/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

wrt the last thread, I think Mystiq Wish handled the situation really well. They're using their platform to highlight black idols in the community and linking to donations/petitions rather than just posting a black square and calling it a day. Their leader seems like she's mature and well informed.

>>10406843
I agree. They were very willing to learn and it looks like they want to do better. I think we should give them a change to grow.

>>10406872
wrong group but you’re right

Has anybody seen the update from london idol festival? They’re doing a virtual idol festival too but it’s part of a three day virtual con, which sounds really exciting!!

>>10406812

Can anyone give a low down of events that are still happening this year, virtual or otherwise? It seems like everything is super cancelled, since events even in August are being cancelled right now.

>>10407008
I think the only definite ones we can say are virtual

> Shining Idol Fest
> Idol Festival (the one recently shared)
> Cocoaidoru cafe: Chocolate Idol Showcase
> Virtual Idol Festival

>>10406812
I've seen this soloist, but I have yet to hear her original music, just covers. Is she any good?

Also it's really kind of nice to see the community come together to support the black idols, I didn't know there were so many!

>>10407053
I really like her original music! She does it all herself, so it isn't as polished and professional as others, but she has a really soothing voice and her songs are endearing because there's a lot of love and effort put into them.

>>10407004
Who do you want to see perform?

>>10407062
I'll have to check her out then. She looks a bit awkward, but for some reason it's almost adorable... Almost.

>>10407114
I wanna see Melancholiaah and Paida desu..... Maybe Parfait Party too!

>>10407162
Did you hear anon? Paida recently joined an idol group!

has anyone heard anything from mimi’s new group?

>>10407525
So what does this mean for the MySta audition? She can’t do both if she passes so did she drop out?

>>10407664
Nah I think she’s going to still audition. She’s made no mention of dropping out on her stories or posts so far

>>10407559
Nothing apart from they aren’t posting this week to support Black Lives Matter. I assume they are working on their debut still, though. That and the storyline they mentioned.

>>10407664
It's common that idols do auditions for bigger companies while in a chika group. The talent agency this group is under is made for gaijin talent and may have loose contracts to allow bigger opportunities.

>>10407671
Yeah, I was a little surprised to see it was under a talent agency! It does kinda just look like a weeb fan project right now, but that's presumably cause they don't have much group content yet and are just showing off cosplays and stuff. I'm excited to see what they're able to do with an agency and management.

Anybody realize how Queen’s Future Idols has two groups for Shining Idol Fest? Not hating but, doesn’t it seem a little unfair to have the same people twice? I don’t mean this to sound rude.

>>10407525
she's just auditioning in a contest you autist

>>10408170
I’m not talking about mysta. She joined another group.

>>10408170
lmfao you really thought you got everyone with that comment huh

>>10408172
The group is called Amaterasu Girls. everyone can find it out on instagram

>>10408168
i definitely agree. they turned away some really good acts for...Queen's Future Idols x2???
at least they actually have a decent lineup this time. the good seems to outweigh the...less than ideal acts.

>>10408168
I saw that too and was both confused and agitated. Isn’t it like an unspoken rule that if one group unit performs, the subunits can’t?

>>10407004
Is anyone gonna audition for London Idol Festival?

>>10408192
>>10408244
i don't want to see subunits personally. these kinds of events are for showcasing many different groups. if i like one of them i can look up the subunits myself. but most of the time subunits are too similar to the main group.

>>10408277
agreed

>>10408277
You know what else I don’t want to see?
Five love live cosplay groups in one effing showcase.
That is four too many.

>>10408433
yes.

>>10408433
YESSSS THANK YOU!!! EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT!

>>10408433
It seems like the love live boom is dying out. What do you expect will be the near future? Do we think there will be more original style groups/performers or more cosplay of different idol anime besides Love Live? I haven't seen many idol anime cosplayers as big as Love Live, but I don't follow too many cosplayers these days in general.

>>10408270
Me! I think it’s going to be really smooth considering the host is employed as a presenter by the company

Recent events have made me want to create a playlist of videos by/featuring black overseas idols, odorite, and utaite:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfmgukQM2isWdLAkoFl0hR7KY1iUvM5Fq

>>10404789
22 Person Collab - Sunny Days! (iMarine Project)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbTG6wVEI_A

Heidi - Heidi's OnLive! Livestream Concert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKDFwig6ceQ

Kuro Hime - Matsu Dake (Original) [Premieres June 12th]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_cozuwkY28

Mae-Gwyn of Daijoubu Idols - Senbonzakura (Kurousa-P)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m17WswVyJ7s

Pipa Piparminttu x Kurisu - Perfect Life (NayutanAlien)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta92eYMig5U

Secret Chu - Live Performance @ Sydney Madfest 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV0ZiaCExIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHhn1-YLun8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6TZzkwvLCU

Seishun Youth Academy - Seishun*Wasshoi! / Live Performance @ Powell Street Festival (SeiSHUN Gakuen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxHg3x1Cnp4

ShiRo - Bloom / snowmelt Version (Original)
English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGfTQDgkdDc
Japanese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwBmJPc8Rgc

ShootingStar Idols - Chasing Dragons / Acoustic Version (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X2QKbX4G1c

Sunmy of Yorokobi STEP! - Kawaiku Naritai (HoneyWorks)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XHsri8znuY

>>10408484
They close tomorrow and on Monday they will start announcing the performers.

>>10408270
I did, I really hope I get in.

>>10408470
It looks like idolm@ster is slowly taking its place. I mean I personally would like to see these groups get away from 2D idols and try some other groups. I may be a minority tho.

>>10408470
Most of the groups around me are changing to Male 2D idol series (mostly Idolish7 and Enstars) and original idol groups. I feel like an outlier when I say I don't hate love live. I'm glad to see more diversity, though.

>>10408649
It’s not that we H A T E Love Live per se.... Ok I hate love live..... it’s just irritating to hell when everyone is compared to that gateway hellhole. I mean look under the CIN ad for their festival. Someone said they all look like a love live group when it’s clear they’re all soloists/ in a group that doesn’t involve muse or aquors

>>10408649
I actually love love live (lol) but I'm tired of seeing performances from. At least with original concepts, even if the person isnt as good as the original, it's still different and more interesting to me. And it doesnt look good to me unless it's a full group and it's rare to get 9 very good dancers actually together.

>>10408649
I noticed that too with the male idol anime series. I'm really not a huge fan over girls cosplaying as guys unless it looks really convincing, so I'm barely keeping track of any if that.

>>10408577
Have you heard anything back yet?

>>10408509
who cares.

>>10408684
I agree with this anon, I love LL but there are WAY too many Love Live groups. I'm hoping it's finally time for Overseas Idols to actually have their moment.

>>10408649
At least people seem to now be cosplaying characters and series they like more. Let’s hope for continued diversity in series cosplayed. ~~~

>>10408470
I see the next big boom coming from kpop idol covers. They're already a regular presence in a lot of convention parking lots as random danceoffs, the only thing missing is performer groups organizing together. Then again maybe the kpop culture doesn't lend itself to the same kind of "idol personality", even though they have some similar elements?

>>10408735
Kpop it's hard to find official instrumentals unlike with jpop where you get official instrumentals with almost every single release. So singing and dancing (what makes a person an idol) is hard with kpop. Unless you commission someone for an inst.

>>10408759
Also theres the idea that you cant be an idol unless you underwent training and are backed by a company. Do spring up out of nowhere saying "I'm an idol" with your song and dance covers as a nobody will make you a laughing stock for kpop fans. People arent event considered idols if they're training, they're just "trainees." You're nothing til you debut really. That high production value doesnt lend well to an indie or small scene. You also dont wanna pull a KAACHI.

>>10408763
Does korea really have no self-produced or indie idols? That's kinda sad, that there's no grassroots culture.

