/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Like even their normal and pretty things like this lack... Something. Cuter fabrics? More complex construction? Taste? I'm not sure what to call it but it all looks so cheap

Like seriously what is this even going for

>>10656786
>>10656787
>>10656788
It’s not just DI (though they’ve had shit stock for a LONG time). Lolita prints in general is starting to look stagnant and ugly. Idk what’s going on, but they’d do well to hold contests and let the consumers design new stuff. I’m sure someone could come up with better stuff.

Ugh I hate it and I don't know why

>>10656791
Yeah it seems like they're going for too much in one dress. Like the print themes don't match the style or something, and there are too many cheap-looking embellishments. Metamorphose is still pumping out some good stuff though, but granted not their prints.

>>10656793
Looks like someone designed 4 different dresses and merged them into one

>>10656793
can't unsee

>>10656786
>Has it always been cheap tasteless garbage and I never saw it before?
Yes; your standards have increased

>>10656786
Yeah most chinese lolita is garbage. Not sure if it ever was better

>>10656804
>>10656802
Basically this. Clolita is generally garbage and half the time the QA for it going out the door is also bad, so you don't get what is advertised a lot. Infanta is notorious for bad QA. I never get what is advertised, even from the very beginning when clolita got popular 10 years ago. Without LJ reviews, these companies are getting away with a lot more crap.

There's some ok ones sometimes, but I think things are usually cluttered for prints, or poorly designed. Then the ones that aren't prints are always ? as well, because there's way more open to going wrong for just a design dress.

Nevermind that fact that I just realized Mary Magdalene likely went out of business from the severe amount of replicas that were being created of their designs from China. Even though the replicas were crap, their designs were easy to replicate for China. Nothing compares to their construction though, but now I hate Clolita a little more after coming to that realization yesterday.

>>10656786
I usually try to look at specific brands rather than everything, if you find a dress you like you can also look at the rest that brand produces, websites like devilinspired also don't often have everyhing a specific brand has so you can look on other websites.

>>10656806
>Mary Magdalene likely went out of business from the severe amount of replicas

hard disagree, the market for MM replicas and the market for genuine MM had barely any crossover if any. people buying the reps never would have bought from MM directly. they either couldn't fit into it, couldn't afford it, or didn't know it existed because they were weebs trawling amazon for jApUhNeSe FaShUn

I feel like DI is diversifying a lot more recently and seeing more non-lolita items/costume stuff/egirl shit so it just seems even more of a mess than a while ago maybe.

>>10656787
>off centre pearls
>neckline and hem have no trim, just a sad edge
>skirt part is boring construction wise
>maybe the piece looks cheap, or the flimsy hat and fake pearls make it look that way

Some trims and pintucks could've elevated this piece, so sad.

>>10656820
This is what I do. Order dresses from a couple of well-reviewed brands and if the quality is decent when they arrive, I bookmark their Taobao pages and just shop from them directly.

Taobao is propped up as an affordable option for poor-litas but with an EMS costs and SS fees, it hardly ever is worth it anyway with how ugly the dresses look most of the time.

clolita is tacky as fuck and anyone with any taste wouldn't be caught dead in it

>>10656823
Truthfully, I've seen far more than just newbies with MM replicas that were hard into the lolita community. It's been going on for a long long time and trust me it's not just newbies. A lot of the "prestigious" clolita brands all copied designs from MM and are still around, today.

Also I'd like to add getting lolita was not that easy 10 years ago when replicas started becoming pronounced and we lived with 'loliables' a lot more. You're living in a completely different market right now.

>>10656829
It's definitely a case of if you value time over money for me, taobao website is a bit difficult to navigate and you often need to be careful with the brands and do more research than buying second hand.

Do you have any recs for taobao brands you found were nice? I mostly buy second hand because i get tax to death when importing but i like to see what is out there, also sometimes you just find a dress you really love.

It sure smells like summer in here

>>10656857
QA does vary a lot more with clolita brands but in general I've been happy with my purchases from Fantastic Wind, Krad Lanrete, Orchid Lane, Surface Spell, Yillia, and shoes from Sosic shop. I've also gotten pretty decent blouses from Anna House but they aren't on Taobao

>>10656791
>Idk what’s going on, but they’d do well to hold contests and let the consumers design new stuff. I’m sure someone could come up with better stuff.
They actually already kind of do, there's a tag on Weibo where everyone can sell their lolita designs, and the ones with most likes usually get bought, it's just that the new generation of lolita has shit taste, old people usually don't go for Taobao.

>>10656806
I hope you know MM still exists.

>>10656865
Where?
http://www.marymagdalene.jp/contents/new/

I've heard a lot of rumors about them being completely closed down. I'd be surprised if there were stores open.

>>10656866
>>10656865
https://lolitafashion.fandom.com/wiki/Mary_Magdalene

>Mary Magdalene (メアリーマグダレン) is a japanese lolita brand focusing on Classic Lolita clothing. The brand went out of business in late 2019 for about year, but announced their return in september 2020.

This is not much of a return, honestly. So I doubt they are in business and the pandemic happening probably stiffled all capability to come back.

>>10656795
Ahhh thank you for putting it perfectly. Too much going on in a singular print. Metas cuts are nice but prints are still meh.

>>10656864
How unfortunate. Are the designs any good? I’d love to see an animal print that doesn’t center around cats, dogs, swans and ducks…..

Maybe capybaras eating fried chicken or something (yes it’s a joke… kinda)

>>10656863
oo, that you name fantastic wind makes me a bit happy actually, i have been eyeing an op (pic rel) from them for a bit so hearing someone say they are decent makes me feel a bit safe.

(to be honest though the design of this dress is appealing for me enough that even if the construction was flimsy i would probably be happy anyway haha)

>>10656869
The fact that it uses ruffles with very little lace makes it a safer bet too. Lace on clolita almost always looks like shit

>>10656899
>>10656869
I just wish they'd do something else besides those weird drop long sleeves. Why do they cinch it there? I don't get it. It looks so weird.

>>10656787
I liked this untill I looked at the details. It looks rushed and unfinished. Sloppy.

>>10656786
>>10656791
>>10656864
It's even worse when you look at news pages lile chinese lolita update. Looking at their newsfeed really is an eyesore since half of their posts aren't even presenting lolita items anymore, but cheap looking variants of school/sailor uniforms, idol costumes, punk stuff, qi/wa-styled clothing, vintage inspired stuff and bastardized crossbreeds of these. And so much fugly "idol" stuff. And if you look at the few "real" lolita releases that are left once you blend out the rest, you still struggle to find some decent releases that don't have this obvious cheap look to them or are awkward clusterfucks.

Not that TaoBao ever was a serious threat for japanese brands, but I until not too long ago, they used to have much more decent low budget releases that are atleast worth their money than the shit you see today, in my opinion. And I seriously wonder, where did they all go?

