/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10875482

>>10875486
Ok, yes, I get it. This all looks like taobao, but where are those UTKS from, they are terribly cute even here....

>>10875489
Looks like innocent world, or at least an innocent world knockoff.

>>10875486
>>10875489
>>10875496
They're from a Hot Topic brand called LOVEsick. Surprisingly good socks--I'm not sure if they even make them anymore.

>>10875498
I have a pair of these, they're super stretchy and comfortable!

>>10875483
I would literally prefer every other Ita in the thread right now than this, what the actual fuck

>>10875498
Looks like a knockoff of these
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-romantic-over-knee-socks

>>10875506
Eh, kind of. The LOVEsick version has little bows along the lacing and the IW ones don't; the LOVEsick version also doesn't have the detailing on the back. Red Maria made a sock like this, too. I don't think it's all that uncommon.

>>10875485
the stance kills me

buy some new fucking shoes

>>10875609
her coords kill me because if she had shoes and a better haircut she could pass for cute or at least pass a sticker test.

>>10875658
yeah no, miss stretchy burando needs to do more than that to pass a sticker test

>>10875659
her blouses look cheap and she needs to polish her appearance (that strap falling off) but the dress looks like it might've been altered in a decent enough way.

her problem is she isn't putting forth enough effort. it's frustrating because i can see she has the means and resources to be well dressed if she wanted to be.

>>10875485
I was going to say her only sin was being big, but then I scrolled past the wristcuffs and saw the shoes. At least they're pink I guess.

>>10875664
every outfit of hers is the same. no effort in her appearance, just throws a dress over a blouse and and says "good enough" without ever trying to find better legwear or shoes or balance out the giant headbow

>>10875532
You can clearly see there's something on the back of the socks on >>10875486's though.

>>10875665
I don't understand why you think her haircut is in any way suitable for lolita fashion.

>>10875671
right, she always ends up looking very similar. Always the same hair style, always the crappy blouses and stretched to the max bodice. Does she even wear skirts? It's always so low quality and low effort looking.

She could be fixed if only she put on a decent wig (and grew her hair out and styled it to something appropriate for lolita fashion) and got higher quality clothes that actually fit well. Healthy weight loss is recommended too of course, but there are other plus sized lolitas who manage to dress and style themselves in a decent way so her size shouldn't be an excuse to why she can't.

>>10875694
short hair can work, but not with that style of headbow, and she never tries anything else. A flatter kind of headbow, or berets, or clips maybe, but the sweet style giant headbow with no hair to balance it out looks bad.

>>10875701
>short hair can work
I didn't say you could not make short hair work. It's the style that's the problem. And any lolita appropriate short hair style is still longer than hers, which is why I said she needs to grow it out.

>>10875704
Oh sorry, I didn't mean that you were saying it can't, I was more adding to the discussion.

"Regency inspired"

>>10875708
Christ, did she make that dress herself?

>>10875671
yes, that's what i'm saying. her coords are sloppy, and she could be better if she put forth some actual effort

>>10875708
My cat threw up something the other day that looked like this.

>>10875485
>same blouse in every coord
>same dingy white tights
>same rancid sneakers
>same three dresses
Just stop.

>>10875739
Piss chan 2.0

>>10875708
does she know what the regency era is?

>>10875739
kino

>>10875484
Something is wrong with my brain. This feels like it has all the necessary "parts" that make it a coord but it still looks ita as fuck. Can someone break it down?

>>10875800
Not ayrt, but the filthy, broken mary janes, ugly crew socks, and mismatched cheap accessories that are only kind of in the same color family is definitely contributing. The lack of color cohesion is really making me seethe, personally. Also, I don't think she's wearing a petticoat (or is wearing a very very small one), which just gives it an awful silhouette for an AP dress.

>>10875801
Don’t forget the they/them badge kek

>>10875801
>>10875802
agreed about everything plus the cheap blouse that doesn't match anything and the super long bloomers despite the dress already being long on her look awful too

"Sporty lolita" from Hoshibako Works

>>10875841

>>10875841
>>10875842
chav lolita

>>10875708
she doubled down and reposted a "new revised version" after being told this isn't lolita.

>>10875848
Excuse me, it's obviously gopnik lolita

>>10875841
This is so horrible. It’s excellent.

>>10875853
>I plan to add some thick ribbon and a bow in order to emphasize the high waist
i can promise you that you do not need to "emphasize" anything else on that hell tube. burn it

>>10875780
t-rex kei

>>10875853
What made her think stitching some yellow tea towels to the front was an excellent idea?

>>10875853
is she colorblind? what possessed her to use that mustard bustle?

>>10875887
"bustle" is being generous, looks like she cut up a bedskirt

>>10875483
oh hell no what the fuck is this???

>>10875890
fine, lemme rephrase: what possessed her to glue the fabric representation of a cheddar and sour cream ruffle chip to her crotch?

>>10875714
Poor cat.

>>10875671
People are talking about the sticker test but I think she'd look fine in the face if she wore the right kind of makeup. Don't know why people think that no makeup goes with a style as polished as lolita.

>>10875801
The hair is making me seethe personally. Poorly maintained washed out tumblrina dye job on greasy bangs and everything else slicked back.
I don't think peeking bloomers go well with this style either.

>>10875841
>>10875842
I love this in all it's ita ass glory, would wear casually and not call it lolita. good for working out but maintaining the "weirdo in frills" reputation I have in this small ass town. Would like it even more with a few design adjustments.

>>10875842
I wonder how the ouji thread residents like this release

>>10875483
Let me guess, Closet of Fetishists?

>>10875910
it does if you're not unfortunate looking.

>>10875910
If you have clear skin and are either wearing any old school style or contemporary casual lolita then I think there's a good chance being bare faced will work. Less likely with other contemporary styles imo.

>>10875482
Gross ass coomer

>>10875910
>she’s never looked at old school snaps

>>10875887
It's not a bustle PLEASE don't call it that...

this stupid bitch is shilling hot topic dresses now as "lolita" fml

>>10875914
>good for working out
We all know you retards that say stuff like this don't actually work out and are just LARPing in your head about the one day you might try it and never go again. I'm sorry but no lolita who actually works out is going to look this retarded, and if they do then they'll rightfully be posted to the farms

>>10875984
It would just be really impractical for any kind of exercise, don't hamper your workout just to look like a (ita) weirdo. You could maybe do the top and pants of the right here >>10875842 but still you'd be really hot and uncomfortable, that material does not breathe well.

I hate men

>>10875482
Is this the same girl?

>>10875978
yeah ngl she’s become the ita ambassador. if you’re cheap enough to want a piece of shit hot topic dress just fucking order off of taobao jfc

>>10875984
You're right taking a long walk, jogging, or lifting small weights totally isn't working out Anon, infamously difficult to do in anything that isn't a sports bra and running shorts. Women have never historically worked out in corsets.
>>10875986
Yeah I wish it was in a jersey fabric and didn't have the frills on the chest area, basically a fancier Adidas sweater dress with a petti. I appreciate it conceptually.

>>10876006
fujo phenotype

words cannot explain how bad her coords hurt my eyes and mind

>>10876026
Besides the shape of the petti, what is bothering you in this coord to the extent that it would make you post her? She seems like your average beginner from lower classes.

>>10876026
What's with the granny hair

>>10876033
she's a lolita since 10 years, she frequently mock lower classes and desu she don"t do any efforts on her hair and makeup


if you wear hime lolita and want the coord to look good, working on your hair and makeup is a basic step

>>10876037
**and she don't do any efforts on her hair and makeup

>>10876037
>she's a lolita since 10 years, she frequently mock lower classes
Yikes, context made it worse

>>10876026
Not even one of her worst coord imo. What in the Spirit Halloween is this ?

>>10875841
>>10875842
i kinda love these lmao

>>10876017
I've been seeing more workout skirts and dresses recently online, there's been more of a demand for feminine workout gear lately. Maybe if we're lucky we could get some that's more frilly and less just straight clean lines so we can work out in the frills we deserve.

