/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I miss Tyler's old content. The fatshaming video was a joke and her uploads became more and more infrequent the past months. Now that she gets 1000$ monthly I thought she might upload more frequently with better quality

Can't believe lor cried like a baby because she wasn't invited at a tea party and kept it in the video. What a mess..

>>10451924
Which video?

>>10451912
Scenes are for actors. It was a boring video of her cringey past and shitty music taste.

>>10451926
https://youtu.be/g1BF2GGEj1U?t=563

>>10451924
Her comm has several other youtubers, one of which was invited to that tea party. She was left out purposely and has every right to be upset. The youtube comm member who did end up being invited told everyone else that they shouldn't invite Lor so that Lor couldn't "make it about herself."

>>10451939
Sauce?

>>10451939

Being upset and ugly crying on a YT video you can edit are two very different things.

>>10451939
No one is saying she can’t be upset. We’re saying she should have edited it out.

>>10451943
Or scrapped the video. She looked so goddamn petty.

But she still chose to post it and let people she her meltdown

>>10451945
It’s her video, she left it in there intentionally. Just skip it if you don’t want to watch it.

>>10451953
Other people are allowed to have opinions on her videos, you know that right? “It’s her video” is a weak ass argument. The Last Jedi was Rian Johnson’s movie and he left a lot of retarded shit in there presumably intentionally. If you put something out into the world people are going to have opinions on it and Lor isn’t an exception.

>>10451954
Lol who gives a fuck

>>10451954
You’re no fun

>>10451954
Are you seriously making that comparison?
Multi million dollar movie vs a homemade YouTube video.

>>10451912
Jeez is this just a bad thumbnail or has Lor gained even more weight?

>>10451971
just fat

>>10451971
Just fat. I feel sorry for her girlfriend desu because she is in a much better body weight. Lor seems to have just let go completely. Like, I am not saying you have to be perfect cellulite free, but I can't imagine having to sleep with someone this fat if you are a pretty girl

Whatever happened to that Carly girl who did that venusangelic parody

>>10451924
Being left out is shitty. They could've warned her ahead of time, or invited her and told her not to film and tone it down so that Darcei could have the spotlight

I always get left out unless I arrange my own meetup

>>10451953

Yes, exactly. It's intentional. It's embarrassing. She's allowed to leave it in but it says far more about her than I care to know.

Girls do mean shit, the SO comm is notoriously mean. Tell me more. But in a way they were right when they got that public reaction out of her.

>>10452032
Okay but did you actually watch the video? She actually did edit it out. Thats why she did the voice over.

She is massive, but I actually think she looks less ugly than usual in this thumbnail. Maybe if she gains enough weight she’ll blur out her witchlike features and finally have a feminine face.

>>10452029

They specifically noted why they left her out and from what I remember her voiceover or details made it seem like it wasn't malicious and was more to be inclusive of Darcei and her video. Maybe Lor just has the type of personality that draws a lot of attention or may be distracting to the comm?

Plus the video she reacted to was specifically about black girls trying lolita so Lor being this butthurt about why she wasn't invited makes her recent BLM stuff feel less genuine if she can't see that the whole focus of the video was about something she couldn't even contribute to or offer any advice on that the black comm members wouldn't already be able to tell Darcei. Everything isn't about Lor.

Anyone worth while other than Lor, Tyler, etc?

>>10452037
Depends on your taste. I personally watch

>AiryMichelle
>Callista (MagicalGirlMe)
>CandyCarnival
>Kimbuucha
>RoseNocturnalia

>inb4 vendettas
If you don’t like any of them, congrats. I’m just saying who I’m subscribed to.

>>10452043
I'll check them out. Thanks, anon!

>>10452036
She was hurt because everyone there was her friend and she felt left out. It isn’t always a race issue.

It’s ok to be hurt by actions that were meant well too, they weren’t being mean. People get hurt all the time over misunderstandings.

I think she left it in because it was the reaction. She would have to scrap the video otherwise. The voiceover was her way of trying to smooth out the obvious hurt she had in seeing her friends hang out without her.

>>10452058
Not to mention she was doing a reaction video; the whole point is to give authentic reactions, and she did exactly that. Tbh if I was her; I'd have felt bad too. They should've included her. There's truly no good excuse to not invite her. Sounds like her friends aren't very good ones.

>>10451912
is Lor actually afab?

im seriously getting some weird vibes from her.

>>10452063
>there is no excuse not to invite her
Except, you know, the fact that this was for a different youtuber’s video? Not to mention the fact that lor has had multiple issues in the past with her forcing her video recording onto her comm and she has said that? Maybe the other person didn’t WANT to collab and knew lor would try to make it a collaboration

>>10452066
>afab
Back to Tumblr, Aiden

Anyone else feel like all the lolita Youtube content out there is aimed at outsiders or beginners? Maybe lolita just isn't an interesting enough topic to make videos about but I've rarely found anything I actually enjoy. My favourite type of video is hauls where they show you how everything looks worn, but they don't seem to be too popular anymore.

>>10452070
>Anyone else feel like all the lolita Youtube content out there is aimed at outsiders or beginners?
No, I would say that is the minority of content. Basically just Lor. Maybe Jo but I don’t want watch her so idk

>>10452070
I feel the same. I love looking at hauls and reviews too, I wish more people did them, there were loads back in the day. I guess people just don't as much any more?

>>10452070
i want more content for lolitas, not for just beginners or outsiders..

>>10452077
which is why i miss milkbox's content so much! she was always so well coorded and her stufff was always targeted at ppl who wear the fashion, not just lolitas at heart

anyone know of any channels like hers?

>>10452037
>>10452043
Adding to the list Asami Moon. She only has a few videos up but I like them.

>>10452035
Look at old photos of her. She suits being fat far more than she did being thin, it’s already softened up her features a lot

>>10452066
i'm pretty sure if she was trans, she would have come out by now. also she's mentioned once or twice how she can't speak to trans issues since she can't relate.

tdlr; just because you get "weird vibes" doesn't mean a person is trans lol

>>10452066
I’m not usually a “lurk moar newb” person, but seeing someone think “is lor is trans?” is a novel thought is extremely amusing

>>10452093
I know being larger isn’t helping her fit into the brand but I agree with you on this.

>>10452066
See, this is the problem with the whole gender ordeal going on. What we call masculine facial and body shapes are not exclusive to men. People don't know what real people look like anymore, spoiled off of what the media and social media portrays.

can lor learn how to do makeup? her nose contour is so terrible in that vid (doesn't help that her wig is cut bad). in every video it looks like she copied an asian makeup tutorial for a different face structure.

>>10452066
Literal children can determine the sex of strangers and if you can't do that then I'm sorry you were dropped on your head as a baby

>>10452058

I get the initial being upset, but I hope she like most adults think thoroughly about what they're feeling and try to understand it better.

