/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Why am i a poorlita, i want this dress so badly

>>10551593
There's one up on LM

>>10551570
It's gorgeous! I ordered the red!

>>10551654
I ordered the red too, can we twin mb?

>>10551661
Sorry

>>10551654
I got red too! I kinda wanted that green but it's so different from what's in my wardrobe.

Has Baby shared a reason as to why they don't do Yamato/DHL like other brands? I'm just wondering how many months it will be til I see the stuff I ordered from their online Japan store.

>>10551831

I emailed them and they replied saying it's because they want to make us suffer.

>>10551836
You jest but at one time that would have been the actual answer

>>10551907
What, why?

>>10551911
search tocco or sana in the archive

>>10551915
Warosu is down it seems

>>10551918
>>10551915

Same for me; says "Internal Server Error"

>>10551918
>>10551920
Oh, weird.

Well the tl;dr is that Baby JP used to have an infamous international order staffmember named Sana/Tocco-chan who would be extremely rude to foreigners in emails, sent damaged items purposely to foreigners, and banned customers for complaining about missing or damaged orders, etc. She basically singlehandedly ruined Baby's reputation with the international comm for years before Chinese lolitas made enough of a fuss about it that she was finally fired and Isobe had to personally apologize for her (which as you can imagine, is a big deal for a JP company).

You can find an old shoe review on the EGL LJ comm that details an example of dealing with her. Though the drama that finally got rid of her happened a few years ago, I think around 2016?

>>10551922
Oof, what a mess. Especially considering we all have a much easier time ordering with BABY jp site compared to AP as far as them shipping internationally and their mail order forms and whatnot.

I know this is not true but the conspiracy theorist in me is wondering if she was an AP spy planted to kill BABYs international business and reputation, just because of the recent posts about AP and BABY SF having some sort of weird rivalry lol

>>10551924
Nope, she was actually a personal friend of the Isobe's which is why she was kept around for so long. She was less of a staffperson and more of a personal friend they brought in to help with orders as the company grew larger rapidly, but I guess they didn't know the extent of her behavior (or didn't care) until it started damaging their reputation with the giant Chinese customer base. She sent some really fucked up stuff in those emails, you can see the caps in the 2016 threads when the archive comes back up.

>>10551570
bump

I think lolita started to decline, after lolita had become popular in china. Now we have burando catering to Chinese nouveau riche, and as they want to flex, burando produce tons of ugly plastic shit. China itself only adds fuel to the fire with taobao cheap and ugly dresses. Lolita was meant to look luxurious but 10$ op cant be seen as such at any point. Instead any weeb can afford it now. Social medias are full of itas wearing plastic. Last but not least, have you thought about how bad poly is for environment? And also rebellious culture shouldn't listen to totalitarian country babes with sugar daddies.

Does anyone know how to get smells out of AP chiffon? Is vinegar safe? Dream Sky OP came in the mail and it smells absolutely disgusting, like a mix of sweat and maybe smoke? 4 washes in and it's barely faded.

>>10551961
Vinegar is fine on poly, should at least help a little. Also try freezing the dress for 24 hours to kill any lingering bacteria before washing it again.

>>10551961
Ive heard 1:1 vodka and water spray can help with tobacco smell

>>10551962
>>10551968
Thanks anons, I'll try both!

>>10551570
Does anyone have any examples of the 3 frill dress being worn, outside of Meta's modeling images? It's pretty visually but I wonder at how it looks in various real life outfits.

>>10551961
I washed a petite patisserie jsk (tiered brown) that smelled like smoke about 6 times: First 5 I put it in warm water with a lot of baking soda, let is soak for a few hours, then washed on delicate with a gentle detergent. Then once dry, I put it in the freezer for about 3 weeks in a clean zip lock bag. After that, one more baking soda soak and wash with gentle detergent. The smell is now gone.

Hanging it outside in sun a tiny bit may help too, but I didn't need to. The above steps I did didn't fade the print or give it any extra ware, it looks brand new.

Sweat = living bacteria on it I think, so I am not sure if the above will help with that, but it helped me with the smoke smell.

>>10551922
I can confirm that Sana was really difficult to deal with. I once received a damaged item, and she got really quite nasty in her reply, initially being rather patronising, then insisting the item wasn’t damaged at all, and looked as though I was about to get banned. Trying to deal with ordering directly back then was like walking a minefield.

>>10552150
>Sweat = living bacteria on it
no, sweat is usually dead bacteria.

>>10551922
The weirdest thing is that Tocco comes across as a huge anglophile on Facebook. She always writes her posts in English above Japanese, so it was weird that she ended up being so antagonistic to foreigners until she got kicked out.
That was the weirdest mystery to me, guess she was only nice to her foreign friends with clout.
She's off FB and kicked out of Baby since that incident, so good riddance I guess.

>>10552150
>>10552177
Yr both wrong. Sweat stains/odors are caused by a few specific acidic compounds leftover after bacteria on the skin has broken down proteins present in sweat.

As an aside, most Asian people don’t produce the proteins that are broken down into these compounds, which is why they don’t really get BO, and goes some way to explaining why Jfash brands spit out polyester garments with reckless abandon in a country with notoriously humid summers.

>>10552310
No anon, they produce less. They still get BO, have you ever been in Asia on a public train in the summer?

>>10552382
This. Idk where this rumor that Asians don't sweat and smell comes from except people's weird fantasy that Asians are superior lol. Most women you won't notice their BO because it is a bit less and many women wear scented products, sweat pads, use scented wipes for sweat, etc. but men or people who aren't good with hygeine? People stink and smell sweaty fairly often and just because it's less than a different ethnicity doesn't mean it's not gross.

>>10552386
my fiance doesn't sweat very much if at all. (he's chinese)

>>10552387
That's what I said. They still sweat or smell just less, and people who don't have good hygiene or wear deodorant you will still notice it. Spent enough time around college aged Asian gamer dude friends and computer science majors to know it's not impossible for them to smell.

Does anyone else feel kind of unsettled or cringe when you see lolitas dance on TikTok or Instagram videos? I don't know why but I just can't look at it. Especially when someone just wants to show their coord but they have no idea what to do so they just do a weird dance for the camera.

It just looks so off from what lolita is somehow. I can't quite put it into words, but I was wondering if anyone else feels the same way?

>>10552402
>I can't quite put it into words
I think the words you're looking for is picrel

>>10551922
I had my fair share of an Sana encounter too, right before she got doxxed and finally kicked out. I was so hurt by her behaviour that I didn't bought from Baby for several years. I'm now over it and regret not keeping the mails with her insults fir the lulz.

She had some closer foreign friends which she gave Baby stuff for free, so she wasn't completely against foreigners.

Probably better suited to the stupid questions thread but the convo about Baby’s customer service got me thinking; will Baby ship to a Tenso address without any issues? I’ve only ever ordered direct from the intl’ site in the past in the past but I’ve been using Tenso a lot more since covid. EMS has been running fine to my country but all those shipping fees get very costly very quickly so I prefer to consolidate where possible.

