/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Made an order on lolita collective, 4 out of the 6 things I bought were damaged. The gloves I got didn't match the stock photos. The rings were rusted, the fuzzy rings were brown and stained and hairy,and the star clips had stains on the glitter that won't come out. Also, one of the accessories is literally a daiso baby hairclip with the tulle taken off and upsold. I contacted the owner and she said, "do you want a replacement?" And I told her no, I need a refund, and she never replied... $80 bucks down the drain and their shipping is $30?? Why do they ship in separate boxes? It's so wasteful. And I didn't get one of the packages until 2 months after I ordered. Not impressed.

Made an order on lolita collective, 4 out of the 6 things I bought were damaged. The gloves I got didn't match the stock photos. The rings were rusted, the fuzzy rings were brown and stained and hair on them, nd the star clips had stains on the glitter that won't come out. Also, one of the accessories is literally a daiso baby hairclip with the tulle taken off and upsold. I contacted the owner and she said, "do you want a replacement?" And I told her no, I need a refund, and she never replied... $80 bucks down the drain and their shipping is $30?? Why do they ship in separate boxes? It's so wasteful. And I didn't get one of the packages until 2 months after I ordered. Not impressed.

>>10540393
I ordered from CTP via them and the bow ring I bought broke when I tried it on

Does anyone here truly like CCF? I see people outside of here raving about them but then I see most gulls say that they’re overpriced for the quality you get

>>10540410
I have one of their bag pre orders and I really like it. I can’t say anything about their shoes

>>10540410
Haven't worn it but my comm did an order and I saw their products IRL. Shoes look like shit, bags look worth the price

>>10540381
Notbing new to add beyond BB&B continues to impress

>>10540410
Same as the others; I have had 2of their bags and one pair of shoes (one because the shoes were trash). Bags are good, shoes are medicore to trash for the price unless you maybe need a really specific color (I find good lavenders are hard to find from taobao brands or on ali, etc. but I really don't like CCF shoes even then)

>>10540410
I have 2 pairs of shoes I bought 4 years ago- they have held up well and are comfortable. I wish the toe area was more enforced and the scallops. I bought a new pair and a bag this year, and I am happy with both. I don't own any from Sosic or Antaina yet, for comparison.

>>10540410
i got 2 pairs of shoes this year and i like them, pretty comfortable imo

>>10540444
An*tai*na is 100x nicer

I like to be honest and note that there is proof of me dressed as a duck in this

check this out

Its fun
https://youtu.be/Kga6yKyUmYs

>>10540393
I’m surprised more people don’t complain about them. They sent me a dress with thread pulls throughout and the matching socks never arrived. Took them nearly three weeks to ship my order. I have no idea how they stay in business.

>>10540448
CCF would be nicer if they weren't overpriced. Thats about it

>>10540451
It’s probably because Lolita collective is pretty well known to be incredibly aggressive and influential in many convention circles. They’re super shitty to their partners ( which is why they only have partners that nobody wants to buy from) and a lot of the stuff they sell is just taobao crap at a 10x markup. Oh and they don’t pay anyone who works for them in the dealers room.

>>10540393
That ring is disgusting. Doesn’t Lolita collective claim to only sell new merchandise?

>>10540452
Nah senpai, CCF is just straight up worse quality than antaina

>>10540381
I've bought from ccf. Bought a pink and blue pair; both nice quality. Same as Antaina but more expensive in my opinion. Not worth buying from if u live in the US. Customs fucking thinks my package carries drugs every time i bought from them or melikestea and always damages the goods inside. I bought a heart bag from ccf; ok quality but too expensive shipping wise. I rather buy brand for that price. Also, again, customs ripped up my package and duct taped it like it was a post rape victim. I sold the heart bag bc i was just tired of being reminded of how awful the packages are treated.

Reposting since last thread hit bump limit: not sure if it counts as an indie brand, but how is the fabric/construction quality for Glitter Tale? All I've heard about them is that they take a while to fulfill orders, which I don't particularly mind.

>>10540410
Mine are basically uncomfortable plastic garbage and their sizing is all over the place. My bag is ok, but not worth $100 when taobao bags are the same or better quality for half the price.

>>10540393
>And I told her no, I need a refund, and she never replied

This was my experience and I never heard back. I bought some wristcuffs from them for $30 at a con and liked them, but I found them later on taobao for like $3-4. I was under the impression that they were made by one of their independent collaborators, not just shilled from fucking taobao. Very annoying and misleading.

>>10540524
They rip a lot of designs from v castle, which is like a third of the price. Just sayin.

>>10540381

old Huelita here. Owner owns replicas and conceals the fact for gringos and thus I never supported them. They make it on cheap sweatshops on my country and you'd better pay for taobao for the stupid price they ask.

>>10540549
I mean I assumed

>>10540381
I used to think that people were just stretching the shoes as their feet were too wide or big, but I've noticed all CCF shoes flair outwards. There seems to be little to no shape as far as the sides are concerned. Still 80$ for a pair including shipping. Idk how anyone pays for these. I think it's because they are shilled so hard.

>>10540525
Lolita collective is really just a collection of taobao scalpers and shitty designers that spend their days on insta demanding you support small businesses and buy their terribly made crap.

>>10540562
100% its the shilling. No seems to remember but they were put on the map for making gimicky shit like holo teaparties and then got a few influencers to shill them to permaitas. they are nothing worthwhile

>>10540549
I also dislike CCF, but I've never seen anything about the owner owning replicas. She has worn lolita maybe 4 or 5 times in the course of the years, so what are you going on about, anon?

>>10540549
Proof/sauce on the replicas anon??

are there any alternatives to CCF for holographic lolita shoes? i just keep hearing things like >>10540410 is talking about

anyone here who has these specific shoes??

>>10540754
no, there are not alternatives because not to be bitchy but they are ita

>>10540754
Tbh anon I don’t think I’ve ever seen these shoes paired well with anything lolita. But if you really want them I’ve seen them go on LM every so often. Might just need to keep an eye out

>>10540754
Several brands sell holo shoes on Taobao in flats and heels. >>10540770 has a stick up their ass and is lying

>>10540784
i have search alerts set up for them and have for a year or two--think i've seen only one pair in my size and it was virtually the same price as just buying direct from ccf

>>10540805
where are you seeing these? i have found holographic mary jane shoes on taobao and aliexpress, but nothing like this that's styled like a tea party shoe with bows on top and back or with scallops.

i'm surprised more western brands didn't cash in on the holo trend

>>10540784
Test

>>10540839
Have you tried reverse image searching?

>>10540519
Fabric is ok. Construction is meh, custom sizing is atrocious. Should've stuck to the standard size, wanted a better fit and instead it looks like shit on me

>>10540888
I will never understand why any of these indie brands do “custom” sizing. It’s a logistical and cost nightmare, plus if someone gets a custom fit and it’s not perfectly fitted, they are gonna be much more pissed than if a regular garment doesn’t fit quite right.

If they were really concerned about plus size people, why not use a cut similar to those meta and baby dresses that go from 70-130 cm? I guess that would involve investing a decent amount of money into the tech pack/fabrics and you know for a $200 dress apparently you can’t have that.

>>10540519
Ordered a JSK from them. I originally placed my order around the ending of Feb 2020. When I first asked, they said that it would take around 25-35 days to make. Because of covid restrictions where they're based that became way longer of course. I was pretty understanding but I made sure to check in once in a while and they were pretty good with communication. Dress was ready by April but I didnt get it until June again because of covid.

Do I think it would have taken that long without covid? Maybe, maybe not as a lot. I will disclose that they did request I pay an additional $10 for shipping as the shipping fee was increased on their end, again because of covid. I believe before the shipping was included in the cost. Maybe I was taken for a bit of a ride but at that time I just wanted my shit lol.

For construction, everything looks good. No stray threads, wonky measurements etc. I had a friend of mine look it over as she's a seamstress and she was pretty pleased with it so that reassured me. One thing is that it came with these heart pockets in the front. In the pics they looks decently sized but are actually pretty small irl. Just big enough for chapstick or a keycard.