One of the bestsellers from their "Elegant Gothic Lolita" section
Glad I grew out of my phase of buying shit like this just because it's affordable

>complain nonstop about Chinese brands
>then also complain about baby/ap now being “shit taobao quality”

I think you guys are just slowly growing out of lolita fashion and refuse to admit it

>>10657250
Idk about you but i’ve been hunting like a madman for older AP and btssb i mean their new stuff is just total shit for real

>>10657250
Or you're just new to the fashion and own nothing but taobao or new lolita.

>>10657224
fucking this. It's so normie-cosplay inspired now. like the shit you'd show your parents as a teen to not floor them with how frilly lolita is. A lot of stuff feels cute enough for daily normie wear, but its 100% not lolita

>>10657254
Been here over a decade, nice try though

>>10657252
If you only like older AP THATS fine but it still shows a lack of interest in lolita to me. You’re clinging to a dead trend. I love older AP too but I also realize that the amount of AP in the world released in 2009-2014 is a finite resource. The dresses will get older and the fact that they’re currently trendy means they’ll pass around owners quickly and get even more strain on them. Eventually all that’ll be left is poor quality pieces still being sold for over $600+.

>>10657252
you can't tell the difference between cotton and plastic?
You can't tell the difference between the love and care AP/Baby put into their designs, fabric selection, lace etc?
You can still see some of the remnants in older bodyline made of poplin and non-synethetic velvet.
There is a distinct drop in quality, anon, I'm sorry you weren't around for the glory days but there was a time when it wasn't cheap poly everywhere

>>10657259
>Been here over a decade, nice try though

OK Larper. Anyone that is into lolita knows you're full of shit. If you don't own older dresses, that's exactly why you're on this soap box and that's exactly why you're a larper.

>>10657259
>me liking older ap and the styles that made lolita what it is today
>”you have a total lack of interest in lolita because its not trendy and there aren’t many left”

If i cared what is trendy and available i’d be shopping at forever 21 anon, nor am i trying to play collect them all…just collect ‘enough’

>>10657265
Yeah i wanted to tell myself it’s fine.but since i decided to become a lolita and change my wardrobe, i couldnt get into anything new that ap/baby put out, and ended up selling it. The material was weird, i didn’t love the prints.
I was a kid but i remember twinkle mermaid. It was weird. but you could tell ap cared a lot. So that was what i was expecting, when i went into the ap store last year. But it wasn’t, i was disappointed :(
I have fallen in love with antique beast however. so the loss of old ap/baby isn’t so bad

>>10657224
I went to Chinese Lolita Updates after reading this comment and holy fuck are you correct. Pic related

I hate these new doll heads they're using now, it's somehow worse than the overly edited plastic surgery monsters they used before.

>>10657266
Over half of my wardrobe is pre 2012 and I’m the first owner of it.

>>10657297
I’m just saying you’ll get burnt out eventually, same with all the bandwagoners who buy old pieces to hoard. A style can’t sustain itself purely on nostalgia. There needs to be some innovation and acceptance of new trends. You can still your head in the sand forever and refuse to acknowledge CLolita and modern AP as “true lolita” but the fashion will leave you behind

I don’t want to see the modern lolita community turn into the western gyaru community, desperately clinging to old outdated trends and eventually just dying off for the most part.

>>10657224
I wonder if the decline in quality releases you're seeing is somewhat related to CLU/Loki Doki Doki dropping brands that support Xinjiang cotton. For example, CuteQ is one of those brands and IMO they're pretty decent for a Chinese brand.

I do agree that as I'm looking through the new releases, most everything looks sub-par. Diamond Honey doesn't even sell anything that could possibly pass for lolita fashion anymore.

>>10657346
CLU has always listed many non-lolita releases. Loki Doki posts stuff that is more strictly lolita.

As for Diamond Honey, most gulls hated that brand and said it was ita, so why would them fully stepping away from Lolita be a bad thing?

>>10657350
I didn't mean to imply DH stepping away from lolita fashion is a bad thing. I know they've been the ita taobao standard for a long time so it's just weird/entertaining to see them step away from that and produce hideous designs in other fashion styles.

>>10657345
Ok but like chill and stop trying to dictate what i should do or accept?
I buy new from brands not AP/baby and mix it up with the older brand i already have.

>true lolita
I don’t care about true lolita or not, i will buy cute shit i like. If i wanted a polyester dress i’d go to leur getter, which has nicer polyester anyway. And some newer ap looks like pink house so i will just go to pink house too . and at this point i don’t see the point of thinking new ap is a good idea to buy

>i don’t want this i don’t want that

Life is gonna happen it’s not like you can be the lolita overlord. so either we will be the last lolitas standing or something new will come . Don’t worry about it

>>10657345
its shit quality. Poly is known as cheap for a reason. It's not like we are complaining that mulberry silk and merino wool is used now.
It's fiber thats known for being cheap and its not used in any creative way that cotton couldn't be used in.
It's not like AP has started to put out futuristic designs that can only be made in poly (the way CyberDog does). It's just a cheap substitute for quality fibers

>>10657351
They are still the Taobao ita standard.

>>10657338
It looks like one of those weird sissy mask things wtff.. That's actually terrifying

>>10657299
this is literally just e-girl fashion

clolita is a joke

>>10656788
idol lolita probably

I feel like in a way pre-clolita items still exist and get put out, but just like once a year. We should probably try to find brands that don't try to obviously cater to chinese lolitas and e-girls. Sad af when older F+F starts looking like brand next to nu-lita

>>10657345
The gyaru comm is alive though and theres a huge gyaru boom on tiktok anon

>>10657345
If I don't like new lolita why would I care if it left me behind? I just can't see myself caring even if the whole community crumbled because I'm in this for the clothes and I don't like the current trends. Even if moths ate my whole averagely 20 years old wardrobe I still wouldn't replace it with poorly designed fast fashion crap.

>>10657345
the only part of the jp gal comm that doesn't exist is the mainstream part. do you think everyone just throws out their clothes when they're not on trend? alt fashions like lolita and gyaru don't follow trends the same way as normie fashion. fashion isn't rigid anyway.

>>10657345
Maybe I'd still buy modern pieces if they actually made them in my size. Half the reason I wear old school is because it's small and short.

