/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

happy 2020, let's please update the OP. are there any resources at all for ouji anymore?

meanwhile, here is a guide to "boyish kei" or masculine versions of wa-style fashions, for inspiration in your wa ouji coords.

>roman style

>>10318534
>casual

the hoodie is not recommended for ouji, but top right and lower left can be good templates

>>10318535
>chic

AatP is having a "Lucky Prince" sale through the 26th, with discounts for oujj tems

Mana-sama returns with Moitie to the western hemisphere in April!

>>10318532
Yeah wondering the same thing.
Most the links and such don't have anything ouji related attached to then anymore or they're old af. Any new resources out there??

>>10319888
Let's dump the buttcape stuff

>>10319899
Like some of BC's stuff is still good but a lot of the links there are dead. I know she's working on a new ouji guide lines or whatever but hasn't given any indication of when that'll be coming.
I know Gravelet/ lou graves did a YouTube video recently on his ideas of ouji but it's very short and doesn't go into much detail but he did mention he's going to be bringing out other videos on the topic soon.

>>10319888
i checked the 2 shopping lists and they seem mostly to work but i will check again. if we cannot edit one maybe it is time to create a new spreadsheet or pastebin.

there is no excuse for ouji releases without prints when you can do this to a regular shirt collar

if you are into high fashion, Luis Vuitton's 2020 FW collection has some frilly oujiable looks, as well as Salaryman Misty Sky: https://kendam.com/photos/album/dvbxndyqezdb

>>10322848
I really wish prints were more a thing in Ouji I get jealous of lolitas for this

>>10323975
there's a lot of inspo to be had but no one has the bank for that, just wish brands would steal some of those ideas

>>10322848
Sauce?

Someone please buy this shit, or i'll have to:

Atelier Boz Wine Roland: https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p739020979

h.t.maniac tailcoat: https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/j555182556

h.Naoto STEAM Napoleon Jacket: https://item.mercari.com/jp/m53657958885

>>10324452
Ah, the Roland is from the seller I just bought a cloak and blouse from. The Roland is gorgeous, well worth snapping up.

>>10324047
same

part of what is cool about ouji is it is better than regular menswear. when it just repeats the same boring things, it is disappointing.

>>10324452
that tailcoat is fucking gorgeous

>>10324484
Yeah I wish more brands made fun printed ouji stuff. Heck even use some classic floral prints, make me look like my grandmas sofa

>>10324594
i think ouji has too much fun with gold trim and awkward hats and not enough variance in materials. boz use to do nice cotton, velvet, corduroy and embroidered rolands and idk why we cant use more couch upholstery in other items as an alternative to solid black or whatever

I'm a lolita in the process of switching to primarily ouji. Out of curiosity, I'd love to know what people love most about ouji.

>>10324979
I like how happy it makes the lolitas at events. Oujis are rarer than lolitas, and oujis who actually dress okay are rarer still, so lolitas get really happy when you show up in a half-decent coord.

Out of curiosity, what's your lolita style like? I wear punk and oldschool lolita, but my ouji stuff is more goth.

>>10325007
I wore mostly toned down sweet in blacks or lavender. Lots of crosses. I want to call it sweet mixed with a little bit of gothic but I don't want my ass handed to me by someone here.

I moved into wearing sex pot revenge since I was getting a little tired of lolita and i was the person a thread or two back who asked for punk ouji inspo. I think I just want to make the dive fully now although I'm scared i'm not going to be able to look decent.

>>10324979
I like fancy frilly menswear, the things I love most in ouji are shirts with lots of lace at the sleeve-ends and the patterned o/utks

>>10325024
make sure the clothes fit you. that is the most important thing. no stretching or bunching, if you can help it.

>>10324979
I love its plays on classic mens clothing. I hope in the future more brands will come froward and use more of that as inspiration! I also find most modern day mens clothes so damn boring

I started wearing casually a somewhat ouji look weekly some months ago around friends/school/family and only got positive feedbacks so far, though I think I could really use some concrit from actual lolitas since I still fell like a larping normie wearing more historical than japanese fashion, but I know none irl or online.
Is there a good place to dump a few pictures and get some crit, possibly more extended advice about hair/makeup ? Maybe an ouji dedicated discord would be nice if that exists. Otherwise I might try BSoLF, or even CoF if i can get a few good pictures.
I could also post here if /ouG/ can bear my shitty bathroom selfies, but I'm a bit wary of selfposting on 4chan.

>>10327585
I don't think selfposting is as harmful or whatever as people think, but this early in a thread it will be up here, up top for months with how slow this topic is. Something to consider. I don't think any ouji specific discord exists, but from other lolita discords it doesn't look like it would be very active

>>10327585
I suggest just messaging a popular ouji on facebook and asking for advice.

>>10327585
>ouji dedicated discord
I would love something like that honestly but I agree with >>10327637 it probably wouldn't be super active

>>10327637
I don't really see it as harmful, I just care a lot about my privacy, I've got pretty much 0 presence online. I'll post here anyway by linking to somewhere else to delete it easily in a week or so.

>>10327691
I wanted to do that, but I thought it might be a bit weird and intrusive to just ask someone I don't know about fashion advice. I'll send some dm on insta.