>>10408779
There probably are indie music scenes, but "idol" in korea us the culmination of a fashion team, music team, marketing team, beauty team, and management to form a person that's almost rendered as "perfect" a model citizen to society. So with that in mind, it's hard to develop that on your own.

>>10408794
There's rookie groups though that come from small companies, so that's the closest thing. BTS apparently came from a company that was going bankrupt at the time.

>>10408710
Not yet....

>>10408509
So is Secret Chu still together?

>>10408779
kpop can get government funding. most big companies have it. idols in japan are a certain kind of entertainer not like pop stars or divas or seiyuu. they generally regarded as being for otaku men but there is a lot of sisterhood and female bonding experiences so it's appealing to girls and women. kpop stars are closer to japanese pop stars more than anything else.

>>10408839
yeah even idol fans will look at k-pop and say their idols are more like "artists." The reality show Produce 48 pretty much brought the two worlds together.

Another note too is that in Japan, it seems that people are idols for a finite amount of time until they graduate to go into another field. K-pop idols do their work in their groups but over time the group dissolves or becomes irrelevant and the members either stay active in showbiz or just disappear. But I see some idol groups in Japan changing that like CY8BER doesn't seem to have a graduation system and seem to operate like a "normal" group.

>>10408897
Sorry, not "idol fans" I mean to say *Japanese idols themselves lol

>>10408734
I agree. I hope more groups do things they enjoy instead of whatever's trending. Then again, I'm personally a fan of enstars so I'm happy to see it get more recognition in the west lol

>>10408822
No. They are on “hiatus” but one member is staying the group

will julia’s new group ever update? I feel like she’s doing everything besides the group. I do wonder how many applicants she got since she moved over there

>>10408509
Why is SYA not super popular? Out of every overseas group, they’re the best by miles. I noticed today they don’t have a very big social media following... Any reason for that, or are overseas idols really THAT niche?

>>10409098
Maybe both?

I know they have a couple of songs that are nice, but personally I can only listen to them for so long.
Alternatively, what we do is pretty niche, and though they reach out and try to get themselves out there, they may not get many gigs just because they may not pull in crowds in some settings?

>>10409098
Ironically, SYA have less chance to go “big” than some of the less experienced soloists. They’re amazing and inspiring for a lot of us sure, but they follow the “idol” rule too much for the general public to be interested. Whereas if you compare to someone like Melancholiaah for example, people who aren’t interested in idols might find her music interesting.

>>10409056
Dude chill lol, Julia is literally living out of a hotel right now while she transitions from moving to one state to another, and she's slowed down posting on even her personal account, and probably the group account, to give some space for the BLM movement to be seen. Two weeks without posting doesn't mean Resoluscia is kill.

Please just leave Julia alone. It’s just a group for gods sake, the world sucks right now.

I wish there were more Western idols that recognized the toxicity of idol culture in Japan instead of idealizing it. I think It’s possible to criticize it while still enjoying it, but It’s almost like people forget how gross the industry is as a whole.

>>10409153
As long as theyve been around, their image has been really stagnant as well. That inability to change and reinvent themselves every now and then is what makes me think they wont get too big. I want them to do well, but they're not doing much to keep my interest in for long after the initial debut of theirs.

Also, musically, they're not offering something that's really that new ir fresh or even really that current. Normies will call it dated.

>>10409293
I think most people dont even realize that the whole thing is exploitation of young girls/women who dont have agency and dont understand the implications of some of the concept that management gets them into.

People say Japanese idol is more cute and innocent than kpop, but the cute and innocent thing is what gets people off. Those japanese wota dont want someone that's slutty but rather someone who wouldnt know how sex works so they could be easily dominated in fantasies.

>>10409330
>>10409293
I think it's also time to recognize the toxic elements equally exist in male idols. All the scandals in Johnny's and Visual Kei, to begin with. In the fanbase of boydols as well, there is also a "getting off" on the performers being cute and innocent and single, as well as cultures of infantilizing them into roles similar to cute puppies or almost mother-child perspectives.

>>10409330
Sorry to being Love Live into this, but this makes me realize how great it is that they introduced a character like Karin from PDP. They also allow Mimorin to perform even though she’s married. I really applaud them for breaking the mold and showing the idol community an idol can be loved even if they’re not “accessible” or innocent.

>>10409330
There’s actually a documentary on Netflix called Tokyo Idols and it doesn’t try to hide the creepiness behind otaku culture. It even dives into a group of 10 YEAR OLDS and a guy openly says “I prefer them because they’re young.”

Japan needs to do something about that. The fact that their government hasn’t really intervened in the pedophilic shit that consumes that country is very odd to me.

>>10409344
Dude... what the hell
Ok so women truly can be as creepy as men, sometimes I forget

>>10409350
Yeah one thing I do like is that a lot of seiyuu arent so young, even though they portray characters much younger

>>10409354
My only gripe with that doc is that I wish they at least included perspective from female idol fans.

But yeah junior idol... disgusting. These are things that I dont want kaigai idols to carry over. Well, not like it would really anyway.

>>10409354
Not defending the junior idol segment, but the doc is filled with mistranslations and inaccuracies. I wouldn't take the doc to serious.

>>10409380
Still, can you really think of a different reason a 40 year old man would want to watch a 10 year old perform? I’m sure there are some who feel genuine paternal instinct and think of them as daughters but that’s more than likely a VAST minority.

On the bright side, Japanese idols have generally really good security teams that aren’t afraid to be rude. It’s a good system that allows the girls to keep their image. I still like how overseas idols can basically tell someone to fuck off without being ridiculed for it, though.

>>10409411
Yeah, one thing I'm happy about with the kaigai community is that it's female and self-lead, so as everyone grows more, it's all based on their own thoughts and ideals

>>10409350
>>10409371

This isn't anything new. Most of the 765 Im@s seiyuu are married, in their 30's and have kids.

>>10409375
>>10409350
That's also why they are not idol, but seiyuus. Their contracts and roles are not the same.

Shining Idol Project put themselves in their own festival.... again.
I can’t wait for London Idol Festival. It’ll hopefully display good acts and not acts that barely have any content and/ or five love live groups

>>10409293
I think part of it is that people in the West either have a low understanding of Japanese language and culture and/or don't fully realize all of the working parts of the industry besides girls singing on stage.
I mean, realistically, out of all Western idols, there's only a few that try to model themselves after ""true"" J-idols, and even fewer within that trying to make it their full-time gig.

I think Idolmaster almost glamorizes the hardships of the industry.
Like, in that traditional "I'm suffering, but I have to persevere and make fans happy" way.

>>10409223
Living out of a hotel? How do you know that?

>>10409444
>>10409223

She posted that she’s living in a hotel for a couple days or so still because of stuff dealing with the house. It isn’t her fault.

>>10409098
Do we really know of any overseas idols other than Melancohiaah who has even over a thousand followers on any social media? This is super niche

>>10409620
Mystiq Wish, Resoluscia, Auracle and Mosuri all have over 1k in FL that I know of off-hand.

>>10409620
Correct me if I’m wrong but she’s been a personality for a while and she used to identify as an idol but doesn’t any longer. I would be willing to bet that a majority of her followers aren’t from her melancholiaah days but well before.

>>10409634
My bad, I meant to say over the 1000s (2K plus) but I’m illiterate

>>10409636
Not to say they aren’t talented, but they’re well loved in the Texas cosplay community as well. Their followers are definitely a mix and well deserved since they’re such a cute and great person.

>>10409444
Right now the only group I'm aware of that both tries to follow the "true" idol formula and is also somewhat trying to make it a full-time gig is SYA, and they already have limited backing from a japanese production company. There was a question earlier asking why they're not more popular?