>>10658509
anon is one of those cringy larpers who equates lolita to high fashion/haute couture, even though it's not, and then acts like mainstream fashion rules and trends are applicable in lolita. she's probably the same type of idiot who is obsessed with lolita having normie appeal. honestly i hate anyone who think high fashion and lolita go together at all. plus, clolitas are the ones who do that because they equate price with quality.
high fashion as it is now, is just a form of direct marketing for the mainstream. celebrities wear/endorse products, and then it trickles down the wealth line in the form of fast fashion. it also influences the rigidity of normie fashion since the designers at the top control what fast fashion does almost directly. even if high fashion designers are inspired by alt fashion lolita follows some other alt fashion trends at best. plus, luxury bags and shoes look like shit with lolita unless they are those quirky novelty bags from like gucci that sometimes look cute. high end brand accessories like that are meant to be as neutral as possible, while still representing the brand. even the most feminine designs are "mature career woman" feminine and not girly feminine (even classic and goth are arguably girlier than anything for western adult women) and just make anyone look like upper middle class tryhards.

>>10657345
Idk I kind of agree with you. Like if this is what lolita is becoming then yeah you're right im growing out of it.

Also wtf are these captchas

>>10656793
looks like a kawaii lace bedsheet monstrosity.

I've definitely gotten more picky over the years with lolita, a lot of BOTH chinese and brand dresses won't cut it to me. Almost anything polyester is a no-go unless I'm head over heels for it. The rules of shopping on taobao are much more strict than "if you're on the brand site anything goes" so a lot of garbage comes up. Miss Point still makes cute things more than not, Boguta released a cotton skirt and blouse combo that is quite nice. Sibyl Heisei has some very cute dresses as well. These are shops that make solids in cotton. They won't stand out terribly, and they're not on trend. Taobao can be good for these types of clothing, and certainly good for accessories. If you spend 1/3 of the price of a brand dress, you're getting what you pay for.

Holy shit this Captcha is terrible how do any of you post here anymore

>>10659116
I wish Sibyl Heisei would restock again soon, I want that JSK so bad

>>10659121
Same. I bought the socks from this series last year and I want to grab another pair.

>>10659123
Do you know approximately how often they restock?

Dumb question but what is clolita

>>10659155
C for chinese

>>10659157
Ah, gotcha thanks

>>10659124
mm from my experience it's very sporadic, and they usually change things about the rerelease whether it be an updated design or new colourways, so it's understandable that it takes time. I wish you luck anon!

>>10659116
Dump of decent taobao pieces incoming to support what I said earlier-
Lost Tree - Witch's Time

>>10659171
The aforementioned Boguta set blouse

>>10659172
Miss point's Bavarian style Blouse with cotton embroidery

>>10659173
Sibyl Heisei's infamous "jean dress" but in the not ugly colourways- the matching bat sleeve sweater for this is so comfy.

>>10659175
Let's also not forget that fanplusfriend originates from taobao as well and has some solid pieces.

>>10659176
I was very surprised by how cute and comfy my Wheathouse coat is- it can be worn a bunch of different ways and converted to a shorter coat as well.

>>10659177
To Alice's clothes probably aren't the best, but this simple bow bag has been a helpful addition to my wardrobe.

>>10659178
Lovely Lota and Morning Glory also have bags I'm happy with, and let's not forget Angelic Imprint which has some pretty nice shoes.

>>10659179
As someone else mentioned in this thread CuteQ is adorable but also definitely supports Xinjiang cotton so it's up to your own morals as to whether you buy or not- I bought this piece just before then and still feel bad about it. I try to get "dubious as to where this came from" cotton rather than "this is definitely messed up" cotton. At least there's a chance.

>>10659180
And let's not forget Ista Mori's Nameless poem, probably the most iconic taobao dress. Ista Mori has done some pieces outside of NP tho, such as the pictured My Little Angel JSK.

>>10659181
And finally, FaeriesDaffodil's Cotton pieces are very nice. They release some garbo polychiffon stuff too, but then you have beauties like these.

I won't deny most stuff that is popular on taobao is cheap looking pieces, But I will deny it is all garbage. Imo it is simply that the market as a whole is trending towards overdecorating cheap poly and marking it up. I agree with the other anon that a lot of new dresses don't interest me aside from BTSSB's old school revival items and the rare VM or IW pieces. I do think lolita fashion is changing, but there is still enough of a niche within the niche to look for things of highER quality, even if not the best.

>>10659183

ugh this is the exact right amount of detail. Too often you get like 4-5 clashing details in tb lolita, but this is actually really nice.

>>10659171
I fell in love, anyone have the link?

>>10657674
>2021
>not knowing what bjd kigs are
Where have you been in the past 10 years? Ever since Lulu Hashimoto became model for jp brands, everyone and their mom has been using those.

>>10656866
I just got a coat from this year, they are very well alive.

>>10659124
AYRT, the series had a deposit around July/August last year and the store started selling the extras around December/January. That's when I grabbed the socks. Not sure if there's been restocks since then but I check the store every few months and it doesn't look like it. I hope they'll do a rerelease soon.

>>10659172
Just wanna say I bought the JSK from Boguta's cotton set in two colours and I love them so much, I've been wearing them both as a normie sundress (blouseless with sandals) and also as country lolita. I've had them for two weeks and wore each dress at least 4 times lol, I think I made an excellent investment.

>>10659191
Ayrt, here you go nonny. Live your time witch dreams.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w4004-12830258756.18.4a62740fLBWWY6&id=649755560188

>>10659268
Yes! I bought the blouse skirt combo and it's just so versatile and comfy. I'm glad you're getting good use out of it~

My method for looking for releases is to scour Weibo for different brands. There has definitely been a significant change in what is considered the lolita aesthetic.

Hoping to contribute to the thread with some pieces I thought were at least decent.

Pic related
Weibo - ZeeYe_在望
Taobao - 摩罗双子lolita

>>10659825
Weibo - 放羊de西西少女服饰
Taobao - 放羊de西西

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-21895407515.13.46b0728aSXRZSl&id=641285645102

>>10659346
Thank you!

>>10659825
This is lovely anon! Does anyone know if it's cotton or poly?

>>10659837
Nta, but it's whatever tencel rome is. The collar can be chiffon or poly.

>>10659825
NGL but man chinese lolitas can be ita as shit. I'm not really expected to see booba when I look at reviews for lolita

>>10659837
>>10659856
Tencel is similar to rayon, a manufactured natural fiber. I own another brand's dress made with tencel and it's nice and breathable, if a little thin and drapey.

BTW I'm proud of you anons who are stepping up and providing examples of nice lolita items from Taobao.

>>10659871
>BTW I'm proud of you anons who are stepping up and providing examples of nice lolita items from Taobao.
Same. I've been starting to think clolita is nothing but disgusting lately. Glad to see there's still some acceptable items. I would like it if someone maintained more uhh.. higher quality clolita updates because having to wade through the trash that other things update on is just a pain..

>>10659903
I've found that Clobba Online consistently represents top tier Taobao brands, so it may help to follow them on social media and check their website every so often even if you don't end up buying from them.

>sees the sanrio collection on DI
>it's actually really cute unlike the other ones
>turns out it's all plus sized
pain.