She is allowed to feel hurt but I also respect Lor's intelligence enough to expect her to understand why she wasn't invited, and taking into account >>10452067 claims about Lor sort of pushing her videos or attempt to generate YouTube content onto comm members or her desire to make it a collab or something may have been outputting or just seemed unnecessary to comm members.

I wasn't saying it was a race thing in particular, but the video she responded to was black girl trying lolita, and if there were experienced black lolitas in the comm around to help, she doesn't need Lor's input or advice in the video so her presence wouldn't have been beneficial to the content at all. Being left out of a meet in general VS veing left out of a meet for the specific purpose of helping this video about a topic Lor isn't really able to speak on except from the outside (she is a lolita but not black) be recorded more smoothly are two very different things.

She seemed to acknowledge it wasn't bullying and her feelings are valid but based on her personality in videos she seems like she can get tough to be around depending on the situation and context and with Darcei being a newbie I'm sure it's a bit weird to have someone who sees themselves a a super knowledgeable and trying to help a little "too" much milling about in your video trying to be an ally or a lolita expert when Darcei just wanted to document her attempts at lolita the same way she does all her makeup or other looks.

>>10452098

Her face looks much better when it's more full even though her body looks like a skinnyfat sausage in some of her smaller brand.

>>10452103
i think my main problem with her is that more than other people she seems to only make videos for attention. i don't feel like she cares that much about her content personally. it explains the reaction pretty well too. it just seems disrespectful for her to kick up such a fuss.

>>10452107

Yeah I think most people while understanding why she felt left out and was going through a tough time still have a sort of "everything is not about you, Lor" response to her reaction because it feels like she is making it about herself even the way she addresses it with the voiceover/editing it out slightly.

>>10452067
Then why was Hyper Kiss, another youtuber in SO comm, so insistent on
>being there
>making sure Lor wasn't around

>>10452136
The lolitas at the tea party are all part of a pretty close-knit friend group. She's part of that friend group. Lor isn't.

>>10452136

Where is the evidence this Hyper Kiss person both insisted on themselves being there and excluding Lor? None of that seemed present in either video, Darcei's or Lor's.

>>10452136
Ah yes, a ytber with 270ish subscribers is on the same level of attention as...Lor with 94k. Just admit you have a vendetta with this comm, and that it isnt about Lor and her friends.

>>10452136
HyperKiss has less than 300 subs and doesn’t have a history of putting her videos before her comm, anon

>>10452138
Lor is a grown woman, but there is a reason why this particular instance brought her to tears.

>>10452070
We will never have this type of advanced content again. Every youtuber who stood out with exceptional content was bullied into quitting.

>Just read the criticisms of Lor in this thread. Who would open themselves up to this bullying willingly? I bet this is why Lor only makes shopping service ads now, and why Tyler barely uploads at all anymore. You people are savages.

>>10452150
Basically this.

>>10452148

Could you elaborate? I only have the two videos for reference so if there's more to know that gives a different impression of the situation I would like to hear about it.

>>10451939
And yet she proved in her own video that she couldn't not make it about herself

>>10452103
I mean there were other white lolitas there too.

Does anybody know how many main pieces Tyler has off the top of their head? And has lor ever shared her closet? I’m not a huge follower but I was just wondering

>>10452150
I agree. There would be a lot more content if people were less judgmental and happy about lolitas learning how to do youtube videos well instead of bullying them off the platform for minor reasons. I bet there are loads of lolitas who would want to start a channel, but are too worried about the reaction.

>>10452171
Tyler should have 72 or 73 dresses now (I’m not a freak, I just remember her last wardrobe video had 69 because I’m a child ig)

Lor has been doing wardrobe videos since the beginning of time. Pick a year

>>10451939
>told everyone else that they shouldn't invite Lor so that Lor couldn't "make it about herself."
And that’s exactly what she ended up doing anyways.

>>10451978
Her gf is getting fat af too

>>10452181

But she is taller/less unfortunate facially than Lor so she just looks "curvy" or a little chubby and less disproportionately overweight body wise than Lor does.

Honestly though Lor is an aging white woman and it's quarantine time. Most people gain a bit of weight as they age and people who aren't using their free time while at home to exercise are almost inevitably gaining some weight due to stress and lack of moving around. No reason to shit on her for it especially since her face while not the most cute looks far better with more fat in it than it did when she was thin.

>>10452032
SO comm is so toxic. I’m so glad I moved away for work but hate when this comm visits my comm’s area for an event or convention. I’ve never been in a comm that is so hateful that members go above and beyond to isolate anyone that doesn’t blindly join in their hate crusade towards whoever they decide to hate that month. It’s always over someone’s difference in opinion, minor inconvenience to them or just over a misunderstanding. It’s so gross how they will rip apart people they don’t even know without ever having any personal experiences around whoever they decide to target. It’s one big cesspool of giant fake personalities to make up for how nasty they actually are inside all trying to stomp around each other to compete.

>>10452036
Lor is nice enough that if they told her why and what was going on she would have been more than understanding and not filmed. Her “friends” did it purposely and fed her some bullshit lie knowing that she’s naive enough to believe it.

>>10452216
>>10452215

Can you guys quit vagueposting about this comm and give deets with proof about these claims or whatever? If Lor was being bullied I don't think she'd stay in the comm or call the comm members her friends. Plus isn't her whole "Lovely" persona a little fake too according to her own admission?

>>10452216
Honestly, you're acting like it was their duty to invite her to the event or tell her about it just because it was lolita related.

Your friends are NOT obligated to tell you about everything they are planning. Sometimes they have friend groups outside of yourself and they are allowed to make plans with them and don't need to tell you about every step they take.

>>10452150
Agreed. So many lolitas are really really mean and I think it's honestly just because a lot of people who gravitate to this fashion are sort of insecure in general. So they bully people online to make themselves feel good.

There are so many instances here where people legit start raging when a situation was never that deep and, likely, just a misunderstanding. Of course no one wants to make a Youtube channel.

So blame yourselves for why the community has no influx of lolitas waiting to make a youtube channel. We joke a lot about cringe behavior but IMO nothing is more ita than being a bully, anon or not. You can give feedback/critique w/o bullying someone.

>>10452171
>>10452174
>should have 72 or 73 dresses now
I always wonder if I made videos and was more prominent on social media, if I would get "lolita famous"? Because I have just about as large an AP collection as her, with a lot more AP accessories even.

Not trying to sound narcissistic, but people love to watch others with big/impressive wardrobes, like it's something to be "respected" and "looked up to." It's weird having more burando than these more popular people. Not that I want any fame, it's just weird because I watch the video, feeling impressed, and then remember that I have all the same pieces in my closet.

>>10451953
Unpopular opinion, but I’m not mad she left it in. It’s actually rather comforting to see that someone so well known also gets shafted from time to time

>>10452224
Tyler isn't famous for her collection though, she's famous because of LWLN. The literal nobodies that >>10452043 listed have big wardrobes too but they're not famous or popular, other than maybe Rose quickly rising in popularity now.

