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>>10278597
Has anyone ever bought from Wunderwelt using a forwarder?
I'm wondering if they will send a package out for another address besides the one listed on my paypal

>>10279140
Yes, I've used my Tenso address and paid with paypal.

>>10279143
Thanks a lot!

WTF has happened in AP Shanghai?

>>10279192
Can you elaborate??

>>10279204
no

Is this the context?

>>10279216
can someone share the full text, im too lazy to set up a weibo account.

I hope everyone is okay, I wonder what happened

>>10279216
Didn't they try to steal and break the glad on purpose?

>>10279219
Glass*

>>10279218
That's what I got from twitter

>>10279222

>>10279216
Read it and to summarise it seems to be that there were large crowds of people for some AP release, and the glass door actually broke from an accident and people got hurt. The staff wrote about male scalpers who even took off their pants in public to put on AP so they could queue, as well as people who ignored instructions to come only at 10am.

It was a quick skim so sorry if I mixed anything up.
Tl;dr Mainkand Chinese scalper's misbehaviors actually made AP Shanghai close for a day due to an accident.

>>10279223
sorry, forgot to censor the nickname

>>10279225

https://www.weibo.com/1687137734/IdgfBzG20?type=comment

Video for any gulls interested lmao.

>>10279224
The behaviour of Mainland Chinese are mostly terrible anyways, I'm not surprised.

>>10279226

>>10279229

>>10279227
What a mess.
The AP staff girl was really mad but that Chinese man sounded like such a condescending bully insulting her parents.
All the shrill shouting just proves how uncultured the whole lot are though.

When I visited AP Shanghai the shop girl was rude and standoffish, I can understand why now though

>>10279229
The amount of judgement that guy is receiving from the girls is amazing. Shame they couldn’t actually get rid of him.

>>10279227
This is fucking surreal. I feel bad for them, they have to endure those wankers every time

>>10279227
AP Shanghai is fucking wild. Any Chinese-speakers care to translate what's happening here?

Let's brain storm on how to keep scalpers away from brands

>inb4 don't allow males
I don't know the discrimination laws in China and Japan but let's stay realistic, they would just hire women to do it

>>10279311
MTOing things, I guess. The only difference between scalpers and shopping service gals is the size of fee they charge you. You can never tell them apart until actual scalpers put the stuff on sale.

>>10279351
Brands can't do unlimited MTOs, there's not endless resources and you can't hire 50 seamstresses and then fire them when a release is less popular

>>10279353
that's not how it works. it's easy to contract a factory for one project. do you really think they directly employ the people sewing the clothes? MTO for everything is a bad business idea regardless though

>>10279357
It's not that easy for lolita, it would still take work to find a good factory and do quality control. And you can't just magically grow a new factory. Some Japanese designers have complained about how hard it is to find a good manufacturer in Japan since the economic crisis killed a lot of the small ones a few years ago.

>>10279357
>MTO for everything is a bad business idea regardless though
Okay, I was about to suggest MTOs for the stuff that is expected to be well received and regular releases for rather experimental stuff. Like, look at the most recent release - it was pretty predictable that bunny ears will go out soon because people usually like traditionally sweet things. BUT at another hand, I see those on second hand market being sold by scalpers, so idk how to tell if the hype is natural or those were grabbed by scalpers who think they might be popular.

>>10279227
This seems to be an English report on the incident https://www.instagram.com/p/B4Irj6MHyp2/

>>10279311
The solution is to stop buying from scalpers

>>10279311
Scalpers should get jobs with a living wage so they don't have to literally fight people for money

>>10279311
They could pull a Hermes and interview people before they're allowed to buy.

>>10279363
Exactly, everyone knew the HL in different colors and any Halloween with a simple print instead of a clusterfuck (so milky cross, HL, holy rosary vs celestial, spooky cat bat go round, etc.) It's generally easy to tell which of the new prints will be unpopular. Anything with too many themes and colors mismashed onto poly with a chiffon overlay to wash it out doesn't get an mto. Simple spooky prints in mature or edgy colorways need MTO or they'll get scalped

>>10279228
Oh here comes the unsurprising racism.
Americans have literally stomped people to death on Black Friday just to buy shit.
You are not better.

Did you guys see this shit?
https://m.weibo.cn/status/IdgfBzG20?type=comment&jumpfrom=weibocom#&video

and this explained a bit better
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4Irj6MHyp2/

>>10279228
Mainland chinese act like animals, even if they are "rich" they have a tacky poor attitude

>>10279430
Did you even read the thread ?

>>10279423
Nobody is saying that americans are any better, stop being such a pansy, SJW chan.
As an european i'm glad i'm not associated with any of your kind

>>10279227
Can anyone translate what they are yelling? That sounds hilarious

>>10279225
Kek the guy wearing the JSK lazily apparently dropped his pants.
What an obvious scalper and loser.

>>10279437
Yeah, you guys just started the slave trade and Nazism and shit. Much better than this stuff.

Anyway I have no doubt the racism is coming from Americans. It always does, as you can see on FB lolita groups too.

>>10279433
As if rich Americans like rappers are so classy.

>>10279453
Why the hell are you WK'ing mainlanders? We're not talking about all chinese people in general.

Tell that "b-but wypipo did worse!!" shit to the countries being oppressed by the mainlanders like the Philippines and see if it flies.

does anyone know the name of this milk shirt ? I am desperate gulls pls help

>>10279458
Because the constant racism against Chinese in lolita is gross. If anyone says something about other races/ethnicities it gets shutdown immediately, but shitting on Chinese is seen as okay somehow. It's not

>>10279453
I'm >>10279228 and I'm Chinese, you SJW walnut. I'm calling it as it is, the social education in China has to improve after Mao fucked them over with the revolution.

I'm seriously thinking about buying this dress as an early Christmas present. Any ideas on some cords?

>>10279462
you're literally retarded if you think this is about racism

>>10279525

Looks like an easy dress to coord, just anything navy/kon would probably work with it. Probably throw white OTKs, some pearls to break up the colour block and that's about it.

