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I was thinking, have we ever tried to contact the 2chan lolitas to talk to them? It would be interesting if we could, as a community, ask them some questions.

We could ask them stuff like which brands are the most popular in Japan, how they feel about foreign lolitas, what lolita comms are like in Japan, ect. In return we could answer any questions they had.

All we would need is some translators and a consensus on what to ask them. 2chan blocks outside of Japan IPs, but there are many proxies available.

Is anyone interested in trying it out?

>> No.7670227

I'd be interested, though I wonder who would moderate the exchange.

>> No.7670240

Does 2chan even have a board for EGL?

>> No.7670244

>>7670227
OP here, I wouldn't mind moderating it, but my Japanese is sketchy at best so I would be reliant on the translators for a lot of help.

>> No.7670253

>>7670240
They don't have a board I think, but they are certainly there. I've seen a lot of archived 2chan lolita threads and a few translations, so they've gotta be in there somewhere.
I think they usually set up a lolita general and just chat in it.

>> No.7670395

I have N3 knowledge in japanese so I could help with some translation, but it would be a great idea i think.

>> No.7670398

I'm kinda good with japanese, i might be able to help a little. this sounds fun!

>> No.7670468

I think it's a really cool idea! I wonder how they will react haha.
I think the starting questions are good. I would also like to hear about current trends in Japan, or maybe projected future trends if you all feel the current trends are obvious anyway.
I'd be curious if lolitas in Japan quit or move to classic at a certain age.
Maybe some of this is already known idk.

>> No.7670479

Sounds great! It would be pretty nice to know what being a lolita in Japan is like and all.
I wonder if the lolitas there are as bitchy as the lolitas on /cgl/

>> No.7670500

It's a cool idea, but I don't know how it would really work, unless your translators were in Japan or had good private proxies. 2chan blocks all public proxies.
Also, in all of my interested browsing, I've never come across a lolita thread, despite my pretty decent Japanese. I know they do pop up, but how do you propose we scout one out?

>> No.7670517

>>7670479
They are. There is a translated thread here:
http://www.lerman.biz/asagao/gothic_lolita/research5.html

I'm really interested in this! My Japanese is shit, but I'd love to know what they say.

>> No.7670535

OK since this is generating some interest (yay!) I guess I really will become the moderator, since this seems like a real project.

It seems this will have to be how we do it;
>Find translators
>Find lolita who lives in Japan.
>Come up with questions
>Locate where the hell the lolitas in Japan actually post on 2chan. (Maybe post test threads to lure them out on various boards.)
>Have the translators work on typing actual content, then sending it to the Japan loli, who in turn posts it. Outside translators can view content by using public proxies.
>Translators translate and post results here.

It wouldn't be easy, but it'd be doable.

>> No.7670538

>>7670535
How soon do you all want to do this? I start working in Japan at the end of August and have decent (N2+ level) Japanese and am somewhat familiar with internet slang. I'd be willing to help.

>> No.7670539

>>7670535
Surely someone here lives in Japan? I think even ifwinterends talked about lolita threads on 2chan once, it's not impossible

>> No.7670543

>>7670538
First of all, thank you for your offer of help! If your level of Japanese is N2+, then you would be a great translator!
Let's see if anyone is living in Japan already, first, and if not, then we can wait until August and you can be the Japan loli.

>> No.7670554

Everyone, feel free to post questions you would like to ask the Japanese lolitas here. I will read through them, and if I see repeating ones or ones that are particularly interesting/relevant, I'll add them to the list of things to be asked.

When it gets closer to the time to actually post on 2chan, I'll post the list here and we can see if there's anything missing.

Let's try and keep these questions friendly and on topic, OK? Stick to questions about lolita, avoid questions that might make them uncomfortable. We don't want to be the impolite gaijin who raid 2chan.

>> No.7670555

>>7670517
>mfw they're as bitchy as us if not worse

>> No.7670570

I want to hear from/about Japanese fatties who wear lolita or other alternative fashion.

>> No.7670574

>>7670570
Me too!!
I'm considered chubby in Japan even though I'm skinny/average in Europe. Are they as judgemental on your weight when you aren't Japanese?

>> No.7670576

I would like to ask if many Japanese lolitas are what we call "lifestyle" lolitas. Reading about the "shimotsuma lolita" it seems as though they have feelings similar to ours toward those kind of girls.

>> No.7670580
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>>7670574
Yes, as they should be. Fat acceptance is gross.
You'll have more luck searching on terms like "Marshmellow girls" when looking into the japanese fat culture. It's their varation of the western "curvy" excuse.

>> No.7670583

>>7670574
Probably worse! I'd like to hear from fatties who stick with lolita despite the disapproval. I also want to know if there are any Japanese fatties who are considered successful lolitas.

>> No.7670587

>>7670580
No one's interested in an argument about fat acceptance, we just want to hear a fat lolita talk about being a fat lolita. Keep scrolling if you're not interested.

>> No.7670598

OK I will add a questions about fat lolitas.

Do not turn this thread into a place to argue about Japanese aesthetic values in terms of BMI, please. And do not turn this thread into an argument about fat acceptance, please. No one wants to scroll through all that.

If all goes well we'll be hearing directly from the J-lolitas themselves, so there's no point arguing about it now!

>> No.7670600

>>7670598
*add questions.

Sorry if that was confusing.

>> No.7670616

>>7670598
Thank you modchan. Would you please be a lamb and ask how do they see us western (America AND Europe,...) lolitas? What do they find ugly too in general? Physically or in-lolita

>> No.7670629

I heard that the 2ch lolitas don't like foreign girls snatching up the highly sought after pieces because they want them to stay in the Japanese market only.

>> No.7670640

I honestly just want to hear the general things asked about every lolita. When did you start, whats your favorite brand etc. A specific one is what are their thoughts on Misako.

>> No.7670645

I really like this idea. I live in Japan and I can help translate but I don't want to be your 2chan poster since I don't feel like committing to that. It's morning in Japan now so I'm sure someone will respond soon or maybe evening in Japan time.

>> No.7670646

By the way, just because I don't respond to you doesn't mean your question isn't being added!
I'm reading them all carefully, so don't worry!

>> No.7670650

>>7670645
Thank you very much for offering to help! The more translators, the better!

>> No.7670692

>>7670517
Lol the go buy bodyline part. It's like recommending Boku no Pico to people who are looking for anime.

>> No.7670700

>>7670640
Yeah I'd love to hear what they think about the lolita models like Misako, Midori, Akira, Kimura U, Rin Rin, etc.

>> No.7670720

>>7670517
>http://www.lerman.biz/asagao/gothic_lolita/research5.html
bodyline is like milanoo to them amazing

>> No.7670725

>>7670640
Yeah, I think these would be interesting things to ask!

>> No.7670727
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7670727

Ask if anyone has ever seen Misako make a facial expression besides pic related.

>> No.7670731

>>7670727
yes >>7662758

>> No.7670810

>>7670720
That's REALLY old. From back in the days when body line had a horrible rep. Even in the western comm it was that way, back then.

>> No.7670816

>>7670810
With good reason. Buying from Bodyline at that time would be like buying lolita from Leg Avenue. They were a costume/fetish lingerie company.

>> No.7670830

I'll add a question about Bodyline, to see what they think of it now.

>> No.7670896
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7670896

What jobs do lolitas there have? What do they wear outside of lolita? What are their spending habits? What do they think of the wig trend, if it ever really took off there?
>>7670727
Brilliant!

>> No.7671025

>>7670535
modchan, do you have a throwaway email? I wanted to forward you some names...

>> No.7671031

>>7671025
>Clockworkfail@gmail.com

>> No.7671109

>>7670896
Nice image.