>>10552382
>>10552386
>>10552391
Sorry, what I meant to say was most Asian people don’t produce the proteins that are broken down into the compounds that produce BO. Wait that’s exactly what I did say kek. I feel foolish for assuming reading comprehension on a Chilean bookbinding forum :^)

About 85% of south Asians lack a functional ABCC11 gene. Gene not readable = transcription no work = no protein
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X15346832

>>10552431
Yeah. This has nothing to do with thinking asians are perfect. Anon is right. Many asians lack the gene. MANY does not mean ALL which is why you sometimes smell very stinky people on public transit, especially men. Children aren't really taught about deodorant because most of them don't need it. Its a point of embarrassment and a gap in health education. Deodorant is sold in the pharmacy in a very small section, or sometimes at convenience stores, and isn't widely available in general and grocery stores. Smelly adults either literally don't know how to stop being smelly or they don't care. They're the genetic minority. 15%- so if you're on a crowded train in the summer, about 1 out of every 10 people may smell.

>>10552386
>many women wear scented products, sweat pads, use scented wipes for sweat
You should know that scented products don't remove the BO scent. Haven't you ever smelled someone put on perfume over their BO? They just smell like BO.... and perfume. Scented products are also still a bit taboo and they are only lightly scented. Strong scents aren't considered usual or appropriate in the workplace.

>>10552459
But if you wipe the sweat away from the BO prone areas the smell will be mostly gone?

And one out of ten people seems like a huge gap. 1 out of every 10 people on a crowded train is still like 3-5 people minimum on every train car.

>>10552460

If you wipe the scent away from a BO prone area with a scented wipe that doesn't actually remove the bacteria on your skin that is causing the smell, you will smell again quite soon. What you're smelling isn't the sweat itself. The smell can't be wiped away with the water droplets. It lingers on your skin. And how many women do you see shoving wet wipes into their armpits in public?

Exactly. And of those 3-5 people minimum, maybe some of them know how to use deodorant because its genetic and their parents taught them, or they googled it because it was a concern, or they were teased in school and learned to go to the pharmacy to get deodorant to fix it. Which means that some train cars won't have a single smelly person in them, some will have one or two very smelly people, some will have 3-4, and some will have more.

>>10552462
Every train I was on where I was the only non asian foreigner had at least 3 smelly dudes tho.

And of course not in public but in a restroom or something in between where they're going, and if they don't smell super strong to begin with it is easier to temporarily cover or remove the smell more effectively.

>>10552431
>>10552459
Can you take your race science somewhere else?

>>10552462
this isn't how sweat works. ffs.

>>10552484
This, please.

>>10552467
Then you're unlucky, anon. In eight years of living there, my experience was different. At least 3 smelly dudes per train car is unfortunately bad luck.

claricepeach is making an OF

>>10552520
Who?

>>10552431
To answer your question, no, they won't allow foreigners to ship to their Tenso address.

I really wish BABY would include Yamato as a shipping option. They allowed it for Kumya's Christmas Market, but then I made another order right after Christmas and they refused the shipping change.

>>10552546
Uhh...that would be the shipping option for someone using a tenso address. Sagawa shipping is domestic.

>>10552546
It says ship to Japan here though. If you're using Tenso you're still shipping to Japan?

>>10552546
Huh. Yeah as >>10552553 says, I’d assume that meant “this option is only available for domestic orders” inclusive of forwarding addresses, but it’s possible it might pertain to orders originating from within Japan ONLY. Lots of places have become stricter re: forwarding addresses in the past few years (leaves them wide open to CC fraud I guess) so I’m always cautious now

>>10552402
there used to be several lolitas from the old days of egl that would post dance videos to youtube. i think it was the girl who would start pinkly ever after? point is, its not a new thing

>>10552546
Don’t give advice when you’re a retard and don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve shipped two orders to my Tenso address from BABY just this year.

>>10552402
It's a quirky things for kids to do, when I see people 25 and over do shit like that though I definitely think >>10552405

secrets

>>10552402

Dancing gets more views on tiktok according to the algorithm but yeah I agree it's super cringe. Also the whole bad lip syncing shit, I'm so tired of people shittily matching audio to whatever situation in lolita.

>>10552402
I feel different. I actually like the way lolita skirts move during dancing. But i kinda agree on tiktok dances being a cringe, its better to stage more suitable ones especially for lolita fashion

>>10552417
Wait, did she actually insult clients? Can you recall some examples cause I imagine something "if you were able to read, blind moron, you would see these shoes only comes in size S, so they would not fit your giant fins that you have instead of feet, dumb piece of shit"

>>10552686
There are more than enough cute jpop dances or things trending on tiktok in Asian countries that would be good for lolita, like rinrin has some cute tiktoks. I think it could be cute.

>>10552699
I shall check them. I dont like rinrin though

>>10552709
I think I like her personality and appearance but something about her vibe is off to me. I feel like I'd be her friend IRL but her presentation online is more sanitized or normie than who she really is considering she was/is friends with Safiya Nygaard

>>10552674
things that are ok for people 25 and older to do
>wear lolita

things that are not ok for people 25 and older to do
>dance

??

>>10552712
what did Safiya do? I don't keep up with youtuber dramu

>>10552686
Ok but most of the time you literally just see their face bobbing up and down, no bouncing skirts.

Lolita tiktok is pretty disappointing overall though, it's really bad out there.

>>10552731
Not drama, just that Saf is super quirky and weird and Rinrin doesn't really seem to be weird in her vids and posts so it makes me wonder if she's kind awkward and funny and whatnot irl like Saf

>>10552747
what sort of lolita related content do you want on tiktok?

>>10552764
lolita silhouette challenge

Elizabeth JSK is getting another reservation round along with the blouse and bonnet. It doesn’t do it for me like the OP does though.

>>10552767
How would it work? Isnt part of the silhouette challenge sometimes taking clothes off? That feels weird.

>>10552769
I love it but am still not sure if I prefer pink or red...I hate those mauve ribbons for some reason but red doesn't match my wardrobe except generally being old school.

>>10552769
something about every elizabeth rerelease makes it look more like a taobao replica

>>10552786
are you retarded LMAO they meant actually showing the silhouette of the fashion instead of 15s selfie vids

>>10552798
I know they were referencing the lolita fashion silhouette but I know also that people are like doing another challenge on TikTok called the silhouette challenge so I was unsure if they were trying to blend the two

>>10552796
You've explained my feelings pretty accurate

>>10552769
The jsk goes to 100cm bust, but the blouse goes to 90cm. I don't really want to pay $200 for a blouse I have to unbutton under the dress, but it's also the prettiest part of the set and buying the dress without the blouse feels half-assed. IW's recent oldschool-style blouse is a good consolation, at least.

>>10552796
I feel that way about most rereleases of old school pieces, or modern old school inspired pieces. I think it a lot of it has to do with the volume/length of the skirts, they seem more tailored to modern poof standards which makes them feel inauthentic.

>>10552764

More lookbooks, aesthetic videos, hair and style tutorials, coordinate breakdowns. Just look at other fashion videos on tiktok or even other lolitas on instagram have better video content than whatever crap I'm seeing on tiktok.

