/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I'm fairly medium, as far as black skintones go, but, no, I never let my complexion dictate who I do and do not cosplay. I'll tweak colours so it's more flattering to my tone, but, other than that, there's not really much I can do.
I don't really care if something comes off as whitewashing, or even blackface; it's just a costume, and when you're in costume, you're not really "you." That is, how you may look is not who you really are. Personally, I don't use cosmetics to change my colour, but I'm not going to get onto someone who does.
I learned a long time ago to disregard what others think about my cosplaying certain characters- unless I do some major surgery, I'm going to look like this forever, so I might as well start embracing it.

I really don't give a damn what skin color someone I cosplay as, except I want to cosplay Kaworu and he's like negative white. Any other time I opt for masked cosplays or cosplays using body paint.
I use skin bleaching cream to even out the acne scars on my face as far as makeup.

i'm sorry but she is not white

>>6554794
God damn that chocolate mama got some fine ass legs.

>how much does your complexion influence your costume choices?

It doesn't

>Do any of you use cosmetics to come closer to a light-skinned character's appearance or do you feel it would be unnecessary, or even think of it as 'whitewashing'?

I just think it probably wouldn't look as good as just trying to make your skin look better on camera.

>mrw at NYCC 2012 I went as a Spy from TF2
>everyone was telling me I should have gone as a Demoman
>there were no Demomen at NYCC but a shitload of other TF2 cosplays
>this year I am going as a Demoman because we're all doing a TF2 cosplay group again

I was going to go as a version of Finn before but I guess Demoman could work....for now....

>>6554794
>how much does your complexion influence your costume choices?

Unless I'm doing it to be funny, completely. If my skin doesn't match what I'm trying to dress as, I might as well wear a poorly put together / constructed outfit. If you're not going to care how you look, then why bother? Unless for the sake of irony, then where's the fun if it's inaccurate?

Not black, but I do have a natural medium-tan.

Unfortunately, I am a little hesitant when it comes to cosplaying lighter-skinned characters. For the most part, it doesn't stop me from cosplaying who I want to cosplay, but I do feel a little self-conscious when I do.

I do wear make up one or two shades lighter than my my skin tone; it doesn't make much of a difference but it makes me feel a little better.

>>6554834

How does a poorly constructed outfit = the color of your skin at all? Those things are complacently different situations.

>>6554834
If your costume is well done, what does it matter what your skin color is? It's not something you can change on a whim like wearing contacts or putting on a wig.

>>6554855
A cosplay is more than just the clothes you wear, it's a representation of a specific character. How you look as a human being, including skin color and features, plays a big part. You can't ignore this.

>>6554858
You basically just said if you're not the right color, you shouldn't cosplay.
This thread just went full white supremacy.

>>6554820
unfortunately she also has a face like a gorilla

>>6554862

>White supremacy
>Most anime characters are Asian

Black cosplay thread?
Also, black/dark anons, post your cosplays. We could use some OC.

>>6554855
Skin color is part of well representing a character. If you were cosplaying a character who had an unnatural skin tone such as blue or red and someone didn't paint themselves that color people would call them out on it. You would not be considered a good cosplayer if you were dressed as Kneesocks and didn't have red skin.

Seeing a black Sailor Moon as just as inaccurate as a pale Korra and they bother me equally.

I'm going to cosplay Dio Eraclea.
I plan to use the same kind of makeup geishas use.
I'm black.
Eat my fuck.

>>6554858
No, I'm pretty sure cosplay is the clothes you wear. You can represent Sailor Moon all you want by being a white skinned blonde haired girl but unless you're wearing the uniform, you're not cosplaying Sailor Moon.

>>6554873
>comparing an unnatural skintone to an actual skintone

>>6554873
Consider the following. Anyone can paint themselves blue/red for a costume. However if you're going to argue over natural skin colors, that would open Pandora's box.

You can't cosplay Korra because you're white. You also can't cosplay Korra if you're anything that isn't Inuit–Yupik because that's what she is. You can't cosplay all these characters because although you're pale skinned, you're not Asian.

>>6554873
Anybody can cosplay a character with an unnatural skin color because they can use body paint, but it's very hard to pull off changing your skin to a different natural color without causing controversy. It's only fair to allow more leeway when it comes to skin tone accuracy as it's not something you can change.

>>6554876
Yes I am because you are arguing skin tone is not important and doesn't effect the quality or accuracy of a cosplay. If that is what you believe it shouldn't matter what the skin tone is, thus here is a picture of two people cosplaying Kneesocks.

And by your standards they should both be equally accurate since the only major difference is skin tone. Right?

>>6554862
You can cosplay whatever you like. But to be a GOOD cosplayer you need to consider your own appearance.

>>6554875
Just as a black woman with an afro just wearing the uniform would not be Sailor Moon either. You can't exclude yourself as an element from your own cosplay.

>>6554883
This.
>postin what Dark cosplayers I have.

>>6554890
Painting yourself red is very easy, changing your skin tone from dark to light without it looking weird is kind of impossible.

>>6554890
What are you even saying? You just proved that anon's point- red is not a natural skin tone.

>>6554890
So you honestly don't see a difference between someone being innaccurate because they're a few shades darker/lighter than a character and being innacurate because they didn't paint their skin an unnatural color.

As long as it "works". If it's a competition, it's different matter since accuracy is a big part the judging process.

On another note, I await the day when I see this group done.

>>6554890
Except the one on the right was SushiMonster's WIP and just made your argument irrelevant.

>>6554895
>black woman with an afro
...are you even listening to yourself? If you've got two cosplayers side by side, both wearing identical costumes/wigs/accessories for a character, I'm saying that their skin color shouldn't make a difference in how one is more accurate than the other.

We all need to stop bringing race into anime characters. Race has nothing to do with skin color. And perceiving any racial traits in anime makes you look like an asshat. Sailor Moon is an anime girl, she's drawn white but that doesn't make her caucasian ffs, all of the characters live in Japan and they are only thought of as Japanese because they live there. None of them have an explicit race.

When people crossplay they're not even the same gender as the characters.

They are just costumes, that's where you should be looking for accuracy. Skintone or not, a good costume and wig all that matters in the end.

