/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Also I have a quick question, it's my first time ordering from tenshishop. On the form for a Japan Auction, what does second auction mean? Like does it mean try for a second auction if you don't win the first or you'll be ordering from more than one auction?

>>8386530
am i the only one who is just wholly disinterested in misty sky? not just the re-release, i've always just felt kinda "meh" about it.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-695154092.36.eZtleF&id=45596203201

This is the reserve deposit for this OP, right? What 's the remaining balance? I can't see it anywhere.

>>8386582
I think that that's the second payment page, not the first. Meaning that they're just collecting the remaining balance, so you missed the reserve.

>>8386553
Honestly I don't care for Misty Sky at all either.

>>8386553

Nah, the first release of Misty Sky had cgl calling it "windows background" or "pyjama fabric" and a lot of girls scratching their heads over why people liked it. It sold out anyway, and someone did try to make a jsk from actual pyjama fabric (it looked funny. The fabric was too stiff and the clouds too big and graphic). First re-release some of us were in disbelief that the thing sells out for a second time, it's just clouds man, no one knows why some girls want it that badly.

By now we're just bored of saying the same things we were saying when the first release and the first re-release came out. So all that's left as the ones who are excited over it to make all the noise.

So yeah, you're basically just late to the shit-on-misty-sky party, that's all.

>>8386587
I've been watching the taobao page for a while, the pictures for the new releases were up for a bit and these listings are new (less than two weeks old, I think?) so there's not really a way I could have missed the reserve.

They've had nothing but some blouses and a skirt for the past while. These are new.

Anyone knows if Baby puts the shipping costs on the packages?
due to their weird EMS rates, my order is some orders over my customs limits (which check 100% of the packages sent by EMS, the damn)

>>8386535
It's for if you want to bid on multiple auctions. If you're just going for one item, ignore it.

>>8386553
Plenty of people didn't (and still don't) like it. I was on the fence about it at first, but I'd love to have the first release JSK at some point to wear a bit more casually.

>>8386530

is that $40 worth of bath bombs

>>8386530

Crazy over Misty Sky, I got it in Navy OP plus scrunchie. My dream dress on top so far.

I feel too lucky, Even though I did buy example-socks, I even had to re-enter my card information because I hit the erase button by mistake.

Yeah, I like pijamas, I guess.

>>8386595
ah i see. i wasn't on cgl back then so i wouldn't have known. i've only seen praise and desire over the series and i just never got it. good to know that others didn't either and that i'm not alone!

Does anyone know how long it normally takes for Baby to upload the stock photos for all of their colorways? I try to bookmark reserve listings and check back every few weeks, so I've never been able to estimate a general timeframe.

>>8386686
when reservation opens, usually

I'm not sure where to post this.
I just ordered the jewlery jelly op in pink, and I'm excited, because it was my first dream dress, and I got it for like $100.
I've never had an OP with a neck like that before, and I'd honestly feel better with a high neck. And though I've seen blouses under OPs, that sounds like puff sleeve hell.
My two ideas were to either wear a (quality) t-shirt with one of those detachable peter pan collars, or to buy a t-shirt and cut off the bottom half to make a collar and sew it on the top. I'm iffy about both. Does anyone have some advice?

repostin from last thread

What is a good website that sells classic lolita overseas in larger sizes? I am not a hamplanet, but I cannot fit medium Japanese sizes. Do any other bigger lolitas have any good tips on this?

>>8386714

a) a dickey (iw and some gyaru brands make them)

b) a skivvy. Btssb had some, or you could go off brand for nice ones

>>8386714
you could make something like a dickey that you put on under the OP, so you don't have to actually alter it but you also don't need to layer up

>>8386716
innocent world shirred OPs are pretty accomodating, one of the girls in my comm wear a lot of their OPs

>>8386616
Yes, baby does put the shipping price on their package, sorry anon. Hope it doesn't get hit with customs.

>>8386716
>not a hamplanet, but cannot fit medium Japanese size
I know that this can happen like with tall girls etc, but years of cgl has ruined me so that this and '26 but everyone totes thinks I'm 12' claims always sound unlikely to me.
>ceeg took my soul before I could sell it for burando

When's this ap tag from?

>>8386716

1/2

Depends on what you mean by "classic lolita" and "not a Japanese M, not a hamplanet".

For dresses that look like the ones in your pic, Innocent World makes some of that style of onepieces in Japanese L size, which goes up to shoulder width 38cm, bust 90-ish cm, waist 78-ish cm (sort of rough estimate). One thing they don't tell you, though, you had better be 160-ish cm or shorter -- the average height of the Japanese girl is around 155, 158cm. So if you're much taller than that, it means that the bust darts will end up on your shoulders, and you will be trying to squeeze your actual busts into the waist of the dress instead. Very bad idea.

If you're about 170-ish cm tall, but don't mind jumperskirts, then go for IW long jumperskirts -- the shoulder straps always have a button you can move further along the strap to gain more length in the bodice, and the bodice itself is always one inch longer than the medium length jumperskirt version. Be warned though, IW really likes boxy bodices, your bust should be C cup or smaller (even C cup might run into problems with some specific jsks).

If you don't mind a slightly different style, JetJ also goes up to that size, but it looks nothing like what you posted -- JetJ kind of do their own "classic lolita" style, or whatever JetJ is.

For blouses, you can try Metamorphose, they have a rep for being a "fatty chan" brand, but that means their blouses are big enough to fit those of us who aren't a Japanese M size. You can also keep an eye on their site, every brand sometimes makes things that are a bit unusual, so even Metamorphose can end up making some dresses that look classic-ish.

>>8386785

2/2

If you're still taller or bigger than that, then it's time to go for taobao or indie brands instead of Japanese brands. Try clobba -- he's a taobao reseller, and he carries a few taobao brands that do custom-size clothes. He speaks decent English, accepts paypal and ships internationally, so you should no problems with him.

Alternatively, you can try looking up Lady Sloth or Glitter Tale (glittertalelolita) (both on facebook), these two indie brands make clothes to custom sizes, Glitter Tale accepts custom design commissions as well.

As a last resort, if you think your size is really difficult to shop for, you can look for a local seamstress/tailor and have them make something for you. Start them easy on just a simple blouse, then work your way up to some of the more complicated designs you like.

Good luck anon, hope you find something that you like and it fits you well.

>>8386769
the white tag only says pretty, and that was the name AP started with. so it might be an item from the time when they just switched to angelic pretty. do you have any other info?

>>8386785
>>8386788
>>8386720
Thanks for the responses! Looks like I'll be able to use IW's stuff and I really like their style, but I'm gonna screencap the big posts for future references anyway. Thank you so much!

>>8386553
It's pretty, just not for me
Also can someone tell me what MTO stands for? made to order was my best guess but brands don't make things to order

>>8386832
That's exactly what it means. AP has done quite a few MTOs recently as well.

>>8386620
Get out of here Seattle

Misty Sky wasn't the blood bath I was expecting. I made out with an OP and 2 accessories. I like the print because it's simple, casual, and I can wear it to work with a bolero

>>8386832
>brands don't make things to order
that's what the sacrifices are for.

http://i.imgur.com/G2O0WOQ.gif

>>8386686
>>8386699
not even, Swan Lake's reservation start date was May 13 and they've only since released one more pic of the OP and I think two for the JSK (none for the skirt).

