/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Can we have a different starter topic than something about Julily since the video was only a means for her to get attention and we’re better off not giving it to her?

I nominate puppies or something.

(Saying this again.) This is the millionth time this argument over “who’s an idol and who isn’t” has erupted. And what have any of you learned? What has changed? Damn near nothing.
As someone mentioned earlier, the people who want to seriously pursue this as a hobby and actually do well will prevail, and the shitty ones will remain shitty. There will always be shitty cosplay dance groups. No matter how much anyone tries to whip the “community” into shape, at the end of the day there are people who won’t take her advice because they’re just “doing it for fun”.
Taking this directly from a comment on the video: “there are people who are doing this as a hobby casually and those who are doing this as a very serious hobby”.
I highly doubt most of the shitty cosplay kids really have any plan to branch out and become idols in Japan. Should they be put in “idol” festivals alongside stronger performers? No. But are they allowed to exist? Yeah. Of course, putting yourself on the internet doesn’t make you immune to criticism (which is what she gave in the video; she wasn’t bullying even if she sounded harsh), but I think so many people fail to realize time and time again that there are clearly people who view this hobby with varying levels of seriousness. That’s the way it’s always going to be.
There’s just no point in her beating this same damn dead horse, for that exact reason.
Maybe I have no right saying this since I’m a casually hobbyist in all this (though I do indeed care about quality), but it should never be this deep. None of you should be this hellbent over any of this. You’re wasting your time and other people’s time being so absorbed in “bettering” a “community” that will never have a clear-cut definition.
And I get that that’s part of her purpose for making the video: to provide her clear-cut definition of an “idol”, but let’s face it. As proven by the responses, not everyone will agree.

You know I’ve never been able to take Julily seriously since that time she showed up at Tekko in full idol costume while wearing Tims lol

>>10450403
How about suggesting a topic without bringing her up? You want equal attention if this is how you want to make a suggestion.

>>10450404
And someone asked me out of genuine curiosity why I care if I’m just a hobbyist:
Although I’m not trying to pursue an actual idol career, I still find myself involved in the “community” and follow many people, casuals and more serious idols alike. The only reason i care is because it’s annoying and redundant seeing the same argument made over and over again without it going anywhere, and from the outside looking it, I don’t think it ever will go anywhere.
But that’s just me.

So moving on....

Does anyone have a list of showcases that are coming up?

Anyone posted any new content or covers?


Or how about does anyone want to create something for those that want criticism?


Please anything positive or just constructive in general. Lol

>>10450403
last thing I'll say so we can move on, this video was not for attention. I believe it was just for her to release what's been bottling up inside her all this time while she worked hard for this community. Even if they are topics she's brought up before, they're things she's never gone truly in depth in the way that she wanted. Was the execution the best? No, but the intention was to try to help to the best of her abilities. Maybe those phrases are just....the way she talks? In a way that it is fully blunt with not much of a filter. I can definitely understand how the delivery wasn't the best but, bro, she cared so much about this community. And you can't take that away from her after all she's worked. She sees the community she's tried to lift up get twisted and changed into something that it was not intended to be. I think she has every right to be fully blunt about her thoughts.

Anibraveto is one of the next showcases coming up, I think. They have a serious competition portion that is already ongoing, and you can help decide who passes the preliminaries by liking, commenting, and watching the videos from contestants you like. This was already discussed in a previous thread but I'll post the playlist here anyway. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcW3roxfjwxF90KI-XHttrbTRZownbkCr
Their participant portion is not judged, and both showcases will be happening later this month.

London Idol Festival seems to be planning to be a small, casual online event recurring every month with a different theme. No more association with the con with the sus conchair that caused a lot of participants to drop from the first one. Another festival, the Rainbow Idol Festival, just launched an instagram page and is trying to raise money to go to charities for autism. Shining Idol fest apparently has two separate applications open, one for a male idol fest and one for a regular, but who cares. Finally, OIC is resuming activities again and is planning a big competition. Apps/auditions are open for all of the above except for Anibraveto!

Since they're starting up again, I'd like to see OIC do a Produce 48-style competition, especially online. I think that would be really interesting/fun to watch during quarantine.

>>10450405
THIS

>>10450405
>>10450439
God forbid someone makes a joke and doesn't mind laughing at themselves for it.

>>10450444
this is why western idols are trash.

>>10450455
this is why you chat on an anon thread instead of saying these things to someone's face

>>10450432
>London Idol Festival seems to be planning to be a small, casual online event recurring every month with a different theme
Happy to hear about this. A lot of the best acts dropped out of the initial festival because of that shady con chair, it was kind of sad, but understandable. I'm glad there's 0 association. I might participate in the future.

>Rainbow Idol Festival, just launched an instagram page and is trying to raise money to go to charities for autism.
Besides the Chocolate Idol Festival I haven't seen any other festivals offer charities to donate too. Glad to see this one sits close to koneko's heart, and is a reputable charity.

>Shining Idol fest apparently has two separate applications open,
Is it worth applying to shining idol? Honestly their traction is good but I cant get over their fucking awful hosting capabilities.

>OIC is resuming activities again and is planning a big competition
Is anybody applying to this? I'm actually quite excited, it's been a long time since OIC has done anything at all.

Some additional ones: Idol At Home is a Spanish ran worldwide showcase. They have applications open too. Also is anybody following IdolCon?

>>10450458
Thank you for bringing those up! I completely forgot about them. I even applied for Idolcon's showcase and I forgot to mention them here, ha

>>10450458
IdolCon has picked up a good amount of traction! I'm personally excited for it.

>>10450461
Does their showcase require you to sing? Or can you be an odorite and apply?

>>10450467
It's a little unclear, but I think their Idol Showcase is trying to focus on singing and dancing idol performances. They are also running a masquerade that's more focused on dance covers and cosplay, so that might be good for odorite.

>>10450458
There’s also 39 Idol Festival, it looks like a Vocaloid focused event with a decent lineup! I’m looking forward to it since it’s around Miku’s birthday.

>>10450479
Got a link anon? Would love to watch

>>10450437
What would be the end goal of this tho? I don't expect them to produce an actual group out of it lol

>>10450410
Well I watched KH’s welcome back stream. Very casual and slightly cringe, but she announced she’s doing a livestream concert and teased her song, so that’ll be interesting. It sounds pretty damn good too....

As far as >>10450432, I’m looking forward to anibravo, oic, and rainbow But honestly shining can stop now.

I know you’re mostly in oic discords. Julily I’m sorry but you’re becoming the very thing you sought to destroy. You claim not to care what people think but it’s clear you do. Giving people a taste of their own medicine is going down to their level. If you can’t separate these ideas I don’t think you’re ready to be a legit idol or artist.

People like Julily just think they're "above" other performers in this community because they've been doing this longer. Trust me when I say there are more people like her in this community, they're just not as open about it. There are definitely people in this community shit talking other performers just like she is, they just don't make a YouTube video about it. I'm not trying to excuse Julily's actions by saying this by any means, I just want to say that some of the idols/performers in this community that some of you look up to might be just like her behind closed doors.

>>10450663
This here, and that's Julily's mistake and blessing. Her name being attached to it at least makes it know how she feels.
Her name being attached to it will also give her the self earned titled of bitch.

I think she also did exactly what the video was supposed to which was invoke feelings, good and bad.

Julily just posted this on her insta story, and her video has been set to private.

>>10450703

Thing is she's already gotten her point across. It's been up for about 24 hours and the damage has already been done, the people included probably know by now and most likely feel hurt or embarrassed enough. She knew what she was doing.

I don't know why she feels the need to insert herself into everyone else's business. I get that everyone is part of the community, but in her mind it's like SHE is the community and SHE needs to be appeased.

If people want critique I'm sure they'll ask for it, or at the very least if you're dying to help someone out ask the person in private if they want it and back off if they say no. I don't understand why it always has to be so public. She's going to chase off so much potential talent by being a hardass about everything.

>>10450707
At least she took the critiques and complaints that were given to her and she’s fixing it. That’s at least something.

>>10450707
Plus honestly you can tell when someone is doing something or trying too on a pro level take pro gamers for instance. Casual gamers will always exists and they still do streams and events and no one has a problem with that. Same thing goes for pro cosplayers, casual cosplayers still exists and always will. So if you can tell who’s doing this or anything for fun and not taking themselves too seriously then they should be left alone. It’d be just as weird or off putting to attack new gamers and cosplayers as it is too attack new performers for doing things not up to your standard. When applying this to any community anyone doing so would be viewed as closed off and elitist. So yes big agree this is going to push people away who think they aren’t good enough to preform. When in reality we all start somewhere. The majority of the community does this for fun and doesn’t want to go pro anyways. Since most people have jobs and school on top of idol activities anyways.

>>10450719
this is what really pisses me off. people in this community like her act like they are hot shit, when in reality no one is ever going to get anywhere with it. japan clearly doesn't want foreign idols to join them, they've made that exceedingly obvious. most of the people interested in the community are other people already in the community, or ones trying to be in it. and lets face it, the western community doesn't have the same infrastructure as japan does for indie music in the first place. we don't have doujin studios or scores of doujin composers that will work with us, a few maybe, but it's not on the same scale at all. there's no way to compare groups who have access to producers or composers with people just doing covers. there's no real way to compare dance only groups with actual singers. so when people say this shit or act like this it's disingenuous because they are trying to equate the community to japan's when it's impossible to do so.

