The tasting areareally was not what we were promised. Staff and board members kept mentioning and showing off the fancy bar for the tasting area, yet we got some concrete with black curtains and noise from other events. I was really looking forward to having a separate tasting room again where you can actually hear what’s being told.
>The badge check points were quite the bottleneck and some were redundant. Some silly people also kept blocking up the main path to take pictures, kinda annoying but not the convention’s fault.
>It’s hard to stay hydrated when Ahoy security keeps confiscating bottles and drinks. Some people even had consumptions purchased at the con confiscated as they re-entered Ahoy. Also Pepsi, really?
>The upstairs bar and event rooms went largely unnoticed and didn’t felt like it was a part of the convention. Adding some decorations, banners on the escalators or something could probably fix this issue.
>I may have overlooked this, but if not please add a prop check and tag (weapon) props that have been approved. I’ve seen the same few people being harassed over the same props over and over by Ahoy security.
>Cancelled events could had been communicated way better.

(Continued from >>10195660) And now for the good, because that too needs to be said:
>The Gameroom was top notch this year and really benefited from the new venue. Lots of space, no bad smells due to the improved air circulation and pretty damned nice in terms of content. Indie Saturday was cool and so was the raised stage, perfect for competitions! The Cooler Master truck served as decorative filler, but not really something people would miss if you ever need the space for something more useful.
>The dealer room was fine as it was although the actual dealer/artist placement could use some tweaking. I also heard the dealer room got filled with smoke from the main stage’s smoke machines at some point which might be worth checking out if the 2020 edition will still be at Ahoy.
>The food court had nice selection of food, although slightly expensive. The lanterns added a nice matsuri touch to it all. However, I would either rotate the tables and benches 90 degrees or leave a path halfway to make it easier for people to actually sit down in the middle rows. As it was you just couldn’t get there without climbing over tables.
>Bootleg control did its job, or so I’ve heard. Keep up the good work and those scammers away.
>Shuttle busses were a nice touch, even with the metro running until late at night.
>Despite everything that went wrong behind the scenes you guys still managed to bring a nice convention, and for that I salute you!

>>10195628
What I heard is that the events budget got cut. So they couldn't afford more than the cheap/free workshops and panels.
But hey they had more cosplay compos this year.

>>10195602
Animecon wanted a night permit, but the location didn't want to do it for the first edition there. I love the vibe deshima has every time, but people will always be 50/50 as it may not be their taste. However, I want a beat to dance to, no karaoke music, so abunai beats is a big no for me. Who tf let's the audience (and maybe even more people) decide on the music that is played?

>>10195812
The organisation of Abunai totally loves Abunai beats.

>>10195820
Oh? Don't they like the style of music Deshima plays?

Shoutout to my homies who went to the bondage workshop in animecon,

That girls meltdown about the bondage was hilarious

>>10195826
Not sure.. but I guess there was a reason to move Deshima Sounds to the Friday?

>>10195836
Deshima sounds won't be there on friday tho. I guess they're not coming at all.

>>10195827

what meltdown?

>>10195836
Because according to Abunai, Abunaibeats is the more popular one.

Haha, it's funny that they think that way. No shit if the Saturday has always more people than the fridays. But also what a fact is: if we look at the percentage from start till end, Deshima maybe loses 20% of their audience, and Abunaibeats loses 50% half way. Good example was the last two years at Abunai. Deshima is definitely still the best there is.

Those that think Abunaibeats or Tomobeatz are better, then they really have low standards (play youtube rips or 128kbit music) or just have a serious issue of hearing problems.

>>10195860
She thought it was very wrong and bad to have this at a con since we were semi
Naked so she threw a fit and got security involved needless to say i secretly filmed the activities eventho it wasnt allowed

Abunaibeats would be a lot better if they could uh, manage transitions and atmosphere flow of their set. which is rather fundamental.

>>10195860
From what I heard a Tumblerina who did not get memo what a Kinbaku/Shibari lecture/demo is about and that the model who was about to be tied up was wearing a bikini, a tiny one but still not completely nude.

>>10195871
Prettymuch this, lll post the video later once i concert it to a webm

>>10195871

the model was wearing a bra and her pants.The dom tried to play the audience to persuade the model to take of her pants.
In the end she still decided to keep on her pants.

>>10195878
Luckily it ended before we got to do bondage ourselfs, didnt want to see the trannies join in on that.

>>10195878
So actually a tame edition compared to the first time two years ago at the WF. And that was a good demo, good explanation, good questions asked by the audience.

Some people, uurgh!

>>10195857
No, not this year. But the last few years they were.

>>10195871
>>10195873
i rather see the sperging tumblrina than the bondage tbqh desu

>>10195867
Abunaibeats is good for a friday or a second stage next to Deshima, but no way for a busy night if people really want to go all out.