Most likely they'll release the rest of the stock photos when the dresses get sent out.

>>8386882
I'll do a couple sacrifices for you all then

>>8386553
I'm interested in the navy colorway but I'm not ~*~IN LURVE~*~ with it enough to pay over retail, especially $400 and up.

If the dress quality doesn't actually reflect the price, that's where I draw the line (apparently that makes me a jelly-poorfag because I don't care to waste my disposable income like that?)

How's the quality of La Dame et la Licorne skirt? I'm debating getting it myself, but with the things I've been hearing about JetJ's declining quality, I'm slightly hesitant to pay that price for it on the website.

>>8386716
you can try Excentrique. They're not as frilly but have simple classic things in larger sizes

Does anyone else get really, really lazy about planning coords? I think it's probably because I wear Lolita pretty much every day I can, but I never find the motivation to put together "special" coords for meetups or whatever.

>>8386998
I definitely suffer from this. I wear lolita to class so a lot of times I just throw on the same coord I've worn before, albeit with a different blouse or maybe swapping out the bow for a beret if it's chilly out. Then again idk if it's a bad thing it's saved me from hopping on stupid trends before like those fucking skewer madonna 'crowns'

Is it just me, or does everyon seem really awkward?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhsZvQQCX8M

>>8386998
I'm guilty of this when I wear it casually. I only have 2 blouses and a few accessories, and I don't want to spend hours deciding on what to wear with my daily coords

>>8386998

I wear lolita almost daily, and with those coords there are some I repeat very often -- I think someone has pointed out that I somehow always pair a particular jsk with a black bolero -- not even on purpose, it's just the way I like to wear it. There's another dress that always ends up being paired with white boleros too. It does save on thinking too hard when all you want to do is get out the door and get on with life.

It's different for meetups, though. Usually I can tell how much I'm looking forward to a meetup by how early I try to plan things, and how much energy I can devote to it. If it's a meh meetup in a meh location and the girls I get along with have all bowed out, then I get very lazy about the coord, I can't make myself think about what I'm going to wear... and sometimes, I do make up an excuse and bow out of the meetup myself. I don't see the point in showing up and being bad company to other girls just because I didn't really want to be there.

If it was a meetup I'm really excited about though, I'd usually start my coord weeks before, have multiple options for it, try things on to see if the layering works out, road test hair and makeup and so on. Then the night before, I will have everything all laid out, or packed up and ready to go, so that on the day itself I just need to put it all and go.

>>8386853
KEK

Lush is so much better anyway.

>>8386998
yes. i feel bad. the rest of the comm goes all out ott sweet/hime with the scepters, crowns, veils and the entire floral department of joann's. i'd love to go all out but i can't be arsed.

>>8386719
I agree with this. Dickeys are great for under OPs.

>>8386553
I think it's cute on other people, but it's way too short for me to ever wear so it's not even on my radar. Hope the people who got it enjoy it though!

>>8386998
I'm doing that right now, meetup is on Saturday and I only have the vaguest idea of what I'm wearing. Mostly though it's because it got really hot all of a sudden and I don't really want to wear lolita stuff at all.

>>8386530
That picture makes me really uncomfortable.

>>8386530
ILD was pretty cool, went to my first meet, it was a small group of us (6 total) someone brought her tumblr sjw friend with her (I don't even think she knew what lolita was) and while we were waling around town she started to shout at people who were giving us looks.

Other than that, I had fun.

How long should I wait before leaving negative feedback? A person bought something from me on LM 4 days ago, I have sent her the invoice and also messaged her twice but I haven't heard from her.

>>8387497
id wait a week

Are triple fortune bonnets worth the price? In terms of material/comfort/construction?( I have a large head and am worried about them being too small) and even secondhand they go for about $200 and i don't want to drop that much on a bonnet that's too small for my head

so kera shop won't ship directly overseas, so I'm planning on using a forwarding service, but they aren't one of those places who won't sell to people who use forwarding services, right? (ive hear some stories of japanese auctioneers specifically asking foreigners not to bid on their listing)

I think I may have been scammed by a seller on Y!J. I won an auction 2 weeks ago, yet the item hasn't even reached the SS yet. Japan is not so large that it would take weeks to ship domestically, right? How much longer should I wait before asking for a refund?

Will AP usa stock Misty Sky and if so does anyone know what day?

Hey, can anyone tell me anything about this print? Psure it's AATP but haven't seen it released yet.

>>8387688
Has the SS been asking the seller about the item? Two weeks is quite a while. I'd wait another week, maybe the seller was out of town or there was a holiday recently.

>>8387703
http://www.babyssb.co.jp/reservation/siren/

Does anybody know where this hat / headdress is from, or where I could find something similar?
(Screenshots taken from Peachie's ILD video)

>>8387767
She made it herself.

Does anyone happen to have the name for this dress?

>>8387798
Arietta JSK

>>8387767
triple fortune has some similar hats

How do you guys browse Mercari? Is there a way to download the Japanese app in the US? Or do you just use the cached version on the website with no keyword search?

>>8387070
I wonder if it's everyone's first time meeting. Usually first meets are kind of awkward, but at least everyone seems to be warmed up toward the end of the video. Oh well, looks more fun than my loliday.

>>8387767

Is the base of this just a normalfag sunhat?

>>8387894
What SS would you even use for Mercari? I've never seen one advertise it as an option?

>>8387806
Thanks!

>>8386998
The longer I've been into lolita, the lazier I get. I think it's a change in mentality - when I first started out, everything was fun and cool and new, and now lolita is just regular nice clothes for me.

>>8387139
I definitely agree about the meetups. If I'm going out with well dressed friends or to a nice place, I will make up a new/unique coord and stress about it. I think having lolita friends does really make the fashion more interesting, and keep up the hype for me.

>>8387671
kera shop will ship to a fowarding service.

>>8387661
honestly 3F bonnets are pretty large, at least their latest designs are. I have a huge head and it fits very well, although it is heavy. You'll definitely need some pins/clips to keep it in place.

>>8387703
now that was a bloodbath no one expected, i cried on the inside when i didn't get my jsk

>>8387070
When the person filming is loudly and obnoxiously shoving a camera at everyone when they are visibly uncomfortable to get content to further her own e-fame, then yes awkwardness

>>8387729

I followed your link and did some digging and FUCK, now I need an excuse to spend $80 I don't have on a piece I probably can't wear anywhere because I'm all alone in this entire state.

I wish there were more socially acceptable places to wear Steampunk/Lolita.

Is this bitch seriously trying to sell a little girl's flower girl dress from a department store as AP?

>>8388232
An AP purse, no less.

>>8388232
must be the op of >>8382225

>>8387688
I bought something off Mbok once that took about a month to arrive to the ss. I'm not really sure what happened since my ss didn't tell me anything but the item was fine. If you haven't gotten your ss to message the seller yet asking what's up, now is a fine time to tell them.