>>10552769
btssb gimme the set in black/black plssss

>>10552798
No, I was actually joking about the current silhouette challenge that's going around

How long does JetJ usually take to respond to emails ? I think they sent my order to the wrong address. Did anyone else have a similar issue with them ? How did it go ? I remember someone having the same problem a few months ago.

>>10552769
neo old school releases look so cheap and costumey they can never compare to the original

>>10553335
I think it's a combo of the photos and styling and the fact that the bg in this image looks literally photoshopped in

>>10553335
I wonder if it's the material. Seems like the material in modern pieces is always shiny.

>>10552944
The 10cm difference is intended so that the additional bulk added by the blouse fits under the jsk, anon. It's not that hard to figure out.

So if you didn't fit the blouse you won't fit the set anyway.

>>10553335
I agree, I feel the same way about the recent IW revival releases. The shapes and materials are all off.

>>10553424
IW revival is made of POLY w t f

>>10552756
Kind of outing myself here, but I think it's because she's very sensitive about how other people perceive her. I was briefly a mod for lolita_secrets ages ago and a friend of hers personally messaged us requesting that we not allow her to be posted because of that.

Anybody have issues with Clobbao lately? I emailed them a few times since 1/22 (over 2 weeks ago) and they still haven't replied. Also sent them 2 messages on facebook. The first one was read, the second one was ignored.

I know Chinese new year is coming up but a fucking reply would be appreciated. When do I send the "answer me now or I will do a paypal dispute on x date" email?

>>10553424
That makes no sense. The blouse fabric isn't 5cm thick, it's not a quilted winter vest. I fit all my 100cm jsks and 100cm blouses, but there's no way I'd fit a 90cm blouse.

>>10552769
>>10552796
>>10553335
Old enough to remember when old-school was current and I think it'll always looks a little bit ita in a modern day context t b h. I think you need a lot of self-awareness to pull it off. Kinda like those diehard gyarus who still wear Alba Rosa, but that's just, like, my opinion, man

>>10554321
>When do I send the "answer me now or I will do a paypal dispute on x date" email?
At the 18th because CNY is over by then. Having said that, their hayday is long over.

>>10553233
Check the archives. I don't remember the details but their customer service is shit. Good luck anon.

>>10555905
I've already checked the archives but I couldn't find much more than I already knew, that's why I was hoping some of the anons who had a similar problem were still around. They still haven't replied to my email after a week so I've tried messaging them again using their contact form this time. Damn, I really hope I won't have to open a dispute with them.

>>10552769
>>10552788

I hate those red ribbons on the pink version. Why baby, why. Hope we'll ever get it fully on pink. I don't want to buy a brand new dress and blouse just to take the goddamn ribbons off.

>>10556052
It's because EMS shipping is still deadlocked, since December. You'd have to wait that long one way or the other. They're probably swamped desu.
Send them a friendly reminder, ask if you can do DHL shipping [If you're willing to break out another Benji] and you might get a response.

>>10556088
I'm from Europe and EMS still ships to my country. I wouldn't be worried if there was just delay sending my package, my problem is that they've already sent it using a local delivery method and that it's marked as "delivered" somewhere in Japan.

BTSSB - SA・KU・RA Cafe à la mode
2 JSK cuts, 1 OP cut, 1 blouse, 2 hair accessories and 1 pair of OTKs.

Colors:
>Cream
>Light green
>Red
>Black

Reservation period: 12th Feb 12:00 JST to 15th Feb 12:00 JST
>https://babyssb.shop/category/select/cid/964

Meta - Hidden Princess In My Memory OP
Price: 53,900 yen (regular size), 57,200 yen (plus size) (tax incl.)

Colors:
>Black
>Offwhite
>Bordeaux
>Purple

Material: Japanese Koshibo Chirimen (100% polyester), raschel lace fabric, raschel lace, chemical lace, satin ribbon, bijou charm

Regular size:
Length: BC-92cm(36.2in) / BNP-96cm(37.7in)
Bust: 86cm(33.8in) ~ approx. max 120cm(47.2in)
Waist: 75cm(29.5in) ~ approx. max 105cm(41.3in)
Skirt Length: WL-60cm(23.6in) / HW-65cm(25.5in)
>https://metamorphose.gr.jp/en/product/6133

Plus size:
Length: BC-99.5cm(39.1in) / BNP-104.5cm(41.1in)
Bust: 98cm(38.5in) ~ approx. max 148cm(58.2in)
Waist: 88.5cm(34.8in) ~ approx. max 138cm(54.3in)
Skirt Length: WL-63.5cm(25in) / HW-69cm(27.1in) *High Waist:5.5cm(2.1in)higher from waist line
>https://metamorphose.gr.jp/en/product/6132

>>10556231
dropped pic

>>10556204
Baby delivering as always. Yellow and mint are both gorgeous but the way the print pops on black is divine! I'm not usually a fan of wa but I might actually cop this one

>>10556204
I can't decide between yellow or black being my favourites! I like the op cut the most but I don't like hime sleeves, which maybe is a good thing as with a binder on my bust is 90cm (why can't burando make their non shirring busts a little bit bigger, I'm not even a fattychan)

>>10556272
>>10556264

Yellow seems to be the color of the year for lolita brands in 2020 and even though I don't buy that colorway I'm hyped to see what else comes out and happy for yellow lovers.

>>10556204
>>10556264
honestly, this is how wa should be done. it has slight elements but it's not crazy. the OP is perfect. the princess sleeves give the "wa" effect and the waist bow kind of has an obi feel to it without being in your face.

>>10556204
This barcode fringe looks so ugly

>>10556204

Am I the only one not feeling this? The cuts seem too much for the already busy pattern and I'm really confused by the mandarin collar on top of the kimono bodice. The long sleeve op seems especially garish. I really want to like this because I was a fan of the original sa ku ra series but sadly I might pass on this.

>>10556315
>disrespecting Yui
ishygddt

>>10553233
I had the same problem a few years ago. I just never received my otks. At least it wasn't a dress... I dont want to get banned though so I just didnt press the issue.

>>10556318
Agreed. Wish there was a slightly simpler cut where you can actually see the print. I was wondering if any of the extra pieces on the JSK cuts were detachable but there's no photos showing that, so maybe not.

>>10556540
>>10556318
Yes the jsk collar on the mandarin collar detached, check the website. I think it’s under reservation, it’s very cute with the collar removed

>>10556231
is it just me or do these look a bit costumey?

secrets

>>10551570
.gg/T7fYZ8DfBB

I used to do most of my coord brainstorming on polyvore and once it shut down I never really found a good alternative. I know there were some much smaller sites floating around at the time but they lacked a lot of polyvore's features and catalogue of other items for ideas, so I never went and checked back on them.

Anyone have recommendations for sites now that are as good as polyvore was? Especially if it's easy to upload/clip and quick-edit images.

>>10556599
The high waist with hime sleeves ruins the silhouette, it looks like a big blob. With a natural waist it would be very cute

what do you do with brand stuff that's legit too damaged to sell? I've got a skirt with a makeup stain that won't come out and a jsk with some sort of rust stain around the waist from the belt.

