/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10415663
I guess I'm an old hag now, this just doesn't look like lolita to me

Dumping some photos from KERA

>>10415670

>>10415671
IW

>>10415677
Sheglit

>>10415678
Triple Fortune

>>10415680
Royal Princess Alice

>>10415682
MAM MAXICIMAM
End of dump

>>10415667
These types of designs are specifically made for us old hags to cover up our shameful hag bodies. Even the glorious Japanese rebelliousness sadly has a limit.

>>10415692
;-;

>>10415667
I can think of several ops that are very similar to this. what are you on about?

>>10415680
Good lord that’s hideous

>>10415711
>>10415711
it makes me think of those communion dresses that babies wear

>>10415518
The bloodbaths on the glitter clips make me the most angry. Just make more, it’s such a small accessory.

>>10415683
cupcake liner kei

>>10415667
yeah tea length often just looks like normal dresses to me. is she even wearing a petti?

What's up with the secondhand market? I first used Closet Child in 2014, but these days it seems like the lolita selection there is smaller. People are saying that wunderwelt and lace market are having worse selections too. Did I miss out on the golden age of secondhand sales?

>>10415667
I'm 30 and I love old school but this made me cackle

>>10415733
The good stuff doesn’t get listed on CC’s website since they know it’ll sell in store.

>>10415733
for the japanese sites, you are now competing with thousands of chinese lolitas so good stuff gets snapped up fast. for lm, idk, the mods suck and the site is way out of date so maybe that

>>10415667
>>10415721
I'm a classicfag but I love it. This looks like something I could wear every day.

>>10415749
LM might be out of date but is there a good alternative for western sellers? Are people just not selling their items anymore?

>>10415733
It seems like the good stuff on Lacemarket gets snapped up faster than usual these days. I suppose more people have free time due to the quarantine. Also extra income from stimulus checks.

>>10415586
Thank you anon! Getting those two dresses felt extremely refreshing. I hope customs eventually clears your package and you get your items! I've been hearing that other ISCs have been very slow recently, but stuff does eventually get through. It's odd because the centers in Los Angeles and SF that my mail normally go through are operating at normal speeds. I thought they would be impacted the worst.

>>10415717
Nayrt I'm happy the glitter clips aren't something I'm personally after... but I agree that simple, small items shouldn't be impossible to get. It feels like it doesn't matter anymore what the items is - if it's AP it just sells.

>>10415757
>Are people just not selling their items anymore?
I suspect it's this, probably partially covid fear and destruction fear

>>10415757
fb selling groups are pretty active. i would like to see a better, up to date alternative with good mods but no one ever makes it so eh

>>10415680
That dress is eating Misako

>>10415758
I rarely see good sales on LM make it past the New Listings on the front page. Otherwise the same stuff just languishes for weeks getting discounted over and over.

>>10415711
triple fortune is very hit or miss

>>10415683
i want this dress so bad, i hope CDJapan restocks

>>10415762
I feel like FB groups are active but absolutely swamped with WTBs.

>>10415733
>Did I miss out on the golden age of secondhand sales?
Yes, about a decade ago lol.

>>10415667
Yeah I feel the same way while it may be J fashion I do not get lolita vibes
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>>10415671
I get that they’re going for a kind of grown-up Alice vibe (the series is called Active Alice for those who don’t know) but the office worker collar and tie ruin it for more, I’d like it otherwise. The tie is probably removable but the collar is still an unforgivable sin.

>>10415848
*for me

tfw no lolita gf

I’m disappointed in moitie coord contest on instagram once more. It’s obvious that people just vote for iconic prints. The theme is summer and winter coords using the same main piece, but a lot of most voted look like something you can only wear at room temperature OTT tea parties.

>>10415663
I swear my aunt has the same fucking dress.

>>10415782
I like their tights and accessories but all of their main pieces are tragic

>>10415782
Until recently, I thought they only made bonnets. That's all I ever see people buy/talk about.

>>10415750
>This looks like something I could wear every day
Well yeah, but that's kind of the issue
I don't mean this against you specifically, but the idea of having to normify a coord has always made me wonder, why not just dress normal?

>>10415682
How does RPA always get it so wrong? I really like what they did with the lace on top, the draping lace sleeves is a cute look but everything below that is a mess from the cheap ribbon “sash” to the awful extra long frill

>>10415865
Why does lolita have to be OTT? That's not exactly practical for daily life. Also, some lolitas just prefer the look of more simple or toned down dresses.

>>10415865
Like I said, I only wear classic and I’m attracted to the fashion because I like elegant and well-made clothing, not because I want to look really unusual. Anyway, most normies dress so utterly boring and potato-like that even something this simple looks bizarre to them.

>>10415873
Well
I mean
I still have the same question now

>>10415865
Because I don’t want to dress normal

>>10415877
Yeah but you kind of are, that's what I mean

>>10415873
What’s up with people equating normal coords with OTT? There’s a spectrum of how fancy outfits are, you can wear lolita without 10 different accessories and wigs and it still not looking like normie pseudo-vintage dress. Even casual coords with cutsews and nearly no accessories have more of a lolita feel than this.

>>10415865
I see people say things like this a lot, as if a simpler dress is automatically a concession to the normies. A lot of people just have simpler tastes. I like OTT looks on other people, but on me they always feel wrong so I prefer to stick with solids or florals with clean lines for the most part.

Besides, as >>10415874 says, normies are staring regardless. That dress is still pretty outlandish by their standards, at least where I'm from.

>>10415879
Not really though. I can wear my most basic toned-down classic IW with no petti and strangers will still ask me why I’m dressed so fancy

>>10415882
That loops me back around to my original question again :/

>>10415883
I know you're baiting but god damn you must be an annoying person irl

>>10415884
I was serious the first couple of posts

>>10415883
I wear lolita instead of normie to reward myself for the fact that I will never be as fucking retarded as you are

>>10415888
kek.

>>10415865
Someone took the "Virgin Gothic/Chad Sweet" meme a little too seriously

>>10415898
kek, don't get me wrong, I don't think you have to be ott all the time, I just don't get not wanting to fit the silhouette at least

>>10415884
i second this, just reading this back and forth is supper annoying

the meme thread was a bad idea
now everyone is posting irrelevant memes that have no connection to the conversation.
thanks I hate it

>>10415680
Misako really dont know how to handle gothic as a model

>>10415864
Their bonnets aren't even made by them

>>10415854
>It’s obvious that people just vote for iconic prints
Are you really surprised? That's todays moitiefags for you. Coords, quality, design or fit doesn't matter as long as you own something desired or rare.

