/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Is pic related a guy? I can never tell.

>tfw no boyfriend

>>7356630
What dress is that? It's wonderful.

Also, judging by the chest, that's a guy. It looks like the dress is tight across the chest and he tried to stuff the front, but he didn't do a very good job and got... flat chest loaf?

I've always wanted to do some brolita, but all of my features are too masculine.

>>7356676
go for it anyway and please post pics

>>7356657
Lady Sloth's clock dress

>>7356677
not them but
>6'0
>massive shoulders
>ultra deep voice
but
>slender
>pale/smooth skin
>long hair
>feminine face
>no adam's apple

Is it worth trying? I've always wanted to try brolita but have just been too intimidated

How do brolitas deal with 5 o'clock shadow?

>>7356691
Also
>that feel when no lolita sensei to teach me the way of frills

>>7356691
please please do it, height doesn't matter. also, the voice thing, just don't talk. I have massive shoulders and I'm a grill but manage.

>>7356727
Alright... I've always wanted to so, I think I'll try.

Do you mind telling me how I might get started with brolitaing?

>>7356814
how i started:
>research the basics of lolita, shape, appropriate wear, etc
>find the style you like most/suits you best
>find shops that will make clothes to your size
>put together co-ord collages and ask for crit before buying
>first thing you should but is a petticoat, shape depends on the style you've chosen
>make up research, find colors that suit you the best/the style you've chosen
>watch tutorials on contouring for males--female might help, but depends how manly your face is
>if you're still unsure, ask for advice on one of the make up threads here

there are more details, but you get the idea?

>>7356625
They don't because they are fucking disgusting.
I hate when people sexualize this fashion. We get enough shit from ageplayers.

>>7356860
So it's inherently sexual when a male wears clothes?

>>7356860
>I hate it when people sexualize my daddy issues
You're gonna have a hell of a time when you're old enough to have a boyfriend.

>>7356860
Rude

>>7356625
Oh my frilly god it's (he was a french brolita also into aristocrat) !! He used to be e-famous with Sabi Ryuji on Skyrock and such.

>>7356987

>>7356975
Cosplay.

>>7356994

>>7357009

>>7357015

>>7357026
T'es pas Elinciel rassure moi ! Sinon vous êtes deux trois quoi

>>7357035

>>7357057

>>7356643
that doesn't look like a brolita, anon

>>7356625
Wasn't there a tall, blonde or milk tea haired russian brolita at one time? Elegant style, not sweet, but can't remember more deets.

>>7357066
Je connais Reito,Aoi,Tenshi et Mari en dehors de l'Internet et ce sont des chouettes filles en plus...il y en a eu deux qui m'ont parlé presque en pleurs (elles ont un désordre d'anxiété) quand elles ont vu ce qui c'était passé à leur thread qui étaient à la base simplement pour demander quelque chose le temps que elles s'absentent...C'est de la pure méchanceté que de faire ça. Et oui il était très bien fait et c'était flippant d'ailleurs, mais je les ai rassurées en disant que /cgl/ allait les oublier bien vite ayant d'autre "lolcows" et sujets à traiter... Pour revenir au sujet principal la comm semble un peu effrayante pour être franc...je vais faire le vieux râleur mais la comm était plus calme et mieux avant, maintenant c'est du drama pour n'importe quoi à tout les étages, on crie "ita" pour un rien,... Je sais bien que vous n'êtes pas tous comme ça mais étant timide de nature je n'ose pas vraiment me mêler.

>>7357088
(toujours moi) D'ailleurs on dirait que il ou elle s'acharne toujours sur Reito dans certaines thread.

>>7356826
Thank you for all of that information!

When I make some progress I'll post pics, I won't disappoint you anon!

>>7357092
go forth, frillbro
i will wait for your return

>>7357088
Ouais j'ai vu ça ouais, je me demande qui peux bien s'ennuyer à ce point ? Faut être sacrément con dans sa tête, et puis bien crevard aussi.
Bof, il suffit de s'éloigner des gens qui attirent des ennuis pour ne pas en avoir. Le problème de la comm c'est qu'elle est absolument plus soudée, totalement ravagée par des mini groupes et des guerres intestines...

>>7357116
J'espère retrouver cette personne pour l'afficher tien et ouais en effet. J'ai vu ça aussi et ça m'a un peu dégoûté sans compter que ça a l'air de mourir comme les forums j'espère une sorte de nouvelle ère parfois comme quand tout était actif avant. Je connais le lolita depuis 2004 et ai commencé à en porter en 2007 ...il m'arrive de regretter ce temps.

>>7356625
>be black
>be dating a guy who is really racist for about a week-who asked me out
>show him this photo
>"see, she looks cuter than you, it doesn't take that much, that style of clothing just isn't suited for black girls like you"
>this is the 20th "black girls are ugly" type comment he's given me, not to mention him saying I have a "nigger nose"
>next day
>meet at the park
>handed him this photo which I printed out
"enjoy your new girlfriend, who's a guy by the way"
>walk away
>he starts shouting after me
>"I'm not even racist! if you think I'm racist, you should see my dad! I was just telling the truth! slutty clothes are more suited for girls like you! please come back!"
>don't look back, keep marching
>"fine! I don't want to date a super sensitive bitch that gets offended at nothing!"
>never look back

that photo holds memories

>>7357219
Sounds like he wants some white brolita dick in his ass.

>>7357270
I wouldn't be suprised.
he told me how much he hated his stepmother, and went on to tell me he used her dildo in the same conversation and said
"now I know exactly what girls feel during"

glad I got outta that.
lesson learned, never go on dates with complete strangers

>>7356625

Thats just a regular CDing brolita right? Not a TS or anything

He looks better than like 90% of cgl

>>7356691
Other people just want to embarrass you, don't bother.
>INB4 OMG U SHOOD DO WAT U LUV FCK DA H8RZ

Just like frank wolf there's a shitload of shoop.

id like to do brolita, but there is no way in hell i could get away with it

>>7356692
Also really interested in that!

