/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

The construction and the design is seriously terrible. Why do people buy this shit?

I will laugh long and hard the day Nintendo sues their asses. The chances of that happening are approximately 0.01% though, Nintendo has bigger copyright infringement/bootleg problems than some shitty dresses made by some random chick.

>>7080337
Omg i llove this
thanks for the heads up

>>7080376
Enjoy your overpriced, shitty quality and ugly as sin dress.

>>7080360
>Why do people buy this shit?
Because...POKEMANZ POKEMANZ POKEMANZ POKEMANZZZZ!!1!!!~11`~

Everything they make looks like somebody's 2nd or 3rd lolita sewing project. Like it's wearable and has the right shape, but it still looks really basic and handmade and not worth the price they're asking regardless of how much time and money they actually put into it.
Nerd crossovers can be done, but need more subtlety than this. Western indie brand prints usually look too crisp and CG'd which is fine for T-shirts, but doesn't work well on lolita style clothing. If you want to do indie brand prints, you need a really solid and versatile artist working with you. This print looks like it was lifted straight from a kids' notebook cover.

>>7080365
I agree with you there, but if they every caught wind they would certainly throw out a cease and desist order.

>>7080360
"This'll show everyone what a nerd~ I am, teehee!"

Seriously though. Pokémon has a deep, permanent, slightly embarrassing place in my black little heart but I would never wear this shit. It just looks cheap and terrible and clashes horribly with the lolita aesthetic.
It pains me how geeky types will pay out the ass for something ugly just because it has some kind of geeky reference on it.

>>7080376
Why? You're better off just wearing a Pokémon t-shirt with a skirt that's actually nice.

Oh cool, gonna email nintendo about this now

>>7080435
I've sent one too, CC'd in all three of the legal teams' addresses I could find. Doubt anything will come of it, though.

>>7080337
I thought the execution of their Mario JSK was really cute. I'm a bit disappointed with this Pokémon print.

>>7080769
Yeah the print on the dress is cute, but Jesus Christ it took nearly six months to get to me. The cash was taken in November, and then she just kept having shitty problems with fabric printers. Then she'd promise to post by certain dates and at the last minute go "whoops it's a public holiday, my bad! <3" come on, Australia only has 11 public holidays, you owe it to your customers to know where they are when you're already two months behind schedule.

WAMH's newest release is Doctor Who.

>>7081446
that legit looks like shit. I mean, I have always hated their prints, but this one is the crappiest one yet.

>>7081446
Bumpy bell shape, you'd think they would have at least made the bell look better for the stock photo

>>7081446
It's like they realise their original designs are mediocre, so they cash in on pop culture instead.

The JSK will cost $290.

The saddest thing about Vitae and WAMH... they are both still in business. Goes to show that marketing well, appealing to a fad subculture, and outsourcing the work, actually do keep you afloat over actual quality.

>>7081446

Good lord that looks terrible.

holy shit all of these dresses are fucking terrible. I don't know why people insist on making shit lolita for no reason. Lolita is just a label for a great style, you arent automatically cooler for ""BEING A LOLITA"""

Pokemon lolita, homestuck lolita, dr who lolita.. lolita isnt about having the title of being "a lolita" on your forehead, its about looking nice, period.

END OF RANT

I'm reporting them to Nintendo, will someone else do it as well so it gets bought to their attention sooner?

>>7081639

Done.

>>7081710
I'll let cgl know if I hear anything back from them

Speaking of terrible and ugly fad prints did anyone ever end up getting their tumblr print from that one designer who disappeared?

Just out of curiosity.

>>7080365
Honestly if enough people were angry enough to bring it to nintendo's attention they'd probably do something about it.

>>7081848
Sugar Freedom. that one.

>>7081848
I don't think so, she moved out of Adelaide and to Perth last i heard from my Adelaide friend =|

she'l be back in a few months with a new "burando" so don't worry

>>7081446
It looks like a rip-off of Haenuli's little prince, trying to make a buck of the galaxy trend

>>7081848
Doesn't she just change her name and business model every five minutes, rather than disappear?

>>7081848
I looked up her site n- last update was "I'll get tracking info within a week!" on Dec last year lol
hope those girls enjoyed donating their money lololol

>>7081871
>>7081881
I honestly have no idea, I just really wanted to know if anyone had like gotten a refund or anything.

I didn't buy it, because I have taste, but I followed the drama closely and just want to know what became of it all.

>>7081927
I highly doubt that anyone got a refund. They probably gifted the money through Paypal and have left it way too late to do a chargeback.

I have her on Facebook and honestly wonder how she had enough money to randomly pack up and go to Perth, now I know...

Wait how is this any different then people making Nintendo related products on etsy and selling them? They don't get caught. Why is Nintendo going to care here?

>>7080337
The skirt parts look like it's skimping in the fullness.

>>7081993
because people are bringing this to their attention and it's way more expensive than your usual fanart. Nintendo even shut down a fan film of Zelda -their priorities are whacked

>>7081993
Actually, Nintendo did a purge on Pokemon stuff on Etsy this summer. They were mainly going after the stores that sold a ton of stuff all the time, like PokeBox.

>>7081858
You never know till you try! *kawaii pose or some shit*

>>7082044
any proof of this?

>>7082132
It's why they moved to Store Envy, which a) doesn't care and b) is less popular than etsy, therefore nintendo/companies are less likely to look for stuff on it

>>7082147
as long as you say these are fan products I don't think they really will care

>>7082132
Yeah, let's see if 4chan won't mark it as spam.
http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/14058847.html
http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/questions/discuss/6374466/page/1

>>7081639
What the hell I'll do it too

>>7081848
Sugar Freedom = WAMH. Same person. She just slinks in and out when she owes people money/goods.

>>7082477
I kind of dislike both of them but those two aren't owned by the same person at all.

Sugar Freedom can also be attributed to Pastel Hospital, Tokyo Hardcore and Saccharine Desolation.

WAHM hasn't had any previous projects, she just really fell in with the wrong crowd.

>>7082499
Exactly, thanks for posting this. "Saccharine" who owned all those businesses and took off is a real cunt buy let's not pin stuff she didn't do on her. She's done enough on her own without getting stuff confused.
Out of her and the ODIP chick I wonder who is worse?

>>7081446
> Shitty satin bows.

>>7082515
>>7082499
Agreed, Eden is not a bag girl, I don't like her designs but she's a nice person. Saccharine is known for ripping people off, let right and center. Not just customers but stockists too when she had her store. She also claimed to have a partnership with AP when she was only buying stuff from AP's webstore and marking it up.

>>7082650
HAHAHA bag? I meant BAD, she's not a BAD girl. I don't know if she is a bag girl, who doesn't like bags though.

>>7082515
Saccharine is worse. Only just though.