>>10452224
70 piece AP wardrobes have been around since the early live journal days. You’d be respected among established lolitas that find you but it certainly won’t get you tons of followers.

>>10452233
maybe noobs will follow, but i generally agree.

>>10452036
That's a blatantly made up bullshit reason. Lor could be there and still react to it, or know about it but not go and react

>>10452073
Jo is so boring, no one wants to watch an hour of someone just existing

>>10452230
Yeah I think this is the difference. You have to have some sort of "character" to get popular.

>>10452233
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. I always felt weird that others had large wardrobes too, but aren't really talked about.

>>10452235
I have no issue with her reaction or leaving it in her video. Being left out sucks and she said she was generally having a hard time and stuff so I get it.

But without any real evidence besides vague gossip about her comm I as one of both Lor and Darcei's subscribers have no way of knowing anything besides what is in her video. How is the comm bullying her if even Lor claims she understands why she was excluded?

>>10452239
70 mains isn't big. A lot of lolitas who have been around more than a few years have 100. 70 is not small but only a noob will be impressed by it

>>10452235
While I genuinely feel like it would be shitty if that happened, posting your friend drama to YouTube is tacky.

It sucks but sometimes personal shit happens. telling 94k strangers about it on your fashion YouTube, particularly when the people involved are also from the fashion community, is unnecessary for everyone involved.

>>10452241
I’d say it’s large but not impressive if that makes sense. Regardless, people won’t be shitting themselves over OP

>>10452174
Glad I’m not the only one who remembered it for a immature reason

72 sounds about right, because she bought ice cream parlor, vanilla chan and Kumya’s sweet ice cream after that video

>>10452172
There’s also a lot of small creators that never get recommended cause of the YouTube algorithm

>>10452241
naryt but a lot of lolitas have >100 pieces and it's all taobao or not cohesive.

>>10452249

She specifically said she missed out on Ice Cream Parlor twice and wasn't willing to buy secondhand. So that would mean only 2 dresses.

>>10451932
This is really embarrassing to watch.

Lor has a track record over what, nearly a decade now? of being whiney, having drama, and being fake. If there was nothing up with her, she wouldn't have this reputation and her work would speak for itself. She needs to just get out already.

It is obvious she us upset about this for one reason, the fact that she wasn't included, but then paints it as mUH dEpREsSION is influencing her being so butthurt. She should not have kept any of that victimizing crap in this video and that ending kills any last shred of respect someone could have for her.

It is also laughable how she complains about not making much money off being a "lolita influencer" and how her quitting youtube is SUCH a big deal. No one cares? Lolita is not a hobby for her to make money by sitting on her ass recording shitty videos. She is old, looks terrible, can't coord worth shit, and should just get a real job and learn to do her actual makeup already, holy shit. How can someone be this ita for this long.

>>10452221
I never said that, I’m just saying that it’s weird someone’s friend group would purposely leave them out for such a dumb reason when they already invite them to everything. Having friend groups outside of oneself is perfectly fine and normal but it’s not the same thing as your whole friend group minus you. You’re being way too literal about shit, my dude.

>>10452256
>She is old, looks terrible, can't coord worth shit, and should just get a real job and learn to do her actual makeup already, holy shit.
this so hard. all she's done recently is enabled itas. she's never suited lolita and she's never seemed like a good influencer.

>>10452256

She isn't that old and her age is not the reason for why people dislike her. In fact, most people despite acknowledging she isn't super pretty don't dislike her for her looks either. Her character or personality/persona and way of speaking or opinions she expresses onscreen are what people usually critique. Don't ruin valid criticism of a person by being petty about their age or looks, it just makes the person's fans want to lump everyone else in with "bullies" judt hating Lor for no reason when most people who have somethong bad to say are focused more on her actions and not her looks beyond coord choices.

>>10452259
Whenever you are wondering about why you got left out, the answer is you. You're the problem. Only victim complexes think everyone is wrong but them.

>>10452261
Sorry anon, I wrote that poorly. I meant she looks old, not is old, because her makeup and coords look like shit and age her. I completely agree there is no age limit in this fashion, it's her permanently looking like an amateur and still acting so childish for her age that makes her look like a joke.

Bad wording on my part though, sorry about that.

>>10452262
it's not black and white like that, that goes for >>10452259 too. there's no right answer to this kind of thing. the difference with lor is she got an answer, just not the one she wanted i guess so she's kicking up a fuss. a comm is not your close friends and even if they were, friends do things without everyone sometimes. excluding people from one or two events isn't bullying nor is it a problem regardless. they aren't your family.

>>10452250
Maybe it's just me but ever since I started watching Kimbuucha and Tyler, I discovered a whole strong of lolita youtubers.

>>10452261
Even 10 years ago she looked like a crossdressjng man.

Now shes an old crossdressing man

>>10452255
i think by 'twice' she meant the original JP and the US release, because she later said that the rerelease saved her or something

>>10451912
Really wish she would use a lighter hand with her eyebrows

>>10452282

She said she got the rerelease of the Kumya's Sweet Ice Cream (BABY released more stock later) from what I can tell, but missed Ice Cream Parlor and refused to pay above retail for it since it wasn't all that great despite being cute I thought.

>>10452255
She did get Ice Cream Parlor though. She just filmed a video for it.

>>10451923
Quarantine has been hard on her, she mentioned on patreon a few times that her mental health hasn't been good, but she filmed three videos today.

>>10452306

Oh, I don't follow her other SM besides YouTube so I was just going by the Kumya Ice Cream vid.

>>10452290
You are correct. I am not sure what >>10452282
Is misunderstanding. She was pretty clear.

>>10452289
she really doesn't know how to do makeup. i don't understand how she's never learned how or gotten better. it's not like there aren't any number of tutorials out there for her face shape that she would benefit from.

>>10452249
She also bought that BTSSB Wizard of Oz dress

>>10452277
>Kimbuucha
I've never heard of her but she is new from the dates on her videos. I like the few videos she posted. Do you have other recommendations anon?

I’m interested, is there a link to this tea party video lor was upset about somewhere? Maybe missed it.

>>10452341
It’s literally up thread

>>10452341

It was a video by a YouTuber named MissDarcei who made a video called "Black Girl Tries Japanese Lolita Fashion" or something. The tea party was really just the end of the video, most of it is her makeup and getting dressed and derping around like she usually does in her "trying X style" videos.

>>10452339
Most of them are
>>10452043
>>10452086
And searching Lolita Meetups lead me to a few channels like Lanie in Wonderland who also does cosplay, FluffyKawaiiJo, and Melz Jelly who doesn't upload as much.

>>10451912
That fringe is cut so horribly. it makes her face look so wide. What's the point in having a face framing hime cut if it's not going to be framing your face?

>>10452356

Normally Lor had a really long horse face, bangs making it look more side rather than long is probably a good thing.

>>10452084
I miss it too. I loved the toot or boot reviews

>>10452249
She also got the wizard of oz dress and teased it

>>10452335
>>10452378
So jealous. I wanted it real bad but had higher priorities at that moment

>>10452378
Which one was that?