>>6554906
>a good costume and wig all that matters in the end.
This. As long as you put effort into your costume/wig and make yourself look good, who cares? This is a hobby, it's for fun.

>>6554906
This is the type of mentality that kills western cosplay. "It doesn't matter what I look like so long as I sew the clothes right!"

Sorry hun, but yes, how you look plays a HUGE part in cosplay. A cute white/asian girl cosplaying a pretty, fair-skinned character is a better cosplayer than a fat black woman doing the same character.

People like you dont want to admit this because you feel telling a black person they shouldnt do something is "racist". It isn't. Just like a white person shouldn't cosplay as Dee Jay from Street Fighter, we all have to cosplay to what is suitable to our appearance.

Until you realize this, you'll always be a shitty cosplayer.

>>6554907
You're just repeating the same thing over again. It DOES make a difference. If you're cosplaying a light skinned character and you're a black person you are not cosplaying accurately to the character. Cosplaying and costuming are not the same thing.

>>6554920
Consider me a very happy shitty cosplayer then. As long as you're not wearing some satin and Party City abomination, I don't care and anyone that does care should keep their racist opinions to themselves because going up to ANYONE and saying "You shouldn't cosplay thischaracter because you're thiscolor" is racist, no matter who you're saying it to.

>>6554928
I hate to jump in but you're half right. Costuming makes a cosplay.
The argument here seems to be more if a black cosplayer has a good cosplay and a white cosplayer has a bad cosplay the white cosplayer is just better cause they're white.
Which is kind of a dumb argument.

>>6554928
>cosplay
>costuming
>cosplay means costume play

>>6554915
So long as you believe in this "It doesnt matter what you do its just for fun" mantra you will always be a bad cosplayer.

>>6554935
I think their mantra was more "As long as you put effort into your costume as a whole and have fun wearing it, who cares what others think?"

Last time I checked though cosplay was just for fun. Or did I miss the memo where we're suddenly getting paid/graded?

>>6554943
Using the "Im just having fun" line is a poor excuse. If fun was really your concern you'd still be putting in effort to look as good and accurate as possible since the positive attention you get from that earns you a lot more fun at cons than people who look like shit.

In other words, the excuse of "I don't care I'm having fun" can really just be shortened to "I don't care." If cosplay is really your hobby, then maybe you should start caring.

>>6554935

I think the point is, it doesn't matter if you're a bad cosplayer if you're having fun.

What the hell is the point in being a good cosplayer if you don't have fun? Take your elitist bullshit elsewhere.

Considering I'm not very dark, caramel color at most, I don't really have a problem. I do like to do characters that look more like me and that I like but that's because I like to actually be pretty accurate to the character.

Otherwise I use my skin tone for makeup, I'm seriously not dark at all. I guess this is for darker dark dark people. I look like a well tanned white girl. Sans lips I am pretty close in color and body type to Michiko, she also happens to be my next cosplay!

>>6554862

>this thread
I'm trying cosplay again, full time lolita, and got everything ready but since I have a great adulation for my character my skin tone makes me cringe inside, I'll try theatrical makeup just to feel a little better but I already expect the worst

>>6554959
If getting attention at cons is the only thing that makes them fun for you, I'm glad some people don't acre.

>>6554959
>getting attention is the only reason to cosplay!

>>6554967
Good cosplayers are the ones that have the most fun. Getting pictures taken of you all the time, endless amounts of positive attention, getting featured on the internet and in publications, people in love with your cosplay and want to be your friend, etc.

If fun is your ambition, GOOD cosplay is what gets you it. Shitty cosplay just gets you laughed at. So don't use that as an excuse.

>>6554920
>hun
Argument invalid, thank you for trying.

>>6554988
That Applejack is so fucking cute!

>>6554990
Uh... fun is subjective. I have fun cosplaying when people recognize the character and we chat about the series it's from. I cosplay to meet other fans and hang out with my friends. I think a lot of cosplayers are like that, who cares about five minutes of online fame?

When effort has been put in to a cosplay, it doesn't matter what the wearer's skin tone is. Wigs and make-up should be flattering but in the end a visually pleasing cosplay is a visually pleasing cosplay. If skin tone bothers you than that is your personal issue.

>>6554987
Don't even bother with that rhetoric. Cosplay is very much a hobby about getting attention. The whole POINT is to dress up and have other people notice you. So yes, that's where the fun comes from. You're attending a convention to have people look at you and take photos. Unless you're also participating in some sort of LARP I dont know about, getting attention is the whole point of cosplay.

>>6554897
Kawaii as FUCK

>>6555007
>It doesn't matter what you look like, so long as you put in the effort!

Typical American cosplayer

>>6555008
>getting attention is the whole point of cosplay
For some people, yeah. That's usually the sign of a bad cosplayer though. The type that fandom hop just to continue to stay relevant and make costumes solely to get the most attention they can rather than general like of the series/character.

>>6555013
Thank you for completely ignoring the second part of my post.

>>6555001
I can guarantee that the cosplayer who is prettier than you doing the same costume is getting recognized more, having more people chat with her, seeing more fans, and making more friends than you.

>>6555015
You just described all cosplayers.

>>6555013
Putting words in their mouth.

>it doesn't matter what skin color you are as long as you put effort into the costume to make it look good

If your cosplay looks good, it doesn't matter if your skin tone is lighter/darker than the character.

>>6555023
If you're black and you're cosplaying a light skinned character, your cosplay doesn't look good.

>>6555020
I dunno about the prettier cosplayer but I usually already have friends I'm meeting at the convention and if people want to make friends because I'm pretty/in a good costume then they either want sex, hope I'll make them a costume, or will cosplay with them to make them look good.

>>6555030
Maybe to someone that has an issue with skin color. If someone thinks I look bad solely because of my skin color then that person is clearly a racist and their opinion doesn't bother me.

>>6555030

Not necessarily true... Sometimes a Negroid can look very attractive in a cosplay meant for an Aryan, but not always.

>>6555031
lol what planet do you live on? Girls who are pretty don't just get more sex, they get more attention in general. They're liked more, have more friends, and have more opportunities in life. Nobody cares about an ugly girl.