So virtual idol fest announced yorokobi step and seishun youth academy today

>>10408470
The boom is on hiatus only due to corona. There will be still a lot of Love Live cover groups. Screencap this. And even with corona Love Live is still strong in Odottemita community.
However I feel like finally people started to acknowledge existence of other music franchises that Love Live. And that is good. I wish that we will get more K/DA covers to k-pop tunes like these, especially G(I)-DLE songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOuWSAy-cd4 (yes i know that this is not a dance cover, but you should get the point)

>>10409620
If we're talking solo idols, other than Melancholiaah, Phoebe's got 5k on Youtube and a couple thousand on other SM

>>10410018
you know that's not very much right?

>>10409056
You should account for the fact that they are probably working a ton behind the scenes without posting it right away. Which is the smart thing to do. I highly, highly doubt they are dead bc its been hectic in the world and most groups are hesitant to post at the moment anyway due to current world events.

>>10410022
Who is the most popular person in the idol community? Now that i think about it I don’t even have a clue who the top group would be or who has the most followers or anything.

>>10410022
Yea but I honestly can't think of anyone else lmao. Everyone in this comm is pretty low-key

>>10410061
Probably just Melancholiaah, but not necessarily for her idol stuff

>>10410072
While searching I found some idols with several thousand followers on their instagrams that had more cosplay on them, which is likely what that higher count is attributed to.
Interestingly enough this didn’t seem to carry over to many cosplay idol groups, so it’s hard to say the higher counts on individuals are from cosplay alone

I usually don't come here, but I have a question! What's the run down on Anison? Particularly Anison USA? Is it legit? Only asking because they reached out to me, so just kind of wondering if anyone any info about them ,or the person who runs it? Not looking to make drama, just wondering lmao

>>10410341
The guy who runs it is a real creep, from what I've heard from some of the English-speaking idols that have worked with him. But the idols they've hosted are cute.

>>10410341
The guy who runs it is a real creep, from what I've heard from some of the idols that have worked with him. But the idols they work with are cute.

>>10410353
None in the states will work with Anison USA anymore because of him. That's why he is reaching out to Spanish speaking idols who don't know or care his history.

>>10410341
>>10410353
Double that. Stay far away from him. It’s not worth doing anything with Anison USA.

>>10410353
>>10410388
Please cite your proof. We need to stop making claims without evidence instead of going off hearsay.

>>10410612
hearsay is sometimes all you have, and if enough other women think he's a creep that's good enough for me.

>>10410616
What if I came out saying one of your family members was a creep? These kinds of things need proof.

>>10410341
curious to see what others see about this. I think Ally and Sally performed there before they were in SYA?

In my view, the aesthetic of the con and its promotion is so bad and lacks style. Usually cons that have better aesthetics run smoother, although there are exceptions.

I know they always have Roli Angels, which, I'm not sure how I feel about them lol. Like they are ok I guess but they're not popular by any means so I'm not sure why they've been featured at decent amount of places, particularly anison usa

>>10410612
Not either of the previous OPs but acquaintance/friend(??) of phoebe here. She stopped performing with them after that one time because problems between the guy and her pheri management. but that aside, he was constantly calling and messaging her even during work, and then some uncomfortable touching irl

>>10410677
Honestly not sure if she's ok with me sharing this (if you see this I can delete sorry) but anon said "cite your proof" so

Can we get back to wholesome fest posting

>>10410692
yes pls lol

>>10410692
Is anyone gonna watch London idol festival?

The virtual one? Definitely! I think it’s great that they did a virtual one for worldwide idols to make up for the London event being postponed, sure it’s not the same as live, but now we get to see more idols in one place! Have you seen the announced idols so far? It seems like it’s going to be a good mix overall

>>10408168
As well as this, I think some of them have been meeting and collaborating even during lockdown, just like Auracle. Like sure you meeting a few friends to dance together might not spread the virus but I thought they should have set a good example instead.

>>10410612
I would agree if this was a case of petty bully drama but it's not. I've been wondering why Anison USA is working exclusively with spanish speaking idols and it makes sense with the creep accusations. Foreign speaking idols tend not to care or turn a blind eye to the bad reputation surrounding event runners.

>>10410946
Yeah this is pretty important stuff since when the word "creep" is thrown around, it can mean a potential sexual predator that will put people in danger. Spreading overt rumors is bad, but I think letting others to stay weary is the part of being a good community member.

>>10410946
Oh one thing I forgot to mention was that, I also could see them working with spanish speaking idols just for the fact that a lot of them are pretty good, and they even have male idols there, which is something I've yet to see happen in the u.s.

>>10410933
Nah some of these western idols are just entitled. They wouldn’t know how to set examples

>>10410946
I want to work with anisong but this makes me weary...

>>10408433
Update: six love live idol groups are in shining idol festival and they inserted themselves again. So much for their wanting diversity....

>>10411269
I’m more interested in London idol festivals virtual one to be honest, everyone they’ve announced so far is so cool!!

>>10411296
Same. Very good quality acts so far!

have anyone's seen the Kerberos Promo video from a week ago? how do you all feel about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM3DfptyUkI

>>10411296
And the lineup went down the drain just as it was getting good

>>10411908
There being one person you don’t like doesn’t ruin the lineup. It looks like there’s some amazing acts here! And it doesn’t look like they’re done announcing people yet

>>10411908
I don’t think it went down the drain I still can’t wait to see this festival!

>>10411852
I’m excited for it but I listened to the preview on amazon. The chorus seems to have fallen flat but I think I’ll really enjoy it.

>>10411908
well its being held by LAGC so what did you expect?

>>10412118
I’m honestly seeing nothing wrong with the performers. Maybe instead of people complaining here they should message or comment saying why they don’t think certain people should perform.

I got rejected from Digifes and forgot to apply for London Idol Fest, rip ;_;

There's another one I haven't seen discussed here called Music Matsuri! It seems to be focusing on original songs.

>>10412125
Do you have the link to Music Matsuri? I've never heard of it!

>>10412129
Sure! There's an application here and the Instagram account is @musicmatsuriv.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc4MfPES4u_KIM8pqA6-uiYb2w9vft05IBNZMRj6ST2JEtlWw/viewform

>>10412125
Haven't heard of Digifes before. Link?

>>10412243
It's being hosted by a Swedish idol festival instagram, just titled @idol_festival. I guess since the con they normally run their idol festival at got cancelled, they decided to make it digital, and applications were open worldwide. I'm interested in seeing their lineup!

>>10411908
Look we all know SH is weak, but she didn’t ruin the lineup. Calm down friend.

Based on the fact that London Idol Fest is being hosted by/at AnimeLeague I am staying as far away as possible.

>>10412837
I don’t really care about the company hosting the con desu, every convention company has rumors and if there’s no proof so what! The host is someone who’s actually been a part of the community for a while as opposed to some random con staff member and there’s a good lineup so let’s just be happy about there being another festival and enjoy it!

Has anyone seen that they’ve announced Seishun Youth Academy? That’s gonna be super cool!

>>10412837
But someone who’s actually an overseas idol directing it makes it worth giving a chance honestly.

>>10412848
Who is they hon, be specific.

>>10412848
>>10412852
I think they meant in London Idol Festival’s virtual event

Honestly having names like SYA and Honey Hime is really impressive to me. I’m excited to see who else is announced!

>>10412837
Any festival is shit juat enjoy the performers. Let's see some sore and some fail like SH

Shining couldn’t even be bothered to roll out the reminder of the acts on their own posts.... I wouldn’t have even known Hanran and Katie were going to be there had I not checked. Which festival are y’all most looking forward to:
Shining, Music Matsuri V, London, or CIN?

>>10413697
London seems the most organised, interested to see CIN too. Music Matsuri V might be cool but hard to tell when nothing’s been shown yet

I'm willing to give shining another go to see if they learned from their mistakes. From the looks of things the streaming of videos should be smoother because they're not going to be doing it through YouTube anymore. If they could just cut back on MCing excessively then that would be great.