I mean, unless you want to go really OTT and put like a chandelier on top of your head or something.

>>10279525
Gold accents would be pretty. There are lots of nice white otks with gold lame lately.

>>10279517
>i'm chinese
sure jan

>>10279462
The Mainland Chinese are some of the most powerful people on earth. They don't need your guilty white ass to defend them from what you perceive to be oppression.

>>10279526
Having a negative view of an entire race is literally what racism means, Karen.

>>10279517
>Mao fucked them over with the revolution
Lmao, is this a white person LARPing as Chinese, or a dumbass brainwashed Chinese-American? The world may never know

>>10279064
We're gonna need a hospital for people if these scalpers keep at it

>>10279552
they're talking about people in mainland China not all Chinese people you condescending idiot

>>10279420
OP’s here. Probably it’s not so straightforward, sometimes releases get surprisingly popular. I never expected Bunny High School to be popular but it went sold out really quick.

>>10279536
>>10279553
Are you Chinese? If not then they don't need your white ass defending them .
这关你什么屁事啊。

>>10279578
I expected Horror Candy Shop to be popular (and it seems that AP did as well) but they didn't sell out.
I love that print to bits and got 2 in different colourways to keep so I'm not too mad.

>>10279311
I’m not even sure why they would buy new releases in the first place, wouldn’t buying cheap second hand from japan and reselling that be way more lucrative? or are Chinese people generally less interested in used clothes?

>>10279596

if they buy it for statussymbols its probably also the "who has it first" thing

What’s the best glue to fix AP acrylic jewelry? I have a ring and a bangle that need repairs.

>>10279588
This.
Your white guilt is embarassing you faggots, move and stop playing the whiteknights.
Sincerely,someone actually chinese

>>10279564
99% of chinese people live in mainland china lol

>>10279624
barge cement or e6000

Is there anyplace where I can read a Girlism issue, or, at least, get a glimpse on its content? I've tried google and Weibo, but no luck

>>10279663
Have you checked these? http://www.rainedragon.com/girlism-a-chinese-lolita-fashion-magazine/
http://pinksmilingcat.blogspot.com/2019/09/girlism-volume-11-favorite-pages.html
https://gotadebaunilha.blogspot.com/2019/08/revista-girlism-vol11.html
besides these, you can also check on feedback section of taobao.

>>10279357
I had no idea of how the supply chain worked for MTOs, thanks for the info Anon!

>>10279400
>Okay, I was about to suggest MTOs for the stuff that is expected to be well received and regular releases for rather experimental stuff. Like, look at the most recent release - it was pretty predictable that bunny ears will go out soon because people usually like traditionally sweet things. BUT at another hand, I see those on second hand market being sold by scalpers, so idk how to tell if the hype is natural or those were grabbed by scalpers who think they might be popular.
I love this idea, give them a questionnaire

>>10279652
refer to >>10279536

>>10279453
nayrt but Chinese people are racist as fuck too, ay-originally-rt might have been Chinese

>>10279462
MAINLAND CHINESE. Girl, you clearly know nothing about politics. Please take a fucking seat and let people have a discussion. Why are white people always so offended for other people?

I see a lot of resellers selling this dress. Is it terrible quality?

>>10279693
Newfag

>>10279693
There's a wonderful thread that can help steer you in the right direction :)
>>10278608

>>10279693
Duh, it’s a replica

>>10279693
Lurk moar, newfag.

>>10279693
Almost any reseller will give you a top quality dress!

>>10279672
Thank you! I am considering buying the next issue, so these helped.

Lel. Women are so cunty. My goodness men are superior.

...Am I the only one thinking this coord isn’t cohesive at all?

>>10279722
Yes.

>>10279722
No, it's a jumbled mess. it looks like what would happen if you used a mannequin to store a bunch of random wardrobe pieces.

>>10279693
This is more of a question for the Stupid Questions thread.

But yeah, as >>10279701 mentioned it is a replica. Don't buy it, the quality is never good.

You'll need to search second hand Mary Magdalene for it.

>>10279722
The coord is cohesive actually, there's a matching blue shade on the dress, and it would be nicer with some small pink bow attached to the beret. But I do think that the colors of the print look like a mess in pink though. That's where the problem is.

>>10279766
It's not just the colours. It's everything. The collar of the blouse doesn't suit the bodice of the jsk nor do the bows fit well together. The ricrac trim is just kinda there and clashes with the purse. The waist rope could be an interesting detail but gets lost by being amidst so many traditional bows.

>>10279688
Why are white people always accused of racism?

>>10279453
>calls someone out for "racism"
>immediately throws rappers, a predominantly black group of artists, under the bus
classic white sjw

Take it to /pol/ y'all

>>10279677
That anon is wrong though, it's not easy. Look at the quality issues with HL when AP used a manufacturer that was really far away for them.

>>10279462
Ain't racist if it's true, boo.

>>10279517
>implying this was Mao's fault and not something Deng didn't consider when he opened up China
Cultural Revolution Part 2 when?

>>10279722
idk but deep blue + pink is definitely an uncommon combination

>>10279227
Wow they all act like such peasants which is hilarious since they are into lolita.

>>10279688
99% of Chinese people live in mainland China you dipshit. If you're racist against almost all of a race, you're still racist

>>10279686
>>10279652
Chinese people would not be anywhere near a place like 4chan due to strict obscenity laws and censorship. And no, whitewashed Chinese-Amerifags don't count

>>10279951
>99%
let's see those calculations anon
>due to strict obscenity laws and censorship
when does law prevent people from using a vpn lmao. tho I agree that chinese people wouldn't use 4chan, they have their own version.

>>10279951
>whitewashed Chinese-Amerifags don't count
seems like youre the racist one here

VM - Long Chiffon Underskirt (ロングシフォンアンダースカート)
Price: 13,200 yen (tax incl.)
Colours:
>Black
>Off white
>Ivory
>Deep Bordeaux
>Mocha
>Silver grey

Length: 74 cm
Waist: 58 cm (minimum)

Outer material: 100% polyester
Lining: 100% polyester

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/TMSK03-.html
Note: The length of the lining is shorter than previous releases
-----------------------------------------------------------
Release date: October 29 18:00 JST

>>10279951

God forbid manners and being considerate makes me whitewashed.