Here's this one time I went all out at a convention with a weave and some cakeface and everything. sadly I don't a have a picture of the full outfit... it's been very hard for me to document what I wear, but typically I wear old school stuff.

>>7357331
basically just like, get a really close shave and then put some orange lipstick or eyeshadow on your grayness and then apply foundation.

>>7357135
Arrêtez-vous et parlez dans l'Anglais. Je sais que mon français n'est pas superbe mais je ne suis pas francophone, juste comme environ toute du cgl!

>>7357334
Holy crap. You're a really pretty lolita. You pulled off being a dude AND blackxwhite.
If I can give some concrit? Less eyebrow, more eyeliner(above not under eye) and some lipgloss. It's hard to see but you seem to have pretty good skin.

>>7357337

Well shit, that's actually rather simple. I might see how well waxing or plucking does first. Thanks.

>>7357351
arigatou anon-san. my horrible secret is that I have giant bushy untouched man eyebrows, my skin reacts really badly to plucking so I just remove the unibrow and hide them under bangs ;;
I was actually in lipgloss in this picture but it was a nude shade, I'm not very confident with makeup so I prefer to keep it natural. Not sure what complements my skintone either

>>7357135
Je regrette aussi 2001-2010...

>>7357346
It was a non-that-related conversation, if you want to know about it just use google translate or shut up

>inb4 i'm one of them

>Favorite brolitas?
none I CBF following the tumblr or line journal scene, in just saved pics on my harddrive in case I need to inspire my friends

>Know any in real life?
Yes... in fact all my lolita friends just happen to be male anyway. Otherwise Im my only lolita I can hang out with. One does cute kodona tho, he's no big on dresses but has talked a bit about just dabbling with one dress.

The other...ugh. He's so difficult. Allow for greentext
> originally a best friend
> introduced lolita to him after revealing he was into drag performances
> happy for him so I gave him one of my own Anna House dresses
> "finally can try what it feels like to be dolled up but not as an adult woman!"

> cool now I won't feel alone in the fashion anymore and can swoon over dresses with someone
> nope
> 6'8 or 6'9 tall??
> cheap as hell as he's a raging alcoholic and doesn't take any friendly concern to do anything about it
> never buys any shoes, wigs, blouses, handbags, accessories, socks ANYTHING to go with his dresses
> owns 3 hideous Bodyline dresses he ordered without telling me or asking my opinion on them (dude I know they re the only T2L but what about TAOBAO LIKE I TOLD YOU!)
> buys useless BL petti like I told him especially not to
> basically splurges $150 on the ugliest dresses and a useless petti with express shipping
> won't admit decision was retarded especially the petti
> just wears lolita with his drag queen stripper heels
>one dress is so short its mid thigh
> doesn't care "because honey I got the legs for it!"
> gives in when he sees the elegant knee length I wear
> wears the (my) petticoat lower so it sticks out of dress

>>7358159
continued

basically he's a stubborn shit and although hr originally loved lolita for the modesty and cuteness he just cannot into following the rules for it let alone have ANY taste whatsoever despite following the rules of drag and performance perfectly. he just honestly doesn't take lolita seriously at all when its obvious it's as serious???
anyway back to my drama
> Goes blouse less
> no stockings or socks of course, he wears 4-5 pairs of nude pantyhose to cover his hairy legs like the old drag queens trick
> pink flower dress with black platform stripper heels, maroon/red wig, plus lowered CP petticoat combo
> still brags to this day how perfectly cute and lolicon he looked
> did I mention the intense drag queen makeup
Its like to him the only acceptable form of convincing female makeup is bronzed up and coloured drag queen makeup. Instead of looking cuter and younger he ends up looking like an older woman instead. I'm not from a prestigious beauty school, but as soon as I recommend some of my feminizing makeup suggestions (I have a boxy face) he shits on me because his 1 year in drag queening (is about 7 or 8 ocassions?) makes him 10 x better makeup user than I could be in my whole body despite being a woman using it since teens, 7-8 times minimum a FORTNIGHT
> still insists to this day to just thrillingly buy more poofy dresses before I buy him a proper petticoat even for his birthday
> will not talk to me about anything except to go buy more dresses not even some custom an*tai*nas or anything
> dude literally believes being a good lolita is a dress with a bit of poof, flower print, having a wig and acting kawaii ugu.
> but he means well I guess

>>7357337
Not same anon, but why orange ? It counteracts stubble?

>>7358159
>>7358163
And this is why men don't belong in this fashion

>>7358163
OK I just want to add this because it grinded my gears a lot
The guy is an oversized lanky west Asian guy
Its just his personality I guess but he cannot help but get into this "Omg tho but you gotta admit I pull off *insert not necessarily lolita attribute here* better than you lol" and actually deeply focuses on it every time something I'm trying to actually correct him about gets mentioned is inappropriate and also compares it to me...
> tell him strapless tartan jsk would look more modest with blouse since he has such obvious shoulders so bearing it out there would be like massive tits and cleavage
> aww i know but I pull it off well and the rest of me is still lolita so that's OK!
> brushes it off
> adds that I couldn't do it coz it doesn't suit my body shape or some shit
And like the mid thigh dress and his looong legs.
> its OK tho coz I got great legs! still the rest of me is lolita! poor you you're short and don't pull it off (bitch I'm 5'4'' and AP is almost as bad as what you're try to pass off)
> dares to mention makeup could be more youthful
> but anon-chan I do look young??
> completely brushes off and yammers about his amazing genetics making his family looking younger than they are and is why I only know about making faces younger looking (excuse me!)