>>10413697
They also clearly cut off a few of the descriptions/captions.... Seems super lazy. I get that they want to keep their instagram layout but they literally surrounded everything with spacers?
I'm probably looking forward to London and CIN the most, but all are interesting in their own ways. MMV is preferring original songs and Shining has so many acts that it might still be good to watch?

Did paida move back to america? How is she going to continue?

>>10414033
I think she's only in America for a bit until covid-19 blows over for the most part. There's really no reason for her to stay in the U.S. when she has opportunities in Japan.

>>10414033
She’ll be going back. The producers of the contests said they’d make sure she found a way back so she could finish the audition.

I agree with >>10414044, there’s no need for her to be here

>>10414096
Problem is if borders will open in Japan in time. So far they are allowing people on business trips, but only for those from select countries. Considering how infection rates aren't flattened in the u.s. yet, I'm worried she might not be allowed to go back in time. She might even have to do 14 day quarantine once she arrives which could still interfere with making it to the in-person portion of the contest. I hope it all works out for her though. If it does, it would be a good sign that she was meant to be in this contest for a reason!

>>10409098
One word: Canada.

London Idol Fest is shaping out to have some really good acts, minus Shining Idol Project and Sakura..... I’m interested to see this showcase too

Also the CocoAidoru showcase is the day after tomorrow. Anyone tuning in?

>>10416586
Honestly I want to see what SIP and Sakura can do to make themselves better. Even if they’re not the best they can still improve. That’s what idols are all about are they not?

What do you think they can do to improve?

>>10416656
It's not that no one believes they can't improve but both have history of ignoring criticism or being rude when people offer help. They are disliked for their poor attitudes and they wont improve if they keep dismissing criticism.

>>10416671
Well still what can they do to make their performance better? Besides the way they handle crit?

>>10416783
Honey you are missing the point. They have been told how to improve by people in private. The dismiss it. Do you really expect their performance to improve if they refuse to listen to the people already telling them how they can improve? Regurgitating the same words on an anon board wont do them good if they can't listen in the first place.

>>10416927
Honestly I’m wondering how they’re gonna do in virtual idol fest. Have either of them been in an idol fest before?

>>10416656
Honestly? What >>10416671 said. We’ve told them. They have the nastiest attitudes and don’t take concrit at ALL.

>>10416937
SH has. She has some highlights either on IG or YouTube, and she’s.... not good. But I’m hoping that she’s improved since then. I really want to give them a chance this time but... SH is still awkward as hell and hasn’t seem to grow and SIP is still not improving.

>>10417194
Those videos are from months ago so I’d say yeah give her a chance. Who knows? Maybe she’ll actually handle crit this time.

>>10417409
Looking at her IG posts from only the past two months gives me little hope anon....

>>10417409
I guess I’ll give her crit after she performs. Wether she takes it or not is her call. But I’m sure we all hope she will be better when it comes to crit.

Sorry same anon but that was meant to reply to >>10417417

What

>>10417938
cringe

>>10417938
Have you been watching her stories? She's making a collab song with a few others to raise money for the BLM movement. Even Zeta posted about it.

I'm interested to see how it comes out considering this noise was four days ago honestly....

>>10418060
I find it really uncomfortable that THIS is the direction she’s chosen to go with it though...

>>10417938
holy shit this is so tone deaf

Someone has put a good project together for such an important cause and you choose to crap on it! Losers.

>>10418391
she's making a mockery of a dying man's last words but okay

>>10418397
I don't think it's a mockery, because why would she make fun of him dying? it just doesn't make sense.

but it is in poor taste. and it's the same with the name "chocolate idol" for their network name as well. Chocolate and coco are ways non-black people fetishize black people. I get that black people themselves created the name, but it's in poor taste, and cringe. and it makes me not able to take them seriously.

>>10418402
making an uwu aidoru~ song out of the words an innocent man uttered before his death is definitely a mockery, intentional or not. and yeah the whole chocolate thing is weird and poorly run, the page is riddled with typos. kurohime is even misspelled in one of the photos.

>>10418408
it doesn't seem like it'll sound too uwu, it seems like it might be more on the serious side, but I see what you mean.

hopefully someone within the group will do a brand revamp or someone else will spring up and create something that gets their message across better. I still love the fact that they're banding together because it introduced me to some creators who I've never heard of before.

My suggestion would be something a name that references something historical, referencing a symbol that means something powerful, or creating a unique name that hasn't been used before. "chocolate" and "coco" is just too on the nose, too obvious, too straightforward, and as mentioned before, reminds me too much of white dudes or asian dudes saying how they want to find their "chocolate princess" one day aka have a black girl fetish.

>>10418420
Another note, the girls in the network that use "hime" in their name might want to research that more.

I'm not a japanese native, but from my understanding, adding "'-hime" is an honorific as you would use "-san." But you don't refer to yourself as "name-san" you're just "name" but everyone else would call you "name-san." You look ridiculous calling yourself "name-san."

Likewise, "-hime" is the honorific used for nobility, so it especially looks weird and arrogant to refer to yourself as such.

Everyone using Japanese terminology for their things needs to do more research. Because although "-hime" does translate pretty much to "princess" the usage of calling yourself as such does not translate the same. In the west, calling yourself a princess, well, it's not taken that seriously. But it seems in Japan, it's culturally different. And definitely not the same as in anime. (People don't even call their senpai "senpai" in the workplace irl)

I only say this so that people can save themselves the potential embarrassment in front of Japanese people, because I want everyone to do well

>>10418420
i hope you're right! i'll give it a chance and i've liked discovering the people working on it, especially the flautist. right now i can't help but feel a little yikes about it.
>>10418420
also yeah it's kinda weird but i guess they're mostly targeting the west anyway

>>10418424
You sound like a weaboo. While most people would think of "princess", because it's written in romaji it doesn't have any meaning. It may as well mean "wooden spoon sprout". No one cares that much. Most of western idols have stage personas, and if they want to call them princess whatever it doesn't mean that they claim to be a part of Japanese court.

>>10418428
Just because it’s written in romaji doesn’t mean it suddenly has no meaning, but in Japan hime is used as a nickname a lot of the time. Some idols have “-hime” at the end of their name. More times than not, an actually princess ain’t called hime.

>>10418447
But to do the idols themselves call themselves name-hime? I've seen names like that but personally haven't followed anything that they do

>>10418428
Call me a weeaboo, but I'm just thinking about respect for other cultures, one of which that a lot of us are borrowing and eventually trying to profit from.

I bet none of you talking crap are black.

>>10406812
Ok just listened to first song, she has a nice voice but i don't think she brushes her tongue. Took me out of it to say the least.

>>10418447
>Just because it’s written in romaji doesn’t mean it suddenly has no meaning
But it does. I choose wooden spoon sprout on purpose, because kanji for them still reads as hime. If you don't have the kanji, it may mean a myriad of things.

>>10418457
I'm not, but I don't think I'm talking crap. This is my criticism as a viewer and no one here is saying that the collective shouldn't exist.

>>10418424
hime is not an honorific...

>>10418464
It's not your place to critique the name. Black people have always been trying to reclaim words once used against them. They have every right to reclaim coco and chocolate to use in their way.

If other black idols had issues, I get it but you look fake woke for pretending to care about the fetishizing of black people.

There's way more valid stuff to critique the network about but out of all of it you chose the name.

>>10417938
did she really put that man's last words in an a e s t h e t i c font in the description below?
jesus christ

>>10418481
I don't think the name is the biggest issue here.

>>10418060
making a song about this is really cringy and insensitive. especially as an IDOL of all things.

>>10418461
You do realize that Japanese can read romaji correct? You do also realize hime is one of the words in Japanese where it’s the same in romaji, kanji, and hiragana right? There’s no other reading for hime. Different kanji yes but it’s still hime.