>>10195893
Filming was banned from con onsite i filmed the security gaurds being there and a bit of everything i had like a 6 second window :/

>>10195898
The only way to get this into abunai's thick skulls is by boycott or by petition, but even then they probably won't listen.

>>10195906
then the ticket price will go up substantially. deshima has become quite expensive in recent years.

>>10195951
I have spoken to one of the DJ about this a while back, and they usually do 600-700 euro for their set at Animecon and Abunai. If you'd ask me, this isn't really much money for 4 hours work. Lets say if there is 500 people in the room, it costs like 1.5 euro per person.

A friend of mine has played at various festivals, and he alone receives 800 euro for 1 hour.

So I really doubt that the ticket prices would go up because they supposed to be expensive.

>>10195972
i work 40h a week and i only earn 2k. even with a 2h setlist preparation in mind, €100,- / hour is a pretty high salary.

>>10195973
You are also talking about equipment, buying the music they play and transporting all of that to the convention. Plus deshima has more staff than just the 2 guys you see on stage.
600€ for prep, equip, music and staff is nothing.

>>10195906
Abunai is on their way to destruction with this decision.

>>10195951
Well, in recent years they did upgraded their equipment. They frequently buy their music. The money must come from somewhere.

>>10195972
Ah, this reminds me the Tomodeal when Deshima asked 800 euro for a 16 hour DJ session divided in 2 days, and Tomo said it was too expensive. The main reason why Tomobeatz is in the world now.

>>10195973
But it's not you that pay, it's all the visitors in total. At a convention, there is what, 5000 paying visitors? That's like 10 cents per person. Seriously what are we talking about?

>>10195978
They are usually with 6 people, and all has specific jobs. But you sir, I share your opinion.

>>10194040
>>10189843
Completely missed this at the con, but in other peeps' photo's I like what I see. Judging from other people's photo's and nostalgia bias I disagree with "meh" anon.

Did you guys even hit the dealerroom floor with that cosplay? The DL was all I saw all weekend with their insane opening hours.

>>10195973
"i work 40h a week and i only earn 2k"
I am very happy for you that you have a regular job. It's rare nowadays, so bless you. However, you are forgetting that most entertainers in any field work on a freelance basis. Meaning they need to build their own pension and healthcare funds PLUS they need to pay and invest in their gear and its traveling expense.
Not to mention "dry months".

It's not comparable to a normal day job in the very least.

>>10194040
>>10196000

Neither I or the Metabee had much of a choice. Real life comes first sometimes. While I started way ahead of time, life just sometimes fucks things up. Metabee literally had full days of working through orders and only just had some spare time of her own to create Riven & Metabee. I'm rather proud of what both of us achieved considering the circumstances. And looking at the crowd reaction; i think most people enjoyed seeing the Medabots.

As for my own opinion on the costume: yeah it's not my standard. But it was good enough for the time/money we had and people loved it. And ultimately, that's what counts for me. They weren't for competitions anyway.

>>10196000
And yes we did, at the end of saturday. I think it was around 3pm - 4pm or so.

>>10196000
its not 'meh', it was probably some of the most outstanding cosplay there was this time, but we're used to even better from them thats all

Did someone see the post of tath person in cosplayNL about being harrassed outside animecon?

What irritates me kinda is they all say rotterdam this and that. But i had the same issue in the hague. So is still do not understand the negativity

Dont get me wrong it is horrible it happen but if you go in soms cosplays outsite you can get a unwanted reaction. And as it is no good you can do nothing about it

>>10196031
It just feels like people wanting attention for being victims sometimes. You're going to get stuff like that anywhere.

>>10196031
maybe tolerance for intolerance wasnt the right choice afterall

>>10196015
>>10196017
Wish I saw you guys... I loved the game so much back when I was in highschool in de 00's.

>>10196030
Ok fair enough. I read ya too harshly then I guess.

>>10196031
every big city is shit, only thing you can really do about it is travel with a big buddy or carry pepperspray.

Old school here, Acon 1999, next to Central Station with platform 0 (perron 0), the Paulus Church next to the venue, across Westersingel there was the Kruiskade, junks and criminals in the whole area, even parking in a parking garage was no garantuee that you would leave with your car stereo and car windows, now that was a real shitfest.

Alright, I got some decent sleep. So I'll give my recap.
- Rotterdam sucks. Yes, I understand. I'm from hicksville, so I wouldn't "get" the Big City. But Zuidplein was not exactly inviting to cosplayers (to say the least, I've heard several people complaining).
- Food Court was awesome. I entered the hall and there was this whole matsuri atmosphere (except that the tower needed a tako drum). I got addicted to curry and those chicken things. Also, I finally got to taste real Okonomiyaki (I've never been to the Kansai region).
- Dealer room is huuuge. But everybody and their dog was selling tacky buttons. And there were too few stands with manga. Dropped a hundred euro on manga still.
- Not enough direction-signs (no, a couple of poles don't cut it). Where in blazes was Dock 4? Door is closed? I had no idea there was a panel going on, inside.
- Asahi Bar. I want that in my house. Good thing I only discovered it on saturday evening when they were about to close.
- Who the hell put Dutch songs on the karaoke?
- Never got any trouble with the food-drinks-bags-check though, I always carry my foldable water bottle in my cargo pants.
- Saw a volunteer handle an angry visitor more professional than the Ahoy security, the security guys were looking in awe at the volunteer.
- The ATM was empty on friday. Figures. Back when WF had an ATM, it was empty on friday too.