>>8387688
I've had items take ridiculously long to reach my SS, like around 2 weeks. I'd give it one more before asking them about it.

>>8388242
That's the dumbest purse I've ever seen, It doesn't even come with a zipper

Ah gulls I'm freaking out.
I bought my dream dress and decided to have it shipped to me from my SS using surface mail. My friends all told me everything would be fine, but I can't help but worry about the poor thing out there all by itself, so delicate and uninsured...

>>8388371
You made a mistake. I hope your dress gets to you safely but I would never ever risk shipping my dream dress uninsured.

Any suggestions for parasols not from brand? I love my baby parasol, but I missed the last batch. Looking for something in that $40-60price range.

>>8388383
Target sometimes has these nice frilly umbrellas

>>8387070
I attended that teaparty, and it was the first time for several girls. I think most people are probably not used to being filmed, too. It wasn't all that awkward in person.

>>8388376
Yeah, it was really a stupid decision. The only shipping options with insurance that FJ offers (EMS & FedEx) have brought me pretty bad customs charges in the past, to the point where it has cost more than the shipping itself.
Do any other Canadafags have experience with different shipping methods and customs? I've only ordered online a few times so I haven't been able to compare that well.

>>8388383
ebay, there's tons of really nice ones in your price range on there. Just search for ruffle umbrella or similar. I got one of mine on there and love it.

>>8388371
It will probably take a long time like 2 months. I won some meta shoes off y!JP in April, had buyee ship surface and they just showed up today. Just have faith anon

>>8388383
Bodyline has some for sale now (if you don't consider them a brand)

>>8388383
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.63.nyjwBs&id=45258753477&ns=1&_u=91kmm7fsf878&abbucket=7#detail
12.5USD hue

When will AP San Francisco announce their Misty Sky release??

One of my packages from Tenshi has been stuck in "preparing shipment" for over two weeks. Has anyone have a similar problem??

>>8388542
There was something mentioned on the Lolita Updates thread about it being released this Friday.

>>8388623
I tried to get misty sky from her and haven't heard from her in two days after she let me know she got the JSK (no invoice though since she said she'd try to get me the accessories I asked for), I'm assuming anything regarding her is gonna be slow... doesn't 'preparing shipment' mean that the sender has printed the shipping label but hasn't given the package to the company yet?

>>8388677
No, it means that it has been delivered but its somewhere stuck between japan and the US.

She said she was working full time now and that her service was going to be slow because of that.
>>8388660
The US release is my last chance to get it and achieve ultimate happiness.

>>8388714

You could say... owning Misty Sky would put you on Cloud 9?

>>8388724
top kek

i know that this must get asked a shit ton, but what is everyone's usual monthly budget for lolita? when it comes to building/starting a wardrobe. either in terms of dollar amount and/or percentage of monthly income.

>>8388401
fuck canadian fedex
>buy $30 revoltech from hlj as gift
>$15 rush fedex
>mfw $20 customs charge

>>8388874
It really depends, I don't usually buy new releases. Usually my budget is 150-300

I went over my budget this month though already because I was a sucker for Shadow Dream Carnival however.

>>8388874
Can't remember what my budget was when I started because I didn't make enough to buy much anyways.
But now I don't really have a budget because I don't spend much on lolita anyways. There's very few dresses I'm willing to pay over $200 for and those don't go up for sale a lot anyways (I'm been meh about new releases for a few years now. Not to much that's made me HAVE to get it). And I'm not that into most of the dresses that are under $200. So my pickyness makes it easy not to blow all kinds of money.

>>8388677
Anon don't worry about it. This is what she said to me.

From Japan is having a decent sale. 2000 yen off all items you buy that are over 10,000.
Knocking $16 helps.

>>8388884
Canadian Fedex is ridiculously costly I find.

Forgive my ignorance about this dress, but can anyone explain to me what makes it so coveted? This auction ended for over 1 million yen.
http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r128439674

>>8389029
certainly not something I like. it's way too OTT for me.

>>8389029

This isn't a regular non-print dress, the amount of extra ruffles and lace on the dress and the extra bits on the cape should really have tipped you off. This dress is one of btssb's made-to-order bridal-type dresses to begin with, so to start with it's already pretty rare as not a lot of girls put in for the dress due to the price tag.

The price tag for the dress itself was pretty high when it first appeared, too:

http://lolibrary.org/apparel/arietta-princess-ball-op
http://lolibrary.org/apparel/arietta-princess-ball-cannotier

Going from 1.2mil yen to 1.4mil yen is nowhere near the 250% jump for some other aatp releases like Elizabeth, and considering how rare the dress is, this isn't so surprising.

>>8388874
I started tracking my lolita expenses including shipping and customs by the beginning of April and I managed to spend 900€ not counting what's still in the mail or at the SS which is around 500€ again. I'm just starting out building my wardrobe but I think it's time to slow down.

>>8389054
1.4 million yen is almost $14000, though. that's about 14 times the original price of around $1000 (1400%)...

>>8389105

Ah, my mistake. I added in an extra zero somewhere in calculating the original price.

Then, I guess I have no answer, other than the dress being rare, old, and this one seems to be in pretty good condition.

Is the LA comm facebook active?

>>8389029
A fool and her money are soon parted.

>>8389054
it's not worth it, this dress is ugly as hell

>>8389123
>>8389138
I respectfully disagree, it's not "ugly as hell"
it's definitely worth a 1k price tag anyway.
Maybe not 14k though.

>>8389147
I didn't call it ugly. I'm sure it looks elegant if worn right.

However it's foolish to pay over 1k for that thing. They're buying it secondhand from a person who just wants to profit. They're not buying directly from the brand so they're not paying for the name nor the quality. They're literally paying for the other person's greed.

>>8389154

>56 bids

it's not like it was one person alone who thought it was worth that much.

The winner won by 1 yen though it looks like? Man, if I was 2nd place and I wanted it THAT badly, I'd be pissed.

>>8389157
>tfw you could never drop 1mil on dress

>>8388371
I had items shipped through fromjapan with surface mail, it took 3 months to arrive! But it arrived fine, it's just the waiting that's annoying...

>>8389157
>it wasn't just one person
Yeah, there are indeed more than a few twits who placed bids. Kek.

So anons, how fucked am I for wanting the con Castle Mirage jsk?

>>8389267
The replica? Just don't wear it with your comm and you should be fine I guess
In terms of morality though...


But goddamn just came on to find that I missed a Misty Sky set in pink. How come no one's selling the pink jsk on Y!J

>>8389271
Wat? No I meant the navy colourway of Castle Mirage JSK.

>fuck you brain
>now you like it aye

>>8389276
Ohhhh 'kon'

It sold for 53,000yen on Y!J a few days ago, and for 66,000yen and 61,500 about 2 weeks ago
Maybe wait until AP releases another popular print and the price might go down, though it looks like navy is the most popular colorway of that release


>tfw I didn't like Misty Sky either, until I saw the pink colorway
>need to have it RIGHT NOW or else

Does Tokyo Alice have a physical store?

>>8389288

No. They have an office on Takeshita Dori, but there's a sign on the door telling everyone they don't sell shit there.

>>8389284
Hold me anon. We'll both cry over stupid minds.