>>10415854
The coord options weren’t that creative for me. It was just swap the bolero, swap the socks. Very boring and predictable.

>>10415985
Moitiefags are definitely the worst for this by far imo. It used to be a toss-up between them and the APfags but the latter seems to have improved a bit over the years.

>>10415858
Then your aunt has STEEZE, anon

UPS just announced a service disruption for Louisville, KY, which is where all Yamato packages in the US are received.
My package just got there late last night and the announcement was made 5 hours later. My package hasn't moved since (normally it would already be in my state by now, because Yamato is that fast).

I hate everything.

>>10415865
I know right, like who even wants to wear lolita in their normal everyday life?

>>10415996
tard

>>10415999
what is irony

>>10416000
bitch I give the fuck up, have fun looking like an office lady, fuck street fashion I guess

>>10416001
kek I am >>10416000 I had no other part in this conversation.
Stop trying to bate people i get it your life is boring but can we move on.
Also have you ever seen a VM dress what are you on about

>>10415879
Nothing is normal about lolita and most normies will flip shit if you wear even the most casual of coords.
However, you'd know this if you actually wore the fashion out and about prior to quaratine.

>>10416006
it's probably some dumb scrote who doesn't even wear lolita.

>>10415995
god dammit, my package is there too.

>>10416001
I'm not a big fan of classic but it is real and part of lolita whether you like it or not.
You could wear pic related to the office and people would think you look nice but they would also be amazed with the clothing because it's not what they're used to.

>>10416021
How long ago did yours arrive?
I know I'm just being impatient, but I'm pissed I pay $50 for shipping and then UPS just suspends any semblance of delivery guarantee. I wish they said WHAT the disruption was. My package still says it will be delivered tomorrow, but I doubt that's accurate, unless the disruption only effects incoming packages?

>>10416006
>>10416022
The pic you attached is great, I'm not saying classic isn't lolita; wtf?
>have you ever seen VM
Have you ever seen lolita? Like before 2015? Am I seriously one out like five people in this thread that isn't used to lolita being tea length with no poof?

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>>10416030

>>10416031

>>10416030
>>10416031
>>10416032

>>10416028

ntayrt but all that is before 2015

>>10416028
I suppose I'm a super old oldfag because I remember first getting into lolita with the strict rules being like "nothing shorter or longer than knee length". Even above knee dresses were scrutinized sometimes, and then with the rise of popularity of salopettes and the "mini" versions of skirts brands like Meta released people strictly believed anything not knee length wasn't lolita. Nowadays we have dresses that hit the floor and mini skirt coords and it seems like no one minds

>>10416035
I am flabbergasted that someone can be this obtuse, and yet think I'm the scrote
I'm not saying that no brand has ever made a long cut dress before holy shit
also >>10416032 isn't lolita at all, so maybe I've been eating bait anyway

Petition for the different substyles to separate already

>>10416039
The great lolita schism of 2020

>>10416032
That is literally a women's suit, not the best image to argue with

>>10416038
it's ok anon i get you
just let them be cute, worse things have been called lolita.

>>10416044
fine

Canada anon here.
Newest package ordered via EMS should finally be delivered today or tomorrow. It was mailed from Japan on June 1 to give an idea of times.

This one actually took longer than the one I ordered a couple weeks prior. Most of the delay was waiting for it to arrive in Canada so I’m assuming it’s due to a backlog at customs.

>>10416055
>only having to wait 16 days
I'm jealous as an American anon. Even though Yamato and DHL have been okay workarounds, I'm sick of having to spend $20 on shipping for every CC order now, and $30 for even the smallest Yamato orders. I know shipping isn't going back to normal for probably many more months... but I just want to wake up from this bad dream.

>>10416040
we gettin balkanised baybee

>>10416036
Well, floor lenght dresses had place in old school lolita

>>10415682
What's the quality of their socks like? I think the design looks cute, but the OTKs look like those printed thin ones that AP releases from time to time and I'd rather not pay up for overpriced meh quality

>>10416026
My update for KY only happened today I believe.
I wish they said what the disruption was too. Like does my dress have covid or do they not have enough workers?

>>10416028
Fashion evolves. Lolita already doesn't look like it did back in 2015.

>>10416060
I wish EGA made a comeback. I only see it mentioned as an alternative for guys who wouldn’t look good in ouji, but no one really seems to wear it anymore.

>>10416077
I'm such an anxious mess. I've been checking news for the Louisville, KY airport and I can't find anything about any disruptions (besides general covid). Meanwhile, UPS says it's "beyond UPS's control." Seems kind of BS. I just want to know when I can actually expect my package..?

>>10415682
This is one of the first RPA dresses I actually like, seems they're finally learning to actually put lace on the bottom of their dresses. Still think it could use something like a shorter lace trim to transition between the fabric and the super long lace but this is an improvement. Shame the cut is so weird.

>>10416085
I literally forgot EGA existed for a long period and recently remembered that I loved it before I even entered lolita fashion. Now I’m sad it’s so neglected and want to give it a try.

>>10416081
came here to post this, first actual counterpoint in the thread

>>10416094
I hope it's just something like they're over loaded with packages.
I too really want my dress since the rest of the coord is already showing up or on the way.

>>10416111
My package apparently departed at 1:59 P.M. EST. So maybe our packages escaped purgatory since they had already arrived?

Here's to hoping so. I have those damn AP bunny ears in that package.

>>10416058
At least you don't have to pay $40 - $50 in your own currency for each EMS package due to the crappy exchange rate

>>10416135
But, in all fairness, I wouldn't want that exchange rate either.

>>10416103
Nyart, start a thread. I think there's at least three of us here who want EGA to see the light of day again. That's enough for a thread, provided OP dumps.

>>10416131
>So maybe our packages escaped purgatory since they had already arrived
I hope so but I have two updates for Louisville now so who knows. I already expected to wait because some how people having COVID effects shipping.

Does Punk or Wa lolita ever look good? Or are westerners just bad at pulling off both styles?