Also, on a different note. I was having a smoke outside, sunday evening, after most of the visitors went home, and a couple of those staff guys were having a drag. And I started talking to them. One of them was rambling about what could be better and all that (apparently, he was around since Animecon 1999). And then he started getting all philosophical. Most of it was incoherent mumbling of someone who didn't get enough sleep this weekend, but drank more than medical experts would consider responsible this weekend. But two things stuck:
- He said that perfect con-atmosphere is a convention where, whichever corner you turn, you bump into a friend having fun; leaving will make you feel satisfied; the return-trip home the feeling of being a traveller returning from a long and far travel; and the next days you will have this empty, gnawing feeling (longing back to the convention) that people refer to as Post-Con-Depression.
- To create a perfect con-atmosphere, you'll need to have two things: lot's of stuff to do INSIDE and space to lounge OUTSIDE, everything else, he said, was just extra or windowdressing. Of all the conventions he went to, in the last decades, this combination was key. Was the weather sucky, so that people couldn't lounge outside (we all remember that Abunai in Koningshof where it poured the entire weekend), the con is sucky. If there is nothing to do inside, but a lot of lounging outside, the con is sucky (Tomo-everything, except Tomoparty, which is outside and doesn't have an inside, and is therefore a glorified cosplay meet, and not a convention). He said that the con-atmosphere on this con would've improved tremendously if they put up some benches in the smoking area / photoshoot location.

>>10196153
this seems pretty sensible, although I wouldn't necessarily divide it into in- and outside: Theaterhotel had a great lounge area just in the middle of the con itself, the entry hall.

>>10196160
Yes, and Theaterhotel had an even better lounge area outside. Directly next to the bar, I might add. Which made it perfect.

My overal animecon experience:

Pros:
- Nice content
- Loving the foodcourt, feels like a matsuri
- Spacious dealerroom
- K-pop night. Was a total surprise
- Stewards were friendly this time
- Deshima had an amazing vibe and loved how they did their show. Those dancers are hot!!
- Gameroom is great!
- Unmei idols had a nice performance
- Had a blast with the whiskey tasting as always

Cons:
- The docks and second stage was a bit out of the way, felt like was seperate from the con
- The nazi security
- Myth and roid sound was horrible, wasn't tuned correctly
- The sound at deshima after 1 went down. One of the best events got destroyed because of it. Nice way to ruin a events name because of it. Now thinking of it, i dont hear or saw a statement why animecon did that.
- Dojo next to the karaoke is a big nono
- The workshop area in the foodcourt is tucked away somewhere in a corner, it's almost not visable
- Food and drinks felt more expensive compared to last year

>>10196511
>- Dojo next to the karaoke is a big nono
haha oh my god on Sunday morning this was actually distracting to me. I spent 1.5hrs learning the bo-staff and tonfa, and then you just hear 1.5hrs of horribly singing weebs. I heard several songs more than once. At least the guy doing Rammstein made me laugh but it definitely was a bit annoying.

>>10195484
Actually went to check them out both to see what the commotion was all about.

Didn't see Haikyuu or played Persona.

The one from Haikyuu was more playing games then answering questions. It was quite enjoyable as they highly involved their visitors even if you didn't know the series.

The Persona one was plain boring. There was no real connection with the audience as they just sat there. But I guess this is how they usually go? I heard later from a friend one of the host complained they could have had more potential as their usual visitors weren't there. Aren't you guys suppose to entertain the crowd and not the other way around? Guess it's better if they stayed at home and did their little thing with their friends.

>>10195514
I remember there being one on dabbing.

How were the competitions during the weekend? Who were the winners? I couldn't watch during the weekend sadly

Winners are:
Friday
Group: Mirai miracle (kda)
Korea: Paraluna (assassin's creed)
Cicaf: Macky and partner (black butler)
Wcs: rose en prince
ECG: Mmmc Alana Melissa (Gaurdians of the Galaxy)
C4: kenjico and partner? (avatar)
ICL: chanco & Silesia (brave)

Saturday (C4)
Winner: Germany
Runner-up: USA
Mention: Canada

Sunday:
General solo: jaune from fate, unsure about cosplay name
ECG: levy like ( tiny Tina)
ICL: surelia (tales of)

>>10196153
>Post-Con-Depression
Not having that at all, to be honest.
>>10196511
>Now thinking of it, i dont hear or saw a statement why animecon did that.
True, Deshima Sounds had to explain themselves on their FB page.