>> No.7671246

what are their opinions on fat people wearing brand? Do they think the shift in the brands trying to appeal to the western market and the larger sizes has negatively impacted their clothing selection?
Do they sell on mbok or y!japan, and actively not sell to gaijin? If so, why?

>> No.7671256

I'll be interested to see what they make of this endeavor but not surprised if there's little to no interest in answering gaijin Lolitas' questions.

>> No.7671272

>>7670580
Question is, what if you're thin by asian standards, but a white girl?

So tall but thin and white.

Do they still just hate us all?

>> No.7671273

>>7671256
honeslty could just kind of make it a vague post, like the OP is a super newbie and has a bunch of questions, not saying anything about it being for westerners. or they could even say they just moved to japan and want to make sure they are following the rules/cultural tones properly since they are used to western lolita culture

>> No.7671274

>>7670830
where is the thread/

>> No.7671278

>>7671272
I don't think they hate us, I just don't think they are very interested in western Lolitas in general or have that much opinion one way of another about anything to do with us. It will be interesting to see if this is true or not though...

>> No.7671279

>>7671273
I think that has a chance of getting a better response, honestly.

>> No.7671330

>>7671273
I think this might actually have less of a chance of getting response and more of a chance of negative feedback, the same way a noob posting a ton of FAQ questions here would.

That being said, if it doesn't work out, we can try this later! Let's try being honest before we trick them, though.

>> No.7671335

>>7670583
I'm a fattie and I stick with it. It helps to gave a really awesome supportive comm.

>> No.7671338
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7671338

I saw quite a few plus size lolitas in Japan, heck, even the shop girl at Innocent world in Harajuku was plus sized (and not just asian chubby, actually plus sized)
I wonder if it's more accepted than in western culture.

>> No.7671339

>>7671278
It will probably be a mixed bag of disinterest, hatred, and then some lolis who are actually excited to answer.

To think they'll all be delighted to answer our questions is naive, but that not even one would do it is awfully cynical.

We've got to hold out hope we'll get some answers!

>> No.7671340

>>7670517
omg it's like cgl but worse. fascinating....

>> No.7671341

We could always ask a certain wintery Lolita who lives there, though oddly even with her being such a burando-chan she doesn't seem to mix with local Lolitas...I wonder why that is?

>> No.7671346

>>7671339
I think email in the field might get some private answers if not many answer in the thread? The whole thing is interesting, I want to see the outcome.

>> No.7671353

>>7671338
Fumiko from Chantilly is also plus size, and have always been as far as I can remember.

>> No.7671362

>>7671346
Fantastic idea, anon! We can set up a joint email for translators, so that they can all log in and see the results! I'll make one right now.

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7671373

>>7670517
>When in doubt, try divination with flower petals

>> No.7671387

Misako said in her interview with Brad from Harajuju that she sees people staying in the fashion and that in Japan the age range is older, more like 25-40 and the trends over the next few years will lean more to classical. I'd like to see what they say about that, do they mostly agree or think something else on these two related subjects?

>> No.7671393

>>7670576
I think 'shimotsuma' are actually newbies who came in lolita after discovering shimotsuma, because they speack about them along with 'back to school lolitas', our summerfags I guess.

>> No.7671396

>>7671373
I'm sure you say this ironically but there was an article on flower numerology or some such in one of the bibles.

>> No.7671404

>>7671396
Wait, for real?

>> No.7671472
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7671472

OK guys I made the email.
It's
>4chanlolitas@gmail.com

If you have any interest in being a translator, please email this email. I know it's a pain, but I don't want anyone to be a translator who doesn't have at least N3 experience!

Also, for the actual translation of the questions, I'd like someone who's Japanese is N2 or better. Preferably native, if possible.

Also this is our icon, and I nicknamed her Seagull-chan.
Everyone say hello.

>> No.7671484

I would like to know how Japanese lolis feel about btssb's customer service. Us shitty gaijin have had bad luck so far, but I wonder if it's any different if you were Japanese.

Also what are the best and worst public reactions when they wear lolita out.

How come Moi Meme Moitie is labelled as "gothic" in closet child and other shops but not as "lolita"

What do they think of Iron Gate, Lotta and Puppet Circus

Whether lolita bothers their family/friends or they keep it a secret from them all.

What do they think of burando itas who have huge wardrobes but can't co-ord for shit

Ask them what's the nastiest thing a lolita might do online to others (for example we have loli-secrets and the vendettachans on cgl) and what's/who's the biggest drama lolcow they have

Lastly please invite a nihonjin lolita over to be the japanese version of chinese-gossip.

Thank you modchan I love you

>> No.7671486

>>7671396
Yes I know, and it make me laught. But I heard that japanese actually take a lot of things at first degree and don't know irony and stuff so I always questionned myself reading these numerology/lifestyle advice etc from the bibles.

>> No.7671491

>>7671404
Yes, in the English flower issue I think. #2. I'd check but I'm warm in bed and lazy...

>> No.7671495

>>7671486
Me too but I thought it was still funny. I used to read the shoujo beat horoscopes still though, haha! I miss it.

>> No.7671584

OK here are the questions I've added so far. I organized them so they'd be less intimidating to the Japanese lolitas. (Not just a blog of 50 questions.)

Too many to post all at once, so I'll make posts by section.

Personal
>1. How long have you been in lolita fashion?
>2. What style of lolita fashion would you consider yourself? (classic, sweet, gothic, ect.)
>3. What is your favorite brand and why?
>4. What is your least favorite brand and why?
>5. Does your family know that you are a lolita? If so, what do they think of it?
>6. What about a boyfriend, or a girlfriend? If you have one, do they know that you're a lolita? What do they think of it?

>> No.7671585

Clothing and style
>1.What brand do you think is the most popular in Japan?
>2.What are the recent trends you have noticed for lolita fashion in Japan?
>3.Do you think gothic style lolita is dying out?
>4. What do you think of Bodyline?
>5. If a lolita owns some pieces from Bodyline, and mixes them with brand pieces, is it OK?
>6. What about a lolita who only owns Bodyline?
>7. Does a lolita have to wear a wig to be cute? Or if her hair is styled for lolita, is that OK, too?
>8. Have you ever had bad customer service with BTSSB? Such as random blacklisting, falling apart new shows, being ignored in a store, ect?
>9. Is Moi meme Moitie a lolita brand, or a gothic brand? Why is it listed with gothic clothing on some resale sites, instead of lolita?
>10. Why is "sax" the name for light blue?
>11. What do you think of a lolita who owns a lot of brand, but can't dress herself very well?
>12. Define ita lolita, please.

>> No.7671587

Community and culture
>1. In the west, many lolitas form regional communities. We have fun events like tea parties and swap meets. Is it the same in Japan?
>2. Where do Japanese lolitas go to talk to each other online?
>3. What's the nastiest thing a Japanese lolita can do to another online? Here we have "Behind the Bows", an anonymous site where lolitas can make "secrets", or complain about something they don't like. Often, these secrets are used to target a girl and bully her. This causes a lot of drama in our community. Is there anything like this on the Japan net?
>4. Is there a lolita that most online lolitas hate and like to bully?
>5. What kind of drama happens in Japanese lolita communities? Tell us some stories, please.
>6. Who is your favorite lolita model?
>7. Who is your least favorite lolita model?
>8. Misako Aoki is very well known in the west and loved by many. But there's also a good number of people who hate her. What do Japanese lolitas think of Misako Aoki?
>9. Do you think Misako has the same face in every picture? Some people think she looks like a robot.

>> No.7671588

Physical Appearance
>1. What kind of face do you find attractive for lolita fashion? (Nose, eyes, ect.)
>2. How do you feel about fat lolitas?
>3. Are there any popular fat lolitas?
>4. What about a fat lolita who wears brand? Are you worried they will damage the brand?
>5. What height do you think is ideal for lolita?