>>10659825
Yes! I'm the anon that did the mini dump and I was considering sending this one too but I didn't end up buying it so I wasn't sure of the quality.

Dear Celine's latest release is looking cute too. I have a thin coat from them that I quite like.

>>10660107
Also, allow me to gush about Miss Point a touch longer- I love that their velvet series is made of cotton velvet. I do plan on mayhaps replacing the buttons but overall I'm very pleased. They don't brag about their quality but it is very clearly above most taobao brands.

>>10660109
My most recent order from them was this OP I fell in love with, and I'll probably dump a couple more pics because I want them to be more popular.

>>10660112
Human Rose Velvet OP- they also have a non velvet pinstriped version of this series.

>>10660113
SK vest combo

>>10660114
French Rose JSK

>>10660116
Dropped my pic whoops

>>10660117
Ode to Morning Light Elegant Fishbone Lace Girdle

>>10660119
Moonlight Begonia JSK- you can change out the straps here in a couple different ways.

>>10660120
Another corset belt thingy

>>10660122
Sally's Garden OP

End dump, looking forward to more of their releases for sure.

>>10658498
I have that one very old f+f ouji blouse that basically every ouji had back in the day. Heavy cotton, thick and amazing quality lace, and it's held up very well over the years. Clolita/Clouji can't hold a candle to it (and I own some clouji)

>>10658498
I own secondhand old ass over 15 yealr old f+f cotton dress and it is the most cofmy shit I've ever worn. I get hot really easily so poly can go and suck it.

>>10660119
oh good lord I want this, could I have the link anon?

>>10660122
I wonder if these corsets have real or plastic boning..

>>10660206
plastic. Taobao shit is too cheap for them to actually use good materials like steel and the clasps are decorative. Dont put a lot of pressure on it.

>>10660208
Whalebone/imitation whalebone is typically considered better to wear than steel I thought? I vaguely remember Bernadette Ashman's corset video mentioning that. Could be wrong tho.

As someone with a predominantly classic wardrobe, I'm thankful that what good quality taobao is out there tends to be for classic. Feel bad for sweetfags though. Anybody got decent quality taobao for sweet wardrobes?

>>10660228
That 100% explains why all old classic brands are so cheap second hand. I was wondering why their prices got dumped on in the last 10 years.

>>10660215
Thats going a bit ot, but that isnt a common commercial choice. Usually the better choices will be using Steel (and is easier to get) and more decorative will use plastic or rigelene. That kind of corset belt is clearly too cheap to be using anything good.m

>>10660228
I think CC Cat, Dear Celine, CuteQ and Vcastle are pretty nice.

>>10660202
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.4d913b92eUabBh&ft=t&id=638713652390

Here you are anon :^>

>>10660206
It is indeed plastic as others have said. I own real corsets too, but embellishments like these are hard to find on OTR corsets unless it's from somewhere like Abilletage.

>>10660208

Japanese brands tend to use plastic too tho. Decorative corsets don't really need steel boning and there are tons of western and japanese created corset concepts that use plastic instead of steel boning anyhow. Personally I feel like if you're going to be using a true heavy duty corset it looks too much like underwear/shape wear and serves a better purpose as undergarments than the more modern interpretation of corsetry as decor.

>>10660286
CC Cat is going the right direction but the fabric quality looks worse than bodyline. Lmao

>>10660373
plastic is awful though because it warps easily if you so much as sit down, and is difficult to restraighten if it warps. im not asking for high end steel boning or anything but something that keeps its shape over time better than plastic is strongly preferred

>>10660407
I agree, however if you want a good corset that isn't cheap plastic your only options are synthetic baleen and steel, both of which are going to require a more delicate construction than plastic boning. If you are wanting something to keep its shape as long as possible you would probably want steel, and there are not a lot of corsetmakers making off-the-rack lolita friendly length corsets other than abilletage and MAYBE timelesstrends's waspie line, however it is incredibly simple looking and if you want something more fancy you would have to add your own embellishments. I have looked into this in length as I wanted some beautiful corsets as well. I really like the victorian corsets that are lacy and beautiful and wish a brand would incorporate that kind of style into a waspie length.

Sorry for totally going off on a tangent, I just don't think this is feasible for most chinese brands, let alone japanese brands as corsetry is pretty niche, and combining it with lolita is even more niche.

>>10659177
Is the fur trim on this removable?

>>10660557
It sure is anon! Good eye!

>>10659177
This is pretty cute and the versatility sounds awesome link?

>>10660952
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-1271070042.68.50b03e6861JCbc&id=606056300515
Here you go, non. Sadly there are few choices left but I'm sure they will do a rerelease sometime, especially if people are asking.

Jesus fucking christ

Also those miss point dresses are gorgeous

>>10664294
that's just a rococo larp costume, it barely even classifies as lolita imo

>>10664294
bjd dress or anime princess. nothing lolita about it.

>>10664294
Yes, everyone become Miss Point simps! I'm so glad, They should be way more popular than shitty ass soufflesong and their grainy prints

>>10659827

I don't know much about millinery, but thought maybe someone liked this type of aesthetic

Weibo - 猫匣lolita手作
Taobao - 猫匣lolita手作 复古
https://lmblolita.taobao.com/

>>10665868

Weibo - 喵艾卿CatHighness
Tao bao - 喵艾卿CatHighness

I'm not personally into Guro lolita or the back of the dress, but I thought someone would appreciate the embroidery on the heart patches.

Taobao page hasn't uploaded pictures of the dress, so I've linked the Weibo post as well.

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c-s.w4002-22382679793.62.7c70571b7p3pwo&id=650125225893
https://weibo.com/7096055293/KuPRpqRho

>>10665311
it's not lolita

>>10665880

Weibo - FaeriesDaffodil_原Fairy-Dress
Taobao - FaeriesDaffodil

https://shop114043900.taobao.com/

>>10665894

Weibo -SweetRainbowShop
Taobao - SweetRainbowShop

Some cute blouses
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-17377213975.16.14dd739atyytLd&id=567015107473

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-17377213975.18.14dd739atyytLd&id=570775623918

>>10665896

Weibo - Pisces_Dream鲤梦
Taobao - Pisces Dream鲤梦

https://shop517071956.taobao.com/

Sweet blouses

>>10664383
doesn't look much different to baby's 3k dresses

>>10665899

Weibo - 二十四会lolita工作室
Taobao - 二十四会Lolita工作室

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c-s.w4002-23633686714.18.29bd5711BZGfbW&id=653443661041

JSK available in 6 colourways

>>10665905
Baby makes floor length 3k dresses?

>>10670835
I don't think so? However a lot of the longer tea-length dresses are just as overloaded and wacky

>>10670835
Yes
>>10671200
Your n00b is showing.