>>7080337
wtf
this is so bland it hurts

>>7082655
Does ODIP scam too? My friend is still owed cash from Saccharine after Tokyo Hardcore's failing. Small amount but it's enough to piss someone off when she's not entitled to it.

>>7082670
ODIP mark shit up like they're the only one stocking it. Generally shit with shipping.

>Paid for express shipping.
> Didn't ship instock item for two weeks

>>7082670
no, ODIP does not scam. they are legit.

Honestly, this is the worst thing v-ITA-e has come up with yet. The other photos showing the bodice is just gag worthy. Just makes the two models look dumpier than Molly Weasley with a hang over. I am sick of the trend of taking pokemans, dr who and galaxy prints and flogging the shit out of it. Lolita is slowly becoming who can stick their favourite shit all over their tacky dress rather than looking good. I really don't want to be associated with these girls anymore.

>>7082670
ODIP is legit but the owner marie marks up it up by like 170 billion % I haven't had any problem with her taking time to ship but she's a mega bitch when communicating She has terrible customer service she is just so rude to anyone who has legit concerns making it like it's a personal attack

>>7080769
I've seen them worn at a lot of australian cons and they atually look really nice on.

>>7081639
I reported them yesterday evening. No news as of yet.

>>7082680
That sucks, anon. I bought from them recently, and they shipped my item the next day (or possibly the same day 'cause time zones). I was surprised they did, considering my payment hadn't even cleared.

I wonder how butthurt they'd be if someone got Oojia to replicate Vitae's designs.

>>7082684
the models look like a pair of tree trunks with minimal poof >_>
I agree that it's harder than ever to enjoy the true Lolita look. It's all about slapping as much gimicky shit on your dress and coord

Has anyone gotten their Gloomy chan whatever items yet I'm keen to hear about that one

>>7082780
OH GOD YES
Please spill!!

>>7082780
On both the lolita dress and the slinky dress

>>7082780
As sad as I am thinking someone forked over $$$$ for these things.............please spill, it would make my night <3

>>7082780
Did anyone actually buy this?

>>7080411
that's my thought on the print too. i would love a pokemon print (i didn't realize that until now), but i'd prefer the pokemon to be more stylized than just slapping basic clipart onto a skirt, especially of pokemon with radically different color schemes.

>>7081446
I wouldn't know that was Dr. Who except for this post, so at least it narrowly escapes being a tackily obvious homage? Like no obvious Tardis? But the lace and waist ribbon and bows are questionable.

>>7082870
This. brown x beige with no design apart from the bottom of the skirt....what were they thinking?

>>7082871
If the lace was burnt orange or green it might look better?
And the shiny ribbon needs to gtfo. Kudos for avoiding an obvious reference in a tardis though I suppose?

>>7082515
>>7082650
I thought Saccharine and Eden were the same person, though? Now I'm really confused.

>>7082993
Saccharine's real name is Suz. Eden is Eden.

If you look them up, they have really different faces.

>>7082780
Don't think anyone has. I follow their fb page and once again, production is moving slower than pitch. Fuck there's even girls still waiting for the last of the mario dresses. At least WAMH gets their shit out on time.

>>7082993
eden at least hasn't scammed anyone, I don't think.

>>7083496
At least it's still faster than sugar freedom

What happened to that super meat boy print they were boasting about months ago? They were so proud that they'd gotten clearance from the games studio to do it, especially about how much they got flamed for the gloomy bear design.

>>7084133
I posted this in the other thread, but I emailed the meatboy team about it back when they first announced it and they seemed to have no idea what I was talking about and said they would investigate what was going on

>>7084163
Never heard back huh? lol not surprised, it seems so dodgy. anyone have the link to their announcement? i want to ask them as well

>>7083824
Was that the fucking Tumblr vomit print? People who bought that deserve to be ripped off as punishment for bad fucking taste.

>>7084307

>>7084307
/photo.php?fbid=456518444380683&set=a.211838345515362.62558.155594914473039&type=1

>>7084318
I know but I did want to see how hideious it was IRL.....!
>>7084307
This was 2012 so maybe they gave up?

>>7084163
Bahahaha, makes sense that they would lie about that too. Girl at vitae is a twit.

>>7080337
I love Pokemon and Eeveelutious especially but this is the most boring indie print I've seen in a long time. It's so bottom heavy.

>>7084318
the one with coffee cups and sailor moon and sparkly unicorns and shit? i think they ended up not releasing it because of printing problems (though later there were pictures of the creator in a skirt of that print and the unicorns, which were supposed to have a galaxy fill, did not)

Every thing in this thread is so awful it's brilliant.

>>7085244
do you happen to have it? my ita folder begs you

>>7085805

>>7085833
Sweet baby Jesus it's actually uglier than I thought it would be

>>7085833
The green is like baby vomit ewww

>>7082691
That's not always true, for things like petticoats ODIP is fairly reasonable and for reserving items or items bought when brands have sales it isn't too bad.

>>7082691
I thoguht it was a consignment shop? Like, that was the reason the prices are marked up? Or was I told wrong?

>>7086029

Sells both consignment items and new brand and Taobao. The consignment items tend to be overpriced on account of retarded sellers.

Dear god I hope we get some good secrets this week ladies

>captcha: buttwe age

>>7082691
+1 Marie is a mega bitch. Can't believe I have to buys all the Lied stuff through THEM. T_T

>>7086180
Ugh that should be *Lief

>>7085833
oh god i forgot about the skulls.

>>7086180
So I'm getting the picture this Marie girl isn't the nicest kid. Any stories to share?

>>7086784
http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/tag/name%3A%20mariko_senpai

She just kind of kept on with her business so a lot of new girls don't know anything about the wank, but that + her awful overpricing means I'll never buy anything from ODIP. It might be different or Australian lolitas, but like >>7086180
I am super pissed that she's handling (and jacking up the prices on) Lief's international orders.

>>7086813
I remember the old drama too, and am super pissed off by her handling Lief's international orders as well. I'm in the US so between her prices being jacked up and shipping it's almost not worth it. But if Lief releases something in velvet I might not be able to resist temptation. I just wish I could order directly from Sora, it'd be cheaper and less stressful.

>>7086936
is there anyway to get a Korean SS maybe to order via the site?

>>7086936
So she jacks up by a lot? I'd be fine with up to $30 I guess as a SS fee but is it really high?

>>7086941
That's what I'm planning to do if they release something new that I want. Especially since shipping from Korea is way cheaper.

>>7086180
Me too. Having to go through Marie to get Lief is ridiculous.

>>7086813
Being an Australian lolita, I find it's too expensive for me. Having to equate in international shipping...

>>7086963
Lief's Angela Stella as an example:

Long JSK
ODIP: 300 AUD = 275 USD
Lief: 245,000 won = 225 USD

Short JSK
ODIP: 280 AUS = 257 USD
Lief: 225,000 won = 205 USD


Shipping quote to the US for Lief's Matryoska: $43 for registered air or $77 for EMS. Those are the only two choices.