>>10450719
I honestly never thought of it like that but I agree 100%.

>>10450730
This. It's obvious elitists are trying to compare our comm and Japan's comm.

>>10450527
Doesn't need to end in a group lol. It would be nice exposure for newer overseas idols or people working towards a debut.

>>10450730
>japan clearly doesn't want foreign idols to join them, they've made that exceedingly obvious
The rest I agree with but where do you get this idea from? The fact that there’s agencies willing to sign foreigners in the first place disproves this.

>>10450789

I mean, Sally Amaki managed it but she does have the advantage of being Asian and having Japanese parents. However she'd never lived there before moving to audition and had to learn the language. She's very popular with the western audience however because she's able to communicate with them and has a sense of humour.

>>10450794
I’m not even talking about Sally as great as she is. I mean the fact that there’s at least 3 non-Asian people of color and various white people in the industry. Are they large time groups? Not all. But are they there? Yes definitely.

>>10450437
Would hate for the rankings to be based on votes though.

>>10450801
that's basically no one, and they constantly get shit from japanese idol fans.

>>10450808
Where do you have proof of this? From experiences I’ve heard and seen it’s the opposite.

>>10450806
If it’s anonymous like (masked singer) and people follow the rules it might end up fine.

>>10450811
That would actually be a pretty good idea. The voting on produce48 is anonymous anyways.

>>10450801
>there’s at least 3 non-Asian people of color and various white people in the industry.
Just curious, but who are these people?

>>10450851
NTAYRT but Ari from Yumepedia is one of them. She's got a lot of talent and their debut single was pretty good. It's on itunes/spotify.

>>10450811
>>10450847
But who would enter? As far as an idol contest goes, singing can't be the only category for users to vote on, dancing has to be included too since that's part of the schtick. I like the idea but honestly it seems like a bit of a popularity contest, since I think the only people that would enter are the people who are already comfortable with putting themselves out there / people who have probably already debuted.

>>10450864
>popularity contest
This is why I don't think it should be based on voting. The scene is small enough that anonymising singers wouldn't really work and also masking them would remove an important part of the performance. >>10450847 not sure what this would achieve let alone mean in the context of online voting. Unless you mean an anonymous panel of judges will rate/vote for contestants. A large and diverse panel of judges would be ideal but wouldn't you want to know their credentials?

I think the setup they have for the current competition is fine.

>>10450730
Japan doesn't want to deal with foreigners who can't culturally assimilate to Japanese society. As other anons have mentioned, Ari is an example. Another is Heidi who is trying to do idol things, and can't forget SYA (even though they are in Canada, Ally & Sally were still able to catch the attention of a Japanese producer somehow so we can't forget that). Japanese society and language is complex, so you have to bend over backwards to be able to fit in it. I can't imagine many, if any, americans/westerners who can do that.

>>10450719
Exactly. You can tell who is doing things that aligns with goals that are similar to yours/goals you want to support. If you see someone doing stuff you're not interested in, just ignore them. Even if they have the biggest ego about themselves, their ego will be their downfall in the end so just let them crumble on their own.

Does anyone else who does this more seriously find that its really hard to balance with their career/full time job?

>>10451643
Most likely, I know Youtubers often struggle to balance their two jobs. The best way around this is to make a realistic schedule and stick to it even if you don't feel like you're up to your best. Spending your time wisely is the foundation for everything else I think.

>>10451643
The only way to combat this is to treat it not as a hobby but an obligation. if you treat it as fun, you will only make time for it if you have time for fun. if you treat it as an obligation, you will make time for it because you know it's something that has to get done.

I feel like juliliys whole thing is that she thinks she's the best fucking thing since sliced bread and the mere thought of having to share a stage with the "peasants" is enough to make her ill.

>>10451783
I would disagree. I don't think it's bad to have a distinction between the two. Her delivery was not the best, but I kind of understand where she's coming from.

>>10451788
between the two what? people doing it as a hobby and people delusional enough to think they are pros?

>>10451793
People who want to do it as pros are not delusional, but yes, I think there should be a distinction. I think anyone can make a living from anything if they work hard enough and make the proper connections. I respect your opinion that it may be "delusional" but I would respectfully disagree with that because I think it's possible.

>>10451795
even if there were "pros" julily isn't even close to that category. and her video doesn't even talk about a distinction she just bawws at people clearly doing it for fun.

>>10451796
She's blunt and she's passionate, so what? It's just an OPINION. It's not that deep.

>>10451798
Autism.

>>10451800
Grow up and get better comebacks lmao

>>10451802
Only if you wk for a better singer.

>>10451806
not wk but okay, whatever you say.

>>10451796
Uhhh there literally are pros. Melancholiaah! and Seishun Youth Academy. If they can make it, I don't see why others can't.

>>10451783
I get what she's trying to say though? Some of her points really do stand, albeit poor in delivery. I'm tired of going to idol festivals to find idols to support/hear and seeing amazing performers get 10 mins worth of time and then the other 50 mins being really poor performers who don't have anything original to show and who haven't even, regardless of original content or not, put in half the effort to look or sound good on stage. I don't mind them being on that stage for some time, but there's a big imbalance that just makes these events no longer fun to be at.

When I go to performances where there's a lot more unique stuff happening and I can follow these people's idol activities and be a fan of them (not someone else's licensed content but their original content or brand), that's just a better experience all around. That's the way it is in when I'm in Japan and I see the potential for it here but it's not going to be an easy road when the people who are really trying to do this thing constantly get undermined by the anime idol cover crowd.

I'm not mad at people doing covers of 2d idol stuff, but you have to recognize that there are clear differences between them and people who are hiring producers, writing their own music, making their own choreo, getting their own outfits made, doing their own vocals on their tracks, etc. There's a lot of artistry here that goes above and beyond and it should be recognized.

>>10451810
yeah they have music they sell, they perform all the time, and it's all their own content. They're carving a path for others to start following. This is literally how every niche in the entertainment industry started out

>>10451812
How about everyone focuses on making their shit good and less on what qualifies someone to be on a stage. If you suck less people will want to see you more.

>>10451813
But they adapted their stuff to fit the audience. Melancholia is an alt artist and their stuff appeals to alt-tube. Seishun performs in ENGLISH because that's what their community speaks.

>>10451815
any other original idols should try to do this as well if this western idol scene is going to work.

>>10451816
but then they won't be "a real aidoru desu"

This is why you all need REAL jobs. None of this has ever been, nor should it ever be this deep. People on both sides of this argument sound childish as fuck. You sound dumb having this same argument every year and getting nowhere. Pack it up.

>>10451814
I mean yeah, that too. The making their shit good thing definitely applies to everyone, and that's the problem here. The good ones are less likely to get accepted to festivals over the ones who are less good but are cosplaying something more recognizable to the audience. Don't get me wrong, there are people who are cosplaying and do well, but just not THAT many compared to the number of not so good ones. They sometimes get into these showcases for what they're portraying and not for their own level of effort and that feels highly unfair to the rest.

>>10451820
Saying that being a performer is not a real job is childish in and of itself.

>>10451820
ok juliane

>>10451823
Julily would have put her name lmao

>>10451820
I agree that we should not be arguing so much but let's not also come onto an idols board and try to discourage them from trying to see if it's possible to make it work. There's nothing wrong with pursuing a hobby seriously on the side and hoping that it becomes lucrative when there are examples of it happening for others.

>>10451823
yeah that's definitely not her

>>10451823
>>10451824
Not Julily. Also, yes. Implying performing isn’t a real job was perhaps not the right thing to say. But in reality the type of performing that many are aiming to do, which is Japanese idol-inspired performance in countries outside of Japan where there isn’t a market for it, is not sustainable.

>>10451828
I think it may not be sustainable NOW. But with work it may be in the future.

>>10451828
I get that. Let's all not pretend it's super easy or realistic to do, but let's also not pretend that it's impossible and leave it at that.
Anyone having super passionate arguments on either side should spend that time and effort on putting in some practice instead. It'd be a million times more constructive.

>>10451829
>>10451830
You guys may be right. I’d like to see it happen.
The key to all of this is simply being mature. I’ll leave it at that.

>>10451821
It’s an anime convention though so it kind of makes sense anime character cosplayers get accepted more often. Not saying it’s fair cons are just doing what will draw the biggest crowds. Since that makes them the most money.

Kaz go back to porn. No one asked for you to come back.

>>10451808
she means you are white knighting, newfag.

>>10451844
I know what they mean oldfag

>>10451821
see, original acts can't get gigs at cons because cons are a place FOR cosplaying. so as much as I hate it too, I've realized there's no point in getting mad. the better route is to focus on gigs that want actual artists like small venues, music festivals, etc or just doing my own thing

>>10451844
I know what it means and once again, I am not

>>10451835
Genuine question: does anybody actually like her besides her small circle? She starts arguments all the time for the sake of arguing and she overall seems unpleasant.

>>10451867
nope.

>>10451864
Yeah, I get that. I have seen some cons that are more "japanese culture" inspired in their leaning have performances and festivals with way more original acts in their lineups. It makes me really compare those to the others, and hope that things shift. We'll just have to see how it all plays out

>>10451869
Oh I had forgotten about those. I'll take that any day over a plain cosplay focused thing, even from just an audience member standpoint.