>>10876062
I don't necessarily want a full lolita fit but I could definitely use something in between lolita and form revealing leggings.

>>10876063
it sounds cute in theory but I'd feel bad wearing it because by the nature of it being exercise clothes, they're going to get sweaty/dirty/put through a lot of stress

>>10876005
the coord looks fine, retard.

>>10876006
this girl is in my com and i'm pretty sure she's a minor, or said she was at a meet.

Uncle Fester wants to be kawaii

>>10876020
lies, all fujos i know are pretty

>>10876076
WHY

this thread is so mean and evil. youre basically those evil stacies that mock the ugly girls just trying to dress up, theres nothing wrong with half of the pictures here.

>>10876090
remember when ita used to be about hot topic dresses and replicas and lace monsters and objectively bad outfits and not just about the wearer themselves looking unfortunate (or just being fat/trans/unfeminine)?

>>10876092
>>10876090
>inb4 sorry you got posted

>>10876092
Kek newfag
>>10876090
You're gonna have to keep crying about it in every ita thread, because they're gonna keep getting posted and made fun of and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>10876074
bait or is your taste just that shit?

>>10876075
why are they posting lingerie pics then? where the fuck are their parents?

>>10876092
Did you miss the hot topic dress in the thread? the girl with her bra out and nothing over or under it??? the dirty shoes?

>>10876062
That would certainly be nice, I'm not saying I want to be decked out in an OTT cats tea party coord, but something matching the aesthetic that's still comfy and has a longer skirt would be nice. Even outside of lolita I generally don't like showing off my body a lot, and there's not a lot of nice options regarding that so I feel like a slob when working out, even just in a pink t-shirt. Maybe I just have too much of a tendency to over-dress.

>>10876120
how the fuck should i know? teenagers are stupid

>>10876124
did you miss where we said "half" and not "all"

>>10876076
MY EYEs

>>10876130
please point out which ones aren't ita to you so we can laugh at your stupidity

>>10876120
She makes and sells fetish bs and posed with a dildo on that same acc so I sincerely hope she's not a minor. Check the farms, she just got posted recently

>>10876140
i'm not discounting the possibility she lied about her age, which is also weird. just relaying what i heard.

>>10876129
that was a rhetorical question, anon.

>>10876130
Let me point out more things then: bad hair dye jobs (eg the classic brassy washed-out green), terrible makeup, the extremely bad DIY JSK, sailor moon socks on unrelated JSK that doesn't fit a petti and general 'loliables' from people who couldn't bother putting together a coord because all they think they need is one JSK (brand or not).

>>10876005
didn't know that PhilosophyTroon got into lolita

>>10876037
>>10876026
This girl is mentally handicapped tho

If you look like a bald rat don't wear Lolita

>>10876005
you can still see his five o'clock shadow under all that make up

>>10876234
hair has potential to look nice (just needs curly hair care and products), and genuinely think they have a cute face. Can't even see their outfit. Don't post blatant vendettas like this.

>>10876243
he looks like a greasy homeless man

>>10876251
Looks like the opposite problem, the curls look dry and frizzy. Face is clear of blemishes and doesn't look greasy at all to me. If this is a man, he's got a pretty face that's very feminine.

>>10876254
His skin looks overly dry and unwashed at the same time and his hair is literally clumped together with grease and filth. The sad excuse for bangs barely hiding his receding hairline is downright repulsive. Is this bait or are you just defending yourself kek

>>10876251
>>10876255
This is a girl you guys are out of your minds

>>10876234
well anon id say you’re in luck because this person is not wearing lolita

>>10876257
it's just the same person with a vendetta over whoever this is.

>>10875484
HER SHOE

>>10875853
>the name of the group
> no one wears it properly

>>10876234
>>10876234
This person was just showing what their bangs look like if they don't straighten them. Since when is it ita to show the process of getting ready?
They wear perfectly good coords and the anon who posted them is just vendetta posting.

>>10876294
and this is why terfs are annoying. literally attacking a cis woman because she dared to take a photo of her bangs before she straightened them.

>>10876297
Fuck off troon simp.

>>10876234
Being ugly/ a masculine face doesn't make someone ita, the sticker test exists. She usually has good coords as you see here >>10876294

>>10876051
there is literally nothing wrong with this. vendetta/nitpick

>>10876005
outfit is fine, this is an ita thread not a troon circlejerk

>>10876234
there isn't even an outfit here to make fun of. off topic vendetta. kill yourself

>>10876298
seething over a made up troon inside your head. kek. she's a regular woman and neither ugly or masculine. cry harder.

>>10876234
Well nonny deleted their nitpick now so no evidence of their stupidity.

>>10876006
Fucking hell...she literally has the same body as some of my guy friends

>>10876076
Absolute cringe

>>10876301
more like they got b& for vendettaposting

>>10876298
can someone explain to a newfag what the fuck the sticker test is

>>10876325
if you put a "sticker" over someone's face (like some kind of sticker you can add with any phone app or whatever) and the coord looks good then it "passes". it's stupid and not real and is only ever used here on /cgl/.

>>10876063
>>10876065
>>10876126
Stuff like this already exists for mainstream fashion and seems to be growing in popularity. So there is kind of an option for working out in dresses and skirts made for exercise. Things like tennis skirts and ballet overskirts too are an option. It'd just be nice for there to be frilly options, which maybe eventually if we're lucky. The Hoshibako one has the spirit (kinda) but not really the execution to be much other than a novelty.

>>10876330
aye cheers anon

>>10876338
yes but this is unbelievably short

>>10876330
If being ugly alone makes you ita then 90% of lolitas are ita by default. Being ugly doesn't mean you can't dress nice. Again look at >>10876294, she's plain but still dresses nice. She's not ita. Exception for men tho they will always be ita as evidenced here >>10876076 >>10876005

>>10875841
finally something unseelie_allure can wear to the gym!

>>10876349
that first girl isn't ugly or plain; she is well-groomed, has put effort into her hair and makeup, her face isn't weird, and she's thin. your definition of attractiveness sounds sounds skewed.

>>10876330
i don't have a problem with the sticker test in the theory; it helps me look at coordinates objectively without bias. even before /cgl/ i'd put my thumb over someone's face and see if it made me like the coordinate more. unconscious bias is real.

>>10876352
Multiple anons mistook her for a man, so yes I would say she is plain.

>>10876352
i like the sticker test because ita is about bad outfits. if you want to make fun of uggos you can do that literally anywhere without the pretext of it being about the outfit. ita is peer review. a newfag should ideally be able to look through an ita thread and get an idea of what's unacceptable.

that's why we call out nitpicks or describe exactly what's wrong with the outfit if it isn't fucking obvious. that's why vendettas don't belong here. the system doesn't work when the thread constantly gets contaminated with "acceptable coord, ugly wearer" and "this coord is cohesive but is too casual/doesn't suit the posters personal tastes" and schizos breaking out the gender calliper and refusing to actually discuss the god damn outfit.

tldr: you can mock someone's weight, face, gender, etc pretty much anywhere online but this is the only place you're still allowed to post and discuss itas. it'd be nice if we could stay on topic.

>>10876355
when will people wake up and realise sweet ouji fucking sucks and never looks good.

>>10876364
nonna-chan has never seen a sweet ouji

>pic related

someone please burn this thing

>>10876365
this looks like shit, my point is proven

>>10876355
the only person that thought she was a man was a vendettaposter. an androgynous face =/= plain

>>10876356
>>10876357
>>10876358
these people being in camps

>>10876366
disgusting dirt ball

>>10876338

>>10875853
She didn't need to tell anyone the JSK was handmade, that's very obvious. Even if the material wasn't so unfortunate she has less skill sewing than an 8 yr old sweat shop worker in the SHEIN factory.