It's well worth getting a Korean SS, in my opinion.

>>7086963
I just checked out the Matryoshka series to see how bad the mark up is.

OP: 205,000 won = $188 USD. ODIP has it for AUD $235 = $215 USD
Apron Skirt: 158000 won = $145 USD. ODIP has it for AUD $175 = $160 USD.
Skirt: 125000 won = $115 USD. ODIP has it for AUD $130 = $120

So the smaller the item the less it's jacked up the price is for this series. Given the inconsistency in how much the price is jacked up I'd rather find a Korean SS. Anyone know a good one?

>>7087013
>>7087015
Could the markup be because they take into account custom fees?

>>7087023
There should be no custom fees or if there are it's a minimal cost
customs.gov.au/site/page5549.asp
the markup is because Marie personally has to make money off of this. I don't think she actually has a job besides running her shop

Hi, I'm Lief's English translator (I volunteer for her). I work with Marie of ODIP and I don't know much about her business decisions, but I just came to clarify a few things.
>>7086936
>>7087013
Most of the "jacking up" is because in Australia, the GST (sales tax) has to be 10% of the final price. So a $250 JSK = $275 with GST. Unlike normal international orders, Marie has to pay full price EMS shipping for however many she orders as well, and reserve space in a physical store, so those costs are factored in too.

>Lief's Angela Stella
This markup is mainly because Angela Stella comes in 2 sizes for ODIP and ODIP had to pay for the fees in pattern drafting etc of the L size, which costs more money to make but you cannot sell the dresses by discriminating between prices. Korean release was one size only.

>Shipping quote to the US for Lief's Matryoska: $43 for registered air or $77 for EMS. Those are the only two choices.
Shipping is expensive in Australia, and normal airmail doesn't guard against paypal claims. That said, a portion of Angela Stella stock will be held in Korea to be directly shipped to USA at $35 USD flat rate EMS.

There is a GO for My Tart and Alice in Mixworks currently up on Lief website as well as on facebook, the JSKs were priced at rakuten price (23000 yen) converted to USD/AUD as applicable. If you do not for whatever reason want to buy through Marie/ODIP, you are free to do so. However, please don't make it out like Marie/ODIP is the sole factor in your inability to purchase and enjoy Lief: I know for a fact that there were only 3 international Matryoshka orders, and Sora would not have had the funds to manufacture Angela Stella at all had ODIP/Marie not pre-paid her for factory production.

Communication from ODIP is awful. And there's a huge backlog of orders if you reserve for baby

>>7087070
>>7087070
Thanks for replying, that's all good information to have. However, whether or not ODIP's costs are justified or not, they're still significantly higher than other options. So there's absolutely no incentive for me as a US buyer to order from them rather than through a SS which would save me anywhere from $30-60 and would keep me from giving Marie my business. She's shown that she can be very unprofessional and is willing to frivolously threaten legal action and drag people through the mud in public forums. I would hate to be someone she perceived as having "wronged" her/her business.

My personal opinion is that it was a mistake for Lief to pick ODIP to work with as doing so 1) comes with a higher overhead + expensive shipping which will drive up costs and discourage customers, and 2) Marie has a not-so-great reputation in many parts of the online community. For those reasons, I wish they were working with someone else for international orders. Shipping direct out of Korea is around half the price of shipping from Australia.

I much prefer the group order format and hope it will continue to be available for future releases - however as far as I know it was not an option for Angela Stella or Matryoshka.

>>7087137
I would love to start a fashion shop in the UK but I'm very conscious about overcharging.. But then if I sell items without being able to get a wholesale price, and add custom fees on top, the cost would be even higher than just using a SS, unless I make no profit at all. God knows how lolita resellers work.

>>7087137
Without ODIP, Lief sold 3 Matryoshka dresses.

With ODIP (and all the drama and markup and whatnot), Lief sold almost all Matryoshka dresses in stock (about 20).

I am trying to hook Lief up to Fairytale Boutique, mfashion.eu and so on as well, but at the end of the day they *aren't* interested if Lief does not give them a 45%-50% discount. While this is normal for the fashion business, this is simply not the level of discount Sora can give.

> through a SS which would save me anywhere from $30-60 and would keep me from giving Marie my business
This is a personal choice (and I highly doubt you would save $30-60, you are paying for the dress, the domestic shipping fees to SS, the SS's 15% commission and overseas EMS by weight as opposed to Sora's flat rate) but there are current existing reservations through facebook and Lief website and you do not have to use a shopping service. Sora does not have an exclusivity agreement with ODIP, it is mainly to sidestep the bullshit EGL ban because of wonderfinch's powertripping. If you want to show Sora she can sell on her own, please buy from her on your own already!

When you pay markup in a store, you are paying for the store's ability to reserve and stock it. I can understand that since you cannot go to the ODIP store in Australia you don't want to pay for it, but it's not just going to be ODIP. Whether it's fairtyale, mfashion, ERGI, rakuten, KERA SHOP (Sora plans to present at a la mode next year) - Lief sold at retail will always have a markup.

Also, please take into consideration that stock reserved for overseas production is separate from stock reserved for domestic production - if you buy through SS, you're just robbing a Korean lolita of a Lief dress, and on top of that you're not giving Sora proper feedback on what international lolitas want out of Lief.

>>7087266
Call me stupid, but I was under the impression that Sora will not sell direct to you if you're an international? She's not a bitch about it, I just heard that she's instead passing people along to ODIP. Btw, asking us to not use an SS because we're robbing a poor Korean is horseshit, you would never use that argument on ppl who use an SS to get an AP release direct from Japan.

So we mostly agree that buying Lief from Marie is fucked up. What other options does that leave?

A Korean SS, but the last time someone asked no names came up.

Buying from Sora direct? Do you need to speak Korean to do that?

>>7087358
>I just heard that she's instead passing people along to ODIP
Angela Stella, particularly the L size, is an ODIP exclusive release.
She does not hold any stock for Matryoshka anymore (I think 1 OP and 1 skirt left or something like that?) - it's all gone to ODIP.
You can currently order My Tart refit and Alice in Mixworks without ODIP in between.

>Btw, asking us to not use an SS because we're robbing a poor Korean is horseshit.
I don't know how many dresses AP makes or what their production runs are, but because Sora has to set aside separate production times for Korea and overseas, what happens is Sora ends up with an overbooked domestic run and a shitload of dead stock (read: 30 dresses per colourway/size) for an international run. If she tries to resell this too often, her Korean customers will notice and will start drama about how it is not worth getting Lief by reservation since everyone is going to get it anyway - and sora needs that reservation money to produce. She was in tears over Matryoshka only getting 3 orders even though she discounted it to basically production cost.

