/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Insulting people isn’t ‘concrit’
There needs to actually be something helpful to make something constructive
Even if your insult is true don’t pretend it’s concrit if you don’t give actual advice that’ll help the person.

Tired of bitches saying ‘oh your dress is cheap and ugly’
That isn’t con crit it’s just an insult

Tell them why and how they could improve
If you’re too goddamn lazy to do that then don’t comment in the first place

Honey cake 2019 mto is ugly

>>10367917
Honey Cake was always ugly

>>10367918
This. Honey Cake's only good if you're doing an extra kitschy coord.

>>10367916
That is critique though. It’s harsh but it’s better that they know they’re wearing a garbage bag as a dress from taobao than to be babied on CoF

>>10367916
A dress can be cheap and ugly tho. There are plenty of people running around in terrible quality wish lacemonsters and polyester garbage that's never going to look right in lolita. Really bad concrit is saying "you're too ugly/fat for the fashion." IMO, body type isn't really something that can be "constructively criticized" in the same way a dress or styling choice can be. Teach people to dress in a more flattering way for their body and point them towards higher quality clothes.

>Concrit and personal preference aren't the same thing.

Concrit: Your coordinate would have a proper lolita silhouette if you did X and changed Y.

Preference: I don't really like Y! You would look better without it.

>Wigs are usually better than real hair.

I prefer to wear wigs because they hold their style all day long, and make it easier to wear headbows.

>Poly isn't that bad

I see why AP switched to using it, there's a lot of prints I would prefer to buy in poly (like Dreaming Macaron, which is printed on really rough textured fabric). I just wish AP would price accordingly and have it be cheaper.

(Reposting this one here because it makes more sense to be posted in a lolita thread)

I legit think lolita is sort of cultish.
>factions all over the world
>if you do not follow the rules that (at minimum) your faction has, it leads to you getting shunned and often publicly disgraced online
>if you try to join the online community which has stricter rules, you have much higher chances of becoming a leader, but much higher chances of being picked apart by the community
>there used to be a day of a week dedicated to tearing those who made mistakes down
>when doing sales exchanges everyone follows this dumb kawaii script
>it is considered normal and even admirable to have a shrine dedicated to Mana or Misako
>the lolita magazine was unironically called "the gothic and lolita bible"
>unhealthy habits like spending all your money on clothing obsessively are praised
>lolitas who are the most involved with the online community are the most unsufferable motherfuckers out there

>>10367944
ok

>>10367934
critique =/= concrit

>>10367934
>>10367936
unless you help them understand the differences between high and low quality items, telling them their dress looks cheap is just as useless as telling them they're overweight. it doesn't give them the tools to improve or teach them anything. "that dress is cheap and ugly" is a lot different than "that fabric doesn't drape well or suit the silhouette of lolita, you should try x instead"

>>10367944
>lolita is cultish!
>lists a bunch of shit irrelevant to cults
ok anon

>>10367950
>that stuff
>irreverent to cults
Whatever helps you sleep at night about joining an organization or legbeards obsessed with adult baby clothes.

>>10367918
Hard agree.

>>10367934
Critique isn’t the same as concrit and that was my entire point, dumbass

Just insulting people or critiquing them isn’t goddamn helpful you cunt

>>10367938
Fully agree! Perfect point and great way of explaining it

>>10367944
>>there used to be a day of a week dedicated to tearing those who made mistakes down
Kek secrets are not just a lolita thing. They're a lj thing and every fandom I've ever been in has one. Even now you see different fandoms having secrets on tumblr or amino.
>>when doing sales exchanges everyone follows this dumb kawaii script
What? I buy and sell on lm all the time and have no idea what you're talking about. Is saying please and thank you when engaging in a business transaction really that foreign to you? Do you mean people making ^^ or :) faces in their messages? Because people do that all the time in their regular typing lmao. I actually want you to explain what you mean by "dumb kawaii script" I'm really confused.

>>10367944
you can follow the same logic for most fan communities/hobbies though. Sounds like you just don't like organized and community oriented activities.
As far as I've seen, not many lolitas give a fuck about getting leadership roles and opportunities. Maybe they care about e-fame, but I don't see a ton of people jumping to mod their comm or FB group. If anything, groups are suffering from people being uninterested in taking the initiative to create meets.

>>10367934
>than to be babied on CoF
How terrible! People are going to obliviously enjoy their ugly clothes! Unacceptble!

Lacemarket is the absolute worst place to buy secondhand because most English speaking people will rip you off.

DreamHolic wigs are garbage.

Most of the time, altering brand is a bad decision.

>>10367975
Dreamholic wigs are fine if you can find them really cheap but they don’t look anything like the photos and aren’t impressive in real life.

>>10367952
>regurgitates my response with added typos
o i am laffin

Lolita has changed a lot from the earliest days of the fashion and I fully understand why some lolitas like old-school but not stuff from the 10s or what's coming out now. What I don't understand is people instantly coming to conclusion that they are trend-hopping. Just as some lolitas won't wear old-school as a personal preference, some might be in fashion just for that.

>>10367975
>>10367980
So where do you get actually nice wigs? I miss when Lockshop was good.

1. I fucking hate when prints mix mint colorways with pink, purple, and yellow pastels. They always clash so awfully and are reminiscent of terribly tacky easter decor. And yeah yeah, I know it's purely subjective.

2. I think lolita is extremely easy to coord compared to most other fashions. It's ridiculously matchy-matchy and half the time it literally comes in sets. Don't get me wrong -- I love the fashion and don't necessarily see this as a bad thing. But I'm always astonished how itas manage to be ita because this fashion is easy as fuck. I can understand going through an ita phase in your teens, but it's genuinely surprising to me when adults go through one.

My only guess is that since this fashion is usually discovered by weebs, a large portion of them will be oblivious about how to dress themselves since they're socially awkward nerds.

>>10367994
mint and pink or mint and lav look good together though

>>10367986
though I totally agree with this, there are definitely still a lot of people who try old school just because it's trendy or they think it will get them attention. it's easy to spot

I wish the main substyles would split off into different styles and communities altogether. They wouldn’t have to be mutually exclusive, just separate.

>>10367944
>when doing sales exchanges everyone follows this dumb kawaii script
What do you mean by this? I've never encountered this script.

>>10368027
A lot of them do kind of already have their own online communities

>>10367987
Buy real wigs from an ethnic hair store

>>10368051
lmao no.

>>10367944
If lolita was a cult that'd be lit

>>10368055
why? they're generally made to look like actual hair and to be comfortable to wear on a daily basis.

Last April Fools day has been a prime example that most people in this fashion have no sense of humor and lack the skills to pull of a decent prank.

>>10368029
Really? I’ve only really seen oldschool-specific communities.

>>10368055
They are on average, more durable, more natural looking, more comfortable to wear, easier to style and cheaper than any lolita brand wig

>>10367987
I go through youvimi. The quality is pretty nice for the price. They arent perfect, but they're great if you're just starting out

Your $300 brand dresses deserve better than these shitty blouses. They are cheap and also kind of ugly. They don’t have the right look under most jsks and those types of collars don’t look good. Even worse is when these are used with sweet dresses.

>>10368119
bless. people think we can't tell their blouse is shit. yes. we can tell. and we can tell you're tryna cut corners.

>>10367915
April fool's day is a stupid white "holiday" and everyone who participates looks equally stupid. No your ita coords are not "funny".

>>10368051
I'm not in the US and have never seen an ethnic hair store, sadly.

>>10368110
These look like your average Taobao wigs, probably won't be much better than DreamHolic.

>>10368131
Same. Wig stores here are all either for cancer patients and only sell short middle aged lady wigs or costume stores that only sell plastic nightmares. At best you can find a cosplay wig stand at a convention. It’s just not a thing here.

>>10368119
I really hate that lace now.

>>10367975
Dreamholic wigs depends on the model. Their natural hair color wigs look good but need a little TLC to de-shine. But their wigs in weird colors (particularly that kira imai collab) look like party city quality. See if you can find worn photos of whichever wig you like and you'll be able to tell.

>>10367994
Most veteran lolitas still can’t match for sh it and look ugly as fuck

Stop throwing random brand shit together and thinking it looks good
None of ur colors match bitches

>>10367975
Altering brand isn’t a bad idea
If you own it and don’t plan to sell it who cares
Better than fat bitches looking like their clothes are killing them

>>10368149
Paying to get brand altered isn't a bad idea. Altering brand yourself is usually a bad idea; people are not goof judges of their own skills.