>>10416188
i think it can look good, even on non-japanese. the main issue with the style is that most of the time the people into it are itas. it's super easy to make a good punk coord, with brands like maxi or putumayo (if you can get it) but many people gravitate to their ita shit. same for wa, but wa is much easier now that there are more styles besides bodyline tier yukata sleeves and skirt. the new AP wa set is a good example of something that looks cute without looking like some MMO costume.

>>10416188
wa looks good on asians only. white girls look like ridiculous cringy weebs. punk is really hard to pull off but i see decent ones around.

>>10416409
>>10416188
>wa looks good about 1 % of the time asian or not

Honestly, it just is hard to pull off period. Alot of the dresses that incorporates wa tend to look like garbage too so that can't be helping.
Punk at least while it has an Ita magnet on it at least about 25% of coords are decent or look cool.
Honestly both are sides of lolita I do not recommend for newbies.

>>10416437
I love her. She used to be a fatty but became a beauty

>>10416460
She was never fat

>>10416055
I've had one take 2 weeks, and 1 that took 3 weeks. the 3 week one was ordered the day after the 2 week one.

>>10416461
this. She used to just be normal sized.

>>10416188

Wa has an issue where the original is a nearly-floor-length cylinder, paired with ankle length socks (tabi) and slippers (zori etc). When it's adapted to lolita a lot of the original items like haori are too long and the wrong shape for lolita, the tabi socks look plain retarded (normally the plain top of the socks are covered by the kimono), the slippers look out of place, other things make it difficult for traditional inspiration to transfer directly into lolita.

By itself this problem isn't too bad if the folks doing wa lolita actually understand what looks good on their own body types and understand not to directly transfer things that don't look good.

But, it's compounded by the ita problem >>10416195 mentions, where the folks who are drawn to it the most are the weebs inspired by garish animu cartoons, and when it comes to coords they constantly place "muh fandom stfu u dun understand" priorities over actually looking decent. Thus, they shit out bad coords all the time, and that's before you add in the "normal ita" problems -- too poor/cheapskate resulting in shortcuts, too many loliables, poor colour choices, etc etc.

Punk just has the normal problems as gothic, people underestimate how "soft" and kawaii lolita is supposed to be -- even punk lolita has to be cute for it to be lolita. Generally people mix in too many edgy western punk/gothic stuff, sometimes in the name of "punk is about breaking da rrrurus". And then end up with some mismatched outfit that doesn't look cute.

>>10416469
Looking at her arms she still looks thin

>>10416460
She had a chubby face, but her clothing fit fine.

is qpot popular with lolitas?

>>10416522
To say the least, not just for sweet either

>>10416460
she's clearly got a pretty severe ED. she looks pretty skelly in a lot of her pics

>>10416188
Both require knowledge about lolita fashion , other j-fashions AND creativity, which is why the majority struggles with them.

Why do ap keep releasing these hoodie dresses, sure they cute on paper, but I've never see anyone be able to look good in them. Even the model looks frumpy in this

Another ap gingham release this Saturday, nothing really too interesting

>>10416541
Also this jsk, which is somewhat cute

>>10416540
Listen Flavor does this type of dress better. They can look cute, but imo don't work with the lolita siilhouette.

>>10416540
they are supper cheap to make

>>10416541
This is so cute

>>10416541
I like the sax and red colors but like most recent releases, I’m worried about the material...

>>10416460
People like you are the reason people have EDs

>>10416540
>>10416541
>>10416542
All of this is so boring. It's basically normie. I just want to cry at how far AP has fallen.

>>10416542
that's a really high waist

>>10416478
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. She didn't need to lose ANY weight.

>>10416566
stop being so fucking dramatic. AP still releases all kinds of outlandish prints.

>>10416566
Not that I'm in love with anything here, but I'm really struggling to see what you find "normie" about the last two dresses other than their lack of a print. AP have been making simple solid pieces like this for absolutely ages.

>>10416566
Shut the fuck up larper

>>10416577
The last dress in particular >>10416572 I can go buy at a store right now. There is absolutely nothing special about it. I swear I've seen it a million times before.
The middle dress is slightly more lolita, but barely. Take away the big bow on the front and it's normie.
I feel like the point of having a brand is that you can tell it's from that brand. This isn't it.

>>10416575
>>10416588
What kind of hate juice is cgl sipping today?

>>10416590
I feel like calling dresses normie is thrown around a lot these days, but you're right, that third dress which is just a sack with a high waist is actually popular in normie stores nowadays. RIP AP.

>>10416590
Ayrt, on second examination I'll give you the third one. In >>10416542 it didn't look as normie to me but looking at >>10416572 I totally have seen things very similar to this in normie stores lately.

I don't know who these ultra high-waist things are for anyway. I'm flat so I feel like I'm the target demographic but I hate them so much and nobody else seems to like them either. Are they popular in China?

>>10416598
I agree, and I admit that I really dislike the word "normie." I reserve using it for pretty extreme cases. So maybe me calling the second dress normie is a stretch, but there is no excuse for the third.

>>10416542
>>10416572
I can’t be the only one who sees Karami AP edition here.

>>10416540
I really want this to sleep/lounge around in but fuck if I'm paying that much for PJs.

>>10416590
>>>10416572 I can go buy at a store right now
>>10416602
>I totally have seen things very similar to this in normie stores lately.
So link? AP always followed trends, I'm not sure why this is surprising. But if you have a link I'm very interested in buying.

>>10416645
Nayrt and I've never seen anything exactly like that in normie stores but lately I've seen dresses with similar lace pattern, sort of similar cuts, etc. They're much more short and revealing and obviously don't have the same poof, so I wouldn't say it's the same

>>10415864
And fuck me, I hate those bonnets. They are so tacky.

>>10416609
lol same, i couldn't justify the bunny college hoodie OP's price at the time but i still really want one. i got the normal hoodie at least. they're so cute and comfy!

>>10415899
i guess silhouette-wise it's like the classic version of ega

>>10416085
people still wear it and i know brands like BOZ still make women's pieces, it's just not that popular here.

For anyone interested in shipping updates -

My last packages from Japan were dispatched. Both were e-packet, originally shipped on 4/21 (from WW and CC). I'm in the US.

Thank you Japan for not making me actually wait 4 months.