>>7087365
email sora_lolita@naver.com direct and either Sora will answer in her very limited English or I will answer with some 1-2 day delay after discussing with Sora.

>>7087383
Just a comment, but Lief's Matryoshka series probably had so few orders initially because Lief's return wasn't very well advertised internationally. I almost feel like people saw that they were back when ODIP started taking orders and then it got shared around. I also know that there were a number of us who were wanting to see how Lief handled international orders after the mess that happened last time.

And what's this about Lief/Sora being banned? She's on the official list of banned sellers.

>>7087411
Wondercunt deleted Sora's post about Matryoshka/Lief on egl and has "banned" Lief for "past bad behaviour" (read: Chunghui/Mew scamming everyone while representing herself as Sora) and asked Sora for proof that she personally paid out of pocket to reimburse everyone affected by regimental ornament/sacred night. I translated for Sora several replies and got Sora to send the proof. Wondercunt never responded. The end.

>>7087266
For a $200 dress, a 10% SS fee would be $20 + $3 domestic shipping + $20 airmail on top of the dress price, compared to the $50 markup + $40 shipping for ODIP. Even if the fee was higher, that's still a significant difference.

> Sora does not have an exclusivity agreement with ODIP
See, this is news to me. My preference would be to order straight from Sora going forward - I just wasn't aware that you could do so, since ODIP made a big deal about being the official "international distributor" for Lief. Nobody wants to use a shopping service if they don't have to. I think making it clear in the future that that's an option would be good, and so I'm glad the group order option now exists (though so many people on fb are flakes).

And I agree with >>7087411
that Matryoshka just wasn't noticed by anyone in the international community. That's too bad about Wonderfinch, though. Is she banned from the FB sales too?

>>7087383
:( that bit about sora and matryoshka gets me right in the feels. I wanted matryoshka so badly. Would have sold a kidney for it. In fact have been trying to sell a dress for months and would have used the money for matryoshka if I could have. I only ever seem to get interest in Lolita again when I'm shit broke.

>>7087266
Hey so I can just comment/message via FB to reserver internationally? Can you give me a breakdown of what the current run JSK style would cost via that route? It would be to the US if that makes a difference.

>>7087476
It'll be $250 AUD (about $230 USD) plus $35 USD EMS. If you search the Lief group order you'd know who I am, just ask me or Sage Loya who's running Alice in Mixworks.

>>7087463
...But the dresses aren't $200.00. SS fees aren't a flat 10%. Airmail from Korea to US isn't $20. Not to mention that a shopping service obviously doesn't pay income tax. Not to mention that the shipping from ODIP will only be like that if the dress is in Australia.

Again, you are free to order directly from Sora but to be honest with you, I'm really jaded by the way people are talking about how they would have bought from Lief but for ODIP when in reality, it's nothing like that. I haven't seen any of these orders.

>>7087642
Except they are?
Stella JSk: 225,000 won = $205 USD
thebestbuykorea SS fee= 10% = $21
Shipping for a 1 kg parcel to the USA = $20

I'm not pulling these numbers out of my ass, I did actually do the math. All I'm saying is that as a customer in the US, if I'm going to order from Lief anytime soon, I will do so either directly through Sora, or through a Korean SS, because these are the cheaper ways than going through ODIP. And it seems that most people in this thread agree that they'd rather go directly through Sora rather than through Marie or a SS.

But it seems to me that most people in this thread weren't aware that an option other than ODIP exists - if nothing else, ODIP is good at self-promotion. So they've been willing to suck it up and buy through ODIP but they're aren't happy about it. Or they're like me and don't want to go through ODIP because of the extra cost + Marie's bitchiness. Or they just like to bitch because it's cgl.

It may be that the (reasonably) stable buying platform and promotional opportunities that ODIP has to offer Lief outweigh the negatives. But the negatives do exist, and I think acknowledging them is a good thing.

I really like Lief; I own Gardenberries and the Regimental Stripe skirt and I was really excited to hear that the brand is back. There haven't been any new releases yet that have been to my taste, but I fully anticipate there will be at some point. When that happens, I as a customer appreciate there being more options than ODIP.

>>7087634
ok... so it's still cheaper to order with an SS? Sorry I thought I'd be getting the retail price via ordering directly from FB

>>7087194
As a reseller myself, I can tell you now that you'll make 90% of your business from itas and crossdressers and it will destroy your soul.

>>7081460
are you kidding me? they can't be serious to charge this much

>>708786
They do, and whats worse is that people buy them!

>>7081446
I'd rather get the fabric myself and make my own dress. This looks like shit, yet some people on Tumblr are falling over themselves about it.

>>7087739
Stella JSK: 225,000 won = $205 USD
...That's like the cheapest option (not that option for L sizes are available in Korea anyway), and these prices are subsidised by local customers who attend her reservation tea parties and regularly order small items with her. I cannot imagine an SS representative sitting in Sora's reservation tea parties and it's just... douchey.

When Sora put Angela Stella up at *wholesale* price up on the overseas site, it was $200+. This markup is unavoidable because KRW is not a tradeable currency; sora receives money in paypal through USD which goes through the Korean Foreign Exchange Bank that takes out another hefty cut.

>if I'm going to order from Lief anytime soon
>When that happens, I as a customer appreciate there being more options than ODIP.
lief.kr (the overseas website) has existed for a while now and so has her facebook, and I've convinced her to get livejournal and tumblr. I'm trying to get mfashion.eu and fairytale boutique. Sora's keeping reserve stock that she can't afford to in order to present at a la mode next year. What good idea is it that you have beyond this as an 'option'?

>But the negatives do exist, and I think acknowledging them is a good thing.
I am not denying, but simply explaining to you why despite the negatives Sora has made this decision.

You are essentially telling me to tell Sora that she made the wrong decision and Sora should come apologise on behalf of customer(s) who haven't bought anything and will not buy anything but just want to complain. That's horrible and I am not going to do that.

>>7087740
How do you come to this conclusion? In Korea, My Tart could only be reserved by people who attended the tea party for Alice in Mixworks.

>>7087420
That's disgusting, I'm so sad to hear that.

I really wanted Stella......like majorly wanted it. I will one day get a Lief dress in my collection <3

>>7087974
wondefuck needs to go.

>>7087986
I don't know how to make this happen. She has her claws in all of the J-related communities on LJ

>>7087988
Do you think if enough people complain about her and her shit modding ability we can get rid of her?

>>7087990
Anonymously?
I don't think anyone will want to risk their un being attached to a bid to oust her. It's too risky...

>>7087896
"Douchey" or not, it's still significantly cheaper than the same piece from ODIP, which is the relevant point in this comparison and what a lot of lolitas care about.

I think you misunderstood me on a couple points, I apologize if I was being unclear:
>What good idea is it that you have beyond this as an 'option'?
I'm glad that the direct-through-Sora or international website option exists, as it's cheaper, easier, and probably much more pleasant than dealing with Marie.