Would I order from them again? Probably but not in the near future.

I'm glad people are finally calling out Ota-Q on her bullshit in social media reviews, she's been not fulfilling any orders since june 2020 while going on fancy holidays.

>>10540919

I can't believe some people in the last thread were STILL trying to defend her.

>>10540970
I didn't see anyone defending her last thread, though most of it was people upset with VF

>>10540880
thank you anon!! can't believe i didn't think of that.

>>10540549
>They make it on cheap sweatshops on my country and you'd better pay for taobao for the stupid price they ask.
I've only been collecting pieces for 3 or 4 years as a huelita and somehow this doesn't surprise me. 500~ Real for a bag seems kind of overkill, you can get JP brand secondhand or taobao for cheaper even including shipping. Maybe the price makes sense if you're a gringo, but I don't get it otherwise. It doesn't make me happy at all to shit on the already small lolita scene here, but CCF needs to try harder. I can see the appeal of melikestea, but not CCF.

>>10541066
>>They make it on cheap sweatshops
at this point this is just speculation. There's no proof on that and you can see that >>10540549
is just trying to shit on ccf

>>10541079
anon, it's brazil. think for a moment.

>>10541079
You're so well versed in the brazilian lolita community and its purchasing do's or dont's anon, tell me more. My malnourished third worlder brain can't comprehend you.

>>10540650
>>10540711

As >>10541066 pointed, the lolita community is small, and proof would make it easy to figure out who am I so I’ll refrain from outing myself. Anyway, the warning has been given, is up to you to believe or not. You just need at least one brain cell to connect the fact that is made on sweatshops in Brazil tho. Regarding the claims I’m shitting on creators in my country, I like melikestea who does an excellent and consistent work during the years.

>>10541079

Hope you got free ita shoes for white knighting at least!

>>10541087
I'm also Brazilian, you salty walnut.
As long as there is no proof it is what it is: speculation. We have many national shoe brands here that are not made on sweatshops, even that shitty quality GB isn't made by this kind of industry.

Bring source and proof or fuck off with your vendetta

>>10540549
not even Brazilian but also interested on sauce for both claims. I have some bags from them and the quality is average, but I'm not keen on supporting the brand if that's the case

>>10541088
> the lolita community is small, and proof would make it easy to figure out who am I
you don't need to out yourself to provide proof, anon. also, how small is this comm of yours?

>>10540549
I'd believe it, there's basically 0 quality control and they feel like payless shoes

>>10541102
Jeez. That attachment of the straps is something else. Can you feel it as you walk?

>>10541102
payless is at least visibly constructed to some kind of standard.

>>10541089
Oh I see, that I understand then. I was more talking about how there's no sense to buy from CCF if you're a huelita but maybe that's just me. Also thanks for the heads-up about GB's shoes being garbage, bags look okay from just what I've seen but the shoes irked me. I'm not sure why, they just did.
>>10541102
>scratched out number
>number taped over
Did you do that orr? I've never seen that on a shoe. Is that just something shoe makes do when they get the number wrong on a shoe?

>>10541122
Brazilians don't buy from CCF mainly because the new prices aren't in tune with our financial reality. Unless you need very specific colors or huge sizes, it's better to go straight to Bodyline or other normie brands and embrace DIY. For sweetfags, however, there isn't many choices out there. GB is very limited, the quality of the shoes is worse than CCF's, the prices are not that inclusive and people are not willing to risk their hard earned money with a brand that scammed many buyers in the past during one of the national meetings, me included.


since moving abroad I've noticed how the Brazilian comm insists on supporting their friend's brands blindly, ignoring their problems and making every single negative feedback sound like a personal attack

Both owners of CCF and GB have made many enemies in the community, so whatever claims people bring without proof should be taken with a grain of salt.

and as misery loves company, importing is ridiculously expensive with or latest exchange values. So people either buy one expensive pair of shoes that is easy to coord with everything else, or they just stick to normie brands and second hand market.


>>10541094
>how small is this comm of yours?
it's not small, but it's easy to identify people based on what they have bought since not many people buy things new.

>>10541079
the shoes are clearly factory made and at those prices i doubt they are paying a living wage. put two and two together dumb dumb

>>10541126
I know CCF but what brand is GM?

>>10540519
This poster >>10527255 bought a dress in the post thread

>>10541122
This is exactly how I received them. They must have attached the wrong soles or ran out of the correct ones and decided to just do this instead.
>>10541103
It's a little noticeable, since they're thin. Not too bad once socks are on. Still, not $75 + shipping quality.

>>10540919
By fancy holidays, you mean letting k8 fly over to hang out in her uwu kawiwi house in the middle of a pandemic?

Thoughts on Anna House blouses?

>>10541630
I only own 1 myself but I've seen a few in person as well. Extremely comfortable and my blouse has lasted me almost a decade now. Can't say for anything new they've produced, though.

>>10541630
Anna House in general is I think extremely underrated. I sing their praises.

probably an ita question but it's been a while: Is there a "master list" available maybe in a google doc of updated indie brands? Not even for just lolita- I'm looking for cute accessories and I'm so done with Etsy. In the old days I remember a list like this on a website

>>10540410
can't speak on CCF shoes, but I do own the bubble heart 3-way bag in pink. It is one of my favorite bags but its not perfect.

Pros-
-Beautiful shade of pink
-Giant bag with lots of space
-love being able to use it as a hand bag or a back pack
-very striking and eye catching piece and looks really good with almost any pink OTT coord

Cons
- All of the edges of the ruffles are raw, for better use of a word. They don't have a sealed edge that I'm used to purses having. which gives me anxiety that they may become more easily damaged
- The pleather seems to crease and fold really easily, which also might lead to cracking and peeling eventually
-since the bag is so heavy, you HAVE to hang it or lay it on its back to the weight doesn't bend the pleather ruffles and damage them

I have only had it for half a year, and with covid I don't go out in coords as often as I did, so I guess only time will tell how sturdy the bag is and how well it will keep up, but so far its still in perfect condition.

>>10541818
I love the bubble heart bag as well though I find it works best as a backpack cause when I try to wear it in the shoulder or handbag orientation it feels disproportionately huge compared to my usual heart bags. I think the CCF bags are miles better than their shoes.

>>10541630
I had a few of their blouses until I grew out of them. Honestly great quality, especially for basics. I can't speak to anything brand new from them since it's been years, but Anna House provided me with one of my first coords and I wore the blouse until I didn't fit anymore, but it still looked brand new.

Can we post indie brands reviews for other types of jfash? I recently received this fairy kei castle cardigan from a brand called Incontrolclothing. I heard good things about them and the product photo was so cute, but this is what I received. The colors are completely off. Its dull and almost grey in person not to mention it has glaring print errors, and it just overall looks like a bootleg of the thing its supposed to be. I complained to them and they never replied, but they did discreetly refund my money even though their return policy states that they only do store credit returns. They didn't even ask me to send it back.

>>10541822
Weird, I bought mine a year or two ago and it's almost just like the photo with none of the issues you described. Seems like they restocked or rereleased it with cheaper shittier production methods or something?

One of the original Lady Sloth anons from a while ago here just to give a quick update. I'm glad these threads are still going.

I placed an order with them back in September. By December I still hadn't heard anything about the status of my order. When I'd placed my order initially their website had said they shipped out orders in a few weeks but at some point they updated that to say something like 6-8 weeks. Some of my items were intended for winter wear (long sleeved blouses for example) so when I placed my order in September I assumed I'd be getting them in time to wear them.

One of the items in my order was the Spirit Board preorder thing. When I placed the order they'd listed an estimated arrival date in October or November iirc.

I sent them a message in December asking about my order, since at that point it had been 12+ weeks since I'd placed it. I understand they were dealing with Covid and whatnot, but I expected some level of communication when orders were taking so much longer than advertised.