Taobao bags are usually better than brand ones

>>10368151
Fully agree

Just
If you can afford a $300 brand dress- you can afford professional altering

>>10368159
Shoes too

I love when ‘experienced’ lolitas talk a lot of shit when their coords all look literally awful and thrown together
It’s so funny
Like just bc you own brand doesn’t mean you dress well sweetie

>>10368133
>>10368131

Is buying online an option? Do stores like Wigtyoes, SamsBeauty not ship overseas?

I can't imagine buying AP when Baby exists.

I’m tired of old ladies in the lolita community still acting like middle schoolers
Grow the fuck immature cunt
Act your damn age Jesus Christ

>>10368168
do you really think this is an unpopular opinion? no one likes cocky people that dress like garbage

>>10368178
It’s unpopular because most of these bitches get praised on cof amino and Instagram just bc they’ve been in the fashion for ‘years’
So yeah.

I dislike super poofy pettis. Poof is necessary, but do you really need to look like you have an umbrella under your dress? Maybe I just like more casual styles.

>>10367983
>typos suddenly makes it less true
Ok

>>10368091
rip 'tekkurori', dead before it even had a chance to live

I like kawaiigoods

>>10368203
Personally I don't mind a lot of poof (I tend to go lighter myself but I admire extreme poof done right) but it's so often done terribly. Tons of girls seem to think volume is more important than shape and end up looking like they have a beach ball stuffed up their skirt.

>>10368168
You sound ita

>>10367918
I like the green honey cake. I can't get it cause I'm a fatass but once quarantine ends I want to hit the gym to stop being fat

>>10368257
No I sound like someone who’s tired of seeing random clashing brand and people thinking it looks good
Why spend so much money just to look retarded

Lolita picnics suck. They are so uncomfortable, there’s never a way to comfortably sit, always the risk of getting your clothes and shoes dirty and you have to transport food. Also every single time I have been to a picnic meet the itas turn out because it’s free and easy. I just started avoiding picnic meets.

>>10368290
hardcore agree. most girls who attend don't bring anything besides grocery store cupcakes and expect others to feed them gourmet lunch.

>>10368270
You know you can workout from home too right

>>10368299
>replying to anon who refers to mint colorway as "green"

>>10368304
I'm just concerned for them, anon

>>10368270
just stop stuffing your face, idiot

>>10368314
Retard

I feel like the lolita fashion is extremely plain and boring without a lifestyle aspect to it. I miss the older blogs and livejournals where everybody was chatting about becoming a maiden and doing 'princess stuff' to feel better on bad days. I wish it could come back, as long as swearing and alcohol are allowed.

>>10368379
lolita is what YOU make of it. If you see it as plain and boring you will get sick of it. You shouldn't need what other people view lolita as to determine your feelings of it as well. Be the person to make those lifestyle blogs. Live by no excuses.

Not sure if this counts as an unpopular opinion but I need to get this out
Calling other lolitas "ladies" is condescending as fuck.
I basically only ever see it being used by itas in a hella patronizing way and it's super annoying

>>10368382
Thanks anon, I will!! I just hope to find people that feel the same way.

>>10368379
Maybe you could make a thread about it with some of your ideas? I bet it would be especially useful with all this covid shit keeping us indoors.

>>10368385
But don't most people say "ladies" while addressing a group of women? I've seen this in plenty of normie environments. What else should you say?

>>10367944
When I was a Teen (18)
I wasn't allowed to go to meetups because my family thought it was a cult, so let me put in WHY they thought it was a cult based off of your list lol.
They actually thought that if they let me go, I would be kidnapped on some cultist property where we would all dress like little dolls and be forced to sew clothes since clothes were the basis of this "religion", I can't make this shit up.

>factions all over the world (this concerned them the most)
>the lolita magazine was unironically called "the gothic and lolita bible"
>it is considered normal and even admirable to have a shrine dedicated to Mana or Misako (there was a photo going around at the time of Gothic lolitas praying to Mana as a joke and this freaked them out)

>>10368402
Nayrt but it's weird when normies do it too.

>>10368410
Sure, but then what other term do you use to directly address them? "Guys?"

>>10368413
Y'all because I live in Texas.

>>10368425
what about "y'all ladies"?

>>10368428
To me that's what a literal 60 year old boomer or a 40 something year old Karen would say.

>>10368436
NAYRT but you just sound picky and weird

>>10368385
this is regional and context dependent imo. when i lived in the south it almost always felt genuine. not so much when i lived around Boston.

>>10368413
"hello everyone"

>>10368428
try you'uns on for size

>>10368436
and what could be more despicable than being over 40 lmao

>>10368290
What are you doing during picnics that makes it so uncomfortable. They're legit just clothes, and you can take your shoes off on blankets.

Your comm just sucks. Picnic meets are usually really nice and relaxing.

>>10368428
That's the worst thing I've heard.

>>10368444
>what could be more despicable than being over 40
these are the people who latch on to "corona only kills old people"

Most handmade stuff isn’t bad because of lack of skill
It’s bad because people suck at designing

Just
Let someone design shit for you and then you make it if ur skilled
I’m tired of seeing well constructive garments with poor design

To me taobao brands coined current 2018 onwards OTT classic and gothic. I am tIrEd of the DiSrEsPeCt lmao. People sleep on quality taobao too much. I have yet to see big brands tackle OTT classic and gothic the way brands like Yolanda and Elpress L have, at least at their price and availability, and I'm waiting for them to step it up. Idk, does anyone feel like OTT brandname is dead unless its 10 different ways to say a gothic church Nun?

>>10368466
no one wants to balance drinks on blankets, or food on paper plates over their dresses.

>>10368110
youvimi is literally just super marked up taobao. Just get a shopping service.

>>10368511
>at least at their price

Found the poorfag

>>10368471
Hard agree, as someone who sews a lot. I wish someone had slapped the ugly fabrics out of my hands and directed me to something nicer when I was just starting out with sewing because I wasted so much time and energy on projects that were doomed to be ugly from the start. It’s incredibly frustrating because there’s no way to salvage something made out of crap materials and nobody who’s sharing their finished project wants to be told to start over completely from scratch. Of course taste is subjective, but it’s clear to see that many handmade lolitas are drawn to certain fabrics and designs that are never found anywhere else in lolita and so their creations will always be recognisable as handmade.

>>10368385
Hell, it's better than 10 years ago when itas would address people as "maidens". Also "lovelies" which I still occasionally see and fucking hate.

>>10368511
Not really, current taobao trends are copies of J et J painting dresses and Baby OTT MTO dresses. There's also some VM and Gunne Sax inspired taobao. None of it is original

>>10368561
This. Whenever someone is repping taobao too hard I just assume they're a newb who doesn't know any better. I'm sick and tired of them acting as though their opinion on what is and isn't quality is valued. Yes there are some nice things on taobao, but acting like it's significantly better than brand is just stupid.

>>10368581
nayrt but I totally agree. I'm always seeing people wax lyrical about the "creative design" of Taobao brands too and I just don't get it. Most of the designs are messy, busy garbage, and fabric quality and good construction should trump "interesting" prints anyway. I'm not against Taobao and I do own some pieces but it's silly to act like it's better than brand.

>>10368511
the only thing taobao brands did was make fuglier versions of already shitty trends.

>>10368585
Ayrt the only things I like from taobao are shoes and bags and admittedly those can be on par or even better than brand, but it also depends on the material used as well as price point. Though I gotta say that the construction still can be hit or miss and it can range from annoying to outright painful. Wish I could compare the quality of brand shoes though cause I've heard they're comfy but alas my feet are too small. As for blouses, I just don't see the appeal. I have yet to see a taobao blouse thar doesn't look "off" in a way or another. I much rather buy secondhand brand blouses and cutsews for the similar price range as "high quality" taobao ones. And even though it's a meme to say that AP has become taobao tier, I still don't see the similarity and I own only poly AP shit. But maybe I'm just lucky so far.

>>10368585
Everyone I know who praises Taobao “creativity” is talking about prints, particularly edgy shit (gore, Satanic symbolism, guns) or things pertaining to their own very specific interests that people for whatever reason always insist on shoehorning into lolita. Like Japanese brands are great or whatever but have they made a print with zombie programmer dragons?? Didn’t think so! Thank goodness for Taobao creativity!

I like split-color dresses.

>>10368517
Bring a bento and a bottle/thermos.

>>10368553
It sucks
I do design and art but I can’t personally sew
Wish lolitas would just let me pick their shit like trims and fabrics

No more tacky fabrics 2020

I’m tired of ankle socks
They look ugly and it’s always girls with fat legs who wear them
Please wear otk’s or tights
I don’t wanna see ur huge legs at a meet

>>10368385
I prefer it to "girls" being used for adult women.