I'd feel like an idiot selling rust and makeup stained items, but the print is mostly still useable on both. Make pillows or ironing board covers?

>>10557428
People would probably still buy at a major discount, but if you don't feel okay selling, then repurposing the fabric is the next best thing. Pillow and ironing board covers sound cute, maybe you could also make masks from the fabric too.

>>10557428
List it anyways. People will buy it if only to do what you said, make stuff out of it. I keep an eye out for cheap damaged brand to make kumya clothes out of.

>>10557428
>ironing board covers
Thanks for the ‘nam flashbacks lol

But yes, as anons above have said, definitely sell. It seems like people are always looking for spare print to repurpose into whatever

If someone would start to sew brand replicas of sold out/old dresses, but for dolls and sell them and post them on social media (with credit to the original), would it be disrespectful or frowned upon?

>>10557428
Just soak the stains in oxy for half a day and then wash them normally?

>>10557234
Fashmates is the only thing I can recommend beyond using ipiccy with your own uploaded pics. Old polyvore fag here

>>10557535
Fashmates looks like just what I need, thanks anon!

>>10557523
Chinese lolitas already do this and no one cares. You're probably good, anon.

>>10557473
Can someone PLEASE post the ironing board cover story/pic? For anons who don't know what we're talking about, some poor lolita's mom made one of her BtSSB(?) dresses into an ironing board cover without asking.

>>10557665
>Due to some unusual circumstances, I'm currently living in a partially-renovated house with my dad and his fiancé.

>His fiancé is a very sweet lady who is very thrifty. She makes all her own clothes and and will usually find a practical use for something, rather than throw it out (i.e recycling old bottles and jars to pot plants).

>I had a Baby The Stars Shine Bright Strawberry and Cherry Ruffle jumperskirt that I didn't wear anymore, so I was planning to sell it. From memory, it cost about $400.

>I put it out in the main room next to a pile of clothes I planned to donate to Good Sammies, so I'd remember to take photos of it for the sale. I then went away for a week to visit my grandparents

>When I came back, I noticed the pile of clothes had disappeared. Cool, my dad and/or his fiancé had donated them for me. But wait... Where was the jumperskirt?

>It was then that I saw the sight portrayed in the uploaded. My dress had been cut up to to make an ironing board cover and a tablecloth. I don't know where the rest of the material is.

>It appeared that my dad's fiancé had assumed the jumperskirt was part of the donation pile, and thought there was no harm in 'recycling' it for her own uses. In her efforts to pretty up the concrete-y wasteland of a house, she had unknowingly destroyed an expensive brand dress.

>Literally the only thing I could do in that moment was stare blankly. I can't even be mad at her, she had no idea.

>So now I have a BTSSB ironing board and table cloth.

>>10557671
I’m so sorry, anon. At least she seems to be a good seamstress, it would be worse if her work was ugly.

>>10557671
This situation makes me wish brands would make more household goods/non lolita clothes. How I wish I could go into my room decorated with brando wallpaper, get into my bed with brando bedsheets, whilst wearing my brando pyjamas and brando underwear. If versace and gucci can do it, why can't ap and baby

>>10557523
please i'd love that for my dolls

>>10557675
>buying bedsheets to make dress

>>10557671
>Literally the only thing I could do in that moment was stare blankly.

Damn anon I'm sorry that sucks. At least both items look super cute now. Brand just needed to be sacrificed to make it happen.

>>10557686
>>10557674
where have all the oldfags gone

>>10557694
to the farm

>>10557694
Yeah it's such a newfag thing to try and make someone feel better

>>10557741
It happened 5 years ago. It’s just a repost

>>10557694
Couldn't be bothered to correct them

>>10557741
lol

>>10557741
you are a newfag because you don't know what greentext is actually used for

>>10557694
This >>10557695

>>10557671
Old fag here. Why we hashin old content????

>>10558000
>Claims to be Oldfag
>Doesn't bother reading posts before it.
Having my doubts.jpg

>>10552796
Partially agree but photo quality/lightning/makeup trends does a lot

>>10553720
why do you type 'wtf' like that kek

JetJ - Le bouquet (ル・ブケ)
Price: 68,000 yen (tax not included)

Colors:
>Sax
>Pink
>Ivory

Size: 0//1//2
Length: 90//90.5//91 cm
Bust: 83//88//93 cm
Bodice length: 35//35.5//36 cm
Waist: 67//72//77 cm

Materials:
Front: 100% polyester, separate cloth (Tulle): 100% nylon, separate cloth (Organdy): 100% polyester
Lining: 82% nylon, 18% rayon

>https://juliette-et-justine.com/products/detail/428
Notes: Back zipper opening, waist ribbon removable.
Sales period: January 22, 2021 12:00 JST to January 29, 23:59 JST

>>10558692
Looks like JetJ hasn't updated the dates on their website. You can purchase it from 16th Feb, 12:00 JST to 23rd Feb, 23:59 JST, according to their Twitter. This is a flash sale, so they are selling the surplus from the production.
>https://twitter.com/J_et_J/status/1361523806162968580

>>10558607
i keep forgetting what abrreviations are turned into desu and such, so i write them all like t h i s

Anybody else getting the "We're sorry but something went wrong" message on LM right now? I'm trying to respond to a message about shipping but I've gotten this message twice now.

>>>/ck/15613453
fuck you, attention-seeking whore

>>10560905
??????

>>10557671
I'm soo sorry anon :( sending positive vibes, don't listen to the haters
>>10557695
what's the farm? kek

>>10560905
Eat my peach scented ass, anon.

>>10559759
Yes I’ve been trying to message a tracking number to someone.

>>10560908
some weirdo lolita posted a thirty tradthot thread on /ck/

I think I'm done buying from LM for a while. Y'all remember that girl who sold a bunch of dresses and then refunded them? Well I guess it's my turn to be shat on bc my refund keeps getting pushed back. Already filed a claim with paypal and Im pissed

>>10561504
her LM account was unverified so she can't do it again but yeah, no one has gotten their money back.

it's 5 people, $1,000 in dresses.

That reminds me, how come that girl who bought up a ton of dresses and ghosted and got like 30 negative feedbacks isn't banned? Have the mods just given up banning/blacklisting people?

>>10552796
>>10558600
Agreed. I think it's not so much the dress and its quality but moreso the lighting + photoshop + make up etc that makes it wayyyy too polished and clean to look like good old school. Probably a result of lolita brands trying to appeal to the Chinese market, which is why you are getting this taobao vibe. Just my theory though

I'm a straight male and I love looking at lolita pictures. It's not sexual at all, but honestly, I just want to wear these outfits. If I were a girl I would be a lolita. But I'm not gay, a tranny, a crossdresser, or anything like that. Is this normal?

>>10561524
Someone want to tell him about brolitas or

>>10561524
It's normal to want to want to wear something you think looks nice. It doesn't need to indicate anything about your identity. A lot of straight dudes would be more tolerable if they didn't worry so much about these sorts of things and just like things that they like.