They replied back about a week later saying that Spirit Board orders would ship after Christmas. (Though, they didn't say anything like "the rest of your order is completed" or anything like that so for all I know they haven't even started on it, OTL.) Obviously it's late January now and I still haven't heard anything about my order shipping out. So technically yes, it's "after Christmas" but I'd assumed that meant shipping it early January after the holidays, not "just in time for summer!"

If my order ever arrives I'll be sure to update you guys on the quality and construction.

>>10541834
It was a re-release since I missed the first one, It was a pre-order too, so I had been waiting for it since November. I was so disappointed when I finally saw it.

>>10541842
Aww, sad to know they cheaped out on it when it was preorder so finances shouldn't have been an issue to keep the same quality. Unless the factory fucked them over and they let it happen and didn't correct it.

>>10541843
I have to wonder if everyone who pre-ordered got this new crappy version and their customer email was flooded so they just started issuing refunds to try and damage control.

>>10541822
Geez even the fabric is different. The bit with the buttons is not ribbed as advertised. Very very strange.

>>10541839
I preordered the spirit board JSK also. I'm pretty sure I saw an update on instagram recently about them shipping out soon. I don't know their production process obviously, but with indie brands it seems like they always underestimate the time it takes to make things and so I always expect things 3 months late lmao

>>10540393
If that fuzzy bunny is what I think it is, you can buy those from my local craft store in a baggy for like 3 dollars. They probably just glued them to some ring bases.

>>10541839
I'm pretty sure lady sloth always said spirit board would be done in January. her whole team got covid, so that is why things are late right now. her communication sucks regardless but I feel this is excusable

>>10540519
I ordered 3 blouses from them in 2019 before covid made things go to shit and they still took a couple of months longer than they said they were going to. I will say I had a similar experience as >>10540888 with the custom sizing. The construction and materials look nice but they ended up very baggy looking on me. The sleeves look ridiculous because they made them so large width-wise. I guess they maybe assumed I measured my arm width wrong or something and that I really was fatter because I had bigger tits? idk.

>>10541900
I’m pretty sure most custom sizing is not actually custom. I think they just use it to select a size for you and/or scale up the pattern. I think it’s pretty rare for it to be fully custom, as the cost would be astronomical to recut the pattern for someone who has a huge chest but isn’t a whale.

>>10541895
They can’t keep/get any decent collaborators so 90% of the shit you can get on lolita collective is cheap ass hobby lobby level crap, or price gauged taobao.

>>10541910
Patterning isn't that hard, are you stupid?

>>10541910
An FBA really shouldn't be astronomical in cost. It just takes a bit of time to do.

How is the quality of Lady Sloth jewelry? Some of it is quite cute and I wanna know if it’s worth it.

>>10541630
I bought one of my first coords from AH 12/13 years ago before I switched to japanese brands only. The quality of the materials was great and even the pettycoat lasted a few years. Not sure how it is now tho...

>>10541943
The first lolita item I ever bought online was an AH petticoat that was literally just a strip of ungathered tulle sewn haphazardly to a short cotton tube with elastic on one side. It looked like babby’s first handmade petti and had zero poof whatsoever. It made me never want to buy from them again (especially because I was like 14 and had to beg my dad to do it) but now I’m wondering if I just got a weird dud and they’re otherwise fine.

>>10541942
I have some of their plastic jewelry and the quality is alright for the price. However, I was quite surprised how long it took them to ship my order with just jewelry.

Any decent RRM reviews that aren’t just blinded by old school aesthetics and think everything is amazing?

Does anyone have any recommendations for sweet jewelry, similar to AP-style? I’m eyeing Dolly House so far but I’m wondering if there’s any other good shops I’m missing out on.

>>10542032
Dreamy planet on taobao

>>10541942
I've handled some of their jewellery, it's pretty sturdy.

>>10542004
Sounds like you are looking for someone to rip into them which isn't much better than what you described. Just don't buy them if you are so sure they suck

>>10542032
I've had good experiences with moonbunny jewelry on etsy

>>10542004
There’s plenty of reviews in the archives that, from the way your post is worded, you’ve already seen.

>>10542060
I’m not “sure they suck”, I just want to read a decent review that isn’t just... endless gushing about how it’s so nice to have ~accessible old school~. I’m having a hard time finding anybody actually discussing the garment construction, and when I do see comments on it, there’s always a lot of conflicting commentary.

Anyone have experiences with NyaNya they'd like to share? I'm about to buy a dress and overdress from them.

>>10540410

I enjoyed the pairs I got recently, so idk.

>>10542723
Which did you get and which color? Was it worth the high price and shipping?

>>10542726

I got the bat/halloween ones in all black and another pair in all black, shipping was worth it imo since it took pretty quick for an out of country order. I also ordered their matching bat briefcase and a heart bag. it reminds me of when clobba had Custom House shoes, or taobao purses. Would I buy more pairs? Sure but their choices are basic, but I like that I can get a color with a shoe that isn't even listed.

Has anyone had experience with Peacockalorum on etsy? I've been thinking about getting pic rel from them in either the wine or ivy colorway

>>10543211
I had bad experience with them and if I remember right some others in the old thread too

>>10543211
They can't even make nice looking wrist cuffs. I wouldn't.

>>10543211
I asked her a question via Etsy's message system over a month ago and she never got back to me.

I have a pair of wrist cuffs I got via LM that are from Peacockalorum and they're are really loose, and don't stay put.

What's the quality like on Angelic Imprint shoes?

>>10544500
Not bad, I bought a second hand never worn pair and wore them often. Comfy and durable, will pick up another pair at some point.

>>10544500
They're somewhere in-between antaina and the old secret shop in quality. I have no complaints for the price.

What apps do people use to edit their coord photos in?
>>10544500
No complaints for the price, they're pretty good. I use mine often and they're comfortable to walk in.

>>10545142
>What apps do people use to edit their coord photos in?
I don't know why my dumbass forgot what this thread is about. Time to ask in the right thread

>>10544500
Considering that even brand shops resell them nowadays, they are fine.

>>10540400
me too! And superglue won't even hold, I might have to break out the rubber cement.

>>10546536
Has anybody had a great experience with Lolita collective? I only know two people who’ve bought from them and one had a hairy otk and the other a damaged item. Both had slow af shipping. I was thinking of buying some of their wristcuffs or something for a valentines gift but I’ll probably just get something from bbandb.

>>10546591
Just get something from bbb anon.

>>10546591
I didn't have a great time with them, everything came extremely slow, the final set of things didn't come until 3 months after ordering and one of the items in that shipment was not what I ordered.

>>10546591
>>10546594
The previous indie review thread didn't have great reviews for BB&B, either...

>>10546591
Perhaps if you find something on there you like, you can buy it from the original vendor's site.

>>10546591
2 times I ordered from them they forgot about my order and when I emailed them to ask the status 1 or 2 months later, they sold out of the products I wanted to buy and refunded me. So basically they took the items I had bought, sold it to someone else, and let me stay in limbo until I reached out first.

I ordered a ring last Black Friday and got it and it was fine though. Don't really know what's going on with them under the hood, heard they were breaking up/stopping business multiple times over the past few years yet here they are, still running.

>>10546697

2 MONTHS? Damn I was considering trying to sell things through them but I'm not sure I want to be associated with it after the things I've heard in these threads...

>>10543211
I’ve bought two underskirts from them and it was fine.

>>10546614
Yeah. Don't get anything from BB&B. Their shitty customer service is the absolute worst and I am not going to stay silent as people continue to give them business they don't deserve. The fact that they just ban anyone who tries to call them out is ridiculous too.

has anyone bought from cruel arcadia (a kr indie brand)? hows the quality? and do you need an SS?

>>10546848
They’re phenomenal, 10/10 buy from them. Materials and construction are on par with the best of Victorian Maiden, customer service is great and you can buy direct, just need to email them.

>>10546616
I second this.
If you buy from the original vendor site, they don't lose out on commission.

>>10546697
How on earth are they still in business?

>>10546813
I’ve had two orders from bb&b. I can’t speak for their service, but I will say that their quality is really great.

I’ve heard rumors that they’re really aggressive with customer complaints. Any one wanna share some sauce?

