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>> No.10681928

>>10681923
I just want to say I love how the suburban aesthetic feels here

>> No.10681929

>>10681923
This is just a nitpick but I dislike the left girl's look, especially her eyebrows, they ruin it for me. They could've given her more interesting makeup and punk-style hair perhaps (like teased ponytails) but they decided to go with the most normie styling instead.
I very much adore the red coord though.

>> No.10681933

I wasn’t lucky enough to go but the whole collection looks amazing. Unfortunately, I’d planned on getting the blazer and estimated roughly Baby release prices for it, but like the anon in the last thread, a friend in attendance checked the price for me and it looks like I underestimated. It’ll be worth it for sure, they use really nice materials and the construction on everything I own from them is amazing, I just wish I’d been better at saving.

>> No.10681935

Everything looks amazing, just way out of my price range. I heard the OP is over £500

>> No.10681940

>>10681935
WTF are these prices?

>> No.10681944

>>10681929
The left girl is too modern looking and ruins it for me

>> No.10681945

>>10681935
no fucking way

>> No.10681946

>>10681940
Factory production is expensive. Stop assuming all indie brands should automatically be cheaper than JP brands, especially if their production is focused on sustainability and ethics.

>> No.10681948

>>10681946
500 bucks for a solid op IS too much. You can get Moitie cheaper

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>>10681923
this is obviously super cute, but it just kind of feels like a VW ripoff with lace on top. if it's 400-500 (as it should be, i know they're handmade) i'd sooner put that towards an original VW.

>> No.10681957

>>10681951
It’s clearly paying homage to the vw jacket but to call it a rip off is dumb. The tartan and white lace give it a completely different look and feel.

>> No.10681958

>>10681957
it's a rip off.

>> No.10681960

>>10681935
So the "Heirloom" stuff is going to be expensive, but is she also doing a release of her normal stuff?

>> No.10681961

>>10681923
That's Kiki Kannibal right?

>> No.10681962

>>10681958
It looks closer to baby than Westwood

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>>10681946
Sustainability and ethics is a meme. At that point 500 is so pricey it no longer will be profitable as no one is going to go buy these pieces when you can literally buy "vintage" for half that.

>>10681951
Reminds me more of Baby's take of Vw being ripped off than a vw copy itself.

>> No.10681964

>>10681957
VW made them in tartan, too.

>> No.10681972

>>10681944
Exactly, like, that's literally just another e-girl

>> No.10681973 [DELETED] 

Watch this

https://youtu.be/lS9X19BAoJQ

>> No.10681979

>>10681946
absolutely not true lmao, look at ANY other western indie brand and tell me that they charge over £500 pond (mind you that is $680,26 dollar)

>> No.10681980

I hate that she's once again getting away with selling stolen designs.

>> No.10681981

>>10681963
This is way more believable as a design rip off than the VW heart lapels.

>> No.10681982

500 for the piece of clothes where pattern doesn't match?

>> No.10681985

>>10681944
>>10681972
egirls think this is y2k fashion despite the vast wealth of commercial reels and judge judy episodes from the time period that suggest otherwise.

>> No.10681987

>>10681963
Agreed. I wonder if the exact 'sustainability and ethics' will be explained or if its just being used as a selling point with not much truth behind it. Does anyone actually know how the items are being produced/where all materials are sourced from etc?

>> No.10681989

>>10681987
Maybe check the RRM blog. I never read it but I'd be willing to bet there's more info there.

>> No.10681999

>>10681935
I had a feeling the prices were going to be astronomical. This is a problem most small western brands have.

>> No.10682006

Watched the live stream of the fashion show and noticed the model lineup wasn't at all 'diverse'.

>> No.10682007

>>10681999
I feel like summer tales was quite alright, it was expensive but nothing over 250 euros if I remember correctly

>> No.10682015

>>10682006
The stream was incredibly blurry so I couldn't tell what was going on. Was O in the model line-up? She's black.

>> No.10682021

>>10681951
Aren't they being produced in a factory instead? She mentioned something about manufacturers being paid fair wages

>> No.10682045

>>10681923
I personally think that this:
>>10681923
but with this:
>>10681963
neck thingie instead would be an improvement

>> No.10682048

>>10682045
Improve your vocabulary please.

>> No.10682054

>>10682015
No POC in sight or other types of models RR were asking for.

>> No.10682055

>>10682054
There was at least one Asian model, wasn’t there?

>> No.10682060

>>10682055
i think there was two iirc

>> No.10682064

>>10681935
That's nearly $700, pass

>> No.10682065

>>10681987
For an OP to cost £500 alone it does make one wonder where the fabric and trims really are sourced from.

>> No.10682067

>>10682055
Sonia Leong and another iirc.

>> No.10682073

>>10682067
I'm pretty sure that one black girl who wears old school was included at least in photos if not walking in the show.

>> No.10682077

>>10682054
Who cares?

>> No.10682078

>>10681933
I've seen the same lace on cheap taobao dresses. Is it really that nice.

>> No.10682081

>>10682054
Did you even watch it lol, there was two Asian models and a black model

>> No.10682083

>>10682015
Context??

>> No.10682085

>>10682081
>>10682077

This. No one cares that much but even if you do she had multiple poc models. As far as larger sized models, in her defense she's not in burgerland so maybe it's less common to find lolitas as big over there idk. The design ripoffs are nothing new/a little frustrating considering her prices (you would think some of the price is covering her thinking of relatively original designs), but it's hard to say where inspo ends and ripping something begins. I feel it's at minimum a dupe for the btssb stuff.

>> No.10682092

>>10682085
Just fyi burgerland isn't even close to the only place in the world struggling with obesity. I'm not condoning it or trying to make a case for "diverse" models but you should look it up (it's really sad)

>> No.10682105

>>10682092
Oh definitely not just the US for sure especially post-rona with virtual life making people everywhere more sedentary, but I feel like America is the worst.

>> No.10682107

>>10682105
I think actually Mexico now? I could be wrong though.

>> No.10682110

>>10682105
no, rich Middle Eastern countries and poor Pacific Islanders have had the worst obesity rates since well before the 'rona

>> No.10682134

>>10682083
She's black?

>> No.10682145

>>10682065
I've seen most of the lace she uses on Taobao/Aliexpress, so even if she buys them locally at a markup, that's hardly ethical

>> No.10682149

>>10681923
Cute, but weren't the patterns of the suit included in a glb or something? I hope so because at that point it's just cheaper to make my own.

>> No.10682154

>>10681923
£18 for a look-mook of overpriced replicas

>> No.10682177

>>10681923
Seriously, shouldn't a lookbook be given out/posted for free? It's promotional material, nobody wants to pay for it - let alone that much

>> No.10682191

>>10682177
For an indie brand, I agree

>> No.10682196

>>10682149
Yes they were. Go wild. Maybe you can start YOUR own brand too

>> No.10682199

>>10682196
Kek are you salty anons don't care for these overpriced baby replicas.