>>10451867
When she starts arguments on discord it always devolves into everyone trying to de-escalate her, whether they agree with her or not. She gets overly combative and can't move on when people don't give in to what she wants.

>>10451871
It's definitely a good time. A good example was Tekko's idol fest, which had some fully original acts and a lot of people doing jpop covers but virtually no cosplay. That and sakura matsuris, they've been pretty legit with getting good acts to come in.

>>10451872
Why hasn't she been banned?

>>10451872
DESU she's why I stopped checking in on there

>>10451835
As if this year couldn't get any worse we have to deal with tambourines shitty comeback now too

>>10451879
Karen and company more like it

>>10451874
I wouldn't know that for sure but one of the admins made a clear statement that fighting in their chats isn't allowed, and she pointed out that it's making others feel uncomfortable chatting at all when kaz is being like this. I hope actually read that message and is going to dial it back. She didn't reply so idk if she's ignoring it because she knows she lost this one or what, but I assume if she doesn't change she's gonna get the boot

>>10451867
no one in florida idol comm wishes to associate with her

>>10451892
honestly every time kaz has spoken in the chat it's made me wildly uncomfortable because all she does is argue. and she thinks it's like some cool personality trait that she's "a bitch"? like people are literally starting to despise you, it's time to fucking cool it.

>>10451874
she only just recently joined the oic discord again THREE DAYS AGO, honestly if it was gonna make her lose her shit this much again then she should have just stayed away. she has contributed absolutely nothing but a bad fucking attitude.

>>10451895
>no one in florida idol comm wishes to associate with her
i can see why

>>10451916
The timing of this... did she just join to argue with julily? LMAO.

>>10451916
Honestly Kaz needs to just leave again. How she behaved was uncalled for, idc how wrong Julily may have been. I think everyone’s just mad because they felt attacked in some way. But she’s ultimately right, there should be a clear line. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to have a clear distinction between those who do this for hobby and those who are trying to be serious.

>>10451961
yeah i mean dont get me wrong i thought julily's video was uncalled for, and while i agreed with some/most of her points her execution and delivery was very off the mark, and it's understandable people would be upset with it.
but i am also an adult capable of having an adult conversation with somebody who i feel has hurt me, especially when everybody else was communicating with julily peacefully. she was being so argumentative for absolutely no reason, other than the fact she's a cOsPlAy iDoL and got offended and can't seem to express her thoughts in any other way than coming off as an immature asshole.

>>10451961
I’m a noob lol, who is Kaz and what did she do?

julily isn’t good though

She acts like she’s hot shit but she has no chance of making a career out of it. For her own sake I hope she gets that through her head, it’ll save her a lot of stress.

>>10451922
seems like it desu

>>10452031
I know she comes off that way but I don't think it's on purpose. I think she genuinely just wanted a space for 'original brand/content' idols to have. But then the rest of the 'idol community' didn't want to feel left out and slowly expanded the original meaning of the term OIC. And then her terrible arguments made it seem like she didn't accept anyone as being (the now expanded term) idol, thus making her come off elitist AF and 'gatekeeping'.

She definitely has a lot of flawed thinking though and if she is this paranoid about what people think now, there's no way she would survive being ACTUALLY famous for what she does.

>>10451961
Super uncalled for yeah, and honestly everyone was trying to have a conversation to figure out how to make things better in the future and her behavior just shut it down so hard. I could see people typing before she started acting up that never ended up posting their thoughts.

>>10452031

I'm glad someone has said it, I don't think she's god awful but I feel that her performances are very average. I think that she should work on herself instead of worrying about everybody else.

I feel bad for the people who started OIC or were early members. They were making a community for the 'original brand/content' people to be able to collaborate and work on themselves, but those that weren't part of it forced their way in. It pains me to see the admins having to create an entire separate public server for those people to join even though the original goal of OIC was to serve a niche within this niche community. I think they've been too soft in letting the entire 'Idol' community at large push them around.

>>10452057
I wholeheartedly agree. At least now the other idols can have their space and the OG idols can feel less attacked for having their own. I just don't understand why it had to be OIC to open up and those other idols couldnt make their own niche communities in the first place.

>>10452052
Did I miss something? I don't see anything in the OIC server

>>10452064
It's in OIC Lite. You just have to scroll up through the #lounge.

I don’t think there was anything wrong with Julily’s stance, aside from the delivery of it. Every time she tries to justify her thoughts, her stance makes more and more sense to me. I also agree that OIC shouldn’t have started straying away from its original intent. It’s only bringing out the ugly in people, making things worse, and making it more confusing. It was meant for original content idols, not every other little offshoot of the community.

>>10452053
But here's the thing: julily never said she was the number 1 bestest idol ever. You can have criticisms without being the best. She knows shes made mistakes in performance. Shes still better than others though.

People reacting poorly are too insecure. Confident people would just hear what she says, and if they dont like it, ignore.

>>10452057
Yep that's what happened. They were stupid for trying to be too nice.

>>10452106
her actions imply she thinks she's better. no one who is good even makes these kinds of criticisms because they are putting effort into bettering themselves instead of coping by putting down others.

>>10452110
she is compared to the people she's talking about though? she was talking about super low effort performers from what I gathered

>>10452110
You are taking this way to personal friend. Take a break, pet a dog, and come back when you feel less attacked for a opinion that has no true effect on you in reality.

>>10452120
based

>>10452110
Fair enough, but also anyone feeling personally attacked is definitely projecting their insecurities. Wanna know why? They feel threatened they cant "really" idol because they know they cant.

>>10452013
Kaz is a Florida cosplay cover dancer who is mad that Julily and some others want a distinct line between who’s in this for play and who’s in this as a legit possible goal.
She’s also burned every bridge in Florida because of her nasty ass attitude.
>>10452031
Julily knows that, but she’s tired of seeing mediocrity be praised and rewarded, and she’s not the only one.
>>10452052
Kaz does this constantly and its irritating. I really hope they boot her. The whole of oic can do without that bit of toxic mess.
>>10452057
>>10452060
I was an og member before they let cosidols in, and in really disappointed and mad at how railroaded we get for wanting to have a distinct line. It’s not fair imo to be told to be quiet.
I just wanted to have a place to connect with original idols and not be forced to stay silent because cosplayers bring their drama and attitude into shit.
There’s a problem when a love live cosplayer can have little trouble booking spots in festivals and panels, and original idols have hell. Cosplayers have everything, let us have this one thing, damn.
>>10452106
Imo, the fact that Julily knows and can admit she’s not perfect, and still critique the community based on her own experiences makes her that much more credible. It’s not her fault they want to take this personally. Like >>10452135
and >>10452120 said, it sounds like a sensitive nerve was struck and they don’t like what’s looking at them....

>>10452144
THANK YOU, someone with reason finally

>>10451879
I was interested in this initially but it looks like their Twitter has devolved into unrelated meme posts

>>10452144
>There’s a problem when a love live cosplayer can have little trouble booking spots in festivals and panels, and original idols have hell.

Too fucking true. AFAIK I’m the only original idol in my country and I’m constantly passed up by conventions in favour of Love Live cosplay groups. The only conventions I’ve performed at have been in neighbouring countries, which I loved, but I really want to perform at conventions in my home country.

>>10452152
>I was interested in this initially but it looks like their Twitter has devolved into unrelated meme posts

What the fuck even is this shit

>>10452158
Their thing was kind of always like "watch us make complete idiots of ourselves!"

>>10452158
White people humor

>>10452164
Kaz took that concept to heart

>>10452144
BIG agree on all of this.

>>10452158
...why would they think this would want to make anyone follow their idol journey

>>10452144
she is mediocrity being praised

would she genuinely take criticism about her performance? or would she cry bullying? her dancing makes it obvious that she has no control and her singing is forced and grating. maybe she’s passable but western idol standards, but that’s such a low bar. for anyone who’s not in the community, she’s incredibly cringe, and she keeps hosting events with audiences beyond just the community (katsucon random play, etc)

>>10452232
exactly. she sucks and she's just bawwing at people that just suck more than her. people who are self aware don't care that much about making themselves look better.

>>10452237
unfortunately it's not "people that suck more than her", it's anyone who doesn't cater to her and anyone who disagrees with her.

>>10452246
And look at the people disagreeing with her and throwing a fit. Kek.

My whole impression of this is that Julily is seriously frustrated at anyone who isn't taking the idol thing equally as serious as she is. She's going to be disappointed as long as she's in this, or really any hobby, because none of us are going to turn this into a performing career. She needs to relax and stop worrying about what anyone else is doing, which people have told her over and over, and she always deflects and starts talking about her trauma and mental illness as a response.

>>10452270
Hey speak for yourself some of us might make it a career.

>>10452293
lmao sure

>>10452312
Just cause you can't do it doesn't mean others can't.

>>10452330
lmao anyone with the talent to get anywhere isn’t looking at the “overseas idol” community

there’s no paying audience for j-idol type shit in america

>>10452330
You're just as delusional as most "instagram models." It might be possible to make it, but you're probably not talented or attractive enough.

>>10452333
I understand anon saying there's people that want to make it a career. With making something a career, I think mainly people just to at least produce original music and be invited to events to perform at, and make money from merch to cover costs at the very least. it's not world fame, but it's something, and I don't think it's unattainable if someone works hard and puts out things people are interested in.