>>10452378
I like how everyone is trying to justify why I said 72-73 when I literally went “idk I bought 4 dresses since then so that sounds right”

Excited for the WoZ review, though.

>>10452383
Came in a v cute sax too

>>10452386
oh how cute! I I don't follow new releases much, I thought it was a re-release of their old Wizard of Oz piece.

>>10452387

>>10452386
This is the really old one, not the new one.

>>10452387
Two JSKs, a skirt, and an OP. Another knock out right after the ice cream one

>>10451939
One reason she was left out was because not everyone wants her to direct their video. Not everyone wants her input. And Lot needs to deal with that. They had no contract that stated, "Lot must be part of any video you create." Love has no right to be upset because people lived their life without her involvement. Grow the fuck up.

>>10451978
You obviously haven't watched the latest video. They both are very overweight. That's why Fat Shaming video was made. To defend Lor and her overweight side kick. If you thought it was about anything else, your mistaken. Love & GF get fat. Tyler makes video about fat shaming and deflects it to a racial issue and food. Can we connect dots?

>>10452277
Lately I’ve finally been getting some good recs for smaller channels but I had to actively interact with lolita fashion content for a while to find them

Join and have fun!!
https://discord.gg/DVYuyPp

>>10452392
>>10452393
Your vendetta is showing phone-chan, take your meds. “Love” cant hurt you.

>>10452099
I'm pretty sure the "whole gender ordeal going on" is on your side here? As in the MSM is bad at showing a variety of facial features and misrepresents what people actually look like, and they want to change that.

Are there any youtubers who focus on Meta?

I used to search "lolita fashion" and search by date to find new videos but lately there's been a lot of lingerie and videos with otherwise questionable stuff, I hate it.

>>10452402
No, there are no based youtubers unfortunately

>>10452390
The other jsk is more unique, but I love this cut more. I kind of want the pink one to go with this bag.

>>10452398
>"Love" can't hurt you.
Kek

>>10452393
you're way too obsessed with the bodies of people you don't even know.

>>10452393
can you show some proof of this aleged obesity?

of her girlfriend I mean, we can all see lor is packing on the pounds, really bad.

>>10452399
Partially. I'm just annoyed with certain folks who think men and women should look a certain way and try to turn themselves into that while also putting down people who don't.

>>10452084
She didn't post lolita videos all that often from what I remember. I rarely see content aimed for lolitas at heart anymore so thank fuck that trend was left behind with Peachie and whoever else made videos in 2015

>>10452357
I’m not saying bangs in general are bad for her face. I’m saying her particular bangs are shit. They’re cut way too wide. You can even see her sideburns in front of her hime side pieces

>>10452453
I mean, lor really does look like a not very passing trans woman, lets be real here.

Its a valid question considering the insane rate of both men and women transitioning in the opposite gender, not that I have an issue with it, I was simply curious if she was.

>>10452390
Are you talking out of your ass or something? First you post the wrong print, then you mention an OP that doesn’t exist.

>>10452490

Lor doesn't look trans to me. Just an unfortunate looking woman.

>>10452256
This is exactly what leads us to not having much lolita content. If you don’t like Lor or her content that’s fine, but why not liking it means she shouldn’t post anymore? No one will please every lolita ever and that’s fine, no need to be a cunt about content you don’t appreciate.

>>10452514

Nayrt and while I'm not a fan of Lor, I agree to a point. I don't think she needs to stop posting just because I feel lukewarm about her content.

>>10452351
Thanks anon. I've tried most of the older channels mentioned, but don't care for a few so I was hoping for some new channels created this year.

Personally I hate unboxing or haul videos and will only watch if it's a review, but a lot of times girls just gush about the dress and can't review quality. Nor will I watch the trendy YouTube videos like reacts and such. Seems like most lolitas follow these trends.

>>10452440
nayrt but I mean...it is very visible here. And note that they are using an overhead camera which makes people look slimmer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFnN-ktM_0Y

>>10452538
>Personally I hate unboxing or haul videos and will only watch if it's a review, but a lot of times girls just gush about the dress and can't review quality. Nor will I watch the trendy YouTube videos like reacts and such. Seems like most lolitas follow these trends.

I was the anon who mentioned those channels and none of them do unboxings or reacts. What?

>>10452547
anon's not saying the channels you recommend have those, it's clearly a separate thought.

>>10452547
It was a separate thought, but yes most of them do. I will subscribe if they have enough other videos that are interesting, but those type of videos plus vlogs/meet videos take up most of their content.

>>10452538
I’ve thought about starting a channel to review dresses since I enjoy talking about my dresses, but is there really demand for this? This goes double for older dresses since everyone wants reviews of new releases but what about stuff that’s been around for a while?

>>10452557
I don't speak for everyone but I enjoy them because it's the closest thing I can get to handling the dresses before I decide on buying them.

>>10452084
Why did she quit anyway?

>>10452557
I would enjoy it. Having videos going into details on main pieces like fabric quality and close up on details of pieces would be nice. Stock photos don't always show every details and examples of coords would be kinda cool as well. But thats just me

>>10452557
Yes, I would watch. I'd really like if you could go into detail about quality as well. A lot of reviews do not cover quality and just cover the basics, barely describing the design elements and overall construction or material choices.

>>10452572
she recently has started making videos again related to her art and life but i think she just lost the passion :(

maybe she will make j fashion/lolita content in the future tho? i have a giant milkbox shaped void in my heart. desu I think the only lolita youtuber with a similar level of charisma and quality is kimbuucha

>>10451924
Honestly, seeing her live (unscripted) reaction made me really sad. It sucks to be purposely left out especially by the people you consider to be your friends.

>>10452592
Kimbuucha is so cute and great.

>>10452595

I felt pretty bad for her but as someone who is from a really big comm in abbig city where people all have their own little sub friend groups along with the main group, everyone doesn't always individually invite everyone or the whole comm to things they do together depending on closeness and the subject or purpose of the gathering. I'm sure they genuinely didn't mean it in a mean way, especially with how they were honest with Lor and talked to her about it after.

>>10452597
>>10452592
>>10452277
>>10452043
What's with the hardcore shilling of this literal who?

>>10452605
Idk, I just included her in my list of people I watch. I guess other people like her too? She’s doing a wardrobe series now so that’s nice.

>>10452576
Someone started making videos like that awhile ago but stopped after a few. I can't remember the name though. I remember one on APs Petit patisserie.

>>10452562
>>10452576
>>10452587
Thanks gulls, maybe I’ll make a channel then. I didn’t wanna make videos if no one would watch so it’s nice to know I wouldn’t be talking to myself.

Any youtubers who discuss/review indie brands (western and taobao)? Or is it just a million girls talking about the same AP/Baby/Moitie dresses?

>>10452605
Not everyone on YT has a huge following.