>> No.10682206

>>10681923
The sleeves look terribly ill-fitting.

>> No.10682208

>>10682199
I don't think>>10682196 was in defense of rrm

but I'm sure brand owner is shitting and pissing right now over this thread

>> No.10682250

>>10682206
I thought the same at first but they looked better on the other model on Sunday

>> No.10682274

>>10682196
Relax anon, I see the value of selling such pieces since most lolitas don't sew, but I just always felt her pieces blatantly came of glb or otome no sewing.

>> No.10682277

>>10681946
>Factory production is expensive
*in the west, lmao

>> No.10682307

>>10682199
>>10682274
I’m not defending her I think it’s embarrassing she can’t come up with her own ideas
>>10682208
Yeah she probably is, but what do you expect when you can’t take any crit on your designs and want to be popular? If you cant take the heat, don’t get involved.

>> No.10682309

>>10682274
Completely agree with this.

>> No.10682314

>>10682274
>>10682307
she's always been in to jfashion for the fame. did the same thing in fairy kei, decora, cult party, etc. oldschool and this brand was just the first thing that finally "stuck" so she stayed with it

>> No.10682319

>>10682314
I find it weird people are saying this because she's not that popular imo? I feel like she'd have done super sweet lolita if she wanted notoriety and money or efame. Old school came back for a bit and is more popular now but still more niche compared to pastel sweet and all. I see it more as she probably went through a lot of phases wanting to try other fashions until she found one she felt suited her. Tons of people try out lots of styles over time. Her posting them online doesn't necessarily mean she did it for clout unless I'm missing something.

>> No.10682333

>>10682314
If people want e-fame, they go to e-girl shit

>> No.10682339

>>10682319
you missed her constantly spamming groups and selfposting here

>> No.10682347

>>10682339
this. it was unbearable.

>> No.10682351

>>10682339
>>10682347
That makes more sense then, thanks. The line between reasonable amounts of self promotion and e-begging/being annoying with the advertisement is thin and posting about your own business on cgl definitely crosses it.

>> No.10682358

>>10682351
Does anyone have caps I’m genuinely curious?

>> No.10682384

>>10682358
Same. This didn’t happen

>> No.10682398

>>10682384
Are anons just lying then cause of vendetta? If she truly wasn't spamming anywhere or self posting on cgl she doesn't seem fame hungry at all.

>> No.10682400

>>10682314
vendetta

>> No.10682404

>>10682333
lots of egirls are inti neo-oldschool and copying the usual jfashion magazines from the same era, so that checks out

>> No.10682405

>>10682339
this, lmao at the newfags upthread

>> No.10682428

>>10682277
Yes, which is where most ethical factory production is done. Which has been cited time and again as one of the brand’s core values.

>> No.10682434

>>10682404
>copying the usual jfashion magazines
tfw that's the exact opposite of what oldschool was all about. Self-expression and authenticity were huge parts of oldschool lolita, it's a bit sad how so many neo-oldschoolers are either carbon copies of each-other or of the most popular street snaps.

>> No.10682442

>>10682434
Whenever people try anything new instead of copying street snaps it’s either “not lolita” or “that doesn’t go together”. It’s not surprising no one ever tries anything new anymore

>> No.10682460

This is all heresay and vendetta. yall just jealous newfags who can't afford her shit anyway, or you're salty you're too fat to fit into it.

>> No.10682498

>>10682460
>too fat to fit into it

isn't she offering really big sizes now? most old schoolers aren't fat anyway but even if they were it's hard to be too fat to fit some of the range i've seen her claim these things can fit on ig

>> No.10682505

>>10682498
>>10682460
The OP’s largest size goes up to 120cm bust and 106cm waist, so it’d be quite impressive to not be able to fit into that kek

>> No.10682526

>>10682384
>>10682400
>>10682460
multiple people are corroborating me but sure, "vendetta"

i don't have any screenshots because if i tried to screenshot every clout-chasing jfashion person i would have filled up my hard drive in a month

>> No.10682585

>>10682177
If it was priced to break even for the cost of producing it, that would also be fair. But £18? Absolutely poggers.

>> No.10682759

>>10682460
We are so jealous over severe lack of "diverse" models that weren't even at the fashion show and it was full of her own friends & Lolitas that have some e-clout already and overpriced blatant replicas of old skool outfits that have already existed. This business is going about it all wrong and it won't last. The truth must hurt.

>> No.10682761

>>10682405
You keep saying this but got no caps to prove it

>> No.10682763

>>10682015
Wtf
O is black?

>> No.10682767

>>10682761
look back on lolita fb groups and check archives, newfag. she used to be incessant about it.

>> No.10682775

>>10682763
She's mixed apparently, her dad is black

>> No.10682778

>>10682775
How do you know, anon? That's oddly specific, and I don't think she's ever mentioned her race or her dad anywhere.

>> No.10682781

>>10682778
She talked about it in the past, can't recall where, and posted a photo with her parents on her blog

>> No.10682792

>>10682781
But she doesn't look black in the slightest

>> No.10682794

>>10682792
There's a term for that and it's called 'white passing' for people who are mixed race but really don't look part Black at all.

>> No.10682799

>>10682460
>i'm not the newfag for being unable to navigate cgl and related sources or for not being around for something that happened within the past 2 years!! you are!!
Just go back already

>> No.10682800

Is O the founder of RRM?

>> No.10682801

>>10682800
no

>> No.10682806

>>10682792
There was another black girl though who wore some of rrms stuff who is actually darker skinned too. Idk if she was in the show but I've seen her I think on their page or on her own ig?

>> No.10682807

>>10682806
She’s in the mook

>> No.10683124

>>10682759
There couldn't have been more than 60 people at the tea party and the models were all volunteers, it's not RRM's fault if no "diverse" people wanted to model

>> No.10683140

>>10683124
Idk where the tea party was but rmm is based in a shitty country ass part of the UK. I'm not surprised there's a lack of diversity considering that.

>> No.10683141

>>10683140
It was in Norwich

>> No.10683144

>>10683140
It's not really a shitty part of the UK when it's fairly close to London. Down south there's a lot more funding than there is up north precisely because it's close to London.

>> No.10683148

>>10682015
She's white af not even just light skinned. There's a difference between paternal race and actually being black. If your skin is white you are not black.

>> No.10683150

>>10683144
Kek nobody calls Norwich nice. Are you not from the UK? Nobody says it's close to London either. People here complain when they have to drive 45 minutes. Is it nicer than some places? Yeah but it still sucks. Is Croydon nice because it's close to London? Or Brighton? No. But maybe we just have different opinions on what shitty is and nice is. I thought my London neighborhood was bad until I moved up by Manchester. Maybe you just need to move around more.

>> No.10683151

>>10683148
Imagine being woke or socially aware enough to care if RRM uses diverse models but then say black people don't count as black enough and ignore the other black person mentioned from the mook everyone chose not to buy because it's overpriced.