>>10418546
Didn’t an idol group in Japan straight reference trump’s dumbass in a song.

>>10418556
Anon, this is straight up not how Japanese works. Japanese people can't read romanji unless they know how to read roman letters, which some can't. Are you confusing romanji with katakana? The reading is literally the only thing that makes a word have a particular meaning in Japanese. 姫 and ひめ don't both mean princess no matter what google tells you. Pronunciation (reading) is not the same thing as definition.

Hello project literally as a girl who's birthname is Momohime (peach princess). There are idols in japan who have stage names that are just as silly. Yumemi nemu? Dream sleepy sleep.

Also, sorry to double post but it's hilarious watching you all try to explain Japanese to each other while all being completely wrong. Incredible.

What's really tone deaf is acting like a black idol making a song about a really relevant issue in her life, and donating the proceeds to a relevant charity, is somehow inappropriate. Music and social issues/politics have pretty much always been linked. Yes, even in the world of idol bops. If you don't want meaning or depth in the idol songs you listen to, you can always stick to Love Live lmao.

>>10418602
Totally agree with you. Since when does being an idol mean you can only sing about fluffy, cutesy, romantic stuff?? There’s a whole world of Japanese idols pushing the boundaries of what being an idol means. Granted, they don’t really make songs about racial issues, but that’s because that topic is a lot more relevant in America (cough cough, where Kurohime lives).
Just because someone considers themselves to be an idol doesn’t mean that it inherently devalues the topic they decide to make music about. That’s actually really insulting to idols, it makes it seem like you think they don’t deserve to be taken seriously or that they don’t have the capability to convey other emotions besides “happy” and “in love”.
(also: yes, I understand a lot of you don’t take *overseas* idols seriously in any capacity anyway but that’s besides the point when I’m talking about idols in general)

>>10418564
Please then tell me the difference between 姫, ひめ, and 媛. I’d love to know.

>>10418635
Nyart, because they are also dumb af (they use qwerty keyboards in Japan. You kinda need to know Romaji to use most computers)

First, 姫 has two common readings, the kunyomi ひめ and the onyomi き. There are other readings, but not as common.

The second kanji is archaic and not used much but is more referring to a beautiful woman than a princess.

ひめ by itself in hiragana is obviously 姫 there really isn't any other common words with that reading. If it meant something else, the kanji would be there. When I see ひめ I think 姫 but it's either a japanese learner or little kid

>>10418602
>>10418608
It's perfectly fine to make a song about serious topics like this. No one's saying that you can't. What I find insensitive is the title. She's profiting off of this man who was killed by police in that way.

Yikes this thread is a reminder we still have closet racists and jealous white people among us

>>10418671
Can you read? Where the hell did she say she was profiting off this? All profits are going to charities.

>>10418677
I don't mean profiting in a literal sense. I mean it in when she is using this title, she's using this person's last words as a way to "boost" this song.

I don't understand how finding a song title offensive is racist. I obviously can't tell Kuro Hime what to do, but it's a bad choice in my opinion to name the song that, even regarding what she's donating the funds to.

>>10418679
You are reaching sweetie

>>10418671
Sentiments such as:
“she's making a mockery of a dying man's last words but okay“
and:
“making a song about this is really cringy and insensitive. especially as an IDOL of all things.”
definitely sound like they’re saying she can’t (or rather shouldn’t) make a song about this. I mean maybe you’re not one of those people but there are some that pretty clearly are.
Get where you’re coming from about the title though. I think she could have been a bit more subtle and artistic about it, but I think she’s perfectly entitled to make it as obvious as she sees fits the song.

>>10418683
Literally the only problem I have with this song is the title. It's very simple to change it into something better and less insensitive; if people are defending Kuro about this even if a person doesn't show a problem with the song's actual content, I don't know what to tell them.

>>10418641
anon ひめ is a name...

>>10418608
I’m going to disagree with you here anon. I don’t have a problem with expressing this sort of statement through music, but promoting it with a giant a e s t h e t i c “i cant breathe” graphic and asking for instrumental critique feels like when people tag their random selfie with blacklivesmatter. It’s trivial and harmless, but it’s a performative action- ultimately, shes using the movement to self-promote if her focus is on advertising her song. If she really wanted critique, she could post a snippet to her story and asked, but making a full post with that terrible video feels like just chasing clout.

Haddon and HER have really powerful, tasteful protest songs called “I cant breathe”, but they aren’t plastering george floyd’s dying words everywhere. Twitter would eat this girl alive.

>>10406812
Wow she's really ugly. Why are you people tolerating this "progressive" shit where they expect us to pretend ugly is beautiful, nasty is nice etc? Communist subversion isn't cute.

>>10418641
I think you missed the sarcasm... I know this but it doesn’t change the point of hime still meaning princess. A lot of the time, 姫 reading ki is in name instead of actual words.

>>10418693
Really? I think you're looking at it too hard. The "I can't breath" phrase isn't only in reference to George Floyd, but also it had been printed on t-shirts that athletes wore years ago during Ferguson in protest against police brutality, among other things. Kuro also has been vocal online besides her posting about this. I highly doubt it's performative.

>>10418713
Being a closet racist isnt cute. Attach your name if you wanna speak so bold.

>>10418726
Her face is really masculine, anon. She's cute overall imo but I don't think anon is racist for not finding her cute.

>>10418692

The writing of a name in Hiragana is an aesthetic choice on the parent's part. Sure, you can use Hime as the reading and attach an endless number of kanji combinations to it, but the evolution of hime as a name came from the meaning princess. Even places that have "hime" in them use the kanji 姫. I could go more in depth into naming customs and trends, but no. How about you just keep on weebsplaining buddy

>>10418851
no dumbass i was responding to this part of your post.
>ひめ I think 姫 but it's either a japanese learner or little kid

>>10418851
Autism.

It’s hilarious watching you weaboos argue about Japanese words lmao

>>10418879
there are native speakers on the board, it's really obvious who isn't...

>>10418602
This honestly. She clearly has strong feelings about the issue and it's directly relevant to her as a black person? I understand how some people find the use of his words in poor taste etc. but it's not any more shocking than other content making the rounds on social media at the moment.

In other news, thoughts on the CIN showcase? I enjoyed it, there were some really quality performers.

thought resolucia was gonna be a 6 person group? guess their applicants were that bad lmaooooo

I think what Kurohime is doing is a really good. Shes named the song I Cant Breathe to make an impact because we do really need to make a statement in regards to racism across the world. ALL the profits are going to good cause so why all this criticism that idols shouldn't be serious! Idols arent just going to sing cutesy songs all the time, idols are progressing and singing about serious topics now. If you dont like it listen to crap like LL.

It's just so funny seeing criticism of a person of colour raising awareness of racism against a race she is a part of?!

>>10419065
it was seven, but i speculate they aren’t done announcing them yet, and are starting with three? apps closed after they were announced as members which is why i say that. i hope theres more than three.

>>10419065
>>10419118
I don't think many people auditioned to begin with. I was surprised she even managed to get three people.
There were a few one off comments threads back mentioning that assembling a group of randoms from your area seems like it would be difficult as hell, and if she could manage that it would be because of her existing following. If she's still going to college in Florida provided she's in class and it's not all online with shit going on right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see her trying to pull people she met in college into her group.

>>10419065
They literally said on their first ever post that they would be starting activities with their current members while holding auditions for ADDITIONAL members. The applications for those auditions were scheduled to end on May 31st, and realistically are probably going to take a little longer due to COVID lol

I live under a rock. What is going on with grace mellody and anime leauge?

>>10419099
I think it’s a great thing she’s doing, and people trying to walk all over her are showing their own racism

>>10419197
Someone’s been messaging the performers and trying to smear Grace and AL since AL posted the performers to their IG.