>>10279992
Honey, stop

>>10279992
Imagine hating your own race kek

>>10279722
You may not like it, but this is what peak coording looks like.

>>10280029
>>10280010
Sjw chan it's time to eat your meds and go the fuck to sleep

>>10279461
what the actual fuck

>>10279311
bully them out of it and make their "jobs" dangerous

>>10280079
>tfw you will be able to masturbate to videos of lolitas bullying and beating up scalpers in your lifetime

>>10279461
Oh my god this is fantastic

>>10280083
I wish coords like this we're still appreciated as much as they used to be. This girl looks so beautiful

>>10280096
The bottom text is even better
It’s something like
Juniors Dominating Seniors
Or something

>>10280183
>>10279461
This is not that old so you can easily find it

>>10280079
You underestimate how far poor people would go for the amount of money a scalper gets for a rare AP dress

>>10280183
Juniors Dominating Seniors Aristocrat Vampire Romance

>>10280182
>AatP released a tapir print

The more you know

>>10280190
Engrish is such a beautiful language

>>10280187
they wouldn't make any money if we'd collectively ganged up on them. Like buying all their listings with fake accounts, shoving and pushing them out of queues, popular lolitas warning newbies about them etc. But we're too devided in that issue and it could escalate fast.

>>10280182
>print is cute but material and design is garbage
Every single time. Neo-Aatp, why?

>>10280212
I want this chiffon trend to end but I fear that it won't as long as pieces keep selling

You're handed 1,000,000 yen to build your dream wardrobe.

The only catch is that you have to spend the money on Lolita Fashion, doesn't matter if it's burando or indie or taobao or w/e, so you can't use the money to fly yourself to Japan to shop, or to attend tea parties, just to buy items online/in local physical stores (if you have any nearby).

What do you buy?

>>10279598
Because being owned by an old Chinese man is so luxurious...

>>10280010
>honey
What the fuck are you doing on this site.

>>10280210
>Like buying all their listings
How's that gonna help

>>10280248
Keep reading, finish the sentence anon. You can do it.

>>10280223
Less than 10k usd to build a dream wardrobe? I have a small collection and I think I’ve spent a good 10k already, and I’m not even half way to my goal wardrobe, I’d want at least 5 million yen imo

>>10280223
Make WTBs for my dream items with ridiculously high offers and call it a day. My wardrobe is already big enough on its own.

>>10280132
she's beautiful irl too, funny and wicked smart

>>10280223
I scour LM,facebook sales,mercari and fril,wunderwelt,... daily

>>10279525
Does anyone know where I can find the blue bonnet that goes with this OP?

>>10280182
Okay but that decor is cute in the background

>>10280204
This is still my dream shirt, I want it so bad

>>10280253
I did but I don't see how that would help. They're just going to cancel when it isn't paid and relist.

>>10280223
do what I've been doing, search + buy what I want online. Only difference is that I'd sometimes buy new from store instead of mostly secondhand

>>10280262
I just realised who she is and yeah, she's amazing. Total goals, both for lolita and as a person.

>>10280182
Omg I love it but it's too fancy for me to wear.. Maybe I'll get the skirt

>>10280223

Final WTB of items no bars hold on price. Doubt that I would shake most people of their prized dresses though.

>>10280306
On all platforms I know they would have to rewrite the whole item page, which can get annoying after the 20th time, just like having this many unsuccessful buyers.

>>10280306
And how many times before they get annoyed? You can't immediately relist, you normally wait for a buyer to respond.

>>10280409
I guess if they didn't know what they were doing. It's so easy to copy paste everything, there are even tools to auto fill every field so you can do it with one touch.

>>10280411
You can too immediately relist.

>>10280433
How would they know who’s buying their listing for funsies and who’s actually a buyer? Relisting immediately means potentially losing out on a sale if the purchase was legit.

>>10280331
I love the print but the headpiece is horrible

>>10280223
I feel like you think that’s more money than it actually is.

>>10280445
Professional resellers don't care about that. As long as they still have stuff to sell, they'll relist.
I work in online retial. I see this shit all the time.

>>10280445
They don’t care. They know someone will pay for it eventually.

>>10280457
>>10280460
That makes no sense considering you have no idea if the bidder will pay. And they'll be pissed you relisted the item they just bought.

>>10280474
Online retail anon here.
They just don't care. I literally watch people do exactly what I'm saying all the time and yes, buyers get mad about scalpers.

>>10280477
sorry, I should rephrase that to say
>buyers get mad about scalpers and resellers

>>10280474
It might not make sense but I’ve seen it happen enough to know that it’s common.

How's the fit on BTSSB's Dessert OPs? I really want one but I'm worried it wouldn't fit over my boobs (I'm a 95 cm bust). Its usually listed for around 90-92 cm bust but I've heard some people say it goes slightly bigger so I want to know if thats true and if it'll be worth it for me to purchase one or not.

>>10280524
Minimizer bra

>>10280524
My bust is 90cm and the lamé dot release was very loose around my torso.

>>10280524
I have one of the newer releases of the Dessert OP and a 100cm bust. It zips up with eas and plenty of room to spare, but there is a little bit of boobloaf. It's also hard to put a cardigan over to hide the loafing because of the sleeves.

>>10280545
On that note, what's a good brand for a minimizer bra? I'm not looking for the extremem compression of a binder before anyone recommends that.

>>10280566
Wacoal is the best, but if you’re looking for something a bit cheaper Bali has great ones too.

where the F is the spoopy page style???
>I want my dancing skeletons

>>10280457
>>10280460
>>10280433
Easy, then just set up a script or bot who buys their listing immediately everytime they try to list something. Maybe spam their mail inbox too. Professional reseller or not, at some point they will get annoyed and won't make any money if they just relist because they consider actual buyers as fake too.