This one is 4 grand.
>https://babyssb.shop/category/select/cid/359/pid/10975

>>10658498
Old F+F blouses were my go-to workhorse blouses when I was a daily lolita. I wish they still made them because they were also one of the few brands that put out nice historical-looking muttonchop sleeve blouses.

Anyway, you're right; whenever Baby puts out their solid rerelease items, everyone jumps on them and the materials haven't deteriorated so much.

Speaking of,
>>10659176
I remember when I owned the OG release of this and it was made from the worst, crunchiest suiting polyester ever, lol. I ended up giving it away to a friend I think. This one looks much nicer in every way.

>>10659175
Do you know if the sweater is real wool?

>>10659175
anyone have a link? I am in love

just received this from tinygarden and i'm really impressed with it, the material is solid, the construction is great. very tempted to get the blue linen version

>>10671289
I remember hearing people complaining about this dress coming in with awful construction and quality control last year. Did tiny garden step up their game?

>>10671320
ayrt, i didn't hear of any complaints about this dress, but i do have one other tinygarden dress which is "just ok." this new one is much better. still not brand quality but definitely feels worth way more than the $40 or so that i paid for it

this baby's on DI for $102

>>10671289
>>10671320
I was wondering the same, it seems this dress is all over Lacemarket NWT or only tried on so I'm quite dubious about the quality.

I want to know about the options there are for gothic on taobao. I know there is the popular krad lanrete but i have been eyeing up stuff from fox trot and was curious about the quality. The pic included reminds me of something atelier boz would release, but i have always assumed it would be probably look really cheap in person.

>>10671410
i've been also thinking about this skirt and think the print looks cute. I've also been thinking about getting a blouse from the same brand, but i am hesitant. desu, finding suitable blouses for gothic that isn't chiffon is quite the mission nowadays.

>>10671416
I always thought these shoes were cute, but my ankles say no. Only good for an event, and i don't really go to any.

>>10671410
same here looking for aristo skirts. i know surface spell has some some nice stuff still. they even have some medieval lolita which i love to see!

>>10671432
Uhh. Medieval lolita is not a thing

>>10671437
Anon, you know medieval is just a theme for classic, right? Stuff like pic related is just classic that's inspired by medieval clothing.

>>10671437
HAHAHAHA

>>10671448
>>10672151
Ah yes. So is bittersweet lolita a thing?

You see where I am going with this? It is not classically been a sub-genre in lolita as far as 10+ years.

>>10672172
But yes, keep thinking your chinese lolita garbage is defining lolita as a whole. I'm not going to inline argue with some newfags that think they have control of a Japanese fashion's definitions from China.

>>10672172
>Uhh. Medieval lolita is not a thing

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>10672174
>>10672172
>>10671448

I love u anon you can stick around :3

>>10672175
>>10672176
I imagine you're the same types of people who run off and say pop kei is not a thing as well.

You guys do realize themes are not genres, right? That means you can't call it "medevil lolita" that's like saying "bunny lolita" because there is a bunny theme.

Jesus christ. Newfags are stupid as shit.

>>10672186
They know it's a theme, retard. No one is saying medieval lolita is an entire genre of its own.

>>10672186

>>10672198
Well, yes, let's just start referring to lolita themes as lolita genres then.

So nurse lolita, bunny lolita, cat lolita, egyptian lolita, ring master lolita.

You see where I am going? Shut the fuck up, newfag. Learn english or get out.

>>10672214
Holy shit are you illiterate? Read the post you replied to. You're agreeing with them

>>10672214
Again, literally no one has said that the medieval theme is a genre.

>>10672214
anon, we do that already. it's like in the coord thread people will ask for all kinds of themes. chocolate themed, alice in wonderland themed, berry themed. it doesn't mean it's an entirely new subset of lolita.

>>10672225
Autist can't read sarcasm.

You might have just actually diagnosed yourself. Eureka.

>>10672299
No, anon. The poster you replied to would also be against calling things nurse lolita, bunny lolita, etc. They literally said they're not different styles, just different themes. Learn to read please.

>>10672312
No? We have all been trying to explain to you that there isn't any problem wity it. Calling something 'X lolita' doesn't mean anyone is trying to say it's a new fashion sub style. Medieval lolita IS a thing, just because you are too stupid to not misinterpret it, doesn't mean anon is wrong.

>>10672317
anon...... I think you've lost track of the conversation. I'm not even the person who thinks that.

>>10656786
sex

>>10656787
I wanted to like this. I really did. But the sash kills it for me.

>>10665894
Left. I'm getting the left one.

Disgusting

>>10677448
Lor should wear this to rvr kek

>>10677472
That would be perfect

>>10671289
You’d probably be less impressed if you figured out that this dress is just private label and you can get the exact same cut for about €20 from the manufacturers on taobao.

>>10677578
sauce?

>>10677578
Seconding sauce.

>>10671320
I actually bought one earlier this year. It was less than mediocre quality-wise and the bodice was a lot shorter than you'd guess from the stock images which I disliked, the hems of the bottom ruffles weren't as clean too. Maybe I just have ridiculously high standards, but I hated it so much I resold it for dirt cheap.

>>10656806
what does clolita mean? i'm old

>>10677649
chinese lolita

>>10677651
Does clolita refere to the dresses or the girls or the style of the dress?

>>10677792
The actual dresses, the style they're coorded in, the tendency to overly shoop pics in really specific ways, general "love nikki cosplay" vibes

>>10677792
dresses, the taobao style you know and love

*hate

>>10677808
>>10677811
I see, thanks for the clarification.

I remember when devil inspired was supposed to be fast shipping and reliable stock. That's why they were so pricey everything was already bought and in stock.

The last couple of years everything has been preorder or garbage.

>>10679511
They literally told me not to order my pre-orders and regular orders together because separating them is complicated.

Like ok, sorry for spending money at your store. I'll be sure not to inconvenience you with my purchases next time.

>>10679516
Wasn't this the exact some problems people were having with my Lolitadress and glitzy wonderland?

Glad I never bothered paying their markups

>>10679516
This logic confuses me. Why would you ever tell a customer they are too complicated?

>>10671225
ayrt, it is not, but I prefer it that way as I am the variety of person who reacts poorly to lanolin. I wish brands would awaken to the beauty of alpaca wool.

>>10679721
because they think they're entitled to free money without an ounce of work or effort

>>10656786
Those gloves look nice.

>>10679843
Ayrt, but same! So I'm glad to hear that.

>>10677448
dead circus kei

>>10656787
I dunno', this one is pretty cute for some daily wear.

The others are pretty bad though. The butterfly one could be cute, but I don't like the accessories paired with it.

>>10657299
This would be cute in the bedroom or at the club, but not walking down the street.

I think the answer OP after looking at >>10656793 is that everything they make looks like a cheap rendition of something Chi would wear when we all know Chi's outfits would cost at least a few grand in real life.