>> No.7671589

>>7670692
>>7670720
that thread is from 2005 though.
What I want to know: What do JP lolitas think about bodyline in 2014? Do they own any?

>> No.7671591

Foreign Lolita
>1. Do you think western lolitas are cute? Or do you think they're ugly?
>2. There's rumors that Japanese lolitas hate western lolitas because we buy rare dresses and keep them out of the Japanese second hand market. Is this true? Have you ever refused to sell brand to a foreign lolita for this reason?
>3. What do you think of American lolitas, specifically?
>4. What do you think of European lolitas, specifically?
>5. Do you have any foreign lolitas who you like or admire? Maybe someone you saw online?

OK that's all I have so far! Thoughts? Anything else to add?

>> No.7671592

>>7671589
Nevermind, I saw you already added the bodyline question! Sorry about that.

>> No.7671593

>>7671585
light blue is called sax because the dye is called saxon blue

>> No.7671595

>>7671593
I read Saxon blue is actually darker, though? Is this misinformation?

>> No.7671600

>>7671595
No, true saxon blue is fairly dark. You're right. It's one of those things that Japan just picked up and now it's common use.

>> No.7671604

2chan bans foreign IP's though (as OP already stated), so this entire idea is stupid. They would even report you if you use a proxy and a person who speaks Japanese fluently, since it's kinda obvoius you are a foreigner considering the topic and all.

>> No.7671605

>>7671604
>Didn't read through the whole thread.

If you think this is stupid, please leave.

>> No.7671606

>>7671600
OK! If it's just messed up Japan-made-English, I'll delete the question. Thank you for the clarification!

>> No.7671609

>>7671605
mod-chan i think there are too many questions. if a japanese loli came to cgl and threw these questions at me i'll ignore them too.

i actually suggest doing some kind of a vote and we could pick like the 10 most desired questions instead.

>> No.7671615

Japanese lolitas already think western lolitas are obsessed psychopaths. this will just make them think even less of us, gj

>> No.7671617

>>7671588
I think 3 questions about fat Lolitas to a culture known to be more openly against fat in general is not a great idea.

>> No.7671620

>>7671615

If you think this is stupid, please leave.

>> No.7671622

>>7671609
Yes this.

>> No.7671624

>>7671609
I agree, the questions do need to be cut down. Just typing them out was exhausting.

Ten seems a little short, though... Maybe twenty?

>> No.7671626

>>7671617
I think so, too. I'll cut it down to just one.

>> No.7671627

>>7671615
I kind of think the same. I wasn't surprised when Chinese gossip said Chinese Lolitas didn't care much of anything about western Lolitas and I imagine it's similar in Japan. I think most of these would be better answered through maybe a Japanese Lolita penpal in you could find one on a penpal site. And as far as cultural 'exchange' since when is that just invading a board and asking a bunch of mosey questions? That would be rude even in the west and manners in japan do not work that way.

>> No.7671628

>>7671624
Twenty is too much. If some unknown random foreigner person came up to me and asked any 20 of above questions i'll just ignore them man.

We could do 5-10 at first, then a few months later go another round, if there are still some other pressing questions.

>> No.7671629

>>7671627
>I think most of these would be better answered through maybe a Japanese Lolita penpal in you could find one on a penpal site

off topic but please recommend a website like this to me

>> No.7671633

>>7671605
>Didn't read through the whole thread.
Except, I did though?
No reason to get mad about different opinions, anon.
This actually has been tried a few years ago and 4chan failed tragically.

Plus, there just needs to be one Japanese lolita who also lurks 4chan and they already know whats going on when there pops up a thread like this.

>> No.7671640

>>7671629
http://www.interpals.net/search.php?todo=search&sort=last_login&age1=16&age2=110&sex%5B%5D=FEMALE&continents%5B%5D=AF&continents%5B%5D=AS&continents%5B%5D=EU&continents%5B%5D=NA&continents%5B%5D=OC&continents%5B%5D=SA&countries%5B%5D=---&languages%5B%5D=---&languages%5B%5D=JA&lfor%5B%5D=lfor_email&lfor%5B%5D=lfor_snail&lfor%5B%5D=lfor_langex&lfor%5B%5D=lfor_friend&lfor%5B%5D=lfor_flirt&lfor%5B%5D=lfor_relation&keywords=Lolita&sort=last_login&username=Username

>> No.7671641

>>7671633

If you think this idea is stupid, please leave.

>> No.7671646

>>7671629
On the site, first hit, Izumi, actually interested in western things... I think contacting her or similar person would be a much better idea. Just my thoughts.

'Hello!Nice to meet you! My name is Izumi,and 24 years old.
I love traveling,gothic lolita fashion,victorian,art,Antique interior,furniture collection,music.
I'm interested in overseas gothic fashion and witch culture,victorian fashion ,edwardian,rococo.
My dream to go to gothic event at Euro... [more]'

>> No.7671649

>>7671641
Several people have stated very good reasons why, so 'please leave' is not a very good reply, I think... I'd like to know some of these answers too but I don't think invading 2c is the correct method of obtaining them and may even cause hostility.

>> No.7671652

Ok everyone, perhaps I wasn't clear when I was creating this thread, and for that, I'm sorry.
I will explain in this post more about what this is supposed to be about.

There has been many times on other sites where people will say things like, "but Japanese lolitas do X." But there is no real documentation of this, except what people are saying they've seen, and that's not exactly the best source.

If we can come together and pick some questions to ask them, then we can put some of this to bed, and have something we can look back on in future years.

This is about creating a first source of Japanese lolita information. Yes, you could get this information out of a penpal. But this is more about creating something for everyone to see.

I understand some of you do not like this idea. That is totally fine! Just ignore this thread, it's OK.

Finally, we have figured out a way to bypass the problem of proxies by using a western lolita who currently lives in Japan. No rules are technically being broken.

>> No.7671654

>>7671591
I would maybe do only these to get started? Since I guess that's what most of us are really curious about.

>> No.7671656

>>7671627
lolita is just a fashion to them. they don't make their entire lives revolve around lolita and try to lolify everything, nor do they obsessively stalk and harass people they don't like. western lolis are craycray and they see us as an embarrassment as a whole.

>> No.7671661

>>7671652
why are you tripping? get the fuck out newfag attentionwhore. go play with google translate and post shit on 2ch on your own time. those of us who can read Japanese will laugh when your ass is handed to you and you're still stupidly persisting because you don't get what's going on.

>> No.7671664

>>7671652
Except the rules of polite society and completely ignoring any introduction protocols for completely mosey and self-serving info gathering? If the tables were turned, I'd ignore or diss someone coming in like this. Imagine if someone (non-Japanese) did this on 4c. We'd either laugh them off the board or rip them a new ass, possibly both. It's a big assumption that even ANY Japanese Lolitas will give this the time of day, and done in this way, it's not likely because honestly?
It blatantly ignores quite a few of their societal norms for this kind of information exchange and really illustrates the pushy western stereotype with no tact or finesse.

>> No.7671665

>>7671656
Yes, exactly, and people busting into 2c with this agenda are just going to confirm the cray. I would really like to hear the answers to some of these too, I'm nosey!! But not enough so that I'd rudely barge onto their board with a listu, lol.

>> No.7671671

Alright, everyone who is still interested in asking questions please select the top ten questions that you like from the list of questions!

If any overlap, they'll be added to the final list.

>> No.7671674

>>7671664
I understand your concerns, which is why we have a short introduction and this will all be written in very polite Japanese.
They will also be invited to ask us any questions if they would like to.

>> No.7671675

>>7671674
*we will have

Sorry.