I can see why he's probably doing this but its like ita defense mode. He still dresses as he does but I'm that lonely I'll accept any company

>>7358169
No, its just him.
His a huge narcissist and even he knows lol. Just instead of toning it down he embraces it full swing, which is my problem with him because its stopping him from improving jack shit and actually getting past the drinking.
My other male kodona friend has lovely coordination, sews his own clothes even and does the whole shebang with nice makeup and wig styling . He's everything you could ask for in a EGL friend except he just doesn't wear it as much as I do. I got two ends of the spectrum.

>>7358182
Anyway this is why ive been collecting pictures of brolitas. hopefully 6'8-kun can actually see what a good looking and passable lolita looks like

>>7358182
It sucks when a few shitty lolitas or brolitas mess it up for the ones who really love the fashion. Who is this cute ouji ? Pics? Tumblr?

>>7358185
No unfortunately he doesn't do either. Ouji (sorry I keep calling it kodona its just imbedded, I annoy him with it too) is only a lesser hobby of his, its a blessing when we do it more than once a month together.
We are a tiny trio so we don't really get into photos and showing it off on the internet or anything, we just wear it and go home. Heck I wear this stuff the most and I only have two pictures taken of me last year that weren't jpeggy blurry phone cam pics. Anyway I'd like his permission first.. sorry for not delivering.

>>7358163
oh might I mention the layered pantyhose thing
he wore this with peep toe platform stripper heels..
at least no one found the Facebook photos. hes severe ita and would make insta lolcow

>>7357369
hmm, I know that in mac stores in my area, you can ask the staff for advice and they look for different make-up together with you. Do you mean it turns red? because that fades you know. Your eyebrows are very thick so I would look for a solution, maybe there is a way you can lighten them with eyebrow pencil? I don't think you need a flashy colour for your lips, they look cute on there own so nude is a great pick!

>>7358147
So it's just annoying. This is not a French board! I wouldn't start talking in Italian if I was from Italy

>>7358168
orange/red tones counteract blue/green tones

its why a lot of acne cover is green

>>7356692
Salmon colored concealer under foundation. Then good contouring everywhere else. It doesn't have to be heavy handed though. Good subtle tone correcting and corrective contouring are different from what people think when they think omg contouring.

>>7358337
It's turn red and that does fade, but then like in the next two days I'll get bumps. I mean overall I guess it's not so bad because the bumps do go away but wow, I really do not enjoy how uncute that looks for those two days.
I'm gonna look into using makeup on them to see if I can get them to be less blunt looking, thanks!

>>7358342
People often speak in swedish, spanish and tons of other language here, I don't know why you care so much

>>7358342
Fuck off cunt

I really like Pastel Puke, he's really pretty and very Kawaii Desu. I've been following his Tumblr for some time and I had his Facebook fan page. I love this coord in particular, because he used a cosplay wig and made it look not ita. Looks super cute with the matching bunnies. I know he's had some really bad outfits, but oh my god he's improved so much and I admire him a lot.

>>7358555
Not in Swedish. The few Swedish-cons thread are always written in English-only. Some anon got a lot of hate for wrighting in Swedish, so yeah.

>>7357219
What a dickhead.

Skinny, tall, femfaced male here.

With a budget of $1, 000 how seriously can I get into lolita fashion?

>tfw no kawaii seagull friend to teach me how to be elegant and cute

>>7358851
With that you can get started fine, it should be more than enough for one co-ord if you buy secondhand.

>>7358851
That's more than enough to get a whole coord if you're savvy about your purchases. Secondhand definitely.

>>7358851
Go Taobao custom

>>7358851
That is plenty budget for more than 1 complete coordinate. Not the top of the line brand but certainly some nice things.
How tall? Are your shoulders broad? You may be able to fit into some brand skirts or possibly JSK with an underskirt to add length if your other measurements are in range. Do you have makeup/wig already or do you need them? Shoe size? Shoes may likely need to be custom.

>Be casual crossdresserfag for non-sexual reasons
>Never been to a con, not into animu
>See a few pics of girls wearing lolita
>Oh jesus it's so cute I must have this
>Never browsed /cgl/
>Order dress and shoes
>From milanoo
>Start browsing /cgl/

WHOOPS

>>7360192
I've heard their shoes are fine because they come from other brands, so at least you have that.
And you never know, sometimes people get okay things from Milanoo. There's always a chance, Anon. (And even though you're more likely to get a piece of crap, you could probably sell it on he FB Comm Sales to some ita.)

>>7360192
It's okay, hon, that's exactly what I did as well.

>>7357219
What a fucking psycho. Glad you left that trash on the sidewalk anon.

>>7358782
Ohmygosh, he is super kawaii. I love that OP!

how big is too big for Brolita?

>>7367196
about 9 inches

TFW have beautiful drag queen/trap bestie who knows what lolita fashion -is-, but not really anything too deep into it, but still you desperately want to twin with him

>>7358782
Uwahhh what a qt 3.14!

I absolutely love brolitas and think its great to see men interested in a fashion that is geared towards women. I love men's suits and vests, so I think it's really great to see this.
The only sadness i have is when I meet brolitas and they're actually trans like pastel puke is. I mean, I want to meet men into Lolita, not ...men taking hormones to be female.

Makes me sigh. My favorite female cross players seem to be trans too. What's with all the trans people lately? Why can't you like something without wanting to switch sexes?

>>7357085
Splendora's the only Russian brolita I know of

>>7367294
Yes. That's the one I was trying to think of. Thank you.

>>7367311

>>7367311

I love this threads

>>7367323
Ah, such a soft look, very nice.

>>7367329

>>7367329
Yep, this is what comes to mind when I think 'brolita'. There is a french person who is on hormones as well Sugar Rose is their blog but since transitioning, not correct to say 'brolita' for them, I think?

>>7367281
Cis-het(is that the term for someone who wants to use the tool they were born with on someone who has the complimenting set?) aspiring brolita here. We're all gonna make it.