I mean don’t get me wrong, AL probably has a bad con chair, but why bring the festival into it? I think they’re two separate events that happen to coincide with one another.

>>10419216
I got three messages about that. I don't know what to do. I hate supporting cons owned by creeps, but I was also under the idea this was just something separate like a panel would happen irl

If AL has no input on the festival and isn't providing anything to it like money, staff, etc., then the festival and performers shouldn't really be judged for doing the event. This goes doubly cause it's a virtual festival - it isn't bringing anyone physically to AL to benefit their business or spend money, and since most of the people tuning in are scattered across the world I don't think it's gonna bring AL any business when cons open back up. I also hate supporting con creeps, but this festival doesn't seem to have enough connection to AL to be worth fussing over.

>>10419225
Honestly, I think you should do it. It sounds like Grace put it together as a separate entity from the con in order to give UK idols and overseas idols a chance to showcase their stuff.

Just don’t support the con itself and rather support Grace’s efforts.

>>10419123
Don’t think i’ve heard her mention college at all? I thought she moved because of her parent’s job or something. I don’t know where the college topic came from

>>10419334
Pretty sure she initially mentioned moving for college and parents.

>>10419123
Tbh, it's probably that not a lot of people auditioned. Florida isn't a good state for this kind of thing, both cosidols and original groups have people in multiple projects because there's not a very large community. It doesn't help that the practices are all far from Orlando/Tampa/Miami, where most of the other groups already are. There are a lot of factors that probably contributed to this, but it's okay. They have a strong line up as-is.

Wanted to post this here. I made an idol directory for the tons of groups on Instagram’s platform so they could be easily accessed from one search. It doesn't include any franchise-cosplay groups or soloists (there are too many people who call themselves soloists but dont go to the extent that others do, so i stuck to groups) and focuses on those who focus on creating content (covers and original music) as themselves or characters that represent themselves.
If you wanna check it out it’s @netidoldirectory on instagram.
Please let me know if i missed any groups. Ty

>>10419845
Vomits

>>10419845
It's appreciated that you aren't including cosplay groups, cause the other idol directory is 99% love live groups. But excluding all soloists on the basis of some of them not being as active as you'd prefer seems kinda weird, when there's plenty of groups that launch and go nowhere. Why not put in some guidelines that determine whether or not a group or soloist can be added?

>>10419929
Thats a good idea. I might do that. What do you think should the guidelines should be?

>>10419932
Nayrt, but you said you already applied some rules yourself, just list them.

>>10419845
Lmfao you're not including soloists yet there a good number of soloists that could give those groups a run for their nonexistant money

>>10419845
You’re missing a LOT of popular idol groups. I suggest going through again.

>>10419949
Just came here to say this. Most groups are cosplaying dance tributes. You should really consider checking some of the soloists out there. They could run circles around most of these groups

>>10420279
yeah exactly, In fact there are more soloists with original music than groups with original music, let alone groups that even sing plus dance

JennyinTokyo seems a bit all over the place lately don't you think? I don't think she has the passion or stamina to be an idol

>>10420347
Jenny bores me desu. I like her concept idea but if you’re gonna do rock, you’ve got to really give it passion and energy, and she has none.

I wonder if maybe her appearance is starting to reflect her thoughts and feelings.

Are any of you following the WACK audition? there are lots of overseas idols

>>10420494
Sort of but not really. Honest question though, every time I look at the tags I barely see any accounts getting numbers which I thought was the point. Is this actually going to be successful?

>>10420510
There are popular one’s with big numbers. It’s just that it’s mainly the japanese applicants.
A fan made a database and it has more than 500 applicants.
https://affectionate-thompson-e6dfcd.netlify.app/

>>10420397
I quite enjoy her performances, her vocals have improved a lot and I can see that she enjoys being an idol. I do like her concept, but I feel like she could push it further.

>>10420561
She’s improved a lot, I’ve followed her for a while and she seems to be working especially hard lately, so I’m excited to see more from her!

>>10420494
i don’t know a single net idol doing it who would be good in wack. the two overseas girls i was following had their accounts suspended before the first challenge and everyone else who’s left seems very tone deaf to the vibes and not fit for the types of groups WACK makes. It’s really cringe...

>>10420607
I feel like Vicky might have a chance. She's very cutesy but also, she's not untalented. I feel like they could mold her into something more fitting.

Problem is that the company has to sponsor their Visa. So you have to be really compelling for the company to think it's worth it. That, and you have to be skillfull or fitting of the image enough to be worth the potential trouble of having communication/cultural clashes.

>>10420670
It says in the conditions of the audition that non-Japanese are allowed but participants need to be able to arrange their visa situation themselves.

>>10420677
Oh I see. How do people arrange their via themselves? I guess maybe if they do something like a tourist visa or working holiday visa I dunno.

>>10420681
If you’ll be performing, you’ll need a work visa. To get that, you need to prove that you not only have a job lined up but also that you have skills and credibility in that field. It’s also a lengthy process. Now sponsoring is totally different. Sponsoring basically is just saying they’ll be the ones paying you and giving you work. The agency just doesn’t deal with the actual filing.

>>10420681
you have to use a working holiday visa probably. not every country has them (USA does not) so it is hard if you're not in those countries. most tourist visas won't allow for any kind of work.

>>10420692
>>10420693

Dang, thanks for the information!

>>10420692
a working holiday visa allows you to do a lot of jobs, i think that this would probably qualify.

>>10420692
>Sponsoring basically is just saying they’ll be the ones paying you and giving you work.
No, sponsoring is the company securing the visa for you. I know in Japan there are a lot of rules about sponsorship of a citizen, so an idol company likely doesn't want to have to deal with it on a new overseas idol from a contest

>>10420711
yeah, with wacks track record and them promoting groups overseas recently it was probably just a publicity stunt to even say they’d let foreigners join, same with men. it’s funny as a wack fan to see it

>>10420670
i disagree a lot, in fact when i think of the worst proponents of not fitting wack vibes she’s the first one that comes to mind. vicky is really ugly, doesn’t have any kind of uniqueness to her, and wouldn’t fit in a wack group in the slightest. her marketing gimmick right now is really unappealing and poser like, where she’s trying to make her stereotypical weeb cute aesthetic appealing to wack fans. it’s really ill suited and shes just being cringey and tone deaf.

>>10420711
Unless their own websites are wrong, sponsors aren’t securing it for you. You still have to do all the paperwork. Unless you’re well off, good luck getting an approved visa especially for work. You’ll need solid proof that you have history and funds.

>>10420860
Anon read the fucking website. Sponsoring is what helps you secure the visa. Those visas and sponsorships still have rules, but you can't apply yourself in any case. Of course a sponsor isn't going to fill out your forms for you and literally send them in, but the sponsor has to send forms on their end too proving their company can sponsor you. And unless you're lying about your work history, you can get one easily with sponsorship. You don't need money or funds to get approved for a work visa, just work history.

>>10420903
wack said they aren’t helping with any visa work at all. they aren’t sponsoring, arent helping secure, anything at all. they’ve said it on the websites and in news articles. if you can’t get a visa independently without their help, you can’t go. probably because like most wack auditions there’s going to be a physical one for a week or so, they probably don’t want to go through the entire process for someone they’re just going to send home in a week. i don’t think watanabe intends on actually using any foreigners in a group. that would be stupid of him if he did.

>>10420912
i don't think that a week even qualifies for a sponsored visa. i know that people from most countries can get a working holiday visa, which allows you to work in the country for a bit, so either he's banking on that or he's testing the waters to see if making a foreigner group permanently is viable.