>>10876471
This looks retarded

>>10876249
People of Walmart

>>10876480
Can you see workout and lolita being combined in a way that doesn't look retarded? I'm trying to figure that out, can't say I like the design here either but not sure of what outfit elements would be best.

>>10876485
AP used to release cutsew OPs all the time. you want lolita workout? there you go. some are even hoodie dresses

>>10876497
Cute idea, but I would never work out in brand. Fastest way to destroy a clothing item, not to mention the pit stains on cotton will be too apparent.

>>10876299
Oh nonnie, you silly goose. It’s always troon circlejerk o’clock on cgl.

>>10876500
wash your clothes retard

anyone getting the peepee poopoo blouse?

>>10876505
I do? You just missed my point. Also, no need to be so rude...

Sick of seeing this antivax bitch abuse her brand

>>10876533
Image didn’t attach, fuck. Here is the antivax Jesus freak. No wonder all her friends leave her.

>>10876530
the cutsew OPs are meant for casual/daily wear, they aren't going to get destroyed from being used that way if you wash them and aren't being retarded. pit stains come out easily. you can probably find similar items from taobao if you're that poor.

if you want to work out on lolita, that's an option. if you're scared of your clothes getting dirty or sweaty, then you don't want to work out in lolita.

>>10876505
nayrt but the friction of movement when wearing the item, and then also things like sweat and body oils getting onto it, and then also the cleaning process (whether it's hand wash, machine wash or dry clean) all contribute to wear/tear/deterioration of an item. Sports/exercise are much harder on an item than just doing something calm and slow paced.
I would buy cute sports wear but wouldn't pay as much per item as I am willing to pay for lolita blouses, skirts and dresses. I would not buy brand cutsews and hoodies to do sports in. They're not as comfortable as actual sports wear and weren't made to withstand that.

>>10876554
Nta but "not made to withstand" mostly regular life? Like are you running marathons? I don't see an issue with most things wearing something really casual- I'd just like more options because I'm not a sweet and most of the examples I can find are sweet-centric, but I'm not sure how you would mesh classic lolita with workout stuff lmao or if it's even possible without being the most Italian abomination.

>>10876558
I've been outed as a phone poster fml why autocorrect

>>10876535
antivax and being religious has nothing to do with horrible she looks (and she does look horrible). wtf did she even do to the OP
>>10876505
lolitas are afraid to wear and wash their clothes, what’s new

>>10876560
seriously is she blind

>>10876535
Is this the girl who won American Idol and is friends with the girls in the failed 2nd Sac comm?

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>>10876568
Iirc all her friends are leaving her after her getting kicked out of Fanime for not being vaccinated. A lot of her longtime friends have left her.

>>10876535
stop posting images of her whether you're her or not her. We're all sick of seeing her face around here.

>>10876571
Are we not supposed to post itas when they drop atrocities like that?

>>10876558
I have been into lolita for a long time and have also worn some pieces to death.
I wear lolita for leisurely activities, slow paced activities, etc, such as going to meets, going shopping, going out with friends, special occasions with family. During those activities I don't sweat much at all, and also don't tend to get my clothes dirty, I also don't subject my clothes to a lot of friction. When I work out I'm either on my exercise bike, doing stretches on my back or knees, or doing hours of walking outside, which does tend to lead to a lot of pilling and thinning on items caused by the friction of the movement. I also get dirt on my shoes and trousers/pants/bottoms, and I also get sweat onto my shirts if the weather is hot.
If my lolita clothes got that dirty I would do a laundry pre treatment before tossing them into the washing machine. Of course that's going to wear them out more than just directly tossing them into the washing machine.
If you wear one lolita item a lot for leisurely activities that piece will eventually also start to show signs of deterioration due to friction, for example fabric can wear thin on bloomers, lace starting to fray or come loose at the seam under the arm (for example the btssb babydoll jsk) because of arm movement. Exercise causes much more friction to pieces so the rate at which it deteriorates is much quicker. That is one reason why I would not like to wear lolita for the exercise/movement that I do. Another reason is that exercise clothes are made specifically to be very comfortable to wear during exercise, some are designed to wick sweat away from the body. No lolita cutsew or hoodie is as stretchy and soft as my exercise clothes. I also have some brand items that started pilling after the first wash, that has never happened to any of my sports wear. Casual lolita items are, imo, for casual lolita wear, not sports wear. If you want to wear them for your work outs that's up to you. I just explained why I wouldn't.

>>10876573
at this point it's so fucking obvious she is posting herself to CGL in the lolita and cosplay threads that I just don't want her to get any joy from the (negative or otherwise) attention she'll get here. So hopefully she'll just go away if we ignore her.

>>10876584
I don’t think we should ignore the awful things she has done though, because then she gets to be happy and have no repercussions

>>10876585
I think the farms are more suitable if you want to make posts about specific people and all the drama they caused. If you post it here you might get into rule breaking territory. I would love a drama discussion thread on CGL and for people to be able to say "this is such and such, they've done this and that (insert screen caps/proof)" but I'm not sure if that's allowed.

>>10876568
>won American Idol
kek she lost America's Got Talent. Discount cosplay on a discount reality show

>>10876570
That's sad. If you're reading here FZ then they weren't your real friends to begin with and you can absolutely do better. People leaving over a health decision you made about your own body is wack.

>>10876485
Not really. Workout clothes is either form fitting, or it’s just shirt or hoodie with sweatpants. The silhouette is completely opposite from lolita, it’s like asking how to turn a ballroom gown into a workout outfit. For a better comparison, imagine trying to design men’s workout clothes based off a tuxedo. If you wear sweet and want to be ~kawaii~ while exercising and retain some modesty, you’re better off buying a pink tracksuit. If you wear classic or gothic just buy some exercise clothes in jewel tones/black. It’s not hard.

As for working out in regular ass lolita, I could never workout wearing a long, voluminous skirt. Most exercise skirts are short for a reason. If I’m doing mountain climbers or something on the floor I don’t need a massive skirt flapping in the way or dragging on the ground every time I lunge forward. Even if you wear baggy sweatpants, it doesn’t hinder your field of view nearly as much. The only thing I could imagine wearing a lolita dress for “exercise” is if you’re just like, walking.

>>10876591
Her lying to her friends about being unvaxxed is not a health choice. It’s a political choice. Some of her more influential friends have even come out to say that she tried to badger her way using influence into a vaxxed con, and that she purposely lied to immunocompromised people about it. Go catch polio idiot.

>>10876596
I don’t give a shit about this girls drama but why do so many of you assume that anti covid vax = anti all vax? I’m not getting the covid vax but if I had kids they sure as hell would get polio vax, hpv vax, tetanus, etc. Keep bootlicking the government though, they don’t give a fuck about you. You’re just a walking dollar sign to them.

>>10876568
>failed 2nd Sac comm
You reek of cope, and alcohol.

>>10876601
Her ex-bestfriend friend who was also a “creator” on that godforsaken app exposed her for being a antivax schemer who intentionally lied to very sick people about it, and that she is very unrepentant about it.

>>10876596
So tired of this argument, especially now. If you got the vax, and you wear a mask, wouldn’t you feel protected enough? Why does anyone else’s status matter to you

>>10876607
Okay Zelda. It’s ok. Turn your phone off and hump a Bible or something.

>>10876560
i just don't get it desu like. they're clothes, not museum pieces. they won't be pristine forever no matter what you do. "wahhh friction and washing causes wear it" oh no your dress might need some repairs in 5-10 years because you actually wore it regularly! (never mind that leaving the dress full of your skin oils also degrades the fabric). it's not like it's going to be grubby after 2 or even 10 washes, and a lot of normal wear and tear damage is easy as hell to repair, especially on cutsew pieces that are intentionally designed to be plainer and easy to maintain (ie, no delicate lace parts, material usually unlikely to run and stretchy enough to resist pilling and pulled threads, a lot of them are even machine washable). the main risk i see is if you're using certain machines you'll want to be mindful your skirt doesn't get caught in anything, but that applies to working out in a skirt in general.

ultimately even if you only ever wear a dress once a year to a sterile room sooner or later it's gonna need maintenance, you may as well actually enjoy it. you can't say you want lolita workout clothes, then look at lolita casual wear and yell about how you could never ever risk damaging your precious burando. that just means you don't actually want lolita workout clothes.