>What's with all the trans people lately? Why can't you like something without wanting to switch sexes?
I don't think something as extreme as sensitivity training is in order, but something sure is. Coming from someone who finds tumblr-esque SJWanking really annoying, I can say your post makes you sound a bit like an ignant bitch.
For all I know you could have meant something like:
>Why can't I find actual brolitas? Every time I think I've found one they happen to be transgender. I have no problem with them being trans, I'm just a bit disheartened because I thought I had a chance of meeting a brolita."
(Remember, if they're trans women they identify as female, and thus bro- just becomes the regular lo-)
On the internet, no one really knows what your tone is, or if you have an accent that hints at the fact that maybe English isn't your first language.
>I can't be the only one who cuts a guy some slack on their conversational english skills if an accent is heard.

>>7367339
Sorry for posting him only, unfortunately he is only one descent brolita in my packs

>>7367348

>>7367352
Mmm yep! Puts so many ita girls to shame with makeup and coords, details, fit, styling. Oh my yes.

>>7367361
Not really on topic, but I have to ask if any of you actually find him attractive "in that way". Or even just that aesthetic on someone. I'm talking separate from your opinions on his lolita skills. Also, would knowing someone first as a brolita make you think twice before approaching them with the intention of dating?

>>7367374
I'm a hetero female but no? I'm not attracted to cross dressing males as a sexual thing though I doubt I'd have any objection to a man I was attracted to dressing up. I more appreciate the aesthetic but otoh, I really do like to see well turned out brolitas. I'm not sure how it would affect my attraction for them if I knew them as a brolita first, more to do with the chemistry than what they wore I suspect, same as usual for me.

>>7356643
I'd be your boyfriend anon ;3

>>7367329
>>7367339
So cute!

>>7356657
> mfw as a girl with a b cup. I wear a sports bra and get this boob look sometimes if it's not quite compressing enough.

>>7367374

I would, but I've always wondered if any brolita I meet is actually gay or figuring out some gender trans shit, so I usually talk myself down from getting all hyped up over them.

And if the brolita outs himself as straight and liking girls as well as girly stuff on first meeting he comes across as a frill fetishist, so I keep my distance from that too.

There's no way to win man, sad feels.

>>7367434
This. I want a heterosexual man genuinely into Lolita fashion, not a trans/ transitioning or maybe not sure person.

>mfw where are all my qt 3.14 straight traps?

>>7367434
>>7367446
>>7367446
tfw love girly dresses and stuff but too masculine to wear them, as in football and Rugby player 6'5 240 too masculine. Do I have any hope in finding Lolita stuff? Chest is 47 inches, and that's been the hardest part for me as far as dresses and stuff goes. hips and waist are 34/32.

>>7356987
It's kinda rude to keep calling him a he, but whatever

>>7367281
oh..ok,

>>7360192
Power to you anon! At least you know now.

>>7367281
That's funny because I dislike it when I see manly fuckers trying to be feminine. If you truly wish to attract males, you gotta take the hormones.

>>7358782
Pretty sure this is sarcastic.

>>7357288
he's got an insane amount of shoop, you'd have to be blind or retarded not to notice it

Alright, I've loved Lolita style clothing for a long time now and I'm a small, scrawny dude who could probably fit this style pretty well. I also have hardly ever lurked /cgl/ and this is my first ever post here.
To hurry to my point, how can I become a good brolita?

>>7367446

I'm straight and I have to admit it'd be really fun to have a lolita girlfriend to twin with.

>>7367937

Being a /fit/ bro with a soccer player build I'm trying to do more cardio so brand lolita dresses/JSK's can fit and look better. Have you thought about looking at places like fanplusfriend for made to size stuff? I'm thinking about sourcing my blouses from them.

>>7367329
>>7367311
>>7367339
>>7367348
He's beautiful. Dear lord, I'm mad jelly.

>>7368688
By being a good lolita.
You seriously don't have to worry that much, just learn basic makeup that soften your face and make it more round and feminine, buy some good wigs, wear hight collar to conceal your Adam's apple, find the good sleeve shape to make your shoulders smaller, wear small heels to make your legs more feminine (and don't forget to shave)

And all the rest is about coordinating clothes, exactly as the next lolita.

>>7369510
Fan+friends tend to fuck up their made to order stuff, you could also ask indie brands, both western and taobao

>>7369520
>wear hight collar to conceal your Adam's apple
Why should he, though? If you're not trying to "pass" (as in: tricking people into genuinely believing he is a female) as female there's no point in hiding it. It doesn't clash with the clothes, either (like a manly face would).

>>7356869
this is an argument for both sexes.

>>7369528
Lolita is feminine, it's better to try to 'pass' or it'll clash with the overall aesthetic. Mind that he is not bound to do it, but it may be a lot better. If he doesn't have proemninet adam's apple, he can wear whatever he want tought.

>>7369557
I just don't see it as a masculine characteristic, even though only men have them. Might have something to do with my not noticing them until I was around 18, hm...

>>7369572
Women have adam's apples too. Some even have pronounced ones (and I'm referring to cis women)

here is a dutch brolita at some kind of lolita gathering.

We have the dolldelight brolita.

>>7369954
If that was a girl, I 'd have howled at the legs. Because it's a guy, I growled instead.
So jelly...

Also, it might just be the contrast of my screen, that rose(?) on her head looks like poop. I'd have put one that a matching colour to the roses in the print. I can't personally call it _really_ pretty because that print is too busy for me. The amount of roses and their placement is toeing in to tablecloth territory. What I can say is that it's pretty enough that beats a lot of attempts at wa that I see. If this was a gambit, I'd say it paid off quite well.