>>10420912
well if he didn't want any foreigners then he wouldn't want to make it any bit possible for foreigners to participate.

unless of course he's using the foreigners as a way to get more attention on the auditions to result in more interest in the group

>>10420926
yeah. like i said, he’s promoting wack groups overseas soon. this is just a marketing strategy, just like how he says men or any age are allowed to auditions. the final line up will “just happen” to be not foreigners. this isn’t serious at all lol

>>10420912
>>10420916
You don’t need a visa to stay in Japan for a week. We’re talking about if they make it into the groups.

>>10421160
regardless wack said that’s on the participants and they aren’t helping at all, they made that really clear. for the audition camp or a place in a group you have to secure your own visa.

>>10420903
>>10420912
I would really like for you to tell me what this page says. Tell me again you don’t need a sponsor.

>>10421164
Also, for reference, this is where the information is from: https://www.us.emb-japan.go.jp/english/html/travel_and_visa/visa/work-entertainer.html

For now only 6 foreigners have uploaded their promotion videos and personally I like a couple.

Also like a couple of the japanese PR videos.

But since there's still time I'm really curious as to how the rest are going to try to appeal to the japanese audience.

>>10421164
can you not read? it doesn’t matter if you even need a sponsor, wack isn’t willing to help participants in any way to get their visa to come to the audition camp. they are not sponsoring or giving people visas to be in the theoretical post covid group.

>>10421186
I’m not talking about the camp dumbass... This whole time I’ve been talking about if they make the actual group. You don’t need a visa for a one week stay.

>>10421203
You’re the fucking dumbass here you illiterate fucktard. Like i said, wack said they are not helping with visas the entire time you are in Japan, even if you make it into the group. they want you to get a visa another way besides being in a group they manage, i.e. not helping you get a visa at all for any amount of staying in Japan. They’ve made this really clear

>>10421213
And, a-fucking-gain you need a sponsor to get a fucking work visa. There is no way to get a work visa for Japan without a sponsor. So unless you have skills and another job lined up that is willing to sponsor you. And if you want to be an idol you need an entertainer visa. How about you use common sense?

>>10421219
i feel so fucking sorry that your parents birthed such a retard. They are explicitly saying that you need to get a visa in another way, either another job or whatever else, because they are not going to pay the fees/be responsible for your living in Japan. They stated they are not sponsoring you to get an entertainment visa and you need to acquire one in another way. Why the fuck do you not understand this are you in elementary school

>>10421226
How the fuck do you not understand that I’m not disputing that. I’m disputing the claim that you don’t need a fucking sponsor on a visa. It’s the same shit I have been saying you dumbass. Regardless of who gives it to you,
>no sponsor = no visa
>no visa = no work
Can you not fucking read or comprehend any of that I’ve been saying or is it just that you don’t understand what you’ve been saying?

https://youtu.be/85m1CMVXlgM

Only 3/9 of these girls look put together, the rest ain’t it.

>>10421226
>you need to get a visa in another way
>>10421239
guys ffs, the company isn't sponsoring the visa, the OTHER VISA is a WORKING HOLIDAY VISA, which you can get for extended holiday that allows you a certain amount of "work". we have discussed this again and again and again. working holiday visa is DIFFERENT. NO ONE IS SPONSORING OR GIVING OUT WORK VISAS.

Has anyone kept up with Paida and the audition? Apparently immigration is holding her back.

Also has anyone noticed the number of drop outs in London idol festival? Now there are only about 13 people

>>10421437
what’s up with everyone dropping? i think i missed something.

>>10421437

It's in relation to Animeleague which is a huge red flag, it's run by pedos but if you want any extra info look in any Brit thread. I noticed a post circulating to inform people about this in the last week so perhaps people have become more aware and wanting to distance themselves from an event being run by that organisation.

>>10421445
Grace was trying to hide that london idol festival was being held at the online convention being hosted by anime league. No one wants to be associated with a pedo con and dropped.

>>10421374
It's better than a lot of Love Live groups. They weren't totally in sync but you could tell they at least practiced together. I hated the black outfits with pastels though, personal peeve of mine. Editing it like an MV was nice, I always appreciate when groups put their own content into a dance cover that has been done a thousand times, but the MV clips were kind of awkwardly angled and didn't really show off their faces or charm. Most importantly, why Snow halation in the middle of June?

>>10421374
Frankly they look better than 90% of cosplay dance groups out there so it’s fine to me. They just need to tighten moves and be more confident.

>>10421430
Hopefully they let her go. It’s a huge opportunity and the US would suck if they held her back like this.

>>10421437
No one wants to be associated with a pedophile considering I’m betting a lot of idols have trauma related to that.

>>10421502
anon it's japan that's not allowing travel from usa.

>>10421463

>Most importantly, why Snow halation in the middle of June?

Now originally I would have said because northern and southern hemispheres are a thing. But they're in fucking Oklahoma so I have zero defence for them.

>>10421506
The caption says they filmed in January.

I honestly don't hate it, they're in sync the majority of the time and their outfits are cute

>>10421461
Is there anyone that’s still gonna watch it?

>>10421550
Pedos and pedo apologizers are the only ones watching and participating

>>10421569
Does anyone have a list of who dropped and who’s still participating? For future reference

>>10418740
I think she wouldn't look that bad if she actually wore a bit of makeup. She tends to post a lot of low quality photos and selfies where it looks like she just doesn't care. Anyone would look bad if they didn't put effort in.

>>10421870
Agree.

People need to wear FOUNDATION.
Then throw on blush.
Mascara or lashes.
And lip color.

THE BARE MINIMUM WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Idols should look polished. If people wanna look "natural" then they should also get used to being called ugly /shrug

>>10421732
It shouldn't be too hard to deduce if a schedule of performers comes out. I noticed some people posted on their own pages about being in it but were never announced on LIF page, assuming they stopped posting the lineup when they realized people were being messaged.

>>10421891
There still a way to look natural with makeup on even. You don't have to go overboard with the makeup, just some bb cream, well groomed eyebrows (and other facial hair), mascara, and lip gloss would make a world of difference

>>10421924
Yeah exactly, just cover up the discoloration and dark eye circles and make features like eyes and lips pop more. I still think blush makes a world of a difference, but not heavy blush like it's an 80s yearbook photo

>>10421924
I meant "natural" as in people will argue that things like dark circles and blemishes are normal and shouldnt be shamed.

Yes it's normal but it's not pretty.

>>10421505
And it’s America who’s holding her up if you’re watching her stories....

>>10421898
Yeah, i noticed some people posted they weren’t performing any longer but weren’t announced to perform in the first place or they deleted their announcement of not performing. This seems like a huge mess, I just wanna make sure the good choices are accounted for

>>10422014
because japan won't let her travel there. america isn't going to send her there against japan's wishes.

>>10422057

According to the LIF twitter, the audition form had stated it was in association with AL, so it seems like no one cared about supporting a pedophile until they were called out for participating. A list would be helpful.

>>10422092
Could also be the fact that a lot of the performers aren’t from the UK and were completely unaware. I hadn’t even heard of these people or their event until all of this happened.

>>10422111
Everyone in the uk knows that it’s fake anyway, the only reason people avoid it is because of the harassment they get, I really wanna go back to their events but people are just mean

>>10422118
Looks like whoever is still posted on the Instagram is still performing. What are your thoughts on the updated list?

>>10422121
Sakura Hana and SYA in the same setlist... i love 2020.

>>10422122
Oh come on give them a chance. Who knows honestly. And anyways isnt SYA like a huge name in the community?

>>10422122
Oh who cares? It’s just one person you don’t like.

>>10422128
????? hence why they gave their opinion when asked??? get off this fucking thread you retard

i agree this setlist is all over the place in terms of quality though. should be interesting

>>10422131
I’m excited for the setlist! If certain people fail then whatever. I still wanna watch

>>10422118
But why would people take time to spread rumors about a con creep if there's no base to it?