>>10452670
Most of the “brand whores” you are referencing do buy and review indie, but they also own a fair amount of brand because brand makes good dresses. Get your head out of your ass

>>10452605
> people talking positively about something they enjoy = shilling
oh ok good to know

>>10452732
Literally anyone in this thread mentioned in a positive light more than once is subject to “wahhh stop self posting!” nonsense.

For what it’s worth, I like Kim because she’s actually comfortable in front of the camera and doesn’t talk like she has a gun to her head like most of the other lolita Youtubers

>>10452727
I... didn't call anyone a brandwhore. It's just boring to see the same dresses discussed over and over by everyone. The only time I see indie discussed is when it's sponsored. Gonna give recs or no?

>>10452736
Every youtuber mentioned in this thread owns indie and most of the most have some reviews. What style do you want?

>>10452605
Anon, I know this might be hard to hear, but in the grand scheme of things, everyone in this hobby is a literal who.

>>10452744
No shhh we have one youtuber who hasn’t even broke 100k

>>10452737
>Every youtuber mentioned in this thread owns indie
Tyler has made it clear she wouldn't be caught dead in indie. The only non AP/Baby dress she owns is a singular Bodyline dress.

>>10452748
She literally ordered lady sloth coffee tea time and spent 10 minutes fawning over it. what are you talking about?

>>10452751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf1qOFNJ_E0
>56 dresses, 53 are AP, 2 Baby, 1 Bodyline
Unless she somehow changed completely since then, what I said is correct. My guess would be that LS paid her to shill. It's clear from this vid she doesn't give a shit about indie.

>>10452757
This video isn’t even her latest wardrobe video. It’s two years old... what are you smoking?

>>10452757
She bought meta, more baby & indie since then and hardly any AP. Her last video was about how AP is shit these days. So yeah, I’d say she’s “completely changed”

>>14:15 of Lor's new video
She mentions rockabilly and goth hair are similar to scene hair... I just. What.

>>10452781
I think she was trying to explain it to people who weren’t scene, but considering she was apparently scene for the sake of being alt idk how informed she really was

>>10452780
>AP is shit these days
I wish more people agreed so that their releases were actually easy to get. Everything's a fucking bloodbath.

>>10452784
everybody who was scene was doing it for the sake of being alt

>>10452791
All my friends were emo or metalheads who were actually into their respective scenes, as cringe as the could be. I guess I’m being too generous giving the cobrastarship crowd the benefit of the doubt

>>10452748
Tyler only gives a fuck about AP so don't pat her on the back for having a single indie or Baby dress

>>10452605
Because people fucking asked for recommendations you paranoid twit and lolita youtube itself is slim pickings to start with so everyone aside from the 3 popular ones mentioned already is a literal who.

>>10452663
Go for it. Just be aware your view count is going to be very low for a while because of the algorithm and lolita itself already being niche. But if I find a new dress reviewer up, I'll be sure to catch you.

>>10452557
For older dresses, it'd be easier to post detail/worn pictures so making an entire video towards a single old dress doesn't seem necessary

>>10452917
i would love a channel for slow-mo video close-ups of old dresses with a voiceover rambling about how beautiful all the details are. that's my favorite type of video.

>>10452605
it's not shilling, she's cute, has presence, and makes nice content. also knows how to coord. hell of a lot more than you can say of lor and tyler, to an extent.
>when will she learn how clip-on bangs work

I really miss deerstalker's lolita content... After milkyfawn left they went to complete shit.

>>10452985
Tyler has real bangs now, stupid. You have to blow dry or curl them when you have curly hair or it looks stupid

>>10452985
h- how do clip-on bangs work? asking for a friend

>>10452991
just google it

>>10452084
I feel the need to promo Fallen Princess and Pearlie Cute. Really surprised I've never seen FP mentioned before.

>>10452928
There already are channels that do this??? Wtf???

>>10452989
my bad then, i guess, they still look weird. i have curly hair, and no you don't necessarily, they just need to dry in the right place. the hair is short enough that if you condition like, at all, it'll stay in place and not frizz up.

>>10452917
I disagree. I'd love to hear a good discussion or review on the dress itself. It's useful to compare to what the old dresses had with the new dresses. Worn pics can be included, but a lot of construction details can't be seen in worn photos only. Detail photos maybe, but it can be hard to tell what you're looking at.

>>10452605
it’s called a recommendation, numbskull.

Honestly I respect lor and really enjoy her older content but I think it would be a net positive if she quit youtube, or only uploaded very occasionally when she actually has something of substance. Her videos from the past year or so have clearly been lacking in passion and ideas, and are just so sloppily done. I wish instead of cutting herself off during editing every minute she’d take the time to actually make a script beforehand or something.
Also so many of her current videos are feeding information to newbies really poorly and I can’t help but feel she’s partially responsible for the perma-itas who develop bad attitudes towards any criticism that isn’t written like it’s for children.
I imagine it would also be beneficial to her mental health to quit. making and editing videos is hard work, even for people who are passionate. she talks about how youtube constantly suppresses her videos and i imagine that would mess with my head if I were in her position. She’d also get less of the unfair criticism if she’s out of the spotlight.
If she is to continue I’d like to see her talk about things she likes other than lolita, personally those are some of her videos I like best.

>>10452787
Lol I bet you do. AP is such shit that I wish I could buy it. Seems legit

>>10452150
This. 10000x this. Lolitas are animals online. Honestly, only those who don’t have a real life/ real job outside of Lolita would be willing to make themselves vulnerable like that, and that’s why a lot of content creators are so unstable.

My wardrobe dwarfs Tyler’s. I’ve collected every single bear that AP has ever released. I’ve got lots of old school and I’ve wanted to do comparisons between different eras of brand construction quality for ages. And I genuinely think it would be interesting content but I don’t think anyone’s in a good headspace to be subjected to the comments people make about anyone trying to become prominent or draw attention to themselves in Lolita fashion.

>>10453039
i completely agree. her content from around 2012-2015 is very nostalgic for me and is really representative of the western comm at the time. hell her shit lolita says videos were my gateway to the fashion. back then there was less pressure to make money off of youtube and she really was just doing it for fun

her newer content just doesnt make the mark for me. lots of pandering to newbies/itas trying to spare their feelings especially in the coordinate critique videos.

>>10452895
She put out an entire video about how AP is garbage this week but go of far I guess

>>10453039
The new lolitas in the comments of Rose’s new “why Taobao resellers are a ripoff video” absolutely heartbroken at the amount of money they wasted on devilinspired at the recommendation of Lor makes me livid. I genuinely did not care about her, but now I’m pissed. The fact that she shills them so hard while making NO attempt to explain shopping services in her non-sponsored content is so damaging.

Tbh I do think newbies would be better off if she quit.

>>10453039
I agree wholeheartedly. It feels like she exhausted all the good content ideas she had long ago.

These threads always talk about Lor or Tyler, but I'm waiting for gulls with taste to talk about Victorianme because I've waited half a year for a new video

>>10453081
She's great, I just wish she was more active.

