/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10610014
Example 2 - Dreamcon

A anime and gaming con that has physical sporting events. You can actually play sports while cosplaying! A novel idea for a person who are used to conventions in the DC area!

>>10610016
Oh wait nevermind.

And texas is 100% open.

Why bother going?

This is all virtue signaling to people who have no plans to attend anyway.

Announcing convention restrictions months ahead of time seems like a pretty stupid idea, and I can't really make sense of it.
Organizers that cuck themselves by setting an attendance limit when it isn't required by law seems really asinine.
There has to be some reason for this other than virtue signaling. I know some organizers like doing that, but they like money more.
I can tell you that Colossalcon's organizer (still Donnell, despite claiming to have stepped down) definitely isn't 'woke'. He's borderline retarded, and a bald manlet, but not woke.
There has to be some reason that organizers are doing this other than virtue signaling.

It's an unfortunate dilemma when it comes down to it, and a self-perpetuating one at that.
A con that doesn't have restrictions may be more enjoyable for the congoers, but comes at an extreme risk. The media is so intense today that a con that didn't say your standard "hide your smile, don't approach anyone, stop being human you fucking murderer psycopath" would be at risk of being flamed and cancelled. The media would call out that con and say that you'll die if you go there and so the con will lose a lot of business and likely lose all reputation. So what do they do? They make restrictions and say "maybe next year!" After all, the bottom line is money, and requiring safety measures will ensure that they get to keep their con afloat.

But the truth is that it's this mindset that has made the Corona last 15 months and counting. If everywhere keeps doing these restrictions out of fear, then society will never go back to normal, making more places have to continue restrictions. Texas itself broke free of this vicious cycle but I'd imagine cons there would still require all these hypocritical "safety" measures just like any other company.
This won't end until more people make it end and refuse to follow these asinine rules but there's too much to lose for companies without much to gain.

>>10610014
I think a lot of cons will still have covid restrictions because they fear liberal backlash. I kind of wish cons would keep attendance caps so they don't get so wildly overcrowded like AX.

>>10610014
They probably do all that to help protect them from getting sued if some web comes down with COVID. Because then at least they can say they put measures in place attempting to keep all attendees safe.

>>10610079
*weeb

>>10610077
>because they fear liberal backlash.
and moderates/independents. Idk why you guys always leave that out.

>>10610089

they aren't the ones that make waves/have activists masquerading as journalists always looking for blood.

anyways, Organizers have more than one vector to be afraid of in being ruined by reputation, by finances, personal damage, i don't blame them for being worried.

But fuck, Disneyworld stayed down for 4 months? and has been opening and running since? We should look at what is working, for crying out loud, not just act on only worst case worries alone.

>>10610014
It’s July 1st that Ohio’s restrictions will likely end, not June 1st. State Senate doesn’t get veto power until July unfortunately.

>>10610096
>We should look at what is working
we, well, obviously not you, but most of us are. You cab see the CDC guidelines here
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/participate-in-activities.html
and here
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/large-gatherings.html

>>10610096
>>10610119
oh, and to add, disney land and others had to make changes. Most cons either can't, or unwilling, to make these changes. We could have more cons if they were more adaptable to change, but they aren't. I'm sure there are legal issues too with contracts the larger cons sign too, meaning they either had to have things the same, or cancel it all. Smaller cons probably couldn't afford the changes like relocating the con fully or partly outdoors

Waiting for a BasedCon to just say fuck it, no restrictions. It'll keep the SJWs and liberals at bay, and we can finally go back to the good old days before "Cosplay is not consent: your guide to cosplaying while being a Black Trans Autistic" panels infested the place

In regards to the fear of backlash, I'm sure that's a concern....but there is already some amount of backlash against cons happening in 2021 as it is, regardless of restrictions.
There is a contingent of people with a "no cons until 2022" mentality that are shitting on any cons happening this year (and the people attending them).
These sniveling little SJW cunts need to be ignored.

>>10610119

the meaning behind >>10610096 was just to say that lots of 'cons' are right to be worried. Most people aren't aware that most US cons are just privately held organizations, usually owned at the top by individuals and those people have lots of personal risk tied up in the cons they run even without Covid, politics, and other factors piled on top.