Can you post some lolita related films and media in general? I'm doing some research on representation, so it'd be nice to have stuff other than Kamikaze Girls and My Strange Addiction.

>>8389300
> doing some research
> not researching yourself

>>8389117
Not really. The OC and SD groups seem to be more active.

>>8389300

What kind of media are you looking for, though? Broadcast media or does print work as well? Also, I'm guessing you mean representation of lolita from outside the community by "big" media (TV networks, mainstream newspapers, etc) rather than informal media (like YouTube videos).

Here is a recent video about the NY lolita comm: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/international-lolita-day-streets-new-york-article-1.2250859

There's also that "Are All Men Pedophiles?" documentary (I think it's called that) that featured a photo of a girl dressed in lolita who didn't know her picture would be used for that. And I feel like there was another reality TV show-esque staged show where there was an episode featuring a lolita as one of the"crazy" people on it.. but I can't remember it. anyone?

Really though, you won't find much about lolita fashion. It's not big enough in the US to catch much media attention. If you're doing this for a paper, it would be much easier to look at self-representations of lolita by "e-famous" lolitas, like LovelyLor, Peachie, etc. especially the ones that have "what lolita is and isn't" tutorials.

If you are okay with 'informal' media and still want to deal with outside representations of lolita, you should look at that anti-lolita tutorial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzSVLYS-HZE)) that got a response from someone who wears lolita (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y55g13kqjjA).).

Post on FB too to see what other peeps can dig up, I'm sure there are at least a few short (and probably hilariously incorrect) articles on lolita running around.

>>8389300

Weird Threads did a good one on Lolita: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwnmGod0OqM

i think i just found an off-brand dress i really like, and it's going to be my first lolita purchase, gulls! ;_;

>>8389416
Congrats anon, it really doesn't matter if your first item is brand or not, it really doesn't mean all that much. Off brand can be very good quality as well sometimes.

Does anybody have that coordinate picture of that japanese girl wearing Sugary Carnival but in a more toned down and mature manner? I think she's wearing a pink cardigan in it.

>>8389416
Which one anon?

>>8389437
yeah, i know! i actually tend to gravitate to off-brand pieces more because some of the prints i've seen are super beautiful (i'm getting a red jsk with a pipe organ print); what i like the most about brands are their accessories, since they have amazing bags.

thank you so much, anon, i'm so excited (i even showed my mom). i'm trying to find some nice blouses for the jsk, and i love the beg L474, which is sold out, and i don't know if a black blouse would be too dramatic.

>>8389443
it's a red jsk with a pipe organ print from fanplusfriend!

>>8389284
I'm genuinely surprised that people are paying scalper prices for a THIRD release of this print. And I didn't care at all for the print until the latest release. The more I look at the print, the cuter it gets...... stupid brain.

>>8389546
>I made this hairclip and ring to go with a strawberry btssb print I just got. I'm still new to making accessories, so concrit is welcome.

>>8389551
i think these have potential, but i really hate how you can see the glay texture on the frosting. what kind of clay are you using?

>>8388892
Thanks anon! I messaged her last night just to check in but I'll probably leave her alone for a few more days now. I feel bad for bugging her but also I really want my stupid cloud pajama dress.

Does anyone have any tips for whitening prints?

I bought a polka dot jsk from a friend for relatively cheap, but I've come to realize that the reason why I got it for a bargain might be because the dots and cotton collar on it appear slightly yellowed. I don't want to presume it is yellowed, but the brand pictures on lolibrary look so much more true-white than this ivory-like tone I have.

I don't think the tone difference would be that noticeable in pictures which is why I'm not freaking out or anything. I was just wondering if there's any way to brighten the white parts? Thanks in advance.

>>8389927
I got an AP OP for $100 and she said she dry cleaned it. When it came, I realize the sleeves were a LOT darker than the white lace.

I washed it on delicates and nothing bad happed. It improved a lot, and I could just let it be. I may try dipping the white parts in oxyclean.

>>8389945
Thanks anon. I'll hit it with some oxyclean and post some results later.

>>8389080
I started last october, spent around 3,000. Its been fun & I did quite well fir my money. But I can't wait til I've been in the fashion around 5 years, & have a near complete wardrobe.

>>8389553
That only on the ring, there was a flaw in the clay and I painted over it. Its polymer clay. I could always remake the ring or glaze over the paint.

I don't really wanna make a new thread for this, but are any of y'all going to the Royal Tea Party this weekend? Some of my friends and I will be there and I would love to meet more seagulls!

>>8388874
I usually spend between $50-300 a week. Depending if I sold things or what part of the month it is. Monthly $40-1,000. I have been doing serious wardrobe rebuild and have been selling a lot recently. A big protion of my expendable income gose to lolita.
I also dont buy a lot new and prefer japenese second hand ex. Closet Child.

>>8390110
>$50-300 weekly
>$40-1,000 monthly
Impossible, anon! Do the math.

>>8390120
I think she means that she spends anywhere from $50 up to $300 a week and up to a grand a month. Not $300 every week.

>>8389553
Also, thanks for the concrit

>>8389300
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH-AcR78wTQ&list=PL3gWn_4etc89C6bwynGVNJYyAzo4G0DxO&index=5
This girl makes funny lolita videos and talks about lolita on her tumblr.

>>8388874
currently it's about $500 a month, but that's because I've been doing some major closet building.

>>8388874
AP has had a lot of good releases this year. There have also been a lot of hard to find prints that have cropped up recently, so about 50-60% of my income has gone into my wardrobe.

i'm moving in august but have to start packing now, starting with my small lolita wardrobe. Any advice on packing away 7 jsk, 5 skirts and two pettis? I've never had to store clothing for over two months and i'm nervous about my lolita

>>8390209
I just moved and all my things are being stored. We had movers come and pack out things, but before that I put all of my lolita clothes into garment bags to protect them just in case.

>>8388874
I'm poor and do few, larger orders instead of frequent small ones. If I spread out what I spent over the year from week to week, I'd say I dedicate about $50/week to lolita expenditures. Really it's just me saving up a bit over time, though.

>>8390209

>need to move in 2 weeks
>18 main pieces, countless blouses, casual wardrobe, work wardrobe
>kitchen utensils, cutlery, pots, pans
>everything needs to fit in my tiny ass car
>at least I'm not bringing furniture?
>haven't started yet

>>8390138
Thats what I meant, Im not too good with the words today.

>>8389284
Was lavender the least popular then? I noticed it didn't sell out on ap usa for several days. It's the one I like but I don't mind waiting a long time if I can get it for cheap.

>>8390284
All the colorways on Y!J are either for a high starting price or people are bidding till it's just above retail. People are more focused on Misty Sky items atm so Mirage Castle's price might drop after a few more releases.

>>8390284
It was the least popular colorway of this release but tbh I don't think misty sky will be 'cheap' until another year or two at minimum. If it goes MTO i would suggest you get it then.

>>8390237

store clothing in the pans that can't be stacked. leave no space unstuffed. if the back seats fold down, don't forget that there are cavities behind the front seats still that you can shove shit in.

Assuming there are back seats. Good luck in a miata...