>You are essentially telling me to tell Sora that she made the wrong decision and Sora should come apologise on behalf of customer(s)
I don't think she needs to apologize or anything, but I think she and those working with her should be aware of the ways in which working with ODIP can adversely affect the business. Such as that people may not want to reserve things if they think that ODIP is their only option, or if they do, they'll be unhappy about it. That is what I meant by "acknowledge," because it sounded like she wasn't aware.


After reading your responses again, I think there might be fundamental advertising problem. I sound like a broken record, but to restate what I said in
>>7087463 and
>>7087739,
before this thread, I did not know that there was an option other than ODIP. And I don't think I'm alone or even in the minority, seeing how many others were bitching about that being their only choice. If Sora wants to work with ODIP that's her business decision regardless of what I think of it. I at least have only been unhappy because I thought that was the only choice I had and it was a bad one.

tl:dr this whole thing:
>ODIP sucks for non-Australian international buyers
>buying through a GO or Sora is better
>but many people didn't know that was an option
>now some of them do, and more people should know!

I'll shut up now, I seriously just want Lief to do well and put out more beautiful things and am happy that I don't have to go through ODIP to buy them.

>>7087994
Yes anonymously. I know posting secrets probably won't work. Perhaps someone could post a secret and then we can discuss it there and link it up to a gtfo post regarding the secret?

>>7087996
is there a list of specific complaints about her?

>>7087996
I'd be all up for this to get a discussion happening.

>>7087997
I think she gets bought up in cgl a lot. The archives probably have a lot of stories/anecdotes
GTFO has some too - she needs a tag tbh
http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/553849.html
http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/585729.html

>>7087997
Honestly I'm not sure. I know this is one for certain, the rosaire thing that happened a few weeks ago as well. I know there has been other things, but I'm not exactly positive.

>>7088004
I feel like there's some discontent, but idk how much is with wonderfinch specifically as opposed to general mod grumbling.

>>7088004
If there're really good reasons to not have her as a mod, they need to be clear and lined up, otherwise it's just vendetta-channing.

>>7088004
Her handling of the maikodolly situation was shitballs.

>>7088547
>>7088002
We can still get secrets in now guys, nothing's going up till midnight...

>>7087896
Hey... do you know if Sora is going to be doing any animal themed stuff? I loved Gardenberries (and spent quite a lot on it second hand after the old brand died) so I've been waiting for something similar to come out and saving up money. I follow you guys on FB so I'm just rabidly waiting, but maybe you could give me a hint? or not, I get nda and stuff too.

>>7087411
There are apparently some people who still say they weren't repaid and Lief hasn't proven that they were. So now Lief's translator goes on rants about how EGL is biased and Wonderfinch sucks and makes Lief look like shit. She also went on a rant about Haenuli in the My Tart order group in FB. If I hadn't already paid, I'd have pulled my order. She's really unpleasant and reflects very poorly on the company.

>>7088673
Just jumping in to say that I was one of the people who lost their money over the Sacred Night dresses. I was one of the first people to order mine, one of the last to receive an invoice, and then my dress never arrived. I have emailed Lief, back when she kind of came back and start refunding people. I was promised a refund after sending her all the information of my purchase, but then suddenly the communication stopped. So yeah, I didn't get my refund, I didn't get my dress... I'm so pissed off with them as a company. And I know I'm not the only one in this situation.

>>7088685
Stories like this make me okay with replicas of Lief stuff, despite the fact that they will never exist

>>7088685
interesting, and yet the translator said Sora provided proof of the refunds. You should get with the translator and get your refund.

>>7088708
I've been told to contact so many different people. First of all it was contact klanaide, then it was contact dohreimee, then it was contact Sora. I feel like I've been sent on a wild goose chase for over 2 years.

>>7088719
Well hopefully the translator comes back, fuck even if it was having to contact 10 different people with the same copy/paste email and attachments, I'd do it to get a couple hundred bucks back.

>>7088723
Yeah it's just frustrating that every time I start to get somewhere with someone, they tell me to contact someone else. Who is the translator anyway?

>>7088673
>rant about Haenuli in the My Tart order group
Link/cap?

>>7088729
Hmmm they have been responding to this thread a lot and said 'if you search the Lief group order you'll know who I am' but I'm not in the group order, I think they will be back to this thread since they have been really active. or you could message the Lief FB page and ask for them.

>>7088735
Guess I need to reactivate my facebook account. Thanks anyway, anon.

>>7088673
....Um...the translator never said anything about Haenuli in the My Tart GO on fb unless I've missed something. Got caps to back that up? I find she's polite and hell of a lot nicer to deal with than having to deal with Marie alone. But, sounds like you're just vendetta-channing.

>>7088752
>>7088733
Caps

>>7088742
This pic has the translator's fb name, so you can contact her

>>7088753
If anyone is interested, these are the pics in the links.

>>7088673
You're honestly saying that because someone volunteering to help the GO has an opinion about Haenuli (this isn't Sora's opinion), that you'd pull out of the order? You poor thing.

>>7088758
Not that anon, but it doesn't come across as very professional. On the one hand, yes she is a volunteer and it is not necessarily the designer's opinion. On the other hand, do I want someone that unprofessional handling my money, when Lief already has a poor track record.

>>7088760
ok I see the similarities. But this is not a direct knock off, so yes they will 'get away with it' because they aren't doing anything illegal and there's no way you could rule and say they are 'similar enough' to be a direct copy of the original, there are too many changes.

>>7088760
But... both the scalloped print and the vignettes throughout are both rather popular design choices in Lolita and Otome prints. Am I missing something?

>>7088764
I would think that perhaps the GO fb page maybe isn't the place for that kind of discussion but it was bound to come up sooner or later. The translator just seems to want to clear Sora's name (by talking about wondercunt - so maybe we need to see Sora's caps of her discussions with wondercunt to establish whether this is really a vendetta about wondercunt or whether wondercunt really is just a cunt).
Also, for two designers in close proximity, those prints look remarkably similar with the circular scalloped designs with strawberries around the rabbits. While it isn't a complete rip-off, it is enough for even me to think "wow, looks like Haenuli is looking for some inspiration because she's running out of ideas". Some people have a tougher view on this, hence the scathing attitude the translator has come across with.
Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm sort of half asleep.

>>7088673
I speak Korean. If anyone needs help with any of this let me know.

>>7088752
Someone else beat me to sharing caps. I've never had an issue with lief and I have no issue with lief other than being slightly wary of the brand after people got ripped off before. However, the translator, volunteer or not, really, really rubs me the wrong way. As I said before, some people still claim not to have gotten their money back. So the fact that she's willing to slam the entire EGL community for the situation sends up serious red flags.