Some people post around here like they mad at them for having worries in the first place, and thats really just bullshit. But I was pointing out that if Disneyworld (not land) can run and has lots in common with cons, they should be trying to copy them, not hide in a hole.

>>10610121
And nobody said DW didn't have to change.

>>10610126
Thats not going to happen.

If it does happen it will be anime matsuri (yeah a shitty con) or one in florida.

Too many conrunners are catering towards the coronachans. Almost all of them are lean towards a certain political leaning.

>>10610133
Then these cornoachans will scream no cons until 2023. Theyre zerocovid. And the media needs to be ignored.

Ah, /pol/tards. Never change.

Americans are seriously so stupid. The rest of the world is still in the midst of the pandemic, who tf do you think will guest at those events?

Just be glad you're not in the UK. We won't be allowed entry to cons unless we've been vaccinated. It won't really be a problem at the end of the year, but I doubt everyone will be vaccinated by the time cons start up again.

>>10610016
Why the fuck would I want to play sports in cosplay?

>>10610255
Enjoying lockdown europoor? Have fun forever seething about americans while they get to enjoy conventions.

>>10610255
>tfw Youtubers, Youtubers everywhere

I'm fucking glad AX is cancelled this year because I don't want to see high quality names like that fat Korean guy or anime cover bands as guests.

>>10610014
>Ohio lockdown ends June 1st
Sauce? Just googled it and I don't see anything

>>10610680
My mistake, it actually ends on July 1st

>>10610014

Once you get the vaccine you don't need to wear a face mask, yet el presidente still wears one... So even the top people in the government have no idea what the hell they are doing.

If you are hosting a con then you need to cover yourself because even the government can't get itself sorted out on what the official narrative is.

>>>/pol/ and stay there.

>>10610255
I have no interest in cons until they are able to get decent guests again. Why spend money for travel/hotel/ect for lackluster events

>>10610813
Do people actually go to cons for the guests? Wild.

>>10610804
Obviously he's trying to set an example. He is using his image and status to influence people. I don't even like the guy, but i know why he's wearing a mask.

>>10610014
But wait, there's more!

>>10610035
>Organizers who cuck themselves with a conversation limit.

I'm going stop you there bc a lot of these cons, colossal especially, has needed a badge cap long before covid for a lot of other reasons..

>>10614897
I wonder how bad this will hurt their attendee numbers, they're already a small con as it is

Something to remember is that many conventions are at the mercy of the contract they signed with the venue and if that contract was made months ago, they may have full pre-vaccine rules in their contract. That being said, remember that it is still possible to carry and spread corona even if you are vaccinated, which is why many people still want you to wear masks. It's about protecting others, not yourself.

I think by August anyone who wants the vaccine should have gotten it by then. Anyone who is immune compromised and can't get the vaccine should use common sense and avoid large gatherings. If the issue is children under 11 not being eligible to get the vaccine, don't bring them to a con.

Things will get back to normal very soon but these next couple of months are going to be contentious at best.

>>10614897
I thought Abbott blocked vaccine requirements? Not that I agree with that, but.

>>10616993
The thing is, con organizers are listing restrictions for cons that are many months away, and this almost always includes mandatory masks. ReedPOP has already done this for all of their events through the rest of the year. The Star Wars Celebration already listed a requirement for masks for their con which is OVER A FULL MOTHERFUCKING YEAR AWAY.
A lot of this goes beyond anything that would be in any sort of contract and is pretty clearly a virtue signaling thing. I'm not sure why there would be any sort of restrictions discussed in a contract other than something like "all state laws and regulations must be adhered to" anyways.

>>10617001
I believe that only extended to state organizations and the such. I'm pretty sure any other businesses can do whatever the fuck they want.

>>10617005
Most cons that have strict rules about prop weapons are imposed by the venue and often have little to do with state laws. The contract always state that members of the convention must agree to and follow all rules set by the venue. There's also generally a stipulation that the rules must be posted on the convention's website and in the con booklet (if they have one). I don't see why this wouldn't include mask policies.

Fucking hate all these lockdown schizos. Theyre all white trash on welfare who want their gibs to last forever.

It's just cons setting restrictions because a large amount of congoers want to wear masks. I've seen the comments on the twitter threads for some of the cons and how many people have shat their pants about it (ie. NYCC's reveal that they're going along with the con this year). This is doubly annoying because the CDC is fine with people doing whatever as long as they're vaxxed, and checking vaxx cards at entry to the con is easy enough. They definitely can just check vaxx cards and just go mask-free, but then people will complain about it.