>>10196588
Don't forget the dickbutt trophy, which went to Team Belgium at sunday.

>>10196600
They did say it over the mic, but I guess even that couldn't be heard with the soundissues.

>>10196651
Ah, I see.

>>10196651
Well, Abunai is around the corner, so Deshima will rock it with full power. Atleast at Abunai they have a night permit

>>10196660
Deshima Sounds will be at Viencon, not Abunai.

>>10196552
Persona was awkward. I could barely understand what some of them were saying and so much dead air

>>10196662
What the f#(/ is up with that? It was already bad enough that Deshima got pushed back to the fridays the last two editions.. Why aren't they there?

>>10196663
Ofcourse it was awkward. That's no surprise looking at the fact to who's even holding it. They all should just stop with those incredibly boring panels.

>>10196706
The Haikyuu one was pretty enjoyable. Would consider visiting their panel again. They had a quiz to test your knowledge, had to try to pin a wig one someone's head blindfolded. Did a "stoelendans" and dared the public to join a fashion walk and a push up battle. You could win some prices too. There where quite a few other things I can't remember.

Would definitely not visit one that is organized by the people behind the persona one.

>>10196720
Same anon. Yeah, I was talking about the Persona one. I didn't visit the Haikyuu one myself since I'm not a fan of it, but the Persona one was incredibly boring and cringey.

>>10196031
I feel like the hague was in a more upclass neighbourhood anyway so it was less of an issue. Also with europol next doors and other important facilities it was just generally a nicer area.

Were either of the Haikyuu or Persona panel filmed?

Also I do think there isn't much of an audience for Q&A panels like these. They're known to be cringey in general.

>>10196785
You weren't allowed to take any photos or film during the Persona panel. Someone filmed it. They wrote down the information on the flip-over but didn't find it worthy enough to note it down. I'm sure they will promote it somewhere soon.

As for the Haikyuu one, didn't see they brought someone to film everything. The audience and someone of the people from the panel took pictures and the filmed it. They didn't promote themselves of who they are on social media other than a short introduction. Sadly don't remember their names anymore.

" Didn't find it worthy enough to note it down." sounds like a lack of promotion on their end. At least when you don't allow photos and videos to be taken because you're doing it yourself, clearly let the audience know where they can find it back.

All in all it sounds both panels didn't promote themselves strongly. Even though the Haikyuu panel started doing activities because they barely received questions it sounds to me this was a more entertaining panel than the Persona one. Even though they're ask panels, the audience stills goes there to enjoy themselves.

>>10196704
I am not sure, but they weren't at Nishicon as well and Abunaibeats was at Nishicon. I think Abunai thinks their dj evening is better. Especially since that is moved to Saturday a few years ago.

>>10196762
Statenkwartier is indeed more upper class, many expats love to live there.

>>10196511
Prices were the same. Remember that 1 Moola coin is 2,50. There were no coins thia year so something which cost 9 euro is actually 4,50 Moola. Oh yeah dont buy drinks from the Ahoy Heineken stands those were overpriced. The Bar near the docks was cheaper as well. But not much people know it exists. The Map was very unclear. People called it out but Animecon didnt listen.

>>10196884
9 eur would be 3.6 Moola by that conversion, not 4.5.

>>10196015
I love medabots and I even started following both of you on instagram

I feel like such a fanboy

Does anyone what the name was of the game with the musical instruments in the dealerroom? (guitar, drums) My nephew had so much fun that he is willing to set aside some money for it.

>>10196588
Surprised to see a few "new" names this time. levy like was allowed to compete in tina tina again, yes? What was Rose Prince wearing?

>>10196980
Rose and Prince were wearing something from Octopath Traveler

>>10196943
Guitar Hero?

>>10196899
Moolah´s have been devalued to 1 euro, the only one still using them is Acon as event compensation and food vendors have to accept them and they will get their money when they return the Moolah's to the Acon Staff.

>>10196884
>There were no coins thia year
There were moolas this year. 1 moola is 1 euro. But I didn't buy them, because most food stands had a PIN-machine.

It'd be nice though if you could pay in the dealerroom with moolas. I mean, the ATM was empty on friday afternoon already.

>>10196943
either Guitar Hero or Rock Band, probably.

>>10197072


o man I missed the Moolah?

Was there a Moolah machine? It was my life hack to get cash.
Pin x amount of Moolah, then exchange them for cash at the desk.

next time; Just ask the dealer if they accept Moolah, I know some who would,
although it wouldn't get you very far if they are devalued to 1 euro each.

>>10197072
>I didn't buy moolah
You couldn't, even if you wanted. Acon uses them to provide guests and such with food money. They were taken out of rotation a couple of years ago, even announced that this was going to happen, with a possibility for refund at the time.

So about that maybe 2nd animecon. Almelo maybe it was?
If they decide to go for that, would you go? Big hints about this during the closing ceremonies. It was still just an idea animecon is thinking about.