>>10876607
>If you got the vax, and you wear a mask, wouldn’t you feel protected enough?

that's not how it works though. Firstly, you wearing the mask protects other people more from you than it protects you from them. Secondly the more people get the vaccine the less the virus can spread. Google "what is herd immunity". Some people have medical reasons why they cannot get the vaccine, so your "personal choice" not to get one for political reasons endangers those people. Thirdly, if this is a personal choice then don't lie about it in order to gain entry to a vax only anime convention or any other event where the requirement for entry is to be vaxxed.

>>10876607
you can choose not to get the vaxx, but other people have the right to ban you from certain events to protect immunocompromised attendees. if you sneak in or lie, you're not only trespassing, you're potentially endangering the attendees the rule is meant to accommodate.

events have terms of service. if you choose to violate those terms, you are not entitled to access the event, same way you'll get thrown out of a no camera event for snapping photos. it's really that simple.

>>10876609
>"wahhh friction and washing causes wear it"

nayrt,
There's a big difference between washing and wearing your lolita clothes regularly and taking care of them by doing repairs, and actually wearing them for activities you know will make them wear out faster. If you exercise in your lolita clothes they will not live to see 5-10 years. If you do regular non exercise activities in them and you rotate pieces (don't wear the same dress a lot) then they might make it 5-10 years of regular wear.

yes, I agree it's ridiculous that some lolitas are so scared of ruining their brand they won't even get it properly cleaned or wash it themselves. But that's not the same as mocking people for not wanting to jog in their brand. What would that even look like? Cutsew and bloomers? If you wear them for that several times a week you will wear through them within a few months even if you rotate pieces. The fabric gets thin and eventually develops a hole. I don't really think that's "easy as hell to repair" without it being obvious. And why would you even want to? It's just going to tear close to the area you just patched. Some cutsews also pill really easily, and the only recommendation I've ever seen is an electrical or manual shaving device. That solution ends up thinning your fabric.

It's obvious people want lolita workout clothes that are actually comfortable to work out in and easy to clean and even cost considerably less than regular lolita item prices. I don't think that's a very realistic wish though. Imo people are better off accepting that their cute workout clothes won't be lolita, or to just go for regular boring workout clothes that are really durable.

>>10876051
WIDE LOAD

>>10875483
who remembers that "ero sweet" ita that posted to CoF years ago who essentially did the same thing with a bralette corset thing and a skirt and giant head bow

i don't have the pic saved but it's literally burnt into my brain it's so bad

Peepee poopoo blouse looks straight out of shrek

>>10876615
i have pieces that are almost 20 years old and still in great shape despite regular wear by multiple owners, i seriously doubt exercise is going to reduce the lifespan that dramatically. i have no idea what you're doing to your dresses if they're falling apart in 5-10 years with "good maintenance" or if your entire closet is nu-ap poly garbage but your estimates are beyond unrealistic. im also suspecting none of you have ever actually owned any of the cutsew OPs or hoodies.

i'm not saying you have to exercise in lolita, and i wasn't making fun of anon for not wanting to do it: i'm just saying anon shouldn't say they want lolita exercise wear if they're unwilling to wear lolita while exercising, and am making fun of them for THAT.

anyway, i reiterate: you want something comfortable, easy to care for, and theoretically feasible for physical activity? cutsew pieces. want it to be cheaper (which... kind of laughable. good exercise clothing is expensive as shit to begin with)? go taobao/indie, plenty of indie brands do cutsew pieces too. still not happy? then learn to sew and make some ita ass adidas kei bullshit or whatever but don't act like the options don't exist. they do, you just only like the idea in theory.

>>10876626
if this is your idea of fat i'd hate to see what skinny looks like

>>10876638
Nice cope. We need to bring back openly fat shaming you burgers

>>10876637
>i have no idea what you're doing to your dresses if they're falling apart in 5-10 years with "good maintenance"

ayrt,
95% of my closet is cotton, mostly old btssb. I used to be a daily lolita (like at least 6 days a week and had a pretty active lifestyle) in my uni years with a much smaller closet than I have now and I have absolutely worn through some items. When I say regular wear I was coming from that POV and not someone who wears lolita only during the weekend (doesn't make you less of a lolita but does make a big difference towards how long your clothes will last). The bigger your closet and the more you rotate pieces within your closet, the less wear each piece gets and the longer they can last. I have items older than 20 years old that are in great condition simply because they weren't used much and were stored properly. Maintenance and repairs doesn't prevent an item from getting worn out generally. If you rotate a smaller closet pretty evenly, and you wear one of your favorite pieces once a week then you can pat yourself on the back if it lasts 10 years. Regular wear and washing will absolutely wear down the fabric over time. I think most pieces will start looking worn down after 5 years if you wear them that often. Some items get worn out earlier than others. Socks, petticoats and bloomers are usually the first to die. Some petticoats can be revived though, depends on the material. Next up is blouses, then dresses. But also, brand quality isn't guaranteed to be consistent even if your items come from the same era. One dress might start pilling after one wash.

>>10876637
ayrt cont.
If my normal workout clothes don't last 5 years, my lolita clothes wouldn't either if I used them for exercise. And what standard are you using for an item "lasting"? A dress could have been worn thin and technically still be in one piece, you could say "it has lasted" and I would say it's worn out. Cotton brand isn't sturdier than my workout clothes or more suited to workout activities than my workout clothes.
I have 3 sets of workout clothes, and I workout 4 times a week for 1.5~2 hours. After about 2 years these items will be faded (especially the shirts), have pilling (inner thighs and underarms) and might develop holes at some seams. Fabric also tends to get thinner quicker in some locations, and there might be areas where the fabric warps permanently. They no longer look presentable then.

And no, I do have brand cutsews and one hoodie. Imo they tend to show signs of wear quicker than blouses.

You sound like you have no experience actually wearing lolita (especially cotton pieces) 6 to 7 days a week and seeing what wearing and washing does to it over the years.

>>10876644
i'm also a daily wearer, and while i'll grant that my wardrobe is pretty decently sized, i still think your experience may be based in poor maintenance habits. cope about it i guess, but writing two max character limit essays just to defend some retard in the ita thread is really weird and i don't want to enable you anymore.

>>10876090
It's not hard to cosplay characters that fit your body type
Also crossplay is gross. Gender roles are natural law and should be respected, they're part of how Haruhi designed the world

>>10876497
cutsew ops are like hoodie material, too warm to work out in unless you're outside in the winter.

>>10876471
>>10876480
lolita is one of my main motivators to get out of the house and do things. it'd be nice to have a lolita-esque option for workout clothes to help motivate me to keep active. even if it's stupid to most people, well, that's lolita as a whole to most people. not like i've cared about what people think of how i dress til now. i'd love cute frilly workout dresses or shorts.

>>10876595
Kinda tempted to modify some gym clothes to be kawaii just to prove you wrong. No reason I gotta be like you and settle for boring normie shit. You really think it's the colorscheme that people care about in this discussion?? lmao pink tracksuit

>>10876644
completely agree about hoodies and cutsews wearing out faster than other items. all my blouses are basically pristine and all of my cutsews definitely show their age. prev anon doesn't know what they're talking about

>>10876535
her not having the same copy paste personality like all UWU tiktoklitas has nothing to do with her ita look

>>10876533
>>10876535
>antivax
That's based, actually

>>10876638
>>10876641
Either op replied
>WIDE LOAD
on the wrong pic, or they're just trying to be edgy and triggering. No one who isn't mentally ill would consider >>10876051 overweight.