Here's an imgur link: / a / S0EEPlp if anyone wants to take a look.
Sorry for the quality, I'll try to enroll a friend to take a nicer full body pic if I find the time. I could use any general advice, but the main thing that bothers me is the lack of hair accessory. I don't find hats practical, so maybe a small bow/ribbon ? Though I feel like my hair could have enough volume to not need any. That's also pretty much my out of bed hair, so any styling suggestion is welcome.
Also I've never tried makeup, but it doesn't seem that mandatory for ouji compared to lolita. Some eyeliner and concealer wouldn't hurt I guess ?

tote: 8000 yen
getting Moitie that can work with ouji: priceless

>>10327884
You look great anon. Imo no makeup needed and I'm boring but your hair looks good as it is, styling tips would be hairstyles like link below and then bow/flower clips to your taste. I recommend IW bow clips. Personal taste nitpick: I think that knitted socks look better than tights-material for boystyle, it's more masculine, but it does exclude a lot of cool prints.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GWbeEcpzk

Sometimes I just feel like I’m wearing a suit with a cravat and weird shoes

>>10328303
Bigger cravats and weirder shoes is the solution

>>10328303
do your hair real nice and try knee-length breeches with cheeky socks

>>10328026
Thanks for the feedbacks ! I'll take a look at IW, I really like what they do but never considered them when looking for stuff to wear myself. And I see what you mean about socks, that's what I'll wear when I want to tone it down a bit, but I really love the print. I'll try to look for printed socks if that exists.
And Bernadette Banner is so lovely, I'll try a similar hairstyle when I'll reach my goal hair length, halfway there.

I hope this isn't a terribly bad request, but are there any black oujis people can recommend? I'm struggling to figure out what to do with my hair which although straightened is still a thicker texture then some of the styles I tried out (and failed) this weekend.

>>10328559
here are some from instagram

>@antisocial_unipenguin

>>10330022
@potato0prince

>>10330025
@milkcircus

sorry that these may not fit your criteria exactly. i hope they can be a place to start.

>>10328559
Are you opposed to wigs?

>>10327884
Top 3/4 looks very good, but it's always the bottom quarter that's hard to tell without full body. I always find coords fall apart below the knee, where it's awkward to balance the heavy upper body with slender tights/shoes


>>10328559
There were a handful of really great ones dumped awhile back, hopefully someone has them

>>10330068
I'd rather not only because I think they make the outfit less an outfit and more a costume.

>>10330036
@may.s.ouji

>>10330236
@frochan

>>10330243
@n.ouji

>>10330249
@dusklordconstantine

>>10330253
@cursed.kaiser

>>10330187
I really respect that. I don't wear them either and that's a good reason for me not to start.

While we're on the topic of hair: I personally think ouji looks best with short hair, but I don't want to cut off or hide my long hair with wigs (at least, not yet). Are there any hairstyles that you all could recommend that aren't too feminine looking? (I once saw an ouji with twintails, for example, and it really didn't fit the ouji aesthetic.) It's hard because I hate buns but they're the among the only hairstyles I can think of that keep the hair short and tight.

>>10330811
maybe twin buns would be cuter than one bun?

>>10330811
Elegant curled ponytails can look nice, particularly if you have fringe or bangs that frame your face. Or hair loose, but with volume/intentionally styled. Think Rose of Versailles/historical fiction hair vibes.

>>10330811
be fully Little Lord Fauntleroy with ringlets

>>10330886
embrace your destiny

>>10330890
combine ringlets with a ponytail and become a ringtail

>>10330894
that's a braid. dammit, greg

AatP, what the fuck

>>10331653
Nah, that's cute. I wanna see an oshare vkei vocalist wear it, like that guy from Yumeleep.

Haru is an ouji character that you can date in CoCoPPaPlay's dating sim side game. he is the first fictional character i have seen that explicitly names his style as ouji kei. CCP Play is a modern fashion game, so unlike other characters in media that are sometimes seen as ouji style icons, Haru is not a "historic" character. he is just like the lolita character in the game (Momo) or the goth or rock-style characters: he is committed to his fashion style, and it's obviously based on IRL ouji.

>>10333574
is this the first ouji character to be explicitly identified with "ouji kei" in a fashion context? historical or fantasy characters do not count. i am wondering if CCP play may be the first media to have an ouji as a character.

>>10331653
This would make a cute comfy coord for sure

>>10333575
>>10333574
lmao he's not ouji like as in lolita ouji his personality archetype is "prince". the "prince" clothes he likes aren't ouji lolita, he's like a host "prince" or Disney prince.

>>10333574
>>10333575
What kind of autism is this?

>>10333574
>>10333575
As others said, this isn't ouji lolita at all. The guy characters in that game are all just varieties of different visual male idols/boy bands. The other two are just a boy band and VK guy respectively.

It's extremely fucking weird that you'd pinpoint this as a representation of ouji in the game especially since most of the gacha have real ouji outfits in them that are literally called "boy style"

>>10331653
would be cute for a clown look

>>10334169
>clown
*pierrot

Does anyone have any nice example of old school ouji?

>>10333574
echoing others, i think this is in a different context. this brings me back to tinierme though, killed a little piece of my heart

>>10330022
based

https://babyssb.shop/category/select/cid/353/pid/11046

AatP has wicked socks for gothic oujis

>>10335269
contemporary or scans from way back?