I just did the same thing in a Honda Fit though, I believe in you anon.

Okay what's the deal with maidenclothing.net? I was checking their site today and they have quite a few dresses I want, I suppose they're a second hand store but I've never heard of it before. Is it safe?

>>8389443
here it is!

>>8388874
Monthly for me it's pretty inconsistent. I started in January and have spent about $800 so far, for a few items around $150 each and a bunch of cheaper stuff. I have a half dozen good outfits and the basics to support sweet and classic pieces in a few colorways. I'm trying to slow down now, fill in a few gaps (blouses specifically), and only go after my most favorite prints when they come up for a good price.

>>8390373
I would do this with a sheer black blouse, black lace tights and shoes, and matching red in the accessories for a good starter coord. I think beige would be harder to balance, but going for sheers & lace will keep it from being too much black/too dramatic.

>>8390368
They have some rare dresses too, and if the prices are in jp yen most are pretty cheap

Ughhh, some newb on LM just gave me negative feedback even after I refunded her money. She wants to change it but said LM doesn't allow for such. Can a mod be contacted to fix that or is my scarlet number forever my doom?

>>8390407
thank you so much! i actually thought about a good pair of red shoes, but black goes pretty well with the tights i had in mind.

>>8389477
Wasn't anon talking about castle mirage?

>>8386553
that's me with AP in general

>>8387671
>ive hear some stories of japanese auctioneers specifically asking foreigners not to bid on their listing
yup. didn't stop me from getting my dream dress though. cue villainous laugh

>>8390452
Message a mod, whether they get back to you or not, I have no idea. What did the feedback say though? And how much positive do you have? As an experienced buyer/seller, I would not hold a single negative feedback against you. Some bitches be way too nitpicky.

>>8388874
300-600 usd per month. I've been in the game for 6 months so some major wardrobe building. Pretty much all my disposable income.

>>8390368
I got my dream skirt from them a couple months ago. They delivered very promptly and it was in beautiful condition.

Has anyone heard anything from peppermint fox yet since the restock regarding shipping?

>>8390689
oh i like you
but don't they usually see SS and get upset?

>>8389477
>>8390500
I was talking about the navy for Castle Mirage, but then again, Misty Sky prices are still... sky high

>pink OP with barette and OTKs sold for 79,000
>navy OP sold for 77,500 by itself
on auction and with multiple bids

It looks like navy and black were the most popular from the prices people are paying, but then again, the pink rerelease jsk hasn't come up on auction at all (though I'm still bitter about missing that LM auction)


>>8390284
The last lavender JSK sold for 33,000, the "dress" was 67,000 and the OP went for 33,500
Prices are still kind of every where for lav, since there are previous auctions with hugely differing prices

From what I can personally see, the only colorway that's selling a lot better consistently is navy. Sax, lav and ivory are all eh and probably depend on who's bidding at the time

>>8390748
Scared the hell out of me, I though you were talking about the petites restock.

Check fb for their updates, they mentioned they would ship today and tomorrow.

>>8388874
i currently spend around $1200 a month on lolita, which isn't really sustainable because i've been cutting back on my work hours since exams are coming up
i spend 95% of my disposable income on lolita, and have been selling a few of my older pieces too

i don't usually spend that much, but in the last 3 months a lot of the dresses that i've wanted for a while have popped up for good prices and i can't resist

>>8390752
so after doing some research, what I came to understand is that you have a better shot with smaller shopping services because they don't bid exorbitant amounts like buyee or japonica. So using an ss like tokyopirates wouldn't raise a red flag since it's much more personalised. And I always bid myself because I'm paranoid to have to wait on someone and give up on a dream dress.

>>8390727
also I've been very lucky to acquire all but one of my dream dresses (which is how I justify it).

>>8390752
Not the other anon, but my experience with this from a past dream dress: JP seller didn't want anyone who couldn't speak Japanese and verified by asking the seller to confirm it was for their own personal use and not for resale. The SS lied and said it was for personal wear and asked me not to blog or post about getting the dress. I've only done it once so I don't know how often SS will do that.

>>8390368
it's just another japanese secondhand clothing site like closet child. learn 2 google, of course it's safe.

>>8390368
You should read the where to buy on hellolace. They have a big list of secondhand shops.

>>8390759
Thanks, anon.

>>8390368
Yeah, they're fine. It's been a while since I've ordered from them though. If I remember correctly they don't use PayPal as their payment method and instead setup a gateway where you can pay by debit or credit.

gulls, consider this situation:
>all of your dream dresses are technically available for good prices, but not in the top cuts/colorways you want. however, you may settle for the currently available cuts/colors.
>all of the cuts/colorways you prefer most seem to be the rarest to the point where they take months to a year or more to even show up.
>this leaves wardrobe building stagnant as you decide which dress to get next, if any.

what do? since this is my situation atm and i'm trying to build a wardrobe, but the lack of preferred cuts/colorways is making things pretty difficult...

for example, my current dilemas:
>want AP JSK in pink, AP JSK in red is available, red is a secondary/third choice but it's also a gorgeous colorway really
>want AP OP in mint, AP JSK in mint is available, but for a higher price than typical (still a good price though).
>want AP OP in cream, AP JSK is available for a higher price than typical.
>want Meta JSK in lavender, Meta OP in lavender is available.

etc, etc. what do?

>First time tenso user

I just made my first purchase using tenso on the AP site, I received an email where they're requesitng me to verify my identity and address.
The thing is I'm paying with my personal creditcard but shipping to my boyfriend's house.
Will I be able to verify my identity or will there be a conflict?
I just want my burando

>>8389300
The fatal frame movie had a lolita with BTSSB clothes in it.

The fatal frame movie was also pretty decent

>>8391365
I settle quite a bit, particularly if it's a good deal. For instance:

>Want AatP JSK in navy, only seen it sold once for $400. Get offered the skirt without the waist ties for $100. Take it and am thrilled.
>Want JSK in black or green, sells for $500+. Find skirt in wine for $200. Love it, but won't reject the other colorways.

Basically if the piece is rare enough and expensive enough I'll settle quite a bit. Think about what you want, what would go with your wardrobe as a whole (eg don't buy something that matches nothing just because it is there), and decide what you're willing to settle for. Most of my dream dresses and wishlist are fairly uncommon, generally expensive, and in a style that is very prone to damage, so I'll always compromise on something. I just weigh the pros and cons.

>>8391365

Depends on how much money you have, how well the alternate colourways/cuts fit you, how obssesed you are, and whether it comes up very often/very rarely.

I've settled on alternative colourways, and in some cases the alternate worked out much better, especially when I was new and didn't know which cut to avoid or which colourways would make me look bad.

I have to tell you, though, all except three times I felt rather dissatisfied and eventually hunted down the cut and colourway I really wanted. One time the cut and colourway I wanted came up directly after I'd spent money on a different cut/colourway. I kicked myself so hard.

So, if you're very set on those specific cuts/colourways, I'd say only settle if you have extra cash. That way you can still buy the cut/colourway you wanted if it did pop up. This goes double if it's a rare print, because you may only see it for sale one time, it would suck to miss it just because you spent money on the second colourway instead.