>>10876674
You’re either trolling, American or this is the only pic you’ve seen of this woman. She is most definitely fat by most societal standards

>>10876674
She isn’t obese but she’s definitely a bit chubby, anon. Probably on the higher side of normal BMI or the low end of overweight.

>>10876571
I couldn't imagine this creature flopping about on stage. it's probably too round to even flop, it must roll

>>10876674
lurk moar newfag. calling her fat has been a meme for years. this board has gotten so bad.

>>10876505
nayrt but buy some actual workout clothes retard
your body will not combust if you put on some leggings and a sports bra instead of AP to get on the treadmill, promise

>>10876657
>>10876657
>>10876657
Then modify it, I’d love to see it or any ideas you have especially if they’re different from >>10876471 which looks andolutely regretsy-tier and impractical to me.

There have been JP brands that have made frilly tracksuits before. It went on sale at Tokyo Rebel before it closed down. It didn’t look good though.

>>10876692
Been here for 6 years, and if it's a meme, it's a stupid obscure one. Take your bullshit with her to the farm.

>>10876571
If he’s a veteran seamstress you’d think he’s outfit would actually look Lolita and not like a party city Barbie costume. I swear men are ruining the EGL community.

>>10876571
WIDE LOAD

>>10876720
of course they are. men forcing their way into female spacies and ruining them is nothing new, kek

>>10876695
Yea that's because tracksuits are ugly as sin and you suggesting them as an option in this discussion tells me all I need to know about your fashion sense. And no shit a tracksuit with frills is gonna look terrible. If you think I mean "slap ruffles and lace onto gym shorts and a tshirt" when I say modify then no wonder this community hates modifications so much

>>10876745
Unironically try a dancewear shop, ballet warm-up clothes and practice outfits are pretty cute and are actual activewear.

>>10876747
Yeah like if ballerinas can wear crazy ass tutus and long dresses in Russian ballet I can do yoga in one. If Hamilton has ppl dancing in corsets and effectively suit jackets just copy the modifications on them? idgi
>>10876658
Nta but if you're using something to the fullest extent and loving it and repairing it till it dies isn't that the greatest joy? Idk even if it lasts less I would rather look cute and ultimately lose a piece than hate myself for looking like a slob while working out. I know there's an in-between there, just voicing an alternative point of view.

Back on topic, we need more itas on the level of >>10876571 I love the pure unfiltered insanity

>>10876674
She’s an obese ddlg kinkster. Good job outing yourself as not knowing who she is dumbass.

>>10876745
>no wonder this community hates modifications so much
the community hates shitty landwhale modifications on lolita dresses. no1curr about what you’re going to do to a leotard. what’s with retarded newfags shitting up the threads, didn’t school start already?

If they aren't pretty they should stop dressing lolita, even if their coords are fine. That's just a waste of clothes on such vile creatures

>>10876775
Take your vendetta elsewhere

unsettling

>>10876695
>There have been JP brands that have made frilly tracksuits before. It went on sale at Tokyo Rebel before it closed down. It didn’t look good though.
You mean the Novala Takemoto line? That deserved to go straight in the trash.

>>10876781
can someone explain what’s happening here

>>10876781
Her head looks pasted on.

>>10876650
>i still think your experience may be based in poor maintenance habits

You sound like you don't know what you're talking about. You thinking cutsews and hoodies hold up well just confirmed it.

>i'm also a daily wearer

suuuuuuure you are.

You're also missing the point if you think me writing all of that was to defend some rando online. It was to educate your ignorant self.

>>10876720
>I swear men are ruining the EGL community.

they always have from the start. I don't think they have any place in lolita spaces. Isobe, Mana and the like are obvious exceptions because they're not trying to insert themselves into local communities.
I think our communities would be more relaxed and safer without fetishists/sissies/AGPs, I would love local and online comms to be female only spaces. To appease them the lolita subreddit could be the fetishist/sissy/AGP containment zone.

>>10876774
what's with these proportions? Did you shrink her head?

>>10876778
Ugly girls and women wanting to dress in pretty clothes is the most lolita thing ever and has been a cornerstone of the lolita culture since its inception, you could even say that's what started it.

>go on r/lolita
>see tranny asking for a store to give him a "lolita makeover" to live out his feminization fetish or something
Fresh account too, probably has something to hide kek. One of the itas there is probably gonna tell him where to go so he can get his easy boner too, that's the saddest part. I hope the store employees can just make an excuse not to do it to him. That sub is hopeless

>>10876806
Oh, that post is 2 days old. Then he made a post in another subreddit asking the same thing, kek.

christ

>>10876802
no, she’s just unfortunately shaped + bad angle and ill fitting clothes

>>10876812
Please stop self-posting. It's cringe.

>>10876812
you're a perma ita. Please stop self posting here.

>>10876800
they hold up fine if you aren't retarded. skill issue, seethe harder, etc.

>>10876836
You're free to try using brand cutsews for working out. Report back to us when the pilling starts.

>>10876812
Imagine wearing a 300+ dress with aliexpress shit that cost 2 dollars. How does she manage to make AP look line cheap garbage

>>10876812
makeup like this is so off-putting

>>10876852
It looks like when a 4 year old gets into mommy's makeup

>>10876774
The chan that don’t like Catholics?

>>10876840
i'm not the idiot who wanted to work out in lolita in the first place, i think it's stupid, but i do have several cutsews that have held up for almost 10 years of regular wear during errands, multi hour festivals/conventions, hikes-- not a gym, but certainly not delicate treatment. there's some slight pilling on the inside, but none on the outside. if someone wanted to work out in them, they could, and probably still get a few more years out of them. which was the point, since anon claimed they wanted to work out in lolita for some god forsaken reason.

stay mad. keep convincing yourself that everyone else's clothes are fragile because you're either buying shit pieces or taking care of them poorly. if you want to work out in lolita, options exist. if you don't, then don't do it idfc.

but if you're not doing it because of some delusion your bc clothes are gonna last forever (i mean, you're complaining that even your so called delicate treatment doesn't extend the lifespan, so what's the point of all the caution?) or that you shouldn't do something because it might shorten the lifespan of the piece: i mean, i guess that's your choice, but i think it's weird to prioritise that over wearing your clothes whenever and wherever you feel like it and repair/replace when they do eventually wear out.

>>10876863
What's with all the catholic hate lately? I've seen an indie brand make it their mission to do gothic dresses with no crosses and another one whose whole gimmick is catholic shit make a big show of not using crosses this time on some item.

>>10876869
as someone who has an active lifestyle my cotton brand cutsews started to pill where my upper arms meet my body, because when I walk I move my arms (as I assume most people do). And that is 100% attributed to the aforementioned friction, and 0% to do with how I wash and store my clothes. Washing can cause pilling but then it's not focused on one area.

> if someone wanted to work out in them, they could, and probably still get a few more years out of them.

I disagree with that because if my regular sturdy and pretty good quality work out clothes will last a maximum of 2 years before they start looking worn out then I don't think a cutsew will perform as well.

>keep convincing yourself that everyone else's clothes are fragile
Strawman. I never said or suggested that and you know it.

>if you're not doing it because of some delusion your bc clothes are gonna last forever
so which one is it?

>you're either buying shit pieces or taking care of them poorly.
cop out times 2. Unless you honestly think old school btssb is "shit'. Those are fighting words.

>i mean, you're complaining that even your so called delicate treatment doesn't extend the lifespan, so what's the point of all the caution?
I'm sure my clothes would look worn out sooner if I was rougher with them, the way I clean and store my things is geared towards making them last as long as possible with normal use. I also know that if I work out in them they're going to get worn out sooner so I decide not to work out in them and pick clothes that are more suitable for workouts instead.

My clothes also last way longer than 10 years now simply because my wardrobe is at least twice as big as it once was and I can rotate things more. When I had what was essentially a capsule wardrobe (and not in the habit of selling pieces and buying new ones in return) I was using the same pieces pretty intensively. That's when I wore through some things.