>> No.7671676

>>7671665
modchan is just a desperate newfag weeaboo and will probably post using romaji. 2ch isn't a lolita board and there isn't a section like /cgl/ where lolitas flock. there's maybe one or two threads in the visual kei section, so if newfag posts there or makes a new thread they're just going to be laughed at and told to go die/kill themselves.

>> No.7671677

>>7671671
I'm out if it's to be done this way, I'm in the camp of 'not all the people here are these kinds of Lolitas being rude on 2c with these questions, we tried to talk sense to them, how embarrassing, hehe... Gomen ne' .

This isn't a cultural exchange to just barge in to ask them questions because you found a work-around to their board and are a nosey Parker. You'll just make them that much more closed and with good reason.
Just no.

It's very telling that you aren't even open here among us to entertain potentially different ways to go about it. 'Just leave' is your solution.
How about just no.

>> No.7671678

>>7671674
a very tiny percentage of actual lolitas use that site, and they are trolls. are you being ignorant on purpose?

>> No.7671680

>>7671676
Ikr? And I probably shouldn't care but I can almost hear the collective ehhhhhhh???? And feel the eyebrows go up. And I know it's just likely newfag dumbshittery on 4c but western Lolitas are already in such low standing that dammit, it's a little embarrassing. Harrumph!

>> No.7671681

>>7671677
If you'd like to tell me different ways of going about it, I'd love suggestions! But these posts seem somewhat negative and more along the lines of, "just give up."

I really am open to suggestions about how to do this in a better way on 2chan, but as for people who don't like the project/thing it's dumb/ect, and aren't going to offer legitimate suggestions, then they can really just leave.

>> No.7671682

>>7671652
News flash, they don't see it as 'the problem of proxies', Hun... they do not want gaijin on the board. Probably because of this kind of thing!

>> No.7671684

Also, if many of you think that 2chan is a bad website to ask Japanese lolitas questions, (too many trolls, ect), then please offer up another website or Japanese lolita online community.

Again, this is about finding a source to many alleged "Japanese lolitas do X" claims. Nothing more. The site itself doesn't particularly matter.

>> No.7671685

>>7671681
There is no better way to do it. Foreign IPs are blocked for a reason. We aren't just saying that we don't like it/it's dumb, you're just being a lazy cunt and won't read and just whine at us to leave when we are telling you that this is only going to make Japanese lolitas look down on us even more.

It's etc by the way, not ect.

>> No.7671686

>>7671684
>ect
Ec Tetera?

>> No.7671689

>>7671684

Gothic and Lolita Punk no Kai

>> No.7671691

>>7671681
I did, I'm the one who linked you a penpal actually interested in this kind of exchange. Problem is, just because you want to shake down japsnese Lolitas for the info, there's good and bad ways to go about it. Do this and anyone trying even 10x more tactfully in the future will have a hard time of it, don't you see? What you are proposing is extremely rude way to approach the subject, not that being curious is a bad thing but forcing answers and invading a very xenophobic board with pointed questions on what for most of them will be a fairly obscure topic is really odd. Not even 1/10of 2c will be the slightest bit interested other than to point and stare at the rude spectacle.

>> No.7671692

>>7671684
There is no other website or Japanese online community! This is what you don't get. Japanese lolitas aren't fucking like western lolitas, it's just CLOTHES to them. They don't make stupid hierarchies like western lolitas do.

>> No.7671694

>>7671691
modchan doesn't care and thinks you should leave meanie head!

>> No.7671695

>>7671685
Oops, you're right! I don't know why I thought it was ect?? *etc to all previous ect.

There is likely many Japanese lolitas who do hate western lolitas. These people will never change their way of thinking. Most likely, they're slightly xenophobic gaijin haters.

These people will always exist.
There is no point in seeking their approval.

Asking polite questions in a friendly manner isn't going to make normal people hate everyone from the west, forever.

There will be trolls. There will be flamers. There will be people who see this as proof that all western lolitas are crazy.

But that will not be everyone.

>> No.7671701

>>7671695
2ch is not a lolita board. There is no lolita section.

>> No.7671702

>>7671694
Le sigh...I'm going to need some retail therapy after this, and where's my Moitie hanky, it's all too much! {fans self}

Haha. But seriously, yeah, we all have had questions and likely we CAN brainstorm a polite and decently tactful way to ask some but this isn't that. How many of us are friends with members or ambassadors of the Lolita Assn, for instance? Asking them for advice and perhaps setting up a q&a of some sort might be a way. There's never one way to do something. My big question about Lolita is for Mana anyway and I'm just going to write to him since he encourages fan letters giving our impressions all the time! That's my solution.

>> No.7671704

>>7671691
I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to figure out a way for us to broadly ask Japanese lolitas these questions and have a written document of it.

The problem with a penpal is that it's a rather private exchange between two people. I was hoping to create something with more people.

>> No.7671705

>>7671695
Non-Japanese IPs are blocked because they don't want you there, dumbass. Make it obvious you are circumventing that and people who use that same method to post, such as Japanese abroad, risk having that method made unusable.

>> No.7671708

>>7671695
But what you are doing isn't asking polite questions of Lolitas in a friendly manner. It's proposing what amounts to an invasion on a largely non-Lolita-related board with no one to introduce you and questions you would NOT ask a japanese you'd just met. It's not the correct approach at all. Just the fact that you do not know this is a big part of the problem, not the questions or the curiosity.

>> No.7671709

>>7671702
This is a good idea! As long as we can ask Japanese lolitas these sorts of questions, I don't mind the format. Some sort of q&a sounds good with ambassadors.

>> No.7671710

>>7671704
2ch is not a lolita board. There is no lolita section. There is no lolita online community. There is no community period. Japanese don't form stupid lolita hierarchies. It's a fashion. Just clothes. They don't need to have power over one another and make dumb groups like you all do.

I feel like a broken record player because you just don't or won't comprehend this simple thing.

>> No.7671711

>>7671708
I see what you're saying, and it's becoming very clear that 2chan isn't the proper place to do this.

I see how you wouldn't walk up to a Japanese lolita on the street and start asking these questions, so I see your concern there, too.

Let's try and work together to find a way to talk to Japanese lolitas about these questions and create a source of information, instead of fighting about the format.

>> No.7671716

>>7671709
Some of the questions will be answered almost identically to what Chinese Gossip has already said the Chinese Lolitas think too, I bet, and those are in the archive. There are some overlapping views on westerners, I did notice in her posts, to whammy japsnese past pen pals have told me. They, who weren't interested in Lolita, treated my interest in it much as I would a cute little poodle in a sweater, oh how cute and a bit daft...do you see? And that is how most Japanese think of Lolita much less westerners in it.

>> No.7671717

>>7671711
Then ask the rest of the board here for these suggestions instead of shoo-ing them away, lol. The penpal and a Lolita ambassador as guidance were my best suggestions already.

>> No.7671719

>>7671710
I'm sorry if I haven't seemed to be listening or understanding. I really am trying, but I've already found some older lolita websites in Japanese where users can register profiles, ect, so I just don't feel like this is true. The problem is the site I found seems inactive. Would you like a link?

I'm sure there's others out there.

>> No.7671721

>>7671719
Sure, I'll bite, link them so we can see what you are talking about.

>> No.7671726

>>7671717
Anyone else have any suggestions.

Again, I apologize for any confusion, I was really just frustrated because the tone seemed to be "just give up". I didn't mean to shoo anyone away who is actually interested in helping.

>> No.7671727

Also just as a passing note, using Imai Kira's art as an icon might not be the best idea in the world. She has specifically told people NOT to use it, it's right on her website...in Japanese, of course...

>> No.7671730

>>7671727
Alright, we can use a different one, then, that's fine.