>>10453081
>because I've waited half a year for a new video
You answered your own question

>>10453057
see this week's secrets. People can spend their money however they want to.

If you don't have the brain to go look up cheaper alternatives to these sites, you don't have the right to get butt hurt. It's not a secret that you can even buy direct from taobao these days, it's just people not doing their research.

>>10453100
These sites do have advantages. They are much more accessible, items are easy to search for, replicas are labeled, reservations are actually completed, there are reviews and quality control etc.

For newbies, I actually think this is better than braving the Taobao wilderness and hoping you don't come away with a lace monster or a print you didn't know was a replica.

What is your fav vid about lolita on youtube?

>>10453100
Generally I agree, but Lor specifically cultivates herself as a trustworthy source to newbies. It’s not everyone’s responsibility to hand hold newbs, but if you are going to label yourself as Queen of Handholding and make an entire channel on that I am going to be more critical of what info you are spreading.

>>10453100
that's literally the issue though lor is one of those resources. like other anons have said, lor markets herself as having done the research for new lolitas do they rely on her because they don't know any better.

>>10453016

That totally depends on how curly. In Tyler's case maybe but some people have tighter curls than others.

>>10453110

Lor even sort of addresses that she knows devilinspired is overpriced and all (I don't think she'd shop there if she didn't get the stuff for free) but basically tells people they can roast the company or mention shopping services in the comments implying she is just in it for the money and doesn't care if you use them or not.

>>10453121
She did 4 years ago. She doesn’t say anything like that now.

>>10453119
her hair isn't even curly, just wavy.

>>10453116
yeah but Taobao is literally one of the largest shopping sites in the world. It's not like this is some kind of industry secret. The quickest google search will give you like 200 options to buy direct on taobao. Lor has never acted like they're the only option.

There's lots to dislike about her, but imo this is not a valid point, especially given that a lot of newbs can't be trusted to navigate LaceMarket unattended, let alone a TaoBao SS.

>>10453126

She has mentioned in relatively recent vids about how the company knows they're expensive but basically haven't done much about it.

It was definitely much more recent than 4 years ago. Basically she has tried to hint from her fans that she is shilling them for money but has to be subtle so as not to piss off devilinspired and lose out on money but that isn't direct enough for it to not feel super dishonest to keep using devilinspired.

>>10453133
Actions speak louder than words.

If she actually cared about being a respectable influencer she would not shill them for a few bucks. She is just another cathycat.

>>10453166

That's what I said pretty much. She isn't being direct about how bad they are so she is misleading her fans.

>>10453171
How bad they are? Devil inspired isn't bad at all. They are more expensive, but their sevice is incredibly good by comparison to any SS I've ever used. Every time I've used them, I have a tracking number within days, and my items within about 2 weeks.

Not everybody is out here trying to pinch pennies when they go shopping. The time I save and potential headaches I avoid is well worth the markup for me.

>>10453133
That was a different shopping service, mylolitawardobe based on context clues iirc

>>10453166
"respectable influencer"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>10453176
They mark up between 80% and 250%.... How is that “not bad”

>>10453176

I have only ever had shit service and multiple month long wait times even for non preorder non custom items and they lied to me about tracking number and what shipping they used. Not worth the price when SS has their shit together far more.

>>10453177

Nah she specifically referred to Devilinspired acknowledging their ridiculously high prices at least twice in the last year.

>>10453180
Because they provide services you cheap shit lol

They pay to host and maintain an English accessible website that is well organized, and that keeps track of stock in real-time. They have a support team, a buyer, a developer etc. that all make the experience easier for non-Chinese buyers. All of these features cost money, so yeah, there's gonna be a markup.

That doesn't make them bad, that makes them a business.

>>10453180
Also literally AP USA and AP Paris mark up like crazy too. These foreign shops are just resellers too you know.

>>10453184

You sound like you work for them lol they're literally the worst most expensive reseller by multiple people's accounts when they ran the numbers.

>>10453132
i don't understand your point. if you agree that noobs can't be trusted to even use lm how tf are they supposed to figure out tb on their own? plus if you look up lolita taobao you get tons of shit from dropshippers like devilinspired or spreepicky.

>>10453187

Those shops have slight markups do to import tax and other reasons, not to scam people into paying hundreds for $20 fast fashion pieces.

>>10453184
There’s less markup on Etsy ffs

>>10453183
she def talks about it. why drag her for trying to make some side hustle cash on newbs?

Who cares. there's a whole ass internet out there they can learn from if they took 5 seconds to google it. there's plenty of other things to dislike about her.

>>10453187
>thinking making $20-$40 up on a $300 dress is the same as charging $300 for a $100 dress
Are you okay?

>>10453178
It's clearly what she wants, otherwise she wouldn't have ugly blubbered the way she did about not being included in an 'influencing' video.

Kinda ironic since leaving that in just makes her look like more of a joke.

>>10453184
are you talking about the same site? all of these shitty taobao resellers are just horrible chinese dropshippers that treat you like shit for buying into their scam.

>>10453184
I don’t fault devilinspired for existing, I fault lolitas who know damn well there’s no reason to use them for pushing them on newbs for quick cash

>>10453195

I'm not dragging her. I was saying that she does at least tell people they are super overpriced and basically let her fans give advice on better ways to buy taobao in the comments. Kind of lazy though and weird. Just take sponsorships from better resellers?

>>10453192
Go look up how much AP Paris charged for Milky Bear. Over twice the price of the Japan store, plus shipping. They don't do that big of a markup with every item, just the ones they know are super desirable.

>>10453203
It’s actually a 60% mark up which is very much the low end for Taobao resellers

>>10453200
I don't fault lolitas for preying on stupid people.

Maybe I'm just the broke bitch, but I googled the shit out of my options before buying lolita. Lor told them about this option and they jumped without looking around. sucks to suck. I'd never in a million years pay over around 50 for a TB dress.

If lor told them to jump off a cliff would they do that too?

>>10453203
Everyone knows the international franchisees of AP are low-grade scalpers. to be fair, the whole point is that they resell AP, so of course they will be pricier.

AP USA tried to charge me almost $20 shipping on a pair of effing socks. They upchage so much on shipping that I had a friend in SF operate as my SS lol

>>10453207

Probably since a lot of lolita newbs are actual children who aren't mentally developed enough to reason properly yet and will buy whatever their faves say is good.

Not exactly mad at Lor but she is being a little shady.

>>10453206
depends on the conversion rate, plus foreigners don't pay Japanese taxes, so it's a true double the price situation.

>>10453209
She's basically unemployed so a girl's gotta make cash somehow

>>10453210

But foreigners have issues using Tenso a lot of the time so they need SS to buy and the SS is usually not on a tourist visa, so must pay tax, charges extra fees (still lower than taobao resellers usually), and international shipping plus domestic so it evens out sometimes. AP Paris is ridiculous imo but AP USA doesn't upcharge that much when you take the other stuff into account.