>>10610014
Covid-19 procedures are about making others lives miserable. There's a reason why most people who take the vaccine are pedophiles or pedo sympathizers.

>>10618708
>a large amount of congoers want to wear masks
I feel like this "large amount" is more of a vocal minority than anything. And a significant percentage of those complaining are people that have no intention of attending the cons they're complaining about.
It's straight up virtue signaling. People that don't want to wear masks are often afraid to speak up about it, so you'll see less comments from that group of people.

>>10610014
>Has know the term 'con crud' since entering the convention scene.
>Everyone on the scene has had some experience of getting sick after a con.
>"Why are cons still so covidwoke?!"

It will never cease to amaze me how everyone is just babies now.

>>10618710
what

>>10618710
Wow you sound just like this psycho I know

this thread is deranged

>>10618710
Take the vaccine Kiddo

>>10618901
Honestly planning to continue wearing a mask to conventions. I haven't had a cold in over a year now. Not risking conplague again.

>>10618710
PUT THE MASK ON

>>10610014
Because there's no indication that we'll have herd immunity by June. Just because restrictions are being lifted doesn't mean a thing. Look at Michigan -- lifted all kinds of restrictions WHILE disease and death rates were going on, because the governor is a moron.

I'll be here laughing at you smelly losers when COVID cases and deaths go back up because of conventions and other events.

>>10619288
>Because there's no indication that we'll have herd immunity by June. Just because restrictions are being lifted doesn't mean a thing. Look at Michigan -- lifted all kinds of restrictions WHILE disease and death rates were going on, because the governor is a moron.
Thw cases are high because of the high percentage of vaccinations. People are selfishly getting the vaccination so *they* can feel safe, without any regard to the people around them.

>>10619325
You people have been wishing death on people for months now. You think conventions are the only large events?

Texas/Florida have had multiple larger indoor events for months now.

>>10618989
I'm with you here. Every con-based thread is like this. Extremes on both sides. It has to be a joke, right? Like, people gaslighting each other just for fun. Usually /cgl is a fairly sane place but it has gone to hell since things started opening back up.

You had the opportunity to get vaccinated.

I'm now fine with the anti-vaxxers getting sick and dying. Or ending up as crippled tards for life.

Just do it someplace else. Not at my con.

>>10617001
this was before that

>>10619031

When shouldn't you take it?

>>10610804
In my country after you get vaccinated you receive a leaflet saying that you need to continue mask wearing and socially distancing even after being vaccinated.

>>10616993
>it is still possible to carry and spread corona even if you are vaccinated,
It's super unlikely though. I'm pissy that that was the language that that news orgs publicized (similar with how they never publicized how unlikely outdoor transmission is). They didn't say "we don't have the data yet", they just spammed "there is no evidence it stops you from getting & transmitting the virus"
Now, months later, it seems pretty likely that it does an very good job of doing exactly that, but people are still arguing with outdated info because that is what got publicized for months on end

>>10610014
>We have vaccines and restrictions ending soon
*cries in 3rd world shithole*

>>10620773
>vaxtards are all going to die painful deaths in the next year or so

This is gonna be hilarious, it's like getting to laugh in front of someone with a fatal case of aids.

>>10622464
You shouldn't take it, period.

Looks like MAGFest is going the same route that BlerdCon is; requiring covid vaccines. They're already in talks about legal challenges Blerd is facing, along with how they are going to deal with hotel contracts moving forward. Already starting to hand out staff bans for objectors.

>>10624209
>MAGFest
>requiring covid vaccines
Could you cite this? Or are you staff? There hasn't been news for months and I'm eager to hear anything (reliable)

>>10624234
former staff, keeping tabs on the shitshow. their JIRA security policies are an absolute joke. Discussions with Blerd are still in progress, but the entirety of mag upper staff are super-COVID paranoid. They love hitting people with the "no politics" rule anytime someone brings up vaccine discussion in MAG's discord channel. it's also looking like they are considering corporate sponsorship due to funds being really low.

>>10624242
>>10624234
JIRA page, with names blurred.