>>7370036
it's not the contrast of your screen, but it is a rose. same one on my back, but 3 times the size. ;)
it's hate it or love it about prints ad I love it, no hard feelings.
Feeling happy in these clothes and not afraid in public. The benelux lolita community (almost all girls accept me and 1 other) accepted me and hang out lots of times.
Funniest part is when people really have to ask if i am a boy or girl, those faces are so adorables of the girls who do that. but getting annoyed that most of the people assume you are gay. But I am just a straight boy who likes lolita dresses and not afraid to show it, so I walked a fashion show. hihi

>>7369510
>>7367937
I also have a 47" bust, but as I am female I have a few options on how to deal with that... however I'm assuming you have defined pectorals that can be squished some? try the dresses with full shirring that say they're up to 115cm and wear a simple waist cinching corset to squish your muscles down the 5cm's needed. DO NOT TIGHT LACE YOU'LL FUCK UP YOUR RIBS <--- this for everyone. Breath through your stomach like a singer and you'll be fine.

>>7370509
>>7369954
wow bitch please learn how to lolita, this looks whorish and trashy. you're definitely missing some major points about the aesthetic.

>>7370509
BeNeLux has all one comm? I live in the US and that fascinates me. Your countries are so small, so close together, and have such good relations that you can have one comm split across three countries... you can barely have 2 comms in the same city here without fighting lol.

>>7356625
I've never understood the big deal with brolitas.

Oh, a man is into the fashion, they're suddenly so much greater than the women who are into it! [or so much worse than the women who are into it and also terrible at it]

It's like how everyone freaks out about how great transvestites are.
They're just dudes in dresses, get over it. I'm so tired of things suddenly being validated when men do it. Lolita was cool without men and it's cool with men. What's the big deal?

Brolitas are just like other lolitas. Some of them are shitty itas, others are beautiful. They're no different from other lolitas except that they have penises.

>>7356625
No and thank god, too. I think that they're annoying and desperate attention whores who need to feel special wearing clothing designed with women in mind. They always seem like they're going through fucking phases from what I see on threads/blogs, too. Lord knows you won't be wearing this shit when you're old, balding, and ready for your prostate exam. Just goes to show that the only motive is to garner attention for being 3edgy5me for dressing up like a girl.

I prefer being around other lolitas without a single brolita in sight. Thanks.

>>7370689
the hypocrisy good lawd

>>7370683
>except that they have penises.

which is different enough for some people that they may feel uncomfortable appreciating an outfit knowing there's a dangle under the petticoat. tbh i don't like "brolita" as a term either but it can be an important distinction for some, and if posters want to have a thread centred around male lolis to keep it out of the way of the female lolis with more delicate constitutions, then so be it.

there are also differences in fit/construction and choosing flattering clothes for the male body, and make up skills required to appropriately feminise male features, so making a space specifically tailored to those kinds of discussions can be useful.

>>7370689
You know, guys didn't choose to be guys. Some guys have a very real need to pretty themselves up. What's the harm?

>secretely caught my bf wearing one of my dresses
>suggested one time that i could dress him up
>he got super bashful and defensive
I'll get him one of these days...
>

>>7370689
this.
i dont have a problem with guys in dresses, but stay far away from me. its embarrassing.

>>7370689
>Lord knows you won't be wearing this shit when you're old, balding, and ready for your prostate exam.

>>7370703
You know, people didn't choose to be born, so why don't they just kill themselves?

>>7370703
>guys didn't choose to be guys

You can get right the fuck out of here with your Tumblr trans bullshit. Obviously, nobody chose their fucking gender, but guess what? The rest of the world doesn't need you ruining things that you don't even have a place in. If you want to be a bitch so badly, get the therapy and treatment and surgery and commit. Doing the indecisive fucking shit of hopping around as a guy in a dress is embarrassing to everyone, minus the fat acne ridden Amerifat lolis who will squee at the kawaii that isn't there.

>>7370689
At least you're blunt about it, they're feminine in more ways than one.

>>7370723
Oh, I'm very much aware and it's yet another reason why I don't care for them or plenty of men who don't bother to go through with any gender reassignment, yet continue to wear make up and try to be women. They act as if they're ~*entitled*~ to acting catty towards others simply because they're wearing make up and heels and a dress, coupled with a shitty wig reminiscent of 70s Barbara Streisand. It's like, sorry that your masculine ass is mad that I have a vagina and you don't?

>>7370722
>confusing transpeople with people who just like wearing pretty dresses

"Indecisive fucking shit" is the last thing I'd call a man wearing his dresses. Because that's what brolitas are. MEN, wearing feminine clothes. If they were MtF they wouldn't be "bro"litas, they'd be regular old female lolitas.

"Guys didn't choose to be guys" applies here because people flip their shit over guys wearing dresses. They didn't choose to have the clothing interests that they do, and they didn't choose to live in a society that demonises them for it. It's not trans logic, it applies to all people, cis/trans and otherwise, who like to muddle the lines of femininity and masculinity.

>>7370689

Brolitas are always ready for a prostate exam, if you know what I mean.

>>7370729
You're the one who's mad and catty...

Why are you guys so defensive and territorial? If a guy wants to wear a dress and pulls it off, it literally hurts no one.

>>7370733
most of them dont pull it off

>>7370738
Most girls don't pull off lolita either

>>7370731
>recites all of the standard Tumblr-tier shit perfectly
>expects to be taken seriously now

Please go make a blog post now about how I'm oppressing you because I said you look stupid and unattractive in women's clothing. You know, clothing that wasn't made with you in mind period.

>>7370733
>ITS NOT HARMING U THEREFORE U CANT BE MAD XDDDDDD

What is annoying.

The fact that you defaulted to such fucking basic reasoning as that shows that we aren't going to get anywhere with this conversation. Oh, what it must be like to not understand that people get annoyed and bothered by different shit and *GASP* not all of those things do harm to people!

Please take your passive apathy bullshit somewhere else.