>>10656914
That's why I said day wear it'd be cute. Like, a dress that you can wear & get dirty. I agree though with some of the detailing it's sloppy. It'd still be a nice dress to wear painting in a public event, to the beach, hiking or some other activity that might tear up your good clothing.

Yes, before anyone says anything, while usually old clothing is best, there are times you might be doing any one of the three & want to look fancy like a date.

>>10680716
You sound like a larper.

>>10680743
How does that make someone a larper? Ita? Yes. Shit taste? Yes.

>>10680724
Has anyone made high quality verisons of Chi's dresses? I feel like that would sell like hot cakes.

>>10680746
If anyone voluntarily says they like ita shit, they might as well be a larper. Because they don't even have the taste needed in order to buy appropriate things and be considered a REAL lolita.

Fuck clolitas. You trash are just larpers.

>>10680724
get this groomer shit out of the thread.

>>10680716
it looks like 50s trash, it's not lolita.

>>10656793
I can't point out plenty of reasons why but we'd be here all day. It's an absolute cluster. The thing I hate the most is probably how the first tier of blue ruffles is just the goddamn print

>>10657259
>You’re clinging to a dead trend.
Imagine trying to put someone down for not following trends when they literally go out in public in Lolita kek. You can pry my cotton dresses away from my cold dead hands

>>10680724
>This would be cute in the bedroom or at the club
What the fuck shit taste would possess you to wear this in a club? Im not even going to get started on the bedroom comment

>>10680931
anon they're talking about >>10657299 which idk i think it would actually be pretty cute for going out i m o

>>10680937
I know they were. Have you ever set foot in a club before?

>>10680938
yes
>most likely more than you nonny

>>10680940
I highly doubt that since you think dressing like an edgy middle school mall goth to a club is normal.

>>10680961
Agree. Anon you're referencing just sounds like a fukken dumb larper scrote.

>>10680844
>Fuck clolitas. You trash are just larpers.
aw, u mad that chinese are the largest/main audience for lolita these days and even the biggest brands cater to them?

>>10681009
Well yes, duh. Everyone with taste is mad they're making brands put out polyester, cheap, ugly garbage. Clolitas wear low quality trash and really think they look like princesses kek.

>>10656786
Devilinspired is just a taobao dropshipper. And yes, except for like 5 dresses, taobao lolita shops have always been trash.

>>10681021
This

>>10681009
I'm just tired of seeing the garbage come out. Most taobao brands are not even good. So yes, a lot of us are mad because we're paying near to the same amounts or the same amounts for less quality.

>>10681047
What five shops would you say those are? The only ones I can think of that I like off of the top of my head are
Ista mori (for nameless poem), krad lanrete, surface spell, surface spell gothic and classical puppets for petticoats.

Jesus fucking christ just rename this thread to newfag general.

>>10680844
Larper. Live action role play. To role play something you're not.
Lolita. Someone that wears lolita fashion.

Someone saying they like or dislike a dress does not indicate that they wear the fashion or not. It makes no sense to call someone a larper based on their opinions of someone else's or their own dresses. Having bad taste does not indicate that they do or do not wear the fashion. Itas are still lolitas. Taobao wearing lolitas, are still lolitas. You're using a buzzword without realizing what it even means.

>>10681053
Itas are not lolitas. That's like claiming any offshoot from the fashion is 'still the fashion.'

Completely retarded. The rules are rigid and if you don't follow them, then it's not lolita. Congrats on outing yourself as a coping newfag.

>>10681059
Itas are specifically people wearing lolita incorrectly, but they are still wearing the fashion. Calling someone a larper just because you disagree with them on a lolita dress is retarded. No one is arguing the rules here, I'm pointing out that you're using larper incorrectly. You even said yourself "might as well be one" implying that not even you believe they are but just want to call them that because it's the latest buzzword you want to use.

>>10681059
This is the dumbest fucking argument. They're not pretending to be lolita, they're just wearing shit wrong. Larping is specifically pretending to be something else, like going on a board and pretending you know what the fuck you're talking about when you don't.

>>10681021
Why do people think China is "making" brands do anything? Japanese lolitas obviously are buying and wearing the new stuff brands put out as well, so they are also "catering" to their own home demographic.

It's just the western comm that hates all the new stuff.

>>10681059
itas are still lolitas, they just don't know how to do it right. that's like saying people who game a lot but are bad at it can't be considered gamers. a hobby is a hobby whether someone sucks at it or not

>>10681119
No. Itas are not. The majority of them do not buy the same clothes, look at the things they are buying, or coordinate them. They just throw some shit on and don't read up on the fashion. That's what your generic ita is.

>>10681129
do you think lolita is a hivemind hobby or something?

>>10681053
It's true. I don't wear lolita. I didn't once claim to either. I think they're chat bots to be honest.

>>10681108
Miss, I don't wear lolita. You're going on in an argument when the person you're arguing over doesn't wear lolita. I never once claimed to wear lolita either. You all very much jumped the gun, and I'm not sure what you are.

>>10681108
Miss, I don't wear lolita. You're going on in an argument when the person you're arguing over doesn't wear lolita. I never once claimed to wear lolita either. You all very much jumped the gun, and I'm not sure what you are.

>>10680969
I like to go walking in the park. Can you tell me what the weather in New York is like this time of year?

>ITT we talk about the weather.

>>10681136
ntayrt but why are you even talking like you know anything when you don't even wear the fashion
just sit down and be quiet

>>10681136
>Miss
get out scrote

hey why are men whereing this?

>>10681078
>>10681108
actually he's kind of correct. not all itas are actual lolitas. attempting something doesn't make it that thing but a bad version. ita in japan was meant to ostracize people from the community until they lurked more to learn or leave. ita is a painful ATTEMPT at lolita. use logic here. emos were attempting goth/punk but that doesn't make them actually goth/punk, that's why they have derogatory names for fashion posers. fashion isn't hard and lolita literally releases sets so any reasonable person can figure it out on their own.

>>10681140
There's other fashion styles in existence then lolita, you know. Might explain why I clicked on a thread with something other then lolita. Sit down & read about something other then lolita.

>>10660112
Omg I'm in love this is beyond stunning....

>>10681505
you were literally talking about lolita and itas shut the fuck up and stop backpedaling

>>10681569
ayrt! Yes, It seems even Miss point's old stuff is extremely cute. Since this thread is derailed it's time to send some old miss point pieces. Here's a fully wool vest and skirt set!

>>10681596

>>10681597
Their latest series is called "chocolate weekly" - Ill post some pics of it as well. I'm really only a fan of the blouse here for my own wardrobe but I do find it quite charming.

>>10681600

>>10681601

>>10681602

>>10681603
fuck dropped my pic like an idiot

>>10681604
There's a second blouse as well with detachable sleeves. Personally I love the pinstriped one because I'm biased, though.