>>10416188
I think punk would look nice if people went for 70/80s punk and not 2000s punk

>>10416515
She has a burgeoning double chin in that pic, from both angles.

>>10416690
it's not real punk you autist.

>>10416188
Westerners are bad at punk because they can't seem to understand punk lolita is supposed to be japanese punk fashion x lolita rather than western definition of punk, which are drastically different from each other, and end up with mismatched jean jacket fishnets and docs with a sweet jsk coords they claim to be punk.

>>10416695
Funny you mention that after posts like >>10416690

>>10416647
Yeah I didn't expect a response. This fabric is quite common, but I've never seen it as nice in normie stores. Maybe vintage stores if I got lucky, but I don't have any near me.

AP USA is releasing Royal Crown Berry tomorrow, but I never got a release email like I normally do listing all the items. Did AP USA not send one out? The release is clearly promoted on their site. Why does AP USA continue to suck so much?

>>10416718
Funny you say that, I just got the email 30 minutes after your post.

>>10416756
AP must have heard me... I got the email too.

>>10416718
How fast does this shit fly off the shelves? Was gonna try and get it and I've never been around for a new release before.

Tokyo Girls Update stopped their premium membership program, so all paywall articles are public now and there is an interesting series about kawaii that also covers the origins of lolita.
https://tokyogirlsupdate.com/?s=Kawaii+2.0+Theory

>>10416770
it could be 2 minutes some unpopular items might stay up for an hour though.

>>10416770

The Magical Etoile looking jewelry and the bunny ears will be the first to go (let's see if I manage to get those after failing on the wristcuffs)

The actual royal crown berry stuff beyond jewelry prolly won't be too hard to get. I feel like many allover prints are less desirable or popular than typical border style prints with AP. Plus it's another cheap poly looking thing. I could be wrong though; I rarely buy new AP main pieces anymore after the disappointment that was HC MTO.

>>10416645
Nyart and I don’t have a link, but i’ve seen something pretty similar at ZARA last year

>>10416884
>ZARA
I wasn't really looking for fast fashion that'll fall apart after two washes.

>>10416914
Okay, then buy from AP lmao

>>10415803
The WTBs drive me nuts, especially when it’s a sought after item. It’s just seems like laziness to me, like get your shit together and stalk the secondhand market like the rest of us. If someone wants to sell their milky planet they’re not going to go back through the WTBs and contact you

>>10416919
Obviously. It's a common criticism that when AP puts out a solid, anons have seen it before in normie stores, but have no links/proof.

>>10416923
You're a very literal person aren't you

>>10416690
I agree, when lolitas do punk it looks like they went to hot topic in 2007. I’d love to see more leather and diy aspects, less red tartan

>>10416922
>especially when it’s a sought after item
This drives me crazy too. I always hope people aren't dumb enough to actually contact that one buyer (who will probably try to haggle the price down because "muh dream item"), when there's a hundred people probably after the same piece. When I see WTBs like that, I always thought, "What makes you so special..?"

WTBs really only make sense to me when it's a kind of random piece that someone might not think about selling unless they knew someone wanted it.

>>10416922
>>10416987
Kek you sound afraid. WTBs are still quite effective and it's much easier to sell this way too, you have no one but yourselves to blame for being slow and missing out.

>>10416994
Okay so we should all post WTBs of Milky Planet/Sugary Carnival/Puppet Circus at the same time and flood the group? Sounds like a fucking nightmare.

How do you guys come to term with aging? I know it's a normal process that men and women go through,but all my life i've been told "woman aging bad" and as much as lolita has that whole "fuck you,i don't live for anyone but myself" mindset,that doesn't care about conventional beauty,society expectations,...it can be hard to detach yourself from something ingrained. I am 30 now and wrinkles are showing despite my diet,skincare,sunscreen applying,...

>inb4 scrotes come to derail with a caveman brain argument and call me a hag or something

>>10415803
buying threads too

>>10417052
I'm new to wearing lolita, I don't get to wear lolita at all in daily life and I can only wear it to events or photoshoots, so idk if this is relevant, but I am actually finding it easier to dress lolita-adjacent as I'm getting a little older. Not sure if this makes sense but in high school and college it was really difficult to dress in anything outside of the jeans + sweater norm, and now that I'm a working adult I can wear ruffly blouses to work and I don't look like I'm playing dress up if I wear more sophisticated styles. I'm mostly into classical and gothic lolita styles though, so it may be different for sweet lolitas. My expectation is that as I get older I can experiment more with wearing vintage/elegant styles in daily life that let me enjoy my favorite parts of lolita without wearing full lolita (long, full skirts/delicate blouses/ classic prints and colour schemes)

>>10417052
Remember when you were 15 and deeesperately wanted to be 20+? I feel like the same thing happens in reverse once you get older, including the part where you ACTUALLY get truly wrinkly/old and realize how dumb it was to obsess over age. Just try to change your thought patterns, enjoy being 30, 30 is young to the 50 year old you.

>>10416572
Fucking hate High waist dresses. Ap and Baby always make their plus size dress HW and its horrible

>>10417052
For me, i like to watch interviews with older women in the media that I look up to (like vivienne westwood) and remind myself that life doesn’t end for a woman when they begin aging. I think beauty is something that comes from within, like how a woman carries herself or expresses compassion for others. Think about how the people who love you see you and try to see yourself the same way.

>>10417052
Im excited for it desu, by the time Im 40 I'll have enough capital to buy shit WHILE ALSO not giving any fucks

>>10417056
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>>10417070
Thank you gulls,this was very insightful and true, (and needed).

>>10417003
Exactly. Such a waste. Anyone with any sense would sell a dream print like as an auction

>>10417066
Same!!! We all hate it, who is asking for this?? I get that lolita fashion in general has slightly higher waistlines because it’s a youthful look but damn, a 6” bodice? We have adult women bodies.

>>10417147
"Adult bodies"
You do realize this fashion attracts small busted thinner women, right? They're adults too

>>10417081
Watching the movie Ocean’s 8 recently made me feel a lot better about aging. Those women and Cate Blanchette in particular had amazing diverse styles and they’re all 30+
Made me realize that just because a lot of women start dressing like shit when they get in their 30s doesn’t mean I have to. Sounds cringey to credit a silly movie like that but it’s something I’m struggling with right now and it struck a chord with me

>>10417149
Yeah and all the flat women I know hate it too. I seriously don’t know a single lolita who likes that style

>>10417147
I wonder if it's popular with the Chinese or something

>>10417149
The dresses I'm talking about won't fit petit women because the B&W would be too loose.