>>10561526
I don't want to wear a dress though. I don't want to be a man wearing a dress. I don't want to be a girl either. I just think that if I were a girl, I would be happy, because then I could be a female lolita. Does that make any sense? I want to hang out with a girl platonically and talk about these fluffy cute outfits and lurk on the trade sites to cop rare and cute pieces. I want to post in these threads as a real girl. I've just discovered this board yesterday by accident but I'm enraptured by everything that's going on in here

>>10561528
Unfortunately, what you wear does indicate something about your identity. As an autist, I'm not exactly thrilled about this fact, but it's something I've come to accept. I'm also someone with a job who needs to fit in with normies. I know I could /technically/ wear a skirt to work and wouldn't get fired, but people would still look at me like I have three heads and I think it would make my life a lot worse than it already is.

>>10561532
It's rare but you could be a collector who doesn't wear. And if you end up growing out of the fashion it'll be easy to sell undamaged goods.

>>10561534
You can just wear it in your free time. No one said you had to wear lolita at work. A lot of female lolitas don't.

>>10561508
What an absolute shit show

>>10561532
Egg moment

Stop replying to scrote bait

Bummed what Paradiso is canceled for another year, but also a bit relieved at the same time.

>>10561520
She is, apparently there’s a technical issue and her profile can’t be changed to say “banned” for some reason

>>10561532
Did I lead you here from /ck/ nonny?

>>10561700
Why relieved? I was unhappy to read the news. I know it’s dumb but spring 2022 really seems very far away to me somehow.

>>10561524
No, it’s not normal. If you just discovered this board yesterday, you have no idea what’s really going on, you’ve just made some (incorrect) assumptions about ‘what’s going on here’. This post reads like you’ve got some weird emotional baggage that you’re unpacking onto ‘Lolita fashion’. It’s also more than a bit creepy that you’re ‘enraptured’. Ew.

>>10561532
>I don't want to be a man wearing a dress
>I want to post in these threads as a real girl
>if I were a girl, I would be happy
>I don't want to be a girl
You need to talk to a professional head doctor

>>10561537
Please don't encourage him

>>10561727
Every year has felt like 10 years recently, it's no wonder 2022 feels so far away.

>>10561532
You could do something like k.i.s.t.m, where you buy the dresses and coords out of them using a mannequin to take photos

>>10561820
Every year has felt like a month to me since 2011 and I'm only 25. I think I exist in a time warp. Hours have felt like minutes since then too. I've tried telling psychs and therapists about it because it really bothers and concerns me but they have no idea why I feel this way and change the subject.

>>10561727
Relieved because of the virus and not being sure how travel would be in June. Happy for it to be a little further off so more people get vaccinated. Sad that it will be 3 years since the last event. Hope we can both go in 2022 anon!

>>10561700

I can't believe I'm actually considering going now. I've been cooped up for so long.

>>10561826

idk I think a lot of people feel this way. pretty much all of my colleagues feel like they're in suspension and we're all holding our breath to see when things will go back to normal. and of course the more you want something, the longer it'll take to get there relatively as we're anticipating a return back. the worst part is that we didn't know when. now with vaccinations, it's slightly less improbable and there is a tentative date, but it's still ever so much in the air with all the new mutations going around. it's so unsure, i feel like my life has stopped and i kind of don't care for the time being.

BTB secrets just went up!

>>10561863
I think you misunderstood. Most people think things are taking forever and say last year was the longest year of their lives, but 2020 passed by me just as quick (well, quicker desu) as every other year for the past 10 years.

I've never met anyone who feels the way I do about time. People will say it's because I'm getting older, but I will literally sit down and lose 4 hours and it felt like I've only been conscious for 15-30 minutes despite not even being asleep and literally 4 hours passing me by. 10 minutes feels like 1 minute. I'll set timers for things like tea, so 5 minute timers, and it feels like they go off after less than a minute. I want my vaccine but I feel like I'll blink and it'll be July and I'll have gotten it already. Like, wasn't it literally just October a couple weeks ago? It's at the point where anticipating things makes the time warp quality worse - excited about a package I just ordered that'll get here in ~2 weeks? Feels like maybe a day or two and then it's here.

I'm wondering if it's related to dissociation? Like maybe I'm dissociating really hard and that's why time seems so weird. My time warp feelings became a lot more intense during/after my severely abusive relationship. IDK. I just wish it'd get better but it seems to be getting worse.

>>10561927
time goes by slower when it's filled with memories. a day when you learn a new hobby, try take-out from a new place, and have a video-chat get-together with friends will go by a lot slower than a day when you do all the same-old same-old shit. that's why the moments when you receive a package are the only blips in your timeline and everything else blurs by.

>>10561932
The moments I receive packages also fly by, I just used that as an example of how quickly time passes. It's not memorable, I will let packages sit in my room for a week because it feels like I just brought them inside. When I go on a week long vacation it feels like maybe 1 day. I spent 6 weeks of 2017 making great memories on a very long vacation, it felt like I was gone for like half a week or so. Literally nothing helps. A day at a theme park feels like an hour.

>>10561932
nayrt but it’s the opposite for me. my daily tasks drag on and fun days feel like they end instantly

>>10561935
and I just wanted to add, >>10561932 , I have tried take out from over a dozen new restaurants just last year. I learned how to cook/bake dozens of things I've never cooked/baked before. I also learned how to do cool stuff with the glow poi things. I started a garden and I have vegetables I tend to and get to eat.

Time still slips by and I constantly feel like I'm living in a dream.

>>10551570
I wish I could go to a lolita picnic and/or tea party and eat THC cupcakes/brownies/whatever with a bunch of pretty, well dressed lolitas.

Or even just a champagne brunch would be fun. Might even be better, since it'd be $50 a head and 21+, so all the poorfag and underage itas wouldn't be able to attend.

I really want 420 friendly lolita friends.

>>10551570
Does anyone have any tips from ordering from antique beast? How fast do certain items tend to sell out? How often does she open up the shop? Is there anything I need to know in advance? I’ve been browsing her shop and falling in love with certain pieces

>>10561946
Ugh wow I’m not a big weed smoker but I would LOVE a lolita champagne brunch where we could all get a bit tipsy together

>>10561950
I'd love to host a champagne brunch meet, only issue is I moved recently and was always a lonelita back in my hometown. I've never been to any meets hosted by my new local comm.

Would it be very weird for a completely new person to see about hosting a meet? Nobody in my comm has met me.

>>10561949
sign up for her newsletter, she'll let you know ahead of time when she opens up. she hasn't opened in almost a year bc of covid but might soon? you can send her an email through the site for questions that she doesn't answer on her FAQ

>>10561956
thanks, anon!

>>10561955
you could offer to host one as a new member to get people acquainted with you in person.

>>10561985
That sounds fun, but you don't think that could be narcissistic sounding? "come to this meet I'm hosting so you can meet meeee"

Eh, I'm probably overthinking it, I have self-worth issues and think everything I do or say is cringe or vain even though everyone assures me I'm wrong.