>>10197460
Going back to almelo hotel would be a mayor setback i think

>>10197492
It will probably be in a much smaller scale. No big cosplay compo. I think i like the idea of it but is it even possible to get a room at the hotel.

>>10197497
I think they only will do it as an second convention but not as it is now. Aninecon is very commercial( not as much as DCC but compared to many others they are)

>>10197497
Most likely, Almelo can hold some 3000 people at the most, if the average ticket price is somewhere around 50 euro's than you talk about 150k income at the most, much less income from tables in the dealer room.

Lets say they take in 200k max, you have to hire the location, equipment, furniture and so on, what is left for international compo's, band, anime, events, game room...

And then there is the hungergames for getting a room in het THA?

>>10197543
I agree. My comment was about the potential second convention. I always liked that the Almelo city centre was overrun with cosplayers and others on the con weekend,

But if they are going to do a second weekend i wonder if the financial rumors are false.

>>10196704
Well, that's probably because Abunai thinks that their event is better and they could do a better job. The only better job Abunaibeats can do is to kill the party half way with DJ Spotify.

>>10197572
You know that dutch proverb "de beste stuurlui staan aan wal?" Think about that

>>10197497
I wouldn't mind some sort of throwback con. Theaterhotel, large focus on anime screenings (but not CR stuff I can easily view at home! Gimme some insane/amazing obscure stuff and a couple of new movies, please), very retro gameroom, some panels/lectures by budget versions of Helen McCarthy... If the quality is there, I'd pay for it.

>>10197776
I expect it to be a huge flop.
The animecon staff is used to having 6-7 times more money than almelo would even bring up.
They already have problems budgeting now. Taking a step back is hard. The past is usually tainted by rose colored glasses making things seem way more amazing than they were.

>>10196762
To add to this; meanwhile, Ahoy is closer to neighbourhoods like Charlois and has tons of places with shady people out there. Personally, I was well-covered yet also got a fair share of harassment while waiting on a friend just because I looked funny; there just happens to be a lot of creepy people out there where in The Hague strangers may have been obviously confused, maybe called some names, but they seemed way less.. hostile?

>>10197898
idk.. I've been paying attention at Nishicon, and I noticed that building a convention in Theaterhotel these days is a lot easier, since the ambience is already there. The theatre already has basic lighting, a mixer and an audio set There's a large TV in every room suitable for lectures. Their catering already knows what to expect, and what to serve. Securing the place is quite simple, so no need for a small army of rent-a-cops: just a couple in addition to the regular stewards should suffice to keep the peace.

So, yeah, the budget will be lower, but the cost will be too, and if you would make it a little exclusive by not going back to the pricing of 7 years ago, but somewhere in between, I reckon Animecon is fully capable of going back to the good old days for a weekend, for those who want it.

I need Teddyloid 2020.

>>10197960
I live very close to Ahoy and I have never been harassed, even during Animecon. I got a bunch of people (mostly elders) who came up to me and would ask what was going on. But I did get harassed INSIDE of Animecon.

As someone who's spent a good chunk of their life in Rotterdam, I usually get left alone when wearing more "out there" clothes or straight up costumes. Of course some remarks about what is going on or if there is an event, but nothing inappropriate.
However, when I wear normie clothes, no matter if it's a lot of skin in summer or I'm all bundled up for winter, that's when I experience Rotterdams bad reputation for street harassment.

>>10198722
Same here. Never had problems with cosplay our japanese fashion in rotterdam ( not in center or station when tsunacon was still alive and not at ahoy and around) but i did get some really nasty and sexual remarks in de hague.

I did get remarks when i was wearing normie clothes in rotterdam. Same as you and it did not matter if i was like dressed from top to toe or in a short skirt or anything

>>10197898
I'm thinking more along the lines of something that compliments what they're going in Ahoy now, not something that's just a mini budget version of it. Proper movie screenings in rooms that are actually suited for it. That'd be nice. I don't mind if it's a little more expensive than it used to be, or more expensive than Nishi is now. Not to mention that Theaterhotel is cheaper anyway. No need to rent lots of decorations. Also, no need to fly in dozens of international guests just to justify the costs of main stage.

>>10198754
Niels would rather die than let go of the cosplay compo's.
I doubt Almelo will ever happen. Also it's a stab in the back to Nishicon.
If they do host an event in the THA they will kill nishi.
Just like animecon would not like a bigger event to host a similar but bigger, better organized and with more money at the Ahoy.

>>10198773
Acon killing Nishicon, if that is their goal than Nishicon would have gone the way of the dodo some time ago!

Acon needs the smaller cons, like it or not but these smaller cons draws the younger crowd for whom a first visit to Acon seems rather expensive unless they know what they can expect in the form of more and better and that it worth the money.

Again like it or not, Acon has the name of being expensive, they manage to draw by far the biggest crowds.