Anyone want to post some icon ideas?

>> No.7671731

>>7671721
http://goth-loli.jp

There you go! You have to register to see, though, but if you know Japanese it shouldn't be a problem.

>> No.7671732

>>7671726
I have one last suggestion: get with Lolitas doing panels at a major con and propose a q&A with the Japanese brand guests with a pre-approved list of these, no more than 10, and yes, voted on by members here 'of an online group' would be more tactful, no mention of 4c, maybe. And see what the response is AND if they say no, <find out why>. Then you will know a lot more.

>> No.7671734

>>7671719
Have you noticed that a lot of the sites are inactive? There's a reason for that. If you want to find active groups, there's probably some on sites like Mixi, but other than that, you won't find much because there's not such a strong online community presence.

>> No.7671735

>>7671732
That's a good idea- except I'm not really interested in talking to brand designers. I feel like if we asked one "are fat lolitas bad" they wouldn't dream of ruining brand image by saying "yes."

This is more about run of the mill Japanese lolitas.

>> No.7671738

>>7671734
Then maybe we can ask through mixi?

Misako did say in a con interview I watched that lolitas are "half and half" when it comes to in person lolita friends and online, so there's got to be done presence, somewhere, right?

>> No.7671740

>>7671738
*some

I'm tired it's 3am here. Will have to leave soon...

>> No.7671741

>>7671734
Exactly. Because it's a fashion, not a lifestyle.

>> No.7671742

>>7671738

Need a Japanese mobile phone number to sign up for Mixi.

>> No.7671744

>>7671738
I think you're reading into that too much. A good number of lolitas keep blogs and post their pictures online, while another good number of lolitas don't put anything online because they don't want to be associated with it. It's nothing to do with large online communities.

>> No.7671745

>>7671742
If we have people living in Japan willing to help, this shouldn't be a problem.

>> No.7671746

>>7671741
Can we please get over the fact that some people (including some Japanese lolitas) consider it as a lifestyle even if it's far from being the norm already ? And I actually think lifestyles would be the one with no only presence, they don't need friend since they have potted plants.

>> No.7671747

>>7671738
"Online" can mean mixi, ameblo, or twitter. For the umpteenth time, is no "online community!!!!"

>> No.7671748

>>7671744
Ok, those are still Japanese lolitas we can ask these questions, though, right?

>> No.7671749

>>7671745
lmfao

>> No.7671752

>>7671748
I really hope you're a troll and not just this dumb

>> No.7671753

>>7671747
It's just about finding Japanese lolis to ask these questions, anon, not about proving the existence of a huge online community. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

>> No.7671754

>>7671746
Online* damn phone

And if Japanese lolitas don't have as much online presence as we westerners do, it's because :
1) it can really handicap them into having a normal social life and a job
2) Lolita is old enought in Japan to have it's community fading away just as goth in the West.

>> No.7671756

>>7671753
then go to twitter search ロリータ or ロリィタ and find girls who list it as an interest and bother them. see how they react to it.

"hay I was wondering what u think of fat western lolis lol? ^_^"

>> No.7671758

>>7671754
3) it's a fashion and not a lifestyle so they don't obsess over it like westerners do

>> No.7671760

>>7671758
Adding to this point, actually a lot of people that get into lolita end up jumping out of it quite quickly because it's less of a lifestyle and more of a fashion. Sure there are always going to be the girls that live and breathe lolita, and those who love it and wear it all the time, but there's also a large number of girls who wear it for a short time and then move onto other fashions.

>> No.7671761

>>7671735
If you ask any Lolita 'are fat Lolitas bad' or most of these listed above, honestly...they will likely give you the same answer, that's part of my point. These burning direct questions you want to ask are exactly the kind most Asian people will defer to answer directly and honestly unless you know them well. They just don't do it. You do not have any kind of 'in' or even a mutual introduction, much less any enticement for them to even give your question the time of day. So they will smile, say something blandly inoffensive and think, what a rude girl, so pushy. What you do not seem to get on a basic level is that very few of them if any will be interested in talking to YOU, and don't give a shit that you are nosey. And to think you can ask these kinds of direct questions of any Japznese people is very naive, they do not communicate this way, much less with gaijin. It's just not done. And no, this is not about run of the mill Japznese Lolitas at all, it's about your curiosity, which very few people will care to help you satisfy since you don't know the first thing about even entering into polite dialogue without embarrassing yourself sand the person you are speaking with. Do you not get this at all? It's also why you got very little help here, did you notice? No tact, no finesse.

>> No.7671762

>>7671758
Are you retarded or some troll ?
Anything can be a lifestyle, any hobby can affect your way of living and make you change a lot, it's just up to you. If you consider it just as a fashion, good for you, but if you understand what fashion actually is you'll understand why people can make it into a lifestyle, especially alternative fashions.
Some lolita bother so much with Lolita that they actually turn their life around for it (IW and VM designer for examples), and they are lifestyle lolitas. They do obviously care about a lifestyle.

>> No.7671765

I'm sorry but it's approaching 4am now and I really need to go to bed.

Going to do more research on this until I find a solution.

If anyone has any ideas, throw 'em out there.

>> No.7671767

Actually some of these questions have been asked of do,e designers or have been subtly answered in one way or another at the designer q&a etc. we know JetJ won't alter their designs but a few cm because it risks ruining the design, we know some brand designers rarely or never make clothes above a certain size (Moitie) and afaik, of the Japanese Lolita designers, only the Chantilly designer is fat. Wow, such detective, much mystery, hm?

>> No.7671769

>>7671762
youre retarded, obviously

Japanese lolitas are not obsessed with lolita FASHION like y'all are. No dumb groups with hierarchies, and they don't have entire boards dedicated to singling out and harassing the shit out of people who don't fit their personal standards of dress.

learn to read

>> No.7671773

Lolita is clothes. You wont find anything beyond that. No exclusive japanese lolita club, rules, way of life, etc. lolita will never be morethan just clothes

>> No.7671776

Pity mod-tan isn't into gyaru, we could feed her to Black Diamond and watch them chew her up and spit her out.

>> No.7671788

>>7671773
nuuuuu dere must b an eleet curabu!! a seekrit prace2 stalk teh jap roris xDDDD

>> No.7671791

>>7671788
U can't go curabu, u not speshul Nippon-desu rori-goff, not on the leet listu. Baka gaijin.
(Desudesudesu)

>> No.7671818

>title read culture exchange
Gee sounds fun are we going to swop cute pictures or kawaii collages or play some kind of game?

>entered thread
lol

>> No.7671825

>>7671818
Ikr? When it came down to 'stalk Japanese Lolitas on 2chan and ask them a boatload of awkward questions', I just got out the popcorn...

>> No.7671832

>>7671484
I second all of this so much.
Thanks a bunch modchan

>> No.7671837

>>7671710
>Japanese don't form stupid lolita hierarchies

well, I guess you're right, but that's because they don't form communities for the most part. Lolitas here just go out with one or two friends and hang out. No meetups or anything. Idk about ameblo or the other japanese blog sites though.

>> No.7671847

Soo basically japanese lolitas/gyarus/... are huge cunts,even more than we are?
"ololol fatso"
"go die ugly"
I...I just can't. I just hate how they'll act nice desu ne to your face but talk shit on your back. Japanese are such fucking hypocrites. Alos without their makeup/lenses/... most of them are really ew

>> No.7671848

>>7671847
*Also
I think y'all are a bunch of obsessed weebs,worried about what nihonjin rori think of you? Why should you give a shit about what some chinks think of you?

>> No.7671851

Uh, why am I seeing your trip everywhere on this board? If you're not doing this to just attention whore (which it really looks like you are), then keep it to this thread.