>>10610650
>anime cover bands as guests
common, those are fun

>All these conventions in 2021
Fucking hell, can't you fags wait another year when restrictions will vbe almost non-existent and 99.9% of the population will be vaccinated?

>>10626303
Spreaders gotta spread.

>>10626303
even california is opening mid june don't worry about it bro

>>10626303
>99.9% of the population will be vaccinated
kek
Come on anon, I know you don't believe that. Vaccinations have already slowed way the fuck down, and it's clear that around 20 percent of the country has no intentions of ever getting the vaccine.

>>10610014
>Why conventions are still going covidwoke?
peer pressure by sjws.

>>10626502
Yet they have no cons.

>>10626501
>>10626502
>>10626576
>Mfw only Americans believe the pandemic is over

>>10626704

Further proving America is the only country in the world that matters.

>>10626760
>Most cases and deaths
>About to experience another wave in the fall
I have more respect for leafs and Aussie shitposters than idiotic burgerturds like you.

>>10626945
yeah man second wave any day now its coming please stay inside and distance yourself or you're dead

Its been a year, we're still here

>>10627201
>>10627201
>Vaccine wears off
>American arrogance takes over because hurr durr fuck vaccines and fuck the scamdemic
>Cases and deaths begin to climb again
>Government has no choice but to lockdown and shut everything down again
>Everyone is back to square one
>No cons ever again

>>10610255
Not a burger but I don't even care about guests, I just want to fuck around in cosplay with my friends again

>>10627723
>I just want to fuck around in cosplay with my friends again
You could have done that at a park.

>>10624209
>>10624242
These people jerk off to the idea of Roe v. Wade letting them get abortions but forget that it actually gives people a right to medical privacy. Then they act surprised when they can't go around demanding proof of vaccination without infringing that right.

>>10627702
Begone, Doomer-chan

>>10627726
Wearing cosplay at a park vs wearing cosplay at a con is like comparing night and day. At a con people expect you to be in cosplay, while at a park you'll get some glares and side glances. People might even call the police on you depending on what you're wearing.

>>10628068
>Getting glares and cop calls from wearing cosplay at a park
I'm sorry you live in a 3rd world shithole.

>>10617007
No, actually, a business doesn't have the right to deny service to specific groups, only individuals.
So if they allowed you to go maskless with vaccine, or wear a mask, and not doing either could get you kicked
But saying people with a specific, continually medical status can't come in, it's a violation

>>10626303
>99.9% of the population
We'll be lucky to even reach 70%

>>10610804
What about all the breakthrough cases? In Napa County (CA) a woman died last week directly of covid and was fully vaccinated; she's the 32nd case in that county to catch covid after getting the full round and it's being called "normal" by authorities.

>>10616993
In general, most places with "convention center" in the name require you to arrange cons at LEAST one year, if not two years in advance. So yeah; probably they are all at the mercy of rules from months and months ago.

>>10619288
Herd Immunity kicks in between 40%-70% of a population being vaccinated. Most models suggest it's "smart" to leave some segment unvaxxed, so you don't accidently steer the bug in question into evolving into a vax-proof variant.

>>10628481
Also note that no one can legally make you share your private medical information. Your vaccine status is part of your private health record (in US) and it is protected under the law to remain private unless you give EXPRESS permission to share it.

>>10628497
>What about all the breakthrough cases? In Napa County (CA) a woman died last week directly of covid and was fully vaccinated; she's the 32nd case in that county to catch covid after getting the full round and it's being called "normal" by authorities.

Nobody is making the case that the vaccine is a perfect shield. She had at least 2 co-morbidities, and leaving that out is disingenuous.

But that said, she is the first out of tens of millions. The numbers game continues to be in favour of vaccine over mask-alone, but if people wanna wear one, who the fuck cares. There are other airborn things after all, not just Covid for petes sake.

>>10628497
>Your vaccine status is part of your private health record (in US) and it is protected under the law to remain private unless you give EXPRESS permission to share it.

in theory. In practice Hippa is not impossible to pierce but thats probably unrelated to con stuff. The real worry is a change in law.

But thats not what >>10628481 was talking about either. And they are wrong too.

>a business doesn't have the right to deny service to specific groups

yes they do, as long as they don't belong to a protected class as the basis of that group. That basically means race, sex, religion, genetic status, national origin, pregnancy status, age, veteran status, and disability status are the only ones on the face that can't be refused because of a certain status.