>>10561990
I don't agree, all they'd have to say is "I'm hosting a meet to get to know the new comm!" and not "I'm hosting a meet so the new comm can get to know me!" and it's totally normal and fine.

>>10561995
That makes sense, I guess I was just worried saying the former would be taken as if I said the latter regardless.

Tangentially related to Lolita.

I want to create a website to act as an interactive data repository for Lacemarket and other second-hand Lolita markets where someone can view a specific item's current market price, historic median price, normal price range, price history and quantity history.

Would this be something the Lolita community is interested in using before making purchases or sales?

>Why?
I want a project to put on my resume with that specific skill set and I may as well help people if I'm going to.

>Why Lolita?
People bitch about scalpers and pricing a lot.

>>10562171
I'd personally at least love that, sounds extremely useful.

>>10561508
Oh shit what? Deets?

>>10562171
This would be an amazing resource to have. It’d also help sellers a lot with determining starting bid and BIN prices since I tend to not know where to start with those even after looking through secondhand sites.

>>10562177
it was discussed in the last couple of online community threads, I'll go ahead and go bring it up there

>>10558692
>Front: 100% polyester, separate cloth (Tulle): 100% nylon, separate cloth (Organdy): 100% polyester
Fuck that.
>Lining: 82% nylon, 18% rayon
And fuck this. I have an older 100% wool Jetj dress with 100% silk lining that I'll never let go, and a couple 100% cotton dresses.They fit much better than all of the last now going on ten years synthetic dreck too.

>>10558692
>price is majorly jacked up
>all fabric is synthetic
Fuck JetJ’s Taobao looking ass.

Any good lolita fashion podcasts? Most of the onea I have found cover jfashion in general or have been canceled

>>10551570
Am I blind or does the lace on the green dress look white instead of ivory like the description says?

I'm craving this set in both colors. It's been a long time since a brand has put something out that I actually like. But because it's Meta I don't know if I should pre-order or wait to find it 2nd hand. On the other hand it would be nice to give money directly to the brand

>>10564858
Ugh, tea length looks shit on me. This is really cute though.

>>10564858
I'm eyeing the strawberry print in navy. I also like the solids, but I'm not sure if I'd like the koshibo chirimen fabric.

>>10564858
Support the brand directly and also spare yourself the anxiety or risk by not having to deal with waiting for secondhand.

>>10564858
Support the brand.

>>10564877
>>10564888
Yea, I've decided to pre-order the navy set, and hope the pink show up later

Anyone else feeling that burando releases have been especially strong this year?

>>10564965
Yes. 100%. At least for AP. Even their solid releases no longer make me sigh with disappointment even if they're not the style I want to buy, and the prints look good even if I am personally not a poly fan.

>>10564858
I'm glad tall-litas got something to wear for once, I'm jelly.

>>10564858
meta killed it with this one. does anyone know how long preorders will last?

>>10565036
The 3 frill dress has been up since Feb. 5th. They will keep it up until its all sold out. Sometimes they well restock an item like they did with the sweet berry gingham dress

>>10564858
I am really considering getting the strawberry blouse, it's adorable!

>>10564858
Just so you know, it looks like Kuroshiro Kawaii has this collection for preorder and offer payment plans. It might be good compromise! I hope you get it anon, I'm considering it myself.

secrets

I leave cgl for one year and suddenly there are 500 generals and all threads are dead

Is there a list of replicas out there that isn't just a short list of the well known ap ones? I've seen a lot of replicas within the past year or so on both the western and japanese market without being labelled as such so I'm getting severe trust issues.

>>10566409
Sort of related but are there any print classic replicas out there to watch out for? I figured not because there's not really any that hyped but I haven't kept up on what's out there for like 5 years.

>>10566318
Yeah not sure why they're are so many generals.

This board has always been pretty slow, it's only ever fast when drama is happening.

>>10551959
I agree with this except all of lolita isn't cheap, there are now tiers but price for luxury outfits has risen high. So now owners of dresses that used to be luxury look like the average lolita buyer which makes it seem less special.

>>10566430
mobileposters prefer to have generals because it's harder to keep track of lots of specific threads, and since the lockdowns lots more people joining boards and starting generals and people just kind of flock to them because smaller threads don't get as much attention.
I don't like it either.

>>10566426
The only one I know off the top of my head is Perfume Bottle. I'd imagine some of JetJ's painting dresses have replicas too.

What the actual fuck yall

>>10566600
And this raggedy shit looks like it was made from trash scraps

>>10566600
Depoopers found Lacemarket

>>10566600
>>10566604
I'm pretty sure it's a dude and as soon as I saw these listings they struck me so much as male effay wannabe designer who's had their ego stroked into thinking any lolitas would buy their shitty ~deconstructed garbage

Men really do be thinking they're hot shit

>>10566600
$185???

>>10566604
i can picture it in like a spooky ghost costume lmao

>>10566604

Next time I ruin my clothes I'll try this trick of naming it differently and slapping a super high price tag on it lmao. wtf is this person smoking?

At least you can see that the surviving lace is pretty bad on this before it got trashed, so no huge loss there. I wonder if he tried to make a bonnet, failed, and then set it on fire before deciding to try and sell it anyway?

>>10566632

Akira Isobe is hot shit. But yeah this guy is just shit.

>>10566430
So maybe it's slower because there is less drama because of the pandemic?

>>10566604
This is perfect for my Halloween coord of a lolita that got hit by a car on fire, but it's way too expensive for just one day in the year

>>10566463
I'm a mobile poster but I don't see how naming your thread a general is useful? I also feel like there are actually less posters since last year

>>10566600
Can I keep him?

>>10566632
God I wish I had the confidence of a below average male. Can you imagine a woman pulling a stunt like this in a male-dominated hobby? I'm waiting for him to spam lolita updates or other groups and get asspats for being so brave to challenge gender norms

>>10566604
ngl I would but it if it was £18, even then that's stretching it

>>10561927
ADHD makes time feel like this to some people.

I've always been the opposite. 8 hour work days legitimately feel like 14 hours or more. Things drag unless I'm genuinely enjoying myself, then it feels normal.

Is Baby's white/pink poodle mascot Candy-chan, and AP's white/pink poodle mascot Candy-chan, the same Candy-chan doing a brand crossover?

>>10566922
Truly depressing that you're right

>>10561927
you can definitely lose time to dissociation/depersonalization. you connecting it to your abusive relationship makes me think this is the case even more. just a warning, some of the recommended grounding exercises will send your dissociating ass into a panic spiral until your brain shuts off<3 loud ass music helps me

completely new to this. what's the best place to inexpensively buy a petticoat and bloomers?

>>10567254
Milanoo

>>10567254
devilinspired! they're really affordable, USA based, and black-owned :)

>>10567259
>Black owned

That explains a lot of their bad business practices

>>10567254
pettis, cheap but amazing - aurora and ariel. higher priced pettis - melikestea. they have bloomers and basic headbows too.

>>10567261
no literally lmao

every. single. time. I've made the mistake of buying from a black owned business (knowingly or not), I've had terrible experiences, damaged products, overpriced shipping, and SHITTY fucking customer service.