>>10681605
Love the little chocolate on this beret, and the back is so cute too... wait till you see it!

>>10681606
It's got a donut on it!!! I've never had sweet food prints but I would love to make a chocolate wardrobe one day..

>>10681607
Next up are the mini hats~ I always appreciate that taobao brands often launch a ton of accessories with their main pieces. It's so hard to get ap necklaces and headpieces and such...

>>10681608
And finally, all of the other little accessories to add onto your coord. Little cookies, pretzels, breads, chocolates, a matching headbow, ribbons... What do you think, gulls? I think it's quite fun! I'll see if I can grab a print closeup too.

>>10681610
I cant believe i forgot to post the skirt! I love the fact that it has little ribbons on it that make it look like a wrapped chocolate box. Here's a coord the store has made as an example.

>>10681611
As promised, here are some print closeups taken from the skirt page. As you can see, the print itself has this little herringbone pattern on it which gives it some nice texture.

>>10681612
I do wonder what the text says- hopefully the english isn't too broken.

>>10681613
Last pic. Hopefully I have helped to steer us back onto the conversation topic of "not hot dumpster-fire taobao".

>>10681607
>>10681610
Most of this looks like hot shit from Etsy anon....

>>10681703
You're righr. Looks like AP accessories

>>10681596
This is adorable

>>10681708
AP accessories are garbage but even they don't just look like someone took a marker to felt. The donut on the back of the hat isn't cute at all, it looks like poorly designed clutter

>>10681059
Don't bother anon, this board is 95% newfags and the itas you're talking about by now.

>>10681596
I wish I'd bought a bunch of stuff from Miss Point back when they did a lot of inexpensive basics. Now they do more intricate stuff I don't care for all that much, or they do stuff that more lolita adjacent.

>>10657299
This looks like an advert for an anorexia documentary

>>10671289
Looooool this is the dress that a gull sold for like $5 last year for scraps because the construction was so disgusting

>>10681854
No wonder the ita thread is so barren. They probably think everyone looks good. "nitpick" comments ruin those threads but it really makes it obvious who is on this board now

>>10681703
??? Ayrt, i dont see how the chocolates and cookies look like shit. Pins like that have been a staple of food coords for a long ass time...

>>10682049
Those little assorted cookie pins are probably the only thing in that pile of accessories that don’t look terrible

>>10682056
Im not a fan of the middle bows and the cookie necklace to the right but i think the rest looks fine, no? It's quite literally just a headbow and some bow clips that match in theming. Maybe I'm just not sweet savvy. I would accept that.

>>10682378
I don't think you are. They look like someone just glued random shit on a cheap bow (which is exactly what happened). The colors don't even match the bows at all. The bread and chocolate chip cookies at the bottom look like cheap trash. The donut beret looks like cheaply made shit, and the donut itself looks poorly made and poorly placed.

The blouse in >>10681611 doesn't even match the skirt well, because they're different shades of brown. I think the only thing I'd consider buying is >>10681605

>>10682411
>they're different shades of brown
Wouldn't you wear a vest or bolero of the same shade of the brown on the skirt?

>>10682473
You could, but it would still be weird to wear the mismatched brown shirt with it. It's like wearing ivory and white together. It's bizarre they're selling them as a set.

New release from FaeriesDaffodil:
The lyrics of Ousten
short and long version- comes in navy/dark green/grey/dark grey

>>10682411
ayrt, yeah see I'm always used to doing some DIY on my own pieces, ripping charms off and fixing/replacing them, touching up stuff etc. like in terms of the headbow I would've seen if the charms could safely be ripped off entirely, or for the small charms I would go in with some paint to define them and then topcoat it with duraclear or something. The baguette looks needlefelted and I have needlefelting supplies so I would probably try to add some definition too. That's a fair assessment.

>>10682729
Closeups

>>10682733
Apparently it's a wool/poly blend, but I dont think they give the exact percentage so I'm iffy on it still. I love the design, but poly really never quite feels right on me.

>>10682734
I've fallen for these traps so many times. They are always thin pieces of shit that feel weird on my skin

>>10682734
>the blurry ass detail shot
a red flag right there

>>10682734
The pleats don’t even look good in these shots. Easy pass.

>>10683021
>>10683026
You guys think so too? Darn it. It's so cute but it's just too suspicious.

>>10683298
Imo unless its in person or from a Japanese brand I will not buy it.

>>10682734
looks thin

>>10656786
>Has it always been cheap tasteless garbage and I never saw it before?

>>10683424
Taobao is the equivalent of fast fashion for lolita and its gross how normalized its become.

>>10683486
Yes!!

>>10683486
lolita isn't much different than fast fashion. most brands stopped being made in japan long ago and fast fashion just means cheaply made, which it definitely is now for sure. people don't care about jfashion anymore, japan isn't the only place making kawaii clothes/media so it doesn't have the same importance anymore. china is trying their hand at promoting the same shit but with a stupid twist.

>>10683526
>fast fashion just means cheaply made
it's more complicated than that

>>10683532
Not that anon but the main point stands. But on a positive side, while lolita as a whole has similar issues to fast fashion in general with low paid sweatshop workers, cheaper material, and such, the consumers don't throw out these dresses as much as normal fashion which is the other half of the problem with it. Lolitas trade among themselves, repurpose, and alter their clothes for as long as possible instead of throwing them away after a month like normal people have been doing.

>>10683534
This. The culture behind the clothes, reselling, handmaking, altering, repurposing as a last ditch when a dress is beyond repair (which is rare desu), those all are positive aspects of the fashion.

Cheaper/lower quality taobao and some of modern AP has been trending towards fast fashion to a degree though. When the dresses are prints no one wants or the items don't sell out and the brand suffers or don't last long enough to survive multiple owners the way some shoddily made items do, it hurts the positive aspects of lolita that did manage to separate itself from the fast fashion cycle. I personally think weekly releases is part of that. Meta for example does mostly if not all preorders these days and I'd prefer that model to AP's pushing out something new every week even if it's not good or popular (many times even in the Japanese market) enough to be worth it.

It's not like they're transparent with how their clothes are manufactured other than a little sticker that says "made in ___". When my lolita fashion tears or gets worn out, I fix it even if it's taobao. In that respect, I think slow fashion is just as much a mentality as it is about sustainable materials and good construction. Something with enough fabric can always be tailored or resewn, and even if you want to replace it ie get the same version made but in better materials, you can repurpose the old one for something else, even if it just becomes cabbage.