Also, you don't need to cosplay to meet up with friends you already know. So you might as well not cosplay at all.

>>6555030
For comparison, how do you feel about height in cosplay i.e. a 6-foot Chii?

>>6555040
That would have to be one hell of a nubian princess.

But let's be honest: most people don't consider black women to be hot. There are some exceptions, but not many. Even other black people prefer lighter-skinned blacks.

>>6555045
That would definitely look odd and not be as good as a little moe girl.

If you're a woman and you're 6 feet tall you should probably be choosing larger female characters. Like Milly from Trigun or the female barbarian from Diablo 3. Play to your strengths, not your weaknesses.

>>6555052
A black woman can be hot...

if she looks like a very dark skinned white woman.


There are ape like features that most black women have (broad flat nose, huge lips, protruding jaw) which make them less appealing regardless of their skin tone.

It's not the skin tone that makes a woman attractive, it's their bone structure and facial/physical proportions.

>ITT: trolls and racists

...Every fucking thread.
Picture anon out.

>>6554866
Why do I feel racist every time I don't think a black chick is hot?

>>6555071
It's not racist. It's like 6555056 said, there are real reasons that black women are usually less attractive than white women.

White women have delicate features and black women have gorilla features.

>>6555085
Are you fucking kidding me?

>>6555089

What is with you people today? It's like you've never seen a black woman before.

First look at
>>6554866

Then look at
>>6555056

Can you not see the difference?

>>6554794
here's an example from a tv show called "Black.White"

with makeup, hair and costumes appearances can change significantly. It's very easy to downplay certain facial feautes with contouring but it varies when your features are very prominent. I don't think it's possible to make very large lips appear very thin without it looking odd, for example.

>>6555085
Oh yes because horse teeth, Leno chin and Roman noses are sooooo delicate.

Seriously though, every ethnicity and race can have features that are 'attractive' and 'unattractive'. It depends on what you like. Stop trying to think that your preferences are the only ones that matter.

>>6555104
I can, the second one is shooped to the motherfuck and back.

LET'S JUST ALL AGREE THAT THE MORE YOU LOOK LIKE A CHARACTER THE BETTER YOUR COSPLAY WILL BE.

/THREAD

>>6555104
Oooooh, two sample of who knows how many million.
OP is cuter, other girl is hotter.
Sage for replying to this nonsense.

>This whole thread.

>>6555085

I think your racist views are overshadowing your judgement, anon. The majority of "Black" women (in the US at least) don't have very full lips or very wide nostrils/faces. I'm talking about extremes here, not your average wide nose which doesn't look like a gorilla's at all. Those who have European ancestry (and quite a few do) will have more Caucasoid features.

>>6555108
>every ethnicity and race can have features that are 'attractive' and 'unattractive'

Well actually, it's been proven by social scientists that there are certain features that are seen as universally attractive. Even in places like the amazon rain forest, where the natives have not been exposed to western media if you show them a picture of Brad Pitt and one of say, Rowan Atkinson (Mr.Bean) they'll immediately chose Pitt as the "attractive" one. There was an article on this somewhere, but i don't remember.

>>6555107
that woman in the pink looks like wanda sykes

>>6555108
>>6555085


ITT blatant racism.

>>6555139
>Brad Pitt
>attractive
That's bullshit, though. I don't know why everyone says he's attractive but he isn't

I can't believe how racist some of you guys are.

This isn't /b/.

>>6554897
i love thiss

>>6555139

Same thing even with babies who aren't even capable of thinking in the way we do about looks and beauty. Show them pictures of attractive white people's faces that are considered attractive and they become pleased, show them pictures of black people who look like typical blacks (large lips, flat nose, sloping face with protruding jaw) and they become displeased.

It's natural. White features are beautiful, negroid features aren't.

>>6555156

>>6555156
You're right. Just look how beautiful and delicate this one is. Just an angel.

>>6555156

No one cares.

>>6555156
> Show them pictures of attractive white people's faces that are considered attractive and they become pleased, show them pictures of black people who look like typical blacks
You're saying that showing people pictures of attractive people will yield different results from showing them pictures of average/typical people?
Holy shit are you Einstein's reincarnation

>>6555056
dat shoop

>>6555156
I know this is a retarded troll but of course if you show a baby an attractive picture of one and an unattractive picture of the other they'll choose attractive. If you want a real comparison pick pictures where both are beautiful.

That's been bothering me throughout this whole troll thread "Show white beautiful picture person likes. Show ugly black picture no one likes" I don't think you know how to compare things

>>6555169

In other words attractive features aren't something that's learned, it's something that's primal.

>>6555167
pure aryan goddess

>>6555174
No, that's not what that means at all. You literally admit that you would only show pictures of white people who are ATTRACTIVE, rather than >>6555167.
9/10, I'm sort of convinced you're a legit retard.

>>6555171
>has the typical protruding negroid/orangutan jaw.

>>6555178
Upset white landwhale detected

>>6555177
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6355-babies-prefer-to-gaze-upon-beautiful-faces.html

>>6555181
I don't think you understand yourself.

>>6555145
But he is, let me outline it for why.

>wide jaw and prominent brow ridge
are indicators of high levels testosterone, and " For both sexes, faces that typify higher levels of sex-typical hormones are considered to be attractive."

>>6555156
provide proof of this claim. If you can't, then stop trying to push your racist views on us. You don't find certain types of people attractive so guess what? None cares.

I've come across a lot of babies at work and they are the definition of temperamental. Some will stare at me, some will look away other will makes faces or cry. You can't use the length of time babies stare at you as a definitive way to measure attractiveness.

>pic related, average African American woman's face.

>>6554895
>Just as a black woman with an afro just wearing the uniform would not be Sailor Moon either.

What is this crap?

A Soul Sista' Sailor Moon cosplay would be awsome and make my day if I encountered one at a con.

Seiously, I'd love to see that happen.

>>6555190
You are a moron.

>>6555187

The average face proves the point. She is beautiful, now we can stop posting pictures of black women with abnormally wide lips and noses.