Most black people follow the one drop rule anyway. If your parents are black at all yougenerally consider yourself so even if you could "pass". White passing and being white are different.

I feel like based on most of cgl no one gives 2 shots that her models aren't diverse enough (no one cares there's no fat models btw or is trying hard to indict her for that), people just don't like her or the brand which is fine so just say that. I think her designs are redundant at times though I see the value for some people to have it in a different size or for rare stuff or whatever to get a similar style but I don't really think her brand is all that great and the cheap t shirts and past collab jewelry look bad to me.

>> No.10683154

>>10683151
>Most black people follow the one drop rule anyway.
Uh…no? Racist white people from the 1800s follow this rule. That’s how they came up with quadroons and octoroons and shit.

>> No.10683155

>>10683151
My mother is black and my dad is white. I came out white and therefore am not black. At that point you're just mixed race. You can't be black when you're skin isn't. It's very simple anon. Most black people (if you actually knew any) follow the basic rule that you're black if you have black skin.

>> No.10683158

>>10683151
>one drop rule
this doesn’t mean what you think it means and black people definitely didn’t come up with it kek. bless your heart

>> No.10683160

>>10683155
>(if you actually knew any)
Bitch I'm fucking black. A burger so idk what UK black culture is like to be fair. Just because something has racist or problematic origins doesn't mean many black people don't still repeat or discuss those things. Generally mixed with black gets you called black unless you're like naturally blonde blue eyed super pale. And our impression of what is white passing globally has evolved, especially because of social media and white people being into tanning now, etc. So someone who may look passing now was not neccesarily white passing back in the day. White people have just adopted black features so often in media because it's trendy that the Overton window so to speak has moved on what's white looking.

>> No.10683162

>>10683151
>White passing and being white are different.

Also this is still true btw. Yes the experiences of a white passing black person are different but they're still black. Most black people prefer to claim anyone who identifies as black one of our own, because blackness has always been defined by its inclusivity while whiteness was always defined as exclusion. You don't need to be a certain shade or pass some test or whatever else to be black, that's why there's such a wide range of what black people can look like. And continue to ignore the black old schooler from the mook too as an excuse to make up dumb reasons to complain about RRM even though there's legitimate reasons to dislike the brand. Sorry if I sound mad or if you genuinely care about the model diversity but I get sick of gulls being racist as shit half the time and then turning around and trying to fake woke over stuff they know they don't even care about just to criticize a brand or person or whatever.

>> No.10683163

Love how Asians don't count as POC to all of you apparently. Every time. Never change, /cgl/

>> No.10683166

>>10683160
KEK Imagine being black in the US and perpetuating the one drop rule. How shameful and embarrassing for you

>> No.10683169

>>10683166
Idk what to tell you anon. Some black people still perm/relax their hair too even though it can easily cause damage and was rooted in racist Europe tricks beauty standards. Are they an embarrassing shame or just raised in a culture that hasn't moved past some communities and people using or holding on to certain ideas without concern for the negative origins of it?

Still doesn't mean that a white passing black person is less black. To be honest I'd need to see a picture of this person in different lighting to get an idea of if they're genuinely white-looking/passing or just too light skinned for gulls to want to admit they're black cause yall tried to say Rose Nocturnalia was white passing too before.

>> No.10683171

>>10683169
>Europe tricks
*eurocentric sorry

>> No.10683174

>>10683169
Seriously, google the one drop rule. If you really think people still believe in it (other than Klansmen) then you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. The shameful part is how poorly educated you are on your own history.

>> No.10683178

>>10683174
I'm not saying everything about it is accurate or true but that by and large in the US if you are part one thing, especially half, if you parent is considered black, so are you. Some black people even specify "you are what your dad is" to be more specific sometimes but usually if you have a black parent people consider you black. It's not just me or only racist people overall who treat race this way. Americans at least (in part because of how the actual legal implementation of the one drop rule made blackness as inclusive as possible to maximize who was a slave vs who was free) often associate you more with your nonwhite ethnicity than your white one. Example: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/12/one-drop-rule-persists/

People being told they're one side or the other of their mixed identity happens all the time. In America though it's usually that they're considered more of the nonwhite thing. Again I'd need to see pics but I'd be willing to bet they don't look as white as people claim and are probably just light skinned black. In addition many black people have skin that gets lighter when they don't tan or get much sun. I've seen black women who look black from the Civil rights era look white passing in their old age from no sunlight. Are they less black because you or I think they're white passing? No. So the same applies to mixed race people too. Their specific experience in life may be affected by how light or dark they are but if their parents are black and they claim to identify as such, they're black. Stop trying to erase people's blackness because you think they're not "black enough" for you. Mixed race people already deal with that on a regular basis anyway.

>> No.10683180

>>10683178
You’re thinking of hypodescent, dumbass. Not the one drop rule. I’m still so embarrassed and ashamed for you. Doubling down like this and trying to cite Harvard to sound smart is just making this more humiliating.

>> No.10683181

>>10683180
I'm not citing them to sound smart, I'm citing them because they came up higher on Google. Even if there's a specific sociological term for it, the southern town my family is from/older people in my all black family called it the one drop rule. Sorry you can't see the point.

Also like others said there were multiple Asian people present and you guys are pretending like Asians aren't POC which is also sad and exclusionary as well.

>> No.10683186

>>10683181
KEK your whole black family is retarded too and believes octoroons are black? Jesus this is getting worse

>> No.10683191

>>10683155
Jesus. Go get some air, meow_tan. You realize you can't actually talk on the subject tho rite. All black people in the US are mixed mutts, unless they are black as night.

>> No.10683192

>>10683186
None of us use the word octroon but if someone says they're black and their parents are black yeah they're black. Not just my family but an entire town, and multiple cities of 'retards' where I'm from. Crazy how some people don't exclude others from being black because we're not so racist we think you have to look like a minstrel show character to be a black person.

>> No.10683194

>>10682077
100%. Don't give a fuck. The only people that care are the ones so insistent on literally owning all media / outlets with """"""""diversity"""""""

If literally every commercial on tv a black commercial, that's not diversity.

>> No.10683196

>>10683192
My great grandma being the only black person in my family doesnt make me black. Sorry your backward hick town still believes laws from the 1800s. Personally I’d be ashamed.

Also race has never been strictly biological, ever. Its a social construct that changes with time and even location. You should have gone to college before you tried woking out

>> No.10683197

>>10683194
>>10683194
>If literally every commercial on tv a black commercial, that's not diversity.

tbf in no country except maybe black dominant ones is that ever happening, and if its all whites on a commercial no one would bat an eye so they shouldnt if everyone was some other race too if a brand feels like it.