>>10368184
What does COF stand for? Ive lurked quite a while but i atill dont get it. Yeah im new

>>10368894
Closet Of Frills

>>10368895
Thank you!

>>10368888
It only looks good if you don't have massive ass calves and when wearing a longer length dress to compensate for the lack of leg coverings. I hate them in general too, especially when tights exist.

I fucking hate the western jfashion scene.

90% of western jfashion scene doesn't even try to make a good outfit, it's just about who can look the most like a nightmare drag clown with the actual clothing/outfit coordination part taking a backseat. I don't know if it's early decora's fault or what, but for some reason people here think every substyle needs to be just as eyesearingly loud.

And the western jfashion brands are just as terrible - bad art, bad quality, uninspired designs, ugly colors. No one knows anything about actual design, they just put their amateur-drawn kaweewee girls onto some PAOM-esque shirts and call themselves a designer.

>>10368909
Intellect

>>10368892
god yes, I noticed this while working as a graphic designer. if you search for a stock image of a girl you get adult women. You have to specifically add child to the search to get what you're looking for.

>>10368914
>90% of western jfashion scene doesn't even try to make a good outfit, it's just about who can look the most like a nightmare drag clown with the actual clothing/outfit coordination part taking a backseat. I don't know if it's early decora's fault or what, but for some reason people here think every substyle needs to be just as eyesearingly loud.


It's the fault of western made brands like Gothic Lolita Wigs and Kawaii Goods favoring the most garishly dressed person and making them. Combined with the remnants of scene kid culture. The western eye for jfashion has always been warped and messed up. Probably because we get our trends late from Japan and it isn't easy for us to access things secondhand to build a coherent wardrobe, so people are more likely to spring for the loudest piece they can rather than cohesive ones that make a coherent wardrobe.

>>10368517
Are picnic tables foreign concepts to people? Literally every park has a shelter with a few picnic tables. Eat at the tables and then gi sit on blankets in the grass for cute pictures.

>>10368385
I always just say "my fellow lolitas". Not sure if that's odd, but it makes me feel like I'm about to give a presidential speech.

>>10368396
I would love to join you, anon! I miss the lifestyle days!

>>10368561
Where is this Gunne Sax inspired taobao?

>genuine question, I'm very interested

>>10368952
>sitting my ass on some dirty park bench that sits outside in the rain. hopefully it's in shade but not guaranteed at all.
>being at the mercy of whatever last-minute, store-bought cookies the fat itas brought and praying enough people brought dishes of healthy substance
>having to juggle cups, plates, and napkins to ensure the wind doesn't make them go flying off the second they stop being weighted down by my food and drink
>having to bring food to the meet then bring dirty tupperware back
>unnecessary waste of plastic and styrofoam

obviously none of this necessarily applies to personal, small picnics. but as large meets? ugh i'd rather just eat at a restaurant before going on a walk through the park.

>>10368385
Triggered snowflake alert

>>10368996
Off the top of my head beleganty lolita did a few but their style isn’t consistent

>>10368996
Sorry for some reason I was thinking of Pink House, beleganty isn’t really gunne sax style. My bad.

>>10368952
Picnic tables are few and far apart, you won't be able to sit 50 people, and a lot of them will be dirty or occupied by other park users.

>>10368803
have you never been to a picnic meet? it's always potluck style.

>>10368952

oh yay i get to sit on the same benches homeless people slept on four hours ago in a drafty ass shelter. what a perfect way to spend an afternoon.

If your item has been up on LM for a year with a stupidly high price then you should be banned

>>10368996
This isn't the brand I was thinking but the plain prairie aesthetic is definitely Gunne Sax and reminds me of brands like VM. Not original and needs good material to look good. The tiered button down Taobao dresses would look good with this but only if the materials are good

>>10368511
I can only speak for sweet, but they certainly have more interesting and unique prints than brands currently. I appreciate that they use a variety of motifs and different animals than the typical stuff brand uses over and over.

>>10368385
How about, wassup muh frilly bitches!

>>10368914
In Japan if a friend/acquaintance thinks you look bad they are going to tell you. If you gain or lose weight since you have last been seen it will be commented on. In the west if you comment negatively on someones appearance there's a solid chance they'll have a bitch fit and treat it as an insult.

>>10368314
Working out is much more effective imo. I'm a vegetarian so I tend to eat more carbs because fake meat is legit just carbs. I don't want to eat meat again (I'd consider eating chicken and fish if I went keto but red meat is fatty as shit and if I go keto, I'd still have to exercise a fuckton to get my body into ketosis)

I can work out at home too, I just prefer going to the gym so I can use weights to fix my gross lunch lady arms and cycling (I quite like my thighs as is but cycling is just fun). Also they have more equiptment for cardio

>>10369097
>imo
key word. it's generally a lot easier to lose weight by reducing portions rather than changing what you eat or starting an exercise routine. exercising is great and beneficial and especially effective if you're already normal weight. But if someone is eating 4000 calories a day like a lot of the hams you see in yhe ita thread the burning off 200 cal per session twice a week (because let's be real they won't be doing 1hr 5 days a week) is a miserable drop in the bucket. i recommend just using a calorie counting app and going for long walks as a bonus.

Lolita fashion does not have that many rules.

>>10368290
Big agree. My comm had so many last year and I was so fed up. All the food was just baked goods and sweets. I actually brought some real food to them, and no one ate it. And if it's a hot day, that food goes off quickly so you can't even take it home and have it later. Such a waste. I learnt to just take food for me which looks incredibly selfish but fuck everyone else. My friends and I are going to have picnics this summer so we can plan out the food properly and it will definitely be more pleasant. But I'm 100% done with comm picnics.

>>10369146
I remember when we had a picnic meet and one of my comm members brought a cob loaf. I tore right into it cause I was only wearing an easily washed salopette anyway and cobs are the best.

It's a shame that my city's harajuku picnics now only involve getting sweets.

>>10369095
yea imagine someone telling you "you are ugly" and you being stupid enough to be hurt by it.


I have no issues of people close to me telling me how it is. But dude, any random acquaintance unprompted? Naw

>>10369117
This. Exercise is great for your general health, but its effectiveness in weight loss is vastly overstated. For a lot of people it's counterproductive because it makes them think they can eat more because they "earned it". So they burned 250kcal in the gym and eat 500kcal dessert to celebrate.

>>10369216
The worst is the people who park a distance for a supermarket and buy sweets because that far spot adds so much more walking. There is also people thinking they gained muscle when the scale goes up while they are doing this. Calorie counting works better if you never give yourself more eatable calories form exercise.

>>10368952
Those tables are generally occupied by other people and even if you find one that’s available, it’s not enough to fit the large numbers of people that always flock to picnic meets.

I don’t even dislike picnic meets for the discomfort but for the type of people it attracts. They’re the cheapest possible meetup and often have no restrictions so you get all the cheap itas and non-lolita randos they can drag along with them. I’ve never been to a picnic meet where there wasn’t at least one furry, cosplayer or normie boyfriend who hated lolita and was very vocal about it.

>>10369240
Why do so many people insist on bringing their normie boyfriends to meets? They're not going to have fun and they're probably going to piss people off. How does this even happen?

>>10369243
they are probably jelly of the comm members with bfs who are into jfash themselves so they want to show off their own bfs since others bring theirs to meets. dressing up with your bf who is into jfash is fun, but don't bring them if they're just an accessory for you to brag about.

>>10369176
>Cob loaf
Hnnng I had to google it but wow

>>10368290
I'm not a fan of lolita potluck-style meets in general. Everyone in my comm seems to have a sky-high sugar tolerance compared to me and I'm the only person who brings anything savoury. I come out of those meets feeling like I'm about to go into a diabetic coma.

>>10369243
A lot of people are shy and meeting all new people alone is scary. And if they're new to j-fashion or their local community they may not have any friends interested in going with them.

>>10369260
I'm extremely shy too but I fail to see how having a grumpy neckbeard in a Marvel t-shirt would help me or anyone else make a good first impression on a comm.

>>10368024
>>10367986
As an oldschooler I agree. Most of them are in it not because they like the style but because it makes them feel speeshul. Brands still make oldschool style dresses but they chose to ignore it.

>>10369260
if you're that shy you won't do well in a comm to begin with.
it's been my experience that girls bring their normie bfs after they've gone to a few meets. and they're always soooo adamant that their bf looooves lolita and totes wants to be there and will dress up. but then they show up with a guy in office casual who sits around on his phone the whole time. bringing people who don't want to be there/aren't lolita because you're shy is definitely not acceptable, especially if it's to an event with limited space. take the time to get to know comm members online, or even at a local anime convention!