>>10546884
It was discussed in the last thread
>https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/10515636/#10515685

>>10546858
thank you, that's awesome! ive been wanting a cape of theirs that looks lovely

>>10546848
Definite recommendation from me as well. I didn’t buy directly from them, but the set (OP + headpiece) I got second hand was divine.

>>10546892
I’m pretty sure that’s just one butthurt anon leaping as different people. I’ve ordered from them numerous times and never had a problem.

>>10546848
>>10546858
This is sort of a dumb question I guess, but whenever I look on their site everything says 'closed' which I assume means they take limited preorders for each run and that's it? They don't have anywhere to buy ready-stock then, right?

>>10547178
There were too many across different parts of the thread for me to feel like it's one person.

>>10547180
I think they make to order but I’m not sure.

>>10547181
Yeah but of all the people I know irl who buy from them, none of them have ever had an issue. It just says a lot when the only people complaining about them do so anonymously on cgl.

So I saw this JSK by Starry Frills weeks ago and while I like it, the more I look at it, the more it looks like a knockoff of Toy Parade

Any thoughts?

>>10547519
looks cute to me, i wish the... foxes? were cats or something, they look too much like pokemon

>>10547519
Definitely a knockoff AP toy print kinda thing. It is cute and the construction seemed fine but I don't personally like the animal proportions.

>>10547544
they look like furshit.

>>10543211
I bought one of her big hats and I love it, but her wristcuffs are just the cheapest lace you could find

>>10547180
Correct, everything is MTO with them but if you email they may have some extras they can sell- they’ve done this for me before.

>>10547548
>>10547519

To be fair, any sweet print remotely like this one would look like toy parade if you squint. It just looks generically sweet imho. I'd buy it if it was for sale, but it looks like all she does are accessories, and she doesn't even have a proper shop at the moment.

>>10547616
I just saw a post saying she had opened preorders for this piece actually.

>>10547519
i mean yeah but i think a lot of people, myself included, were put off by toy parade even at the height of ap sweet because toy-heavy prints in pastels have ageplay connotations. can't say that weirdly anthropomorphic animals are any huge step up from that but it IS a step and will probably appeal to people who were uncomfortable with the ageplay connotation that toy parade had for them. there's a market for sure

Has anyone heard back from Mossbadger?
I pre-ordered the chiropteran garden dress in November but haven't received any updates since.

I got a Melikestea voile petti a while back. Even though it's pretty, poofy as all hell, and seems to be well designed and sewn...the fabric is basically tissue paper? I was expecting cotton voile, but this is synthetic and just tears constantly. If I adjust my skirt while wearing it, it tears. If I get it underfoot at all while taking it off or putting it on, it will tear even if I'm being very careful.

They seem like really popular pettis and everyone likes this, did I just get a fluke? Should I have gotten organza instead?

>>10547624
Anthropomorphic animals are not that far off from anthropomorphic/just animated stuffed animals imo so toy prints are better

>>10547624
Remember when everyone shit on dreamy baby room owners lmao?

>>10547624
Ngl this looks like it was made for ageplayers.

>>10547519
I personally love this print and kinda want to hop on that pre-order.

>>10547656
So does 95% of sweet Lolita

>>10547680
Are there deets for the material?

>>10547686
One ig post said the sample dress is poly, but that the actual dresses would be cotton if I'm remembering correctly.

>>10547628
She’s made some posts on IG and one a week or two ago (?) that stated production was slowed due to the huge order volume but they should be done soon.

>>10547519
Looks more like cotton candy shop

>>10547719
Agreed. The bodice and that lace motif running down is way closer to cotton candy shop

>>10547519
>>10547719
>>10547741
personally i think this type of sweet print is always going to look like an AP knockoff, because AP is what they're mimicking.

>>10547655
and now i, a dreamy baby room owner, reign supreme in the year of our lord 2021.

honestly part of why i just discount everyone else's opinions about lolita and stick to my own guns.

>>10547759
creamy ageplay room is still shit.

>>10547767
Enjoy your "mature" jewel toned AP wardrobe you ugly judgemental bitch.

>>10547776
chocolate prints, excuse you.

>>10547782

Okay I take it back I'm a chocolatefag too

>>10547544
>>10547548
>>10547616
>>10547624
>>10547680
>>10547719
Nice to see what gulls think of this, I’m still debating on going for this. If I don’t like it once it arrives, I’ll just sell it if anything

Honestly, the construction looks pretty good (it has pockets too) and the price isn’t too bad

>>10547642
Mine constantly tears too

>>10546813
I have no idea what you're talking about. bb&b's customer service and quality are both amazing. I'm super happy with them - I even had a payment issue on my recent order and they were greatly helpful.

>>10543211
I have an underskirt from them that's lovely. I have a headpiece that had beads attached to it and they didn't even use matching pieces, it looks like they ran out halfway through and just used something totally different.

>>10547642
this is genuinely bizarre to me. I've seen a few people complain about their melikestea pettis, but I have 3 voile ones that I've ordered in the last year and they're fine.

>>10548076

Hmm. Which petti do you have and how many layers is it?

>>10548787

That is really bizarre. I thought I was taking crazy pills because MLT is so highly rated but my petti rips like crazy. I saw someone else mention once that theirs does the same, too. I wonder if she was using a different fabric or...?

Which pettis/how many layers are yours?

>>10548810
Popping in to give some MLT variety. I got two organza in whatever the standard amount of layers was in 2017. My poof monster doesn't have tears. My daily petti does have one spot where a layer tore off, but I've worn it at least 2x a week since then. I haven't owned the viole but I wanted to : s

>>10547642
I have no issues with the voile fabric at all. Doesn't tear for me. However, mine doesn't really feel all that poofy. Maybe I didn't get enough layers on mine.

>>10548910
I think they recommend doing more layers with the voile. Supposedly the organza is more poofy with less layers but may deflate a bit over time, while the voile keeps its volume longer but needs more layers for the right poof.

>>10548810
I have a classy a line voile with 3 layers, a casual cupcake voile with 4 layers, a classy a line with 6 layers, and a cotton candy voile (bought secondhand years ago so the current quality issues wouldn't apply) with 8 layers. they're all very sturdy and I've never had one tear

wtf are some of you doing to your pettis that they tear. i have two voile ones from MLT and no tearing. i've even stuffed my shoes through them once.

>>10549026

I swear I am not rough with my pettis. They just tear away from the seams like they're made of paper. Like I said, it ripped when I was once (rather gently) adjusting my skirt. Like it tore through the skirt.

It just seems like some are made with good fabric and some with not great fabric? Doesn't seem like it's layers considering what >>10548910 said.

I feel stupid for taking so long to buy lady sloth blouses because I absolutely love them. Very accommodating shoulder width and sleeve length.

>>10549026
Wondering this too, I've had a voile petti from MLT for four+ years now. I've stepped on it in my shoes, stuffed it into little bags, snagged it with zippers and chains and shit like that, you name it. It's never torn, and it's just as poofy as ever.

>>10549026
I mean the nature of the material is that once it gets a tear in it, that tear slowly eventually pulls. I guess people with pets or who have sharp things or accessories near their petti may be more likely to break it maybe?

>>10549205
ayrt thats understandable. maybe start storing them better, away from sharp object and so pets can't reach.

>>10549205
>>10549222

Yeah I keep mine in a closet where pets don't get to it and it wasn't sharp objects. I'm seriously thinking she's used two different types of fabric because some people say they're indestructible and then some of us say they tear so easily. Mine really does tear at the drop of the hat even though I take care of it- I'm even careful how it's picked up or held because if I'm not it will tear.

>>10549349
I think she has probably used different types of voile over the years, maybe the one that was available at the time she made yours wasn't the right sort of material for a petticoat.

>>10549551

Hm. I got mine very early (jan or Feb) 2020, which, maybe that's the problem.

>>10548076

Anon, when did you get your petti? I wonder if it was around the same time as mine.

Does anybody have any experience with the made in Canada brand that Lor is shilling now? Cream and Sugar Lolita.