>>10280223
>1,000,000 yen
my current wardrobe is worth about half of that (purchased secondhand) I'm not sure that's enough for a "dream" wardrobe

>>10280186
Thanks for giving me hope anon
Fril and mercari have a pretty good selection of MILK right ?

>>10280190
wait actually ?

>>10280730
>not getting the obvious Moitie joke
since you're new: please don't use the general for spoonfeeding when you can ask the stupid questions thread. Maybe, also, try searching brand tags for yourself?

>>10280477
No, you misunderstood. I'm talking about the buyer trying to actually buy. It's not like scalpers and resellers have multiples of this rare dress they are trying to sell. They only have one so relisting is rude when the buyer hasn't even been invoiced.

>>10280806
I think you’re the one not understanding. They literally don’t care about being rude. They don’t have manners. They don’t even really have feelings. They just want money and they could not care less about pissing off potential buyers because they only need one.

>>10280827
I guess, but if I was the buyer, I'd immediately leave negative feedback even if I was interested. I doubt that'd be good for their account.

Does anyone have any experience buying from Angelic Pretty’s Japanese site?

>>10280854
You add shit to your cart and buy it. That’s it.

I love the look of these Miho Matsuda shoes, but I'm turned off by the material being "enamel" and them made in China. I do a lot of walking, does anyone have any idea if they'd be durable as daily shoes?

I just want some cute shoes like this in real leather, FUCK

>>10280859
I think they'd be durable enough, but not for daily walking. the design of the enamel PU on top of the matte PU might be added durability.
try searching for leather goth boots and booties. Jeffrey Campbell, american duchess, fluevog & unif do leather, afaik
these MM boots look cute though, so I wouldn't hesitate to buy them if you like them

>>10280886
FYI Unif doesn't do leather

>>10280886
American Duchess has nothing remotely like it, stop shilling that ugly shit

>>10280886
Unfortunately, I'm more of a classic, so fluevog and Jeffrey Campbell don't do much for me. I just wear a lot of black and dark colours.

>>10280854
This belongs in the stupid questions thread

>>10280834
Retail anon again. Bad feedback doesn't stop them either.
Seriously. You can't stop people from doing shady shit online. As a buyer, you can stay sharp on how to avoid them.
Pretend buying their listings isn't going to do shit. Not buying is what really hurts them.

>>10280856
I think they mean that bug on the site where it won't let you add stuff to the shopping cart

>>10280924
You don’t get it. Pretend buying hurts their chances of actually selling things. How are they to sell anything if they continually relist? It’s not a matter of being rude, but efficiency. There are 4 scenarios:
>fake buyer buys, they wait and don’t get $
>fake buyer buys, they relist immediately and don’t get $
>real buyer buys, they relist immediately and don’t get $
>real buyer buys, they wait and get $
So they have to either wait- wasting precious time in the case where it’s just a fake buyer- or relist immediately- meaning saving time but for sure not getting a sale.

>>10280958
While there’s a chance the buyer might see the new listing, the truth is most buyers aren’t going to be looking for listings of something they just bought, so the chances of this hurting them are slim.

>>10280958
>You don’t get it
But I do because I work directly with resellers.

>fake buyer buys
>seller asks for money
>no money
>seller moves on and sells to someone who has money

It happens all the time too. If it didn't, there wouldn't be middle aged men wearing dresses over their normie clothes. They do it because it works.

>wasting precious time
Do you understand that resellers list on every platform. If someone doesn't buy on lacemarket, they can just sell to someone on Poshmark, Depop, or ebay instead.

I had this buyer ask about some socks I was selling. Made me feel pretty fuzzy, since I came from a low income home my parents couldnt afford burando even if they wanted to. Seeing a parent willing to buy their kid lolita, esp AP to start off their wardrobe.. feels pretty nice. I just hope the girl isn't a spoiled brat.

>>10281076
The scalpers I know on lacemarket don't use those platforms. Maybe it's time you make an account there though.

>>10279311
I’d propose the following scheme: giving out special membership cards in stores when buying stuff say over 20k yen at normal times. A general rule would be giving cards to those really in fashion, ie wearing a full lolita outfit. Then at the major events like that let participate only if a customer holds the special membership card.

>>10281138
I will bet you my brand that she’s a spoiled brat

What are the hip measurements of AatP pants (like, long pants, not the poofy shorts) usually like? They only list waist on their official site and on lolibrary. I'm comfortably under that measurement but my hips are somewhat wide and their cuts look very narrow.

any speculation on what the fairy mirage print is going to set people back?

Lief Winter Lady 2019.
I’m glad I didn’t reserve this, it’s nowhere near as nice as I had expected from the promo pictures or last years release. At least it’s 100% cotton.

>>10281177
Care to elaborate?

>>10281179
I really want this as a JSK.

>>10281164
But Scalpers could get those cards.

I think the sales platforms should step up. You see it with ticket scalpers too, some sales platforms made a rule you can only sell your concert ticket for the original price or less.

Do you think the re-rerelease will be sell out just like the rerelease ?

>>10281140
I work with resellers who don't sell lolita. But all resellers work the same and there is a reason they're professional at it.
Good luck getting your fake account group together.

You just seem naive.

>>10281192
Retail anon here, I think this is the only way. It's all about quality control.

>>10281193
will be quickly sold out*

> But Scalpers could get those cards.

How? I highly doubt that many in fashion will agree to share them. Cards could also be personal and non-guaranteed, so if staff has any suspicions they would not grant it. (like sorry we ran out of them) I only see one flaw - some true lolita can turn out to be a scalper, but then again you can’t prevent it and it’s still better to cut down scalpers en masse (especially ones unrelated to fashion).

> I think the sales platforms should step up. You see it with ticket scalpers too, some sales platforms made a rule you can only sell your concert ticket for the original price or less
>>10281196
This won’t work. Big platforms like Yahoo and Rakuten won’t give shit.

>>10281195
Lacemarket isn't a normal auction site. It's a lot slower, but keep saying it wouldn't work to discourage anon.