>>10453210
I calculated the conversion rate for the time period. Even with taxes it’s not “double”

You’re just bad at math and saw the 1 in the hundreds place in one and a 2 in the hundreds place in the other and went “lol that’s double right”?

Also then we get to calculate taxes on devilinspired

>>10453208
AP USA can eat my ass. I'd rather use clobba and wear cheap taobao for the rest of my days than buy from them.

It's cheaper to by from my ss in Japan and pay international shipping and customs than buy from AP USA

>>10453214

Also for reference I'm American and don't live in California so taxes aren't calculated the same as an order within the same state I believe?

>>10453214
Where AP USA gets you is the shipping fees. Maybe it's just because I run an eBay business so I know how much shipping should cost but I find their shipping costs to be absurd.

>>10453215
I remember the 2019 release was 240 euros, and instead I bought it from a Chinese scalper on mercari and still saved a shit ton

>>10453220

I also feel like their shipping is overpriced; it's the same whether the item is large or small and far more than you'd expect for USPS. I wonder why they charge so much? Do they stock up on overpriced flat rate boxes and only use that one size? (All my AP USA orders all came in the same size USPS box regardless of if it was a dress or a headbow or socks)

>>10453214
AP paris is the worst

>>10453223

Their shipping to me in the US was abysmally slow and I already had to overpay to get something. I hate it.

>>10453176
I agree with you 100%
I’ve had nothing but good experiences and got my stuff fast. No shopping service, I didn’t have to wait months, and I don’t have to decipher google translate’s weird translations. But I’m not trying to pinch pennies, either. I only order from them because I have big feet and brand shoes are too small

>>10453227

Using SS isn't even difficult literally at all though? It is literally just copy pasting and you deal with more shipping options and less markups and better communicaiton imo cause DevilInspired's worst trait to me as someone who used to use them and what made me stop is their horrible customer service.

>>10453227
Would you seriously rather not spend ten minutes doing >>10453234 than have 2-3 more pairs of shoes for the same price?

>>10453227
samefag. there's no pinching pennies, it's just being overcharged.

>>10453234
Huh. I’ve never had issues with devil or clobba, but clobba worked out better for costs so I switched over.

Spree now lost a major package of mine and basically said I was Shit outta luck. Between that and the headache of trying to decipher taobao luck packs and reservation pricing I opted to just use clobba. I work over 60 hours a week. I ain’t got time to sort through shit.

>>10453239
Yeah but caring about over charging over saving time is the difference between being a penny pincher and not. One isn’t any better than the other.

I work really long hours and I’ve got the funds so resellers work better for me.

>>10453246
It's really not. Just buy from aliexpress if you are lazy.

>>10453246

The overcharging is so egregious though that you're wasting your time by wasting the money you worked long hours to earn.

>>10453234

The only SS I trust has a really hard time with reservations and at one point they weren't even doing them. Every order, they would fuck up either on a dress or accessory. So I stopped with them. I have the money to have people not fuck up my reservation.

Clobba's fees are actually on the reasonable side. I think when all is said and done it's still like 20% but way less than devil.

>>10453256

Yeah no one here hates resellers. Devilinspired is just one of the worst possible when you could use another better cheaper reseller.

>>10453258
they do got that sleek website tho

>>10453260
i don't want to pay a premium for a website.

>>10453057
What in teh world are you talking about? Where are these "heartbroken new lolitas" in the comments? A few people saying "eh I was gonna buy from them but now I'm not"? You're disingenuous as fuck and your attempt at stirring shit is really transparent.

>>10451932
pity me video - shaming her friends who can't invite her to something they were invited to themselves.
Pretty fucking toxic if you ask me.
And this is why you weren't invited Lor, it's always gottta be about you.

>>10453199
>treat you like shit
Isn't that just customer service in general? Anyway, I've had both good and bad experiences from all sides of the spectrum. I get contacted by resellers that tell me the item I ordered is out of stock and offered for me to choose something else while throwing in free stockings of my choice, and I've had resellers never contact me and then after I contact them months later they tell me something was out of stock and sorry no one told me. I feel it just comes with any customer service U.S. or otherwise. Everything else, I agree with, they do markup pretty damn high.

>>10453275
Different anon, but I saw the comments she's talking about. They're along the lines of "Wow, I wish I knew about this before I bought my dresses"

>>10453289
>Isn't that just customer service in general?
not necessarily no. a lot of these resellers tend to be bad because they are already being kind of shady. ss tend to bend over backwards for you because they have so much competition.

>>10453297
Well, like I said, I've had ups and downs with both at the same rate I've had ups and downs with general customer service in america. I think the experience differs if you constantly use the service vs only doing it once in a while, and the one or two bad times outweigh the 4 times.

>>10452605
She was an active ny lolita who either got tired of making videos, wearing lolita or both. Which sucks bc her content was pretty good and she wasn't annoying or drama related.

>>10453006
yes? and? there's not one channel that owns every dress ever released, so why would I say no to anon adding a new channel if I like that type of content?

>>10453291
I mean, the comments are public. I went through all the comments. There's two:

1)'sweating in "wish I had known all this info earlier""'

and in response

2) "Same, currently waiting for an order from devil inspired and now I want to cry "

The rest are either talking about bad experiences irrelevant to the markup (one long comment about bad customer service) and then the comment I mentioned where they said that they were going to buy something but decided not to do so.

Yet >>10453057 is trying to paint it like there's 'ohh just all these poor little newbies in the comments heartbroken and despondent and all because of Lor, who should totally stop making videos because of this btw lol idk just throwing that out..............'

>>10452737
nta but anyone who reviews taobao brands without being devilinspired shills? i'd love some honest reviews on the quality

>>10453332
I'd tell you, but apparently naming other lolita blogs counts as "shilling."

>>10453336

They referred to specifically shilling devilinspired (as in clearly sponsored by them) and they may not even be the anon who was upset about naming blogs.

this thread is a mess
>shilling DI
>defending lor
>screeching at anyone posting little known lolita vloggers

>>10453107
I love the one about AP lucky packs by Pearlie Cute

>>10453275
She's gotta selfpost somewhere

Are there any particular lolitas you all wished did YouTube?

>>10453344

I really like Pearlie Cute! I haven't seen any of her yt content but I follow her on insta and love her and her friend (gf?) That she coords with a lot!

>>10453348
chinese lolitas. i'm very curious about them

>>10453238
Yes. I’m lazy and loaded

>>10453354
Same

>>10453349
yess her ig and youtube is very cute. loved her girlyhoot/lace video and her recent one about modesty in lolita

>>10453352
China doesn't allow YT. Too much free speech.

I don't mean to be a racist (I'm Taiwanese) but when I lived in Japan, Chinese lolitas would show up in groups to scalp major releases, and would constantly and obviously disregard shop policies, then sell them on QQ for like 3 times the price. They cause a lot of issues, which is why AP started checking passports and restricting the use of the same credit card multiple times.