That being said, "overseas idol" community isn't really the type of environment that can foster that growth. What you would have to do is build up your portfolio and contact local venues for gigs and pitch yourself to them. They might have an event that you could fit on their lineup, or, you could host your own event there and ask other people to join. If you can't succeed in doing that, then I can't imagine you getting much further.

>>10452362
But, maybe your local scene just doesn't have the audience or the population. If that is the case, you have to consider moving to a city where there are more opportunities for that. That city could be an hour way or in an entire new state.

Now, there are music producers and such that find most of their following online. So if you operate primarily online, you also have to consider getting followers and playing the numbers and social media analytics game. Which means, again, branching out of the overseas idol community.

>>10452336
Bet

>>10452336
you kidding? i'm a goddess. literal 10/10 walking this earth

>>10452371
Sure, Jan.

>>10452371
Yas queen

>>10452362
Honestly that’s what most overseas idols are aiming for. People here like to bring up how delusional people are for wanting a “career” doing this, when many of us just love performing and would feel blessed with the opportunities that comes from working hard, being professional, taking things seriously, etc in this hobby. Especially the part about being able to sell merch to fund bigger projects, that’s a really important thing. Some of us have a rational way of thinking about it and don’t have a desire to break into the mainstream (or get signed to a japanese company) and become “famous”. Being an overseas idol is enough for some of us.

I'm >>10452270. To respond to the discussion about "don't say it can't be done, you don't know we can't make it a career" this spawned...sorry. You are not going to make idol activities your career. You might make some money from it, get invited to cons, free badges, cool. That's good! You're not going to be able to quit your day job to be an idol, though. The only people in the OIC who have been able to even come close to that have all had to basically shed the moniker of "idol" and appeal to more mainstream Western audiences. We do not have an audience conducive to making real career money singing and dancing to cutesy aidoru covers. Sorry. My point is that that seems to be what Julily wants, and the source of her frustration is that people in the OIC aren't taking it just as seriously as her when the point is NONE of us are gonna make it the way she wants us to, including her. So she needs to chill and accept that people in a hobby are going to be less than perfect, and make it a welcoming place where people want to improve for the joy of doing better, not because of harsh criticism or the pressure to go professional.

>>10452417
No need to project your insecurities. This isn't your diary. in the same sense, why does it bother you if people want to attempt a career out of this? will this ruin how you live your life every day? you are just as pressed as julily tbqh

>>10452417
No one said making a living doing covers. Those of us who would like to and work hard for it intend on writing original music for all that.

>>10452423
I feel like most of the people actually producing original music are the most realistic about what success actually means in this community. Foreigners are never going to make an actual living as idols unless they manage to successfully audition for a Japanese group, which is SUPER unlikely given the general age, Japanese proficiency, and ability to move to/work in japan in this community. The overseas idols I've seen with original music are usually the first to admit that all they want to do is cover the costs of performing, which is a valid and much more realistic goal than actually trying to make it a career. "Success" in this community doesn't really translate to much in the long run.

>>10452417
From what I've seen, a lot of people don't think that "Idol" means following a super standard cutesy aidoru concept but they just start like that because they're focusing on doing covers of what's most well known outside of Japan. There are a billion idols in Japan doing a ton of different concepts musically and in design, many that may actually work in the West. I feel like a lot of people don't understand the diversity within the Jpop Idol genre and use a very narrow list of Jpop to define what people on the other side of the world are trying to do.

>>10452518
This desu. Maybe my goals as an idol are more than just wanting to be a "legitimate" idol in Japan. Maybe it's just being a popular indie artist that is heavily inspired by those kinds of idols. Either way, I think it's pretty limiting and close minded to think we can't create our own version of idol outside of Japan and make a sustainable profit. Just because it's highly u likely and difficult does not mean impossible. Nothing is impossible. In fact, one of us just might pave the way. You can think that's delusional all you want but if that's what I am then I am happily delusional enough to follow my dreams in life.

>>10452417
Dude I dont even think that's what julily wants. I mean, sure she wants to aim for it, but I dont think it's as SERIOUS as everyone is making it out to be. I think she's realistic.

People are shocked that someone out there is saying you can level up, and achieve something if you work hard. Ultimately, that's her message. I think a lot of people have never been encouraged like that before so they are defensive. But also most people here are white and never grew up with an asian mom lol.

>>10452518
>There are a billion idols in Japan doing a ton of different concepts musically and in design
not really. the term idol refers to something really specific and anything that diverges from that is being gimmicky.

>>10452417
Look, just because someone crushed your spirit ages ago, doesn’t mean you should do it now.
Let people live. Let them find out what it takes.
Even if they don’t make it into a full blown career, being able to do this as a very weak and unpredictable “second” job is enough for some.

I have to agree with >>10452537.... Julily may need to chill, but her passion is what this community needs, especially those looking to make this into something more than a bedroom hobby.
>>10452501
This desu. For me, it’s not that I wanna go pro really, I just want to break even, maybe be in the black for some stuff. It’s an obtainable goal to want.
>>10452523
I agree. It’s kind of like how Amina was the unintentional face for black idols in Japan and paved the way for Paida.... I and several others are too old by Japan idol standards too, but you know what? I’m at least happy in my little “delusion”. I’m living a dream my childhood self thought she’d never do. Can you say the same?

>>10452419
I think you misunderstood me. I'm not insecure about this, and I have no intentions of going pro. Like many others here, I'd just be happy to make enough from this to cover some of the costs of production. All I've been saying is that there isn't an audience here to make idol activities a "quit your day job" sort of career. If anyone proved me wrong, I'd be happy, cause it'd be cool to see this become a real thing in the US and Europe the way it is in Japan. But even the most professional idols over here barely cover costs. It's not lucrative. And there's nothing wrong with trying, and there's nothing wrong with making it a side job and getting some cool free stuff out of it, like I already said. But if your motivation isn't first and foremost to enjoy yourself and improve for your own sake, then you'll just end up as bitter and resentful as Julily is towards most of the community and like her, will have yearly breakdowns about how newbies aren't trying hard enough. Everyone fussing about "hobby vs career" needs to chill, that's all.

>>10452575
You didn't answer my question. Will people attempting make it harder for you to live an every day life? Why are you equally as concerned and upset as julily about how others want to take it serious? How do you know people will end up like Julily? You are a hypocrite. Your points are no different than Julily.

>>10452580
NAYRT but lmao did you even read what they said? i agree with them - we're not upset about other people wanting to take it seriously, we just want them to be realistic so they dont get their dreams crushed when they realize they'd literally have a better chance of winning the lottery than making a full-time career out of being an idol. Sorry some of us care about other people's feelings!

>>10452580
To answer your question, it doesn't affect my daily life at all. I literally just want people to calm down and stop having constant breakdowns about what other people in the community are or aren't doing. Again, if you want to take it serious fine. If you can get something financial out of it, good for you. If you can make it a real career, that'd be great. I don't know where you keep getting that I must be concerned and upset, I've been saying in all my posts that Julily and others need to STOP being concerned and upset about what others are doing lol. You're trying to make an argument or of a very non-argumentative stance, so I won't be continuing this conversation past this post. It really seems like you got really defensive about my first post, and now just have to keep dragging this out cause it set you off, but you getting upset about it is the exact sort of thing I'm trying to say people need to calm down over. So please, chill.

>>10452546
What the fuck are you on?

How Poppy and her other group mates put up with Kaz is confusing as hell. She already has more enemies than friends. She has a lot of growing to do but refuses to see it until something drastic happens and the entire community turns their back on her. Don't give toxic a platform. If you engage with her its just going to add more fuel to the fire. I recommend just blocking her.

Lol remember when people said you coulding make a living off of playing video games?

With a loyal community willing to donate to pay your bills, and then some, anything is literally possible. You just need the appeal and willingness to churn out content.

>>10452758
*couldn't
My b

>>10452706
Either her friends are just as bad as her (which I'm sure we all noticed Washu's attitude...) or, they're too easy to be manipulated/people pleaser type that are too afraid to stand up for themselves

>>10452706
Poppy seems to always excuse it. No matter what kazu does. Though at some point your group members behavior does also affect how you and your group are viewed as a whole. Wheather that’s good or bad. Though poppy and washu both seem to behave in similar ways as well just less bluntly then kazu. So maybe that’s how the Group has functioned for so long. They are probably all like minded enough to get along. Not trying to bash them I hope all of them are able to learn and grow from all this. However this won’t change the hurt kazu caused to so many until she apologizes and owns up to it, once that happens growing and healing can take place.

>>10452785
Kazu kept saying that Julily's video reflected on OIC as a whole, but then failed to realize how her own shitty attitude reflected on HER groups. Poppy and Washu didn't even try to deescalate her as she continued to berate people until people like KuroHime told her she was being unnecessarily aggressive. I work events for conventions and if I ever get an application with Tambourine or Idols A La Carte I will absolutely refuse them. That's not the energy I want in my shows.