>>10281196
>Retail anon here
I don't give a shit

>>10281213
Nayrt but my country has a website called ticketswap that only allows you to make a 10% profit max. People have practically stopped using big platforms to buy tickets now and only buy from there because guess what, it's much more affordable. (also convenient because they message you when someone puts up a ticket you're looking for. How nice would it be if lacemarket sends you messages about your wishlist items?)

>>10281295
Lacemarket already does this if you have a saved search term. You can get emails daily if anything is listed or relisted with desired search terms like "usakumya", etc. It is a little slow or at the same time every day so it could be bought before you check but it has helped me with searching for dream items.

>>10281315
It also tells you how many times the items have been relisted, which sometimes is the best part.

>>10281320
An overpriced skirt in a tag I'm watching got relisted 150+ times.
You'd think the seller would get a clue by then.

>>10281323
I'm in the same boat where I hope more sellers realize no one will fucking buy that overpriced shit.

I always drop my listing prices pretty quickly if no one's interested after a few days because I'd rather sell things within a week or so and not have them sitting around going unworn.

>>10281214
I don't work for an auction site. And I know it isn't, I use LM.

I'm not just trying to discourage this. I'm trying to help anon not waste their time cause I know how resellers function because it is my fucking job to know how they work.

Just look at >>10281323

>>10281394
Why are you using the fact that a skirt got relisted 150 times as a success story?

>>10281193
Yep. Moitiefags don't play around.

>>10281397
Don't you get it? Anon "works in retail" and just wants to help us by telling us how resellers and scalpers are too powerful and totally don't care no matter what we do, so shouldn't even try!!!! (pls)

>>10281394
anon thats not the reseller being savvy thats the reseller being too stubborn to drop the price, nobodys gonna buy that shit

>>10281193
Yes, there were loads of people who missed out on the first release who were begging moitie to do a second round. I'm sure people are also to get a second one in another colourway too.

>>10281424
Why it gotta come out when I'm poor tho

>>10281424
This. I allready have black x blue so I’m trying to decide which color to go for this time around.

>>10281397
Because they don't actually use LM and they think something being "relisted" means it sold 150 times I guess

Has anyone else been locked out of their Mercari JP account? I had one to favourite items that I was considering buying and now when I try to login it says "Usage outside of the country is forbidden". Even using a VPN it doesn't work. I'm more than a little annoyed about my favourites!

>>10281462
Adding a forwarding address to your account gets you an automatic ban the next time you log in.

>>10281456
No they’re saying they don’t care how many times scalpers have to relist so fake buying the auctions won’t matter to them. They dgaf and will just relist it until someone buys it
But I see a big difference between gemgem delisting the same fugly shoes and Chinese scalpers swarming AP releases and immediately reselling the dresses for $800. If I don’t want to buy from a LM reseller Like gemgem, she only has one of the item and I can find it somewhere else. The Chinese scalpers will buy up literally all the stock available that they’re allowed to and if you want that dress at all you gotta fork out $800 so it’s bullshit. I dunno, I guess to me it’s about degrees

>>10281524
Yes. I found this out the hard way when I added a forwarding address one time I was going to be outside of Japan for about a month. I even emailed their customer support when I returned and apologised that I didn’t know the rule and I was back in the country now and had changed the address back to my home address. Their reply was a big fuck you in keigo

>>10279227
Is there a repost of this on Youku, YouTube or any other video streaming site? I can't access Weibo.

>>10281536
>>10281524
I didn't add any addresses or anything... Never made any purchases or comments, it was strictly for my favourites, so it's a bit weird I guess.

>>10279227
Can anyone actually give a loose translation of what's being said? I don't understand what's going on.

Update about the Angelic Pretty x BT21 collab:

We still don't know what the 7 dresses are going to look like, other than they're op's, come in a set and are gingham, but they cost ¥34,800 ($320) and will be released in December. You can simply order them online and ship internationally, so there's no need for a shopping service

Link: https://global.box-popup.jp/collections/brand-angelic-pretty

>>10281164
Agree on this point
>>10281192
Yeah, but if some limited item is being sold 1 piece per card ID they won’t be able to grab the whole stock all together. It only bothers me how shopping services are going to function since all the effort against scalpers is gonna hit them alongside with all the people who’s ordering this way.

Baby’s releasing Usakumya/Kumakumya head band. At first when I saw it at fashion show I thought it’s some custom made show piece, but they’re actually doing it. What do you guys think?

>>10281574
Dat thing, yall

>>10281574
>>10281575
This is actually very cute, but I should admit I got no balls going out with a bunny head in my hair.

>>10281574
>>10281575
Too childish for me but very cute!

>>10281575
Reminds me of hats on Ragnarok Online, very cute.

>>10281574
>>10281575
Okay, I can’t help but this reminds me brain slug, but this is rather lolita one that obeys to buy more brand.

>>10281618
AP is going to release the other Christmas dress from their fashion show. Who's going to get it?

>>10281456
>>10281419
God you're both so fucking stupid.

You talk a big game so go do it then. Go make a bunch of accounts and buy all the listings.

>>10279227
Video description
>今日ap三周年 …群里看到的,有一说一,两边肯定都有过错,不然也不能吵起来了,但是活动出了问题还是应该ap负责人来负责解决,损失最大的是外地跑过来排了几个小时的妹子和那个玻璃自爆受伤的妹子才对

Today AP [store in Shangahi] turns three...The people in the group, by speaking their true thoughts, only shows that both sides must have had some fault, otherwise they wouldn't have quarelled. But the solution to the problem with the activity that had emerged should still be the responsibility of the AP person in-charge. In the end, the people with the greatest losses are those that rushed over from overseas and queued for several hours and the girl that was injured by the self-destrcuting glass.

For what it's worth, the comments are mostly condemning the girl in white HL, calling her immature and rude, but also fat and ugly.

From the comments
>My mum missed work to go to the shop, because I am studying overseas and it was unrealistic for me to go. My parents did so because they really dote on me. Also this situation has a precursor, it's because the glass broke and the police came that the shop staff in white HL said, "It's only your kind of people that come and queue" and then proceeded to use insulting language to attack my mother.

is it just me or have secondhand AP jewelry prices skyrocketed on mercari?