The fact that Lor is shilling them makes me auto sus. On top of that, their items really look cheap tbph, and those pettis look kinda sissy esque.

At the same time, I am intrigued by buying stuff that’s not made by slave labor in some East Asian sweat shop.

>>10549697
How is a petti hidden under one's dress sissy-esque if it works and is constructed fine?

>>10549697
isnt it run by lors gf?

>>10549720
Not at all. It's a local Canadian shop that used to make dancewear before the pandemic iirc

>>10549698
I mean the look of it. It looks like one of those weird sissy pettis you find on Amazon, ie: pretty cheap looking given the price point.

>>10549747
I guess I've never seen a sissy petti? Are you talking about Leg Avenue cheapo pettis or something?

>>10549755
NTA but silky and cheap looking is sissy 101. I guess they look a bit silly and cheap but more than anything they just don’t look like Lolita pettis. Idk anything about them other than the fact that it’s clear that they’re not Lolitas, and they clearly don’t understand the conventions of the aesthetic, hence why all their stuff looks a bit *off*. Maybe their quality is great but imho it just seems like a weird attempt to try and flex and capitalize off of a community you’re not really involved in, beyond trying to make a cash grab.

>>10549764
Lor and I think one other Canadian jfashion person (the ghostgirlgoods chick I think?) were partnered with this brand and helped give them tips on how to make them and whatnot. Based on photos they're just super poofy and totally fine, but I missed the preorder so I didn't buy and don't have a personal review to give.

Their new cutsews though look okay but a little cheap. Maybe I'm biased cause I know exactly what cheap shapeless heart lace fabric they use for the sleeves on the black and white ones (the pink is way nicer with the solid mesh sleeves)

>>10549720
>>10549721
It's a collab between the dance shop and Holly with Lor doing promo

>>10549764
Lor has a whole video talking a bit about it and the process if you feel like they are somehow taking advantage of the community. She wanted to help provide a source of potential revenue/income for this company who is struggling during the pandemic. It actually makes far more sense for Lor than her shilling any other brand because she really frequently in her videos talks a ton about how important it is to start with one really good quality petti, and she owned and endorsed MeLikesTea pettis for years too. I doubt she'd work with them to create something of low quality and if it isn't super pretty it's fine if the construction is solid; it goes under your outfit anyway right?

Here is the video for reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwIDEFijiBY

>>10549774
who cares? i don't want to support a random company that doesn't care about the comm. why would she help a random company outside of the community instead of a real, established brand?

>>10549779
>thinking real, established brands like AP or BABY need Lor's help in Canada

If you only want to support "real, established" brands then get the fuck out of the indie thread retard?

>>10549764
Do you...not know what the term flex means? Providing a product or service is not flexing lol

>>10549784
>being this obtuse
i obviously meant indie brands, indie brands are still real lolita and established as such. this shitty dance clothes brand is not an indie lolita brand, period. lor should put her efforts into ACTUAL established INDIE brands.

Oh great Lor's white knights are here. I agree with other anons, I would rather see more indie companies that were already making lolita rather than someone suggesting it to them.

>>10549697
They're just really fucking ugly.

>>10549790

That's fine and dandy but someone asked about them, someone said they looked like sissy shit, people explained the origins to them to reassure them, and then they got pissy about it for no reason.

the obvious samefag shitting on lors medicore indie shit is laughable

>>10549793
And? We are allowed to discuss ITT. Sorry you are unhappy with the criticism but this isn't twitter. They still look like sissy shit and they are taking the spotlight from small brands looking to enrich the community, not just make a buck during the pandemic.

>>10549795
*mediocre fuck, phoneposting is a bitch when your phone autocorrects to misspelled words lol

>>10549796

Nayrt but no one ever said they couldn't be discussed. What brands do you think Lor or other lolitas with big audiences should have worked with besides them? She already supports/shills MeLikesTea, but I haven't heard her mention others though I admittedly don't watch most of her videos. I'm curious cause beyond taobao I rarely hear suggestions besides MLT

>>10549795
the only samefag is the one licking lor's ass.

>>10549796
Not a Lor fan but holy shit anon, take some Xanax and chill tf out.

>>10549801
nah they keep using the same terms or whatever trying to accuse a random shop of taking advantage of lolitas lol? how dare a small business try to make money when people are going homeless bc of the pandemic, oh no! fucking dumb.

>>10549807
I’m >>10549774 and that’s the only reply I posted in this thread on the topic.

>>10549790
This is basically what I’m getting at. I don’t know the brand, but I do know that they’re not in the community, and it just doesn’t sit right with me that Lor who is far and away the most public figure in the community is promoting them when there are tons of actual Lolita indie brands who are also struggling during covid. But hey, they sent her a free shirt so...

>>10549812
You are not >>10549774; that's me? Did you misquote?

Also to your point other lolita indie brands don't really seem to make pettis except the one major popular one who she already advertises for, so...who else would she support?

Everyone on cgl typically hates or feels indifferent towards Lor. Imagine being such a newfag you think her snowflake fans have the stomach to even visit cgl at all.

Some of you sound like indie brand owners who are mad you didn't have the idea/following to do it first or something. It's basically Lor's brand but she's giving the dance company the manufacturing responsibility iirc, so it's an established (however annoying and disliked) community member's brand. I think she may have said she possibly had people asking her about selling merch or a brand and this was her compromise sorta decision with the petti and bloomers.

>>10549815
Woops yes I did rip, I’m >>10549764

But it’s not just pettis, it’s also cutsews and presumably accessories and so on. There’s already a ton of dance companys making pettis, and people have used them for Lolita for ages. There’s nothing unique about them, they’re just one more company trying to capitalize on Lolita without really bothering to learn anything about it beyond the existence of Lor and her following.

>>10549822
I feel like they are trying to learn more by working with Lor, she did prototype and test them and whatnot. I don't remember everything in her original announcement vid but it's not like they approached her afaik

>>10549832
i thought that lor approached them.

>>10549838
Yah i think she went to them, so they weren't pursuing her cause they already made dance pettis and knew she wore them, she went to them.

Not to give myself away, but awhile back I got a huge boost in my sales and following with the return of sweet, and Lor followed my profile. Then she pmd me about some stuff that she really liked and low key asked for free merch in exchange for a shout out. I kinda awkwardly avoided answering it directly since my stuff is really labor intensive and I’m sold out pretty much all the time but I also don’t want to hurt my business with any potential drama from sending something rude in a dm.

Anywho, she unfollowed me after I didn’t have anything to send her, so maybe one of the reasons why she’s repping for these kinda of brands is because small brands in the community aren’t willing to give her freebies.

TLDR: Lor works for freebies and commissions and existing indie brands either don’t need to or can’t afford to do that.

>>10549856
I think it's a combination. I've heard her complain about Chinese resellers basically who don't want to pay her, but other times she discussed Chinese shops letting her pick out a certain value of items to review.

Makes sense she wants the items to review or have in front of her to discuss but she's also not entitled to free shit from small lolita community brands either.

>>10549868
Lor complaining about Chinese resellers while shilling devilinspired is the funniest shit. But yeah, I run a normie insta business for vintage clothes and like honestly “influencers” should be charged double if anything.

>>10549856
>existing indie brands either don’t need to or can’t afford to do that.
This. It's actually really conceited when lolitas with 500+ followers assume that they are doing your indie brand some huge favor by asking for free products in exchange a post. I'm so fucking tired of it, especially since my business is Black-owned and everyone suddenly thinks that it's their SJW duty to ask me for free shit so that they can "promote" Black businesses, which is really just them trying to promote themselves.

If you really want to support indie lolita shops, buy from them. It's that simple.

Has anyone bought the headbow and face mask for Otome Nostalgia? I've heard that the headbow was poorly constructed in the previous thread and was generally not a fan of how big it looked. I was theorizing cutting up the facemasks to make smaller bows and sewing them onto barrettes for some more subtle headwear. I'm pretty sure once COVID blows over lolita face masks aren't gonna become collectibles so I wouldn't feel guilty about there being one less mask molding away in some wardrobe. Any suggestions?