There was also this whole drama about several well-known girls selling the most convincing replica of dream marine on mercari. They got them from a replica maker on QQ that includes AP tags, the fabric swatch and everything. I don't buy any brand from China because of how good some of these replicas are now.

>>10453373
there are tons of mainlanders on yt.

>>10453373
Maybe it's because I'm American, but every time someone brings up complaints about Chinese people on here, I'm just like "is that it?" Americans fucking trample each other to death during sales, among so much other horrible shit. So this minimally rude stuff just makes me go "meh."

>>10453385
>tfw literal third worlders behave themselves better than you
This empire is dead.

>>10453349
I like her content, but I really hate her accent. I wish she wasn't British.

>>10453415
China isn't a third world country. It's second world. Third world is like starving african tribes.

>>10453417

She is cute and usually I don't hate British accents but I think the particular accent combined with her (slightly forced seeming) enthusiasm in her videos makes her come across as the "dumb" sounding kind of British.

She is super cute and sweet though and her content isn't bad at all. I'm excited for her to hopefully grow and be able to have higher production quality or different interesting videos as her channel evolves!

>>10453425

First, second, and third world used to refer to capitalist, communist, and anything in between respectively. Third world countries tended to be in times of transition and thus were equated with 'underdeveloped' or 'developing countries (eg Eastern Europe that wasn't under the USSR during the cold war). Hence, why 'third world' is equated with 'poor' these days.

In any case, China is neither anymore, it's more like capitalist authoritarian rule at this point if anything.

>>10453349
She's full of irrelevant content. Didn't she make a video about Lace and Kawaii Pateen years after they were relevant? lmao

Also like other anons said - her accent is grating

>>10453492
She may not be for everyone, but I like her.

What ever happened to that super Carly 64 woman who used to make fun of Venus?

>>10452215
I agree with you whole-heartedly anon. Covid gave me time to self reflect and t b h it made me realize just how incredibly toxic SO comm has been.

>>10453302
What are you talking about, she literally uploaded a video 2 days ago?

>>10453521
i asked maybe a year or more ago on one of her videos if she was still wearing lolita, and she said no unfortunately.
Miss her and her content desu

>>10453001
I Kinda love Pearlie Cute's content, however I wish she would tone down the random laughing mid sentence, it is tiring. Edit that shit out! Her content is amazing otherwise

>>10453352
One of my favorite chinese youtubers is https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrnoV4L2lEwbkblxcGGrV3w as she does lot of extensive reviews, but she's also a furry (surprisingly a lot of chinese lolitas are and get fursuit from $$$ japanese makers at that??).

>>10453492
the only people that thought the lace video was "irrelevant" were k8 and pixie stans

>>10453572
I despise k8 with every fiber of my being but even I could recognize that her video was just an attempt to rehash old drama for attention.

K8 is poo. So you shouldn’t keep stepping in it just to lead a trail to your channel. Especially given how old that drama is.

The truth is she wanted the attention of drawing in k8 drama but didn’t have balls to cover any of the recent, more pertinent and more contentious aspects of k8s bs. Low hanging fruit hangs low.

>>10453529
She wasn't a very good one anyway

>>10453591
Lace was from six years ago and the video was made a month ago. Yes, it's irrelevant now

>>10453611
I meant to reply to
>>10453572

>>10453492
not everyone was around for that. sometimes people wonder why this thing that was hugely popular suddenly isn't anymore, and it's not wrong to simply explain that

>>10453614
Why explain it six years later? There's zero point and she left out a ton of k-8s BS

>>10453348
I wish a guy did an ouji channel =(

>>10453633
there's lou graves

>>10453187
>t. Someone who has never bought from AP Paris or USA before
Just say you're a newbie who can't cope with the fact that DI isn't that great and go

>>10453206
France has a 20% sales tax so Paris is only getting 40% from that. Keeping a physical store in one of the most expensive areas in Paris is much more pricy than muh English website hosting. Which AP Paris is also doing, on top of great customer service. And since I live in Yurop, if customs were to hit me for an AP dress straight out of Japan, I'd have to pay way above Paris retail for the same thing. On top of all that, their website doesn't crash during bloodbaths and they even get extra stock of popular releases sometimes after the initial reservation period.

>>10453665
They said a guy

>>10453666
If you’re in Europe it’s a better option. But for me in the USA even the service was pretty bad imo. Shipping was expensive af, slow af, and they sent the wrong socks lol. Maybe I got a bad day, but for that price it wasn’t something I’d try again.

AP Paris gets more items than AP USA though. AP USA literally just gets whatever doesn’t sell out in japan lol

>>10453675
I’m an ouji (a guy) and I’ve considered doing a YouTube channel for a while. There’s a real opening there, and I think more visible men in the fashion could really grow the community because there’s a lot of men and masc folks who like the aesthetic but don’t want to wear dresses. No offense to those folks who do.

But it seems like a lot of work just to get clapped on the ass by the community when they invariably get tired of you or don’t like something you made. Plus even if every Lolita on YouTube subscribed I don’t think there would be enough fan insulation to make it worth it for me to put in that kind of effort. Everyone complains about the lack of content but making YouTube videos and building a channel is actually really demanding. I have a friend who has 3m subs on YT and it is beyond a full time job, especially in the early phase. I had decided that I’d really like the fashion to be strictly something I do for enjoyment when I actually have the time, not something I feel pressured to make content for or that I might draw a lot of criticism for.

>>10453729
Yeah people criticize before they even consider the amount of work that goes into maintaining a YouTube channel.

I don’t like lor or her content. But I can respect the fact that she puts a lot of energy into what she does, even if it doesn’t really do anything for me.

>>10453081
Just learn chinese and watch her on bilibili. It's simple anon-chan. Fr though, I get why she doesn't bother to post english videos anymore. It's a lot of work to translate/write a script in English for only a few hundred views.

>>10453107
I really love some of the ancient ones from Fille De Porcelaine. I was obsessed with her videos when I was a high school lolita at heart an her videos are so nostalgic. She's set a lot of her videos to private, but her lolita transformation videos are still up and are really cute.

>>10453729
I mean, if you have nice looking outfits, I don't think you would get too much shit. Men in female dominated hobbies that put in minimal amounts of effort are guaranteed asspats, so I wouldn't let lolitas cattiness scare you off. It is definitely a high effort/reward ratio though, you're right about that.

>>10453373
If the replica is that good, there's a chance it's illegal factory overstock. While morally wrong it's still AP, so, deals?

>>10454210
This is the stupidest thing. I have no idea where people keep getting this idea.

1. Even if they’re over/dead stock (which I don’t believe for a second) if they’re not approved for sale by ap, then it’s still a replica. This usually means the item failed qc. So it actually does hurt the brand when lower quality items go out as legit.

2. Why is it that there’s only ever “dead stock” for extremely popular releases with great resale value? It’s pretty damn coincidental that the alleged dead stock is only highly desirable items like misty sky and dream marine etc. it’s almost as if someone is intentionally trying to make money off of them... where’s the “dead stock” for all the items in the clearance bin at AP rn?