>>10452788
Definitely agree how you act when your part of a group whether oic or anyone’s individual groups will reflect on what your part of as a whole. Kazu definitely could have handled that better. Though so could of juiliy and maybe next time juiliy can do surveys or polls to see what direction the community is leaning towards as a whole. Some background research could really help see what the majority of people want. Though if her personal opinions disagree with the majority it’d probably help to state that as well so she’d be speaking less as the founder of oic and more as an individual. Research and clarification could really help I think in Julilys case. Since that’s distinction of I want this for the community vs I am the founder and admin and this is where the community has to go can come off completely differently. Especially online where presentation doesn’t always come off across right. Plus It would be really neat to see even in an anonymous survey open to the public what people truly want for events or direction ect.

>>10452785
As someone who has met many of the members in person, I agree that they are people pleasers and afraid of confrontation. Both Washu and Kaz have very strong personalities and likely control everything. Everyone else I have met so far seem very kind hearted. Without them I think Idols a La Carte could be more successful in the community. They bring variety to idol shows which is nice to see.

>>10452831
Actually I doubt it, the other members can not dance for the life of them. They performed really bad at the holiday matsuri idol fest. You can see it on the holiday matsuri >>10452831
youtube channel. The only good ones were Poppy Kazu and Washu (sort of)

It is HILARIOUS to me that they claim they work SO HARD on something but can't even keep their team's shit together. It doesn't matter if YOU only look good dancing. If one member looks bad, the whole group looks bad.

But then again, self-centered people don't think outside of themselves.

>>10452835
To be fair Tambourine performed really well when they were active

>>10452840
Tambourine really weren't that bad. They were in sync and not cringe. When they did sing, it wasn't that bad either. For Idols A la Carte, them yelling about cosplay idols working as hard, like please, get it together girlies. Like literally get it together, get in sync chop chop

>>10452840
>>10452842
Tbh I don't care how well they might perform past or future, their ugly personalities off-stage are a massive deal-breaker for my support.

>>10452846
This.

>>10452846
This. I wouldn't even want to be in a festival alongside them with how shitty they've been acting everytime this topic has been brought up.

>>10452788
It’s actually quite sad that it took people like KuroHime to tell Kazu to back off and back down rather than her own group mates. It kind of tells you the kind of people they are.

Kazu was valid in her feelings (seemed like a child having a bitch fit but I digress) but honestly, she really should have handled her feelings a lot better. At least Julily was being calm and receptive to criticism. It honestly was going great until Kazu completely swiped left and made it all about her.
I’m glad people were willing to tell her to fuck off tho, it seems like the community really can’t stand her.

>>10452912
Oh, anyone remember exactly what happened the last time?

Has anyone seen Sugar Sweet Idol Festival yet?

They are a shitshow. They have no set dates for anything, they can’t even spell the names of their performers right, and they actually lost the setlists for their performers because they’re so disorganised. They’ve been deleting comments they disagree with, and refusing any offers of help even though it’s obvious they have no clue what they’re doing.

>>10452988
I’m actually looking forward to this if for no other reason than for entertainment on their part. How the fuck do you lose an entire setlist?!
And weren’t they asking for help at one point? They asked me some questions, but it was clear very fast that they had absolutely no intention on taking any advice.

>>10452758
This is a really good point. We're just in a really early phase of everything right now, and it can play out any way! Let's try to not have boomer mindsets about idol stuff

>>10452846
The whole concept of Idols in japan is that you need to keep up a certain type of image. They're doing the exact opposite of that and don't realize that this harms them trying to brand themselves as Idols in the first place

Why did you cheat

>>10452988
This always happens when something becomes popular. Different people are all running idol festivals so they think "this must be easy, we can do it too!" and end up getting into something they're totally unequipped to handle. I'll be on the sidelines with popcorn in hand

>>10452988
It seems pretty clear that the group running it is underage excited little weeblets. Yeah, it's gonna be a shitshow, and it's clear they're in over their heads, but oh well. Embarrassing cringe moments from your past is how you learn. I hope it's a good learning experience for them.

>>10453010
>How the fuck do you lose an entire setlist?!
I know someone who’s in SSIF, apparently they forgot the password to access the application form that contained the setlist...

I’m sorry but... paper? Sakura Hana is going to sell photo prints on flimsy pieces of paper.

Gotta love 2020.

>>10453231
I thought we agreed not to bring her up.

>>10453237
Did we? My bad, I must've missed that.

>>10453244
Yeah, it was a couple threads ago, but whenever someone mentioned her, a couple of her friends would come to the thread and shit it up so hard that the entire thread got deleted. It happened a few times in a row, so we really just try not to bring her up here anymore lol.

>>10453248
Yeah she basically has an army behind her.

>>10453253
an army of like 3 people making 10 posts each

>>10453237
Ok Sakura

>>10453285
nayrt but I also think talking about her is pointless and uninteresting at this point

>>10453285
Not her but ok. If you wanna shit talk take it to the farms. I don’t want the thread being taken down.

>>10453313
That’s fair.

So to update on the Sugar Sweet Idol Festival situation: not only have they lost everyone’s setlist, they’re now asking all the performers to move from Instagram to Snapchat because they’re having issues with Instagram.

Source: my friend who is now regretting signing up lol. The disorganisation is unreal.

>>10453593
...snap...chat...? Why? Can’t they conduct any information in a place where messages aren’t deleted after 24 hrs? Like a fucking email?

>>10453607
They lost the password to their email lmao, that’s why they can’t access the form with the setlist information. I guess nobody told them password recovery/reset is a thing that exists.

They’ve set a date though, August 31st, so I might stick around to watch the shitshow unfold.

>>10453607
Who has snapchat anyways? I hope those participating consider dropping.

>>10453593
I personally know people who have dropped this, and they should. These kids are gonna need a hard dose of reality, and while it makes me sad that this is how it has to happen, this should also be a lesson for everyone on what not to do for showcases.

It also makes me very very happy that I’m this selective on what I apply for. Imagine being a performer and having to deal with such disorganization.
>>10453607
That killed me lmao, password recovery apparently isn’t a thing and their phone apparently can’t make Instagram group chats I guess.

Personally? I hope everyone but the truly desperate drop this festival and I hope it’s the example of how to not host shit.

How are they going to manage streaming to Youtube or Twitch if they can't even do simple stuff like handle group chats and emails?

>>10453607
>>10453628
>>10453767
they are better off making a new email address and starting over.

>>10453773
That brings up another point... they haven’t even stated where the festival is going to be streamed.

Well they’re unsurprisingly getting cancelled. Guess that’s the end of the SSIF saga.

Check their story it's a fun ride!

>>10454286
I kinda wanted to see it happen lol

>>10454358
The story reeks of “I’m lying it’s me” and failure to take responsibility. If you’re a fucking child you don’t get to skip school. It’s hilarious but I can’t imagine how they’d act when people ACTUALLY criticize the event.

>>10454379
They keep changing names but this person called "Mitch" called all the participants stupid and ignorant for having concerns because of their lack of organisation. I was maybe expecting this from one idol in the group but to be fair they have been decent compared to this shitshow

>>10454358
for those who don't wanna look at the story
>"Hello! I am a friend of Kyandi's who had an account connected to this one for quite a while. It has come to my attention that she has lost her accounts and can no longer access any of them! That being said, I'd like to clear a few things up for you..."
>"-Kyandi has had several issues setting this up that she had no control over like: 1. being unknowingly enrolled in an online school. 2. her computer being traded out for one she can not hook up or even move without her consent. And last but not least the incompetency and ignorance of the people in her life to how important this was."
>"First off let's set one thing straight. She wasn't going to be streaming from her computer when she found out it was traded. She was going to be using mine, the reason she had no access to her files is because everything of hers was kept in a hard drive, passwords, google files, and all."
>"Next, the people around her the "adults" failed to realize she was doing real business and not a pretend game of make-believe. So she was kept up by things minuscule compared to SSIF!"
>"One last thing... I am absolutely disgusted by some peoples behavior! It's come to my attention it was bad mouthed because 1. it's ran by someone who is legally a child 2.it had to shut down 3. Kyandi was not able to communicate with her peers before her phone blacked out."
>"In a community filled with adults dressing like anime characters and children who want to have fun being like their idols you would think that people would have the common decency to let it go. But this just proves one thing to be honest and its that no matter how hard someone tries to do good they always end up being painted a criminal."

First of all, I'm cackling.

>>10454406
My friend showed me what they said because she was really hurt. I hope someone tells mitch that them calling everyone stupid is just as rude as anything that’s been said about kyandi!

>>10454286
Good. Apparently they’ve been pretty rude to the participants, going as far to call them stupid? Idk if anyone has shots, but I bet I could get them.

>>10454410
The lack of accountability on their part is absolutely astounding, fucking hell....
If your parents are that controlling And unsupportive, why would you even attempt to do this shit in the first place?

>>10454410
let's be honest she was probs just a little girl thinking she'd make it big in the idol world by doing a festival and then chickened out

I don’t even know why I follow Kaz but I hate her twitter. Poppy has an onlyfans but you don’t see her fucking a dildo on her timeline.

>>10454563
Was the lightning supposed to censor something...because I can easily see everything in that video

>>10454563
Holy shit I thought you were exaggerating... nothing against sex workers but maybe keep it separate from your regular idol stuff, otherwise people who followed for kawaii aidoru desu are suddenly gonna get a Twitter feed full of boobs and dildos, and not everyone is comfortable seeing that.