>>10549900
>I'm pretty sure once COVID blows over lolita face masks aren't gonna become collectibles
Buying a used mask is disgusting so I sure hope not.

>>10549971
>>10549900
Honestly using mask fabric to make your own bow sounds like a great idea. I'll probably do that with my AP ones when this is all over.

>>10549884
Wow that's fucked up. I'd be interested in a list of black owned lolita shops that I can buy things from. Last year there was one, but I'm not sure how to to date that would be.

>>10549900
I'm going to continue wearing facemasks forever. I'm so glad they're finally seen as normal in the West.

>>10549856
I've always kind of pegged Lor as "seeming" nice, but not "being" nice. She is too self-serving, which comes through in everything she does. That's why she still looks a hot mess after all this time and won't fix her coords or learn to do makeup.

>>10549697
Their stuff looks so ordinary and boring

>>10550072
She advertised them as simple basics. Which makes sense desu cause a lot of news follow her and one of the biggest noob issue is not having their basics down.

>>10550075
They aren't a lolita brand. Not even an indie brand. Lor clearly just wants asspats for "helping" a local business.

>>10550077
that has nothing to do with the clothes being simple and boring tho lol

someone's itt must be small business owner with a jealous streak or something i swear

>>10550086
Why do you keep wking Lor so hard? Anons are allowed to criticize the stuff for looking boring.

>>10550086
>shitting on small business owners
>in the indie thread
>in the thread where people have already called lor out on her shitty behavior
she's not going to notice you, anon, she's taking a break from the internet.
i think most people ITT agree that lor is being kind of shitty. as if shilling devil inspired wasn't enough.

>>10550090

Nayrt but to be fair the people criticizing it looking boring are not neccesarily the same people complaining repeatedly about them "not being a real lolita brand" and "taking advantage of the community for a quick buck"; that sounds like a strange vendetta or obsession with the fact I guess Lor isn't hand sewing all their stuff or whatever so they don't think they're a real indie brand? Even though many indie jfashion brand owners just handle design and prototypes and outsource labor. Of course there are probably better more established brands to get pettis from like MLT that have cuter designs and more color options so for that reason alone MLT is far better.

I agree they're boring, even considering what >>10550075 said about them being basics; I, like another anon upthread have bought and hate the shapeless cheap heart mesh fabric on the black and white cutsew sleeves and the photo Lor posted even in the pink one looks weird fit wise. I'd much rather make my own at that point but even if you can't sew, secondhand brand cutsews are not that expensive so it isn't worth the price.

>>10550107
i think lor is shitty for shilling devilinspired and for asking small businesses for free shit to get featured, but it doesn't make rly sense to assume the dancewear company is shitty just because lor is a fake nice influencer

>>10550116
>that sounds like a strange vendetta or obsession with the fact I guess Lor isn't hand sewing all their stuff or whatever so they don't think they're a real indie brand?

If you read the explanation upthread, that has nothing to do with it. People are upset about that because Lor picked out this company that didn't make lolita items before and told them to start making them. It's not that people want everything to be handmade, it's that this brand isn't interested in lolita or in the community and are just doing this as a side project during the pandemic, which I think people aren't realizing. Lor could have easily picked a small brand that already catered to lolita, it's not as if every company isn't struggling, but she chose this company that is uninterested in the lolita community outside of her, just she bought shitty dance pettis from them before.

>>10550121
i don't really think people assume the brand is shitty, most people just seem annoyed that lor is giving them business advice for our community when they clearly weren't interested in it before and they only have her as a guide for how to sell to us. like others have said, why not find a brand that was already trying to establish itself in our community instead?

>>10550124

I guess I am assuming it's because it is far easier to work with a local business than have to deal with mail and travel for testing prototypes and whatnot, plus she specified wanting people to have access to a North American (as in, Canada or US based) company making lolita goods for shipping reasons since many non-Asian indie brands are in Europe or South America, etc.

I also don't know if this business is doing this only for the pandemic, this is their second sort of release so it could be a long term thing, and there isn't technically anything wrong with establishing a new lolita brand.

I guess I'm just not as offended by this as others? I don't wanna buy any of their products for reasons I already stated, but they don't piss me off or make me feel uncomfy or whatever the way some people are.

>>10550127
Some people have given their answers as well and I personally think it's less giving the brand help and more Lor wanting to do something despite not having very good skills in anything involving textiles or design. She studied film related creative stuff I think, and her fans had supposedly been asking her for products or merch to support her according to someone itt, so this was a practical way to do the community a favor by allowing people in Canada and the states to get more affordable basic pettis initially. I think it was also helping herself both feel good because she is overly nice and can feel like she is helping a business, and make a bit of cash since living off just YouTube and Patreon can't be that lucrative considering she has multiple roommates in her Toronto apartment despite her small level of lolita efame and multiple income sources.

Did y'all really want Lor to work with an up and coming small lolita brand anyway considering her freebies for a shoutout type approach that we already addressed people can't afford or don't need her for?

>>10549819
>Some of you sound like indie brand owners who are mad you didn't have the idea/following to do it first or something

This is exactly my thought, reading through this thread lol

A lot of indie brands have issues with basic sewing quality because they're made by girls who start as hobbyist sewers... So in a sense, I sort of trust an already established tailor in another area moreso to create quality basics that don't require a lot of aesthetic work (like dresses, etc).

As long as the quality is at least decent, it's fine with me. It's not like people don't sell off their newbie purchases and buy better stuff as they go on, anyway.

>>10550168
Oh and I should add, I'm talking about indies who actually make their own stuff in-house. Girls who just design and outsource to warehouses in Asia is a whole other category imo.

>>10550075
There's a difference between simple yet lolita and cheap looking boring bloomers which are no better than biker shorts

>>10550116
>secondhand brand cutsews are not that expensive so it isn't worth the price.
Hell, bodylines heart cut out cutsew is better. But I’m assuming these cutsews will be geared towards fatties. To be fair, brand cutsews are usually comically small.

>>10550180
Fair point on them looking cheap, but bike shorts are skintight spandex which these look nothing like, maybe find a better comparison that's accurate to describe what makes them seem cheap. For me it's the lace. I prefer bloomers that use no lace or torchon lace but maybe I'm just biased because I prefer torchon lace on almost everything.

Everyone complaining to Lor for not supporting "an existing lolita/jfashion brand" and claiming this dancewear company just wants our lolitabuxx seem to be forgetting this collaboration was also with ghostgirlgoods, an actual Canadian kawaii fashion brand who has I think even worked with or been featured at events supported by or in collaboration with 6% doki doki and other brands? But they are a brand Lor has talked about before/is friends with the owner and has been around for years. The dancewear company is literally just the manufacturer it seems and she and the ghostgirlgoods chick do all the other stuff.

>>10549856
This was my experience exactly. I don’t really give a shit about Lor one way or the other and the only lolitas I interact with outside of my core group of 3 or so friends are the ones I sell to. She seemed surprised that I wasn’t going to jump in on an opportunity for exposure. I swear it’s like my art school days all over again.

Has anyone bought stuff from Marchen Maiden? $100 berets???

>>10551605
It’s because they’re handmade and not made in a factory

Has anyone bought rings or necklaces from Dandy Puppetrois? What are your thoughts on the size and quality?

>>10551614
They look like overpriced AP jewelry so I presume around the same quality

>>10551614
They definitely just look like laser cut acrylic and not super worth the prices, but a lot of it is cute

>>10551650
>not super worth the prices
They cost like second hand AP priced over the retail

>>10551668
That's why I said not really worth it. Like I'm sure it prolly costs them a lot to make it so I get why it costs that much but I don't find it worth buying.

>>10551668
They look nicely made, but their designs aren't versatile enough to be worth the price

>>10549721
>>10549771
It's the shop Holly works at, she said that they started cream and sugar to keep it in business during the pandemic as they're not making dancewear stuff now. So Holly is directly involved in making the products.