You people are like children. little, racist, stupid-ass children.

>>6555178
Protip: some Asians have it too. and it's just another kind of profile.

>>6555195

And you ssem to be mad.

Back to /pol/ with you.

>>6555199

It's kinda odd that it's written in asian characters. i agree with what it's saying, but wouldn't this really offend people in Japan?

>>6555204
only the ugly ones

>>6555204
More than likely they're trying to shame Japanese art directors.

>>6555209

Not really. Even beautiful Japanese people don't really look like anime characters.

>>6555044
Yea calling bullshit on this. I'm ugly as fuck and yet have tons of friends because I'm a decent human being and they like being around me.

Do I have guys following me all the time? No. But it's a give and take.

Sage for no off topic

>>6555214
The problem is, neither do white people.
They're showing it from a profile; when an anime character faces forward their face is usually pretty round and there's not much of a definite nose bridge. They look more Asian from the front. There's also little details like thinner eyebrows.

>>6555204
It was made by a Japanese person on 2chan

>>6555226

I'd love to see a translation of that thread, god damn. That would be some interesting reading.

This thread should turn into black cosplay thread.

Everyone should cosplay what makes them happy. Don't be fat, make an awesome costume and the compliments will come and you will feel awesome.

If you want to be 100% accurate though, cosplay a black character. Cosplaying a white character while being black doesn't make you cosplay terrible, just inaccurate.

Nobody likes niggers in cosplay.

>>6555255

>>6555017
>>6555255

>>6555214
>>6555226
>>6555224
What's ironic about that pic is how on average, East Asian (i.e. Japanese) faces are far more neotenous (which means they are likelier to have large eyes and wide faces) then Caucasian faces. So in essence, Japanese faces typify anime faces more than Caucasians do.

The stereotype that Asians have small eyes isn't as true as we've thought.

I myself don't think Nordid-Alpine types (what that girl probably is, basically) can look as anime-like as East Asians can because if you look closely, you'll notice anime faces are modeled after Japanese faces.

Here's some neat examples of European facial features.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/forum/157174/

>pic related

>>6555271
>not knowing what eyelid surgery is
>not knowing what photoshop is

>>6555288
how do you know she has had eyelid surgery? She might have smoothed her skin but that's still nowhere near a Kotex-level shoop.

Here's a better example then.

>>6555271
So I see Proud Asian has been taking English classes...

...Anyone else read this thread and feel glad that they are white?

Yeah. I mean, not that there's something inherently wrong with being black, or any other race. Just that I don't have to put up with this BS because I'm white. All I have to do is not cosplay dark skinned characters (which is easy), and I'll never have to worry about anything except the quality of my cosplay itself.

Fuck I'm glad I ended up white like my dad.

(Even though my mom is much prettier with dark hair/dark eyes/tan skin)

>>6555296
You sound insecure. I'm 100% born and bred European, anon.

bum with pretty black girl then.

>>6555295
she still has circle lenses and false eyelashes/makeup to make her eyes appear bigger.

>>6555299
I agree with you but not only because being white as its advantages but because I've always been white and perhaps because I'm so used it it, I've come to think of myself as good looking enough. I can appreciate people of other ethnicities' beauty but if I could choose to look like someone else it's usually someone of my own racial background that comes to mind with maybe Asian cheekbones thrown in because they seem to have really nice defined ones. I think it has something to do with adaptiveness because most people are like this too.

>>6555300
Your posts seem like a more intelligent, better-articulated version of a troll calling itself Proud Asian that used to come on here. It was a joke.

Personally, I think "anime" features are not mutually exclusive to one race. Maybe some traits are more common in certain groups, but I haven't really given it much thought before when it comes to cosplay. As long as you look good in some way or another and play to your strengths, it's fine.

>>6555295
here she is without makeup

>>6555329
But if anime girls are supposed to be based off beautiful Japanese girls, do you think they're going to base them off Japanese girls when they don't have makeup on?

>>6555329
>trying to use a picture of her when she was about 14 to compare

>>6555346
Of course not. They're going to base them off Japanese girls who wear makeup to make themselves look more white.

>>6555344
>thinking her eyes will look different nowadays without makeup regardless unless she's had surgery or uses makeup and circle lenses

>>6555346
Everyone looks human, more or less.

>>6555351
If you think >>6555295 looks like a white girl, you're a fucking idiot.

>>6555295
Are you new here? You can't be a seagull without knowing what circle lenses and fake eyelashes are, nor how to make you eyes look bigger.

>>6555324
That's Usagi, right?

>not mutually exclusive to one race.

Neither are blue eyes and blond hair. Not at this day and age where you can dye your hair whichever color you choose. not to sound like a pedant but I believe "race" is politically incorrect. You're better off using ethnicity.

Also, I was just noting how similar anime faces are to Japanese faces is all. Considering how anime faces are an exaggeration of real faces you can interpret them in different ways.

>>6555367
seeing as the lens are about the same size as her irises and the makeup is minimal, I don't see how it makes a difference.

>>6555373
you can't be serious. just look up some before and after circle lenses pictures.

>>6555369
>how similar anime faces are to Japanese faces is all.
nope

somebody post the picture comparing a caucasian and monogloid face to an anime face

>>6555384
Someone posted it already. But then it was brought up how to the front an anime face looks more like a Japanese face, because you can't see a bridge of their nose and their faces are rounder.

>>6555384
lel nevermind, i see that it's already been posted

>>6555384

Those type of comparison pictures are unfair. The one already posted in this thread have an attractive white girl's profile vs an unattractive protruding Asian profile.

brb making one myself

>>6554897
Moar of this please.

What. Really.
I'm Asian, but even though most anime characters are Japanese, I usually try to only cosplay ones that look more "Asian" or whatever. So if the girl has pink hair, big tits, and blue eyes, I won't attempt her, even if she has a Japanese name and background and I like her character.
There will always be at least one girl in a group with brown eyes and dark hair, and chances are I like that character just as much, and can pull her off better.
But then again, there usually isn't "that one black girl" in a group of school girls, so I can see why a lot of people just ditch that mentality. But still... Sailor Venus is just not a good character for a relatively dark black person, probably.
For this Asian vs. Caucasian vs. Black crap, it really depends on the individual. Most Asians I know don't look anything like either the bad or good example pictures.

seems post didn't go through so
he're the comparison chart I made, not sure ifi t'll serve much of a purpose but whatever.