You have to admit that it's pretty fucking weird that the dress that ARE made for bustier chicks are mostly in cuts that won't flatter them. Putting these dresses in a weird limbo state. Plus size HW dresses aren't for anyone desu

>>10416770
it's a toss up and you never really know what will go fast. ice cream parlor sold out immediately whereas chateau d'cume was sitting there for a good while.

I'm not surprised at IW struggling/possibly closing. I think it will happen eventually to any brand that isn't popular with Chinese lolitas. They are the only ones with the numbers and purchasing power to keep brands going in this age.

>>10417153
That's literally the trend, for it to be loose. Because most asians even when they gain weight, don't tend to get busty. And in case you haven't noticed, Japan doesn't have a trend of being skinny anymore.

>>10417158
I hate that all the brands have to cater to the Chinese, their taste sucks and is so “look at me I’m a smol elfin fairy in pwincess clothes, I’m so tiny these dresses are huge on me and I might float away” mixed with a nouveau rich mindset

>>10417163
Oooooh, that's why dresses got so huge

>>10416718
what even is good in this release? the balloon plastic tash that won't even burn well?

>>10416922
>>10416987
When you are loaded and ready to drop whatever number some rando might suggest, that's the only time when you should post wtb's

general poorfag wtb's are annoying as fuck though

>>10416987
Like this. Wow she’ll pay $200 for milky planet with the matching accessories??
kek

>>10417192
>Milky Planet
>Dreamy Baby Room
>Dolly Cat
>Fancy Paper Dolls
>Toy Doll Box
This is the most ridiculous ask I have ever seen.These dresses go above $200 just by themselves, let alone including all the accessories (Yes, I know, in some rare circumstances these get listed for less and are bought in milliseconds. Maybe you could get them for less 3 years ago).
It's painfully obvious this person has no knowledge of the current secondhand market and just wants a lucky handout.

Also what is up with people posting literally a whole wardrobe worth of dresses as a WTB? This is 25 dresses. This is just a desperate wishlist.

>>10417192
>200 for HC
Summer is eternal

>>10417192
Some of these aren’t even AP. She must be a newbie to think she’ll get any of these for that price

>>10417192
she can MAYBE get the milky berry halter jsk and KC for that price, maybe.

>>10417192
I'd sell her my milky berry halter in black for that, but the kc is custom made and the previous owner blew-out the socks

>[2020 Innocent World Summer Sales Notice]
>Every year our customers enjoy our summer sales.
>This year, in order to prevent the spread of coronavirus we will be hosting our summer sale online. (Start: Thursday June 8th 12 P.M. JST)
>After a 2 month break, we have resumed sales at our Osaka and Shinjuku stores, but our Shinjuku store in particular has seen a decrease in customers since it is located near Kabukicho.
>Because of the current restrictions on international packages, we are also unable to send orders overseas, so our sales have taken a big hit.
>If you look at the news, you see that even fast fashion brands that appeared to be thriving are now declaring bankruptcy and closing, our company is currently in a severe situation and I worry about what tomorrow holds for us.
>Today, on the day we have overcome this corona crisis and operate both the Osaka and Shinjuku stores as before, my honest feelings are that I want to be able to hold out long enough to resume overseas orders to lolitas.
>We have a lot of new releases coming out, I hope that you are able to order from our “new releases” and “sales” sections.
>I hope everyone will continue to use their abilities to support Innocent World and our ability to make clothes. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for your continued support.
>Innocent World Owner/Designer Fujiwara Yumi
Translation source: https://stephano.me/fashion/blog/innocent-world-financial-crisis?fbclid=IwAR2jBH_kEFh17cREakgDqpHW-Xdhmk0Ob4YpDnc4UkHbvdrd3lwvBzz1KNg

Seems like IW is having some financial trouble?

>>10417285
>needs money
>won’t ship overseas

>>10417276
Well it’s in the “Angelic Pretty Sales (ONLY) World Wide” group, have at it

>>10417285
Why don’t they just offer to hold packages? That’s what Meta is doing.

>>10417299
This makes the Baby dresses in there even funnier

>>10417285
I want to support them because like half my closet is IW, but I was just so very disappointed the last couple of times I bought something new from them. I can’t really justify dropping 300$ on a dress that feels like a plastic bag when I can get one of their nice quality pre 2010 releases for less than 100$.

>>10417285
I just don't understand why they won't ship overseas at all. Restrictions have been lifted for a lot of countries and while I understand some are still under lockdown, they could just offer to hold packages for those. There are so many things I've been waiting to order from them since March and it makes me even sadder to know they're struggling and I can't even support them.

>>10417205
Magic Princess seems reasonable but the rest is crazy lowballing

>>10417285
Everyone who bitched about VM not offering enough sizes last time better put their money where their fucking mouths are this time.

If you all could ban one lolita item that isn't inherently against the rules or ita, what would it be?

For me it's gold shoes. I think we've proven as a fashion that we can't be trusted with them.

>>10417339
Underskirts. They're always hideous and slightly too short skirts are a hundred times better.

>>10417335
Everyone I know who was commenting “I would‘ve bought sooo much from them if only they made things in my size!! This is where being non-inclusive gets you :((” at VM’s announcement were sweet lolitas who rarely even wear solids and have no interest in classic. I’m not looking forward to another round of that.

>>10417348
This is really concerning considering innocent world was one of the more generous brands to begin with. The only thing stopping me from ever buying from them personally was the apparent degradation of quality according to anons here and stuff that i want never being in stock.I really only have interest in their cardigans and accessories.

>>10417339
Can we ban brands from making poor quality shoes? I'm really confused why normie brands can make decent quality pleather stuff that lasts for years and is cheap and brands can't for some reason.

>>10417353
seconding shitty plastic shoes

>>10417353
>>10417355
Thirding, it's so depressing. I hate having to choose between having designs I love and shoes that won't start falling apart on the fifth wear. At least I'm classic/gothic, the sweets have basically zero normie shoe options.

>>10417335
>>10417348
A small vindictive part of me wants them to close down permanently just to disprove their' virtue signaling.