>>10551668
exactly, so why would I buy these when I can just buy AP? And with AP I know the quality and the designs are cuter over random indie store I've never heard of and never seen any reviews for

>>10551688
nepotism

>>10551673
It really doesn't though? That's what's so confusing. Are they working somewhere with insane VAT costs or something?

>>10551688
This is exactly the problem I have with this. Lolita is just a stand-in for a cash grab when they're in a pinch.

>>10551756
Assuming anons are corrext that it is laser cut acrylic, acrylic in specific colors can be pricey because few shops sell them or many sell wholesale only in bulk, etc. plus the costs of membership to a digital fabrication space or price of a laser cutter and ventilation (fab space memberships vary wildly in price, even the cheapest consumer grade desktop laser cutters can be thousands to start, if you have a full size one you need a space with good airflow and a reasonable amount of room).

They also need to pay themselves for the design and shipping work, pay for the website and fees to payment processors, pay themselves for the time they spend on the promo artwork/prints, etc. I can see how it would be labor or time or cost intensive at various points especially cause they're a new shop so they haven't neccesarily figured out how to maximize efficiency and cut costs as well as a more experienced shop yet.

I personally don't even pay their prices for secondhand AP jewelry so I'll likely not buy from them at current prices but I can see how they'd be so high.

>>10551758
To be fair, the previous argument was that there are no lolitas involved and none of them know anything or care about lolita. People have repeatedly mentioned Lor, Holly, and ghostgirlgoods being directly involved in it, and the fact that existing indie lolita brands don't want to work with Lor anyway because of how she asks for freebies, and people are still mad because a business didn't want to have to shut down during the pandemic?

Many indie lolita brand shops are not doing lolita products as their full time income or if their sales drop people don't lose jobs and homes and physical storefronts. I see nothing shady or wrong about them wanting to pursue this project with people in the community helping and contributing, I really don't get why a couple anons are so offended by this eeven though I'm not a fan of their pieces. Like call the pettis and cutsews ugly and basic (they mostly are) sure, but this moralfagging about how the business is so evil for accepting an offer to do something that helps North American lolitas get some cute things without the crazy pandemic shipping hell and keeps food on people's tables during a tough time just seems retarded.

>>10551762
I guess I just assumed they're not idiots and are having it all pre-fabbed in bulk. Tbh I find their designs pretty subpar, so maybe that's why? even at half the price that's a tough sell.
The design is minimalistic at best, and the quality looks pretty bad imho. It loos like basic clipart copied into CAD, and the color combos are just off. On top of all that, who TF wants to run around with a big ole DP on a necklace or ring lmao. This brand is clearly not well thought through.

>>10551874
>who TF wants to run around with a big ole DP on a necklace or ring

DEAD. That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw their latest drop. like hunny no....

>>10551605
Those berets are cute as fuck and the materials look quality from these photos, at least. If I was going to spend 100 on say an AP one I'd spend 100 on these too.

>>10551764
I agree with you. I dont think ive commented anything negative about them here but hearing that they are being manufactured by a dance company makes me very intrigued. Means that seamstresses that know what they are doing are involved plus I love to support small businesses.

Now the actual designs? I might try buying a petti or bloomers at some point. The cutsew is alright but I can never coord that scoop-neckline well. I hope they make a high neck or peter pan color thing eventually

>>10551758
>>10551704
The people behind the project are lolitas (Holly and Ghostgirl), they're using their workplace's machines and materials in exchange for a cut of the profits. The lolitas brought the idea to their workplace as a way of keeping the company they work for in business while also launching their own lolita company. This is such a weird thing to be so riled up about.

>>10552009
Such a weird thing to lick so much asshole about, the thread has moved on anon

>>10552002
>Means that seamstresses that know what they are doing are doing

With those scrappy ass cuts, could have fooled me.

>>10551874
I was wary of the big DP on the back of the items kek.

Their necklaces look like they could flip over easily to show the back side. For $100 I can't justify that.

>>10552030
sucks because the lollipop shaker is my favorite from the newest collection but it has huge "DP" on the front. I feel bad for being turned off of buying for such a petty(?) reason but girl, please spend some more time on the internet. Really shot yourself in the foot with those initials

Has anyone ever ordered anything from the Korean indie brand gothlolicloset? They seem to be similar to Anna House in terms of catalogue and style.

Is the quality good? Do you need a shopping service to order from them? I don't see any english or overseas support mentioned anywhere on their site.

>>10552019
This is still the most prominent discussion besides the Double Penetration jewelry lol

>>10552044
Even then, $100 for it? The design looks like a basic prototype, and the proportions are way off.

>>10552044
>irl, please spend some more time on the internet
TFW being a pervert pays off lmao

>>10552075
Honestly Im mostly just worried about creepy men approaching me and making weird remarks about it. Heaven knows they will find anything to make weird sexual remarks about.

>>10552019
How is pointing out facts "licking asshole?" This is a slow board and people will reply to the same topic days later if you haven't noticed. Less than 12 hours later is hardly time to have moved on

>>10552078
Ooof, I hadn't thought of that. Talk about a branding nightmare.

>>10552074
I'm with you on this. They seem like nice people, but these designs are just really bad and at the price, it's really inexcusable. The plastic they're using looks cheap and doesn't have any embellishments or sparkles. The chains/beas look cheap af, those colors are kinda mismatched and the sizes are really odd. It really looks like cheap taobao or etsy jewelry.

>>10552107
>nice people
You know that one of the creators is a Twitter SJW that bullied L*r into posting those apologies right?

>>10551614
>>10552305
Ngl, never heard of this brand. Checked it out and it looks like shit, the designs are pretty dollar store kiddie toy unappealing. I've found better looking jewelry on etsy tbqh. And to think it's *that persons* brand? Why are ugly sjws like this

>>10552305
Oh I legit didn't know that. I guess that explains why this shitty brand is still in business tho, using that SJW pressure to get people to buy your ugly overpriced Double Penetration jewelry

>>10552308
They really should invest in a decent modeler, because dear lord their designs are off. For $100 a necklace, you can afford to get a good CAD guy on Fiverr to build something that doesn't look like a 3rd-grade clipart experiment.

>>10552432
Idk why people keep mentioning CAD. You don't need 3D modeling to make laser cut jewelry. You just need any vector program like Adobe Illustrator and to plan out your drawings in 2D for each layer of acrylic. The lack of tech savvyness is not what makes their designs feel off, it's the color choices, poorly thoughtout AP copycat logo, weird need to be edgy cute ("twisted beating heart", skulls on the cupcake jewelry, vampire themed lemonade, stupid ":3" face cat on the strawberry jewelry, etc.)

Their first collection was okay, but their stuff keeps getting worse and they generally have poor design sensibilities. Calling their jewelry etsy level is unfair to etsy because some etsy shops have good pieces while some are trash hobbyists. They charge brand prices so they should be held to brand standards anyway and right now they aren't at brand level. I think they need to take some classes on jewelry making or general graphic design skills to improve.

>>10552444
I just assumed they were machining it. If it's just vector based that's somehow even worse. Take that heart lollipop necklace. The proportions are so off. It's thick, clunky and the stick to heart ratio is just weird. If all you need is a vector, these are all painfully easy problems to fix.

They're not at a level where they should be selling for even a quarter of the price they are now. I can get LUSA for $20-$30, and it's fucking fabulous. I can get BB&B for half the price, and they're pretty incredible in their quality, even if they don't have the plastic style.

>>10552454
Based on close up photos of the edges of the rings, they are 100% using a laser cutter and using a raster etching or engraving function for the logo that they then paint in or whatever. The tiny ridges you see are common if you look super close at laser cut acrylic that hasn't been finished in any way. They need to either use thinner acrylic or balance out proportions far better.

If they did want to use CAD they could model these in 3D in a program like Fusion360 for free based on the material thickness and then get vector cutting patterns from there, but they could also just do basic prototyping and tests with AI and not just come up with one pattern or design and call it a day.

They could also look into coating some sections of the products in glitter or something for more visual interest so it's not just flat colored shiny plastic. Their angel cupcake ring almost goes there with the metallic or reflective halo and heart but that whole theme was odd anyway.