>>10335615
a lot of old street snaps of ouji or proto-ouji involve thrifting or using brands like Christopher Nemeth or Vivienne Westwood to create a "prince" look, often to complement a lolita partner.

old-school brand ouji in magazines tended to have a more limited color range but a more cohesive coord

>>10335621

>>10335623
i am alternating street snaps with editorial photoshoots/brand adverts

>>10335624
bloomers were often worn as shorts due to limited options

>>10335629

>>10335630

>>10335634
punk influence was also ubiquitous. this is a punkish brand and the GLB presents the coord in the top left as an ouji coord, with the insert showcasing a nonouji street coord.

>>10335638
classic (top) and punk (bottom right) ouji

>>10335642
trends include straightened hair, thin brows, chunky shoes for any substyle, and similar material types to old school lolita. tying a necktie into a bowtie was pretty common, as were horizontally striped socks

>>10335643
(the above pic has been used to define "aristocrat" in the past, but it clearly says it is a cool gothic prince coord)

>>10335645

>>10335647

>>10335648

>>10335652
sometimes it is difficult to judge whether old snaps are ouji or not, when they are not wearing ouji/lolita brands. there is crossover with schoolkid styles, punk, and gothic. velvet and lace help make this coord read as ouji to me, but at this point in the dump >>10335615 now seems more like regular punk or school punk rather than ouji.

>>10335654
how to get the necktie --> bowtie look

>>10335661
on the left is gothic ouji, and the insert is labeled as sweet ouji. black and white were prevailing color schemes, even in sweet.

>>10335662
*on the right is gothic

>>10335662
these two are more creative than a lot of old school ouji. note the dark eyeliner, multiple bows, mismatched socks, mismatched tartan

>>10335669
meanwhile, brand advertisements tended to be simple and repetitive (compare this Miho Matsuda ad to >>10335630). ouji choices were plaid or butler kei, a lot of the time. so the main difference between then and now is hair, makeup, and shows.

>>10335672
*shoes

My friend is getting married and wants to wear something akin to a men's clothes wedding dress (in his words) so I suggested looking into ouji. Does anyone have any formal white or similar ouji coord pics that would be appropriate for a wedding? I'm looking for inspo myself but since I don't wear ouji I'm not sure what would be considered a good coord haha

>>10335638
I was just about to come ask if anyone had punk ouji inspiration pics, cool. I'd like to see this done more nowadays. Maybe blend it with the more visual kei punk style of stuff like Deorart. Maybe that's what I'll do if nobody else will :)

>>10336096
please fucking don't if this is your inspo.

>>10336096
Check the last thread in an archive, >>10287555 requested that, some good stuff got posted

>>10336003
i am not sure. is white a necessary component? should it be like a tux, but oujified?

>>10336268
AatP has many releases that may work. this feathery cape could imitate the drape and drama of many wedding dresses. i do not know the name of the cape, but it is a recent release.

AatP has many theatrical ouji items.

>>10336269
a ruffly buttcape may be mandatory.

>>10336270
this coord is pure AatP, i believe

>>10336271
chiffon shirt with ruffled sleeves, and a draping silhouette

>>10336272
something simpler but elegant, mix of handmade and Ikemen Mode

>>10336274
similar to >>10336271, but with straight leg pants instead of wide

>>10336275
for spring or summer, chiffon blouse with breeches

>>10336276
AatP ouji as a companion to bridal BtSSB

>>10336278
his jacket is Triple Fortune, another theatrical brand

>>10336280
this indie brand has a long name and does not sell their ouji items, but as a frilly and floofy alternative to white, consider something like this

>>10336283
Japanese indie brand Clover

>>10336284
compare the lace overlay of Clover with this textured Triple Fortune jacket, both inspired by Rococo era.

>>10336285
another handmade coord from >>10336283

>>10336286
Triple Fortune

>>10336288
Fidel David, who also does not sell his handmade ouji

>>10336289
a mix of brands in an eletant silhouette

>>10336290
*elegant

this is AatP

>>10336291
this vest with flouncy buttcape is AatP and would make a good "wedding ouji" piece that mimics bridal fashion.

>>10336292
a better photo

ending dump

>>10336293
actually this is the end of the dump

>>10336294
Anon, I love you! Those are all beautiful. He wants to go for a bridal feel so I think the white really helps that. He really liked the cut and gold accents of the top in >>10336275 along with the cape so we'll start looking at more aatp. Thanks again for the help!

>mad hater

>>10336850
10/6 good bait

>>10336753
you are welcome! i am glad you found good things in the dump.

now it is time for visual punk ouji for >>10336096

the easiest way to do this is punk ouji coord with visual kei hair and makeup.

>>10337131
you can take this in a sweeter direction with cute accessories and softer shironuri makeup.

>>10337132
shift it towards gothic with a fancier coord, choppy hair, fingerless gloves

>>10337133
Ozz On and its sub-brands is good for chic punk goth ouji

>>10337134
RIP in pieces, Algonquins

>>10337135

>>10337137

>>10337138
this is "rock ouji" which we will call "punk ouji" because the western comm isn't ready to distinguish between rock and punk in jfash

>>10337139
this is a regular gothic ouji coord. but when you add a studded belt, a leather wrist cuff, and a Vivienne Westwood pendant, and cargo pants(?), now you are getting punk

>>10337143
this coord is bonkers. punk pants, ouji blouse, casual hoodie, lolita headdress. i don't think this has anything to do with what you asked, it is just too wild not to share.