>>6555503
why isn't the image getting through? :|

>>6555065
Honestly, now a days I've written off every one of these threads as a troll thread from the start. Which is funny considering /cgl/ has gotten better in all points EXCEPT for these threads. While up til like a year ago it was the other way around (black cosplay threads were one of the few non shit, on topic, light in trolling threads).

>>6555506
It's mostly Japanese people who have those eyes. Chinese have smaller, rounder eyes. Koreans have Mongolian eyes.

>>6554996
You mean fucking toned.

asking about whether/how black people should cosplay non black characters nearly always turns into a troll thread borderline stormfront thread...

do not ask
just do

>>6555600
You mean that people point out the fact that black people look stupid cosplaying white/asian characters and the only defense is to call people "troll" and "racist" because you have nothing else to say.

>>6555616
people should be able to cosplay whoever they damn well please
and if it is well constructed well thought out well executed cosplay it shouldn't matter what color the person is under the clothes

judge me not by the color of my skin but by the content of my cosplay

>>6555299
Yeeaaah it's called white privilege.

>in b4 gb2tumblr

>>6555628
Of course you can cosplay whatever you please. But just because you CAN do something doesn't mean it's a good idea.

>judge me not by the color of my skin but by the content of my cosplay
Cosplay is more than just the clothes you wear. YOU and how you look are a big part of your cosplay. Good cosplayers realize this.

Anyone have any good Hibari Ginza cosplay?

>>6555628
>judge me not by the color of my skin but by the content of my cosplay

See, I can easily twist that into;
>judge me not by the size of my waist, but by the content of my cosplay
And I think we can all agree that fatties should choose their cosplays around their fatness. Fat yokos make as much sense as black yokos, which is none.

>>6555633
that's too big a limitation to put on people who enjoy this hobby (because we know the list of what you would then call 'appropriate' cosplays would be too small)

too big of a sacrifice for 100% accuracy. If the playing field were even in terms of character choices i might be more inclined to agree. But it'll never be even. That's not fair.

>>6555636
I'm Japanese, and I don't deal with that shit either. Things aren't always black and white, tumblr-chan.

>>6555645
Pretty sure people would rather look at a black yoko than a fat yoko.


Unless you're me.

>>6555645
>comparing skin color to weight

>>6555653
But they'd probably prefer a white Yoko to both, and a fat black Yoko is bottom tier. And black chicks tend to be more comfortable with fatness.

>>6555648
Rather than seeing it as a limitation you should see it as an opportunity. There's lots of black anime and video game characters that whites/asians can't pull off. Choose one of them and do a good job and you could be epic. Instead, you choose to get envious and insist on doing characters that don't suit you.

You are free to cosplay whatever you like, but it's not going to be a good cosplay until you grow up and stop playing the racism card and learn to work with what you have, not what you don't.

>>6555653
I'd rather not look at either.

>>6555649
What? Anon commented that they're lucky that they're born white to not have to deal with the stigma of being born dark-skinned. I just pointed out there's a name for it.

>>6555636
> inafter gb2tumblr
Go back to tumblr

I've got a laundry list of problems that I have to deal with even though I am white. My skin color while cosplaying just happens to not be one of them.

I'm mixed, and to some extent, lucky that I ended up looking more white like my white father, but being mixed comes with its own problems.

>>6555672
>trying too hard to convince people you're white

Nigger detected.

gtfo.

>>6555659
Not to mention, they don't have to cosplay black characters. There's a plethora of characters of unnatural skin color, just look at homestuck. Or all the masked characters that would be easy. Ironman is popular right now.

People are acting like every white person can choose any white character, but we can't. We all have certain aspects of us that look odd in certain costumes. I have big boobs, so all the cute loli characters look stupid on me. An older woman might need to choose more mature characters. A woman with stretch marks wouldn't choose a midriff. It's all part of making a good costume. No one can cosplay everything, so just do what you want and don't complain when people think you look bad because you felt like being stubborn.

>>6555659
that's all well and good, i'm not throwing away toys i have in favor of toys i want. i'm saying we should share the toys. all of the toys.
because then it gets to the point, if we play by your 'rules' (and i know you're not calling them rules or think they should be 'the rules), that upper tier cosplay becomes a sort of class warfare with the haves and the have nots.
the lighter skinned people have such a 'wealth' of options that darker people do not.
that is not kawaii
cosplay above all else is supposed to be kawaii

I never played the racism card the martin luther king bastardization was more histrionic/meant to be funny than anything else.

>learn to grow up
i'm not really crying per se, i just think its not fair to have good cosplay thrown out or downgraded because skin color

>>6555666
The term "White privilege" isn't it if I, an Asian, also experience it.

>>6555679

You sound fat and entitled.

The only thing I care about is if the person is darker is that if they're doing a blonde character, at least adjust the tone of blonde. It'll look better than slapping on a golden blonde wig.
Blonde in general is a difficult thing to pull off if you don't know how to adjust it for your skin tone, even more so the darker you get it seems unless you're going for a blonde that would "appear brown"

>>6555693
this 100% actually. I love OP's venus to bits
DEM GAMS
but wish she'd done something with the color of the wig

>>6554906
>Skintone or not, a good costume and wig all that matters in the end.
Really? Because my Chii cosplay was 99% accurate but when I posted in /cgl/ the comments I got were
>it looks great, but you don't fit the "character" so i wouldn't say it's doable
>well constructed, but you don't have the same attitude
How you carry yourself and how you look is part of the cosplay, you know.

People of different races can cosplay many things successfully, for example - look at that asian girl's Jessica Rabbit. I think she carried it off decent in most cases. Anyway, I think black girls can definitely carry off that sort of thing.

But cosplaying someone like Sailor Venus when you've got dark skin doesn't make any sense. Not only does the outfit clash but Venus's personality is this ~cute and bubbly and natural~ blonde...