With brand you might just be able to resell it to somebody who wants it more, yes, but if I truly love something I don't really let it out of my hands personally. If I'm that displeased with it, I'll see if I can fix it to a likable state first, before weighing my other options. I feel like a lot of lolitas just skip straight to the resell point nowadays, and that the culture has vastly shifted over the years. I especially agree with the point that AP is trending towards faster fashion, and wish they would be more like meta. I actually really like some taobao brand's way of doing things more than current japanese brands, in that they put up a design first and if enough people "like" it, then they will make it.
>>10683534
>>10683526
>>10683538

>>10683544
I do see the community leaning towards preorders and indie brands nowadays. I'm hoping handmade becomes more common. 2008 era western Lolita had a charm to it.

>>10683656
Agreed. I would love to see more of a resurgence of what made me fall in love with the fashion in the first place: pure and simple beauty with top notch construction. For now VM and some taobao is the only thing that keeps me going in terms of new releases. I've given up on Innocent world desu.

>>10683726
idk i like simple stuff but love cute prints and that's part of what i love about lolita too. you can have the kitsch and the classy looks and still have good construction

>>10683726
>some taobao

The irony of this in a conversation about fast fashion in lolita and how it's not good

>>10683656
>I'm hoping handmade becomes more common.
Me too, I'd rather buy from a local brand who's charging me a fair price for a well-made item rather than spend that money on a closet full of flimsy taobao stuff.

It's not gonna last a daily lolita more than 1.5 years anyways, even if she takes good care of her clothes. Truth is, most clolita simply isn't meant to be worn every day, it's costumes and ott "special occasion" attire. Of course there's a few exceptions that are very much wearable and okay quality, but that's just my overall observation from being in a comm full of taobaolitas.

>>10683534
>>10683532
>>10683538
Please explain what you think fast fashion is then. It doesn't have the same meaning as the standard definition from decades ago and it could be applied to modern lolita even if you do.

>>10683730
that's because taobao is just a website and we need to stop using it as a catchall or derogatory term. clolita isn't relegated to taobao, AP is clolita now.

>>10683753
Fast fashion is a term used to describe a highly profitable and exploitative business model based on replicating catwalk trends and high-fashion designs, mass-producing them at low cost. The term fast fashion is also used to generically describe the products of the fast fashion business model.[1] The fast fashion business model was made possible during the late 20th century as manufacturing of cloth became cheaper and easier, through new materials like polyester and nylon, efficient supply chains and quick response manufacturing methods, and inexpensive labour in sweatshop production and low-labour protection bulk clothing manufacturing industries in South, South East, and East Asia.

>>10683758
This decrease in quality, increase in purchasing, and speed of replacement creates a large amount of clothing waste—much clothing produced under the fast fashion model is lower quality thus harder to reuse or recycle. Moreover, the rapid and cheap production processes of fast fashion create increased pollution and other environmental and social impacts—i.e. pesticide use in industrial cotton growth, fossil fuel extraction for synthetic materials or slave labour in sweatshops. In response to these impacts, environmentally or socially responsible consumers and designers have begun demanding zero-waste fashion or sustainable fashion. This increasing trend is creating pressure on fast fashion companies globally to change manufacturing and sales practices.

>>10683758
>literally just gives anon textbook definition when she already shut it down
You can't read.

>>10683759
>>10683758
jesus fuck off. do you have autism?

>>10683756
AP isn't c lolita. They're a Japanese brand catering to a Japanese audience and somewhat the western or Chinese audiences too. The quality is typically higher than the vast majority of taobao. Even well made taobao is still often "fast fashion" not because of quality but the entire production cycle focusing on trends and pumping things out quickly. AP is more fast than slow fashion to me too despite the community having our own practices and habits but it's still a Japanese brand. Clolita is Chinese brands and it's not all bad and not all taobao is bad but so much of it is and so little of it even the cotton is good quality. If you shit on modern AP you need to understand most of taobao is overwhelmingly worse sadly, even though many designs are cute.

I'm not even an apfag, I prefer Meta and BTSSB but there are issues across the fashion that are a consequence of globalization and brands and lolita growing in popularity regardless of if the brand is Japanese or not.

>>10683758
>>10683759
Anon, this is just the outdated definition. Based on this, fashion ONLY isn't fast fashion if it's not mainstream or mainsteam oriented regardless of how it was manufactured. So egirl shit from china technically isn't fast fashion because it's not mainstream oriented. God I hate discussing anything with some of you.

>>10683760
>Please explain what you think fast fashion is then
>post answer
>Shut up!

>>10683764
nta but they switched production to china you know. anyway fast fashion as a term is just another thing that tries to pin accountability on the consumer (and well anyone alive now) for climate change. the idea that you as a consumer needs to care about what you are consuming just takes pressure off of companies and placates idiots who have such a limited scope of understanding of how manufacturing or anything works. even itt people are spouting off nonsense they barely understand because they think it's the right thing to do. if anything is worse for the consumer on a whole because they pressure companies to make bad decisions based on limited information that is being lobbied to them. you're being used by both being passive aggressively scolded for not being informed enough, and praised when you are informed enough to now buy their product instead.

tldr. fast fashion is just a buzzword companies use to trick consumers and horrible manufacturing lines from all ends have existed since factories came into being.

>>10683766
you know that's not what she asked. a definition is not your hot take and adds nothing to the thread. she even mentioned in her post not to just spew out definitions like a moron.

>>10683777
Anon that is literally what she asked and she did not say not to post definitions. She said definitions have changed over time, can you read? I already gave my definition, she questioned it, and I gave a further definition of the same one I was speaking with my own words. I don't know what you're looking for.

>>10683730
Hey man we all have our moments of weakness. I fall for designs sometimes and make mistakes but i always try to only buy things i will use for a long time, which often ends up being basics like blouses and socks.

>>10684468
To add to this, since ive started lolita ive used the same classicalpuppets petticoat s(back when they were good) this whole time, starching etc when needed. Its almost impossible to be perfectly slow fashion when even materials to make your own dresses have questionable origins. I try as much as possible within my means and lifestyle.

>>10683774
Just wanna put this out there, a lot of my recently purchased AP items say 'made in Japan' on them.

>>10684511
it's generally the mtos that are made in third world countries like myanmar or philippines, because of the much higher volume ig

>>10656786
Lolita is cheap tasteless garbage for pedo fetishists. It's well past time elegant cosplayers moved to something with actual...elegance. Look to Victorian styles and learn to pattern and sew.

>>10684813
shut the fuck up larper

>>10684813
>cosplayers
It would be better bait if u didnt include this nonny- you get a gold star for effort though!

Most lolita outfits are just horribly bad costumes. It's tacky and bad taste red flag.

If it doesn't look like something a normal person from the 19th century would wear, or if it is themed, then it's not clothes. It's a costume.

You already have plenty of costume lolita threads in cgl. Two of Alice in Wonderland and a Halloween themed thread. That is costumey.

>>10686807
This is probably just bait but….

You’re suggesting it’s a costume of what, exactly?