>>10198445
Well, I guess it then just kind of depends on being lucky/unlucky?

>>10198773
If anything kills Nishi, it's Nishi. They've been coasting along, but it feels emptier every year. Like, the MangaKissa wasn't even there this year, was it? They could do so much better if they put some more effort into events and promotion.

That said, Nishi definitely has its own niche (or two). Great place if you want to introduce younger fans to the anime convention experience. Plenty of things for them to do without being overwhelmed, while you get to hang out with fellow oldtimers all day. And they're less likely to run into bad influences there than at cringefest Tomo whatever.

>>10198773
>Animecon stabbing nishicon
Nah. Acon staff might be insensitive at times, but if there's one con they're friends with, it's nishicon.
I would sooner expect Acon helping them out or even taking them under their wing, than stabbing them in the back. Not their style.

Im a bit confused about the solo results at animecon.
I thought icl was all about costume?
Maybe im confusing it with eurocos....

>>10199624
It is all about costume.

ICL: 100% costume. No suit
ECG: 50/50
Eurocos: 40/60. Costume is 40 and skit 60

>>10199664
*skit. I have nothing against suits

>>10199624
I was also very confused about the winners though. No offence to the winners but I saw way better constructive costumes. Oh well, I am not a judge.

>>10199706
>>10199624

I understand what you mean but don't forget judges get to see the inside of costumes as well. I heard the judges were impressed by the neat work of the ICL winner and that's why she was chosen.

The one I'm confused about is the ECG winner... but I'm also no judge

>>10199664
Eurocosplay is 80/20 for costume actually

>>10199664
thnx for the numbers!

>>10199706
I'm so confused by the winners as well.

Honestly, the Rozen Maiden one and the other borderlands one were constructed so much better

The ICL one made her look 20 kilo fatter

ECG wasnt that impressive as well, even less impressive next to another borderlands cosplay

>>10199861
Can I be honest? It made her look more slim. She is really fat. I believe she was working on it though.

I read that she's making something different for the finals. Let's hope it's something more appealing for her figure.

Rozen maiden should've gone to ICL. Handsome jack should've gone to ECG. This is yet another display of judges that have no idea how to judge.

Now I really wonder how the judges are judging. Are they honest?
For many years I wanted to enter the solo competitions but never had the guts to do so. Reading this all, I might not consider it anymore.

>>10199914
Just do it!
The good thing is the judges change every year and even if they might have made a bad decision this year, it will be different next time.
I had some great experience backstage but it was only really messy this timr. You could tell, the organizers still have to figure out the new stage and halls themselves. Hopefully a lot will be improved till next year.

I can't say much about the result this year. I also expected Rozen Maiden to win but the prop for the Tales of Zestiria Cosplay also looked great, in my opinion.

>>10199897
She's not fat, her face just looks like a dachshund stung by a bee.

Hey, vendetta-anon made a comeback!

Or there are some really salty contestants here. I saw the Tales of Zestiria costume up close in the dealer room and it looked really good imo. Wig could use some tweaking though.

Can't say much about the ECG winner. Did not see her.

>>10199943
Pretty sure that's because she's gotten fat. Her face used to be much prettier when she was slim.

>>10199897
Its not really about looking fat in the costume, i think its more about the costume having no structure at all. for example if she had used boning in the top it just would have fitted way better in my oppinion....

>>10199897
Do agree, would have been a better choice

Rozen Maiden was beautifully made, had the chance to saw both that one and handsome jack up close, both looked flawless

All this salt on specifically Surelia... what did that girl ever do to you all?

>>10200067
not everything is personal lol

Were talking about costume here not if she is nice to people

Craftsmanship wise, I think the costumes of Suigintou and Handsome Jack both were better made and more complicated than the 2 solo winners. But nothing can change the judges decisions. And stop shaming the person self, we're just talking costumes here

What did you guys think about the C4 results then?

I loved USA but i think China should have been up there.

Did love that Belgium got the dickbutt, they were cool

>>10200077
So you are judge material. Or? There might be stuff you havent noticed. Thats all I can say. Rarely are people happy with the results. If you arent that bent on downtalking her. Why keep talking about it.

I clearly said "I think" it's just my opinion, nothing else

>>10199861
>>10199897
>>10200055
>>10200077
The rozen maiden and handsome jack didn't look THAT amazing in my opinion. Both of those costumes had flaws too.

It's like other anon already said. People are rarely satisfied with the results but the judges are the ones seeing the construction of a costume and seeing the work up close.

Now here's my thought. I think this conversation is just one or two persons replying on theirselves like what's usually the case here. It's best to start ignoring it now. Literally no one cares and it's not like anyone can change the results, nor should they.

>>10200360
Hear, hear. She won. And well deserved.

Is going to TomoFair Utrecht worth it? What is the dealer room like, can you get any good stuff there? Also, what ticket type is the best to get in your guys' opinion?
I've only ever been to Abunai and Tsunacon and I liked those enough.