>>7370742
THIS.
Although a lot of people who call themselves "brolitas" really do not give a fuck and look like garbage because they don't know shit about what lolita is really about.

>>7370742
thats true, but a brolitas attempt is usually much worse than the average girls.

>>7370742
I've seen more women pull of lolita than men. That doesn't exclude the obvious, Japanese girls who are practically built for the role.

>>7370751
>You know, clothing that wasn't made with you in mind period.

tbh, if you're boyish looking and don't have a muscley manbody/face you should look fine in lolita, just like an ugly girl. having a flat chest is very lolita, and the dresses cut out a figure for you, so it's not like curves are needed for most dresses.

>>7370758
More women pull it off because way more women are going to participate obviously.
Most men don't care about fashion to begin with and they're even less likely to wear something that's obscure, girly, expensive, and not in western sizes.

>>7370762
By your logic, a woman should walk into a Joe A. Bank and buy a suit that was designed for a man's body. I should also expect Bishonen wannabe little shits in Nordstrom when I'm shopping for my lingerie.

>>7370762
Yeah, bust or curves aren't that important when it comes to lolita dresses, but they aren't made for man wide shoulders either.

>>7370766
>the gender that this was designed for only pulls off the clothing because more of them wear it

Your logic is as retarded as saying that only women can pull off bras because more of them wear them compared to men.

Again, please go back to Tumblr with your stupid shit.

>>7370773
at least you'll never see a man loli with boob loaf. you win some you lose some.

>>7370776
more men pull off bras better than women...?

>>7370784
Can you read?

I don't think you can.

>>7370787
>as retarded as saying that only women can pull off bras

>>7370784
According to anon, women only pull off lolita because they wear it more than men do. That's an assbackwards logic. More women pull the fashion off because it's a fucking feminine thing. Not all of them do, but there are plenty who don't look like the basic bitch brolitas I've had the misfortune of seeing.

But, hey, what do I know. Let's start dressing men in clothes from Gymboree, because by anon's logic, only children pull off children's clothing because they're the only ones wearing it!

>>7370776
>>7370771
bras are designed specifically to hold up tits and keep them where you want them, your argument is stupid. lolita dresses particularly have very little to do with your body shape, and are generally pretty flattering on less curvacious figures.

What drag queen decked you in the face for you to be this butthurt?

>>7370509
Can you be my friend please?
I usually don't assume sexuality based on clothing because that's idiotic. It's nice to see some straight men into Lolita fashion though.

>>7370723
>they're feminine in more ways than one
Is.. that bad? I'm not into brolita or anything but I've always been told I look like a girl (not in a positive way) and it's made me very self-conscious so I started working out and whatever.

>>7370793
Do you not grasp the English language? People can "pull off" a great himegyaru look, they can "pull off" a scene kid look, they can pull off various looks. Its not literally pulling it off, its a slangish term to say they can do it well. Thus, men pulling off bras is retarded because they don't have well shaped breasts to be cupped.

>>7370815
You should look up a poster from /fit/ named pyramidhead.

Also stop being a huge bitch.

>>7370802
>implying that drag queens can't just have obnoxious and off-putting personalities

God forbid someone doesn't like something that you like. It MUST mean that something dramatic happened. One can't just be put off by one's personality or manner in which they carry themselves. I forgot that on the internet nobody was allowed to vehemently dislike something without this big, dramatic ass origin story to back it up. Just as I've seem to have forgotten that the lelydoucaerXDDD 14 year old logic is still carelessly tossed about when no other legitimate response can be bothered to be given.

I could say the same towards your arguments. Women flatter dresses more than men do. So sorry that I don't find LELAMGSOTABOONKAWAIIXDDDD as something that needs to be glorified.

I love that the moment I posted my opinion, the true nature and attention seeking bitchery came out of the wood work, though.

>as men we dun curr bout lookin gud hurr
>UM WE LOOK BETTUR DAN WOMEN DO

>>7370802
>broad shoulders in lolita
No. Not even for girls.

>>7370819
Who are you trying to convince your voracious cunt?

This is a thread about brolitas. Don't like them? Just hide the fucking thread.

>>7370818
>doesn't understand what "pulls off" is
>explains it
>calls explainer a huge bitch

You're just embarrassed about being a retard.

>>7370818
You should learn some English before coming on an English board for English people such as my English self.

Also go learn some English.

>>7370822
I understand what pull off means. I didn't understand their reasoning behind saying it was "retarded" to say more women pull them off than men.

but yeah I agree you're still a piece of shit.

>>7370818
>one or a few people on an internet message board speaks for the entire population of males on Earth

Go kill yourself. You're such shit at arguing.

>>7370834
Because its literally retarded, and you're retarded.

>>7370823
I wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything. I was asked to elaborate and I did. A question was asked. An answer was just given. That's how it fucking works, dipshit.

I knew that you'd backpeddle to the fucking last resort rebuttal of AMGYDIDUPOST when you had nothing else. Jesus fucking, how typical. It's a thread. I'm allowed to have an opinion, as obnoxious as it is, and I'm allowed to fucking post it so long as I'm not breaking any site rules. This seems to be such a new fucking concept to you. How long have you even fucking been around?

>>7370839
>>7370835
now you just sound like a sandy cunt. Go have a bath and come back when you've rinsed, please.

>>7370834
Because it was DESIGNED FOR WOMEN in the first place, thus saying "they pull it off better" is stupid and redundant, because it was made specifically with women in mind, thus retarded. Why do I even need to explain this to you?

>>7370839
>being sent into an emotional boiling rage a the very idea that a person in pink frills could have different DNA than you

what the actual shit

>>7370845
>resorts to shitposting

Sounds about right, for ladies.

>>7370842
And, you don't? You're the one who actually said that the sole reason why lolita fashion is pulled off by women is because more women wear it than men do. That in itself is beyond fucking retarded. It's like saying that children only pull off children's clothing because grown men and women aren't wearing it or that women only pull off things like elaborate lingerie and negligee because they wear those more than men do.