I can't believe people are willingly to pay so much money to be crammed next to other people. Gross!

>>10610077
Hope you get it

>>10628453
You would get what I'm talking about if you went outside for once instead of RPing as someone who does

>>10610077
Liberal backlash = people that won't attend anyway

>>10610077
Organizer can't feel an obligation to public safety seeing how 'con crud' is already a well known phenomenon. It's just a response to >liberal backlash

>>10628658
More like fear of liberal backlash of those who have no real intention of going.

Looks like a kid-free Convergence!

https://www.convergence-con.org/2021/06/convergence-2021-the-stuff-of-legends-will-proceed-as-scheduled/

>>10628561
Nayrt but majority of the vaccine skeptical won't get it because we aren't landwhales like you. Cope, seethe, and eat a salad.

>>10630685
Masks in august during the summer.

Apprently another convention that does not want money.

What's the point of a vaccine again?

>>10628497
what they can do is if you don't show them your info, treat you as being non-vaccinated. legal workaround!

>>10630870
Air conditioning, how does it work?

>>10630944
> what they can do is if you don't show them your info, treat you as being non-vaccinated. legal workaround!

Depends on the state. With Texas they made it where you can't ask if someone is vaccinated or ask for any proof that they are. If a con says you have to have proof you are vaccinated but is in a state like Texas then they legally can't do it.

>>10631019
I don't think the law in Texas says you can't ask, it just says you can't be forced to be vaccinated (specifically in public or state run contexts)/that you can't be discriminated against by government or municipal entities for not being vaccinated. A con isn't a necessity or forcing you to attend and if they wanted to enforce covid policies independently could probably set it up at ticket sales or check in that you can choose to voluntarily submit medical info, but if you don't want to, as an anon mentioned above, they might treat you as non vaccinated and refuse sale/check in according to your policies, or require you to consent to masks.

In reality private businesses can do whatever and just tell people to fuck off since you don't have to pay to attend this event. That will impact attendance but oh well if that's the kind of con they want to put on. No one is entitled to a maskless or all masked or vaxless or all vax con and if you want one or the other then just pick the ones doing what you want and attend those or stop whining and fund or organize the con you want to see. You have the freedom to avoid or not participate in cons you disagree with. Reeeing over policies of optional events because it's not your perfect weeb dream is retarded.

Even if you tried to legally challenge a con doing something you don't like odds are against you obtaining an injunction to halt the event and you'd just impact the con's policies for next year potentially, not be able to change things this time around, or get some sort of settlement but every con isn't exactly swimming in excess profit so the odds of seeing cash from a settlement are low or you'd just bankrupt the con to the point they shut down completely and never have the chance to be what you wanted cause it won't exist.

>>10631049
There may not be another year if they actually implement these BS measures, many of them are in the red because of lockdowns

>the other then just pick the ones doing what you want and attend those or stop whining and fund or organize the con you want to see.

That would be easy if the anime con scene is not ideologically homogeneous. Almost all anime con runners lean one side of the political spectrum. The only convention that is completely back to normal is Anime Matsuri and a lot of people hate the convention because they won't bend the knee to SJW-ism.

>>10631049
>In reality private businesses can do whatever and just tell people to fuck off
So it's fine if someone doesn't want to make an LGBT cake, right? Just making sure we're on the same page

>>10631063
I personally think that if a business is not providing a relatively necessary service, like groceries, food, medical care, car repair, etc. I don't see why anyone would want to force someone to make them serve them if they know they are hated, but I understand why the law is pretty blanket about anti-discrimination in an attempt to not have to police it in each individual industry.

I'm bi and if I got married and a bakery was like "fuck off you faggit", I'd just tell my friends they suck and then take our business elsewhere. Technically regardless of my opinion though the law explicitly states what a protected class is, so legally there is a difference as people who have volunteered to not get vaccinated (as is their right) are not a protected class with an immutable characteristic like race, sexuality, etc. That'd be like trying to tell a business they can't discriminate against you for choosing to be a smoker, when businesses are allowed to ban smoking to make their environments more hospitable to non smokers or people with asthma or whatever.

So like, if you want to fight it all legally, just remember what I said at the end of my other post: it likely won't change anything immediately and in the end the con may just shut down anyway. Like I really don't see besides being broke (which is a you problem) what is stopping people from organizing the kind of con they want instead of just whining about the fact that those with the money and resources to put on a con aren't catering specifically to them, masks, no masks, or not.