>>10279227
Video description
>今日ap三周年 …群里看到的,有一说一,两边肯定都有过错,不然也不能吵起来了,但是活动出了问题还是应该ap负责人来负责解决,损失最大的是外地跑过来排了几个小时的妹子和那个玻璃自爆受伤的妹子才对

Today AP [store in Shangahi] turns three...The people in the group, by speaking their true thoughts, only shows that both sides must have had some fault, otherwise they wouldn't have quarreled. But when the problem with the activity emerged, the solution should still be the responsibility of the AP person in-charge. In the end, the people with the greatest losses are those that rushed over from overseas and queued for several hours and the girl that was injured by the self-destructing glass.

For what it's worth, the comments are mostly condemning the girl in white HL, calling her immature and rude, but also fat and ugly.

From the comments
>My mum missed work to go to the shop, because I am studying overseas and it was unrealistic for me to go. My parents did so because they really dote on me. Also this situation has a precursor, it's because the glass broke and the police came that the shop staff in white HL said, "It's only your kind of people that come and queue" and then proceeded to use insulting language to attack my mother.

>>10281554
Voice off-screen (politely): Who are you? (but more like 'what's your position in this matter?' kind of way)
Shrill voice off-screen: How can you do it like this?! How can you do it like this?!
Girl in white HL: Stand still! Stand still! Stand still!
Spectacled guy: How about this? What're you going to do if I step over? So what if I step over?!
Some other person: Hey, don't get so agitated now.
One of the other shop girls (I think): Don't step there!
[crowd rustles]
Girl in white HL: I'm watching you! You stand still! Stand still!
Voice in the back: Stop arguing.
Angry guy in the back: How can you film us? Respect the law!
Spectacled lady: She's videoing us! (Something) She wants to push the responsibility to us! (Hard to make out what she's saying, but I think she's talking about the glass breaking not being the crowd's fault, and wants someone to take responsibility for them being held up?)
Crowd: Yes! That's right! etc
[One of the shopping mall staff(?) tries to negotiate something with the spectacled guy and the girl in pink HL]
Girl in pink HL: I am calling them, I am calling them.
Spectacled guy: You should ask her[girl in white HL] to quickly keep her phone. Huh. What a immature child, really!
Girl in white HL: What do you mean 'immature'?!
Spectacled guy: How did your parents raise you! Really!
Girl in white HL: You're even more immature than me!
Spectacled guy: Really, how did your parents raise you?
Someone, presumably the girl in pink HL: First, keep your phone.
Voices in the crowd: Yes! That was going too overboard!
[one guy gets out of the line]
Mall staff: Eh eh, please go back there.
Voices in the crowd: How can she [girl in white HL] be so ignorant?
(I have no idea what the mall staff is saying)

>>10281631
Wait there's more in the chain of comments

OP (of the comment, not the video):
>My dad initially even tried to persuade [someone, assuming the mum] not to quarrel. It was only this shop staff's extreme speech that angered my dad, and then the events captured in the video happened. Try asking people if they had spent the morning agonizingly queuing, then not only the activity was cancelled, but they were repeatedly insulted? What do you guys think? After watching my mum and dad's situation, I felt like swearing as well.

(A reply to OP's comment)
>I can bear witness [to OP's claims]! Auntie (polite way of addressing someone's else's mother) came very very early in the morning. She was wearing 15 (2015?) Red Strawberry, really cute! She even wore makeup! Uncle and Auntie [OP's parents?] said their daughter was studying in Japan! Shanghai girl's daughter must have really liked the Shanghai Doll OP for her to come and queue! It's all the little fairy's (translating literally here, I'm not sure who she is referring to, presumably the staff) attitude that was really bad!

OP:
>In the video, my mum is dressed that way because she had already changed out [of lolita]. I believe, if only the girls (she's using a polite form, literally calling them maidens) at the scene saw my mum was wearing AP earlier, that she respected the regulations on clothes. Everyone, before debating, please understand the entire situation, and not jump to conclusions.

Another commenter:
>To my sisters (as in, fellow lolitas), I even asked uncle and uncle said that his daughter said, "Shanghai people must wear Shanghai Doll". Because of this, he came to buy the dress for his daughter. I'm really jealous! When I tried to explain at that time, no one would listen.

>>10281566
There are usually buying limits during new releases, so scalpers bring groups of people. I’ve even seen some obviously homeless standing in line for cash

>>10281629
Idk, accessories have always been the hardest thing to buy. They either too expensive or blown away faster than you can mail your shopping service.

>>10281193
I guess the answer is no. The release wasn’t available at the time they said but it still is in stock now so it isn’t a blood bath. Tbh it seems like extra stick from the Awa pickup thing they did so I don’t think it’s a ton of stock

>>10281644
Thanks for your input! I managed to snatch one (yay) so I'm glad it wasn't a bloodbath.

>>10280223
People and roleplayers really taking this rhetorical question as a chance to flex their worth is really just embarrassing. If someones handing me 20 bucks for free, i'm taking it, no complaints. I'm an old school lolita so i'd spend it all on mercari.

>>10281638
So her uncle wanted to wear an AP dress and come there because he loves his niece so much? If I believed that story I would find it creepy.

>>10281690
Uncle is one polite way of calling someone else's dad, anon. I don't know about you, but, even though my parents don't buy me dresses or anything else, they do encourage and support me when I'm wishlisting something or wearing it.

>>10281693

But it could still be a scalper pretending to be buying AP for their "niece". Most Chinese with money would likely just use an SS I would think just like wealthy or non/poor westerners and Japanese do when they can't physically get to a store right?

>>10281712
Sorry "daughter"; even if this couple was legit it is possible any man in the line who really is just a scalper could lie and make up a similar story.

>>10281713
>>10281712
Ah, yes, it's also possible. I actually thought you were disgusted by the idea of parents buying a dress for their daughter. But you're right, I'd be suspicious of any guy in line, even if they were actually fathers / uncles.

>>10281716

I'm not the original anon but I get why they would also be suspicious. It is frustrating that regular people get screwed over by money hungry scalpers.