I'm sorry, truly, that you have your head so far up your ass and are THIS stuck in Tumblrland where everyone kisses your ass and glorifies you and makes you feel special for something that thousands of others do on a regular basis. And, yet, you give me an attitude and wonder why I wrote what I did about attention seeking and obnoxious, entitled attitudes of men who wear women's clothing. You expect a Nobel Prize and a personal handshake from the UN or some shit for something that isn't an accomplishment by any means and you certainly don't look drag race fabulous, sorry to jostle that oh so delicate trigger bubble of yours. I totally must be oppressing you because I called you out on being a hypocritical shit. Again:

>men wear lolita not giving a shit what they look like
>opinion is posted
>goes into shitting rage about how men can pull it off and women can't

You're the one in dire need of a cold shower. Wake the fuck up.

>>7370855
I'm literally not that anon but it's ok, obviously you spent a very long time typing that reply I didn't even read, and missed half the thread.

So do the brolita-haters in this thread find female itas more palatable than well-dressed brolitas, simply because they're biologically female and therefore ~better suited~ to the fashion regardless of how horribly they fuck it up? Because that's what I'm getting out of this.

>>7370864
No, I don't. I've been in my share of Ita threads and am happy to contribute the shit-tier that I find. I like being around other women who know what they're doing and don't look like fat pieces of shit. The same applies to an attention whore who wants to show up in lolita and feel special because he's got a dick stashed under his dress.

>>7367446
>tfw bi trap

>>7370863
>still shitposting

>>7370811
Society teaches men that being compared to a woman is the worst insult. Please don't let that bullshit get to you.

>>7370868
I'm bi too. I lean way more towards women, but I like fem looking boys too.

Hello there ~

>>7370960
do you have a skype or something?

>>7370978
Burntfishnchips
Also same name as above at gmail dot com

>>7370995
added you :3

I'm a femanon
who wanna be a boy
just to be a cute cross dressing twink uke desu
what do i do /cgl/-tan?

>>7370855
omg bitch you really do not understand what I initially meant.
most brolitas look like ita shit because there are so few of them, and generally men don't care about fashion/know about it even and are just like durhurr ima lolita.
meanwhile, there are tons of girls into lolita fashion who are already into looking nice to begin with.
you need to like calm the fuck down omg.

>>7371011
Great. I'll be up til 2 am (est)

>>7371038
Sometimes, I like to think that these two bitches fighting each other end up becoming best friends one day.. and then one day one of them brings up this thread..

It's like a perfect Lifetime movie in my head.

>>7370866
>implying males can't have a legitimate interest in the fashion

mana-sama has shunned you

>>7370706
This man is super kawaii and I love him to bits.

>>7370751
>says "U R SJW, GTFO" instead of criticizing someone's arguments
>expects to be taken seriously
>believes women's clothes were designed with women in mind and didn't just develop into what they are today

Men used to wear heels
All kids used to wear dresses
There is zero logical reason for men not to be allowed to wear women's clothing (as long as they fit) and vice-versa.

>>7356691
>no adam's apple

fuck off let's trade i'm female and have the rock of gibraltar jutting out from my neck

I am a new brolita just starting out. I've found a good jumperskirt, but I have broad shoulders (45 cm/18 inches) and I can't find a blouse that isn't built for tiny 13 inch shoulders. Any suggestions on where to find something/what to do?

As a straight guy who wants to get in on this fashion, I've got a game plan in mind.

I'd fill a tumblr blog with pictures of me wearing only Elite Seagull Certified coords with full makeup and professionally styled wigs only. Anything and everything that can be scrutinized without revealing my identity will be shoved through crucible of /cgl/. Every minute detail. I'll get anyone I can trust to review my facial makeup before each shoot, whether some anon from here who can keep a secret or the third-closest pharmacy beautician. Hell, I'll even use a DSLR camera and I'll tell the touch-up guy to only edit it for clarity so people know I ain't hiding shit.(I fucking hate contrast and balancing abuse. Are some of you keeping your print a fucking secret? Just so it'll take an extra 3 seconds to find out the fact you can't iron shit?). I'll post videos of me in them if people need that much proof. I'll use a program to modulate my voice in them, or even learn how to talk chick the hard way. I'll do this for like 3 months, trying to have a regular posting sched.
Once I've established an ehh~presence online, I'll try to join my local comm with all that backup. I'll arrive just a bit later than everyone to the meet.
When I greet everyone at that meet it'll be the first time I introduce myself as male in the fashion.
>I know it's just a pipe dream, but at least I'm thinking ahead, right?
I just want to see a wave of "Wait, really?" on the internet.
Always remember kids:
"There are no boys in lolita."

>>7371088
[citation needed]

>>7370948
Looking at this thread, and the replies to the long detailed posts someone has posted, I don't wonder why at all.

>>7371275
>>>r9k pls go

>>7371271

Not that guy, but history can be pretty cool sometimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeching_%28boys%29

>>7370543

Great, thanks for the advice! I wouldn't say I have overly broad shoulders (I wear a lot of small sized shirts), but the one brand blouse I own is laughably small on me. What's the difference between partial shirring and full shirring? I bought the btssb lucky pack set and thankfully being V shaped, the waist size wasn't a problem at all.

>>7371188

I'm not going to that extreme, but I am trying my best to pull off a good coord. Reading /cgl/ has been pretty good as a style book to see what works and what doesn't. Apparently my local comm (SF) is pretty cool with brolitas. I also am portioning out 25 Dollars a week to separate bank account so I can buy more brand.

>>7371280
Are you blind or what? You can literally see it for yourself. You can see drama mongering in any thread too.

>>7371310
Didn't know one culture meant the entirety of humanity. Alrighty then.