If it's not something you're very fussy about, or something that comes up for sale throughout the year, then settle for the second colourway instead, the preferred colourway will probably come up for sale if you still want it enough to continue stalking the markets for it.

Absolutely do not settle for a colourway that does not suit your skintone.

anyone see this yet? looks dope

>>8391525
>META????
>LIONS????

HOLY FUCK I NEED THIS

>>8391525
>looks dope
nigger detected

>>8391525
didn't the preview come out a while ago?
love the theme, but the execution looks so taobao-tacky that i don't think i'll buy it for retail

>>8391525
Where did you find this. I need details NOW

>>8391632
That came out way more harsh than I meant to. I meant I need details YESTERDAY
FUCK.
I want this more than a fat kid wants a slice of cake.

>>8391632
>>8391638
nagoya meta's twitter
https://twitter.com/metamornagoya/status/608449037352710145

>>8391632
http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/reservation.html/language/ja

>>8391619
It was in the last Kera.

>>8391378

Once your tenso account is verified you can add new addresses

>>8391378

To add to that what I mean is you have to verify the address that's on your id before you can add your boyfriends address

>>8391662

I want to like this a lot, but I can't get over how cliparty it looks. It's like someone assembled a castle, a tree, some lions and couple of random things and then repeated around the dress...

>>8391723
Ugh, now I can't unsee

>>8391696
>>8391698
Thank you thats really helpful!

oh yeah, anon who wanted an angelic pretty yukata a few threads ago
>http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k186527970
comes with the fake obi so yay

>>8391525
>Lions
>crows
>moon phases
>creepy ass castle
There is nothing I don't like about this print.

How much should I expect to pay for a classic Babyssb babydoll jsk, second hand?
And
where to get better price?
Thanks

>>8391997

They regularly run 60-100 bucks on wunderwelt and closetchild

>>8391723
Lions look like Google photos under filters and high contrast, not hand drawn or any effort at all.
Designers's test failed

>>8391919
Watch it be three sizes too small

Is Juliette et Justine the same like other brands with preorders?
I mean if you pre order an item, you pay it when it is ready to ship, right?

>>8392029
Ah nevermind, I've just read their tos:
>We treasure all our customers equally at Juliette et Justine so we do not allow reservations on any pre-released items. We do allow reservations on the regular items you see in our online catalog, for up to 7 days. However,we require a down payment of 10% of the total price of the reserved item and the remaining balance is due within 7 days. Please write in the comments field of your order form the #s of the items you wish to reserve.After we check our stock we will let you know of the down payment total which should be paid by bank transfer.(Note that there will be a transfer charge.)In the case where we cannot confirm the payment of the remaining amount in 7 days,the reservation will be cancelled. Unfortunately,we cannot offer a refund for the cancellation at this point.

I was going to post this to the handmade thread, but I'm more likely to get the sort of views/opinions that I need here.

>What do you consider appropriate pricing for hand-made, to order indie pieces?
>How do you feel about indie brands/individuals doing MTO reservations? (Obviously having the pre-made pieces available to view.)

Ideally I'd like to make a small/medium and large size of each piece to show quality, details and how they'll look on the different body-types, then have MTO reservations - That way it's less out-of-pocket for stock, and it's going to have a better fit for a customer.

I was going to post this to the handmade thread, but I'm more likely to get the sort of views/opinions that I need here.

>What do you consider appropriate pricing for hand-made, to order indie pieces?
>How do you feel about indie brands/individuals doing MTO reservations? (Obviously having the pre-made pieces available to view.)

Ideally I'd like to make a small/medium and large size of each piece to show quality, details and how they'll look on the different body-types, then have MTO reservations - That way it's less out-of-pocket for stock, and it's going to have a better fit for a customer.


>I forgot my image herp derp.

This is a general bit of a rant towards all online shops, but, WHY THE FUCK DON'T YOU TAKE SHIT OFF YOUR WEBSITE IF YOU'RE SOLD OUT.

Browsing stock, fall in love with an item, but whoops, it's out of stock! In every color! And it's not coming back! And also fuck you!

What the hell is so hard about deleting a listing like every other normal store in the whole world.

I was going to post this to the handmade thread, but I'm more likely to get the sort of views/opinions that I need here.

>What do you consider appropriate pricing for hand-made, to order indie pieces?
>How do you feel about indie brands/individuals doing MTO reservations? (Obviously having the pre-made pieces available to view.)

Ideally I'd like to make a small/medium and large size of each piece to show quality, details and how they'll look on the different body-types, then have MTO reservations - That way it's less out-of-pocket for stock, and it's going to have a better fit for a customer


>*Forgot my image.
>*Then realized that my image was cut in half. Jesus christ, step it up.

>>8392082
you are so mad
please understand that sometimes stores restock things, and leaving up those listings makes it easier for the brands to update their stock (because they won't have to make a whole new listing for something they've already released in the past!!)
and also leaving the sold out listings up makes it easier for those brands to say "yes hey this is my original product so if you see it anywhere else they're just copying me"

so actually FUCK YOU for being a brat, lern2shop like someone who's not a bitch

>>8392018

>Metamorphose
>3 sizes too small

How big are you?

>>8392090

Topkek, I bookmarked links and kept refreshing every so often. Never a single restock, some of those links are older than 2 years. Still on the websites. Asked around too, just in case I missed a restock.

I am salty as fuck with a folder of dead links.

>>8392102
Well then update your taste or shop secondhand like the rest of us sweet baby child

>>8392105

Secondhand is my jam. Dream dresses haven't shown up yet though, so I'm keeping an eye out. But those links keep salty as a sardine.

It just feels like poor management. They ask prices that are very high for one dress (and lets face it, this fashion is niche and demands high quality so I understand why) but yet they can't get one intern to clean up their page.

This is multiple companies and multiple brands, so it's extra odd that so many balls are being dropped (inb4 that's what she said). It's an easy copy-paste job to put them back up too, so it just feels super lazy.

>>8392102
>>8392082

What shop are you looking at? Baby, AP, Meta and JetJ have all restocked before, just probably not the item that you're looking at.

Some shops leave the links up for the conveninence of customers who come back to see what they bought. The sold out listings serve as historical information, but it also serves as a gallery of sorts, so new customers can see what other releases the brand has done during the year. Otherwise if you go to the AP store you'd think they only ever did solid dresses, because most of their prints have sold out (and by your demand should be removed), which is misleading.

Some shops don't do maintenance every day, so they'll do like a "springcleaning" with the changing of the seasons and take down the outdated sold out items then.

And then there are taobao shops, where the system works entirely differently -- you can actually "book" listings without selling anything. It may not be possible to take down a listing until the stock is gone or the expires, so a lot of shop owners simply change the price to a preposterous amount like 999999 to indicate that an item is no longer for sale.

>>8392109
Well then don't keep the links? It's really selfish to think that brands are going to just take down their listings just because you missed out on something and you're mad about it. It's not a matter of cleanup, it's a matter of making sure that people can still find the source of a specific item even if it's no longer available, so that counterfeiters can't come in and be like "yeah this was our product all along!". They can't bank on lolibrary or hellolace to be up to date and accurate with their information, they have to be able to prove for a period of time that the item was indeed theirs.