>>10337149

>>10337150
deorart w

>>10337156
>deorart w
disregard that.

this is ozz croce, which is good for strappy, layered, textured items

>>10337158
putumayo

>>10337149
I think I would die if I saw this on someone, that blouse looks awesome. Thanks for all the images anon you're a godsend!!

>>10337135
>RIP in pieces, Algonquins
I'm still so fucking mad I only learned about them recently

>>10337131
I would ideally want to do it with visual kei hair and makeup no matter what the substyle is, but I'm still learning. Thanks for the inspo!

This image was posted here before.
Does anyone know who this guy is, or what boots he's got here? I'm planning to do some boot shopping. Thanks!

>>10339048
that is @hoodoo.sama on IG

Chinese brand Little Blanca has a comfy looking ouji release

Ozz Oneste Spring/Summer collection has a lot of oujiable white fluffy items if >>10336753 is still seeking wedding ouji inspo

>>10343003
it is the "Vaklyrie x Feather" series and includes a cape, buttcape, and blouse, each in white or black

new blouse in men's and women's sizes from Moitie. will there be pants soon?

>>10343254
>men's size
>39 cm shoulders
> no gathering or elongated sleeve cap to ensure the fit for those with 40+ cm shoulders
> shown on female mannequin with ~34 cm shoulders and Mana with ~36 cm shoulders

MmM would be more honest with calling this a boyfriend fit rather than a men's size

>>10340187
Maybe it's the styling but this reads more like generic 'otome' brand fashion.

>>10344037
it fits Japanese men. where do you get the info about Mana's shoulders?

>>10344185
looks a little mori or dolly to me, no?

>>10344185
>>10344440
another colorway

>>10344546
the sizing options are also limited despite having multiple sizes available. the pants only go up to 72cm waist/124cm hips.

>>10344551
(link: https://girlism-store.com/items/5e327aa4c78a5331c319ada6))

>>10344399
MmM men's shirts used to be made to fit ~44 cm shoulders, which is a JP men's M size. This shirt and the previous one is overall a JP size M shirt with JP size XS-S shoulders

>>10344902
that sucks. i only have older MmM men's shirts, which are of a size and cut that i hope will return. since Moitie is touring the world and under Wunderwelt's management, i would expect them to be aware of the market for larger sizes.

i found this screenshot of an archived oldschool Meta page while organizing images. "princey" gets me every time

>>10344440
Feel like it barely looks mori because they shot it in the forest. To me mori carries the aesthetic over to an urban environment, and it doesn't have the layered-antique feel I associate with dolly (although dolly-kei was such a flash in the pan, it's hard to define what its aesthetic really was)

@ken2rei3 on Twitter is one of the taller Japanese oujis i have seen. he has many good coords and sometimes he and his wife dress their child in ouji-like fashion as well. the well-dressed family is worth following

thanks AatP. i hate it.

>Matching steampunk and lolita street styles in Harajuku - worn by Riru and Yamihoshi - with items from Alice And The Pirates, Baby The Stars Shine Bright, China, and WEGO

Someone needs to tell the photographer of Tokyo Fashion what ouji is

>>10349170
These look like comfy ouji pj's

>>10349463
sleepover-kei

how bad was your nouji phase, /ouG/?

>>10350188
fan+friend is consider nouji?

>>10350188
AWHEY LOOK AT THIS
now we have a name for "ita"
yayyyyy
(btw i matched 5)

>>10350339
I mean, 4

>>10350255
only sometimes. horizontally-striped socks are also not always bad. however, in combination with other things, they tend to be common factors for beginners who miss the mark.

>>10350188

>>10350188
i skipped mine because i had already been wearing lolita for a year. my early coords were just boring

>>10300242
Pls combine the threads to not take up too much space.
#notalolitasubcategory #crossplay #traysaregay

>>10350990
are you lost

That was my nouji phase

And this is me now

>>10351767
Wasn't that posted like a month ago?
That's too recent to be called a phase unless you've improved dramatically.

Actually it was 4+ months
This is me now

>>10352297

>>10352299
Sorry for the potato quality photos. My phone havent changed yet.
Here some better quality photos:

>>10352300

>>10352302
That is all gulls ^^
concrit welcome

>>10352302
This one and the one before just looks like historical wear to me, though you're definitely getting there. I think focusing more on accessories and more fitted tailoring is going to be what pushes you fully into ouji territory

>>10352300
What is with the brows? Are you using makeup to make them green or is my monitor being fucky?

Seconding this just looking more like historical fashion. Nothing wrong with that, I am into historical fashion too, but it's not ouji

>>10352300
I don't know if you made this jacket or bought it but god damn it needs some interfacing.
Also please get some better shoes those are butt ugly

>>10352300
>>10352302
are you the autist who thinks ouji is historical wear?

>>10352303

Bold of you to assume you've left your nouji phase behind.

>>10352305
agreed

you are improving but have a ways to go.

here's some macarouji inspo to assist your princely transformstion.

>>10352686

>>10352335
it's not your monitor unless it's mine, too.

Yeah despite the time being longer than i thought, i was right. You're still not out of the nouji phase. Work at it. You'll crawl out of it eventually. Start with those shoes, though. They're basically colonial crocs.