>> No.10683201

>>10683196
It is a social construct, meaning social agreements define blackness too. Race has always been a social construct and I never said it wasn't, never once did I claim it's biological. That's why I specified about people themselves identifying as black in addition to their ethnic background/parent's racial identification. Which is all that hypodescent (which is honestly basically the same as the one drop rule just a social concept not a legal one) is to begin with. I did go to college, which is why I can acknowledge that just because someone isn't dark as night doesn't mean they 'don't count' as a black person only for the convenience of complaining about some mediocre old school brand on a taiwanese basket weaving forum.

>> No.10683202

>>10683196
>My great grandma being the only black person in my family
>>10683192
>their parents are black

Parents and one great grandparent are two different things. Semantics aside you're being intentionally obtuse.

>> No.10683203

>>10683201
>never once did I claim it's biological
You literally tried using the one drop rule. Still don’t know what it is, huh?

And no, hypodescent isn’t the same thing. That’s why they’re two different terms! Nice try though! Keep at it, maybe you’ll look smarter the next time instead of like an uneducated Tumblr wokefag

>> No.10683204

>>10683202
>Parents and one great grandparent are two different things.
Not according to the one drop rule, no. That’s why it’s named that, genius. Use terms you understand next time, and you won’t be humiliated like this

>> No.10683205

>>10683203
If race is a social construct to begin with legal rules based on that social construct are still not biological, and using the term many black people still use to refer to the general concept of or behind hypodescent isn't inherently wrong. You're just invalidating the actual way the term is used socially amongst actual black people (if you wanna identify as white so bad go ahead but don't try to guilt or force anyone else to) because of your obsession with specifics. This is all only to deflect from your trying to claim people aren't black enough and ignoring how many times it's been pointed out you're totally ignoring Asians as POC because you only ever wanted to shit on the brand. You don't care about black people and are admittedly white yourself supposedly according to your own identification, don't pretend you do just to complain about some ugly mannish uk girl's lolita brand.

>> No.10683206

>>10683204
I'm not humiliated but you seem like you want me to be so bad. Seethe harder that your liberal arts degree means nothing to the black people you pretend to be fighting for in your 4chan post while you accuse a girl of not being black.

>> No.10683207

>>10683205
>legal rules based on that social construct are still not biological
Anon…. The one drop rule was literally based off ancestry records. You don’t know shit about your own history. Devastatingly sad

>> No.10683208

>>10683207
You're implying that race is inherent and biological to those ancestors though. But it's not because race has always been a social construct. Nowadays legally speaking it's self identity anyway in many places. I already explained what I meant using the term as shorthand, but if you want to hinge the entirety of the discussion on the term one drop rule and miss the point go ahead. It doesn't make you less of a seething autist.

>> No.10683209

Can you take your retarded race discussion elsewhere, pretty please with a cherry on top? You're both stupid.

>> No.10683210 [DELETED] 

>>10683206
Oh I’m not fighting for any chimps, I’m just embarrassing you because you don’t seem to know any of it kek. Which is apparently typical for you and your uneducated family

>> No.10683212

>>10683209
I may be stupid but at least I know the difference between the one drop rule and hypodescent. Sad that a black person is so stupid that they don't. What an embarrassment.

>> No.10683214

>>10683212
You and me both kek

>> No.10683215

>>10683210
ur embarassing sperging about race outside of /b/ or /pol/ desu

>> No.10683218

>>10683208
>misuses terms you know nothing about
>gets called out
>”focusing on semantics is so AUTISTIC!”
cope

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>>10683222
>>10683210
damn ur dumber than the chimps ur trying to own--literally and figuratively

>> No.10683228 [DELETED] 

>>10683222
Being an example of something doesn’t make them exactly the same thing, you mongoloid. You prove nothing with this except for what we’ve already been saying. Also >>10683215 ironic of you to suggest this when you’re the one believing in the one drop rule like an old Klansman.

>> No.10683233

>>10683228
Seethe harder that you're wrong. No one said they were the same thing kek.

>> No.10683236 [DELETED] 

>>10683233
How am I wrong? I literally taught you the term to explain what you actually meant. I never said that the one drop rule wasn’t an example of hypodescent. Your dumb nigger family is the one that believes in the one drop rule

>> No.10683237

>>10683233
Sorry let me clarify before you start sperging again: I said they were "basically" the same thing (as in, an approximation and used one as shorthand for the other because they are similar enough in meaning for the context we were discussing it in), not EXACTLY the same thing. The one drop rule is a social principle derived from hypodescent. Keep seething though.

>> No.10683239

>>10683236
Mmmm those sweet racist tears taste so good pls keep going nonnie

>> No.10683240

>>10683237
You dumb chimps are arguing with each other over terms i taught you fucking L O L

>> No.10683241

>>10683240
Sorry anon are you someone's college professor on cgl? You didn't teach someone a term just because you were the first one to bring it up in one 4chan thread LO motherfucking L

>> No.10683248

>>10683241
Yeah cause the black who says she believes in the one drop rule is the smart one here lmao. Next she’ll be saying she believes in segregation but it’s okay cause her mammy said it too!

>> No.10683251

>>10683248
Racists seething is so beautiful

>> No.10683265

>>10683251
Seething at what? She said it herself, you can’t make that shit up.

>> No.10683276

>>10683208
I agree with you anon, but don't argue with the trolls. Just report and move on. They'll eventually leave.

>> No.10683287

>>10683148
Colorism ain't cute, honey.

>> No.10683300

Do any of you ever alter your dresses to add detail on like sewing on appliques, different lace, screen printing, etc.

I've seen a few old interviews with Japanese Lolitas who claimed to do this and it really feels as if old schoolers were far more creative. I love the idea of making pieces more personal and unique.

>> No.10683301

>>10683300
Also, to add to this, do any of you have any old school pics of pieces that have been personalized? Or ideas of what you would do yourself?
Personally, I have a few plain dresses I think would be fun to screen print or sew appliques to.

>> No.10683305

>>10683287
Piss off wonderfuck.

>> No.10683316

O. looks 100% european

>> No.10683319

Well this thread fucking sucks

>> No.10683328

>>10683300
Yeah, I’ve done this many times and they’ve turned out to be some of my favorite pieces

>> No.10683350

>>10683300
I'm actually planning on doing this to one of my AP skirts. I'm nervous but excited!

>> No.10683422

does anyone have some street snaps of black skirts? I just bought my first black skirt (finally!!) and I am in need of coords inspo

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>> No.10683436

>>10683434
not her, but that looks so cute and elegant

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>>10683437
Here are a couple more modern coords. It was difficult to find black skirt coords, surprisingly enough - most of them were either OPs or black and white skirts.

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>>10683439

>> No.10683450

>>10683434
>>10683438
Thank you!!
Yeah I've noticed that too of finding black skirt coords ;-;

>> No.10683451

>>10683422
>>10683433
>>10683438
whadya grills think of those black skirt and lolita-ish t-shirt with something like a cute neck and shit, I like the causal yet cute look of it, I don't have any pics of it sry

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On that same note, could I please see pics of coords with huge rugged 90s-ey platforms? Similar to picrel!