>>10876872
I guess they just want gothic aesthetic without religious imagery?

>>10876801
It’s so disappointing to see lolita fashion turn into this male infested space. I long for the days back in the Early 2000s - Early 2010s where lolita was almost exclusively female and men were considered weird or fetishists for trying to wear the fashion. Now we have actual moderators of lolita communities denying to ban fetish or DDLG content. absolutely disgusting.

I feel like anons itt aren’t even disagreeing on the main point about clothing quality and working out they just wanna argue. Except for the weirdos who actively want to wear lolita to the gym (did anyone even say that though?)

>>10876872
desu I don’t like crosses on dresses bc I’m not religious but I have religious friends so I feel weird about it. I’m limited to coffins and roses

>>10876872
Because there’s centuries of sexual abuse and pedophilia the Catholic Church tries to cover up and bury.

>>10876888
yeah but crosses look cool as shit + aren't just catholic, protestants use crosses more

>>10876880
I loved when my local comm mods would just use a "guilty until proven innocent" mindset about allowing men in. For a while the only guy in my comm was the bf of a lolita, and then he started wearing ouji and enjoyed wearing couples outfits with his gf. It was wholesome. Mods changed, then a guy got in who didn't immediately creep everyone out but 4 years later admitted that wearing women's clothes turned him on. In hindsight I'm astonished at how well he hid it for so long, every other guy I've seen was more obvious about it.

>>10876890
I like religious imagery (stained glass, crosses, church/cathedral architecture) but avoid crosses because it can get really annoying when non lolitas make assumptions or want to start discussions about religion with you if they see crosses on your clothes or crosses as accessories.

>>10876890
Samefag as before, don’t get me wrong, I love religious motifs and biblical art despite not being religious. Grew up in the Bible belt so can’t escape jesus people no matter how hard you try

>>10876890
>>10876894
I love Catholic imagery but I'm not religious, just an art history and theology nerd. I live in the deep South though so I feel like I can't wear cross prints or necklaces without being perceived as a Jesus freak.

>>10876881
Yeah seeing two retards argue about cutsews as if they're the one and only workout option in the entire universe is fucking stupid- this is the ita thread not the semantics thread

>>10876881
Yes, someone literally said that about the tracksuit

>>10876017
No one said it was impossible to do. We're saying you look like a complete retard for doing it. And also extremely impractical, why the fuck would you want to go for a jog in those layers unless you were trying to hamper yourself?

Although youre the type of lardass that considers a "long walk" for a person under 60 to be a workout so you must be the size of a small planet.

>>10876773
this is giving me sissy vibes

>>10876888
i get the assorted reasons to not like religious motifs but honestly having been personally victimised by the church i love crosses with my gothic. the aesthetic is the only part of catholicism worth romanticising and as far as i'm concerned appropriating the imagery for my silly little fashion is compensation for my troubles.

>>10875841
Ngl I really like this, it would be great if it was a raincoat

>>10876872
>i'm le indegenous
>looks like a basic white girl
every fucking time

>>10876961
1/16th cherokee meme is real

>>10876962
It's always generokee

>>10876872
Gothic is inherently European. If you wanna celebrate your indigenous heritage, create your own kei or core, whiny crybully. Same energy as having a fetish for white dudes while ranting about racism.

>>10876533
>>10876535
This reads like a self post clawing for validation on cgl

>>10876571
I feel like this doesn't count. He went out of his way to specify it's not Lolita, but somewhat inspired.

That's not to say anything for the poor fit and fabric/colour choices.

>>10877021
he posted in a lolita group, not a lolita inspired group. He also calls himself "lolita level: intermediate" which is just delusional. And why is it always when someone in a lolita space says they are a drag queen, they are trying to post non lolita outfits in lolita spaces?

>>10876940
Crosses have been a decorative element in goth and punk fashion forever, I never assume someone is Catholic and/or making a religious statement just because they are wearing some cross motif. Even Madonna made cross accessories trendy back in the 80s.

>>10877036
japan also views catholic and christian religions as occult so they really like to use crosses and additional motifs in their stuff.

>>10877036
nayrt but there are some non lolitas who really don't understand that you're not automatically a christian if you wear a cross. A few winters ago I went to visit my aunt for christmas, I was decked out in gothic lolita including a cross necklace (an ornate one from a gothic brand, might have been from alchemy, I don't remember and don't own it anymore) and my aunt assumed I had taken an interest in the good lord, lol. You would think that it is common knowledge that if you see someone wearing a gothic style, that if they're wearing a cross it doesn't mean they're religious. But sadly that is apparently not common sense because it's happened to me a few times. Crosses as fashion/aesthetic is a difficult thing to understand for some people it seems.

I went to a bar with my (then) partner, I was wearing some old school meta (a little edgy) with a cross necklace, and this guy comes up to me, proceeds to tell his life story and then thanks me for being such a good christian woman for lending my ear.

>>10876928
>ignores the rest of what I said
ok dumbass opinion discarded, take your meds and stop hyperfocusing on a single thing I said
here's an old classic to not derail further

>>10877076
I seriously want to know what the goal is for some of these "coords" lolita looks reminiscent to cosplay these days even though the fashion has become infinitely more accessible.

Why do people choose to look like this?

>>10877076
As awful as this is, the thing I can't stop looking at is the fabric and the fact that all the ice creams are sideways.

>>10877096
unfortunate hair aside, this is really cute

>>10877099
are you blind

>>10877104
nayrt but I don’t hate it either. with a better photo and better hair/makeup, i could dig it. nothing offensive about it

>>10876812
Maybe it’s just the lighting but the dress’s color looks so awful it’s like a costume of some anime girl playing dress up also the shoes are god awful

>>10877076
It’s like these people are actively trying to be ita: the awful blue corset with the bodice, the random thanos arm, the awful party city wig. I would be so embarrassed

>>10877038
I doubt that Japanese people see christianity as a cult or some weird devil worship, Just because the majority of them aren’t religious doesn’t mean they have weird misconceptions. Hinduism is a Asian religion and even though it’s not East Asian it probably has the same relevance as christianity over there considering there tourism.

Why do so many black girls insist on wearing replicas? I’ve seen like 3 on my Pinterest without putting in much effort. This coordinate is just shit not even mentioning the normie blouse and hairstyle that doesn’t even look good with the coord.

>>10876355
>>10876366
>>10877096
All these girls are just non binary degenerates that don’t understand that Lolita fashion is a style defined by its feminine roots by women and girls. Thus why there coordinates are shitty and are on this thread.

>>10877117
wearing replica isn't a black girl thing nonna it's an everyone thing

>>10877117
youre racist
its actually just a fat girl thing

>>10877118
Even being nb there's no way you won't be immediately pegged as a woman in a hyperfem fashion so idk why they don't just commit by wearing a wig and being a bit more sensible.

>>10877140
I can see your point but I've also seen more slim/thin/skinny (whatever term you like using) girls wear replicas in the last few years. Sometimes they don't know it's a replica, often times they do but they don't care because they always come up with the same excuses ("I'm a student, I can't afford the original ", "lolitas are classist and elitist, it shouldn't matter where I get my clothes").

The fatties seem to have mostly caught on that brands are making things in their size, and since their main reason for wearing replicas was size related they no longer have that excuse. They're now busy simping for meta and chinese brands.
Lately most of the people I've seen wear replicas are slim, broke students.

>>10877096
they/them core

>>10877143
even more confusing are the "trans male" girlies who come up with mental gymnastics on how they can radiate their manly manliness while in OTT sweet

>>10877165
idk why they don't just do boy style. and i mean actual ouji, not whatever this sweet-ouji-reverse-sissy bs is.

>>10877143
>won't be immediately pegged
:(

>>10877219
>there's no way you won't be immediately pegged
double negative nonny

>>10877220
>will be immediately pegged
:)

>>10877207
because it's a larp. they still want to dress as a woman and be feminine in most contexts. isn't the international brand manager of atepie a he/him but wears dresses?