>>7088758
First of all, volunteer could just mean unpaid worker; that was never really made clear to me.

Second of all, yes. I can be wary of giving money to someone who is being serious unprofessional while representing a brand with a bad track record. Because what her attitude says is that if there is a problem, I'm SOL because she's going to play the victim. So yeah, I'm concerned.

>>7088806
She's Shiverling, if that explains anything.

>>7088760
They don't even look alike. Gardenberries is way cuter.

>>7088760
Can't decide whether I like Haenuli's take on it. I love the idea of the fawn fur background but its too saturated?

>>7088813
>>7088817
Man, Sora has a really bad track record of international partnership decisions. First the whole business with Mew, now Marie and Shiverling?

>>7088826
Personally I like Haenuli's better aside from the faun background. If she offered it on a different background I'd be all over that. I want the tights for sure though.

>>7088817
Whaaaaaaaaaat, the translator is SHIVERLING? REALLY?a

>>7088826
>>7088833
I have Gardenberries and I love it, but I want the Haenuli one too, just not in that color.

>>7088833
I hope you're super fucking tall. Everyone I know who has gotten Haenuli tights has been too short for them by almost six inches, and these are girls who are 5'5" or so.

>>7088841
really? that long? I'm not tall, but I have proportionately long legs. I'll just have to see. If they don't work, I'll make them into OTNs. I know some people do that with tights that are too short, right?

>>7088852
Dunno if it'll work. They're a heavy denier at least, so maybe? But yeah, that long. One girl just folded the "extra" up around the top of her thighs and it was a good four to six inches unstretched. Maybe they'll have fixed that by now, but Haenuli seems to think westerners are all freakish giants.

>>7088806
Calling it slamming is a bit of a stretch, as it's really only wonderfinch that is being blamed. Just because someone rubs you the wrong way is a pretty lame reason to pull out of buying something that you may really like but not buying because a business has a bad history is understandable - expect anon has specifically said they've paid and would pull out because of the translator. Just because I go to McDonalds and a pimply faced dick serves me one time doesn't mean I'm going to stop buying from there (crappy example).
Also, people are still claiming they haven't got their money back. Claiming being the key word. There's a lot of anons that are crying they didn't get their money back but I haven't seen anyone actually come forward, especially now Lief is back.
>>7088764 The translator isn't handling your money, Marie from ODIP is. ODIP has never had any major financial conflicts beyond having a nasty girl as an owner, so it says something that ODIP is going to work with Lief to prove that Lief is in the right hands now and Sora isn't going to have any dramas with whatever happend with mew and whatnot

>>7088836
>>7088817
How does her being Shiverling explain anything? There is no real drama associated with that username.

>>7088858
>"To be honest, Sora has never had a good treatment in egl even before Mew/Lief."
That implies that she thinks poorly of the whole community.

Let's say my friend goes to McDonalds and gets food poisoning. I'm not 100% sure it was their food, but I'm now cautious. Then I go in and I see the person behind the counter spitting in food. Then, I wouldn't go back. I'd buy a burger elsewhere.

I don't care what she looks like, or even if she's a nice person. I care if she cares enough about the business she is representing to handle herself in a mature and professional manner. If she doesn't, it's telling of the service that one can expect.

I'm risking a few hundred dollars here on a brand with a bad track record for a dress that I am taking on faith that they will create and deliver. I think I have the right to be concerned when their representatives behavior don't meet general standards of professionalism. Especially since Marie doesn't even have a good reputation.

>>7088875
sorry, that last sentence is confusing, I just mean that the person between me and sora is being unprofessional AND marie has a reputation of a sort, so it makes me somewhat nervous (but at least marie hasn't actually had issues with her company, so there is that.)

>>7088872
are you serious?

>>7088872
>shiverling
>no drama

you must be new

>>7088904
It looks like a lot of her drama threads are full of broken links so if someone is new... that would make sense.

>>7088918
Care to share what you know?

>>7088597
Sorry, not that I know of. Since Lief restarted it was My Tart - Matryoshka - Angela Stella - Alice in Mixworks - Instrumental Regimental - [unnamed cloud chamber gothic collab] - [gold screenprint carousel on velveteen] this year. I only volunteer stuff Sora gives me from time to time, I don't have any creative control over anything except perhaps giving English names to the releases.
>>7088673
There were less than 20 people total out of the entire order who did not get a dress and did not get a refund.
>>7088685
I'm sorry to say this, but if you were 'one of the last' chances are your invoice was not even from Chunghui/Mew's paypal, it could have been belovedwolf/dollyberry/in the snowfield or even Haenuli. If you PM me with your details I have screencaps from Chunghui's paypal records and I can match up for you and tell Sora.
>>7088875
>"To be honest, Sora has never had a good treatment in egl even before Mew/Lief."
>That implies that she thinks poorly of the whole community.
How do you come to that conclusion, or for that matter, how is it unprofessional to state that egl pretty much said "oh lol it's OK for rose melody to replicate Sora's gift design for Strawberry On the Shortcake"? It was simply bad treatment by egl to Sora.
>>7088872
I troll lolisecrets regularly.

>>7089020
http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/tag/name%3A%20shiverling
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/S6894949#p6901017
http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/S6678968


not even 5 minutes searching

>>7089260
...woah, hold up. Just because you have a vendetta against the snowfield and haenuli does not make it OK to pretend they scammed anyone.

>>7089260
less than 20 people scammed and 0 people scammed are very different numbers.

I don't understand how any brand would ever want to work with ODIP ever again, after the shit she pulled with Lockshop. Sure, Choke isn't the best person out there and some of her own actions and words are questionable, but what Marie did was inexcusable and she should not be in charge of dealing with other brands ever again. I've heard many other horror stories about her store too, so the "oh anon, this only happened once" doesn't fly with me.

I hope that Lief is prepared for the coming shitfest from Marie if something doesn't go as planned.

>>7089383
oh she's going to come back and tell you

>Everyone LIEF invoiced was refunded tho

>>7089386
What happened between Choke and Marie? Please share anon.

Prior to Lief Marie and ODIP was already the distributor for BTSSB, AATP, IW, Metamorphose and Doki Doki 6%.

>>7089386
Wow...way to be self righteous. If I had to pick a side over Choke and Marie I'd pick Marie. But declaring that Marie shouldn't do dealings with other businesses again is just stupid. She's done alright with Baby and other established brands overseas. At this point you're just grabbing at straws to hate her and I'm no fan of Marie.

>>7089402
She sold her wigs for cost price, whilst shitting on her for selling her wigs that nothing like the picture Choke was using to sell these wigs with. Seagulls make up stories about how their lockshop wigs look slightly different, but because this is ODIP and not even because she's a business, it's suddenly really awful.
>>7089382
I'm not Shiverling, but Dollyberry/In the snowfield is a scammer, and Haenuli potentially is too.