(different anon from the skirt request)

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>>10683451
Go away soup

>>10683452
Coming right up!

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>>10683460

>> No.10683462

>>10683459
I'm not soup ;_;

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>>10683465

>> No.10683468

>>10683464
Omg I am obsessed with the right coat, would it by any chance be a lolita brand?

>> No.10683477

>>10683300
Almost everything I own has some small details altered in some way, I change out ribbons for different color and buttons, often add more lace or trim and applique occasionally. I don't post coords online because I've got criticism for altering brand in the past but I never resell pieces I put love into.

>> No.10683478

>>10683463
This is everything, especially the girl in the middle. Thanks so much nonnie I'm really inspired!

>> No.10683571

>>10683477
>I've got criticism for altering brand in the past
That's so fucking dumb. If you're doing a good job of it, who gives a shit. I mean there's a whole tumblr dedicated to improving AP pieces.

>> No.10683773

>>10681963
Fucking funny that a girl who was crying about having her own designs "replicated" is replicating pieces now

>> No.10683779

>>10683773
When did she complain about her designs being replicated?

>> No.10683791

>>10683571
>I mean there's a whole tumblr dedicated to improving AP pieces.
Link?

>> No.10683795

>>10683791
https://frillyfix.tumblr.com/

>> No.10683803

>>10683795
Thanks!

>> No.10683811

>>10683795
Really not a fan of AP or sweet but some of these are damn good.

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>>10683811
This. The only post 2006 AP piece I really like is Katrina OP, but these edits are super cute.

>> No.10683821

>>10683818
it's incredible how much better it looks, makes me wonder if AP is reterded, on a budget or intenionally makes their dress shittier that they potentially could make them

>> No.10683827

>>10683821
I think it’s a mix of a bunch of shitty business practices
>trying to appeal to larmefags who already moved on from that or are into like dearmylove stuff
>trying to shit out as many dresses as possible instead of taking their time designing a really nice dress
>made in China production
I just don’t get why APfags continue to support them.

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>>10683821
This one really upset me because I have the JSK and the edit is miles better than what they made.

What could have been.....

>> No.10683830

>>10683828
Can AP hire this person already

>> No.10683842

>>10683827
I see what you mean, makes sense, sad.>>10683827
>>10683828
Have you gulls thought about sending them a commonnal mail, signed with all your anonymous alyases and detailing them that they should step their game the fuck up? Maybe it could work.

>> No.10683856

feeling kind of meh about the whole RRM drop. everything is cute but nothing stands out except the jackets (which i’m hesitant to buy because they look like baby reps) and maybe the blouse/capelet combo. the OP is nice but i feel like she has bad timing because of the recent hawase doll rereleases. in fact most of the recent classical baby rereleases cover nearly every design in this drop, and i’d rather have Baby.

i respect the hustle but if she really wants people to drop that kind of money, she should consider making more unique designs. one can be nostalgic AND original.

>> No.10683875

>>10683856
They're also more expensive or the same price as actual Baby. The only difference is that RRM caters to the fatty chans so there's that niche. But I honestly haven't seen that many fat old schoolers around.

>> No.10683888

>>10683875
Their prices are really much higher than Baby's. For example the JSK is like $500USD, compared to Baby's $200-300 range. RRM does say their stuff is produced ethically, but they haven't supplied any evidence. I'd like to know where they're getting their materials and producing their garments.

>> No.10683901

Idk if anyone was looking for the baby version of RRM skirt but here's the skirt:
https://buyee.jp/mercari/item/m58564826687

>> No.10683920

>>10683828
I own the Fancy Noel OP and I love it, but every time I see this image I get sad because I love her version so much more.

>> No.10683921

>>10683888
isn’t most of btssb’s stuff made in their local factories anyway?

>> No.10683955

I really like the heirloom items but even the cheapest thing (cutsew) is already more than my summertales jsk, no way in hell that I’ll buy rrm their stuff
I just hope that other western indie brands wont make their prices higher after seeing these insane prices

>> No.10683959

>>10683955
I strongly doubt they'll get a lot of sales with these prices when you can get the same thing new from Baby for less. Even overpriced secondhand old school items are cheaper than this stuff. The only things worth getting at this price point are the socks and headdresses.

>> No.10683960

>>10683477
Late but that's so weird. It has to be some sort of weird possession of brand that isn't theirs, especially if it's altered well. It's not being sold anyway like you said. Well altered brand can look beautiful and makes me want to get even deeper into DIY and altering.

>> No.10683961

>>10683901
are you fucking serious rn they look nothing alike aside the fact they're both tartan

>> No.10683962

>>10683959
I just bought an insanely overpriced (about twice as expensive as it was going for pre-covid) old school OP from Baby, and even that was cheaper by about $100. I was feeling guilty about spending that much on a dream dress, I genuinely can't imagine people paying that much for imitation Baby pieces from a western indie brand.

>> No.10683966

>>10683477
Pls.....anon....I'm dying for inspo.....pls post pics....I'm literally begging you

>> No.10683970

>>10683961
Didn't you know Baby invented tartan

>> No.10683985

>>10681923
R.R must be out her damn mind if she thinks people are going to drop $600 on a BTSSB clone

>> No.10683994

>>10683955
I laughed when I saw the price of the bloomers. Meta sells theirs for ¥6000 brand new

>> No.10683998

>>10683961
It’s a tartan skirt with white lace. what more do you want. Drop $$$ on the rrm one then sorry i couldn’t find an exact 100% dupe you idiot

>> No.10684008

>>10683994
How much are they?

>> No.10684010

>>10684008
£121/$165 and even more expensive if you miss the preorder. She's out of her fucking mind

>> No.10684054

They posted some more info on Instagram, looks like the clothes are made in London

>> No.10684070

>>10684054
"Made in London" is totally meaningless. She really has no idea what she's doing. I work in clothing manufacturing and this is not how she is going to establish anything long term. Working with manufacturing lines in the west is the most difficult and frustrating thing to do mainly because many of them lie about their supply chains. Most of the time people work with western companies to try to increase domestic jobs and sustainability, when it usually just leads to unsustainable blood cotton and sweat shops since western factories outsource as much as possible while still being able to say it is made there. The whole "made in, assembled in, etc." bits on the tag are all legal loopholes that are basically meaningless, By using western production with no prior business experience, she is just railroading her customers while likely getting railroaded herself. The only thing western manufacturers offer is ease of QC because you can physically visit the factory, but the pieces she produces are too basic to require any amount of extra factory line monitoring that can't be done via webcam.
If she really wants to make the brand look good and be worth the price she needs to add a ton of brand transparency instead of just halfassing it, otherwise just get it made in China and finish it domestically.

>> No.10684093

>>10683998
I was thinking you were claiming that this was the skirt that RRM was ripping off since the general consensus seems to be RRM is stealing designs. If you were just posting an alternative then sorry, I misunderstood.

>> No.10684183

>>10683888
I want to know if the tartan fabric is genuine and 100% sourced locally as it can cost a fortune per metre for the highest quality design.