>>10877140
Just because I pointed out that black girls are wearing replicas doesn’t mean I’m racist, I’m pointing out an issue that should be fixed within that community as replicas are basically the equivalent of art theft. If you’re on the CGL board you probably know enough about Lolita to know that people of all races and sizes are stupid enough to wear replicas. Everything I said about her coordinate was justified criticism.

>>10877226
Ew can you believe this Julius Caesar guy wearing a dress! Too transgressive for fashion!

10877228
This is bait, don't keep replying to this tryhard retard.

>>10876872
I don't give a fuck if she has religious trauma as I'm not one to dictate what someone does and doesn't wanna wear, but it's hilarious when americlaps assume that Christianity is inherently white.

>>10876872
I was raised Catholic and I was always told it was sacrilege to wear crosses on your clothing and especially sacrilege to wear rosaries as a necklace. So I always thought it was edgier to wear crosses.

I‘ve been told a lot of Catholics are told the opposite about wearing crosses though.

>>10877269
>I was raised Catholic and I was always told it was sacrilege to wear crosses on your clothing and especially sacrilege to wear rosaries as a necklace. So I always thought it was edgier to wear crosses.
>I‘ve been told a lot of Catholics are told the opposite about wearing crosses though.

Tooootally what I learned too. Oldfag but that's exactly why Madonna's wearing of rosaries was so controversial, because she piled them on for fashion and wore them with lace bras and so on.

I think it's kinda like the people who think it's super AMERICUH to wear flag print pants or bikinis even though it's actually against the flag code.

People are dumb, in other words.

>>10877269
>>10877281
I actually asked some devout Catholics about this a few months ago out of curiosity, and the general opinion was that it's cool if done respectfully and tastefully as an expression of your own faith, but it's hurtful and appropriative if people are just using it as a hollow aesthetic. Some were touchy about wearing rosaries because of the trend of secular rosary-wearing in the US but it's not a hard no (i.e., not inherently a sin), apparently it's more common for Catholics in Latin America.

So basically it's more about your intentions than the clothes themselves, according to the people I talked to.

she has an onlyfans too lmfao

>>10877299
People pay money to see this rancid beast naked?

>>10877117
because getto?

>>10876781
fat

>>10877226
I don't think he wears lolita outside of work anymore
But also, he is definitely not an ita, his coords are really good

>>10877403
>>10877226

Her coords are really good but I wonder if anyone in Japan actually takes her genderlarp seriously? Like, do her coworkers call her a man, do her ID papers say male and if so how do people react because she does not pass at all?

>>10877441
I'm in a group chat with him, all his coworkers refer to him as a man.

>>10877441
I'm in a group chat with him, all of his coworkers refer to him as a male apparently.

>>10877441
Japan has actually been taking major strides towards becoming lgbt friendly in recent years. As far as i know, his coworkers refer to him as male.

>>10877299
These shitty taobao dresses are literally making the next generation of itas; in the 2010s it was milanoo and costume shops, now in 2023 it’s these Aliexpress lace monsters.

>>10876928
did anyone say working out *in* lolita though? i was reading "lolita workout clothing" as working clothing catering to lolita aesthetics and sensibilities, like the handful of frilly swimsuits brands have done. they're not lolita themselves, but they're aimed at a lolita audience and intended to carry the aesthetic on outside of full coords

>>10877499
they were talking about these posts anon. lurk more and learn to follow response chains.
>>10875841
>>10875842

>>10876940
Ah yes, one person has said it's ok so that means that any of the issues other people have with religious imagery and the religions associated with them are irrelevant. Thanks so much for clarifying.

Saying "I have trauma with this but still am OK with it" is irrelevant. It really all just comes down to personal preference. Brands and designers can choose to exclude religious imagery for all sorts of reasons, for moral reasons, for personal conflicting religious beliefs, for purely aesthetic preferences, it literally doesn't matter. If anything, having variety's usually a good thing, unless you just want crosses on every single dress in which case that's a you thing. Dunno why people are making such a big deal out of it. Don't like how it looks, don't care about the cited reasons, well congratulations nobody's making you buy them.

And for the record, I'm atheist and love using crosses in my coords.

>>10877502
congrats, neither post says anything about working out in lolita, nor do the people responding with interest in lolita workout clothing imply full coords as the intent. so glad to see the reading comprehension level here hasn't changed

>>10877115
its not seen as a cult or devil worship, but it is associated with the occult in japan. the japanese view towards christianity in general is aesthetics first, everything else after. its used for flavor more than anything: weddings and ghost stories being the main examples

ofc, there are churches and christians in japan, but actual devout christians who actively believe in the teachings are the minority

>>10877507
this post >>10876928 that you just replied to was responding to anons saying they'd wear those coords to work out. you need to work on your cognitive thinking.

>>10877115
i take it you've never seen santa on a cross at christmas in japan. but they definitely view it as occult. occult doesn't mean cult anyway...

>>10877510
>>10876017
>I appreciate it conceptually
Hello???? Do you read either???

>>10877506
AYRT i wasn't giving any moral advice on the topic, just that i personally like to appropriate catholic imagery for my aesthetic. whether or not you or anyone else thinks crosses are morally correct to wear is none of my business. i don't know you.

all of you shut the fuck up & post itas

>>10877695
This is the most unsettling image I've seen in a while. The dress (atepie) is the only okay thing in the outfit. The rest is just serial killer vibes.

>>10877695
is that a fucking balaclava

>>10877118
If lolita is the logical endpoint of hyperfem fashion.
Is cowboy/western movie larp wear the logical endpoint of hypermasc fashion? Or is it something else?

>>10877740
Lolita fashion is just one version of hyper feminine fashion, there are others. Lolita fashion is set apart from the others because it's ornate/frilly, takes inspiration from historical fashion and covers a lot of skin. Some people call it "modest", but it's only modest in the way that it's not revealing. I wouldn't consider it modest in terms of aesthetics, as it does stand out a lot. As for what would be an example of hyper masculine fashion, that depends entirely on your taste and point of view as well. Some would choose a a vintage or historical style (lots of men say "peaky blinders" style is super masculine), others would choose a contemporary formal suit, or 80s workout wear, or workwear for a specific job.

>>10877740
basketball shorts

My Lolita dress’s reviews are truly something else. It’s like these people don’t even know what Lolita fashion is. At least in the taobao photos the girl is wearing a petticoat, this girl is giving Christian strip club vibes.

>>10877740
The end point to masculine fashion is probably sports wear or gym clothes. And cowboy clothes are worn by both genders even tho it’s pretty masculine in nature.

>>10877539
Why do all itas feel the need to wear heart shaped glasses? I swear there’s a 9/10 chance they’ll wear them

>>10877851
problem glasses kawaii edition

>>10877851
It's because I'm pretty sure these glasses in particular are super cheap so they get it as an uwu kawaii accessory without actually thinking about how it looks
It makes me pissed because I love heart shaped glasses but they look slapped on haphazardly by every ita and their mom

>>10877667
Bruh, Why this dress and those shoes? If you're gonna get a taobao dress at least try to understand how to coord it. I hate ita's like this. As someone who has many taobao pieces, this type of low effort bs makes me fume. Get some brown sweet themed shoes and chocolate themed socks you tard!

>>10877076
My eyes, burn it please!

Does anyone else find this giant headbow trend in WonderTeaParty to be incredibly ita and annoying to look at? I watched their most recent video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAfe49OKCQo of them visiting Hoshibako Works and they really seemed to like those giant ass bow headbands. Also, its really strange to me, so many of the dresses in the video- I think are taobao dresses (correct me if Im wrong) a few they tried on were of some...interesting quality. I've also noticed that some of the coords they wear are sorta ita too, like the angel wings with the oldschool style just, why?! I feel like its so common to only see Western lolita's be ita now and thats all ppl focus on here.