>>10631058
Okay then go to Anime Matsuri? Sounds like the SJWs you hate are steering clear of it anyway?

>>10630685
>Minneapolis
Good luck and stay safe

>>10631067
Theyre more likely to show up and protest you for going.

>>10633494
Hahaha bullshit! Theyre too scared from cornoa to even go out to protest.

>>10610099
Ohio's health orders officially ended on June 2nd

>>10633630

>>10638038

>>10628651
Liberals and mentally ill fucks will ruin the con scene for good.

>>10638460
And they finally got their chance in 2020-2021.

If Con runners won't wake, and will not wake up, it's game over.

>>10610255
Eh cons never have guests I care about anyway.

>>10610014
>>10610035
>Have an outbreak of the Delta version of the Trump Virus
>The epicenter is traced back to the con
>Reputation craters faster than the economy using trickle down economics
They also put the cap early because they have no idea what restrictions are going to be when the convention is so it's best to play it conservatives.
I don't get why you would want to help actively spread a high infectious virus that while it doesn't kill young people, it will fuck up their lings and heart. Why would any conventions want to take a risk of killing or crippling their customers?

>>10610014
>>10610035
>Have an outbreak of the Delta version of the Trump Virus
>The epicenter is traced back to the con
>Reputation craters faster than the economy using trickle down economics
They also put the cap early because they have no idea what restrictions are going to be when the convention is so it's best to play it conservatively.
I don't get why you would want to help actively spread a high infectious virus that while it doesn't kill young people, it will fuck up their lungs and heart. Why would any conventions want to take a risk of killing or crippling their customers?

>virtue signaling
Election tourists showing their ignorance. Enforcing policies to keep the attendees safe is the opposite of virtue signaling. The only way it could be even less is if they gave out vaccines to the Trump Virus at the con.

>>10640367

>it will fuck up their lungs and heart. Why would any conventions want to take a risk of killing or crippling their customers?

Not common at all. If we're going to fixate on vaccines being extremely safe and ignore rare side effects then we should do the same for covid in young people. Literally any virus could give you those same lingering side effects for a year.

There is a reason why they stopped AstraZeneca for young people, the risk profile for covid (really small) vs vaccine induced blood clots was bad (really small).


>Have an outbreak of the Delta version of the Trump Virus
>The epicenter is traced back to the con

Dude have you been locked in your room this whole time?

The shit going on in bars in cities for MONTHS NOW far eclipses any small shitty con. Sporting events have been going on in Texas/Florida in unrestrained capacity for months.

It's impossible to contact trace once you're beyond a few infections a day. Unless it's to publish shitty articles about covid outbreak caused by X wedding when it literally could have been a dozen other things that person engaged in during the week.

>>10640586
>Not common at all
So you're going to just gamble on the fact that about 30% of people who have a serve case of the Trump Virus suffer long term damage to their organs?

>Comparing a single event to a daily meeting spot.
Strugis called, they've blown up your claim. Also the problems with contract tracing were the sheer number of people, the delay in getting test results back, and how wide community spread it was. Saying you have only a few days to trace is bullshit.
>Texas and Florida
And they required masks when they first opened, oh look, just like Colossalcon.

Now if you're talking about vaccines, in the ideal world everyone would get the vaccine and the Trump Virus would go to the way of Small Pox. The problem is there's a huge anti-vaxxer movement and now because of them and people being lazy or no longer having a sense of urgency to get vaccinating, they aren't. So dropping masks now would be a terrible idea since the anti-vaxxers are much more likely to go around without masks and again, having your convention be a super spreader event is not good for your reputation.

I'm not even sure what your angle is, let the Trump Virus just spread again? Since that's what your argument is implying.

>>10640635

>So you're going to just gamble on the fact that about 30% of people who have a serve case of the Trump Virus suffer long term damage to their organs?
30% of people who were hospitalized, overwhelming majority of which that are old as fuck and sickly in general. 90%+ of it don't realize they ever have it. Also the idea of 'long term damage' is bs because 99% of these studies looked at something like a month out..