>>10352689

>>10352692

>>10352694

>>10352699

>>10352700

>>10352703

>>10352706

>>10352708
trim, texture, and tailoring. focus on these

>>10336294
i used to love their coords but havent seen them post in a while, i wonder where they went

>>10352789
ghostintheforest does not post to instagram much. of the old PoP crew, i think only Buttcape has maintained an active social media presence.

>>10352823
PoP?

>>10352827
Palace of Princes

they were a group of oujis who helped centralize ouji info, including releases, when tumblr was relevant

>>10351019
is that question directed at me or at the people dressing in the wrong century.

>>10352691
>>10352335
It is the glasses reflex

>>10352305
>>10352686
>>10352335
I agree the hat, the vest, the shoes and the jacket are still very raw.
Pic related are my plans for the hat in the long run (from Ikemen Mode)

>>10353085
About the shoes, i really don't know what to do.
Maybe go and take to someone which works with shoes to modify it.
The idea is pretty much pic related (that one yes it is historical, from a painting)

I loved the idea on the >>10352694 photo, regarding the shoes. Adding a bow on the shoelaces could really make a difference!
Btw, printed socks would be amazing too

>>10353090
fucking stop trying to shoehorn historical elements into it, it doesn't look right. you already look more like a fucking dandy as it is. do some more research on the fashion and stop assuming it relies mainly on historical elements.

>>10353114
who hurt you?

>>10353117
show me where the lie is tho.

>>10353113
Wait,
If i could simply use normie shoes, like >>10352708 photo, what the heck i was doing all that time with that shoes lol.
I should get myself better shoes though =/

>>10353119
About the jacket, that basically was the idea. I will still get there someday. I loved the idea pic related, especially the lace. What you gulls think?
I am not fully happy with the jacket as-is today though.
>>10353114
What i am supposed to do? I usually look at @ikemenmode, @gravelvet, @fidel.david and @nicholas_daiglere for inspo. The things that i dont find anywhere i pick historical.
Please be aware that the current coord level on >>10352300 are still on the beginning and still very raw. I'm slowly working through it. I recognize it is still way far from the ideal.

>>10353124
For starters you're better off looking at the actual Japanese brands for basis and inspiration. Look at Atelier Boz, Moi Meme Moitie's EGA side, and a number of the other brands listed in the guides given at the top of the thread.
The huge issue with too much of the men's sizing side in the West in attempts at ouji and aristocrat fashions is that they take far too much of an 18th century menswear look, or normal formal attire. You're better off thinking more along the lines of Victorian gothic styling with a dash of Japanese glam rock. That gets you closer to the aesthetic.
Also for footwear honestly I'm not even a fan of seeing normie dress shoes with the style. I'd suggest looking at more of the smarter end of men's gothic footwear.

>>10353124
I am also planning some new buttons for the jacket, vest and the pants. Pic related are the buttons that i am in doubt with. I dont know which one to choose. Opinions?

>>10353133
Inb4 tried that. Twice. The thing is that the branded ouG doesn't fit very well the western man. It sure looks great on woman or an asian man, but the bodyline doesnt look good at all on a western man imo. That is why the inspo instagrammers ive posted before doesnt use brand at all, and make their own. Also buttcape itself is a very old and outdated source.

I will try and look once more though. maybe i've missed something. Thanks.

About the footwear, i completely agree with you. But for man, its difficult to find shoes. I will try to get some custom made for me when the time or the money allows me.

>along the lines of Victorian gothic styling with a dash of Japanese glam rock.
If you meant a style like >>10337133 >>10337156 >>10337159 >>10335654, i am sorry, but that kind of ouji style really isn't my cup of tea. I am trying to reach a style more classic like >>10352686 >>10352689 >>10352694 >>10352699 >>10352706 or >>10352708
btw thanks anon who posted those inspos ^^!!! That will go directly to my gallery.

>>10353145
>buttcape itself is a very old and outdated source.

>>10352305
>>10352339
>>10352686
Thank you very much for the concrit, gulls ^^. I really appreciate your feedback.
I agree the coord currently looks very much historical and very little ouG. I will get there eventually.
You helped me a lot improving, and i will keep improving. Please take at look at the previous posts to see what my idea is for the finished product. concrit are walcome as always

Thanks gulls^^

>>10353145
Your reply actually comes across as rather rude desu. I wasn't saying to look at those brands as sources for where to shop necessarily, although they do fit some Western men, but as inspiration for how the fashion looks. Even if the tailoring doesn't fit getting an understanding of the aesthetics right first kind of helps.

As for the description I gave if you think those pictures you suggested look like that you're completely wrong.

Regarding footwear I suggested to look at Western gothic men's footwear brands. They are out there.

>>10353145

http://jfashionista.com/whiskey/

As you can see here Western men fitting into Atelier Boz. And much as i loathe mentioning it, AM have held Boz fashion shows with Western make models fitting in Boz and rocking it.

Western men tend to suit far better the more mature aristocrat look than the more cutesy and youthful end of ouji, which means far more feminine looking. The big issue here is that due to fit issues and trouble understanding the style properly defaulting to historical fashions outright just makes it not look right and just like historical costuming, which ouji isn't. Ouji is anachronistic. Btw I'm saying all this as someone is a historical reenactor.

>>10353201
I am sorry. I didn't want or meant to be rude in any way. Infact i am really grateful for the help.