>>10454597
Sex workers at least know how to cover their selling points, she flashed it for free. It’s honestly quite depressing

She really wants to retweet this with her track record?

>>10454618
I was about to post this but she doesn’t realize she’s the person the tweet is talking about.

>>10454563
I can’t believe I was witness to that shit.... seriously not the shit that should be on an idol’s Twitter, especially so badly censored.....

>>10454410
Only reason why they found out is because SH’s stupid ass showed them screenshots.

>>10454650
Why does it always roll back around to her?

>>10454650
At this point I don't even think she's really an idol anymore. "sometimes i dance" lol.

ok seriously what the fuck is tambourine doing on their Twitter

>>10454677
Trying to do some weird half baked ARG shit probably, that's a trend I see alot nowadays

>>10454677
I think they are having some spooky buildup to a new member

>>10454677
idk but kazu put a porn video teaser on her twitter except she failed to cover her vag so I've now seen the whole thing and I want to unsee it so badly

>>10454712
Inb4 washu

>>10454714
What the fuck.

>>10454714
no no please no

>>10454714
nice

Both Meotashi and Auracle’s Evie posted solo songs recently, thoughts? I liked them both.

>>10454712
Probably this, yeah. It was pretty obvious from their new logo that they're adding someone new - idk if i hope they're as toxic as kazu and (to a lesser extent) poppy so nobody actually nice has to deal with them, or if i should be praying for someone who can temper the general awfulness of that group

>>10455751
At this point, they've just become uninteresting to me.

My problem with the oic is just that they define "overseas idol" so strictly. If a group has both a cosplay concept and an original concept.... Or if they cant make original music, or even if they make original music, they may or may not get the chance to work with the same resources as those accepted.

B u t, that exclusion could be said for any type of orginization that works with a specific group of people, and I agree, cosplayers who are strictly cosplayers dont really n e e d the same sort of access to things

Any new videos from idols? Haven't seen anyone post a list on here in a while.

>>10455779
Untrue. They take members into the main discord that don't have original music, or are aspiring idols. They took down their database application to work on it and open it up further. They even created the Lite discord specifically for people who just want to be wota or are completely on the cosplay side and don't want to become full-on idols, even though they didn't have to cater toward them.

They've also stated before that they don't make the terms, they just use the terms as they're used in Japan. Overseas Idol is a translation of Kaigai Idol, a term taken from japanese idol culture. I'm tired of people thinking that OIC thinks they're able to define these things, when they've said multiple times that these terms do not belong to them or anyone outside of Japan, for that matter.

>>10455845
“Kaigai idol” isn’t a term used in Japan. Non-Japanese and non-Asian foreigners trying to become idols is so niche, it’s not even actively recognized in Japan.

>>10455851
a simple google search of 海外アイドル will lead you to results of the term actually used. One of the first things I find is an article talking about bnk48 at tokyo idol fest. google image results pull pictures of k-pop idols promoting in japan.

>>10455851
I've used the term in Japan and people knew what I was talking about. I recognize the idols themselves aren't well known, but there are people aware of the growing presence of Kaigai/Overseas Idols.

Regardless, the term "Idol" is being used incorrectly no matter what word is in front of it. Idols are a certain existence in Japan, and saying you're one of those but are based overseas (or any term you put in front of it) holds connotations. There are plenty of other terms to use like Odorite or Utaite so there's really no issue with people switching to more appropriate terms.

>>10455854
this. it literally means "Idols" not in japan

>>10455857
exactly. and, odorite and utaite have their own communities. if you use the correct label, you can find the right people to connect with and a better audience that's looking for just singers or just dancers

>>10455862
right. it only benefits you to use the best-fit term, and you can use multiple if you truly fit them all.

Something that's been irritating me for a while - I see lots of groups holding "auditions" or opening applications for things like composers, artists, mixers, etc - things that should be paid work, and there's almost never any mention of compensation. It's almost like they expect people to be honored they even get a spot on "the team". It's always compete nobodies too, so it's not even like you have a promise of exposure if you work for free for them. With as much overlap as the net idol stuff has with art communities, you'd think people would be a little more respectful of artists and related positions and not expect them to provide free work in exchange for "exposure".

>>10456298
Eh, I’m in the middle with it. Some people want to take free work to build a portfolio, so I think it’s fine for people with no budget to look for those people

>>10456298
I've noticed this too. The supply vs demand is higher supply of idols/performers and higher demand of people able to produce for them. This means it's going to cost money, and there's just no way you'll get randos wanting to make you music for free.

>>10455857
It's like these cosplayers just want the Idol title without putting in any of the work. They don't get that being an idol means something. It's more than just putting on a costume and dancing to your favorite idol anime songs. That just makes them cosplayers or odorite. Just accept you're not an idol and call it a day. Putting on a cosplay and dancing badly makes the good cosplayers look bad and hurts the prospects of people trying to do real idol work overseas.

>>10456521
This this this

>>10456393
This whole issue brings me back to a discussion a few threads back - the one about how idols should be willing to put up the money for at least their first few projects. From there, they can usually rely at least partially on fan support, but how can you expect to get there if you aren't willing to prove that youre invested and willing to put in just as much as your asking them to? Getting people to work for free is at LEAST as bad as expecting fans to financially support you when you haven't given them a reason to.

>>10456298
you know that doujin idols, utau and doijin groups/composers in japan don't make money right? not unless they sell cds.

>>10456521
I agree. But we're always having the same conversation over and over again. I find solace in realizing that the idols that want to create their original content will keep paving the way and setting an example. I know of some idols more on the popular end of the community that are planning their first original releases for next year, so I think 2021 will be a little turning point for the community.

>>10456703

I literally wasn't talking about Japan but go off

>>10456703
This sounds like an lame excuse to not pay someone. If you did the slightest research, the number of doujin creators who make money significantly outweigh the ones who don't. Events like Comiket or artist alleys wouldn't exist without artists monetizing their work. Find a better excuse to not pay someone for their work.

>>10456771
Why don't you actually look this shit up? People who actually care about music do most of this for free, even in the US all those soundclout artists or garage bands are collabing for free and only making money off piddly sales. The western idol community is such horseshit and has no idea how either the pro or indie music industry works. Everyone just thinks their hot shit for getting weebshit music produced on fiver and learning idolm@s dances. But fuck you guys are such a fucking joke.

>>10456796
You sound like you're making excuses to not pay someone.....

>>10456799
I'm not even an idol I am just tired of you cunts acting like you are in the music industry in any meaningful way when all you do is larp as japanese entertainers designed for degen men.

>>10456796
Bro all I'm saying is that if you want someone to draw your group's idolsonas and give you original music, you better be willing to pay, learn to do it yourself, or be content with the quality that comes with "free". I'm sick of groups acting like people should be jumping at the chance to work for free for them. It's not the same thing as bands or artists collaborating together to create something for the love of music, this is groups of people who have not demonstrated any sort of talent that would make it collaborative, artistic, or enjoyable. At least people getting music from fiverr are compensating their producers. Why are you so opposed to the idea of paying the people who are providing you services?

>>10456796
>>10456812
Just say your poor and jealous that people make money for doing what they love

>>10456796
do you know of any actually good soundcloud producers? lmfao most of them complain about how they make no money so there's no way they would be offering their services for free unless you have clout. soundcloud producers love clout, but no one here has any actual clout except possibly melancholiaah

>>10456812
So you’re broke. Got it. Save money and pay the artists hon.

>>10456796
>People who actually care about music do most of this for free
Bitch what the fuck are you on. Everyone I’ve ever come across charges to use their music. Even those free “type beat” videos? They charge to use those in certain projects my guy.

>has no idea how either the pro or indie music industry works
I think you’re the one who doesn’t know and is talking out of your ass if this is how you approach people wanting to get paid for their word cheapass.

>>10456939
Thisssssss, nothing in life is free. Nothing.

Out of all the weird arguments I've seen on these threads, I didn't think "should artists be compensated for their work?" would be one that actually had someone against it. Some people will argue anything, huh?

>>10456796
Imagine broadcasting how bitter and poor you are like this lmfaooooo

>>10456521
I get where you’re coming from but some people are literally just doing this for fun. To some people they just enjoy getting into cosplay and dancing to their favorite anime songs. What’s the harm in that?

>>10457181
There is no harm in it, but technically they are just performing idols, whereas original idols put in the work to their dances to showcase their talent. They do it for fun, but a lot of original idols also take it very seriously which is a huge difference between them and cosplayers

>>10457021
If people are going to expect people to make music for free, then that's their own stupid belief. Its definitely not easy to make a song, especially one that is going to catch a listeners attention.

>>10456812
Yo what LMAO get the fuck outta here

>>10457185
There's no harm in it, but in the same breath there's people getting their panties in a twist over it.

Pretty much everything has pros and hobbyists. I'm not sure how viable it is to make a full blown profitable career from being a western idol for this generation, or even the next, but they shouldn't be getting irritable over people doing it for shits and giggles.

You don't see aspiring artists getting all bent out of shape, and posting a video with footage of other people saying where they went wrong. Generally speaking, they do videos of "how to do x y z"

Maybe some people need to put more effort in being constructive rather than critical, cause all that will only get other people's backs up.

But that's my two cents literally nobody asked for.

>>10457021
I think artists working for free boils down to the individual here, and this is something I can understand why pro are getting upset, cause the hobbyists will happily do it for free. Then again, with the online idol fests, they're also doing it for free in their free time.