Also you mean gamble on normal everyday risk of life after getting vaccinated? Yeah I'll be fine, I was fine before the vaccine too, but I erroneously took it thinking it would drive things back to normal but I didn't realize how grim the situation had gotten. I didn't realize the only reason America went even close to back to normal was because of anti-vaxxers pushing hard. Countries and locales that vaccinated the best have the strictest restrictions. I commend their sacrifice.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

People's risk profile has completely gone out of the window with non stop media blitz about covid. I wish people would take fat fuckery half as seriously as fucking covid then maybe we can put a dent in heart disease deaths that will make covid look like a blip for years to come.

>Strugis called, they've blown up your claim

Yeah you mean the spurious media driven hype study that was bullshit? Show me the MASSIVE spike from Sturgis. Here is the nice thing about contact tracing in America. If it's something you disagree with you arbitrarily make up shit about it causing a spike without needing to really prove it at all. You make a bunch of articles based on a made up source or new shitty not peer reviewed study and then you never mentioned it ever again. Everything I disagree with? Contact tracing showed it caused a spike, thing I disagree with? No way those month long protests in dense city centers had 0 contact traced cases.

>>10640635
>And they required masks when they first opened, oh look, just like Colossalcon.

Colossalcon isn't a great example to use here. Prior to the con they said they were going to require masks in a few areas of the convention (not the entire venue, though).
And then they didn't even end up enforcing that. I recall that in the dealer's room (where masks were supposed to be required), only maybe 20 percent of people were wearing a mask.

The same sort of thing goes for the sporting events in Texas in Florida that were mentioned. Take a look at some video of those events. You'll see plenty of unmasked people.

>>10640746
At the end of the day, a non profit business does not want to be the epicenter for a virus like this. That's great that these other businesses made that choice to operate however most are things like bars, sports, restaurants, or places that needed to run to keep their doors open. I'd like to add in that it's not just about the attendees health, the staff can have compromised immune systems. If you counter with "bUt GeT mOar stAFf" it's not always that easy. Not every event has the staffing pool.
I'm going to say this much, I understand that this whole virus may not be important or worthwhile to you however it's important to others regardless of what the media is shilling out. By the way, heart related deaths aren't always curable and it doesn't happen just because you're fat. Many extremely healthy people still get heart related problems because of genetics.
Also regarding the protests: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/06/9876068/protests-covid-spike

>>10640923

>Also regarding the protests

Everyone knows that, you aren't smart for posting one of the millions of articles posting about how dense gathering of hundreds of thousands of people across urban centers caused absolutely no covid cases.

No one is ever going to post a study or article about the protests causing a covid spike. You only are allowed to talk about things that tow the party line.

That's the nice thing about ideology, you just work off a script and madlib the rest.

Bunch of retards in here get a fucking life loser

>>10640746
So your argument is the classic conservative 'It won't be me' As for Trump Virus 'long haulers', that's been very well studied on the multiple systems it can attack.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-long-haulers-long-term-effects-of-covid19#:~:text=SARS%2DCoV%2D2,palpitations%20and%20rapid%20heartbeat.

>Moving the goalposts to be about infection and deaths and not long term damage.
Into the trash it goes.

>Blaming the media for having people actually understand what a threat the Trump Virus is.
You really sick in the head.

>Let me move the goalposts on Sturgis.
No.
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/sturgis-biker-rally-linked-to-260000-covid-cases/

I get it you're pro trump virus, and probably part of coup terrorists in the US who want more people to get sick and die to hurt the economy after your side's coup failed so you're looking for another way to slime back into power, you can keep distorting the information and siding with anti-vaxxers, but that won't mean everyone will side with your death cult.

People calling it the trump virus when it originated in china and spread because their government wanted to deny it

>>10643117
Instead of a competent government response, he made it all about him.

"A fucking moron." -Secretary of State Rex Tillis

>>10610126

People were a lot thinner in those days too. I miss it terribly.

>>10643117

It's levels of cope that are honestly unfathomable, anon. These people have the koolaid going straight into their system via IV access. There's no helping them.

>>10643117
Trump was the one who funded the bioweapons lab where it was developed and then didn't cut off the funding when he was alerted to the problems.
Why shouldn't we call it the Trump Virus when he also actively covered up how deadly the Trump Virus is and then played politics with medical supplies and tried to gaslight his way out of the pandemic he created?