I took another look at the brando websites at >>10318530 and i understand what you meant. Indeed there is a lot of good inspo out there. I've took a look at AatP, MMM and Atelier Boz and found out a lot of good inspirations. Thanks for the heads-up! Never thought about it before.

About the shoes, i'll take a look at those brands. Didn't know about that option. Never bought from gothic stores before =/
As soon as i find one nearby i will take a look and see what they have. Hope i find mine there!

About the description, sorry, i really dont know what you meant then =/

Thanks for the help so far and sorry for the misunderstanding.

>>10353218
i'm glad to know someone this annoying is also ugly as sin.

>>10353218
Well if you don't understand the description then you just need to continue doing your research and actually try to grasp the basics of the fashion. The link i gave you is along the lines of the description id given you.
You need to research a lot, lot more. Judt foung a quick search and look at sometbing a couple of times doesn't constitute as sufficient research.

As for footwear you are better off looking online.

>>10353218
After this I'll stop spoon feeding you info, but I recommend looking at Agentlemandoesnotconga's posts on style. Technotropism is another guy who wears the Jbrands.

>>10353215
>mature aristocrat look than the more cutesy and youthful end of ouji, which means far more feminine looking.
first, this aristocrat/ouji divide solely exists in the Western community.

secondly, equating youthfulness with femininity is weird. here is a mature, feminine ouji coord.

>>10353291
get out.

>>10353291
a youthful, masculine coord.

>>10353291
wtf this looks like literal shit?

>>10353295
>>10353291
>she thinks masculine/feminine mean boy or girl.

>>10353295
mature feminine

>>10353300
youthful masculine

>>10353145
>>along the lines of Victorian gothic styling with a dash of Japanese glam rock.
>If you meant a style like...

no, those are punkish ouji coords.

you generally want some glamour in ouji. a lot of visual kei bands wear ouji, because it can be a very theatrical style. even the simplest coords look best when they have a modern, whimsical flair.

>>10353302
aristicrat, meanwhile, avoids prints and the whimsicality of ouji. it can be masculine or feminine, but it is mature by design.

>>10353291
It does originate in the West, but I have also seen it being used in Japan as well since. I was using it as an explanation point for the historical fashion guy.

Also as a whole a lot of the more youthful looking end of outings does end up looking more feminine than masculine, to Western standards.

>>10353307
there is overlap, and some coords can be ouji and aristocrat at the same time.

>>10353304
The photos the historical guy had posted were punk ouji. They also weren’t what I was describing

>>10353307
Also, it’s historical guy you need to be explaining all of this to, not me. I’ve worn ‘aristocrat’ for over ten years.

>>10353309
meanwhile, ouji can also fall anywhere on the feminine-androgynous-masculine line, and the whole basis of the fashion is in youthful masculinity.

>>10353308
unfortunately, yes, a lot of people associate youth with femininity. i think this is something ouji has the power to push against, as an alternative fashion. as lolita liberates femininity from cultural norms of "sex appeal", ouji can liberate masculinity from the norms of "bland old man in a serious suit".

i also think, as Japanese stores are now carrying chinese brands that originally took their labels from Western customers, words like "aristocrat" or even "kodona" may filter over into the Japanese side of the fashion. tag spammers on social media also may be accelerating this depressing feedback loop. but calling a macaron a "macaroon," no matter how commonly it is done, is still incorrect. we don't have to perpetuate the misnomers.

>>10353310
>>10353315
yes, that is who i was replying to. is >>10353145 not the historical gull?

>>10353326
Ah my mistake. It looked like you were replying to me. I’m who was trying to help him earlier.

Hoi it is me again!

>>10353295
>>10353291
>>10353302
>>10353304
>>10353307

Amazing explanation!
I am a big fan of both mature and youthful. I really hope to do a youthful coord in the future!


>>10353215
Just became a big fan of Atelier Boz. I just found out when browsing again the >>10318530 sheets as >>10353145 suggested. Thought just AatP produced quality ouji for men.

As for i am really grateful for all the help! I am sorry again for being rude back then on >>10353145. It wasn't my intention. Btw thanks for the instagram profiles!

>>10353304
Those blouses and the right guy's jacket looks amazing. What brand is it?

>>10353411
I got messed up the messages.

>As for i am really grateful for all the help! I am sorry again for being rude back then on >>10353145. It wasn't my intention. Btw thanks for the instagram profiles!
That message was for >>10353145.

Hoi it is me again!

>>10353295
>>10353291
>>10353302
>>10353304
>>10353307

Amazing explanation!
I am a big fan of both mature and youthful. I really hope to do a youthful coord in the future!


>>10353215
Just became a big fan of Atelier Boz. I just found out when browsing again the >>10318530 sheets as >>10353133
suggested. Thought just AatP produced quality ouji for men.

>>10353133
Thanks for all the help! I am sorry again for being rude back then on >>10353145. It wasn't my intention. Btw thanks for the instagram profiles!

>>10353304
Those blouses and the right guy's jacket looks amazing. What brand is it?

Hoi it is me again!

>>10353295
>>10353291
>>10353302
>>10353304
>>10353307

Amazing explanation!
I am a big fan of both mature and youthful. I really hope to do a youthful coord in the future!


>>10353215
Just became a big fan of Atelier Boz. I just found out when browsing again the >>10318530 (OP) sheets as >>10353133
suggested. Thought just AatP produced quality ouji for men.