>>10369265
Part of the reason I buy old school items is because they fit me better than modern releases. If you look at releases by say, Baby or Moitie now, even if they're rereleases of old styles, they are often bigger in the bust and waist as well as longer.

>>10369267
Good point, but what is your measurements? My waist is 65 cm and my bust is 85 so I’m not a ana chan but I’m pretty small and I never had any problems with newer releases. Main reason for me to buy new is that most lolitas don’t know shit about caring their clothes so actual old pieces I buy always turn out to be in terrible condition though.

>>10369276
nayrt but what style are you in? My measurements are about the same (smaller bust though, maybe 82cm) and I would pretty much be swimming in new AP, for example. Classic isn't so bad though.

>>10369277
I wear more Baby than AP but I have AP and Moitie pieces too and they fit alright. Corset lacing and waist ties help a lot desu.

>>10369276
>>10369277
Different anon again with similar measurements. I’ve found that new OPs tend to be baggy in the waist and back shirring on JSKs literally hangs away from my body if there’s no corset lacing to tighten them with. I didn’t get the new Meta releases for that reason. Blouses and skirts are fine, but so many brands don’t make skirts anymore.

Brazilian lolitas are just as bad as Mexican lolitas.

>>10369311

This opinion is not unpopular, I agree

>>10369276
Ayrt, I'm around 81cm bust, 61cm waist. It's not like absolutelely all modern releases don't fit me, but most stuff without corset lacing is quite baggy and I simply don't like that look. Like >>10369288 said, blouses are usually fine, especially since they're often worn under things or tucked in. I also wish we
got more skirt releases, but for now, I try to buy mostly older pieces.

>>10369333
Nayrt, but we share the same measurements, and mostly new releases don't fit me at all, specially AP's non corseted ones. I've given up trying to fit JEtJ releases, and now I mostly rely on skirts.

>>10369331
>>10369311
any south/central american lolitas for that matter.

>>10369243
I would never bring a non lolita SO to a seated event taking a seat away from an actual comm member, but if we're going to a public arcade or a christmas market as a comm but everyone is kind of doing their own thing, those are more appropriate to bring your SO.

>>10369311
>>10369396
What's the problem with them?

>>10369454
They can't coord for shit and approve of replicas within their comms

>>10369259
holy shit i feel exactly the same. baking cookies is cute and all but they're supposed to be light snacks with the tea, not most of the course

>>10369454
>ita as fuck
>replicas
>whine about brand

>>10369263
I saw this Chinese lolita bring her normie bf to a ticketed event. The funniest part was that she had to translate everything she said to her Chinese friends back in English to him. I have no idea why she brought him to waste a spot at that event if he was just going to ignore everyone and couldn't join her conversations.

>>10369404
why? your comm members don't want to speak with your bf, they want to talk to lolitas. if you want to go on a date with your bf and hang out with him, just do that on your own.

>>10369484
this. most of the time lolitas with bfs will just disappear with them and not interact with the rest of the comm unless we're all bringing someone.

i hate the concept that lolitas = automatically not normie girls.
99% of lolitas are complete RIAJUU, they just don't wear normalfag clothing. big whoop. if you have a normal life and just happen to dress in a japanese street fashion, you are not different in an extreme sense.
i hate these newfags posting stuff like "i'm a lolita = i'm not a basic bitch! i'd hate to be boring like you NON-litas!"

to the people that put that in your captions and IG bios: you are the very things you supposedly can't stand. stop acting elitist and just post coords / give concrit / post itas & laugh at them. this isn't a deep hobby.

Lolita Challenges are a mistake and the majority of the participants are Ita/can’t dress themselves. Especially the current ones are highlighting how many lack the insight of what looks good and what doesn’t. It also highlights how much of a hugbox the community has become.

>>10369495
tbf this happens in most communities. KPop fans do this too, despite it being so huge. No one is really different or special, but people need to feel different somehow.

>>10369495
most lolitas i know have been -- or currently are -- massive weebs. collecting childrens' dresses for some niche japanese fashion is literally the opposite of Riajuu, it's otaku as fuck.

that said, i agree that flaunting it as if it makes you a special snowflake is embarrassingly immature

>>10369635
I don't know. So just collecting something that isn't deemed by society to fit with your role means you are not a normie?
I have met plenty of obsessive stamp collectors, train hobbyists, and, yes, lolita hoarders, who all are completely ""normal"". They're completely indistinguishable from the average Joe in terms of philosophy and opinions. The only difference *is* their hobby. Other than that? Nothing. I get what OP was saying.

>>10369243
i think that some of them just have boyfriends who don't like for their girlfriends to go out anywhere by themselves. my little sister just broke up with a guy like this- he'd insert himself into things he had no business or interest going to because he wanted to basically keep an eye on her. i would never bring my boyfriend to anything that wasn't related to a shared hobby or something more intended to be an open event like a renfaire or something.

>>10369638
>collecting something that isn't deemed by society to fit with your role means you are not a normie?

yeah, where have you been? being a normie doesn't mean you're a boring idiot, it means you are basic and only like socially acceptable things.

>>10369640
then explain why they always bring them as accessories to ticketed events like ILD and the like.

>>10369638
>obsessive stamp collectors, train hobbyists
these are prime examples of otaku hobbies lmao. these sorts of hobbyists are routinely poked fun at in the western media for being weirdos

>>10369495
>if you have a normal life and just happen to dress in a japanese street fashion, you are not different in an extreme sense.

Being in this fashion has warped your sense of reality. Most adult women stop wearing anything thats not jeans or khaki's the moment they turn 25. And then once they become moms, the jeans become leggings and sweatpants. Most people don't care or have any idea of fashion beyond what they see celebrities wear sometimes. High fashion to them is anything not at Walmart or Target.

Simply being interested in lolita fashion separates you from normies.

>>10369656
anon just sounds like she's coping because she wants to be normie. maybe someone made fun of her.

>>10369311
Racism but is with a commonly hated people so it's ok.

>>10369640
>i think that some of them just have boyfriends who don't like for their girlfriends to go out anywhere by themselves
I've definitely gotten this vibe from a few Meetup Boyfriends in my comm. It's creepy as fuck.

>>10369311
No idea about the lolitas, but Brazilian guys are cute

t. dating a Brazilian

>>10369509
Hard agree.

>>10369311
Yeah, I don’t agree with this. There are plenty of bad Brazilian lolitas but as a whole they are leagues better than Mexican lolitas (understandably, since Brazil is a lot richer and has a lower obesity rate than Mexico). The best Mexican lolita I can think of is @lucrezia.doll and she’s still pretty ita when it comes to accessorizing.

>>10369480
So...just like American Lolitas?

>>10369656
The whole world is not Bumfuck, Minnesota or whatever. Whenever I see amerifags posting this kind of thing I get depressed for you all

>>10369684
i think some of them are just so dependent on their girlfriends and have no friends of their own that they need to be babysat

>>10369089
Now that's the ultimate cringe

>>10369701
actually yes it is. minus a few big cities and metro areas, most places in america are like i described.

>>10367915
Lolita is hot and impractical especially in the South.

Anons who live in northern latitudes must be so lucky.

>>10369704
Yeah, everywhere in America, not the world. That’s why I said amerifags. You people are so solipsistic it’s amazing

>>10369713
It’s also impractical in cold and snowy places.
I’d pretty much given up on wearing lolita in the north, but I recently moved to California and now I can wear it almost every day, all year round.

>>10369288
I think the trend seems to be that they make the OPs baggy on purpose? From what I can tell the trend in China is to wear things huge so you look “uwu so cute n smol”

>>10369665
>thinking Brazil and Mexico are races

>>10369243
One of my comm members (who am I kidding, it was Dildo Chan) was banned from bringing her boyfriend to meets because he makes the comm super uncomfortable and then continued to bring him anyway despite the fact that he himself said lolita meets make him uncomfortable.

And then when they broke up for 5 minutes (she apparently threatened to OD on vallium until he took her back, I shit you not) she got pissy when comm members insulted him.

She's a train wreck of a human and they deserve each other

>>10369730
Was dildo-chan's bf a creeper? You said the comm feels uncomfortable when he's there? He must be really awful if he can somehow do that while also not wanting to be there.

>>10369699

are mexican-american lolitas just as bad??

>>10369770
They’re about as bad as Americans in general.

>>10369727
>what is latino

>>10369787
Brazilians aren't latino... they don't even speak spanish. Most of them are white, black or a mix of those two.