To be frank, with the state of 2020 and social media being so poor as a platform to really share stuff and for it to get traction... I think the pros are going to have to suck it up and actually just use it for exposure. I get it sucks and it's not ideal, but in theory getting a large fan base will increase your chance in getting slots on bigger stages maybe in 2021.

In that thought... anyone got any original content idols they like and fancy sharing?

>>10457356
My favorites are ShiRo, Koneko, Rira and Yua (in that order). They all have at least a couple of really solid originals and they're the only "idols" i really look forward to seeing new content from. I wish i had a solid group act to follow but it feels like most of the best content comes from soloists imo

Is anyone else noticing idols becoming more and more? Phoebe, Nyaru, and now San have all announced they’re vtubers now and I think a lot more are coming. It’s cool and a great way to get viewers and connect I just wish they were doing it because they want to and not because it’s trendy (most people who do these trends just give up when it doesn’t yield results).

>>10457548
I'm pretty sure so many idols are becoming vtubers just for something to do when they cant perform at cons lol. Perform at home without anyone being able to see your messy room/no makeup/no-effort outfit. Nothing wrong with it, but I doubt any of them will continue once the pandemic's over.

>>10457582
Most are focused on games though, not idol content.

>>10457356
>Pretty much everything has pros and hobbyists. I'm not sure how viable it is to make a full blown profitable career from being a western idol for this generation, or even the next, but they shouldn't be getting irritable over people doing it for shits and giggles.

This, 100%. I take myself seriously, and that's okay. I can't (and don't) expect everyone in the community to be up to my own standards. If I want to succeed, I don't see the point in constantly popping a blood vessel over a 15 year old in a Love Live cosplay. "Cosidols" are typically teenagers and very young adults (18-23), which means they'll move on to a new hobby as soon as this isn't fun and popular with their peers.

>>10457548
A little unrelated, but is anyone else super tired of seeing San's art everywhere in the community? Like, it's cute, but literally everyone who can't draw for themselves goes to her and it's getting boring. Nyaru's new vtuber model, Auracle's new charms... those are just within like the last month! There are other artists! I get wanting to keep it in the community, but have a little originality, people!

>>10457659
You sound bitter and jealous. Its not like San is the only person they are reaching to if you bothered to look.

>>10457659
I agree, but I also like San's art a lot so I'm biased

>>10457659
I don't think there's much of a problem with it. If people want to support her, let them. There are plenty of other artists out there willing to do art for idols and such if people aren't interested in supporting San.

>>10457659
Work harder, showcase better art and people would probably request you too dear....

>>10457659
I think it’s cute, but I do wish there was more variety. Maybe we just need more artists in the community, San is the only one I really see advertise

>>10457688
Lol I'm no artist, just find it a little annoying. I SAID it was cute - just gets old when it's practically all anyone uses.

>>10457659
I’m the anon and I couldn’t care less. I like her style and I really don’t see her art that many places. Even so she’s super talented so it’s easy on the eyes.

>>10457723
It's probably the most reoccurring art but I've seen idols use other artists too. I personally don't find it annoying. It can be hard finding good artists that do the classic anime style like San and Julia. And that seems to be what most people try to go for. If you have artist recommendations do give some lol

>>10457723
So i guess the art they commissioned from kei, pengy, and eira don't count?

>>10457689
Yeah I think this is the biggest issue. Most groups that have a good artist don’t advertise their work to other groups, kinda like an exclusive “I’ll do this for free for my groups promotional stuff/merch” and don’t seem to want to offer paid services outside of that? I can’t draw for shit so I’d love to see more artists within the community offer their services so I can have things like merch made from it.

>>10457951
I feel the same way about Pure Smile (but music instead of art ofc). Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love the music he produces, but he seems to be the only music producer to regularly work with overseas idols. Correct me if I’m wrong though.

>>10457998
He’s the only one that advertises.

In all honesty, the only reason why we see the same artists and producers, is because they’re the only ones that will not only offer their services, but they advertise on the regular.
There are many talented idols in the art and production department but I feel like they lack the confidence to offer the service or just don’t want to because of the pressure.

Its almost like.....artists outside the idol community dont exist.....I feel like having one artist doing the same art for multiple groups isnt BAD in general, but I personally feel like its bad for branding especially if youre trying to stand out and be original. But to each their own I guess.

>>10458030
Sure they exist, and I know several who have contacted non-idol producers. Each producer, however, seems to dick them over, either revised the idol’s music or forced the idol to go with their vision, then leave them high and dry, and/or come up with a scummy ass contract that says the idol works for free or take a very very small profit in exchange for their voice.

It’s just easier to stay within the community.

>>10458056
THIS. I'm sick of trying to find producers who then can't communicate for shit or even listen to what you're wanting and then ghost you or give up. And also like you said, have so many terms and conditions for using their music. Which I mean, freedom to them I guess but please god there's got to be decent producers out there who aren't a pain in the ass to work with.

>>10458056
I was talking about drawing artists, but that's a valid point still.

>>10458056
Anyone have a list of recommended artists or producers to work with?

>>10458071
Yeah, I got sick of SoundCloud-type “producers” fucking me over, so I’ve just stuck to the community.

>>10458075
My bad. Artists tend to be a little more flexible. Producers however tend to suck major ass.

>>10458171
I could definitely try and compile a list. Keep in mind some of the artists won’t be idol related, but jfashion alts. Their art is great tho, and they constantly want to try new styles and stuff.

Some of you have a low standard for what’s acceptable in the idol community. Compare Julily to Melancholiaaah: Would THEY ever post a video like that? Absolutely not. They stay in their lane, support EVERYONE, and don’t put down others. Be more like them. Julily’s a kid that looks like she was bullied and now found a means to bully others.

>>10458392
Hi I don’t know if you noticed but nobody wants to talk about this anymore and we’ve moved past it. You seem to have missed that glaring neon yellow memo.

>>10458397
Saving face by silencing isn’t a cute look

>>10458392
Hi also Melancholiaaah uses he/him pronouns now so please respect that lmao. He’s not nb, he’s a man. It’s public info now so if you’re gonna keep bringing up past topics at least use the correct pronouns thx

>>10458403
Genuinely didn’t know this. Don’t appreciate the sarcasm, but do appreciate the correction. Thanks!

>>10458392
>>10458402
Lol practice what you preach

>>10458392
Some of you have a low standard for what’s acceptable in the idol community. Compare yourself to any other idol: Would THEY ever post this similar message on an anon board like that? Absolutely not. They stay in their lane, support EVERYONE, and don’t put down others. Be more like them. You a kid that looks like you was bullied and now found a means to bully others

>>10458413
eh I don't think supporting EVERYONE is that great either. Being uwu friends with everyone for the sake of "community" can lead to fakeness and a circlejerk. I think everyone should just be real. If you like someone, heck yeah be friends. If you're not into someone, they don't force yourself to be nice to them just to have a good reputation.

>>10458431
This is something I feel needs to be addressed more because it's so blatantly obvious how fake a lot of groups act with each other just to get publicity clout and pull the "you have these skillsets so lets be friends so you can do all these things for me for free" move.

What do you guys think about white/non-Asian POC people using Japanese names as their stage names in this community? There are plenty of examples of this. Personally, I can see how it can be offensive but I'm not sure if people are really willing to change their names and rebrand if they're guilty of this.

>>10458477
I'm not Japanese, so maybe nothing I say really matters on this topic, but I think that as long as the name makes sense and isn't something made-up that "sounds" "Japanese" then I don't think it's so bad.

The thing is, I know the viewpoints of Japanese people in Japan vs Japanese-Americans are different. People in Japan I think would more likely be flattered if they saw people doing that, it would be cultural appreciation. Meanwhile, a lot of Asian-Americans dealt with bullying in school for their Asian names and had to choose western names to survive during school. Seeing that people can now pick and choose "Japanesey" sounding names at will to sound cool, is what is offensive to people.

In this community, I think more people are on the "appreciation" end instead of the "appropriation" end, so as I mentioned above, if it's done correctly and with respect, I can't see it being too much of an issue.

I think the main determinant(?) is if the person is actually studying the Japanese language. If you aren't actively studying Japanese grammar and vocab, but you keep singing Japanese and have a Japanese stagename, then I think that's a bit unacceptable. Like, how could you be so involved into this and not be taking the time to try to at least study the culture and language a bit if you're using so much of it already for popularity? That I think falls more on the "appropriation" end.

>>10458477
I think It’s really weird. If a white person decided to go by a traditionally black name, all hell would break loose. On the lolcow thread, an actual asian person also came forward and said it was offensive.

>>10458477
As someone who used to be guilty of this when I was younger, I can safely say it is very much a phase and if they continue in this scene for a while longer, they'll most likely mature more and realize how cringey it is to use a made up name from another race just to "fit in". But that was just me, so I'm at least hoping that's the case in general for non-asians with japanese stage names. If they were privately approached and explained why it's a problem, I'm sure most would take the time to consider re-branding if they have any concious.

>>10458524
The thing is for me is that there are plenty of adults well into their 20's doing this, and I'm sure they would have seen this debate and people's thoughts on this by now. I don't think they really have an excuse then.