Oh, maybe women should go back to being housewives and nothing more, maybe we should still lynch people, can't be picky about what you want from the past.

>>7370669

>>7371483

>One culture
>Page showcases breeching in America, Britain, Spain, Germany, Denmark, and France

Dis nigga.

>>7371505
White culture.

>>7371507

>Japan
>Men wore Hakama and Yukata, but Hakama's male exclusitivity is now enjoyed by females too

>China
>Changshan (female version of Cheongsam), Zhiduo, and Daopao

>>7371505
>im still being picky about what i want from the past back.

Don't be a picky cunt.

>>7371548
The point is
>anon said "womens clothes are designed with women in mind"
>other anon said "they aren't, they used to be worn by males too"
>instead of attacking the point made, another anon chimes in with IT'S IN THE PAST, WE EVOLVED, ACCEPT THINGS AS THEY ARE NOW INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CHANGE THEM

Funny to read what the haters say.
Keep in mind, if you are hating this brolita thing and don't want something to do with it, why reading this whole page and make a comment? Seems like they have interrest in it deep down in some way.

for the ones who say that times has changed and just go with the flow with what most of people think is normal dressing. You are all sheep who do not dare to make your own dissisions of living.

To the ones who are discussing about that boy's/men can or can't pull it off. there are indeed ones that take it simple and just do it for attention and can't pull it off. But there are also ones that have there mind to the fashion and put lots of effort in it. We all have our thing we like and it's only said it is for a specific genre by the herd of sheep that follow someone who said that. People just live as you want to live. no one is completely the same.

>>7356975
... That's Kuuroshitsuji cosplay. In fact, it's the single most overdone Kuroshitsuji cosplay.

And if it wasn't, it would be ita as sin.

Wow, I'm gone for a day and the thread devolves to shitposting and constant arguing. Kudos to that one guy who saw a thread about brolita, then decided "Hey, I should go bitch about how I don't like this thing in a thread where everybody likes that thing. That should get their panties in a twist!" News flash, dudes can like wearing dresses and such without being huge attention whores or 'tumblr SJW'.

Or, if we can get the thread back on track, then can someone tell an aspiring brolita how to sound more feminine?

>>7371914
that depends on how deep your voice is right now. mine isn't too deep so with a bit of pitch adjusting and practice, i can sound pretty okay.
there are also some exercises you can do to help you adjust your pitch, but once again it depends on how deep your voice is.
you might wanna look up some youtube videos on voice adjusting, those might help. but you also need to practice every day, you'll get the hang of it eventually.

>>7371921
How do you measure how deep your voice is? The only thing I can think of is that I was the deepest voice in choir class back in middle school. Some people say I sound like the singer from Breaking Benjamin, so let's say I'm around that level, if not a bit deeper.

>>7371933
you can always record your voice and listen, adjust pitch and record again. listening to yourself helps a lot, specially if you sort of have a voice pitch in mind.
it also helps if you have someone else who is willing to help you, they can do the listening for you.
you're still gonna need the pitch adjusting exercises, though, specially since you've told me that you were the deepest voice in the choir.

>>7358245
I'd read a comic about you guys.

>>7371921

This is something I need to work on as well.

Also damn straight about all the hate for brolitas. I hate to say it but I definitely want to prove all of the haters for brolitas (Which I find ironic in regards to Mana) wrong.

> tfw you're voice sounds like your stereotypical Norcal stoner/surfer

>>7371949
>wanting to prove brolita haters wrong
that seems like a waste of energy, frillbro

>>7371937
Alright, thanks for the help. Have a long ways to go now, but at least I have the basics of what might be a plan.

>>7371949
Have you ever dabbled in accents? I've found that if you keep speaking in different stereotypical accents like British, German or French, you should be able to manipulate the way your voice sounds a lot easier. Pronunciation wise, not pitch.

>>7371559
It's like taking quote from 3 different arguments. Fucked up.

I want to learn how to make a more feminine voice but
>hates hearing the sound of own voice.

Gonna have to work through it, though, not around it. Maybe time for a Vocaroo field testing thread.

>>7371051
And just like that this became the best thread ever. Thanks anon, it really is a beautiful movie.

>>7371949
You have to remember that it's not just one group of people who have a negative view of brolitas. It's why >>7371961 happened, and why it's hard to argue about it.

>>7371438
Measure yourself shoulder to shoulder and buy from taobao or fanplusfriend. I happen to have the same problem too and finding a brand shirt with 40cm shoulder that is also 120cm bust is almost impossible without special order.
As for your full shirring question: most brands have some sort of shirring in the back. You'll see things like No shirring, partial shirring, full back shirring and full shirring in the dress description ((I recommend looking them up on Lolibrary too)) the full shirring has it in front and back all over the torso area and its really what you want to find because of your bust. Anything should fit you just fine in the waist because of most of them having corset ties. Happy hunting, oh and the taobao you wouldn't need to do anything for because they can custom make it to your size, but take a crap load of your measurements, including how big your biceps are flexed so it's more comfortable.

>>7371559
The point is, don't be a picky cunt.

"o-oh I LOVE lolitas, but I only like milanoo, everything else sucks :3"

>all these sjw acting high and mighty even though all they're doing is adding fuel to the fire and forcing the thread to go off topic

Laughable, truly.

How often do brolitas usually selfpost on /cgl/ (in like coord critique/selfpost/draw/whatever threads)?

>>7370509
Invest in some better dresses. This looks like a cheap ebay dress.

>>7372748
It was the first one i got, from milanoo, not totally what i ordered. but got new ones, a metamorphose and a bodyline dress.

>>7373148
You never get what you order from Milanoo but at least you learned your lesson?

>implying you wouldn't fuck a brolita in his tight boypussy

>>7372398
80 percent of brolita posts are from brolitas.

Why don't we call them what they are?

Drag queens.