These prices are just ridiculous.
Imagine being a small indie brand and charging more than BTSBB...what an insult.

>> No.10684184

>>10683985
During a ongoing global pandemic no less.

>> No.10684188

>>10684183
https://r-r-memorandum.co.uk/blogs/r-r-memorandum-blog/what-you-have-all-been-waiting-for

>> No.10684210

>>10684188
talk about poor damage control. maybe they should address their obvious replicas instead of patting themselves on the ass for an overpriced and subpar release. any anon willing to shill out for the tartan set to compare to a baby set?

>> No.10684211

>>10684188
I have never seen someone so obviously responding to cgl before. I think it is a mistep to go so pricey off the bat when no one can verify that it is "high quality".

>> No.10684212

>>10684093
Oh yeah it kinda seems like that. Sorry nonny i’ll be more clear with my words. Yeah I meant its an alternative i thought some anon here might like

>> No.10684215

>>10684188
How ironic this was posted here immediately after talks of where the fabric and trims are sourced from.

The 'London based' pattern cutter who has worked for VW is now making their patterns? Everything is 'London based? This tells me nothing and sounds like back pedalling.

>> No.10684220

>>10684215
Sounds like someone really has a hard-on for London. I think she overestimated how much people value people would put into the manufacturer. I don't care that her pattern-cutter is ex-VW, anyone can cut a pattern. Also her cotton is sourced from India, so I'm not sure why she's acting like her supply is entirely ethical. Though, I do appreciate the transparency, I simply do not care and won't drop half a grand on something baby did better.

>> No.10684224

>>10684220
You do realize that non western countries can produce things ethically too right? It's still too expensive and I won't be buying, but your argument is beyond stupid

>> No.10684230

I really don't see this stuff as that expensive, the pieces seem quite nice and high quality. Isn't that one of the foundations of lolita? High quality, high effort clothes. I wish she re-released those old skirts she made, they were cute.

>> No.10684232

>>10684220
The lace is also sourced from China. So technically none of it is "sustainable" or fully ethical, which seems to be the selling point.

>>10684230
High quality replicas aren't one of the foundations of lolita.

>> No.10684238

>>10684232
If a brand seeks to emulate the feel of older clothes, then of course they'll borrow elements of the clothes of that era. That doesn't make it a replica. Many AP and Baby dresses have similar elements, but no one says they're knocking each other off (even though they probably were, especially in the early days). Lolita is pretty limited design wise, too, there's an established shape to our clothes. Many pieces from different brande do share similarities, but that's pretty much inevitable.

>> No.10684240

Everyone keeps saying the tartan set is a baby ripoff, but it's actually just an old gosurori pattern

>> No.10684241

>>10684238
>of course they'll borrow elements of the clothes of that era
there are limits. obviously, she can go ahead and make straight up design replicas, change a few details, and call it a day, but I don't see this as respectable or worth the price tag.
>Lolita is pretty limited design wise
I disagree. especially in old school.

>> No.10684244

>>10684241
You are entitled to disagree, but if you go through lots of old school designs and glbs, many of them are very very similar. The subculture was blooming and brands did borrow from each other. That is something that naturally happens.
As for the price, I understand where you're coming from, but if you're someone who's ever commissioned high quality, local seamstresses, then yeah... That's typically how much a complicated piece would cost, especially with all the detachable pieces.

>> No.10684245

>>10684230
>>10684240
>>10684238
You really don’t need to white knight yourself so hard. It’s still replicating. Other indie brands make original designs for a fraction of the price for what seems like better quality. Learn to take crit and stop acting so bothered

>> No.10684250

>>10684244
You are really going this far to justify bloomers for 150ish because its "high quality and local".

>> No.10684251

>>10684245
Woof. Can't have a discussion on this forum without making someone piss the bed, I guess.

>> No.10684261

>>10684245
This. I’ve commissioned a seamstress for an old school inspired OP, caplet, bloomers and petticoat and it was 500 together as opposed to just one singular piece.

>> No.10684268

https://r-r-memorandum.co.uk/collections/royal-crown-valerie/products/preorder-royal-crown-valerie-jacket

Is it just me or does the corseting on the back look kind of awkward?

>> No.10684274

>>10684240
Which volume of gosurori is it from? I can make my own for less than what she's charging

>> No.10684280

>>10684274
10. I saw K wearing a version of this jacket at an event before and asked her where to get the pattern. NGL I plan on making my own too and using proper tailoring techniques

>> No.10684297

>>10684268
Not too familiar with this brand but the price they charge for literal Tshirts and normie clothes is... something. They keep calling them cutsews but unless you wear fake collars or do something with them I don't know how you're supposed to wear them with lolita. Those £67 parkas are way too long and they say to wear with a lolita skirt, they 're reaching with these descriptions for items that look like they came out from redbubble

>> No.10684309

>>10683779
She accused a clolita brand of copying her design. Completely delusional.

>> No.10684314

>>10684297
a lot of japanese brands call tshirts cutsews so maybe that's what they're parroting

>> No.10684318

>>10684309
You just said the same thing as last time. I want proof.

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>>10684318

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>>10684325

>> No.10684329

I don't think people realize that made in China doesn't necessarily mean made in a sweatshop. China has some of the best, most efficient factories, many of which are sweatshop-free certified. The cost of living is just lower in China, meaning you get more efficiently manufactured pieces for lower prices. Made in the UK or whatever is so unnecessary in my opinion. I do like the collection though, but it's definitely out of my price range

>> No.10684348

>>10684325
I don't actually care that much that her designs are derivative, of course there's only so much you can do before it's not considered old school any more, but wow this is so ironic and hypocritical.

>> No.10684353

>>10684325
What the fuck kind of unhinged, unprofessional hypocrisy is this? I'm definitely not going to be buying from her. Glitter tale's looks better anyway.

>> No.10684369

>>10684325
“henlo friendos”? Is she five?

>> No.10684370

>>10684325
What store is this for? I know Glitter Tail.

>> No.10684371

>>10684325
autist behavior kek

>> No.10684383

>>10684325
why didn't she sue glittertale for stealing her photo?

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So their solution is to run away from their problems and stop using lace and tartans altogether instead of figuring something else out.

>> No.10684422

>>10684412
this is retard level of nitpicking.

>> No.10684423

>>10684325
Wait, she's on benefits because 'DWP shenanigans' covers disability, unemployment and everything else when you're unable to work in the UK. Her parents also own a successful vegan restaurant and were credited for the helping her start R.R.

The privilege is high with this one. Using bank of mum and dad as well as milking the system then has the audacity to charge this much for her designs.

>> No.10684425

>>10684423
It's especially funny because the Glitter Tale design is better.

>> No.10684429

>>10684325
I didn't really care for the release until I saw this. Anyone who types like this as a business professional does not deserve my money.