>> No.7671853

>>7671847
hi _ifwinterends

>> No.7671858

>>7671837
They actually do meetups, was in some japanese documentary about lolita.

>> No.7671861

Who gives a shit about what japanese lolitas think of gaijins? It's actually funny to see them rage because "muh rare duressu owned by a baka gaijin"

>> No.7671863

>>7671776
>Black Diamond
No one gives a shit about that crusty gal-cir.

I love how troll chan keeps calling everyone a weeaboo when you're probably weeaboo trash yourself. That elitism I know japunesh so I know how they think is great.

>> No.7671864

>>7671853
Not even that chick but srsly they really are huge cunts for the most part,acting all kawaii and talkin' shit on yo back afterwards. Let's be honest.

>> No.7671867

>>7671861
this. /cgl/ is full of closet weeaboos anyway it's time to admit it.

>> No.7671869

I don't understand why people are so hostile in this thread. All the OP wants to do is ask some questions on 2chan. If they ignore or make fun of the post who cares.

>> No.7671870

>>7671869
It's cgl anon,cgl is full of cunts

>> No.7671873

>>7671869
It's just someone who wants to rustle jimmies.

>> No.7671876

>>7671858
It's usually just groups of friends, or specific events ie brand or model tea parties. Japanese lolitas do not have the giant connected communities via LJ/FB/cgl like the West does.

>>7671747
Mixi comms are pretty dead

>> No.7671877

>>7671863
Nope,I freely admit that I barely know a bit and only what I've been taught but OP is on the wrong track with this. I tried some suggestions but to little effect.

>> No.7671885

>>7671877
Oh so you're just weeaboo trash.

>> No.7671887

>>7671847
The culture is different. They don't say what they are thinking and just blurt it out bluntly like we do. We consider that honesty, they think it's rude and gauche. It's one of the first things that is a major cause of misunderstanding for everyone and a big reason who most of the question list up there wouldn't even get answered anyway.

>> No.7671891

>>7671837
>>7671876
I hear you but I'm not mod-chan or a naysayer, unfortunately...who needs to hear and understand these

but you confirm what I've been thinking, the info is out there, mostly and it IS this way. Not everyone is just blindly trolling or fussing. I care about not being seen as a rude, nosey gaijin so I've tried to learn a little.

>> No.7671894

>>7671885
Maybe a touch weeby but not trash, no.
I'm not rudely poking into anyone's business and I tried to suggest some alternate ideas, not that it did any good, I think.

>> No.7671898

>>7671891
I think you're way overreacting about it being nosey. 2chan is no ones private forum.

>> No.7671905

>>7671894
>Rudely poking into someone's business
You do know we're talking about a public board and not running up to a Japanese lolita to ask her questions right?

>> No.7671908

>>7671898
2ch has no lolita section

>> No.7671909

>>7671898
They ban foreign IP for a reason, and I'm nosey about things too but I'm not going to barge into a foreign message board where very few Lolitas post very often and let loose a barrage of direct questions. I'm betting if it goes down similar to that, instaban. But I'm pretty done here, I tried to be helpful and explain a bit why quite a few people oppose the idea but evidently to no avail.

Jeez, you don't have to know much at all to know this isn't a great approach.

>> No.7671919

Jesus Christ you think you can just ask a Japanese person questions??? Asian people do NOT answer questions, everybody knows that.
Also literally no one in Japan knows or cares about lolita. Actually lolita doesn't even exist. Anywhere.

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>> No.7671928

>>7671731
I registered and backtracked. No posts at all since January 2011.

>> No.7671933

>>7671908
I never said they did. I was one of the anons upthread who offered my services but also warned that it would be difficult since lolita threads are few and far between.

>>7671919
topkek

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>> No.7671936

>>7671921
luv that thumb nail, adorin that tn. good meme bud.

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>>7671853
hi, _____
commit sudoku immediatly

>> No.7671946

>>7671847
How is this any different from what we do on /cgl/? The majority of seagulls would never actually say "gtfo fatty, stop stretching out my brand, you ugly cunt!!" to some fat girl, yet they do it here.
It just comes with anonymity on a board like 2ch or 4ch.

>> No.7672026

>>7671853
she was really in and out when it comes to drama. On EGL for a few months making everything super drama and then nothing. Was she banned?

>> No.7672034

>>7672026
Nah, she just bitches and fusses, doesn't do anything ban-worthy. Just offends a lot of sensibilities. I think it's funny.

>> No.7672096

I think we've hit a conundrum here.
Option 1: post to 2ch, probably get no response or told to gtfo gaijin piggu/banned, but best chance to hear honest opinions because of anonymity
Option 2: Find some Japanese lolitas on mixi or real life and ask them, but they will give you bullshit answers that you want to hear "all western lolitas are beautiful, just like a doll"

You pick.

>> No.7672097

Now I'm wondering why the international lolita community is so concerned with banding together in big groups and putting a hierarchy on what is and isn't acceptable.

>> No.7672099

>>7671661
>being this mad
I bet you "learned" Japanese from mango and animu xfd

>> No.7672108

>>7672096
Option 3: realize that there's no more consensus on these oh-so-important questions among glorious Nipponese Lolitas than among we western ones and get wise to the fact that most of them likely do not even have any opinions about western Lolitas because they don't sit around thinking about us and that most of the rest is just individual preferences about things.

>> No.7672115

Hey, OP, how the fuck were you supposed to do this if you can't post on 2chan without a proxy?

All that will happen is that you'll either have to fake being a Japanese lolita, or you'll just get banned for being a gaijin.

>> No.7672116

Geez, just ask if you want to ask. If they don't answer then they don't answer. Who actually cares?

>> No.7672119 [DELETED] 

>>7672097
Most of the GOOD Lolitas aren't, if you notice, they are bust traveling, buying, coordinating, writing blogs, having FUN...it's mostly the noobs, poorfags and you goings that start this kind of 'project'...from lack of resources or anything better to do, perhaps?

>> No.7672121

>>7672097

Most of the GOOD Lolitas aren't, if you notice, they are busy traveling, buying, coordinating, writing blogs, having FUN...it's mostly the noobs, poorfags and younglings that start this kind of 'project'...from lack of resources or anything better to do, perhaps?

>> No.7672132

>>7671588
So...3 questions concerning the fattys but you left out the 2 questions asked right in the thread about both age and skinny? Nice, very selective. Yeah.

>> No.7672134

>>7672132
For me that fell under the "do you think gaijin are ugly" question, since we know they like skinny people. Forgot about age.

>> No.7672141

OK woke up today pretty pissed off, since I have to work today and I only got five hours of sleep.
So I'm going full raging cunt mode.
>tfw some fucking weaboo starts trying to fuck up your thread.
>tfw when they shitpost repeatedly, varying between two different styles of typing because "omg they ignored me and told me to leave! muh ego"
>tfw the other bitch in this thread seems to think that all Japanese are somehow a higher race of beings, immune to drama and clique forming, and only care about fashion for fashion's sake.
>tfw they are probably both nasty ass gyaru pretending to be lolis, or ita cunts who bought their first dress on milanoo.com last week.

GTFO or start offering real content, you shit eaters. Faggots like yourself who post shit like "omg but the Japanese think X" are the reason there's so much misinformation out there about Japanese lolitas.

If you're bored, go masturbate. If you're offended, shitpost more.

Someone's already offered to post on 2chan for us, so I think we'll just go through with it, since people want to find the answers to these questions.

If you're not these two, and you're in this thread, either bully them or ignore them. Stupid cunts.

>tfw yes I'm a sandy, salty, butthurt bitch this morning but at least I'm not a weeb

>> No.7672145

I guess someone is mad because they were called out for their attention-whoring, weaboo tendencies.