>>10369765
He's just kind of awkward to be around. He doesn't talk to anybody, he doesn't really get involved. He takes photos of his GF occasionally, that's about it. He brought a friend to a ticketed event once (friend didnt pay a cent, he snuck in through the back), and the friend kept making sexual jokes and sexist comments

>>10369787
>>10369805
The word Latino was literally invented to include Brazilians (as opposed to Hispanic, which means Spanish-speaking). But Latino is a culture group, not a race. They can be white, black, native or whatever else. Why do you think you have to check a box that says Latino/Hispanic or not, apart from race, when you fill out a form (in the US)

>>10369819
Half my family is from Brazil and not a single one considers themselves latino. Every Brazilian I know would find that classification offensive. Brazil itself doesn't even include that as an option on their census. Latino = based on Spanish and Native culture specifically.

>>10369819
You know that people from Brazil don't consider themselves latino, right? They use this term for the rest of the South America, not even Central

>>10369656
I imagine other areas of the world definitely do not have this point of view. But as an American? You're either normie in athleisure, you're really into fashion brands that are not leggings and sweats (The brands you'd see in outlet malls, for example), the person who doesn't go with fast fashion, or you're the minority into alt fashion.

Most people I know who are outside of alt fashion don't really care about their clothing, where it came from, whether it was ethically sourced or not.

It could be a part of our work culture too. Most of us work way more than other countries, for less. So we don't have the time or energy to put into maintaining a regular wardrobe. Sweats, leggings and athleisure aren't going out of fashion any time soon. So the items you buy now won't stand out like a sore thumb five years from now. Whereas whatever fast fashion trend will be old news in a year. Though, I would like to see more people supporting sustainable fashion brands, especially in the US.

We're also forgetting that Normie is more than just clothing, but also a mindset. Things like bossbabe pyramid scheme cults, starbucks, live laugh love, inserting 50 emojis, and a lack of common sense are kind of normie magnets. Most people who are into alt fashions were nerds and outcasts to begin with and usually have more than two brain cells to rub together. Though for some, we're talking like three.

Changing the name to something other than lolita really isn't as possible as everyone says and the Western community really should prioritize this. I'm sorry, but we can't really bitch about people getting the wrong idea about the fashion when it's fucking called "lolita". Changing the name has been discussed since before I started the fashion (2007) and it's always been the same excuse, even when there were only a couple thousand girls in the entire Western community and wouldn't have been difficult at all.

Another excuse I always hear is "even if it caught on in the Western community, it never would in the Asian community". I don't fucking care what they do. The Japanese lolitas already do things very differently than we do and are very much separate from us. It doesn't matter if they change it or not.

>>10369955
I agree. sick of seeing those adverts for the police every time I search anything related to lolita

>>10369480
>>10369311

It is because of the price of it. A simple AP dress is about 1-2 months of salary for most people. Imagine your burando costing $1500-$2500 each set and just the socks around ~$200

It is absurdely expensive for a latin/brazilian to buy lolita, thats why the resort to replicas

>>10369961
>adverts for the police every time I search anything related to lolita
wtf this is a thing??? (I use Ad Blocker so I've never had this happen)

>>10369955
Samefag, but that was supposed t be "impossible" not "possible".

>>10369127
I agree so much. Itas act like there's some kind of fascistic law book that we expect them to abide by, when it's really only a handful of expectations.

>>10369955
Yes please. I'm tired of the lolita fashion tag being banned everywhere

>>10369969
well its not my problem theyre poor lmao
if they had to choose food over dresses lmao poorfags PIGS countries it's not my fault they live in bad conditions bc of their kings lmao

>>10369999

>>10369970
Might be to do with your country because I also have adblock on and I get those notifications when I Google "lolita" too (I'm in the UK). It's basically just a note saying "just so you know child porn is illegal".

>>10369969
That's not a valid excuse in the slightest. There's plenty of decent affordable offbrand options that don't steal designs.

>>10369955
Agreed. Most lolitas I know are like
>if you can't deal with the negative attention of the name then this fashion isn't for you
but my style isn't remotely edgy and all my normie acquaintances like it, right up to the moment they find out what it's called. I've started telling people that my clothes are simply vintage or historically-inspired just to avoid the weird looks and uncomfortable conversations that always come with the name. I'm not ashamed of my style but I also don't think it makes me "weak" that I don't enjoy explaining to friends and coworkers that no I don't have weird fetishes, no my husband isn't a pedo and no I'm not just being naive.

I honestly really question why some people adamantly cling on to the name. Do they like the controversy?

>>10369997
This, plus I would really appreciate being able to browse relevant fashion tags without coming across porn.

>>10369955
On this point, it bothers me when lolitas try to act like the name is a TOTAL COINCIDENCE THOSE WACKY JAPANESE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A CUTE NAME GUIZ. I understand why people say that to normies, and of course the fashion was never meant to be sexual or anything to do with child porn, but it's dumb as hell to act like the two "lolita"s are totally unrelated. Japan has a different relationship with the word "lolita" to begin with and the fashion was founded by 1980s edgelords. Why kid ourselves? Let's stop wasting our breath defending the name and just change it.

>>10367915
I'm a huge weeb and I like talking about weeb shit with other lolitas

>>10370016
You cannot change the name of a fashion as a foreigner with no power or say. That is why the discussion is stupid. Brands and models will use lolita no matter what, calling it something else is being a coward.

Deal with the fact that its controversial and that lolita is meant to be abrasive.

>>10370016
I agree. I don’t think the original lolitas were pissing-in-the-streets type edgelords like certain baby oldschoolers seem to think, but there definitely was an element of ‘shocking the normies’ there just like there has always been with goth and punk. They probably picked it because it’s edgy and there’s an element of corruption of innocence. Anyone who genuinely believes it’s coincidental is an idiot.

>>10370026
Like >>10370016 says, why does Japan have to change for the west to? As I mentioned, they have a different relationship with the word. It doesn't really translate in the west and causes enough problems and confusion to warrant considering a change. Obviously it will never happen, but I'd be glad if it did.

>>10370028
Oops sorry, meant to quote>>10369955 instead of myself.

>>10369127
this. it's really not hard to put together a coord once you're aware of the rules.

>>10369266
I hate this so much, there's this one girl who always brings her annoying boyfriend to ticketed events. He's taking a spot form people I'd actually like to see.

>>10369495
That shit is so funny to me as someone who has lived an exciting life. Some of them talk about lolita as if it's the most interesting thing they've ever been part of.

>>10370035

It really is shocking how many rules people think lolita has?

Like, it's a basic formula: headwear, main piece (with blouse if JSK or skirt), legwear, petti, shoes, misc. accessories in varying quantity depending on substyle. It's really similar to putting together any normal outfit, you just have to have items in the appropriate styles and silhouette for the fashion.

>>10370035
>>10370053
This is pretty much how I feel. If you can dress yourself normally, you can dress yourself as a lolita once you know a little bit about the fashion. Most people who look bad in lolita look bad in normie clothes too.

>>10369641
because being a women into feminine shit is /so edgy/

>>10369495
Is this really an unpopular opinion? Most lolitas are normies and aren't trying to hide it. Nowadays just posting that wearing lolita twice a month is basically dressing up instead of wearing a fashion gets heaps of personally attacked upset replies. We've lost any alternative spirit we might have had ages ago.

>>10369656
Wherever you live sounds b-o-r-i-n-g. Being into lolita fashion does not make you interesting.

>>10369656
>Simply being interested in lolita fashion separates you from normies.
How so? Several normies like or are interested in one or two seperate less popular or unconventional things, how does that make them special? Hell, normies are usually interested when they see it for the first time. This is the lolita equivalent of true crime flakes.

>>10369665
newfag

>>10369713
>>10369716
>ree lolita is impractical I'm not smart enough to work around temperature extremes

>>10367986
>instantly coming to conclusion that they are trend-hopping.
Maybe because they weren't wearing it when it wasn't trendy and followed everything else that was "in" at the time instead, duh.

>>10368252
This

>>10369477
Ugh I always feel bad for this. I’m a fantastic baker and always am stuck between showing off and bringing some nice pastries or bringing meh savouries

>>10369642
i guess we'll just have to realize that my example referring to "some of them" was likely accurate and that neither of our narrow exposures represent every single woman on earth to ever bring her unpleasant boyfriend with her to an event. are you retarded or something? there can be more than one reason for things.

>>10369311
i disagree. the whole thing that makes mexicans so ita is their attempt at integrating aspects of mexican traditional dress into lolita. they're working with conflicting silhouettes, especially if they try to buy pettis and stuff locally- you could even consider mexican itas their own subtype because you can recognize they're mexican from the way that they're ita. BR itas are just regular itas that happen to live in brazil.

>>10370060
this, honestly. lolita isn't edgy. you could maybe argue that it's a little subversive in that it's sometimes femininity that doesn't pander to the male gaze, but that's a difficult take to adequately defend. Especially with all the DDLG/lolitas are lovelies/precious maid uwu shit that circulates around.