>> No.10684446

>>10684325
So then she went along and had the replica produced anyway. This really shows she knew this was a copy and stuck with it in hopes it'd be more 'successful' and superior. The damage control being done recently lines up with this post. Won't be getting a penny from me.

>> No.10684487

>>10684325
Welp... I hope it was worth the hissy fit on facebook because this just got weird.

>> No.10684490

>>10684446
>she went along and had the replica produced anyway
Uh, what?

>> No.10684491

>>10684224
The fact that she didn't say that the cotton would be ethical (when again, that's the selling point) would imply it's not. If it were ethical I'm sure they'd be shouting about it, because cotton from an eastern country implies poverty wages at best. I imagine she'd want to clear up that distinction. But keep caping.

>> No.10684492

>>10684423
This is just disgusting. Benefits should go to those who need them.

>> No.10684495

>>10684492
She probably uses her Autism diagnosis to her advantage and claims that she can't work a 'normal job. It's worth pointing out she uses the title of being an 'Autistic business owner' as another selling point.

Disability benefit aka PIP is difficult to get as the system has a history of being unfair and biased. For someone who has their own house, £500 dress business and well off parents, she doesn't need anything from DWP.

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Just to really drive the point home that their claims of being ethical is nothing more than marketing, I present to you - every single type of lace used in the Royal Crown set, currently available for purchase on AliExpress.

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>>10684501
Closeups of said lace on the actual garments

>> No.10684503

>>10684501
*GASP* THEY MUST'VE COPIED HER DESIGNS TOO!!!

>> No.10684504

>>10684501
By “ethical” she only means “not literally assembled in a sweatshop” which is a truly low bar.

>> No.10684507

>>10684495
>It's worth pointing out she uses the title of being an 'Autistic business owner' as another selling point.
This. https://youtu.be/sclVce2-6RM

>> No.10684509

>>10684504
When those who genuinely care hear "we're an ethical brand", they probably assume their materials are ethically sourced too, so their marketing seems misleading at best. Why not just do your thing and charge regular indie prices, and once you get to the point where you can control every step of production and afford locally produced fabrics/trims, only then start screaming about muh ethical brand? I just don't get it

>> No.10684510

>>10684509
I think if they used UK sourced fabrics etc, the price would be absolutely astronomical. The textile industry here is also not very big anymore, so it could be quite difficult. I agree that trying to market themselves as 'ethical' is just unessacry at this point tho. Making these claims will just give them more critiscm at this point.

>> No.10684512

>>10684412
I could care less about greenwashing woke ethical shit, it's a weird hill to die on when you're wearing asian fashion. I liked their previous tartan skirt and was intrigued by this brand but seeing the scammy prices justified with sjw propaganda is such a turnoff.
What is the point of lolita without lace. I guess this means they will not re-release the skirt I liked either.

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>>10684495
>>10684492
>>10684423
Not to WK but “DWP shenanigans” could also cover if she was waiting for a start up business loan to fund the VW pattern cutter, “ethical” AliExpress lace, etc.

>>10684325
> makes a derivative old school jacket inspired by Baby/VW
> gets surprised when another brand makes something similar, like there hasn’t been a rise of old-school that brands are looking to cash in on

>>10684412
The way they’ve failed to address “ethics” of the tartan etc make me think it’s cheap polycotton from eBay - and although their
Instagram admits the material isn’t locally sourced, it isn’t mentioned in the blog post or the product listing itself, which I find disingenuous. It feels like they’re implying it’s super ethical when it isn’t.

>> No.10684517

>>10684268
The way the lacing is constructed is purely decorational but they decided to tighten it for the stock photos so it looks like ass.

>> No.10684518

>>10684512
UK made lace exists and isn't that hard to find, just not in huge quantities as the industry here is very small. For example:

https://www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk/search/Uk%20made%20cotton%20lace

It's becoming more obvious that this business can't be bothered to properly look and just rely on Aliexpress trims because they're extremely cheap in bulk. This whole ethical thing isn't working at all.

>> No.10684519

>>10684518
She went to university in Nottingham to study textiles. The city has a whole section called the Lace Market due to the historical lace trade. There’s still companies making the traditional lace today - I’d have been much more impressed if the ethics were sourcing traditionally made British lace to support the industry.

>> No.10684520

>>10684517
>decorational
decorative*

>> No.10684521

While I understand the critique, some things said on here have been a bit harsh imo. I think the release would be alright and I would buy something if it was more affordable. But I wouldn't be surprised if it still sells out. Lolitas are crazy with spending

>> No.10684523

>>10684519
Exactly. Nottingham make high quality lace that dates back. Why not get behind that? More people would be intrigued by the history behind their lace and for it to be used would mean supporting the industry directly as it's local. So much potential going to waste here. As a previous fashion student you'd think she'd know better but clearly doesn't.

>> No.10684528

>>10684412
>lolita items with no lace
>lolita
>no lace

Are they fucking serious?

>> No.10684530

>>10684371
Well, she IS autistic

>> No.10684533

>>10684512
>What is the point of lolita without lace.

Ruffles.

>> No.10684536

>>10684521
Crazy with actual burando but indie stuff? That'd be a miracle.

>> No.10684537

>>10684523
most people don't learn enough in school to do anything remarkable. she's probably just making lolita because she thought we'd pay brand prices. not in fashion but culinary is the same way. you need to season yourself by starting lower on the rung. school doesn't impart you with special skills, it just teaches you the same thing everyone else learns. she's clearly working hard, but stupid. she should be mentoring someone who actually has experience in this kind of work.

>> No.10684587

Anyway.
Anyone bought anything cool recently?

>> No.10684594

>>10684587
The summer tales boutique nostalgia orders have all been dispatched now, how good are they?

>> No.10684602

>>10684325
>noooo don't vaguely resemble my replica!!
holy shit what a cow

>> No.10684603

>>10684240
>old gosurori pattern
.. who are provided by brands so people can diy their designs.

>> No.10684607

>>10684587
Got a bunch of stuff! Acquired a dream dress I never thought I'd own and found a cute floral Meta OP from 2002 for like $30 - almost feels like I'm living in a pre-covid world again. Added a few much needed basics I've been wanting, like Baby's karami skirt and spin doll bonnet. Now I'm on a no buy because I spent too much over the past month, but it was worth it.

>> No.10684609

>>10684495
She really owns a whole ass house? I thought she was living with her parents all this time

>> No.10684611

>>10684325
Take this to the new lolita lolcow general. This girl, I can't even.

>> No.10684614

>>10684521
Nobody is going to spend 700$ US on a replication neo old school dress, Katherine.

>> No.10684617

To change the topic again, I'm curious about how oldschoolers are doing their makeup.
Obviously the most authentic look would be whatever was suggested in the glbs, but to me that's mostly just generic early 2000s makeup which is not my cup of tea t b h. I usually just go for mascara and a bit of blush, but I've also seen oldschoolers on ig in a full face of makeup...