>>10567261
What really? My sides are gonna explode if true.

>>10567261
bait harder

>>10567259
what does it being black-owned have to do with anything?

>>10567261
They're not black owned retard

>>10567261
>>10567259
It’s funny seeing post like these after coming from the confessions thread which is full of circle jerking over how cgl is a really great place actually. is it really?

>>10567280
People assume that the racists are larpers or trolls, and then they say "we like everyone except for the larpers". When you can't tell who's being sincere about their beliefs it's easy to think that anyone who's saying something bad is trying to make the community look worse/is baiting

>>10567280
No, it’s not. Though since about 2018 there’s been an influx of SJWs flooding in from FB and crying about board culture/pretending that this isn’t 4ch

>>10567259
>>10567261
>>10567269
>>10567276
>>10567277
kek, you retards would take bait if it were your last meal on death row. NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

>>10566600
That looks like Frank Tufano, the carnivore whose gay porn account was exposed.

>>10567259
Thanks for pointing out who I'm not ordering from.

>>10567282
This is 4chan, a site made famous for political extremism and made for a weeb and his friends to exchange loli porn.

The "larpers" are the native inhabitants. The SJWs are a recent influx since the 2016 election when they thought that they'd be able to pursuade others political opinions by calling the racist people racist.

>>10567468
Ma'am, this is /cgl/, a board for lolita and cosplay discussion.

>>10567280
>which is full of circle jerking over how cgl is a really great place actually. is it really?
Did you read it? They're saying it's nice because you can be mean and direct when something is just bad instead of giving it asspats because else you'll be cancelled. It's often mean, but also often helpful. The point is not there are no racists or that everyone is so nice on /cgl. Even uncalled for nitpicks help you improve more than people just saying how good you are as long as you can separate their points from their attitude.

I feel the H&M x Simone Rocha collab is going to give a huge influx in people asking if it can be used for lolita soon. It's filled with these almost but absolutely not loliable dresses. Only maybe the headbows might make for cheap casual daily accessories. Also, weirdest pockets in a dress ever, let AP never do that please.

>>10566600
That's $20 cute, not $185 cute

Jesus

>>10567468
You sound autistic. Go outside.

>>10567553
>else you'll be cancelled

Nayrt but damn are people that afraid of being cancelled when it really has no impact on people?

Did anyone try for the BTSSB Elizabeth OP lottery? I missed the Japan so I tried for SF and haven’t heard anything yet. I don’t know of anyone who got it, so I’m wondering if anyone here has heard anything or seen anyone post about getting one (so I can quit refreshing my email already).

>>10567556
Wow I just looked it up and what absolute garbage. Also reminds me of my ita days when I got excited for pic related (yes, I'm oldfag). Thankfully it sold out so fast I couldn't make it to the store in time.

>>10567556
>H&M x Simone Rocha
Had a look and it looks like the most hilarious dog shit, like the designer is trolling. Some of the kids stuff is cute but that is because they're kids, this crap is completely unsuited for adults. Look at this ginger yeti in an ill-fitting robe, jfc.

>>10567888
The styling is meh and those shoes are some Dr. Seuss live action shit but the coat itself seems fine for cute casual wear. Wrong shape and not suitable for lolita but has the same vibe as a sweet coat to me.

>>10566100
i wanted to get all of this set and buying it through kskawaii by payments would've been easier but it looks like the preorder ended damn

>>10567927
I did it Sunday I think through PayPal and that was the day the preorder ended.

>>10567888
Gotta agree. Things for adults are not looking very practical even in lolita standards but also not like they would belong in more fancy settings either. And the actually wearable stuff is some minimalistic shit wtf.

>>10567284
>>10567468
People are racist because it's 4ch? Whut? Pretty sure 4ch was created as an English version of 2ch to post about anime.

I’m sorry but I just needed to share this somewhere.

>>10568283
who is this?

>>10568289
If you’re an oldfag or just like sweet lolita you’ll know.

>>10568283

>>10568242
They just want to feel cool cause they're so 3dgy don't mind them

>>10567282
It's an anonymous board that's been around longer than you've likely been interested in lolita in the first place. If you can't take the "BAAAW MY COMMUNITY IS BEING SHITTED UP" then take your hugbox company elsewhere.

>>10567280
>is it really?
It was kinda ok before the bait became super rampant these last 2 years. It's always been saltville city for forever though.
I also wouldn't take the racism too seriously because it's fucking 4chan. Even if they are being genuine who cares? its not like you can do much about it. We're all anon.

Sorry I don't know where else to ask. What would you call the skirt or dress that Madoka wears? Is it a petticoat skirt and then you put a skirt on top of it? What is the terminology you would use to describe it? Sorry I'm a dumb boy.

>>10568543

>>10537130

press 'x' for doubt. you're already in a wheelchair, how many more pity points do you need?

>>10568900
I'm sure no one have said that to her directly, but there is a group of anons who think glasses/canes/service dogs etc should match the coord

>>10568327
>>10568283
This heavy fake lash trend in makeup needs to die. So crusty

>>10568908
>service dogs

AHAHAHA wooow do they want someone to adopt a different service pomeranian/frenchie in a matching color for every coord and make them wear little clothes each time?

Forget ouji acessories, now we can have accessory dogs taken to a whole new level in lolita.

>>10568908

I haven't heard of the service dogs part but back when itaqueen was a trip some anons ripped into her for her pet greyhound not being kawaii enough. That was a low point imo, maybe I'm just biased and like dogs tho.

>>10569027
Shit like this almost exclusively only happens when people just want an excuse to shit on that particular person, though. I don't think anyone seriously cares what your pet looks like in relation to your coord.

>>10568908
Kek. But tbf if your animal isn't trained it shouldn't be there, and by god, my emotional support peacock will match my Triple Fortune coord.

>>10568908
i have glasses that match all my outfits actually. but that's because i am thrifty and got cheap ones.

>>10561946
Maybe we live in a simulation anon

>>10569468
Meant for
>>10561938

We have so many church prints, why not some sort of middle eastern / Islamic architecture print?The closest we have is that shitty Arabian print Souffle Song put out, but seriously it could be such a cooll concept.

>>10568242
You know originally there was dedicated guro and loli boards, right?

>>10570000
BABY already did one.

>>10570000
AATP Scherezade

>>10570000
asians relate christianity with the occult, plus the fact that gothic prints tend to take from architecture it's just a good match.

>>10570000
There's the 1001 Nights print by AATP

>>10570013
Oh..... I forgot to hit update before posting lol, don't mind me

>>10570000
I own Scheherazade and love it, but I too would love to see this more often, and gothicly.

>>10570020
Yeah a lot of aatp tends to be more fairytale sweet-classic looking than gothic

>>10570032
Those are my favorite pieces, personally. I can't stand newer-current AATP but I collect all their old late 2000's-early 2010's fairytale prints.

The baniran fabric most of them are printed on is amazing. I know they still do a release here or there on it but I wish they would go back to using it more, I'm tired of their sad poly sack dress releases.