>>10353133
Thanks for all the help! I am sorry again for being rude back then on >>10353145. It wasn't my intention. Btw thanks for the instagram profiles!

>>10353304
Those blouses and the right guy's jacket looks amazing. What brand is it?

>>10353425
fuck off and die ugly shit.

>>10353425
>Those blouses and the right guy's jacket looks amazing. What brand is it?
the jacket is Triple Fortune. i am unsure of the blouses.

>>10353425
Well if you’d actually read the sticky to begin with you might have found the brands sooner, rather than just thinking AatP does ouji styles. The brands I suggested to you are hardly obscure brands. You need to really need to research more into the fashion, and start listening to people more and be less rude, as it does make people less inclined to help you out.

Christopher Nemeth has had a cult following in Japan since the 1990s. often, oldschool oujis or proto-oujis wore Christopher Nemeth in their coords. i believe Ryutaro of Plastic Tree was wearing Christopher Nemeth in the infamously misinterpreted "kodona" photo.

occasionally, the brand still releases some oujiable items. three-quarters-length trousers are a staple of the brand. these go up to 115cm hips in the largest (LL) size, and 92cm at the waist (compared with the 76-80cm waists of men's sizes for brands such as Boz).

you can see the full size guide here: https://christophernemeth.co/pages/size-guide

>>10353701
although newer collections may be too pricey for their casual streetwear vibe, the usual second-hand markets continue selling older or vintage Christopher Nemeth now and then.

>>10353425
>Hoi
stop that

This is probably a common question, but can busty women look good in ouji? It's a great style, but I'm tossing up whether to actually try it or just admire it.

>>10353913
sure. wear clothes that fit, and be true to the aesthetic.

>>10353913

Depends a lot on your specific body shape/quirks. I have a potato-shaped friend who always looked way better in pants than skirts, and she looks way better in ouji than either aristo or lolita. Also have an hourglass-shaped friend who always wore skirts because she has so much trouble finding pants that fit, and she looks way better in lolita than ouji or aristo.

Basically, if you already look better in pants than skirts, go ahead and give it a try. You'd probably want to avoid things like jabots that puff your chest up even more, that's about it.

If you're already having trouble with pants, though, or if you're an uncommon size and need everything custom made, you're going to have a pretty rough time -- it'll be harder for you to get an item made/found one in your size, and then when you get it in you're not even sure if it'll look good despite fitting into it.

If you don't already know what you look good in, it's better to get that sorted out, and then choose your jfashion style according to what flatters your body.

How uncomfortable is it to be an ouji currently? Is the fashion still hypocritically sexualized? Lolitas are fetishized by outsiders, but oujis used to endure it from within the community itself.

Is it still common for masculine oujis to get creepy attention from within the EGL community?

Furthermore, are weebs still using ouji as a way to live out their gross shotacon kink?

>>10354563
> ouji as a way to live out their gross shotacon kink
Is this a thing? I thought kuroshitsuji was finally dead

>>10354580
i've seen it in the tags, but it's not as prevalent as it used to be.

>>10354563
i don't think it is as bad as it once was. but this may be because the people who get those kinds of comments stopped posting.

it's more of an online thing than a meet-up thing

this Ozz Angelo long vest is gorgeous. i would like more items like this.

Has anyone ever seen (p)leather ouji pants? Like short/knee-length? I am thinking about making a pair and I am looking for inspo. I know AatP has had long pants, but I want to make mine medium length.

>>10355555
i don't think i have, outside of "ero" coords that used very tight shorts that were not very ouji

however you got quints of the number 5 so i think that is an auspicious coincidence

on March 14, Kaneko Shop will begin a preorder for these pants. they are Moscow-based. i am unsure what their size range is like.

>>10356399
Don’t worry I am not planning to do anything tight/short/ero. But I am trying to figure out what would look good and not. I was thinking about making them in the style of AatP’s Schöne Rose von Schwestern Pants, but I am struggling with how I would coord it. Since I don’t think I want to make a vest/coat with the same fabrics, as it might be too leathery. I was thinking about maybe getting some inspiration from Vkei artists who wear leather pants, but they are often more Aristocrat if you know what I mean.

>>10356468
here are some coords that have somewhat of a (p)leather pants feeling, even if they are not actually made of it.

also, look for h.Naoto's Dragon Leather items in coords for inspo (pic related)

>>10356603

>>10356604

>>10356606
another dragon leather coord

>>10356610

>>10356620
Shinya in dragon leather

>>10356624
leather harness-like accessory on pants

>>10356626
dragon leather pants with rider's jacket

>>10356627

>>10356630
left coord could do well with pleather half-pants

>>10356631
lastly, Na+H coord with ouji elements.

need help

Not new to the fashion because I’ve wanted to get into it since I was a teen but I was too poor. Now I’m an adult and I have the money but I’m fat. I’m steadily losing weight but I don’t want to try to squeeze myself into EGA and look disgusting and make a mockery of the fashion.

Any suggestions besides sticking to the weight loss?