Also gulls Dream Bear goes up on AP USA in about 20 mins; who's gonna grab it? Did anyone get it during the Japan release?

I'm disappointed by the pink colorway but might get a red one.

>>10281718
I just got the red jsk !!!

>>10281629
Yes they have.

>>10281629
secondhand AP in general has skyrocketed from dumbfucks telling everyone + their grandmothers about japanese secondhand. Idiots, you reap what you sow and now we have to suffer because of it

>>10279216
Chinese are so fucking nuts in stores dude

secrets

>>10279311
Stop paying so much for new releases so they make less money. Be less materialistic, support your local indi brands, and sew your own lolita.

>>10281838
agreed..

>>10281629
>>10281838
Cheap stuff is out of reach for westerners anyways because it goes sold out within seconds way before one able to mail ss.

>>10282003
that is the point.
it used to be cheaper and sell much slower.

>>10282017
Why mana why

>>10282017
Well I guess it's not as bad as the cloche hat with lace stuck on it

>>10282003
Yeah, NOW it's like that. 5 years ago, it wasn't.

>>10281838
Keep crying poorfag

>>10282037
Oh dog that faggot is still alive?

>>10281838
>>10282025
>>10282051
I will forever be salty about it. I will never stop being salty about it. When I lay 5 feet underground burried in my closet I will be salty about it. When I wait at the gates to whatever and god asks how I'm feeling today I will be answering "Salty". And when he asks why I'm going to explain it's 100% cgl spoonfeeders fault. I warned them but they wouldn't listen and then fb and tumblr cought up with it, reposted their "finds" with even more lazy people asking to get spoonfed and they started writing help posts like idiots. I still remember comfily watching a 20000 yen HD set for 2 weeks before I bought it. Same for any moitie or oldschool. Fuck you all. reeeeeee

>>10282003
>before one able to mail ss.
Anon I can guarantee you, 80% of times it's just a faster SS. If you have the mercari app, looking at feedbacks really opens your eyes to how much (especially cheap) brand goes overseas compared to lolitas within japan. It's a miracle japanese lolitas aren't annoyed by it yet.

>>10282083
Sharing is actually a nice thing people do to support the community.

>>10282083
I do share popular pieces that I find but don't want or somehow can't buy. I guess that's nice thing to do.

>>10282088
Yes and so do others, with pieces you do want and can buy. Your niceness boils down to "I don't want it so I don't care".

>>10282083
>imagine being such a shitty human you hate that other people can buy lolita now
AP is just more popular now, a lot of lolitas are only buying AP and taobao while ignoring the other brands that you can still easily buy before it sells out.

>>10282085
They are. They've apparently mostly switched to another site, though people who know which one it is aren't sharing that info with the rest of us.

>>10282096
>why yes, of course I love checking mercari and fril every 10 minutes in my working or sleeping hours like a heroin addict and paying hundreds of dollars more for the things I like
Anon pls. Being salty about heavily increased competition doesn't make me a shitty human, you don't even know me. And I didn't say I hate that other people can buy lolita? You're just oversimplifying things for the sake of strawmanning.

>while ignoring the other brands that you can still easily buy before it sells out.
Yeah aatp maybe lmao.

>>10282102
It makes you shitty that you wanted to keep mercari and fril a secret from other lolitas. If you believe that was ever actually possible, it also makes you delusional.
>aatp maybe lmao
I see you're one of those who only cares about AP and taobao

>>10282083
>>10282098
Anon it's really easy to find Japanese secondhand lolita sales without knowing the urls, just use the right search terms in Japanese. Most people didn't need to read any help guides to find those websites. The only place I can't buy from yet is line groups.

>>10282103
Yes because no other lolita second hand websites existed before mercari and fril. Those poor poor other lolitas who can't think with their own braincell would have missed out, the horror.
Again, I didn't want to keep it a secret from other lolitas, I'm criticizing the spoonfeding that led to oversaturation.
>If you believe that was ever actually possible
I usually hate to be that person but you sound pretty new. For the past two decades there have been plenty of websites that have been under the radar of the average lolita who didn't bother enough to do research and there are still very few today.

>I see you're one of those who only cares about AP and taobao
I see you didn't read my post.

>>10282106
mercari and fril used to not show up on google

>>10282093
How many people actually give away their dream dresses they are capable to buy right away?

>>10282106
Nayrt but ok, so what is the site? Because it can't be mercari or fril and Google isn't giving me anything else. Otamart is bleak too

>>10282116
it’s strange to see how much the fashion has become popular and the ability to buy it has become so easy.
oh how time flies.

>>10282113
You mean when they didn't exist? I use a different search engine so I wouldn't know

>>10282116
I don't think there's a new secret website that somehow can only be found if you already know the url. The Japanese lolitas who got too annoyed with selling on the usual places just use chat groups and twitter.

You guys should be focusing on Chinese secondhand sites

>>10282128
I've been scammed twice on xianyu and I wasn't even going the the obviously stupid listings. One scammer even sent my SS proof pics...

>>10282128
Isn't there only xianyu? It's pretty difficult to access and buy from

>>10282128
i don't have guts to buy from xianyu

>>10282128
Xianyu is apparently unreliable, my cousins have looked for several dresses for me but on different sites (dunno which though)

>>10282132
You think China, such a huge country and where lolita is so popular, has less secondhand sites than Western lolitas? Idk because I don't buy much secondhand lolita but I think that would be weird.

Speaking of China, these sets are extremely cute. Sad I don't have a partner to match with.

>>10282121
No, around 2013. Don't be dense.

>>10282136
I mean idk but that's the only one I've ever heard of. It is pretty weird I guess.

I don't remember where but someone asked to see a picture of this apron with a different main-piece

>>10282138
Hate the cuts and colour of the print (blackxwhite isn't my thing) but God damn this tapirs are everything

h.Naoto is looking for models in Paris and Frankfurt

>>10280914
Redpill me on American Duchess, what's wrong with it?