>>10570036
A shame every new AATP thing that isn't ouji tends to be a disappointment. Captain Chris was cute as well but gives me slight furry vibes. I guess a big bad wolf works well as part of a duo with all the red riding hood BABY sets and dresses.

>>10570041
Setting aside the cringey furbait, I can see what they were trying to do, looking at the insane popularity of Usakumya/Kumakumya releases and trying to spark the same magic on the AATP side, but I don't observe gothic and classic lolitas being as into mascot/character releases like that. I don't think it's going to work out in the long run.

But lore wise, you're right, I can see that working. I wish they'd take it in a more whimsical and slightly dark tone, playing off the menacing Brothers Grimm aspects of the wolf characters in fairytales rather than the cute plush and furry accessories route.

>>10570043
I think they'd have been better off doing a boy usakumya or coming up with a wolf closer to kumya styles in more masculine shades or something. I can imagine using the same template for a fox and wolf as well since foxes are tricksters in Japanese folklore sort of how wolves (and still foxes) are sly in western stories.

Imagine a Kitsunekumya or Ookamikumya? I think it could look cute and they could make Japanese folklore inspired prints using yokai stories or something as a theme without it being a full on wa lolita dress cut or shape...maybe my brain is getting way too ambitious but I trust them to execute a busy print like that well and the texture of their cotton is so nice.

>>10570047
I'm not going to lie, as a dirty filthy foxaboo I would absolutely have dropped everything to buy as much Kitsunekumya merch as possible.

Make it happen, Baby.

>>10570036
Captain Chris' Fantasy is on cotton, and the print gives me that storybook vibe. But their bust measurements are 6-10cm below Baby's, so as a tittymonster I'm unable to support them. I did buy a Captain Chris ring, and I love that it has the detail of the ear piercing as a moving part - it feels nice that they didn't cut corners with it

>>10570055
cont.

I also would have wanted Quiet Toys Room because it looks so unsettling, but the fatty cut did not have the ladder lace on it, it was just a completely boring sack. It's like they won't let me give them my money.

>>10570043
I like the idea of Captain Chris, and I like the clothing items well enough, but I will not carry around a stuffed animal, periodt. There's a reason people go gothic/classic instead of sweet.

>>10570130
IW just released huge teddy bears a while ago what do you mean? And tell that to people who wear multiple substyles, larper.

>>10570139
DA

"A while ago" it was like 2 weeks ago, anon. I think they've released a Frederick bag before but that was at least a decade ago I think and I wouldn't blame anyone for not knowing it since they haven't released anything like that in that long.

Also IW is the sweetest of the classic brands, they've always been doing the teddybear thing.

If anyone sounds like a larper, it's you. Stuffed animal bullshit is not the norm in gothic and classic.

>>10570378
Moitie has stuffed teddy bears they released in 2002. VM has released stuffed teddy bears in 2008 and 2013. IW released stuffed teddy bears in 2012 and 2013 prior to Rose-chan. Sure, maybe gothic and classic lolitas don't bring their stuffed toys out as much as sweet lolitas do, but that doesn't mean they aren't buying them.

>>10570411
Yeah, as room decor and collectibles. They're not bags meant to go out with you, or decorating your border prints, or ears and tails meant to be worn with your coord. That is the point here.

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>>10570411
why hasn't moitie re-released these?

>>10570413
so are coffin and bat bags not as kitschy as bear bags then?

>>10570416
All of lolita is kitschy. Kitschy isn't the point here and you know it, but those are some nice goalposts you're moving.

You sound like an absolutely assblasted sweet going through lolibrary now to prove a point that was never being made- yeah, there are stuffed animal novelties throughout lolita. Congrats, you found them. But the concept of wearing mascot characters on your person is not the same thing and is mostly a concept in sweet.

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>>10570417
NAYRT but the closest thing to a wearable mascot I can think of for classic/gothic is probably that one dog scarf. And that was released under VM's casual normie brand.

>>10570415
I don't know, they're adorable and I'd love to own one....

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>>10570419
Putumayo's barely even a lolita brand lol.

>>10568289
Cadney or something like that

>>10570423
And punk is a whole other kettle of fish

>>10570378

Ayrt (none of the other replies were me) but yeah I know it was recent which is why I said they "just" released them. And regardless IW is still a classic brand. No need to backpedal because multiple people pointed out brands of all substyles releasing cute stuffed animal shit. Some people have even suggested part of the reason many black kumyas use deep blue accents is partially to match or appeal to people who like to wear moitie blue. Not sure how accurate that is but considering most sweet brands don't use that shade of blue super often it's not crazy.

Plus many kumya owners in particular only wear them to events/keep them in their bedrooms as room decor as well, and use regular bags as everyday wear. Which is also partly why a lot of Japanese girls are always selling their kumyas with no straps.

>>10570423
Excuses. You're just kind of wrong. Sick of insecure gothicfags acting like sweets are any more embarrassing or crazy than any other lolita style to normies. The reality is you're not secure enough in your own style or sense of self so you criticize other substyles. Sweets rarely complain about other substyles, idk why the other two complain about us so much other than feeling like they need to overcompensate and cater to normies. It also doesn't address the fact that many people wear more than one substyle of the fashion anyway.

Not all classics/gothics but still, enough on cgl that it's annoying and old.

>>10570423
Lolitas of all substyles wear their bunny bag

>>10570420
Bro that's just a dog

>>10570420
Potentially a stupid question but what was their casual brand called? I tried to look it up and can't find it

>>10570668
Beth

>>10570531

Ok but how many times in a thread do I hear sweetfags shit on classic and gothic. Gothic is overpriced, Mana is a tranny, classic is so boring it's grandma fashion. Even to yourselves you try to distance yourself from various prints you view as ageplay by loudly denouncing those prints. Just face it, we're all neurotic insecure bitches here. No one is better than anyone else.

>>10570531
>Excuses. You're just kind of wrong

But how though. No one has actually bothered to explain how besides spamming a bunch of novelties that everyone knows exists and have nothing to do with the discussion?

When was the last time you saw a gothic or classic coord with a mascot character print, accessory or bag? It doesn't happen often because the mascots aren't to a lot of wearers' taste, which was the original point of the discussion if you bothered to actually scroll up and see that this was about Captain Chris. That is the discussion

No one was talking about sweets. No one was talking about normie reactions. This is about neither of those subjects. If you just want to rant about meanie gothics and classics the AP thread is >>10566115 that way.

>>10570788
The novelties were to show that there is a market for plushies in gothic and classic. So it makes sense that AATP produces items to fill that niche. People might buy it for display, or for themed meets. Who's to judge?

>>10570707
Nart but I literally never see any of that. No one here ever really disrespects mana and people refer to classic things as grandma like in a positive way as far as I've seen (we even had that silly grandma couch print camoflauge thread once), the worst I can tell is sweets mistaking classic and more casual stuff for looking normie when it's not and that's more newfaggotry than anything. I don't think all of one substyle or another is bad or insecure but I do see way more shitting on sweets than the othwr way around.

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