>>8392115
listen to this anon, they're probably a lot less drunk than i am

>>8392105
You are such a raging cunt. Anon is right in that it is frustrating to come up against these listing issues, when if the sellers kept a spreadsheet and a folder for images, creating new listings would be as simple as ctrl c > ctrl v. Keeps their sites clean and makes it easier for buyers to find what they're looking for, and thus buy them faster. You can't tell me that these cluttered dead listings don't at all reduce their sales margins. Second hand listings are really bad about it too, dead cluttered links make up the majority of lots of shops. It's very common.

>>8392115

Adding one more reason: If you go to a webshop because you saw a teaser photo on facebook or tumblr and the listing isn't up there on the shop, then you know it hasn't been released yet. On the other hand, if they take down every release as its sold out, you'll be right back here bitching about not being able to know whether an item has been released and is sold out, or if it's going to be released later. So, it's better to leave the sold out listings in case someone is late to the party and comes looking for older items, not knowing that they've sold out.

>>8392118
What are you even on about
Why are you so furious of someone wanting to keep a public history of things they've sold in the past
See a thing you want? Oh, it was sold in 2013. That's okay, time to move on! It's not that hard, holy shit

>>8392115

Been looking at lots of burando and some random offbrand, AP is one of the links I'm saltiest about because it's got some dreams of mine. The thing is they can take it down when it's sold, move the pics to a "gallery" section, and just switch it back when they restock. No big. Other niches do it all the time.

I wouldn't mind a day or two, hell, even if it took them a week to switch. But months (and in a few cases years) with no restock is weird.

>>8392121
It's not weird, just just clearly have no idea how online retail works for street and high fashion items.

>>8392129
**you just clearly, what the fuck hands

>>8392120

Not the Anon you're replying to, but first anon to rant:

I'm fine with seeing "Sold out since 2013" if it were in a section clearly labeled as such. If a company wants to keep records of their old stuff, or their recent stuff that's sold out, great! More power to them! A portfolio is so handy to have!

But putting dead links in the "for sale" section is cluttered and annoying. Especially when they've been dead for a long time.

>>8392129

It works inefficiently, that's how. It would take a whole 30 minutes to set a system up, and even less time to run it smoothly. Plenty of indies and high fashion folks do it all the time, and for that matter so do plenty of other lolita shops.

>>8392135
Inefficiently if you have unrealistic standards for niche brands who don't give a shit about disappointing you when an item is sold out

>>8392142

Unrealistic to expect them to put dead links that are months old in a separate section? It's a div tag and a copy paste. It's not like they're moving a giant tower of bows from one side of the world to the other.

>>8392121

AP puts a big "sold out" banner over those items which are completely sold out. If there's no "sold out" sign, that means one of the colourways is still available for order, which means they can't take down that listing anyway.

They *do* have a gallery for all their exclusive prints, on the left under the categories they list all their print series one by one. With their current system you can click on the links and view both items that have sold out, and items that have not, side by side. So if you liked, say, Milky Cross, when you come back to view the gallery, it'll show you that all the main pieces are completely sold out in all colours, but in case you missed it, there's still some accessories that aren't completely sold out.

Your suggestions is double or triple the amount of work to manually copy the page to another section of the site, and then redo the links so that they work right. And let's face it, no matter how expensive the dresses are, moving the links around on a site isn't worth squat. I'd much rather the money I spend on a dress goes towards hiring someone to tend to my order, pack and ship the dresses to me ASAP, rather than pay someone to move things around on their site.

They're one of the ones that clean up their sites prior to sales, and at the end of seasons. If you look in the Victorian Tassels section you'll see the main pieces are all missing. They got taken down and moved around for sales, and then I guess no one put them back up again.

Honestly. I'm not very fussed about AP keeping up links of its sold out items. What I want AP to spend money on isn't webmonkeys to move their links around. What I want is AP to spend money on a better server so that I can check out properly the next time they do a big release, instead of having things fall out of my shopping cart all the time.

>>8392147
>What I want is AP to spend money on a better server so that I can check out properly the next time they do a big release, instead of having things fall out of my shopping cart all the time.
Please and fucking thank you. People over here bitching because they expect every item they ever see on the internet to be available to purchase at that exact second and I'm like why.

>>8392147

For my AP link, it's a purse. Not sure if they do the same banner, but it's been out and around a couple times.

For what it's worth I could be wrong about AP specifically. Totally admit that.

But it IS a problem in many lolita shops. It is annoying, and no, it's not anything so serious as to make me stop buying, but it's sloppy.

And "double or triple the work" isn't right. The first time they have to write everything, but after that they just select and copy. Moving links around takes less than 5 minutes. I used to run a shop, it's really not that hard.

Are there more important things individual shops should be focusing on? Sure, pretty likely. But just because one thing is shattered doesn't mean another isn't cracked.

>>8392151

Right? There's things that are legit complaints about AP's site, like the fact that it keeps going down on every major release, items in your cart aren't yours until you check out, it will return you to freaking page 1 of 3 everytime one single item drops out of your cart, forcing you to start over again and again and again, now those are legit frustrations from those of us who know how these brands work, meet them more than halfway by following their rules, and yet still face so many problems due to their server and their checkout system.

And these newbies are moaning just because a "sold out" sign offends their feelings. Sheesh.

>>8392164

Ok, because I named AP everyone's focusing on that specific site. I tried not to name a list, because I wanted to keep it more general. Sorry.

I'm not ranting about a specific site, but more of a generalized pattern of behavior. All of these arguments that there's worse things going on is like saying "You can't be sad your boyfriend left you because some people in the world are getting shot at in the street!"

Are dead links the WORST thing? No. Is it an annoying thing? Yes.

Be honest: if you could wave a magic wand and have every site run like you want it to, would you have dead links in your perfect site?

>>8392169
>Be honest: if you could wave a magic wand and have every site run like you want it to, would you have dead links in your perfect site?

Yes, I would. If nothing else, to make newfags like you cry and whine.

>>8392176

Kek. Is this the cgl version of "In my day we walked uphill both ways"?

>>8392181

"...AND WE LIKED IT."

>>8392181
Only if you think confronting a "sold out" listing is the equivalent of a task that is both arduous and obsolete in today's society (protip: it's not that big of a deal, holy shit)

>>8392158
>>8392169

Yes, but you're whining, and very loudly at that, on the lolita general thread. This isn't your tumblr, we're not going to coddle you just because brand websites don't run like your dreams. At this point people are really much more annoyed at your self-entitlement in demanding all sites run like you dictate, and your noobness, than sold out listings, to be honest.

>magic wand
Yes, the sold out listings should stay. Go back and read my other comment. Several times I've sent links to friends saying "see what I bought!". Three times this year alone I've went back to the sales listing to double check details on an item because it's not on lolibrary. I can't do these things if the listings are removed, and I don't want my money to go towards someone sitting at a computer copy pasting, I want better servers.

>>8392191

No ragerts.

Also, you do realize that you can code a link to autosend you to the new page? So if you've saved a link from when it wasn't sold out, and you send that link to your friends after it gets sold out, and the site has moved the item to a gallery section, the link still works.