>>10422111
Frankly this. I follow cons pretty regularly and didn’t know a damn thing about this UK con until someone said something. I don’t think it’s fair for blanket assumptions like >>10422092 to be made, especially since a lot of those announced were Americans.

Not to mention, it looks like from the sound of it, the app wasn’t completely transparent that AL would be hosting the stream itself AND they were posting the performers like they were guests before they took all performers off. LIF made it seem like they were running independent of the con and I think that made a lot of people mad.

>>10422121
Frankly it’s looking quite weak. Almost everyone I was looking forward to has dropped out so I’m finding it hard to find a reason to watch.

>>10422301
Definitely seems like they weren't transparent, I've seen some of the unannounced (or maybe just deleted later if they dropped out) performers asking for more information about either AL, LIF and the pedophile rumors on their IG story as they had only heard about it secondhand or did not know before signing up. However are the rumors even that reliable? Does anyone have the original source/post?

As someone who has been part of the UK con scene for years, there has been accusations against AL for years but nothing has proved they were true. Sadly, people have jumped on the bandwagon and believed the accusations with no proof!

>>10422315
Did not know before signing up? It said on the audition sheet that this is part of "ALs Virual Con", just goes to show most idols can't read.

It wouldn't of got much attention if Grace just streamed it as she doesn't have many followers and let's be honest Idols always claim to put on their own festivals but either do a shit job or don't bother because they are lazy

>>10422368
To be fair she’s done a good job with getting the attention for LIF, most of the guest announcements had way more comments than her own stuff gets, well, before the spammers came and ruined it for everyone

>>10422118
>>10422365
Then show us the proof of it being fake. Otherwise these claims of the accuations being false are just as baseless

>>10422423
This. I'd rather risk believing rumors than defend someone who turned out to actually be a creep. At least if it turns that the rumors are false, it's just dropping out of an online event that the con isn't able to even make money out of. So I wouldn't blame the idols that made the decision to drop either.

>>10422365
Since there’s no concrete proof denying or confirming, I’d rather the idols drop out then run the risk of siding with a pedo.

Imagine it comes out that the rumors ARE true. That’s a real possible hit to their rep.

>>10422368
When the sign ups first went up, it only said Virtual Con. Nothing about AL.
And most idols do a shit job, but you can’t deny that CIN put on a very nice show last weekend. Enough so that they raised a shit ton of money for their charity.

>>10422440
The money made during the con is for charity so it’s a shame

>>10422464
Stand Up To Cancer is a bad chairty to give to. There's more legitament charities out there who actually do something that i rather donate to.

>>10422470
The name sounds sketch anyway.....

Did anyone watch virtual idol fest?

>>10422470
then donate to those then. wow this thread is just full of moaners is this because you are not good idols and have no career?

>>10422928
Who hurt you?

>>10422365
As someone who's been part of the con scene also for years... Yeah, the accusations have been around for years... And also from people I know personally who haven't made any other noises about any other people.

Towers is a peado and a predator and frankly you should avoid anything ALcon related.

And there IS evidence, it all got shared, and there are girls who went to the police. You just don't believe it. There's a big difference.

>>10422979
As someone who's known the guy for years no policemen has ever been on his doorstep. Cancel Culture is cancer and you are no better for believing girls who didn't get the money they wanted for their crap performances or crap cosplays. Yall salty

>>10422991
Quit whining and show us the proof that all these accusations are false. Otherwise your claims are as bad as cancel culture.

>>10422999
I mean personally I think it’s better to believe innocent until proven guilty rather than crucify someone for a life ruining accusation that has no evidence behind it

>>10423016
Agreed. It’s best to believe victims and avoid the accused until the victims’ stories are proven contrary.....

But maybe that’s me.
I think it’s nice that they dropped it without necessarily bashing the con.

>>10423016
But also with how the justice system works (at least in america, can't speak for other countries) guilty people get to walk away free all the time

Uh so did anyone actually watch the festival? I didn't, but SH posted an apology for her performance on her Instagram so I'm guessing everything went as well as we expected?

>>10423016
would rather support and defend a liar than blindly support a predator and trash ppl who don’t support a predator. maybe you should fix your priorities instead of just telling people they’re fake and we should support a possible pedophile anyways.

>>10423178
i sadly missed it. can anyone give a rundown? anyone have a recording?

>>10423178
Besides her performance, which was not anything different than how she normally does, the one thing that I would critique her on is her choice of outfit. I get where she was trying to go with the whole leotard and petticoat thing, but it really just looked like she didn't wear safety shorts and was just wearing undergarments. Obviously a leotard isn't really undergarments, but she could've maybe layered another skirt above the petticoat so that we couldn't see through the petticoat while still having the fluffiness.

>>10423301
I’m pretty new and haven’t heard of SH. How was her performance?

>>10423178
I'm watching it now.... It's really bad so far. No one has really stood out to me.... Delacui can't sing well at all, and I hate Jenny's voice so much.

>>10423357
Same anon. Just finished the idol festival....

It was bad.
Really. Really. Bad.....

I'm actually very glad my faves pulled out... accusations aside, to be associated with that is just wrong.

Anybody checking out the online convention Idolfes2020 this weekend?

>>10423178
it was weird to see really high quality videos followed by people dancing with no shoes on in their rooms/a gym. There wasn't a set standard and it showed.

>>10423311
It was messy in terms of preparation and tech issues, which some couldn't have been helped, but maybe going through what she was gonna do a couple times might have prevented the big tech issues. Her dancing is very unremarkable, not memorable in terms of being good, but more memorable in terms of being bad. She has very stiff movements and lacks proper pacing in her spins and jumps. But this is all just my opinion.

So who were some of the better performers?

>>10423873
It's hard to say cause some were performances and then others were just showing music videos. Out of the performers I loved Jenny's cause I could tell she'd put a lot of effort into it. I also liked Koneko despite the audio issues and I really enjoyed Masyum, her voice was lovely!

>>10423873
Lita, Masayume, and Koneko were literally the only good ones.

I kind of wish SYA wasn’t there. I mean I like the song Message but it was kind of lazy to submit it for the festival

>>10423452
I see Jenny has entered that too so we get to hear that 'wonderful' voice!

>>10424131
I also really liked Shooting Star Idols, I didn’t know about them before but they were really good

>>10423655
Honestly compared to her videos from like a year ago I’d say she’s improved some. Ya she’s still stiff but I can see the improvement.

>>10424131
Did they just submit the music video to be played?

>>10424408
Yeah they did, they also did an introduction video too

>>10424155
Jenny has consistently had the same quality content since I was a literal child it's crazy how little shes improved or changed considering how long shes been performing at cons...

>>10424734
I guess I’m a little bitter because I personally would have liked them to do the SYA Theme Song in that cool video formation other groups are doing, and not just recycled videos.

Which festival? Where are you watching it?
I think I'm having a dumb moment

>>10424910
Nah I wouldn't say it's a dumb moment when every single festival is some variation of "idol fes". Music Matsuri made the right choice. Their's is the only name that will leave an impact. The rest are too similar.

Well I'm a big fan of Jenny, she might not be everyone's favourite cup of tea but she does have a voice that is a lot better than other idols faking a cute over the top Japanese voice.

>>10425120
Ok jenny

>>10425120
shut the fuck up Jenny. Go back to reporting negative posts about you, it was a lot more tolerable.

>>10425120

Her voice is very inconsistent in terms of tone. It's not as bad as it used to be (London to Tokyo sounds like she's literally tone deaf), but she still doesn't have the breath control to stay on tone. She also doesn't have much of a sense of rhythm. I don't think she gets brownie points just for using her natural voice. Anyway, she's getting better, and it's totally fine to be a fan of someone even if they're not perfect, but there's no need to insult people who use cute voices just to defend your tastes.

>>10425120
I’d rather hear the cute pseudo voice than tone deafness

New thread, sorry about the wait >>10425841