>>6555690
Oooh! Did I hurt tumblr-chan's feelings?

>>6555675
> Implying

GET OUT

>>6554988
This one is also well done and ~fits~. The white fluttershy doesn't however.

It's not ~racist~. It's just cosplaying what you'd look GOOD as and I'm sorry but a fat black woman with ~attitude~ wouldn't look good as some shy, socially anxious character.

>>6554993

dat babby face

>>6554988
Heh, I sorta think the Applejack is the best one there, shes a cutie.

If a certain race wants too and can pull it off, sure, why not?

>>6555697
Yeah, I hate when black girls do this colour. It looks ghetto and just does not look good

I want to cosplay things accurately, and yet I want to cosplay something I like.

there's not a lot of tanned skin characters from series I like.
but there are always characters that require skinpaint to cosplay, so it doesn't matter what color you are if you are just going to paint yourself pink or whatever

>>6554988

Applejack would never be caught dead wearing that kind outfit. SHE'S A FARM GIRL. SHE WANTED HER FUCKING GALA DRESS TO INCLUDE WORK BOOTS.

>>6555844
Applejack is a fucking horse. She doesn't wear anything. Calm down.

>>6555844
Are you trying to tell me that "farm girl" isn't the same as "Daisy Duke rip-off"?

>>6555867
>implying she doesn't wear a hat
>Implying she doesn't wear horse shoes

>>6555867
>She doesn't wear anything

Getting in my time machine and going back to 1998 when I started cosplaying so I can relive the days before cosplay became this serious.


what the everloving fuck is wrong with you guys?

>how much does your complexion influence your costume choices?

None, I've cosplayed white anime characters before and people still recognized my costumes.

>Do any of you use cosmetics to come closer to a light-skinned character's appearance or do you feel it would be unnecessary, or even think of it as 'whitewashing'?

Cosmetics? No.

>>6554802

>>6554926
Noice

>>6555703
>Japanese girl
>natural blonde
lol

It doesn't and I do not.

>>6555156
this is actually because of societal views that its better to be white.

give children 2 dolls , white and black

99% the time will say white one is the "good" one black one is the "evil" one

>>6557114
Actually, many scientific tests have determined that it isn't societal. They've done a color test on children from a ton of cultural backgrounds and nationalities. They see colors a certain way, lighter colors make them happier, and darker colors make them feel sad or angry. White people are a light brown, which has a happier effect on children. It's not cultural, it's just one of those ways that science is "racist".

>>6555271
The girl in your picture wears makeup and circle lenses.
Yes NOW her eyes are big.

Stop rehashing this shit. At least get some new evidence, your misinterpretations of data older than you are is just pathetic.

>>6555107
That still looks like obvious blackface and whiteface to me--and that's with professional makeup artists.

No, fuck the haters, wear whatever costume you want regardless of your skintone.

>>6555123
I disagree, I think the best cosplays take into account RL details. For example, subtle patterns for a cosplay of a character that wears a solid color can look pretty fantastic.

Skintone doesn't really matter all that much. What matters is someone choosing a costume that looks good on them (perhaps slightly adjusting the colors of the outfit to make sure that it does) and putting in effort to construct the costume well and style the wig right. That's all that really matters in the end.

>>6557159
What...? Choosing different patterns isn't going to change what the character originally looks like, and choosing flattering colors for yourself isn't going to make you look more like a character if that's not the colors the wear.

>>6557179
But it'll make you look better in the costume, and that's what really matters. Most people aren't going to be wandering around convention halls with art books and holding it up to your costume to make sure you've got the exact shade of gold. (Plus, official art can vary wildly in color a lot of the time, anyway.) Good presentation is what REALLY matters in cosplay.

People care WAY too much about this bullshit.

>>6557159
The "best cosplayers" realize that a cosplay is more than the clothes you wear. You, and how you look, are the biggest factor of a cosplay. People who fixate solely on how they sew a garment and ignore everything else are the WORST cosplayers, not the best.

>>6557159
If you saw two cosplayers wearing the exact same EXTREMELY detailed costume with eerily similar body types and everything, but one was black and the other was white, who would you say did the costume better?

>>6557186
There are MANY things that matter in cosplay, not just one thing. Being an ethnicity that looks appropriate to the character is one thing that matters heavily. A black woman cosplaying a white woman looks very odd and out of place.

>>6557204
Actually, I shouldn't say did the costume better since they're the same costume, I should just say "who would you say looks better in it".

>>6557204
I would say that the black one is better because people on the internet would call me a racist if I didn't.

....whO THE FUCK CARES HOLY SHIT

I'm a black cosplayer, I've been cosplaying for a while now, and I have black friends who cosplay just as hard as I do. I cosplayed as Rei Ayanami at Mechacon last year, with a septum ring in, and I got multiple photoshoots, people recognized my character, and other Evangelion cosplayers chased me down to take pictures. And it wasn't even my best cosplay, I borrowed it from my friend, who is a black guy. And he got even more praise than I did. Sure, get a pale white girl in the same outfit, people may like her version more, but I personally could care the fuck less. I was so happy at that con, and that was all that matters.

Elitist fucks always have to ruin fun things. If you have a problem with darker people cosplaying as lighter characters, so fucking be it, but what good is drilling "YOU'RE A BAD COSPLAYER BECAUSE YOU'RE AFRICAN COSPLAYING AS A PUREBRED EUROPEAN" into people's heads? Of course if you match the character better, the cosplay would go more your way. But if I want to cosplay Rei, or a white girl wants to cosplay Michiko, we "shouldn't", or "it's not the best idea", because of some factor that we can't control? Sounds like a load of horse shit to me.

At the end of the day, whether you're fat, skinny, short, tall, black, white, boy, girl, if you represent a character in a good way and youre happy with the outcome, none of the afforementioned should matter. Even if the cosplay itself isn't pleasing to the eye, if the person wearing it is happy, why should it matter?

We're quick to say that people who see cosplaying as "weird" or "crazy" are judgemental assholes, but we do even more judging in our own community.

Fucking idiots everywhere, I swear.

I thought this whole debate was settled ages ago.