>>10200789
You can see it as a market with some extra activities. Some say it is a small conventions, others think of the Japanese market that takes place in Leiden. Check the website for the dealers, there are more than 25 dealers standing there and you can be sure that there is some good food. Not a fan of TomoFair, but for a few hours it is not that bad.

>>10200789
It depends. TomoFair is mostly dealers and food with little to no additional content. It's okay when you live nearby and got a free ticket like half the people there, but not really worth traveling long distances for. Also you could always check their dealer list if you're looking for something in particular.

>>10200795
Wholeheartedly agree. TomoFair isn't worth travelling far or paying for an expensive ticket, but if you can get there easily and cheaply, it can make for a nice day with friends. Plus, it's another event you can dress up in cosplay if you want to - though I wouldn't recommend doing so if your costume is any more elaborate than say, a Dipper Pines. You don't want a delicate or big cosplay when you're visiting those weeb markets.
I wish there was more to it than the market though. I'd like a more quiet, relaxed space nearby. Maybe with some food options or a maid cafe. That'd be great, but considering it's a Tomo event, no way that's gonna happen. They had enough issues already, at least in Amsterdam.

>>10200793
it's a market. getting home after 3 hours is what it is built upon.

>>10200795
>>10200985
tomofair itself travels around to attract local people. no need for anyone to travel there.

>>10201166
Oh really now? I didn't expect that from a market.

>>10201171
I see Tomo more as the "Action" store among the conventions and meetings, it's cheap, you always pay more than you where planning to do, and it is crap so you have to spend more on the same crap or come to the conclusion that the others offer more value for your money.

>>10201656
Now THAT is a great description.

>>10201656
meh at least tomo tries to cut down on bootleg. made in asia, dcc and facts are the real "Actions" here. although dcc is more of an Action run by ryanair.

So, did anyone here visit that thing in Amsterdam yesterday?
Anything weird? Dealers not on the list,but still there? Who organised it?
I got the feeling it's Fake Monster again, but under a different name.

>>10201701
I felt it was Tomo-related in some way.

>>10201701
They call it an undercover Tomo event. It was fucking boring either way. I traveled hours to get there and it was not worth it.

Are there any upcoming events Japan related that aren't cons? like a Japanese festival or something or maybe even a concert, something big and worth going to since I live far away from all those things and I do not have the time and money to waste on disappointing things..

>>10201711
Tomofair Utrecht. It is a market.

>>10201702
They hired gamerooms.nl (part of tomo) for the gaming. Also gamecaravan was there. I think that is Tomo too. More cons and events hire tomo for certain services.

>>10201767
Domain is bought by someone who was formerly active for Gamepit, now active for Tomo.

>>10201701
>>10201702
>>10201710
Worst disguise since putting on a fake oversized mustache.

>>10201806
Omg, didn't know you were able to hire those too!

>>10201806
Looks like this image is relevant again.

>>10201767
They "hired" gamerooms because literally Tomo was behind the event. They just didn't name it "Tomo"-something.

>>10202304

And the whole tomo crew was selling 'octopoffertjes'
Their take on takoyaki I guess.

I wonder of they have a license for that.

>>10199706
I also dont understand the winners of icl duo. Look for example at the difference between the pixar mom and the cosplay mom. The crown is huge and her wig looks aweful.

>>10201701
Looking at the reviews online, it was a definite shitfest.

>>10202414
They looked good imo and their skit was enjoyable. I liked the small details in their costumes.

Why bring a topic back up that has died down though?

>>10202411
It was their chairman with an other guy I dont know. He owns his own business and is a catering teacher in a prison. They were overpriced but tasted good enough.

>>10202492
Apparently he sold out, so the price is right...

>>10202510
They were expensive but really tasty! I liked them, but the line was horrible. Took me almost an hour to order. WTF!?

>>10201761
But everyone says Tomo is shit. Also Utrecht is hours away from me, I don't want to go just for a market.

>>10202510
Not really that difficult to sell out when there are barely any other stands to buy food at during a so-called ''festival''.

>>10201701
I went to Japanfest and I can tell you it was absolutely shit. It was basically a Tomo in disguise, but probably even worse. They promoted it really big on their Facebook page and locally so I was kind of expecting something, only to be greeted with Tomo signs when I arrived. There were literally just a few stands that you could probably count on two hands. Maybe 6 or 7 foodstands but two were your usual frikandel and even roti (what is even Japanese about that?).

There was almost absolutely NOTHING Japanese themed during this ''Japanese Festival''. Even anime conventions have more cultural stuff than this shit.

A lot of ''normies'' were there as well and you could clearly tell they were extremely disappointed. I even heard some people say that it was a waste of their time and it wasn't worth any travel, even if you lived closeby. There was nothing to do as well and basically it was just a small area of grass with a couple of market stalls. This was such a big flop it's not even laughable.