>>10417357
I wore sweet for the first time this year and got a pair of AP tea parties. How does anyone walk in them? Cut into my feet terribly and were a thousand times more uncomfortable than my platform heels.

>>10417335
>>10417358
As much as I'm still bitter about the way people treated VM's closing, no one wins when IW closes down. Even if the quality of their blouses and dresses went downhill the past couple of years, their boleros, socks and hair accessories are still good and extremely versatile and it would be a real shame if they closed.

>>10417362
I agree, they're my go-to when buying accessories new. I'd be devastated to see them go, they're by far the brand site I've bought most from over the years.

>>10417335
I used to be a generous IW supporter who made direct purchases with them 2-3 times a year since 2010, but I honestly can't justify it anymore. The last time was I was truly satisfied with their quality was around 2016/2017 and then their quality had a massive drop and everything I've bought since then had been terrible, especially the solids. Even though I still like some of their new designs I can already see just by looking at their stock images, that the dress will have no lining or supbar plasticky/wrinkly fabric and I just can't convince myself spending money on this. I'm solely supporting VM these days, no regrets.

>>10417362
The only thing really going for them these days is that they're cheap and in stock. Their boleros and accessories aren't as nice as other brands', and I basically only buy socks from them these days.

>>10417205
Dolly Cat special set doesn't go for that much. I got mine for under $200.

>>10416131
Hey my dress showed up!
I hope you also got your package, anon!

>>10417365
>>10417362
I actually like the new quality still but the designs are uglier. I wear both new and old IW and even though a lot of new releases are poly they are thick, non wrinkle poly. The lace and detailing is great and the fabric choices are different but practical. What I hate is super long length and lack of diversity in bodice cuts, but I still but 1-2 releases a year of the normal length dresses with decent bodice designs

Any brands that have cutsew dresses longer than 95cm that are not hard to find? I already own pic related.

>>10417376
Thanks anon!
I got my package yesterday. It had my full set of Vanilla-Chan jewelry, which was kind a dream. I'm doing my best to enjoy it, even though everything else in the world is kind of a mess.

I'm glad at least our packages didn't seem delayed!

>>10417348
I'm a sweet lolita that has admired IW for years. Now that I'm older I have been wanting to wear classic more and more (personal taste, i still plan to be sweet in my 30s as well). I have always heard that they are not for people with boobs or plus size because of the tube bodices? I hope to buy from them sometime soon. I only discovered how great Putumayo is after they closed down.

Also IW is very iconic and has their own style without too much bending to trends. I always appreciated that about them.

>>10416541
>>10416556

You know, ironically enough I have a feeling this is going to be both 100% polyester and also some kind of specialty fabric. You can kind see her skintone through the sleeves somewhat (the skirt is a lot whiter and opaque), and there's a sort of waffley waveyness to the fabric texture.

I think they actually picked this fabric because it's more interesting than your average quilting gingham fabric, but it's the same reason it's probably polyester.

>>10417342
Second this. Underskirts are very obvious and look like the dress is too short but you dont have money for another

>>10417537
>waffley waveyness
It looks like seersucker fabric, which is usually cotton and super nice and airy for summer but I agree this is probably going to be polyester again.

So many burando went downhill quality-wise (AP, IW, AatP)
Why do you think that have happened? What brands are still good?

>>10417549
I think it’s happened because the prices have effectively gone down by not raising the price with inflation. They also seem to be bouncing around between production facilities and it can be hard to maintain quality when that’s the case. Third, I think they’re pumping out too many designs too quickly and not taking more time on them to do a good job and not designing a full range of items to go with them

>>10417405
sweet mildred has one that's a little borderline up and you could ask her to make you one, she's really solid

>>10417549
Competition from cheap Chinese fast fashion lolita brands. There's only so much market share.

Also their inability to innovate. Tube bodices are rarely flattering on womens bodies

Can someone explain the reason Japan stopped shipping out from their country? I understand not wanting to accept inbound shipments for fear of bringing contamination in, but they have such low numbers and are shipping to random countries anyway so them spreading to others isn't the concern

>>10417516
Some are tubier than others but they definitely aren't cut with an hourglass in mind. They do sometimes come out with underbust jsks, bustiers, and other things that are more flattering on busts. Their accessories and especially socks are also fantastic. At least half my bows are the IW clip-in bows, they're beautiful and so easy to wear.

>>10417565
Their postal system is overwhelmed and can barely get stuff out overseas due to a lack of outgoing flights. I'm in their list of shippable countries and it still took over a month for stuff to leave Japan. I think if they opened to the US it would be chaos.

>>10417569
That makes a lot more sense

>>10417565
You need planes going both ways. I keep repeating myself on these boards, but for instance, there's literally only a handful of flights that go back and forth between the USA and Japan in a single week right now. Japan currently has a Refusal of Landing order that pertains to anyone that has been in the US for the past 14 days, or is a US citizen.
National postal systems rely on the space in passenger airplanes, so virtually no passenger flights == virtually no mail.

Got my Lyrical bunny headbow order in!

Sad I missed the wristcuffs but worst case scenarip I cave and pay a scalper once I get a better paying job offer thab my current job lined up.

My internet and data decided to have a giant stroke and I couldn’t get any of the items that were released by AP USA just now. I’m heartbroken, I really wanted that necklace and bunny ears.

>>10417578
I got my final colorway (white) of the Lyrical Bunny ears! I got the pink and yellow from the japan release a few weeks ago. Now hopefully AP confirms our orders.

>>10417579
Same anon, my internet blipped out right at 3pm EST :C

Holy shit, I barely made it to the break room to buy my shit. I didn’t get the main thing I wanted (balloon necklace, thanks AP for not giving me the add to cart option when I first clicked on it) but I got the OTKs, balloon ring and berry necklace!

This was my first time ordering from the website, y’all weren’t joking about it being a bloodbath

>>10417579
I'm so sorry anon; that's how sad I felt about the wristcuffs last go around...it really sucks

>>10417586
Which OTKs? I wasn't aware that there were any new ones in this release.

But congrats, anon! AP releases are no joke. I'm failed a lot, but I've finally gotten the pattern down.

My AP order is pending but I still don't have an email confirmation.

>>10417579
Check back to the site when you can anon, I missed out on the balloon accessories during the Paris release but I checked back on a whim and they happened to have restocked a pink one. I hope you get one eventually!