>>10370080
I forgive it if the baking really knocks it out of the park, but when everyone brings gross dry ass sugar cookies I am disappointed

>>10370080
For my comm, at least, I think it's an issue of poor organisation in terms of who's bringing what. If you're a great baker, by all means play to your strengths! But there are lots of people who just bring basic ass supermarket brownies and cookies when they know 4 other people are baking and there's no reason they couldn't just make some sandwiches.

>>10370080
bake savory stuff like mini quiche or something

>>10370120
honesty this, they'd be better off bringing deli counter mass produced mini-sandwiches or a fucking veggie tray. i've made normal people get far more excited than they should over a veggie tray and some drinks with actual cups.

Not a statement, but rather a question since the endless discussion has been brought up. Do we really need to shoo replica wearers away? Replicas are usually obvious when compared to real deal and do not have the same market value anyways, so people might eventually realize the appeal of real brand. Replica wearers pobably don't care enough about fashion, but I don't think someone may convince them otherwise. Same goes for poorly coorded looks. You can't convince someone to invest more effort into coord, it's not a job and people aren't getting payed for that.
Wearing replicas to brand tea parties should be prohibited tho.

>>10370149
yes. itas and replicafags need to be shamed until they leave or stop. they bring down the whole comm otherwise, then your comm ends up posted in ita threads constantly.

>>10370080
I say if you’re going to bring sweet pastries but they’re well made you’ll still be so much better than the shitty sane store bought cookies everyone brings. We all recognize the same shitty Safeway & Kroger cookies sold everywhere

>>10370026
People may set some conventional name for western segment like calling it "japanese street fashion" or something, it's still gonna be true. Remember how people from lj decided to celebrate lolita day twice a year. I don't think a lot of japanese lolitas even aware of that, but tradition got settled here. We can't rename the fashion for brands and japanese magazines, but pobably it's not even necessary there since the whole word "lolita" is received differently.
At another hand I don't even mind to keep it as is. I used to ignore another lolita and word is nice to pronounce.

>>10370149
Yes. Even aside from the replica = ita aspect, there is just really no good reason for anyone to buy a replica.

You shouldn't buy/wear replicas out of fear of getting posted to ita threads. You shouldn't get a replica because its utterly shameful to purposefully seek out a knockoff due to 'price/fit/whatever else' reasons you want to tell yourself makes it ok. Because its not, lolita has a lot of affordable brands/stores, a whole range of sizes and honestly I just can't fathom why someone would think its ok to buy a replica in the first place? Say you get one of the many Holy Lantern replicas, and you wear it to a meet. Personally I'd feel embarrassed af, like a fake among real lolitas. Replicas are just a big no imo and I don't even get why there should be another discussion of this. Just no

>>10370149
It's a fashion hobby, yes people who look like shit should be excluded.

>>10370092
>>10370120
>>10370154
Good to hear that my stuff isn't entirely unwelcome then! I brought pic related to the last meet before quarantine
>>10370121
This is a good idea too! I'll use quarantine as an opportunity to improve my savoury baking

>>10370052
Same. For many of the girls in my comm it literally will be. I feel bad for them. But then again they use all of their opportunities to travel just to go to Lolita events or cons and when they travel to somewhere like Japan all they seem to do is go shopping. So they have the ability to lead more interesting lives, their pathetic asses just don’t choose to

>>10369969
Idk how do I feel about underprivileged people. I do feel sorry for lolitas who's not able to afford things, although even lolitas with all taobao wardobe are privileged because they can afford unnecessary things.

>>10370198

Replicas aren't even that cheap a lot of the time. If they were really underprivileged they wouldn't have time to host meetups and money to spend on stolen artwork and designs. There is a difference between being poor and cheap. You can be one and not the other and Brazil has a huge wealth disparity so being even able to afford any lolita, even taobao puts them either far ahead of many Brazilians financially, or makes them financially irresponsible in which case they should get into lolita later when they can afford it.

>>10369955
Maybe we could collective change our hashtags to "rorita". To japs they're basically interchangeable, but in english they're different enough that it would keep out fetishists from the community. It's not like people don't say shit like "gosurori" already

>>10370249
i've already made the switch to rori for years because i'm a little apprehensive about how the word lolita showing up thousands of times in my message history looks to the FBI or whatever

>>10370249
I was going to suggest this too.

>>10370071
true crime is extremely normie to be into. some of the most popular series on netflix are true crime docs. meanwhile almost no normies i meet know about lolita

>>10370086
i mean lolita can still be edgy, even though it shows femininity. pic related. problem is that now people allow kinks "as long as they're in the bedroom" instead of outrighting shaming them for being disgusting.

My unpopular opinion is that I am embarrassed to be around most sweet lolitas. I love my friends who wear it but they get all the negative attention which is exhausting.

>>10370249
People already do that in my comm but it's a small comm and most of us don't speak English

>>10370266
do you go out in groups? i tend to get negative attention if i'm in a group of 2+ in sweet but overwhelmingly positive if i'm alone or with normies

>>10370160
THIS. people always ask me, why is lolita so gatekept, but it really isn't. It's a fashion subculture. If you aren't wearing it fully or correctly and you're not interested in fixing that, gtfo.

>>10370220
people who have never been really poor fail to understand this. If someone is actually poor they aren't buying clothes outside of utility. Replica itas are either cheap or fat as fuck. They want the clout for owning a piece that they can't afford rather than looking good in something they can.

>>10370294
big yes. When I was a broke fuck but wanted to wear lolita so badly; I didn't go for cheap milanoo shit. I waited until I got a better job and was finally getting my shit together.

>>10370302
Same here
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Honestly though, why not just wait until you can afford the real thing or get your stuff from indie brands/taobao that are cheaper or run in larger sizes. It's at least SOMETHING until you lose weight or have more money.

Being fat or poor is never an excuse to buy replicas.

>>10370302
Theres cheap shit that isn’t replica too like

People are just retarded

I think a lot of kink aesthetics blend super well with gothic lolita and the problems with ero aren't that people wanna be visibly kinky, but that they don't have any sense of taste or style to incorporate it well.

>>10370335
i really don't know why people are so insistent in mismatching their kinkshit with sweet when it can genuinely work with gothic. and i've seen women in the ita threads with some of the worst, most unflattering harnesses/ropework i have literally ever seen. the issue with some seems to be that they're engaging with lolita as an extension of their kink and a lack of genuine interest in the fashion and coording

90% of making a "proper" lolita coordinate is just achiving a good silhuette and following basic things about colour in clothing, that at least in my country were told to me since I was a child (usually max. 3 colours). Lolitas who have good coords and wear it often never say it's difficult. If someone says that "lolita is a really difficult fashion to put together" then I immediately assume they're either itas or snowflakes who are in the fashion just for it being special.

>>10370302
Before I was in a position where I could justify buying lolita, I never, not for one second wanted to buy a replica. My mentality was: if I was going to devote time, energy and money towards this goal, I wanted to do it properly. Replicas aren't doing it properly.
Was a jealous as fuck of girls who could drop $$$ on every new release? Yes! And I still wish I had that kind of wallet, but sometimes you have to work for a goal. That's just how it is.

>>10369656
lol imagine being this America-centric.... can’t relate, most people still know what fashion is in Europe

>>10370357
Being an american I can't relate either. It could just be my area compared to anon's, but people dress in all sorts of ways here. Wearing sweatpants and whatever else happens, but it's not the norm here, either.

My unpopular opinion is that if you're a female who shows up to a meetup wearing a pink OP, heels, makeup, and a lapel pin that says "He/Him", I'm gonna call you "she." Genderspecial snowflakes need to get over themselves and stop LARPing as gay men to get attention. Transgenderism shouldn't be treated like a fashion trend that insecure girls use to be edgy.

>>10370333

Yeah and buying lolita secondhand can be cheap AF especially if you like sweet, aren't picky, and have patience.

>>10370361
I'm glad all these extraneous genders exists because it helps you know who to avoid.

>>10370302
Honestly same. I quit lolita the first time around partially because my line of thinking was that if it wasn't moitie, i want no part in it.

>>10370007
>>10370153
>>10370157
>>10370220
>>10370333
>>10370310
This is the UNPOPULAR OPINION thread, you fucking spergs.

I'll never understand why people obsess over what others do what their money, or why you assume those other people will care what you think. Protip: they don't care and will continue to do as they like despite any shaming or bullying.