>>10356979
learn to sew, dude. I'm also too fat in the thighs for Ouji for the most part. Sewing your own and customizing will have to be your bread and butter unless you want to custom order sizes off taobao or something

>>10356408
https://kanekoshop.com/shop/velveteen-baggy-pants
Preorders are up, sizes are:
Size 1:
Waist 60-75 cm
Hips up to 115 cm
Leg cuff circumference 40 cm
Length 80 cm
Size 2:
Waist 75-90 cm
Hips up to 135 cm
Leg cuff circumference 45 cm
Length 84 cm

>>10356979
Seconding learning to sew, there's some oujiable patterns from the big pattern brand's costume/formal sections that may go up to your size. Start with easy stuff and if you're unsure which fabrics are "good" and which are "bad" cotton corduroy and velvets are fool proof albeit a bit difficult to work with as a beginner

>>10356979
Thirding learning how to sew! I made some pants using the simplicity 2777 pattern with some edits (swapped out the elastic waist for a zipper, wider leg cuffs) I need to get some better photos of them washed n with a coord but haven't had the time

>>10356979
Lose the weight and try and get custom sized stuff. EGA relies on good tailoring to look good, and right.

>>10357859
looks nice. i like that no zipper is visible from the front. how do they close in the back?

>>10354563
people conduct "man meat meets", which are tongue-in-cheek ouji gatherings, and also an innuendo that would be unacceptable for lolita.

>>10358438
Thank you! They close up at the back by invisible zip, it was my first time putting one in so I for sure need more practice with it

>>10358506
Here's just a photo of the back as well

where are all the fucking leprechaun ouji coords for St. Patrick's Day

>>10358907
Nobody's bothering celebrating anything because the economy is destroyed and we're just trying to figure out how we're going to eat.

>>10359591
I hate to be that guy so this is basically what happened to the Irish right? kind of fitting

holy shit!

>>10359791
These are hilarious.
Imagine wearing the blue coord on the UK highstreet

>>10359894
Imagine wearing it riding a horse in Hyde Park.

>>10359894
>>10360122
imagine wearing it to a lolita convention as the Fashion Police

>>10360320
Please don't tempt me

What are some core factors that make ouji different from lolita aside from just not wearing skirts?
I find that it's far easier to work nice "normie" items into ouji without looking super out of place, as well as accessories being generally fewer but each more significant to the overall look.

>>10360670
Modern ouji looks more like historical cosplay rather than its own fashion thing. It was much better when it was more closely related to visual kei and jpunk.

>>10360670
Like most menswear-related fashions, the devil is in the details. Lolita is more obvious with its silhouette, prints and matchiness - ouji can fall over VERY fast if you don't have enough of the details to make it its own style (see: retarded historic-anon upthread) and also has less examples to follow.

>>10356979
Keep working on your weight loss goals, anon! Good luck!

Even with the best tailoring, a lot of ouji looks just don't work well on an overweight frame. Puffy pants add 20 lbs visually, and the knee-length cut of most pants doesn't help in lengthening illusion.

Even if you can't learn to sew your own clothes (because this takes a long time and is EXPENSIVE), at least look for a good seamstress in your area to help tailor your clothes pieces.

>>10360685
NAYT but I much prefer the Jpunk look for ouji. It does feel like historical fashion without that touch

>>10359791
i wanted more ouji uniform-style releases to match lolita ones. like nurses or doctors or soda jerks, or couriers. i did not want this. nobody wanted this.

>>10363542
on the bright side, they have also released an unrelated cardigan with broader shoulders than usual (their men's size): https://babyssb.shop/category/select/cid/345/pid/11175

the gold colorway is cute and will not match anything i currently own, so i want it.

>>10363542
Speak for yourself.

>>10363542
I've always loved police and military themes, this is great for me!

>>10363542
I'm pretty sure only you didn't want it

the pants and shirt come in men's and ladies' sizes, but the corset does not.

What style of glasses would best blend into a gothic ouji coord?

>>10367626
The most important thing for glasses is to suit your unique face, so don't feel pressured to pick something that is less flattering on you just because it's more style-appropriate: it won't be worth it. With that out of the way, maybe small round glasses a la Ozzy or Hellsing?

>>10367626
the shape should flatter your face, and the material and color would ideally suit your general aesthetic

>>10367689
>>10367687
The glasses that i have currently emphasize the feminineness of my face too much. I'm want to buy a new pair for ouji that would look good with the aesthetic, without taking away from it. I dont think my thick femme frames, while look great on my face normally, look good with ouji.

>>10348209
oh god, the EGL family appeal is strong in this page.

>>10351767
Oh god, is that a bootleg Rozen Maiden cosplay? Reminds me way too much of pic related

>>10369397
who knows. that poster is really annoying so don't get him started again.

>>10348209
This is so cute! Does anyone know of more jfash family content?

Ozz On testing cowboy ouji vibes

>>10353701
>>10335621
interesting, i had never looked him up before but there are some really nice quality things. whether or not they're worth it on the other hand.. this is 200

>>10369826
while this is like.. $800 while being a lot more boring and having a very dull looking texture

new thread >>10370402

>>10352297
You're definitely getting there! The darker coords resemble ouji a lot more, in my opinion. Look for inspo on kuekuekuri instagram, they use a lot of accessories and details on their coords. I think if you add a bit of those, you'll be set!

>>10372264
Ayrt, thanks anon! ^^
I am really excited to improve that coord more. It is still very flat and uncomplete. Would really love to put more work on these. Gulls here were vey helpful too.
Now with thwt quarantine i do have more time to work on those pieces. I gonna start with the hat

>>10372264
Ayrt, looking into the instagram right now. Thanks for the tip!