>>10458477
>>10458507
>If a white person decided to go by a traditionally black name, all hell would break loose.
This. I also don't get why there's so many black people who complain that the Japanese/ Korean idol industries (as well as J-fashion, though that's a bit tangential) are not inclusive enough, when they are such ethically homogeneous countries and niche communities, but then you see the same people getting offended that Asian people rap or make hip hop style songs. They call Asians bigots and demand to be a part of their communities by adopting Asian names, using the language and culture to try to become successful, but won't let others do the same for theirs. It's always been really hypocritical for me.

>>10458540
dude this is such a generalization.

First of all, there's no problem with asian people rapping or part-taking in hip-hop music. The problem people have is that sometimes the asian people doing so are people who have no idea of where hip-hop comes from and are only trying to profit from the songs style because it sells. Some of those same asian people would also be the type to be silent when there's discussions online about oppression and racial issues which is hypocritical because they are the ones profiting off of a culture that is created by black people and hip-hop has origins with "anti police brutality" and other issues Black communities face.

Second, the overseas idol community is not an asian community. There's barely any asian people here. You could argue that it's a japanese community, but it's even moreso not. It's a community based in the west. so, are they adopting names from another culture? yes. do some of them want to perhaps get integrated into an actual japanese community? maybe. But the thing is, there are plenty of successful asian rappers in the world. How many successful Black people have there been in Japan as singers that don't have any sort of Japanese blood in them? The dynamics are not comparable.

So, while to do think it's a cringe choice to go for the japanese stage name, it's not something that I can really think to be that big of a deal.

Using an asian name when you’re not asian is really not acceptable at all, ESPECIALLY using Japanese names as a US citizen since Japanese citizens were literally put into concentration camps. I feel you guys, it doesn’t hit me as hard when I see a white girl go by a Japanese name because I’m so surrounded by otaku culture all the time. But imagine if a white girl went by “Hwaseo Kim” like...... That’s obviously weird and is no different from using Japanese names.

There’s a huge difference between appreciating a culture that isn’t yours through learning the language, wearing the clothing TASTEFULLY, being an overseas idol, etc. BUT a name is something you claim as your own.

>>10458504
I agree with this but also not Japanese so take that with a grain of salt. But it's also been brought up by many Asians on this topic that if it's a name given to you by a person in that culture then it's typically ok to use. But I think for a lot of people they just go w whatever sounds "kawaii desu" or they rip a name from some anime idol as their stage name. I also agree that if you're not actively learning Japanese then you have double no right to use a Japanese word/name/etc as your stage name. It's just tacky as shit.

>>10458402
You have no reason to save face if it’s not even about you. The whole thread literally moved past it.

>>10458477
I feel like regardless of reason, it shouldn’t happen. I’m not Asian but I have a chinese name I was given when I was learning the language. I really don’t use it outside of Chinese conversation if and when it comes up because just going around using the name doesn’t make sense. I understand wanting to pick a stage name for identity purposes but there’s plenty of regular names to use (just like at Platinum Happy, they all have stage names). There are some names which have roots in other languages and are similar sounding to Japanese (a lot of African names are like this) but you don’t know those without asking.

>>10452758
Wasn’t there an anon who posted about the OIC founder using her ex and ex fiancé for money while refusing to have a job herself? Not everyone has to work if you are gross enough to exploit men for money for your hobbies and free flights to japan.

>>10458477
I'm asian but not japanese, and have a "japanese-sounding" idol name; however, that's inspired purely because of my asian name, and it isn't a real japanese name. I think it's a little weird if white ppl use japanese names, but if it's more of a "made-up" name that sounds japanese/idol-like that's fine. I think the lines tend to blur for names like rei or nico or mari, because these are names that also appear in other languages and are becoming more and more popular names for non-japanese babies. But for very japanese names like sakura or asuka or yumeko, it's pretty bad in my opinion.

Obviously I'm not japanese, just asian, so my opinion doesn't really matter on this. But I agree with the sentiment that names aren't quite the same as learning a language or wearing the clothes of a culture.

>>10458707
oh look, you're back. Boring. Please don't get any more threads dismantled with your weird vendetta and lack of proof.

>>10458504
As a Japanese person raised in the US, now that more people have been coming forward with how it makes them feel, I hope it discourages people from taking on Japanese stage names in the future. But on the other hand, I don't think it's completely necessary for established performers to change their names. Is it a little cringy? Sure. But as long as it's done respectfully I honestly think it's fine. It's been so normalized for so long (not just in the idol community, but in related ones like the odottemita and utattemita and jfash comms) that as long as they're not actively trying to pretend that they're Japanese I give them a bit of a pass. Names are only one small part of a person's identity and they shouldn't be judged entirely on that.

As an idol with a stage name derived from a Japanese word, I’ll admit that if I could go back, I’d pick a different stage name. It’s difficult to change it now that I’m already established under that name though, but to compensate, I’ve started using my real name in my idol activities more, and having my nationality displayed openly.

On a similar note to the name thing, how do you feel about idols who aren’t Japanese (or living in Japan) releasing original songs in Japanese? Personally I feel like it shouldn’t be their main focus, maybe a Japanese version as a bonus track or something, but if they’re going to release original songs they should mainly sing in English (or whatever their native language is).

>>10458825
I think it depends on their main goal. If they want their audience to be japanese, they should focus on Japanese language. If they want both English AND Japanese audiences, then I'd say English first and then japanese versions.

>>10458825
Honestly, one of my favorite things about overseas idol music is getting to hear their languages in a song inspired by fun upbeat idol music. Menggapai Bintang by Starlight Sugar (https://youtu.be/Tfmp_A42Rso)) and Diane by Selene (https://youtu.be/k3-bcituTaU)) are some of my favorite examples of this. That being said I see no problem with people who choose to primarily release original songs in Japanese, especially if they know at least some Japanese already. Languages have pretty distinct cadences, and J-pop has been formed around the cadence of the Japanese language. Sometimes, English lyrics or other languages just sound awkward and forced when paired with jpop beats, it really depends on the song. So I support either option, but for artists that primarily make original music in Japanese, I do kinda expect them to speak at least some Japanese regularly.

>>10458825
It depends on their motivations! Some people do it to reach a specific audience, some do it as language practice - as long as it's done with good intentions I don't think it's bad.

>>10458477
It’s racist

>>10458994
nah.

I was wondering, how do y'all avoid copyright strikes when doing a dance cover? Am I stuck changing the pitch to get around it on Youtube?

>>10458477
You did this over on lolcow. No one wanted to engage you there, and I don’t see how a janitor hasn’t shut you up now.

>>10459124
Use the live versions or covers. 8/10 times I avoid the copyright strike.

>>10459138
Not the anon from lolcow, but ok

>>10459124
Just pitch it up by a half step

Calina just dropped a vocal cover collaborating with Julily and Mame (who I'm admittedly unfamiliar with)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX50154nUG4

I've always liked the song and I'm a fan of Calina's, but I feel like this cover suffers from having like too many words shoved into a line. Its only present in some parts though.

>>10459494
I just heard it and it sounded like they tried to shove 100 words into a minute.... it’s ok.... but not Calina’s best

>>10459494
I couldn't listen to it much cause I just kinda got cringed out of it. Could be the combination of the lyrics and awkward singing.

>>10459138
Didn’t you know? Nobody wants to talk about anything besides drama about specific people on lolcow. This is obviously the better place to get opinions on the topic.

>>10459503
Is there ANY Western idol that's not pure cringe?

>>10459534
No. We’re all weebs. Find real jp idols if you don’t want cringe.

>>10458763
What are you referring to? The admin who stepped down?

>>10459615
^^
diana garnet was good at otakon. “idols” would be better off if they were more like her

>>10459730
She’s a singer and talent, not an idol.

>>10459494
This could’ve benefited from some tuning especially on Julily’s voice (I don’t mean to single her out but while they were all of, it’s especially obvious for her). Like another anon said it’s too cramped in some areas and feels a bit sloppy with words. I do love the song though. Predia is a good example of adult based idols.

not sure if its completely relevant, but Phoebe is doing the Vtuber thing now as well and her model is really white washed??

>>10460897
I disagree. Also I don't see the issue anyways. It's a character.

Most anime style lightens up all colors, not just skin. Her hair and eyes are darker in real life too. And if you compare screenshots of anime to their real life counterparts, you'll notice all the colors have been brightened up for the anime. I understand the concern of white washing and I hate when it's done to characters, but I don't think this is a case of that. If you took a photo of her and used the eyedropper tool to catch the skin tone, it would look really out of place in a drawing like that. The same would go for any white people drawing themselves anime too.

Damn the video itself is really creative and well put together. Phoebe has a great voice and personality for Vtubing so I think it'll only enhance her idol activities!

As for the whitewashing I didn't really notice the skin tone being lighter until you pointed it out, but it's pretty minor.

https://youtu.be/WHVuuGeVkJM

New thread >>10461102

>>10461095
The video is super well done I agree, I think it just stood out to me because of the transformation sequence she threw in. She's dressed in an outfit and hairstyle that really closely matches her model so it just stood out as odd to me that the skin tone didn't transition as well.

Honestly I'm probably projecting, but I have dark skin I used to thate and I don't want anyone to feel that way or get that impression when these things happen. As you ssaid its pretty minor and a nit pick. The video itself is great and I look forward to her streams.