>>10369828
Yeah, but in Brazil they also call themselves white if their skin is lighter than a lunch bag, even if they’re 1/2 African. Not that there’s anything really wrong with that, but Brazil has a pretty unique attitude towards race and it has no impact on the terminology of other places, especially not the word Latino, which was invented in the US to classify Americans/immigrants

From wiki: “Latino includes Brazil, Hispanic usually does not. Conversely, Hispanic includes Spaniards, whereas Latino does not.”

>>10370368
Wiki is wrong then. Calling a Brazilian latino or a Spaniard hispanic will get you punched in the face. They do not want to be associated with those groups.

I hate wearing lolita as part of a comm. When I wear it on my own I’m just a person wearing a cute outfit, but in a group I feel like I’m part of a cult made up of fetishists and weirdos.

>>10370361
You do know most trannies are AGP sissies right?

>>10370367
>they don't care and will continue to do as they like despite any shaming or bullying
from what ive seen, shaming and bullying has made people delete their posts or even leave the fashion

they're not saying you can't do what you want with your money. they're just saying it's retarded to splurge it on cheap shit that makes you look like an ugly ita rather than save up and wait.

>>10370385
most of my comm is fine but i absolutely hate seeing the sissy and having normies associate me with that mess.

>>10370393
People just wise up and don't wear the reps to meets or post the pics online. They still buy and wear them.

If lolita was a bigger hobby, there would be entire rep communities like we see in normie high fashion and BJD. But it's too small to branch off, so people just hide it instead. Either way, they're not going to stop doing what they want.

>>10370395
banning them from our comms absolutely discourages people. if we didn't, itas would be buying them way more than they do. just because some itas want to look like cheap tacky trash doesn't mean the rest of us need to give them asspats for ripping off our favorite brands

>>10370386
Yes and I don't like them either.

Been in latin america for a long time
>>10370374
>>10369828
Actually the thing with Brazilians not wanting to be associated with spaniards is all about the language and not the race itself. It triggers a Brazilian if you start speaking spanish with them.

>>10370220
It is not just that simple.
In Brazil, pay is extremely cheap, but the price of local stuff also is. They are poor to buy anything imported, because outside Brazil, that money is worthless when converted to USD. Inside the country, on the other hand, you can have a pretty decent life and normally host meetups and buy from local indie (they exist).

>>10370399
You may think that, but it really doesn't discourage anything. Your judgment does nothing except make them not wear reps to meets or post pics online. If the other hobbies I mentioned are anything to go by, shaming just makes people want to buy reps even more.

>>10370431
>Being latin
What it feels like to be in a 3rd world country? Serious question
Also if you all are so poor that cant buy brand you cant be considered lolita imo

>>10370439
...no anon that's not how it works.

>>10370444
>what it feels like to be in a 3rd world country?
sounds like you might be from one yourself given that you're illiterate and genuinely believe that "third world country" is a meaningful term. i forgot lolita was about brand loyalty rather than silhouette and quality.

>>10370431
exactly, i live in southern chile and most people are living fairly well on incredibly low incomes because things around here are just cheaper in general.

>>10370431

If local indie exists and everything local is cheap it is still not that complicated to see how people should buy from local indie rather than replicas. Or make it themselves if they have the skill. Or be patient and save. Or just...not try to wear clothes they can't afford.

If they can afford replicas in spite of exchange rates though, which are from China and would still be imported and not cheap, they can afford brand secondhand or even firsthand if they saved longer.

Being well off inside your country but poor in comparison to other places doesn't excuse art theft and one replica can often be more than one secondhand brand piece. I understand what you're saying on the note of meetup and all but having weak currency doesn't negate contributing to theft and dilution of quality in a fashion that these people supposedly love and appreciate.

>>10370439
it does tho lmao. never heard of peer pressure?

>>10370474
don't think that anon was excusing buying replica or suggesting that it was normal where they live

>>10370458
That's what I've seen both in other hobbies and in this one. Reps are still selling pretty well in this hobby so... what do you think it has accomplished exactly? Other than people not publicly showing them off.

>>10370478
>thinking "peer pressure" works on full grown adults
Are you literally 15?

>>10370482
the benefit IS that you don't have to see people proudly flaunting their garbage replicas at meets or whatever; i think that's benefit enough. peer pressure, in this way, does actually work. even if their core behaviors don't change, they think twice about where they reveal the behavior because they want to avoid negative social responses.

>>10370482
in what world do you live when people in a fashion comm don't care about what their comm members think? of course peer pressure works on adults, retard.

>>10370508
Uhh how about the various normie high fashion reps comms that have loterally hundreds of thousands of members? It really doesn't work at all, sorry.

>>10370508
Uhh how about the various normie high fashion reps comms that have literally hundreds of thousands of members? It really doesn't work at all, sorry.

>>10370512
why are you ignoring the fact that cheap fast fashion stores that sell bootlegs like F21 and primark constantly get pressured into removing them?

>>10368270
you can do this anon, it’s so worth it

Skirts are better than dresses a good 70% of the time.

Cutsews are over priced.

Classic and Gothic lolitas need to start wearing more earrings and rings that aren't plastic. Go thrifting or something, gulls! There's a world of marquise cut gems out there.

>>10369955
you're absolutely correct.

>>10370514
How does that change the fact there are huge rep comms and that none of them care about peer pressure because they are adults?

>>10370524
there's a reason that people who support replicas stay in their own communities, they get shamed by the rest of the world. why do you think normies buy replicas they are trying to pass off as real? the stigma. there's not a single person i know IRL in any hobby, normie or weeb or whatever, that supports replicas or bootlegs of any kind. but keep believing that it's normal, anon. you're sounding more and more like a butthurt replica-chan wanting validation.

>>10370528
Ok, anon. Ignore the fact that hundreds of thousands of people support reps/don't care about pressure, and keep thinking your circle of IRL friends is a better sample. Reps exist in every hobby and rarely does anyone care much about their existence. Lolitas such as yourself are just especially autistic. Congrats.

>>10370535
even more would support reps if they were openly accepted by comms. banning them makes them frowned upon. people don't want to be frowned upon. it's not that complicated lmao.

>>10370535
>Reps exist in every hobby and rarely does anyone care much about their existence.
What? Authenticity matters a ton in every fashion community and lolita is no different. They literally sell certificates of authenticity for high end bags.

Are you Chinese or something? That's the only reason I could imagine you think off-brand garbage is normal.

>>10370385
I feel this way too and I feel really guilty about it. I like most everyone in my comm but I'm a shy person and I can't stand the attention that comes with being in a large group of frilly weirdos. And being honest, as lovely as they are, some of the girls in my comm are super, super loud and tend to look like they're wearing costumes, which doesn't help.

>>10370539
The difference is that most other hobbies don't sperg and rage about reps like lolitas do. Even when they don't approve of reps, they aren't chasing down rep buyers and lecturing them about morals. They mind their own business.

That is a weirdly racist assumption, anon. Rep comms are most popular with white people, actually.

>>10370560
My comm is an eyesore and I stopped going to meets because of it.

>>10370566
It sounds like aren’t actually in any other hobbies that focus on goods.

Toy collecting, comic book, any handmade arts community, and hell, even the fucking gun community explode over knock offs and chase them out. You just don’t see it because you’re probably not involved with any of these or others.

Most Taobao main pieces look costumey to me, especially the prints. I can't 100% put my finger on why, but I think it's because the fabric quality just isn't there. It's often worse than the fabric quality of bog-standard normie clothes, making the wearer look like they're wearing more of a costume than an actual outfit. It can be overcome with skilled coording but even that's rare.

I doubt this one is unpopular but it’s really been getting on my nerves lately. I wish other newbie lolitas would stop expecting to be fucking spoon fed all the time and actually do some research on the fashion.

Every time I get the groups it’s just other newbs asking the same simple ass questions, “where can I get a petticoat” “where can I buy lolita” wah wah wah. I wish mods would just start deleting those questions or just pin a spreadsheet. So many people are just expecting more experienced lolitas to put their cords together for them and it’s so..cringeworthy. Other lolitas should help guide us for not do everything. Why is no one doing the most basic fucking research anymore?

>>10370015
>>if you can't deal with the negative attention of the name then this fashion isn't for you
I fucking hate it when people say this, it's absolutely ridiculous. How is it unreasonable not to want people to assume you have some kind of fucked up jail bait roleplay fetish?

Not to mention, a lot of girls get into the fashion when they're underage (I was 14 when I started). An argument can be made that it's kinda important we change the name if for no other reason than to protect the minors in the community from perverts. When I was underage and didn't understand what "lolita" meant outside the fashion, I would put I was a lolita on my Tumblr and got men in their 20's and 30's messaging me with the clear intent of having sexual communication with me. I've seen plenty of others saying the same has happened to them.