>> No.7672148

>>7672141
It's not just 2 people giving you question on this, mod-tan, I see about 5, possibly, and know more are watching. I'm the suggestion offerer from last night and I think I'm just going to leave the thread if this is what I get to wake and read. I want NO part of this kind of thing the way it's headed. Good luck.

>> No.7672151

>>7672141
You seem way too invested in something like this. I suggest you calm down before you post.

Also
>weaboo
>nastass gyaru pretending to be lolis
>ita cunts

You're on some other kinna shit with those accusations.

>Faggots like yourself who post shit like "omg but the Japanese think X" are the reason there's so much misinformation out there about Japanese lolita

But you know fuckall of anything yourself, stop trying to make it out that you're some expert when you're not.

>at least I'm not a weeb

You're worse at this point.

>> No.7672154

>>7672099
いや、そんな糞見てないや。アホ乙

>> No.7672156

>>7672148
Agreed. I also don't like how this went from a fun idea to what it is. The amount of anal restrictions and bitching just to bitch has turned me off from the whole idea.

>> No.7672160

>>7672141
>If you're not these two, and you're in this thread, either bully them or ignore them. Stupid cunts.

No! just no. Calling 4chan to bully because you are on the rag = the worst kind of noob mistake here.
Not your private army. I'm out too.

>> No.7672162

>>7672141
Sorry, but your attitude is ruining the project. You bought into the shitposting by not only responding, but letting it affect you this much. You're being way too controlling, you have this matter-of-fact attitude on now and you just seem like a whiny know-it-all.

>> No.7672164

>>7672160
I think she should take her own advice and just fucking ignore them. She should have done so before. They started out shitposting, it's not as if she was lured into it.

>> No.7672165

My eyes are rolling back in my head. I feel like this is some psychological shit.
>Shitposter has internalized their own weaboo and now sees weaboo in anything to do with the Japanese.

Yeah, because trying to get information to settle old debates is such a weaboo thing to do.
Trying to organize something so that we can add information to the community is attention whoring.

Newsflash, cunt, weaboo means wannabe Japanese. Not just animu fan. All this "you must learn to appreciate the delicate culture of the Japanese, where they shall all collectively become offended, lest you make it harder for us to talk to them in the future" is some weaboo shit.

>> No.7672168

saying that 2ch is not a lolita board and does not have a lolita section, and that Japanese don't form online communities and behave like western lolitas isn't shitposting.

someone is just mad that their so called perfectly thought out plan bombed

>> No.7672169

Yeah, you guys are right, I'm too mad to continue with this project.
It was my fault for not ignoring them in the first place, and I'm way too sensitive of a person to moderate anything.

Shouldn't have said to bully them either, that was dumb.

Anyways, I'm just going to let this thread die and stop using this tripcode. This whole thing is now a clusterfuck.

>> No.7672173

>>7672169
>>7672168
>>7672165
It seriously looks to me like you are the so called shitposters. Both you and some of the people "shitposting" seem to be having issues with quoting. Being able to make a tripcode does not make you a 4chan pro.

>> No.7672174

>>7672173
I don't have any problems "quoting" you retarded ass burglar.

>> No.7672178 [DELETED] 

>>7672174
Then quote, nigger.

>> No.7672180

>>7672178
Wow so hard. Much strain. Am I real 4channer now?

>> No.7672181

>>7672178
I just did you jew.

>> No.7672190

>>7672169
Calm down, no need to be so mad, it was a good idea but it wasn't that good of a plan anyway once it started to mature. Many of these questions already don't even accurately represent a balanced east west exchange dialogue anyway. 3 fatty questions, 3 Bodyline questions, define ita, does your family know? Mmm...no.

>> No.7672195

>>7672190
>Many of these questions already don't even accurately represent a balanced east west exchange dialogue anyway. 3 fatty questions, 3 Bodyline questions, define ita, does your family know? Mmm...no.

This. What's worse is that the "weeb" anon who pretty much said what the answers to the stupid questions would most likely be got chewed out immediately as a stupid weeb cunt for having a basic understanding of Japanese people.

>> No.7672212

I love this thread
Thank you mod tan for the good laugh

>> No.7672214

>>7671851
Because noobs on 4chan haven't yet learned how to use a trip correctly in just 1 thread or determine when one is even really needed. I noted it too, and saw what else she posted about in other threads...another good reason to give this whole circus a big fat miss.

>> No.7672244

Aw I wanted to hear the results of this experiment. Come back mod tan!

>> No.7672246

>>7671341
None of the ex-pat lolis in Japan seem to mix with Japanese lolitas. I don't think their comms are as inclusive as Western ones.

>> No.7672252

>>7672246
that particular expat is also a rude bitch and called a lot of Japanese girls ugly, though, so it's no wonder they don't want to be around her.

are there any western girls who've gone there and made friends? Pie (strawberryskies) was always posting pictures of her running around with like Kumamiki and stuff, and yukapon somehow got in with at least Junnyan (which, granted, isn't difficult) so there must be at least one girl who's made friends with Japanese lolitas, right?

>> No.7672254

I'm now more interested in what westerners who visit often, who are living there (and who have lived there and returned) are saying about things. I'm sure they could shed at least some light on some of these questions above. I know ___ifwinterends is controversial but some of what she says kind of makes sense even if it's partially skewed. I've been hoping some people might speak up about it either here or in a new thread. I know one member is also going in August. So how about it?

>> No.7672258

>>7672246
>>7672252
Good, see, now some are thinking alike here, finally. Yay, sensible posts!

>> No.7672265

>>7672214
Now it looks like she's trying to act like the authority of 4chan >>7672255

>> No.7672268

Modchan. Its ok. You had a good idea but you should've ignored obvious assbone posts.
Maybe you could try something else another time.
If you like, I have a friend in japan who is into this sort of stuff. I can ask her if she's made friends and if it'd be ok to ask some stupid americangirl questions or straight up ask what she sees there.

Or something. Idk

>> No.7672269

We know what ita, itai means, and debu-chan, the trends we see in magazines and street snaps too though I hear Kera is eliminating one section and just keeping staged ones now? We know that some Jspanese wear basic Bodyline pieces but 'conveniently forget' where they purchased said items, and that Westwood is still popular and old school (what Misako called 'traditional') is enjoying something of a comeback. What else?

>> No.7672274

>>7672265
Oopsie...now that's just awkward, isn't it?

>> No.7672290

>>7672252
I was wondering about that. She only wears brand or Japanese indie things, is slim and not ugly and has been there a good while but her blog says she is often lonely. I'd have thought she would have cultivated at least a couple of Lolita friends there but it seems not since she's still so active (admittedly in an odd sort of way) in EGL and seems to go to things alone always.

>> No.7672302

>>7672290
>not ugly
Have you seen her face?

>> No.7672306

>>7671591
I'm most interested in their replies to these questions

>> No.7672310

>>7672302
Yes, I have. Clear skin, fairly young, regular features, no obvious defects. I did not say she is pretty but she coords well and usually looks nice enough. I don't think she's on the ugly side of the scale of western Lolita, all other things considered.

>> No.7672313

>>7672174
>"quoting"
>I just did you jew.

LAUGHED SO HARD I SPLIT THE SIDES OF MY HOUSE

>> No.7672318

>>7672306
Many of them are either subjective or have Ben answered, that's why I recapped a few, set others aside and called for some new avenues of info if there are expats who will speak up. I took a screencap of them though because a few would be interesting to ask should I get a chance.

>> No.7672321

>>7672310
Her nose is unfortunately large and ugly, imo.