>>7089406
+1

>>7088547
She's really not mature enough to handle ANY potential scammer situations. Or any situations involving money. She can't even follow the own rules of the communities she admins.

>>7089406
Of course she does alright with big brands like Baby, she would think twice with starting up a stink with them. There is a lot of shit around Marie, not only with other small brands, but I've heard plenty of customer complaints.

>>7089407
Correct me if I'm wrong, but how did Marie expect to have pictures of a style that was not made yet? I was under the impression those were inspiration pictures and not actual stock images.

>>7089260
Who's paypal account starts with geumbittna? Because that is who I got the invoice from.

>>7088872
Shiverling is a massive bitchy cunt who has, on multiple occasions, said incredibly fucked up, rude, nasty things. Why anyone in their right mind would allow her to represent them is beyond me. That's damning your company right from the start. At least now that I know it's her, I can spread the word.

>>7089413
>how did Marie expect to have pictures of a style that was not made yet
If I'm remembering the situation correctly, the style HAD been made. It was the hime style. It didn't come pre-styled as it did in the photos.

I just find it hilarious that Choke removed that style from the site and redid it not long after. If there was nothing wrong with those wigs, nor her practice of using styled stock photos rather than unstyled (which is what you get when you buy it), then why would she have done that? Quality control? The whole thing was stupid.

>>7088760
Where do I go to buy the one on the left?

Also they look nothing alike apart from having bunnies and a scalloped print at the bottom. This is just being stupid. That would be like calling plagerism every time there was a dress that featured bows or polka dots or fucking cake and strawberries

>>7089417
>>7089407
>>7089402
>>7089406
>>7089386
just so anyone can make up their own mind about it and actually have proof and screen caps of what happened:

http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/536812.html

I think both sides were dumb.

>>7082670
Not quite a scam, but I ordered from them awhile back. Apparently they forgot about my order and sent me an email a few days later saying the item I bought was no longer in stock. Got a refund, though. Will never order from ODIP ever again.

>>7089382
>>7089383
>>7089388
I don't have a vendetta: but the fact is that of regimental ornament and sacred night were resold by Chunghui/Mew to Haenuli and in the snowfield to be resold in the US - saying "my sacred night/regimental dress never arrived" just is not enough information.

Insofar as I know, there were less than 20 people who were affected by Chunghui/Mew and Sora has made contact with all of them.

Which comes to the other point: Sora was essentially scammed by people who claimed to be her or represented her, and she never had control over the paypal or the old livejournal account. Anyone who was actually invoiced by "Lief" throughout would have noticed that the paypal was not under Sora's name to begin with.

The money from the refund came from her severance package from her old job, and there are also people who refused refunds because of that.

Complaining anonymously over the lack of a refund when Sora has had a very public facebook presence and Marie has been going around with promoting Lief distributorship with ODIP, especially knowing that their initial invoice was never from Sora, is just low.

>>7089407
>I'm not Shiverling, but Dollyberry/In the snowfield is a scammer, and Haenuli potentially is too.

Can you elaborate please? This is the first time I've heard of them being scammers. And I mean, they actually stole customer's money and did not provide service or product.

>>7089424
>Haenuli and in the snowfield to be resold in the US
This is the first time I've heard of this, but I didn't become active in the online community until about a year later, there is proof that this happened?

>>7089417
No the style was completely new. Choke held group orders of a similar style before, privately, but that was months before the whole shebang went down and it was from a completely different factory. So no, it was not possible for the style to have pictures already.

>I just find it hilarious that Choke removed that style from the site and redid it not long after.
You must be confused there, Choke didn't remove them until they were sold out and just recently did a new version of that (which is roughly 2 years later).

So how boned am I, as a USA potential customer? I really wanted to reserve this.

I think I'll also mention that I,as someone with no ties to any Korean brands before and was not part of past issues, am very hesitent and nervous to purchase from any Korean brand, whether ot was Haenuli or Baroque or whatever. Leif's failures really kinda darkened the future of Korean brands, especially because the same people are still involved. Even unsourced rumors make me nervous...

>>7089422
Sadly that link does not show fully what Mariko_senpai posted completely, she removed most of the post quite quickly. Trust me, it was completely batshit insane and so much delicious dramu

>>7089434
You can see the simple proof that she posted, publically, to a sales community the shit that got left up

>the person who needs to see it saw it

or w/e, while Choke only posted to her private blog. I mean, I don't get how people can side with Mariko after all the proof choke posted and the fact she kept it on her personal spaces to rant about. But I guess that's just how it goes.

The best was how someone asked to buy some of the wigs, but Mariko said she had already sold them to someone. Like, wtf you posted SOLD wigs just to make a fool out of yourself as some veiled revenge? What a fucking psycho.

>>7089433
You'll get your stuff. Actually from personal experience, I find Haenuli's quality to be rather questionable. You'll get your stuff, it will be pretty good, but something will fall off or fall apart. Her obsession with 6' tall women is also odd.

But then, that's an ugly design, if you like this, you probably don't care if your stuff is ugly.

>>7089436
>I don't get how people can side with Mariko after all the proof choke posted and the fact she kept it on her personal spaces to rant about.

This is what really rubs me the wrong way about her, she has a history of starting bitchfights in public spaces. And a lot of times they're either over imagined slights or completely out of proportion to criticism.

>>7089442
Trying to fix the ribbon bow on my Royal Kitten jsk and it's falling apart in other places. I got trolled hard by Haenuli, top kek.

>>7089427
They were mostly sold through con booths. Some regimental ornament were also sold through Frill. I have a friend who bought a regimental ornament through someone who attended Frill.

She auctioned off a sacred night recently through fb, the system thinks the link is spam though
>>7089416
And the first rule of the tautological club is the first rule of the tautological club. You think I am a nasty cunt - therefore anything I say is nasty - therefore I am a nasty cunt, and therefore you will damn some other person's business because I am being nice to them. Have you considered boycotting Juliette et Justine too since I buy from them?

>>7089447
So... they were sold up front, not via online sales...?

>>7089447
That sounds like the left over stock was bought by them from LIEF (after they already took the orders online and didn't send out the product) and then resold. How does this prove that they were the ones who took the online orders, did not deliver the product, and then sold the product at cons instead???

Maaaan you girls are the bitchest kind I've ever seen. If you don't trust them, don't buy. Bitch when shit goes down and it's absolutely sure that new lot of the lief organisation shits all over as you seem to predict, but this is just pointless useless bantering drama over nothing. Even more than usual cgl bitching, that is.

Besides the fact that shiverling trolled the fuck out of all of you so well that you're this massively butthurt, there's nothing else here in the thread.