>>10417583
At least I’m not alone, this really sucks
>>10417588
Hope you eventually find those cuffs, may Mana bless you with good prices

>>10417590
The Airy Lace ones! They were a last minute decision but I’m in need of some accessories and socks to rebuild my wardrobe

Thank you! I feel bad for everyone who didn’t get their stuff though, do items ever get restocked randomly throughout the day?

>>10417591
What do you mean by "pending"? If you didn't get the "Thanks for your order" screen on the website, you didn't get the items.

If you did, maybe the email is in your spam? Gmail likes to mark AP as spam for me.

>>10417597
Ah I see! I hope you enjoy them.

I feel guilty that I got the coveted pink x sax lyrical bunny wristcuffs two releases ago, and now I have all three of the pastel ears as well. But I've also been after them forever, so... I'll enjoy them. It makes up for all the other good stuff I've missed secondhand in the past week.

Sometimes things get randomly restocked, but it's rare. If it happens, AP USA usually posts about it and then people swarm. I wouldn't tell anyone to keep their hopes up though? Usually, once it's gone, it's gone.

>>10417600

I'm surprised pink x sax is so coveted. I love berry prints and reds so I've always wanted just solid pink or pink x red items with few exceptions for acessories.

>>10417603
same i snagged the pink x red ears and was surprised to see they were the last to sell out (although they did like 2 min into the release)

Got less than half of the items I wanted. Missed the red x pink Lyrical Bunny HB and balloon necklace/ring in pink and mint. My internet was also acting weird anons >>10417582
>>10417583 so I feel your pain.

>>10417603
>>10417609
You're both lucky that your preferences aren't aligned with the most popular colors! My favorites are always the most popular (Not trying to be a cool kid, I just like pink and sax a lot).

Red has always been an aggressive color to me, so I don't really like wearing it. My whole wardrobe is pastel pink, sax, yellow, and white. In fact, one of the reasons why I'll never get the Lyrical Party JSK is because there's too much red lol. I think some people are also scared because red is notorious for running when wet?

i managed to get the balloon necklace in pink and the ring in mint but that was all. congrats to everyone who got something!

>>10417629
Congrats anon!

I actually got the balloon necklace about a year ago for $15 at a swap meet. I think about how that girl must feel now with the crazy prices of AP jewelry. I really wanted the lavendar colorway, but AP had to be dumb and make that store-limited.

>>10417636
that's so lucky! i have ever seen it on the 2nd hand market for less than $50.

I know it's common right now for AP USA to do a "presale," but did they mention the same about this release? My status on my order was updated as "sourcing from jp warehouse" and I don't know how long my order will take to reach me?

>>10417709
I hope it gets here by next week

>>10417489
That's awesome! My life is pretty shit these days and whose isn't really but it was kind of hard to enjoy my dress at first until I tried it on. Fits perfect and I'm super happy with it.

I was so shocked at how fast it showed up. I hope tenshi keeps the yamato shipping.

>>10417710
I got one of the Heart Cafe OP sets from APUSA last week and the “Sourcing from JP Warehouse” message stayed for about 2-3 days before it updated as shipped so there’s hope, anon!

>>10417597
I frequently notice sneaky restocks of socks and non-coveted hair accessories but the jewelry and bunny ears tend to be announced

i haven't been in the community for several years but due to Ms. Rona and the blessing of being laid off, i have a bunch of money lying around so now i'm tempted on getting started again

how much has changed since 2017-ish? (a lot, i'm assuming, i've kept up on the youtubers but i wanna know what's been going on on the seagull-side)

I feel like if sweet lolita would become separate from classic and gothic it would fix all the problems with people thinking we are pedo kinksters

>>10417713
I'm glad your dress fits so well! I'm pretty impressed with Yamato. I admit, I might use it even after Japan Post bounces back, if it's still offered by her.

>>10417724
>the blessing of being laid off, i have a bunch of money lying around
how the fuck does that work?
I got laid off last year but my severance pay went to bills and housing.

Must b nice to be you

>>10417743
I don't think so, there's a lot of goth ageplayers as well. Classic might be safe but the dark academia tumblr shit could lead ageplayers into it too.

>>10417743
i was laid off due to covid, and i suffered for like a hot month and a half draining my savings to pay bills, then i woke up today and saw $3000 in my bank account so that was nice

it's the $600+ weekly crisis pay that the US gvmt is giving people that got covid'd

>>10417730
I don't think so, there's a lot of goth ageplayers as well. Classic might be safe but the dark academia tumblr shit could lead ageplayers into it too.

>>10416478
girl on the left isn't the same girl.....

>>10416566
....this is reminiscent of the sailor cutsew dresses AP would put out every year anon.

>>10417724
inb4 wasting money on lolita then crying when job market is so fucked in the future and not having money
Some economic foresight might be smarter in this time my friend, unless your senpai got you covered I guess

JetJ's La Dame à la Licorne Robe 2020 is ready for shipping
https://twitter.com/J_et_J/status/1274175343897784323

>>10418052
GodI don't know why but I love pictures like these. Wish more brands would upload photos of piles of dresses ready to be shipped out like this.

>>10418057
I love it too. It's like grotesque beauty.

>>10418057
I'm sad it isn't a lot more with how they did the big COVID price cut special for this release and comes in sizes from tiny to average

>>10418052
tfw still no EMS to USA. I emailed them about another order I have pending with them as well, and they're currently not doing alternate options, at least for now.

>>10418057
>>10418063
There were photos of truckloads of dresses reserved by Chinese lolitas, right?

>>10418052
>>10418116
So satisfying

MiaoWu is releasing Harry Potter collab jsks. Around $60

>>10418133

>>10418134

>>10418135

>>10418136

>>10418133
When I see these all that comes to mind is READ A DIFFERENT BOOK

>>10417542

idk. The picture's a little far away to tell.

I was guessing the new fabric I've seen popping up recently, it looks like interlaced ribbons over thin air, which needs to be poly for the transparent parts.

>>10417730

Western gothic went through a phase where dudes regularly spouted "goth chicks are hot", what makes you think they're any safer than any other feminine fashion?

Guys will stick their dicks into any kind of weird shit and then blame girls for it. You know in your hearts as soon as the split happens they'll just make different kinks for gothic and classic and then dump it full of horny ita shit anyhow.