Cosplay whatever you want, but if you're a black person cosplaying a white character you're not doing a good job of it.


Also it is true that black people have racial features that are less attractive than traditional white features.

picture related, it's an attractive white person with attractive white features.

>>6555085
sure...

>>6557343
Subtle, but still a fail

>>6557355
>Person brings up elements of truth, however unflattering
>Can't be refuted
>"ZERO OUT OF TEN FAIL TRY AGAIN GTFO RACIST SCUM."

>>6557343
lol

So, what happens if I, a black girl, cosplay as a "browned", slightly recolored version of a light-skinned character? Am I still "doing it wrong" and cosplaying badly, or...? I want to hear opinions on this.

>>6557343
she is fake

>>6557373
You're still doing it wrong because you're obviously just using the "recolor" thing as an excuse to cosplay white people. Also, there is more of a difference than just your skin color, you also have negro features. It's more than just the wrong color, it's the wrong ethnicity.

>>6557343

0/10

Until they make more dark skinned characters for us to cosplay, we're going to keep cosplaying what the fuck ever we want. Deal with it, or complain about it. It doesn't matter, it's not going to stop us. Negative fucks given.

And OP is one of my favorite black cosplayers.

>>6557343
fake
picture related

>>6557373
You're just cosplaying fanart/fan edits and no one well assume that.

>>6557387
>>6557383
>>6557379
>>6557355

*WOOOOOOOOSH*

>>6557384
Go ahead. You'll be laughed at and called names and will spend all your time on boards like this trying to defend yourself because of how stupid you look.

Cosplay is not a civil rights movement. If you just want to do whatever you want then fine, but don't expect anyone to like it.

What if a white person cosplayed a black character?

>>6557399
Caucasians and asians can do anything they want. Darkies are the only ones who have limitations.

>>6557399
Then you're yelled at for 'whitewashing'.

>>6557399

So you mean like they used prosthetics to simulate the giant lips and protruding negro jaw?

That's fine.

>>6557404
What if you're cosplaying from Tropic Thunder

>>6557425
fuck, i lol'd.

>>6557387
Oh come on, everyone already knows that's a fake picture. There are plenty of videos and photos of koti by now that show without a doubt that she's as perfect as she seems.

Here's another perfect Aryan goddess

>>6557394
>don't expect anyone to like it.

Who do you think she is trying to impress and make it like it? And why can't she just do things for her own because it makes her happy no matter what people like you think about it. If you don't like it just look the other way, I'm a Ubermensch myself but I really couldn't give a fuck about that shit.

>>6557432
>thinks women don't cosplay exclusively in the hopes of more male attention

>>6557430
>white woman
>cosplaying asian character
>"I'll change the color palette to be WHITE so it's acceptable for me!"

gtfo vanilla face. You'll never be accepted in cosplay culture.

>>6557399
Then this board will tell you to cosplay whatever you want.

>>6557442
Since when is Morrigan asian?

>>6557442
Since she was created by Japan.

>>6557456

These arguments are so annoying. So no American cartoon has ever had an asian or black character this them, no white-written novel either.

>>6557456
So Guile is asian under that logic?

>>6557459
I would be happy to form a rebuttal but your typos make your statement incomprehensible.

>>6557463
Yep.

>>6557434
What if it was a man.

>>6557463
No, Guile is a cyborg nazi.

>>6557467
>What if it was a man.

then he'd be gay

>>6557384
Who's "they"? Why don't you create the content? Hussie's an amateur, but he gave black folks plenty of options. You can't complain about "them" not making enough characters like you if you refuse to help that cause.

And to all the people ITT complaining about "I can do what I want, fuck you!" No one's saying you can't do anything. We're saying you will look silly. I'm a skinny white girl, if I chose to cosplay Zangief or Lee Everett or even someone similar to my bodytype like Yoruichi, I would look silly with my pasty white skin. Tumblr would probably say I "whitewashed" the character. Black people can get away with more, but you still look silly. Everyone looks silly in certain outfits, even people with "white privilege". Don't take it personally, it's just a thing people deal with. Do what you want, but don't act like it's outrageous to prefer accuracy.

>>6557521
You look silly going to a convention dressed as a cartoon character when you're a grown ass man/woman.

>>6555271
You've never been to a East Asian country have you? I can tell you those ching and chong always have their eyes closed... Except for the rare girl.

>>6555271
>Circle lenses
>false lashes
>naturally wide eyes

lol, kay.
You do realize anime was derived from American cartoons, right?

Whoever has a problem with cosplaying "white" characters because you have dark skin: You are beautiful and a well done cosplay on an attractive person will look good no matter what. I adore the cosplayer who does the amazing Pluto. Does anyone know who I mean?
Maybe I'm just more tolerant because I'm white and I grew up in an area with more black people than white for a while but at that age the only difference we really knew of was our hair and we'd do hairstyles on each other and go "Oh it looks different on your hair." That sort of thing. One of the fun times I remember is going over a friend's house and her mom spending forever braiding my waistlength straight hair. I know I'm going TMI and tl;dr but after so many years of stupid racism on 4chan I'm sick of all of it. To me if you have a beautiful personality and manners that's all I really judge you on. If you have a great body and nice facial features, of course it's better but that's the nature of life your skin color is not something that deems how attractive you are or restricts your cosplay choices.

>>6557565
You can't honestly think that looks good... The green looks awful with her skin tone! And the costume itself isn't well made. Plus, I'd take an iron to that bow if I saw her walking around with it in such a state. Hotels always have irons, that shit is unacceptable.

>>6557567

Not to even mention her protruding gorilla/negro jaw.

>>6557565
The cosplayer seems like she could be an attractive person, but that cosplay is definitely retarded. She doesn't look anything like the character. It literally looks like a joke.

>>6557565
>fat person cosplays a character they dont have the look for
>"You shouldn't do that."
>black person cosplays a character they dont have the look for
>"OMG YOU CAN TOTALLY DO ANYTHING YOU WANT HOW YOU LOOK DOESN'T MATTER ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A RACIST IM CALLING AL SHARPTON."

I really get tired of this black propaganda shit.