>> No.7672331

>>7672321
On the scale of landwhale itas, poorchans who are so lolified you can't tell what exactly they are wearing and the photoshop selfie-chan purincessu, I still say she falls somewhere in the middle, lol. It's a moot point because with every little potential useful piece of info she gives, the cracked lens of her perceptions distort 10 more so it's like a treasure hunt sifting the info and always needing a secondary source for things she says to actually be believed.

>> No.7672349

>>7671847
>I just hate how they'll act nice desu ne to your face but talk shit on your back
Anon you can't say that when we have sites like BtB and this board.

Cattiness isn't only applicable to certain races.

>> No.7672367

>>7671847
>>7672349
It's more complex than that. You can look up tatemae vs honne to explain it. Very different approach to how we do things.

>> No.7672501

>Curiously enters thread
>Read thru this shitstorm
Holy shit...tantrums all over the place

Uhhh, for anyone who is genuinely interested in Japanese lolita fashion trends, I have a friend who is over there teaching English who occasionally checks out some stores for me. I could ask her if she's noticed any particular trends when she's out shopping. Just fashion stuff though, not any of that personal shit.

>> No.7672502

>>7672501
Sounds perfect, especially emerging trends!

>> No.7672582

>>7672501
this should be the only thing that matters.

japanese lolitas are no different than us, they are not special people because they are japanese.

>> No.7672653
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>mfw this entire thread
Seagulls can't even organize this sort of shit without everyone's anuses exploding.
I wonder what would happen if the 2ch thread was actually made and OP got bullied to death by Japanese posters and/or given sarcastic/troll answers to the questions.

>> No.7672667

>>7672026
I wish she would come back, egl is boring.

>> No.7672684

>>7671919
Ahahaha

>> No.7672688

>>7671769
You sound like a weeaboo retard.

>> No.7672694

Jesus christ, who the fuck cares this much? Japanese people are going to think we are rude waito piggus no matter what, asking some fucking questions they can just ignore isn't going to change a goddamn thing.
And what's with this fucking cultural hand-holding anyway, like Japanese people don't come here and act like obnoxious tourists and stand in the middle of sidewalks with their cameras and all that shit. This whole thread reeks of "I get my information on Japanese culture from may may!!"

>> No.7672734

>>7672694
>Japanese people don't come here and act like obnoxious tourists and stand in the middle of sidewalks with their cameras and all that shit.
Do you live in the fuckin' boonies? They do this shit all the time in any remotely touristy area in my city.

>> No.7672737

>>7672734
Can you read? They said they do.
>like Japanese people don't come here
>like
like = as if
>implying Japanese people don't come here

That's what they said.

>> No.7672742

>>7672734
You missed where I said "like", it was meant to convey sarcasm. Of course they do that. I think it's stupid to handle foreigners with kiddie gloves over something as trivial as a forum post, when they come here and do this shit all the time and it's not going to change their opinion anyway. But I don't watch Naruto so I guess I've missed out on the finer points of understanding Japanese culture.

>> No.7672745

>>7672694

LOL r u srs m8? That is literally all Japanese tourists do in any major city. Whole families, from great grandma to the baby, all of them with cameras, obnoxiously snapping photos of everyone and everything in sight. I pray you never have to stand behind Japanese tourists at Disney, it's fucking excruciating.

>> No.7672752

>>7672745
I was being sarcastic, I'm sorry that it didn't come across. See >>7672742

>> No.7672760

>>7672653
>I wonder what would happen if the 2ch thread was actually made and OP got bullied to death by Japanese posters and/or given sarcastic/troll answers to the questions.
Wait, you're saying whoever makes the post might get hated on in an anonymous message board? Wherever will OP ever find someone capable of putting up with that?!!? This is clearly not a place where that kind of thing happens regularly, nobody here would possibly be able to bear it.

>> No.7672763

>>7672760
We know it's you OP, you can stop now, fun's over.

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7672817

OP is literally the most annoying newfag currently on here.
But do continue, I still have some popcorn left.

>> No.7672893

I wanna see modchan's co-ord.

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7672903

>>7672893
be mai furendo nippon rori

>> No.7672927

>>7671652
>This is about creating a first source of Japanese lolita information.

are you retarded

how is this the first source of japanese lolita information? i'm so dumbfounded at this statement.

>> No.7672937

>>7672927
First source is referring to a direct line of information from the origin, rather than information that has been passed along like a game of telephone.

>> No.7673003

>>7672893
I...don't...with 3 fatty questions and 3 Bodyline questions, the natural hair one and the Btssb and Misako resentment points, surely we do not need a crystal ball to envision it...

>> No.7673010

>>7672927
I think she means primary source vs secondary in normal people speak. She still doesn't get it that if your primary source material you are polling (or trolling) for is rife with conflicting cultural bias, it's not reliable in the slightest. Might as well watch Secret Life of Lolita 1-3 as a documentary.

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7673532

>>7672141
Welp, I'm out to. mod-chan, your attitude sucks, and you're the biggest shitposter here. A lot of anons brought up valid points and said why they didn't like it, and all you did was get butthurt because "just let me do my thing, you meanies!!!"
Also, stop using your trip all over the fucking board.

>> No.7673585

>>7672893
>>7672903
If it looks this good, I'd be truly surprised. There were a couple of helpful-chans with connections or suggestions here but I guess since trip mod did not get asspats, she flounced? I'm betting that of the 50 questions, besides the few asked in the thread, most are her own. But lrn 2 cultural exchange, there are good and bad ways. Who watches 2cn, how often does any Lolita thread even come up, realistically and on which sub-board?

>> No.7673596

>>7672268
I'm sorry she did not even reply to your kind offer, anon, that's a great idea, I think. Even if you don't do it for modchan, there were enough interested in asking some questions to think its a cool idea. I'd love it if you'd do this! I'm sure others would too.

>> No.7673603
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7673603

/a/ here how come when we have a cultural exchange thread they go so much smoother than this? Hell we even drag a few of them back with us and teach them western slang with adorable results I might add.

>> No.7673606

>>7673603
because /cgl/ is never happy with anything.

>> No.7673620

>>7673585
There's one thread on the fashion board. It's been there for over a year and hasn't maxed out yet. It's mainly full of trolls and people asking stupid questions... hmmm!

>> No.7673657

And to think this could all have been avoided with the eternally useful epithet: lurk moar.

As in, go to fucking 2ch and lurk until you find the answers. If you don't want to lurk, then blatantly you don't actually want to be a part of that community and so shouldn't be posting anyway.

>> No.7673675

>>7673620
Not that anon, but here is the thread in question:
http://peace.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/fashion/1368187592/l50
It's been around for a year, and barely has any posts, so..

>> No.7673701

Why do people sage so much more on 2ch, even when they're contributing to threads?

>> No.7673702

>>7672141
I was lurking and pretty interested until you posted this. Your attitude is terrible.

>> No.7673726

>>7672141
I don't see why you're whinging about not getting enough sleep. You're the dumbass that couldn't pull themselves away from the computer to go to bed at a reasonable time. It's no one's fault but your own. Blowing up at everyone is not the best way to get results. Actually, quite the opposite.

>> No.7674053

It's just a form of modesty. It's basically a way to not bring attention to your post while still saying what you want to say.

>> No.7675051

>>7673701
>>7674053
learn how to quote, ffs.

>> No.7675052

>>7673701
I was wondering that too..

>> No.7675795

>>7673603
Because this thread isn't about cultural exchange, just to ask Japanese Lolitas a bunch of dumb questions. I serioisly doubt they have any questions for whito piggu western Lolitas but even then, that was just kind of added in as an afterthought.

>> No.7676630

>>7675795
I think it would be fun to have an actual cultural exchange with them though. Not am interrogation of course

>> No.7677839

>>7676630
If it could be planned properly I think it would work out pretty good. I'm still interested in this idea, but it needs better execution from someone with a cooler head.