>> No.10684618

>>10683468
looks like bpn

>> No.10684625

>>10684617
I mostly go for a "no-makeup" makeup look where I just concealer imperfections and softly enhance features I like, but depending on the coord I'm wearing, I also like applying strong blush on my cheeks

>> No.10684630

>>10684594
They haven’t, still waiting on shipping for mine…

>> No.10684635

>>10684412
how the fuck is lace hard to source in the fucking UK/Europe, which is known for it??? "Are now dead" or mayyybe they just charge more than 0.80$/a yard.

>> No.10684637

>>10684507
I love how she ramped up her aspie mannerisms by not properly editing the vocals in her video/sounding like a nervous child giving her speech in class on the verge of tears.

The shaky, deliberately down pointing camera work and public domain music just really works well with the image of an unprivileged poor teenager.

>> No.10684644

>>10684630
That’s a shame, the girls in my comm who ordered jsks appeared to get theirs last week. Are you in europe?

>> No.10684677

>>10684637
nobody cares

>> No.10684681

>>10684677
Well clearly you do.

>> No.10684719

>>10684603
I'm pretty sure the ones in gosurori are reader submitted, GLB has the brand ones

>> No.10684722

>>10684637
What are you even trying to say?
She's poor and retarded?

>> No.10684724 [DELETED] 

>>10684611
Don't know why any of this hasn't been brought to lolcow when some stupid egl sale item did.
Most of this is shitting on rrm, k and debating O's race.
Are they Not milky or are they the ones posting others to avoid having themselves posted on the farms

>> No.10684733

>>10684607
What dream dress was it? Congrats!

>> No.10684734

>>10684617
I don't honestly wear makeup at all very much anymore. I've been taking better care of my skin and I still wear a mask anyways. I'll wear light mascara and brow gel though, sometimes concealer if I need it, maybe even brown eyeliner. A lot of people wear heavier makeup so it shows up on camera but I don't often take coord pics anyways.

>> No.10684818

>>10684261
I was wanting to commission a modified version of the Aya Army set. How did you go about finding someone competent to sew lolita? I considered doing it in Korea on vacation. But then COVID

>> No.10684820

>>10683459
god me love the chunky shoes

>> No.10684845

>>10684412
This is so retarded. Lolita is no ethical fashion, it's the epitome of consumerism. What people wanted from this brand were oldschool staple pieces and not high ambition overpriced BtssB replicas.

>> No.10684846

>>10684845
They probably realised they got beat to it by summer tales boutique with lower prices and changed their strategy

>> No.10684849

>>10684644
No, I’m in the US and my friends here who have ordered still have no updates.

>> No.10684852

>>10684818
I think summer tales did commissions too sometimes? Idk if they still do though but you can always dm or email them asking

>> No.10684853

>>10684849
The tartan pieces were shipped out like two weeks ago I think? and the black and white ones like last week or something

Shipping to the US takes ages though from Europe

>> No.10684868

>>10684617
>cover up the dark circles under my eyes
>mascara
>a darker toned or pinker toned lip depending on the dress
>done
I’m not that into makeup in general honestly though.

>> No.10684879

>>10684818
Nayrt, but in my country there are quite a few lolita seamstresses/ateliers that either exclusively do commission pieces or own an indie brand and do it on the side. I can link you to them, if you don't mind ordering from overseas.

>> No.10684882

>>10684879
nayrt but I'm interested

>> No.10684933

>>10684879
Yes please. I’m in the US and tailors in my area are barely competent enough to tailor jackets much less craft a dress with a lining properly

>> No.10685007

>>10684853
Anonski, I bought a tartan and a black and white and every friend I have who got one has not got a shipping update. I was also supposed to get an invoice for the extra length and that hasn’t happened either. They haven’t shipped.

>> No.10685043

>>10684617
I'm not a fan of makeup in general, so I just conceal any spots, do a little blush, a thin line of dark eyeshadow in place of eyeliner, and mascara.

>> No.10685166

I love the r r memorandum items but i cannot even fathom paying that amount when the brand is not established and is very unclear about how "ethical" their items are other than essentially "just trust me bro" levels of explanation. Honestly I was really excited for this release until I saw the pricetag. At that price lolitas should be getting an itemized list of what costs what when the brand is caught using taobao lace. I badly wanted to support this release because I found it to encapsulate everything I love about oldschool but if this is how its going to be, I can't do it gulls.

>> No.10685169

>>10685166
Adding to this but at that price why wouldn't i just design my own dress and have it custom made and tailored to me for like half the cost from a local seamstress? That way I'm not just handing my money to an undisclosed supply chain and a shitty explanation

>> No.10685264

>>10684818
>>10684882
>>10684933
I would like to preface this post by saying I'm not affiliated with anyone mentioned here, just want to give anons some options they might not have found otherwise. Hopefully this helps someone!

Moravind - https://www.instagram.com/moravind/
Personally I'm not a huge fan of their designs, but they've done old school inspired pieces before and people seem to like their work. The most popular out of everyone mentioned.

Midnight Atelier - http://instagram.com/midnight.atelier
Temporarily not accepting custom orders. Can't say much about them, since I've only heard of them in passing.

Shiroi Tsubasa - https://www.etsy.com/shop/ShiroiTsubasa
A male tailor, I know this is important to some. Has the highest quality of work out of everyone mentioned, in my opinion, from pattern drafting to seams. Builds custom dress forms based on your measurements if you have unusual proportions. If I were to commission a complex piece, I would pick him.

Lab de Merveilles - https://www.etsy.com/shop/LabDeMerveilles
Good for accessories, and the brand is run by an actual old school lolita.

>> No.10685292

>>10684846
It would be a bad move because the market for staple pieces isn't nearly close to being saturated. But good for summer tales boutique, I guess.

>> No.10685302

>>10685264
You are Russian, amirite?
I actually ordered items from every brand listed, so
>Moravind
Overpriced, poor construction and sewing skills.

>Midnight Atelier
Very decent works, I love them

>Shiroi Tsubasa
Awesome sewing and construction skills, but they use cheap thin fabric and lace.

>Lab de Merveilles
Materials are on the cheaper side, but their items look really nice in the end.

>> No.10685342

>>10685302
Yep, you got it. Just realized I posted right as the thread hit autosage, hopefully everyone who asked saw it. I've only ordered from Lab de Merveilles before myself and pretty much agree with what you had to say. Thanks for adding onto my recommendations!

>> No.10685345

>>10685264
>A male tailor, I know this is important to some.
Whaaaa? I’ve commissioned them before I’m genuinely shocked they’re a guy! Especially since the details on the piece I comm’d are so feminine.

>> No.10685347

>>10685264
>>10685302
Thanks friends. I have started the commissioning process and honestly might get two sets made by different people depending on price. Kinda nervous it won’t turn out

>> No.10685720

>>10685347
Please share the results once it's finished! A camo set sounds awesome

>> No.10686506

>>10682054
all that matters is if you will fit in it lmao why does skin matter