If I have to wear a fucking mask at a con I will tell them to fuck off. I already let the government cuck me by letting their poison into my veins with that vaxx and it's still not enough?

>>10643275
You sold your soul and got nothing. Everything opened up once Fauci and Gates got cancelled. Fauci admitted he lied about everything in his emails. You took an experimental drug for a fake pandemic.

>>10640923
>At the end of the day, a non profit business does not want to be the epicenter for a virus like this.

how many cons do you think are non-profit businesses?

>>10640923
>By the way, heart related deaths aren't always curable and it doesn't happen just because you're fat. Many extremely healthy people still get heart related problems because of genetics.

thats a stupid remark. Thats like saying deaths in a car accident don't happen just because you dont wear a seatbelt, people who wear seatbelts still die in accidents because of genetics.

>>10643089
>cites KHN, a site that purports to be non-partisan, but has a CRT themed news section, and regularly has race-based policy advocacy articles

okay.jpg

in your whole exchange, i get that all you want to do is err on the side of caution. and thats up to you, but you are also a science and statistic denier, and are accusing anyone with a different choice profile despite it being factually arrived at as being morally deficit. You are acting in the height of bad faith in this way.

>>10643179
by this logic, shouldn't we ask who was benefiting the most by financial or organisational power with it opening and operating? One of the answers rhymes with Ouchie.

>>10643379
>how many cons do you think are non-profit businesses?
The percentage of anime and comic cons that are nonprofit is higher than you think.
Large conventions like SDCC, Anime Expo, and Otakon are all nonprofit. Plenty of small and mid sized cons are too. Check the status of your local cons, and you might be surprised.
It always seemed weird to me that a comic or anime convention could be nonprofit, but plenty are.

>>10643382
>It always seemed weird to me that a comic or anime convention could be nonprofit,

its more like people mistakenly assume they are non-profit because they have volunteerism as a major part of how they are able to operate.

>>10643389
If you volunteer for any con that is not run by a 501c(3), you are cucked

>>10643449
anons don't know anything about what those terms mean.

>>10643283
Otakon has a mask mandate and it's clear that they're keeping it.

Naka-kon in Kansas City has been going woke for the last few years. They started implementing gender neutral bathrooms, put a total kaibosh on "right wing cosplay" like Jin-Roh or Tanya the Evil. They had a whole "pride convention" in their discord with panels for tranny shit and other stuff that has no place there. Now they're saying they will be requiring masks, with 2 preferred, even if there's direct CDC guidelines not to be masked indoors. They also want people to provide proof of vaccination and will only be hosting 1/4 attendance with no game room and no at door tickets. Personally I hope this kills Naka-kon so Kansas City can get another quality con. We had Sausome-con but unfortunately it died out in 2019.

>>10643275
You WILL wear the slave collar

>>10643457
Sad but true.

>>10643449
A lot of people are poorfags whose time is only worth like $3-4/hour apparently so they're fine working 3 days to get a "free" badge out of it

>>10643449
>If you volunteer for any con that is not run by a 501c(3), you are cucked

it makes absolutely no difference what the tax filing status of a con is. It can still be run as a 501 and pay only a select few people out of the con's intake and its legal if your paperwork is in order.

>>10643457
including the anon that invoked it clearly, or at least understand how irrelevant to the point it is.

>>10643379
>This level of grasping at straws
I can now confirm you're a pro trump virus and supported the failed coup attempt at 1/6, we can only hope you get arrested before you engage in insurrection against democracy to install an authoritarian regime in America given your attempts to steal the 2020 failed.

Also Trump bankrupted himself 6 times, now going to be 7 due to his business now being indicted for financial crimes. He clearly sucks at business.

>>10643661

wow, you are fixated on Trump almost as much as Trump is...

have a nice nite.

>>10643680
You tend to be focused on direct threats to the country.
Or are you one of those people who have a cuckloid fetish? I know that's popular with conservatives.

>>10643661
>pro trump virus
You are one delusional faggot. Get some fresh air, Chang.

>>10640367
Rope yourself tranny you're on like every fucking board with this shit

>>10614897
>be vaccinated
>everyone else around is vaccinated
> WEAR MASK SO YOU DON'T SPREAD THE CHINAVIRUS
retards

>>10648892
That's the argument. If you're vaccinated why are they're demanding you to wear a mask?

It's a virtue signal at this point.