>>10370367
they can keep doing whatever they want, they just can't sit with us.

>>10370474

>If local indie exists and everything local is cheap it is still not that complicated to see how people should buy from local indie rather than replicas.

Smarter and better connected lolitas do that. If you go to the Brazilian version of Lolita Sales, you can find many good indies and secondhand. Still very expensive for them though.

>Or be patient and save.
It is not just that simple. One girl for example sold almost the entire wardrobe just to buy their dream AP set, which was ~1700 BRL. Used. Would you spend $1700 in an generic used AP dress, even if you had the money?

Many of the girls there do that though. Especially the richest ones or the most aficionado ones. But for most of them, that is just crazy.

And for many of you too. Imagine you all if each set costed $1500-$2500. Or if you had to spend $200 just on the socks. Would you buy it still?

>Or just...not try to wear clothes they can't afford.

It is not that simple also because you want to get there and participate. For that you need a clothing piece. I guess that is because many of them resorts for replicas. Or cheap F21 (that is incredibly expensive there)

>Being well off inside your country but poor in comparison to other places doesn't excuse art theft and one replica can often be more than one secondhand brand piece. I understand what you're saying on the note of meetup and all but having weak currency doesn't negate contributing to theft and dilution of quality in a fashion that these people supposedly love and appreciate.

I agree that replicas are usually crap, but for many, what other options are there? Especially for a least experienced girl. Imagine a replica costing as many as an original branded (sometimes firsthand) dress. Many buy them because the pics look good and then they get scammed with a crappy thing.

>>10370754
>>What other options are there?
How about not wearing a fashion they can't afford. No one is entitled to lolita

>>10370482
>thinking the opinions of the group at large don't effect the individual regardless of age

>>10370367
>Not a statement, but rather a question

didn't get the responses you wanted, nonny?

>>10370754
Replicas are often made by cheap Chinese knock off companies and can be found on random web searches and eBay. You can also buy generic non-replica dresses from the same cheap Chinese companies through the same search methods. You can buy literally the same thing without it being theft to someone else’s art or designs. The options are so vast in comparison to buying a replica, don’t act like it’s the only choice for these people.

>>10370797
nayrt, but it's not.
While a great deal of the Brazilian community do condone replicas, they do not take any real measurements as to ban them. Replica-chans are just entitled, like every else in the world, and buy replica as if it were a "right" they detain for being fat or poor.

And this discourse is thoroughly supported by stupid "uwu let's accept everyone" people on the Facebook.

>>10370566
i'm in some other collector hobbies and they definitely sperg and rage about replicas in exactly the same way. if anything lolitas are nicer about it than other groups. i've seen effay get in worse vitriolic shitfests over ugly ass cotton t-shirts than we do over imported burando, and their board culture hardly supports making an ethical argument, so they really just creatively call each other fags for 300 posts.

>>10370652
because people started offering them a fucking bib and saying "here comes the airplane" instead of telling them to fuck off and lurk moar. something something normies REE

>>10370807
anywhere else*

>>10370754

I guess you missed my point; replicas DO cost as much as a used original brand dress half the time, especially if purchasing from a taobao reseller which many people often get their replicas from. Even if you convert currencies, unless Brazil's money somehow has a better conversion rate with Yuan (assuming they're invoiced in Yuan if they bought taobao or something), the pricing still works out for you to buy used brand if you really wanted to not support replica makers.

>What other options are there?
The local indie, secondhand brand, and Chinese indie everyone has mentioned. Not to mention handmade; many handmade items can be really great if people have the patience to learn to do it well. Price is not the issue here unless you compare the lowest tier replicas to new brand. But brand replicas can often cost more than original art from Chinese shops because they know you want the look of a print or specific item.

Or as >>10370797 said, buying original Chinese/Local Indie instead of stolen designs. And as >>10370758 said, they want to participate, the key word being WANT. Not HAVE to participate.

I wouldn't spend $1700 on lolita unless I really had the money, but I wouldn't buy knockoffs either. If the barrier of entry for clothing to participate in a completely optional luxury fashion was that high where I lived, I'd just look at photos from afar and not wear it.

>>10370814
this. the main reason many of those girls buy replicas is cause they don't fit the brand.

>>10369969
This. I’m from a shit poor European country and most people make 400-500 usd a month. I’m slightly more privileged so I can afford brand but most of my friends think even Bodyline is expensive. And honestly I can’t blame them.

>>10370367
>I'll never understand why people obsess over what others do what their money
Because art theft is bad?

>Protip: they don't care and will continue to do as they like despite any shaming or bullying.
That's nice, but that doesn't mean we have to keep our mouths shut about why replicas are trash when they post to our communities looking for validation they don't deserve.

(not sure if this opinion is really as unpopular as I think it is?)

I think facial piercings don't look good with lolita, same goes for very visible tattoos (even if they're cutesy stuff like Rilakkuma or whatever).

>>10370819
>>10370820
Then they should buy original offbrand pieces that fit them/are within their budget. It is really not that hard.

We're talking about a luxury fashion, not something they need to live. Being poor or fat does not entitle you to supporting stolen designs.

>>10370825
Is this unpopular? I'm heavily tattooed and try to wear long sleeves or boleros as much as possible for this reason. With gothic it doesn't look out of place, but it clashes like crazy with sweet.

I think with facial piercings, it depends how noticeable they are. A little nose or lip stud doesn't draw the eye enough to make a ifference, but when you have a full face of rings it just doesn't look good with lolita at all.

>>10370832
I think it’s honestly a pretty popular opinion in the community. I actually like piercings and tattoos in lolita, but I agree that there is a limit. Some styles it will clash with no matter what, and sometimes it just distracts from the coord, but when tastefully done I think it adds a lot of personality to a coord.

99% of lolitas look like shit. Only I, the eternal armchair lolita, am a true scion of Mana.

>>10370832
I guess it depends on the comm, a friend of mine has a sweet lolita in her comm who has cheek piercings a heavily stretched septum that she refuses to take out or replace with an invisible stud. Both makes her automatically look ita although the coord itself is fine ...

>>10370825
I guess it depends on the person's style and the amount, generally I'm not against them but while I think a few facial piercings can look good with gothic, any at all would look awful with sweet.
A friend of mine has a sweet lolita in her comm who has cheek piercings a heavily stretched septum that she refuses to take out or replace with an invisible stud, although she gets this as concrit all the time. It just makes her automatically look ita although the coord itself is fine ...

>>10370840
*and a heavily stretched septum

>>10370829
I wasn’t talking about replicas, just confirming that most people in the lolita community are too privieged to understand how poor some countries are.

>>10370566
people who support replicas usually don't show up to meetings for expensive handbag collectors and try to pass their shit off, this comparison makes no sense.

>>10370566
what the fuck are you talking about? you sound like someone who has no experience in any fashion or hobby outside of lolita. people who wear counterfeits are uniformly ridiculed. it's also not a racist assumption if you know basically anything about the chinese counterfeit industry, especially with regards to handbags and watches

It seriously baffles me how the discussion about replicas is still going and re-appears in every single one of these threads. Art theft is bad and nobody should support it at all or even think about supporting it in any form, it's common sense and everyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

>>10370868
That's called your personal opinion.

>>10370868
I doubt the sperging replica-chan itt is wearing lolita, they sound so uninformed about the community that they might as well have discovered it a week ago.

>>10370967

That is called a fact.

Art theft =stealing.

Stealing=bad without real justification.

Being fat/poor does not make stealing good or justify it.

>>10370967
>art theft is bad is your personal opinion
I mean opinions aside it's illegal, but ok

>>10370028
I think calling it Alice style in the west would be the closest in meaning to the Japanese name but with a lot less baggage attached and still adequately edgy.

>>10370028
>>10371498

I think some few Japanese girls did try calling it alice-kei, Alice Deco being the magazine for that.

Then, the whole thing where "lolita" gets censored and groups taken down was actually good timing since a lot of girls on tumblr switched to tagging it with egl or eglfashion, it almost became our alternate fashion name.

Painful truth is, I think the newbies still find their way into the fashion by looking up "lolita". It's probably the reason why the fashion sticks around for so long, the name is so well-known and so controversial it just keeps circling around back. Then, there's also the thirsty famewhores who could have tagged all their nicest coords as #egl #eglfashion but if you want more attention you definitely have to tag it #lolita. Between the two I guess we're stuck with this name.

>>10367915
Dresses look excellent, feminine, cute, sweet, pure, innocent, kawaii.

But the girls not...

>>10367987
honestly the most natural looking wigs i have gotten are from lockshop or arda wigs. for arda don't buy any of their silky wigs & the shade champagne is best for natural looking blonde.