>>10552464
>laser cut acrylic that hasn't been finished in any way
For $100 they can't round the edges like even taobao brands do? jesus.

>>10552468
The taobao brands may be using resin or something, not acrylic. And for a small shape like that it could be difficult to sand or smooth the edges. It might be difficult if they're just doing it in a fablab or with an at home cutter and not using a factory so I don't blame them for that, though the price is a lot even for a small business.

>>10552470
They could also adjust their laser's cutting speed to reduce the striations on the acrylic, but at that scale idk if it would cause melting or warping issues. Sanding acrylic will result in a smooth finish though.

>>10552470
Alice in Halloween is def acrylic, and their new cherry necklace is pretty cute and comes in at $14. I paid about $22 total, and I'm super impressed with the quality of it. If it were a US brand I'd pay $80 for it without even hesitating.

>>10552477
They could be casting the acrylic with a mold or cutting it in a way besides a laser cutter. Production methods all vary and China has a bigger selection of factories and materials than someone putting this stuff together themselves I assume in North America. So taobao is always going to be the best deal for quality.

Do you have a link to or pics od the shop you mentioned? I'm always down to cop some more plastic jewelry

>>10552496
nta but it's clearly laser cut. someone upthread already explained how the other brand is just using a cheaper method.

>>10552502
Ayrt and that was me. The DP brand isn't using a cheaper method of laser cutting, I was just saying they aren't putting effort into the design and small details and finishing. All laser cutting unless you get lucky and fuck around with settings will leave those ridges on acrylic material and then need extra finishing like sanding or something to smooth it out. Which is reason enough not to buy from them, the lack of finishing or real design effort overall. I was also saying the taobao brand may be using methods besides laser cutting or have access to finishing capabilities that are easier to get in China so that could cause the difference in quality.

>>10552515
NTAYRT, these are still companies and not just one person using a bad laser cutter. Take that shit to the AA thread.

>>10552516
This is the indie brand thread and people are talking about an indie brand (comparing it to taobao but the focus is the problems or opinions on the brand)

It's obvious that many gulls have little experience with or understanding of production for anything that isn't sending blueprints to China or making resin crafts so some background knowledge is helpful for explaining what about the brand's pieces feel unfinished or off.

In general though it's just that their designs are sub par more than anything.

>>10552496
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c-s.w4002-22491831548.49.68c3cc84svRIAu&id=636982380704

There's a very big community for collecting laser cut brooches and other laser cut jewellery pieces, much of which looks much higher quality than DP for much less the price. I have a lot of KumaCrafts which is also laser-cut, but cheaper and cuter in my opinion.

>>10552530
I think that's the point people are getting at. The price they are asking is ridiculous, even by indie and western brand standards. On top of all that the quality looks cheap and the designs are bad, sexual innuendo notwithstanding.

>>10552522
Thanks anon

>>10552530
The shop isn't open rn, but do they make jewelry too? Their shit on insta is so cute but most of what I'm seeing looks to be pins or figures.

>>10552044
>sucks because the lollipop shaker is my favorite from the newest collection but it has huge "DP" on the front. I feel bad for being turned off of buying for such a petty(?) reason but girl, please spend some more time on the internet. Really shot yourself in the foot with those initials

Mood

What are y'all's thoughts on Peacockalorum? They were my first pair of lolita wristcuffs but after I've bought multiple pairs from Angelic Pretty, BTSSB, and Atelier Pierrot, the lace and construction looks like absolute shit in comparison. I'm thinking about just throwing them away instead of selling them on LM.

>>10552979
Tbh I still think they’re cute in photos, but everyone who’s seen them in person says what you do so I wouldn’t buy them

>>10552980
Damn I really wish people disclosed this before I bought them as a babylita. They do look passable in photos tho ngl

>>10552979
Their wristcuffs are shit and if you order anything red they may mix red and wine together instead of using matching lace colors. I buy brand wristcuffs only these days, occasionally nice taobao ones.

>>10549900
Hopping on this, can anyone review the Otome Nostalgia main pieces? I'm in love, missed out on the reservations and wondering if it's worth paying full price secondhand.

>>10553129
I don't think it's awful but I also don't think it's worth full price. Definitely not for the headbow. It has weird proportions/sits oddly. I got the OP in red and while I like and wear it, I hate that when I bend over or twist around the belt comes undone/loose so easily, especially since my waist is substantially smaller than my bust so it causes the dress to look kind of baggy easily if you're moving around. If you really like the print it's worth it, but the material isn't the most comfortable and feels/looks like it would get a run or pull in the fabric a bit easily.

Side note: anyone know the brand of wristcuffs the model in the photo is wearing? I really want some nice torchon lace wristcuffs.

>>10553129
I heard it's getting a restock soon so you won't have to hunt for it secondhand at least

>>10553134
Would replacing the belt help with that?

>>10553150
Yeah for sure; I like the heart buckle on this one though so I still try to wear it lol

>>10553129
Someone I follow on IG ordered the biggest size and said the waist was really low, meanwhile I ordered the smallest size and the waist is way too high. There seems to be a huge patterning issue between sizes. For reference, I'm about 160cm and the dress sits higher than my natural waist. Also seconding the thing about the belt, it's so thin and doesn't stay at all.

>>10553215
I have the biggest size and maybe it's because of my bust measurement but the waist sits high in the front and buttons have bad gaping issues despite being well within the size range listed for the OP and just wearing a thin cotton bralette to reduce any bulk.

I'm seeing a lot of people selling Otome Nostalgia, what's wrong with it?

>>10553417
Its probably too hard to coord
the print doesn’t go with most other accessories . I almost think it’s not lolita anymore, just straight up jfash

>>10553421
I get what you mean.. The only good coords I have seen were combined with other main pieces. Not even sure I would call picrel lolita

>>10553423
Oof...yeah even picrel is a bit out there and i’m not sure i dig it.
They should have also gone for the jfash crowd and just made it a cute minidress, or just a shirt cutsew, which would be so much easier to coord. I would buy the fuck out of it if it were more harajuku style (for lack of a better word)

>>10553134
they look like baby wristcuffs to me

I sewed a snap in to my otome nostalgia belt, now it stays and I don't have to worry about it

>>10553482
Idk why I didn't think of this! The interfacing in the belt is really thick and papery so I didn't even consider sewing anything to it, what size snaps did you use?

>>10553482
Oh, that's exactly what I was going to do! I'm glad it worked.

VF didn't include the headdress in my package (I pre ordered skirt + tights + brooch, then ordered headdress and they said to put in notes to ship w my order). I emailed them Thursday and no response, so I suppose I'll email them again. / sigh / My first ordering experience with them has been hectic. Their communication isn't timely, but they're always on IG.

>>10553502
Their communication and organizations is quite shit and they just straight up lie or if you want to give them benefit of the doubt, forget to do what they say they will for people.

>>10553129
I'm not saying this to be rude, but what do people like about this dress?? I think the print is so ugly

>>10553542
same. i like retro styles like AP does, so super sweet, but this just looks like some weeby retro rockabilly hot topic abomination.

>>10553542
I think I like it for the busy, ugly factor. But I only like the skirt. It's hard to coordinate; I think it is best kept simple.

>>10553542
Imo this retro shoujo style is starting to become trendy which is why the series did so well. I love it too so im not complaining.

>>10553544
They arent the same aesthetics. AP is doing retro Americana 50s diner style normally.

The style of otome nostaglia and other brands doing similar aesthetics is like 60-70s childrens Asian retro

>>10553542
I kind of like it, it's cute in a kitschy sort of way, but I wouldn't wear it lolita. I wish they'd just made it a normie cut.

>>10553553
The skirt isn't really that full/only fits an A line petti for me so it's basically a normie cut as far as poof.

Did anyone get anything from Summer Tales Boutique’s Nostalgia Series?

>>10553490
sorry for the late reply anon, I don't check this thread very often. I just bought some sew on snaps from michaels, I want to say they're about 10mm?

>>10553546
agreed, and most people that were around back then can afford that kinda stuff due to their age