>>7089454
lol

>>7089450
They were sold both online and offline, just not via comm sales as far as I know.
>>7089452
The point I am making is that if the entire argument is "I ordered a regimental ornament/sacred night, paid by paypal and did not receive my dress", the original paypal invoice could have been from any one of 3 people, and they should contact me with the information they have on their end so I can match it up.

>>7089450
There were some sold on egl, a friend got one for her and me. Two ornament regimental stripes. They're actually different from the originals, the L is smaller, and the waistbands were printed with the ornaments.
They also had a god awful Frill tag stabbed through, pulling the fabric. They were also sold for more than what Sora thought they would be.

11/10 mad

>>7089454
>Besides the fact that shiverling trolled the fuck out of all of you so well that you're this massively butthurt, there's nothing else here in the thread.
+1

>>7089416
>At least now that I know it's her, I can spread the word.
You say that like anyone gives a shit about shiverling. Obviously you have some kind of butthurt vendetta against her.
>ITT: Butthurt, butthurt errywhurr

>>7089495
>>7089497
>>7089454

>all dat b8 m8

>>7089424
Correct. Haenuli and Snowfield bought up the dead stock and resold it. That doesn't make them scammers. The girl saying she didn't get her money back said she pre-ordered.

I'm saying you have a vendetta as this is twice that you have accused Haenuli of illegal activity blamelessly.

>>7089459
Haenuli and the Snowfield had nothing to do with the pre-orders. They sold dresses long after the fact yes, but they never represented them selves as being part of Lief. That's like accusing anyone who ever sold one second hand ever of potentially being a scammer, when this person clearly said they pre-ordered from Lief and paid the Lief representative.

>>7089433
I've ordered from Haenuli before and a number of my friends have. There have never been any issues, the quality was high, she communicates well, keeps you in the loop during the whole production process, includes small gifts with the purchases, is polite and professional. Honestly, the only problems I've ever heard with her things quality wise is that she patterns things for taller people. But if you are buying a skirt, that won't matter.

>>7089442
I have two dresses from her and a friend has one and nothing has fallen apart, fallen off or otherwise become damaged. They are pretty solidly put together. What did you do to yours?

>>7089674
Wait, so why is anyone saying that they scammed anyone? Just because they sold Lief dresses at one point? Am I missing something?

>>7089717
Shiverling apparently just has something against them and is trying to blame the leftover Lief/Mew scam drama on them so she can continue to claim that no one got ripped off in the end and that Lief is so mistreated.

>>7089683
I wore it. One button popped off at the shoulder, where it wasn't strained. Also the fabric was pulled and the front bow fell apart when I was straightening it.
The friend with me got a skirt, and the elastic is wonky, another friend has a stained glass with busted eyelets.

We we're all really keen on our stuff, and still like them, but that worse than what was going on with the original Lief stuff. What's going on in Korean factories, is a better question.

>>7089750
Oh wow, that's really surprising. I wonder if she switched manufacturers? Because the pieces I and my friend have are some of her earlier ones.

>>7089447
>implying you AREN'T a cunt

It's not an opinion, shiverling. You can't say the things you did and then go "tee-hee, I'm just a cute happy loli-chan ^____^"

I wonder if falsely accusing people to be scammers is against the egl_comm_sales rules.

>>7089791
Maybe just luck of the draw, like one of my old Lief items was perfect, another had a bit of elastic not caught in the shirring. (I know Lief changed manufacturers, but maybe Haenuli should look into it.)

>>7089864
She's not denying that she's a nasty cunt; she openly admits this. She's saying people's logic for shitting on Lief is fucked, when they're saying it's because of her.

>>7089866
EGL aside, I would think it would be edging into defamation law territory...

>>7089891
A company is only as good as their employees--or in this case, their representatives. I wouldn't trust a company that chose someone who has said and done the things she has. It would be like Meta suddenly wanting

>>7090249
derp, enter too soon

*suddenly wanting someone like tiferet as a representative

>>7088817
>She's Shiverling, if that explains anything.
hahaha I knew it, felt like I remembered from past refund dramu that she's friends with Sora

explains her butthurt with the other brands then, I guess

>>7090249
>>7090255
But tiferet is a crazy hot ita mess, shiverling is just a cunt. Flawed logic.

>>7090255
Please don't even troll

>>7091195
shiverling has a man body, tho

>>7089665
> The girl saying she didn't get her money back said she pre-ordered.
She never said she pre-ordered. Simply that she was one of the last to buy and first to be invoiced. She also doesn't even say which series it was for.
>>7089674
>when this person clearly said they pre-ordered from Lief and paid the Lief representative.
Again, she said no such thing, but I wonder how long it will take before this sinks in: nobody pre-ordered anything from Lief. There was no Lief representative. There was just Chunghui/Mew.
>That's like accusing anyone who ever sold one second hand ever of potentially being a scammer
They sold these items firsthand, not secondhand (including printed fabric not made into dresses), not secondhand, and all I am saying is that Sora only had Chunghui's paypal logs to match the person's records up with.
I note that said person has not actually contacted Marie or Sora about this refund.
>>7090249
lol at "lief representative" - you're really stretching things here.
>>7090392
>felt like I remembered from past refund dramu that she's friends with Sora
Neither of us knew each other back then and I didn't give two shits about refund dramu past cruxcommissa, you should go get your feels re-tuned.

>>7091914
>Just jumping in to say that I was one of the people who lost their money over the Sacred Night dresses. I was one of the first people to order mine,
>I was one of the first people to order mine,
>I was one of the first

>>7091914
When Lief sold Sacred Night, it was done through pre-orders though, so it's safe to assume that since she said she ordered it, it was a pre-order.

>>7081446
>tfw nerdy lolita will never stop being a thing

Since Shiverling has a vendetta agains Snow Field, is that who made the secret about her copying some girl's rosettes?

>>7082691
OMG this!
I asked her a simple question about how my order was going and she went apeshit!
She was super defensive and was going on and on about her business etc. Found the whole thing quite unsettling as her reaction was way way over the top.
Seeing here that other people have experienced similar things. I think she's some kind of sociopath. Taking offense to the tiniest thing.
After that one time, I'm never dealing with her again. For someone who claims to be so professional it was completely unjustified.

>>7092633
I honestly don't think she can handle her workload. No matter what anyone says, it puts everyone off.

>>7092284
Who ever it was clearly lives under a rock.

>>7092800
Lots of people make rosettes but those were the most similar to Moss Badger's I've seen. Whatever, Moss Badger handled it gracefully so whoever was trying to start drama, they failed.

>>7092633
I was going to purchase a second hand dress from her (ODIP) and asked if she would make an offer to the seller on my behalf. She made it seem like it was a huge service and that she doesn't typically offer 'any ordinary' customer this kind of 'privilege' she also charged me $30 for postage (and I live in Melbourne...)

>>7082684
>Molly Weasley with a hangover
I lol'd

How is Snow Field related to Lief?

>>7093379
They aren't