>>10282169
wondering if real models or just random people

>>10282199
If they were looking for real models they would contact an agency instead of ask their instagram followers

>>10282196
I'm triggered by your incel language

>>10282148
Well that's because its China and they try really hard to keep everything hush hush over there.

>>10282083
Yea. That meme shitpostin you just did really speaks volumes about your entitled poor ass.

Keep crying bitch. Sorry you can't afford a luxury hobby anymore.

>>10282017
Who tf even wears real fur in this day and age? They look ugly af too

>>10282228
Asian people love wearing real fur, there's not a big controversy about it there.

>>10282230
Lol this ignorant generalised statement.. Anyway their Facebook is obviously aimed at English speaking lolita, not Japanese lolitas.

>>10282224
>That meme shitpostin you just did really speaks volumes about you
>she said while squeezing as much meme insults into her post as possible
I can still afford it, I'm not sure why you're so upset about my rant. But all the money in the world doesn't help if there's 20 people looking at the item before I can instead of just one at best.

>>10282253
There were zero memes in my post.
If you could afford it then you'd be able to buy before others could.
You're upset because other people can afford to buy whenever they can and obviously you don't have the funds to do so, otherwise you wouldn't be all over this thread crying about it like the little weak bitch you are.

Good riddance. I'm glad you can't get anymore dresses. Boohooo.

>>10282017
Rip my desire to own anything Moitie

>>10282275
Moitie has been using fur and leather for years so I'm not sure why you're only cancelling them now.

>>10282273
Lol the fuck? What is your problem? Do you even read what you're replying to or do you just want to sperg about poorfags again? You sound exactly like the anon who sperged about EU anons commiting crimes for marking down their parcels.
>If you could afford it then you'd be able to buy before others could.
So you don't work or sleep, understood.

>>10282253
>there's 20 people looking at the item
People might go window shopping or just be waiting for a discount. I'm not disagree on your point tho, I didn't happened to discover those platforms before so I can't tell. It's pretty annoying to miss on things and keep on stand by mode, but people eventually get bored with their things and those pop on sale again. Sometimes it might be even cheaper because, for example, cherry print can't stay so expensive when brands release them every summer.

>>10279227
>shop staff are all itas
>that fucking pig in white hl
Yikes. AP opening a store in China was a mistake.

>>10282304
If scalpers continue to be this bad they’re going to have to start randomly stocking releases to avoid stampedes

>>10280223
My dream dresses are not for sale at the moment, or else I would've bought them already. I would use the money to buy them whenever they show up, since you didn't specify any timeframe.

So, Uh... Where do the Korean lolitas sell their secondhand then?

>>10282083
i love you haha

>>10282218
Thanks, tumblr-chan

>>10282235
>Anyway their Facebook is obviously aimed at English speaking lolita, not Japanese lolitas.
I can't believe someone actually typed this sentence out and thought it was a statement that had any merit whatsoever

>>10282347
Japanese don't use Facebook

>>10282349
No shit. That's the point. Are you daft?

>>10282351
Jeez I'm not that anon. Are you the one who's been shitting up the thread today with bitterness? Calm down and breathe.

>>10282228
Real fur is better than fake plastic shit that will never break down and fill the earth with micro plastics
But whaaaaa my bwunny wabbits

>>10282285
I don’t think it’s cancelling so much as Moitie putting out ugly nonsense

>>10282285
Nayrt but are people not allowed to discover old things about brands? I guess you know everything so it’s different for you.

>>10282347
Did you not read the comment it was replying to?

>>10282370
“Old things” look the bat bag came in a leather option and sold well. It isn’t old.

It’s well known that real is better than fake, the fake animal stuff is cheap plastic.

>>10282235
Maybe I should be more clear: China most definitely doesn't have any problem with real fur (fact, not generalization) and considering what a huge part of the lolita market they make up, this release isn't going to cause any drama on their side.

>>10282304
You mean they're "ita" by your western standards? Sure. Western standards don't even match the Japanese ones (see: animal ears) so why should anyone care about your definition?

>>10282358
Lmao no, I post very infrequently. Maybe it's a full moon and the sea salt has risen

>>10282379
The image that was posted is from Facebook. They are promoting bunny fur on facebook and that's what people are commenting on, not China.

>>10282372
I did, did you?

New bread >>10282395

>>10282391
The comment was "who even wears fur anymore?"

And the answer is thousands of people.

>>10282377
Agreed. Like they have leather cows anyway.

>>10282196
The toe box is shaped wrong for virtually all lolita. VM classic is about the only thing you can wear that shape with, it clashes hard with IW's aesthetic and is unflattering to MM compared cute round toe jane marple shoes

>>10282335
Haenuli sold her personal secondhand on LM

>>10282196
They make larpwear and it's kind of ugly IMO. The only shoes I've liked from them are those strappy button boots.

>>10282199
Probably they want someone who models a bit but is also interested in alt fashion and their brand - probably hard to find that through agency.

>>10282427
As someone who used to larp, I wouldn't trust their shoes outdoors. They're more for historical reenactment and even there more on the "fancy ball" side. Not much good for running around in the muddy woods.

>>10282408
Leather and fur are completely different moral issues to most people though.

>>10282419
That's because the Koreans won't buy from her due to past drama

>>10279064
Is it possible to buy any brand item for less than £200?

>>10282622
Yes, many? Try the stupid questions thread

>>10281575
Fuck, just when I decided to try and save more money. Why??????

>>10282362
Hard agree. The same people who won’t fur will eat meat and wear plastic clothes that destroy ecosystems

>>10280223
lol chink money

>>10282552
Wait, what?

>>10283202
She was known as a scalper in her comm, I heard she even got kicked out for selling brand to foreigners that she got for cheap from her comm members with huge mark-ups but I'm not sure if that's true.

>>10282622
I'm assuming you mean new? for jsks/ops, no. For skirts, maybe. For other accessories, definitely.

>>10279596
Just speaking of the Chinese people I personally know, they definitely don't like the idea of buying anything used

>>10280223
I'd buy a ton of AP dresses. If I could afford brand, I'd only wear AP anyway.