>>6557567
>>6557572
>>6557588
>>6557591
Samefag

>>6557567
I honestly think it is good, except for the bow. I don't think the green looks awful with her skin tone.

I think some hair colors might look better with a certain skintone (like red hair and light skin) but that doesn't make all the rest ugly.

>>6557572
Her face probably looks much better than yours.

>>6557596
Okay, how about the fact that Sailor Pluto's uniform doesn't have sleeves or a waistline like that one? The only thing that's good about that costume is her pretty face. If she were white, you would never use her as an example of good cosplay.

>>6557567
>>6557588
>>6557591
Say whatever you want. Being born black isn't a choice but being fat is, yes that's right it is. You're trolling and being dumb.

>>6557619

Being black isn't a choice. Being a stupid nigger is.

>>6557619
How about being old? How about having stretch marks? How about any number of other things that aren't choices, but effect people's costume choices? You picked one topic that you know is a hot-button and aimed it at replies that did not bring it up. And, to give you one more straw to grasp, you call them all trolls. All because you don't make a good Sailor Pluto.

>white people discussing how black people look to them
>I'm not racist but..I DONT WANT NIGGERS IN MY HOBBY CUZ SRS BSNS.
>cosplay is just a damn hobby.
>this whole thread = stupid.

>>6557666

>666

Angry satanic nigger alert!

>>6557666
See, this is why no one takes tumblr seriously. You don't give any reasons, you just say "Haha! You think how you look matters in the highly visual hooby of cosplay! Ha! Racists!"

>>6557052
Damn sup Carolina

OP hither.

I think this thread has run its due.

>>6557598
You're an idiot, because that's the Eternal version of Pluto. All of the sailors have that identical outfit in the manga.

Any race-specific thread is going to get trolled to hell and back, you guys should know this by now.

>>6557690
more like you can't think up anything to say so you just cry "troll" and "racism" over and over.

> sage for disgusting big nosed darkies shitting up our hobbie

Fuck you. You will never look good cosplaying these characters. Go and play baseketball or eat fried chicken or anything you people use to do. Just leave Cosplay alone, it is not for you guys.

>>6557675

Implying I'm from tumblr because I used a tumblr gif, that was made from a youtube video. OK! and I'll continue to still your white wimmins and rob you blind.

please continue. this thread is amusing

Bonus part, it's really easier to go from Commander Black to Lewis from Left4Dead

>>6557713
>still not giving reasons

Damn, you sure told me.

>>6557707
>being mad as fuq

inb4 tumblr

>>6557321
>Black guy cosplaying as Rei Ayanami
I want to see this now. I don't think I've ever seen a crossdressed Ayanami, let alone black.

>>6557707

>Still not as racist as actual Glorious Nipponese are

>>6557797
Do black people every have an argument besides just saying "u mad", "racism", "troll" or "deal with it"?

I know black people aren't typically very smart, but you seem to have a complete inability to form any sort of argument for yourself at all.


Do us all a favor and just stay away from cosplay, okay? Unless you're going to dress up as Kanye West or Biggie, cosplay just isn't for you.

>>6557810
I'm not even black, but nice generalization.

You just sound very upset. "Why are people liking what I like" and whatnot.

>>6557817
Another "u mad" response.

Why do you even bother posting? You have nothing to say.

>>6557456
Except that Morrigan is and always has been officially Scottish.

So she's a white girl.

>>6557836
No, I don't.

Does it matter though? You said your objective piece and I said mine.

>>6557836
I'm starting to think you're actually trying to make dissenters look bad, since you appear to be mimicking the technique of
>>6557786

>>6557838
Morrigan is a Japanese woman. Both the creators and Japanese public that the character was made for sees her as a Japanese person. Storyline doesn't matter.

>>6557845
As opposed to black cosplayers, who appear to enjoy looking bad.

>>6557865 Storyline doesn't matter.
Yeah ok.

>>6557903
>LAWL YEAH LIEK OKAY WUTEVERS

nice arguing skills.

>>6557865
Although I don't quite understand what you are saying, do you have source on that? I never found anything saying that she is suposed to be anything other than Scotish.

>>6557190
>>6557190
yeah, the white people, the ones who should have no fucking say in it

>>6558018
Why are niggers always so angry?

Go shoot some hoops and calm down.

is...is this still going on? jesus /cgl/... your autism....

>>6558132
Yes, a thread on a slow board has been in existence for one whole day. Imagine that.

>>6554920
Cartoon Outfit is Very Serious to me

Listen, I'm about to give my very serious, white opinions on the cartoon outfits. Dressing up like the children's show is very important to me, and because of this, I feel the need to express the dire thoughts which I have re: methods and aesthetics of the anime dress

>>6558137
Dumbass. They mean this argument has been going on forever.

>>6558774
Many of us cares about the quality and accuracy of our cosplays, yes. It's our hobby and we strive to be the best we can. This is a board where we discuss such a hobby and the qualities therein. If you are a bad cosplayer who doesn't give a shit about your cosplays then that's your business, but don't expect for us to accept you.

So what we learn from this thread is that no fun is allowed.

>>6558877
If you cosplay properly and do a good job you'll have more fun.

>>6558882
So in order to have fun, they have to cosplay as a character they and no one else gives a shit about since they're so minor just because their skin is also brown?

>>6558892
There are plenty of noteworty and recognizable black characters in various forms of fiction. It's not as much of a limitation as you make it out to be.

Every good cosplayer considers their appearance for their choice of what they should cosplay. Though, as you pointed out, you don't have to be good if you don't want to.

>>6558892

You can cosplay what you want, but don't cry foul when your called out on it.

>>6558934
You're so cute. And narrow minded.

>>6558934

Yeah, everyone should cosplay to their body type, but the thing is with darker skinned people is not only do you have to find a good character that is in your skin range, but then even after that you have to find one that fits your body. Not saying that white cosplayers don't need to find a suitable skin tone, since a pasty Yoko isn't good for anyone, just that the selection is fucking huge whereas ours isn't.

>>6561844

this

why does it seem like its the same racist weeb posting replies in this thread over and over again?

>>6558942
I've been doing it for years and have never been "called out on it." Not everyone is as narrow minded as you.