I checked out their event page like >>10202424
said, and I haven't seen that much negativity about an event in quite a while. This time, Tomo definitely fucked up.

>>10202535
Wasn't it the event of ex-gamepit Brian? He was also planning to organise Anime.Amsterdam a few years ago, that became TomoFair.

>>10202517
Everyone also says the international sushi festival is shit, yet it's crowded every time.

Tomo is pretty ok for the money. Just keep in mind you don't get a full animecon, yet at the same time you're not paying for a full animecon.

I don't know what people are expecting from a free event that so far I know didn't even get a good promotion and have a website consisting of one page.

>>10202554
It's not an excuse whether or not it's free. They promoted with stuff they didn't have and/or own. They're creating the wrong expectations so ofcourse people get pissed.

>>10202565
With a 'first time' bad promoted event they can't even manage their expectations? Of course it is bad that they haven't delivered well enough, I wasn't there and glad that I wasn't.

>>10202475
Because there were better looking and more enjoyable acts on stage but that's just me.

>>10202570
Why do you even have such high expectations in the first place? Ever seen the first abunai? Or the first mgc experience? Trust me, i was there and it was far worse than any of tomo's events today.

>>10202688
Because you can't just go and advertise shit you don't even have or can't deliver. Id you promise something, people will have expectatios. If you look at Japanfest's FB page is filled with photos and pictures that they probably don't even have the rights for to use. Clearly you're not reading.

>>10202688
Found the Tomo advocate

>>10202688
>First Abunai
Yes
>First mgc
Yes
>First nishicon
Yes
>First chibicon
Yes

Most of these were modelled after animecon, and while there was much room for improvement, they delivered, and kept on delivering.

Japan Fest is organised by the people who churn out at least 4 events a year, no matter what, or no matter who they try to cross. There were expectations, which were not met.

>>10202492

> chairman and another guy

Yeah, that's the whole tomo crew

> own his own business

Nope, nothing to be found about this business called "octopoffertjes"

> Catering teacher in a prison>
He used to teach something in a prison, but i'm sure it wasn't catering. (101 on how to use a prison wallet ;) )
He also never had a license for that either.

>>10202879
Indeed and Animecon is based on conventions from the nineties and even eighties in the UK and the USA, some of those scifi conventions being used as a model are now 50-60 years old.

The biggest problem for Animecon is that they have to make a transition to a festival that is no longer the old convention model but rather more a festival event like ComicCon.

>>10202954
Do you really believe that someone can work in a prison as a teacher without a license?

>>10203311
I believe that someone can make a story prettier by telling half-truths and omitting the 'negative' parts.

>>10202954
No, he is teaching Economy and catering. He is only licensed for economy, but he used to work in a kitchen as a chef during his study.

>>10203320
Chef Menteur

>>10203320
Getting a HACCP-certificate is not that hard, and it's basically the most important thing to have in order to start catering.

>>10202879
oh you gotta be kidding! first mgc was in zalencentrum utrecht with 2 rooms and only 2 activities at the same time. gameroom was 2 xboxes with kinect and when you were playing you blocked the view of the 2m wide stage. the only food available was instant noodles from the action which they sold for 3 euro/piece.

but back then there weren't a lot of cons. you were just happy to meet people with the same interest and everything else didn't matter.
nowadays people are spoiled as fuck and expect everything to match animecon.

>>10203349
I guess it's hard to understand that times change for you? I can't believe people can be this shallow. You can't just go ahead and falsely advertise stuff and then just say ''people expected too much!'' That's ridiculous. What's so hard to get?

>>10203349
Spoiled or not, raising visitor expectations with false advertising with pretty pictures and bug promises doesn't do your event any good. Why else do you think so many people are disappointed about the shitshow that was JapanFest?

>>10203359
>>10203360
You are right. False advertisement is a no-go and the organiser(s) behind JapanFest does deserve to receive shit for it. Guess nobody found out that the person behind it is connected with Tomo. If it was a really Tomo-event, they would have been promoting it like crazy.

>>10203364
Can't believe I'd ever say this, but it was even worse than a Tomo-event. I really don't get why they think this was a good idea and followed through with it.

>>10203311
>>10203320


He tells everyone he has no licenses for anything.

I'd love to believe you can't do certain things without a license, but people prove you wrong all the time.

I knew someone who drove for years without a license.

I am too emotionally exhausted to even discuss about Tomo. Those fuckers will do whatever they want and our bitching has never stopped them. No one can prove they do illegal shit and smoll teens love to run around and jump on the bouncy castle at their events. Can we just pretend they do not exist?

>>10203399
Please. They are not that relevant to be discussed. Ignoring seems to be the best way. I

>>10203402
This.

>>10203349
mgc has always been shitty though

>>10203468
True and now it is dead.

>>10203468
true, but I had fun there. And that's what it's all about

Half the country died in today's heat and this thread will soon fall victim to it as well. A new thread with proper refreshment options can be found at >>10203652

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