>>10877851
Heart-shaped glasses just give me unsettling Nabokov vibes.

I bought this dress in black to wear as a punk/goth outfit, not as lolita because imo it looks waay to short to fit the bill- but its being sold as lolita "holy cross gothic lolita jumper dress" lol! The model in the picture looks like she's being held at gunpoint.

>>10878002
i love wtp videos and they're so fun, but i've really wanted to talk about them for a while! like why does ai never wear makeup? what's with the giant SEXY necklace hamuka sometimes wears? i find that sometimes, as a group, their overall style is really hit or miss. pochi, suzunon (when she was a member), yuko, and minami are the only ones who seem to consistently dress well

>>10878002
>Does anyone else find this giant headbow trend in WonderTeaParty to be incredibly ita and annoying to look at

I assumed that was why they wear it.

>so many of the dresses in the video- I think are taobao dresses

Hoshibako works is a chinese brand that has their own factory to produce their own products, and they also sell other chinese brands in their stores in Japan. As for quality, their own original hoshibako works items aren't the worst quality and they're probably better than a lot of other chinese brands but it's not comparable to japanese brand quality from the glory days of japanese brand quality. Everything they sell in japan (their own brand + other brand's items in their stores) they sell at a markup.
If you see a product from them that you want to have, then please check out what it costs in their taobao store.

>>10878052


As I see it Wonder Tea Party is just a mixed group of weird people who all have their own styles and approaches to lolita fashion. Some think it's important to do things by the book (stick more to the guidelines) in order to look polished, others ignore the guidelines and just do what feels right to them. imo the outfits of the more experimental members are very hit or miss, some of which land in ita territory imo. I watch their content for entertainment value, and not as something to take direction from.

The reason we see much more western itas here is that a lot of ita material from japan doesn't make its way over to the english speaking side of the internet.

>>10878002
Maybe I just got unlucky with the shorts I've watched, but I feel like a lot of their outfits are ita. Some of the members dress well, whereas others dress soo bad it makes me not want to watch their videos.

>>10878002
Hamuka has basically always been ita. The coord in the video is basically as good as her coords get now.

>>10878179
when she does a cookie cutter/standard coord she looks fine. But it seems like she has a need to be edgy.

>>10878180
>when she does a cookie cutter/standard coord she looks fine
Maybe if she lost the bloated corpse makeup

>>10878194
good point.

>>10878052
>what's with the giant SEXY necklace hamuka sometimes wears?
I have a feeling it's supposed to be a Dollar Tree stand in for the Westwood SEX choker. Hamuka often tries to replicate the vintage designer look with really cheap items and it always comes out bad imo. Other examples I can recall off the top of my head would be that bustier handbag and the printed corset.

>>10876770
>>10876772
is this the same girl who was calling others fat while she had a profile picture of herself with her jaw shopped into an anime V

>>10876872
whoever wrote this is an idiot. gothic fashion doesn't glorify, celebrate or praise crosses or catholicism in any way, it appropriates and bastardizes it

>>10877143
if they were sensible they wouldn't be identifying as nb

>>10877118
if they're supposedly not women then why do they even want to wear lolita at all?

>>10878236
Fuck if I know or anyone else knows. Why do people who make being genderspecial a personality trait do anything? Even in in-person meets they can barely scrounge up a conversation or not stutter when talking to a waiter kek. Just call them a woman to their faces and they won't really do anything. She'll scrounge up her face maybe then go home and cry.

dont know if this is supposed to go here since its not an ita outfit, but it’s certainly ita behaviour. what kind of psychotic freak describes lolita this way?

>>10878482
a zoomer

>>10878482
god this is agonizing. almost sounds like chatgpt?

>>10876026
Besides granny hair and petti shape I'm having a hard time seeing what else makes it ita or a bad coord. Not bait, if it's there I legit can't see it.
>>10876045
>>10876027
>>10876031
These are terrible though.
>>10876029
And how many pettis does she have down there?

Not a coord but I was browing Wunderwelt and there's this MARBLE brand in which every single item is ita, holy fuck. This is just one of many.

>>10879397
how new are you

>>10879399
Very.

>>10876485
the only example I can think of is this smaller Korean brand, they released a tracksuit type set. Even then, you'd need some shorts under the skirt.
I usually just wear regular athletic wear to the gym though so I can't even say I would wear this.

>>10879205
sounds more like standard depop tag language. dont really know how to describe what i mean just throwing a bunch of "aesthetic" search terms together

>>10879647

Baby's first kuro/gothic coord! No concrit please

>>10879648
GOD THE FUCKING HAIRY LEGS

>>10879648
I don’t hate the coord itself except for the socks. The most ita part is her attitude. Concrit is not optional and please shave your legs, the point of this fashion is a clean and feminine aesthetic, not a lazy scrungly one…

>>10879677
>>10879662
The outfit isn't as terrible as it could be, but I think the gloves, necklace, socks and shoes just don't suit the dress.

I also have nothing against leg hair being visible with normie fashion, but visible leg hair (which it tends to be if you have dark body hair) just isn't cute or elegant so it doesn't suit the fashion. She (?) could have easily worn opaque UTKs or OTKs and we simply wouldn't have known. There's also just an overal impression of lack of hygiene apart from the visible body hair (I'm not saying leg hair is unhygienic, she just gives the impression she doesn't properly wash herself and doesn't take care of her skin, especially her face).

I'm guessing grungy genderspecial on HRT who prefers to be called he/him.

>>10879647
I remember thinking this dress was cute when I saw it on CLU. But this photo makes obvious the low quality of the dress. Glad I didn't get it. I still like the design, but the materials look so cheap.

>>10879648
Am i crazy or is she wearing hair ties over her socks??

>>10879720
I think it's a sheer section and the "hair ties" are the top

>>10879761
I mean this in the nicest way possible, she needs to toss that wig. It’s so ratty and destroyed, it’s not doing her any favors. It just makes her look more greasy and unkept.

>>10879545
Kaneko/Pyshkin Pyshkin is really sucking these days

>>10879677
I was gonna say the coord itself isn't as bad but >>10879693 took my words out of my mouth. Also more personal hygiene, please, but lack of it seems to be a staple of genderspecials.

>>10879648
this one screams annoying genderspecial

>>10879761
>>10879791
I agree, the wig needs to go

>>10879837
she's still got nice coords, this one's just a miss

>>10880083
Eh, not the best choice of socks but otherwise I don't really see anything wrong.

>>10880108
and the armpit pudge spilling over the side. get a blouse

>>10880083
>>10880108
>>10880110
Blouseless JSKs are really hard to pull off. You have to be really thin and even then it'll more often than not look bad regardless.

>>10880119
Nayrt, and imo it depends on the style of the jsk if it can be worn blouseless or not.
The scallop hem jsk just doesn't work blouseless imo unless there's a bolero or cutsew. I think the 3 tier karami jsk works as a blouseless jsk if it's super warm outside. I'm guessing this might have something to do with the straps and the tiers.

>>10876485
I've got you covered, anon

>>10880120
Not the thread, but which JSKs do you think can go blouseless? I'm honestly too scared to go without blouse even though I've seen JSKs that have that "summer" dress itas try to go for.

>>10880332
Btssb used to say which of their jsks could be worn blouseless (early 2000s) and I agree with them.
Example; https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-karami-jsk

>>10880332
I think halter necklines and cold shoulders can look good without a blouse. They'd have to be either Summer designs or Ero/JeJ-type JSKs worn with long gloves (good quality ones), maybe sheer/lace ones if the point is to stay cool.

But if that's the case, I think your best bet is to wear a 100% cotton blouse, a skirt, ideally a hoop skirt with a light petticoat on top, short or lace/net socks, an updo and no wig.

>>10879478
what's the brand?

>>10875739

>>10876527
i actually love this..

>>10880770
promptly kill yourself