>>10418133
did they have to literally write the house names on them? the distracting emblem dead center on the bodice wasn't enough? there was a way to make this cute and this was not it

>>10418137
>The film tells the story of a magical zoologist newt, Chris kaman
Lmao, what a great "collab". Just say they are stealing the IP

>>10418156
It's an official collab, bad engrish translation not withstanding.

Meanwhile JetJ. That looks pretty intense.

AP Candy has posted a preview of new Otome no tutu in new colors

>>10418160
God, I want to see more photos like this.

>>10417759
Oh that makes sense. That happened to me too a couple weeks ago.

>>10418138
>10418137
I don’t even like Harry Potter but people who obsessively talk shit on it are just as exhausting and pathetic as people who constantly talk about how great it is

>>10418168
That used to be the case for me too until recently.
Turns out the author is a total shit head. So it seems more reasonable to dislike it now.

>>10418169
What has she done besides be an ~evul terf~ for stating biological facts?

>>10418169
I’m all for trans people, but saying that “women” is somehow transphobic is something born out of extreme paranoia. Do the same with “men”, and start using “people who ejaculate” or “people with prostates” while talking about their health problems.

>>10418175
>>10418188
I’ll bet anon didn’t even read her explanation and just believed the trolls on Twitter who are calling her a hateful monster.

>>10418083
wait, how much was it?

>>10418191
no anon it's awful and transphobic for women to have their own spaces, how dare you think otherwise?
this is how sissies work themselves into lolita.

>>10418212
It’s honestly baffling to me how lolitas, who surely are way more aware of sissies and other AGP predators than average women, are so against vetting of any kind. My comm has had many run-ins with creepy dudes using us to satisfy an obvious fetish, exposing themselves, trying to invite themselves over to young girls’ homes for “girly sleepovers” and making violent threats when we tried to assert boundaries yet girls who’ve personally witnessed all this are still insisting that this never happens and vetting is literal murder. I guess banning these people from our comm was literal murder too, then.

>>10418212
>>10418216
I unironically wish we would employ "no boys allowed," why do men have to have fuckign everything?
This is like the one fucking place we should have been able to escape from them, but nope, they fucking want this too, men have to have fucking everything, and if women get shit on because of it, that's just a bonus to them

>>10418216
>>10418223
exactly, when do you see trans men inserting themselves anywhere? you don't. it's a bio men thing and it's so transparently gross.

>>10418192
Like $300 or so, normal brand jsk price. It was posted both here and lolita updates, not sure how you missed it

>>10418163
Some sort of Neo Letter Doll

this may be a dumb question what is the brand name or the item name of the backpack that's a plush? I know theres offbrands but im sure there was a branded one that was a lolita based shop

>>10418234
man the fabric already looks shiny in their own pics

I just have one question... who was the girl Asami was talking about in her newest video??? I want the tea

>>10418191
jkr is a fucking idiot tho. just read up on her. she used public aid to write the books and now acts like a snobby rich bitch shitting on poor people.

>>10418259
lol is this even an argument people make??
>people who live on welfare dont deserve nice things ever!!!

>>10418259
I don’t think receiving some sort of benefits is nearly as shameful in the UK as you think it is

>>10418238
A plush what? There have been plush bear backpacks, usakumya backpacks, plush bunny backpacks etc. If you're talking about a bunny and you've seen a bunch of knockoffs it's probably the Pote Usa Loppy ones, those have knockoffs all over AE.

>>10418259

>J.K. Rowling Loses Billionaire Status Due To Charity Donations

Ah yes the doings of an "evil rich bitch who doesn't care about the poor"

>>10418259
>used welfare to write a book when she was on welfare
I'll buy a destitute person all the pens and paper they want, shut up cunt

>>10418259
I haven’t read HP, so I don’t feel like my childhood has been ruined by changes made by her post publishing, and I don’t feel like they are necessary nor were they a good decision, but I feel like she is the perfect scapegoat for everyone to shit on.
Right says she is too inclusive and all that usually right stuff, left on the other hand says she’s “queer baiting” whatever that is, and now this drama. She is a rich woman so it’s easy to find faults with her from both sides, even if she isn’t nearly as bad as everyone makes her out to be.

>>10418264
it was the pote usa loppy one, tysm anon.

>>10418231
I didn't buy it because I already own it, so didn't check the price. Thank you though

>>10418259
this. Also she's just a dumn bitch in general. I agreed with her defending Maya but that's about it.
>BUT MUH MENSTRUASHUN
Not even all women menstruate due to various reasons and transmen only do because they are biologically female. this is a retarded argument and you know damn well it will stir shit on SNS.
I got nothing against real trans people though,only the autogynephiles and trenders that are far too many

>>10418281
I was so happy at that price, if I had already had it I would've bought the other colorway. It was hard to pick one, they're both beautiful

>>10418133
>MiaoWu
Literally who

>>10418330
Certainly some taobao pop-up-and-die shop

Next thread >>10418379

>>10418133
If only they made the four different tartan colours without adding any HP shit. I mean, I get that they may sell more, but I think they would look way more elegant and wearable (pic related). It looks way too cosplay / try-too-hard. Yes Karen, you are a Hufflepuff, you're 25, get your shit together

>>10418175
>>10418188
>>10418191
Cool assumptions which is why I was vague to begin with but actually I've never liked her cause I always knew she was a fucking hack.

Watch Troll. The main character is named Harry Potter.
Not to mention that whole scholastic thing where she paid some other author off even though she completely ripped them off.

She's always been trash and always will be trash. Her characters are all fake gay cause she realized her fans were gay.

I'm just glad it's finally ok to openly hate her annoying ass because I've always hated the Harry Potter series and now I finally don't have to hear about it at meets cause now it's taboo to talk about that shit.

GOOD.

>>10418260
anons on /ck/ ALWAYS say shit like that.

>>10418265
charities are just money funnels for the rich.

>>10418269
>work your way to the top just so you can shit on people who are in a situation you used to be in
yea wow she's great

>>10418331
>>10418330
theyre actually one of the most popular cosplay shops on taobao

>>10416540
My thing is that they’re so poorly made. AP has made really cute cutsew casual dresses in the past, but these are awful

>>10418512
That is not what I said; being obtuse just makes you look stupid