And that is also easy to code. You coddle these businesses more than tumblr. They're capitalists, there's no need to not admit they have a poor system. They won't get their feels hurt.

>>8392201

What is the point of coding that autosend though?

For that matter, what is the point of copying/pasting or even making a new gallery?

Might as well just leave the page up.

>>8392201

And no one's coddling the businesses either, there's a list of far more serious complaints posted in >>8392164 that gets brought up for every overly popular release, and some girls have gone as far as sending in complaints to AP about them.

>>8392204

Getting people to purchase in a more streamlined manner. Putting on a professional and well ordered site is the key to legitimacy. The better a site is to use, the more people will use it. In the case of a store, that means more people buy. It's the difference of a meat-space store having a nice clean layout, or a cluttered jumbled mess. It's a billion-dollar industry to keep meat-space stores and online stores well ordered and easy to use, because researchers have figured out that it brings big bucks back.

Lolita is niche enough that its customers are loyal, and people like you and I will continue to use those sites even when it's not ideal. But it is in the best interest of business growth to make it more accessible to newfags and normals. The easier it is to navigate, the easier it is to join. The easier it is to join, the easier it is to spend.

Everyone else has ranted to high heaven about the bigger issues in the sites. Lord knows we all have struggled with them, and lord knows we all hate glitches and down servers more than dead links.

But I am a marketer dammit, and thus, I will post my petty tiny rant in a forum filled with other petty tiny rants. It wounds me that people who can make such beautiful clothes make such clunky websites. It's like seeing a pic of someone in a beautiful coord with a messy room in the background.

Heya gulls

What stores do you recommend for (red) lolita cardigans? It's colder than a witches tit here

>>8392223
The last thing we need is annoying whing people like you fighting for new AP releases. I vote keep the dead links to prevent you from buying, because I'm a spiteful bitch and you can go away to your little corner with your clean indie brand websites

>>8392246
>>8392246

Mmmmmmm delicious salt. How dare someone suggest my brand might have a minor flaw in their operating system!

The indignity of it all.

>>8392246
Could you stop sucking AP's dick for a little while, you are starting to slobber and it's not attractive.

>>8392246
>tfw you run out of things to anonymously argue about on the internet

>>8392235

There's two still available on AP's webshop. I think it might be for cold evenings rather than witch-tits-type weather though.

>>8392285
Fuckin kek

This week's IW newsletter seems to be saying something about a Vocaloid movi collab...????

idk, posting it here because my Japanese obviously sucks and I hope someone has better info

>>8392285

I am sorry senpai, they gave me only insults and no more delicious points to debate. I can argue with you if that will appease the popcorn eaters?

Or I can post more nitpicks about brand websites in hopes of luring out salt-chans for you. I got lots of nitpicks!

Also, Anon who wrote about dick-slobbering, thank you for backing me up, but I almost choked on the popsicle I ironically happened to be eating when I read that.

>>8392293

>I do a costume cooperation in the movie "fluid in brain bursts Girl"

??? wtf?

>>8392288
Thanks anon! Not sure about the price though.. Anything more budget friendly? There was a nice bodyline one but it was sold out. The other was covered in sequins.

>>8392235
ClosetChild is having a sale right now, you may be able to find one there if you're not specific about what you want. Milk has a red one up too, but that's not very budget friendly. Try Axes Femme/ Amavel too, while you're at it. Good luck!

Honestly isn't sucky websites that feel like it's 2005 a very Japanese thing? That's the impression I get from most of them, not just stores. All of the changes and advances in web design and technology seem to be non existent on many sites. Some of the western one woman indie brands have more professional websites.

>>8392316
It's because of the Japanese concept of advertising and media, which relates back to the vertical method of writing. Vertical space in the streets is almost always filled. Signs, advertisements, you name it. In populated areas, it's crammed with words.

They apply the same thing to newspapers, magazines, and websites as well. It's the idea of practicality over aesthetic.

Some companies are moving away from that, but most are still adhering to it, because what works, works. Don't change it if it works.

The best way that I can describe it is to say go to Akihabara. Look at all the wild shops with their signs and neon lights and jam-packed displays ... and then walk down to the Apple/Mac store. It's like walking into a completely different world. Japan is, in many ways, extremely advanced. But they are also very, very strongly of the believe that if something works effectively, it shouldn't be changed, which means you get some really weird out-dated things happening.

Another example: ATMs are now open on weekends in most large cities. This is a pretty recent thing. And even in smaller cities, they'll be closed on Sundays, because ATMs are banking facilities, and banks are closed on weekends.

Polite sage for off-topic.

>>8387070
If thats the burrito place in harajuku, that place is the best mexican place in tokyo.

sage

>>8392332

Fuck yeah, Chiles Mexican Grill.

>>8392323
That's really interesting. You'd expect Japanese people to be stereotypically all over the clean zen designs. The practical aspects of printing a lot of text on one newspaper site is kind of lost on a website where space is unlimited. Maybe it's just that they like both extremes and I've only seen the busy ones.

>>8392338
Well, there's a few other factors.

Screen space is unlimited on computers, but a lot of Japanese browsing goes on via mobile phones. Space is a lot more limited, so you have to get in what you can where you can, while not overloading the browser with fancy effects.

And then there's also the language issue. It's hard to learn to code websites when it's based on a completely different alphabet from your native language. If HTML had a Japanese equivalent, you might see more experimentation beyond the late 1990s, early 2000s jam-packed pages that have worked for the past decade and a half.

One thing you'll notice about sites that look more western designed: the pages will have English names for different pages (eg: contact.php or cart.php or whatever), usually because they were grabbed from template sites.

You'll also notice that they tend to look more like Amazon from 2004 than Amazon from 2014. In general. haha

>>8392350

Those are fascinating thoughts anon! Thank you for delving so deep into this.

>>8392338
>>8392350
So I went and hunted this article down:
http://randomwire.com/why-japanese-web-design-is-so-different/

I read this a while ago and it prompted a really long discussion with some friends of mine who have both been living in Japan for 5-15 years now. The author says things a lot more clearly and with more authority than I have (since I've only visited for brief periods, not lived there).

Can anyone compare how AATP's mens size blouses are in size to IW L? IW M juuuust fits me; a little tight at the bust but okay everywhere else, but the sleeves are usually way too short. I bought a size L blouse and it's pretty big on me, but length wise it's good and is very comfortable, so it works and looks nice. I want to try and find AATP mens blouses for the length, but not sure if it will be the same deal.

>>8392360

Thanks for the article!

What is happening at Regalia?
Is it just stalls and a fashion show?
I would have thought there'd have been some sort of panels or other forms of entertainment.

>>8389080
i probably spend $150 a month as of lately. Usually one main piece and some accessories. This month has been around $300+ because i have A LOT of free time.
I really need to stop buying main pieces and work on buying things to finish coords

I bought a $200 dress from Maiden Clothing and the pending credit card charge for it has disappeared and I haven't been charged. I can't find any record of it ever pending when I log in to my bank account online. I've also received the dress and this has never happened the other times I ordered. Should I contact my bank or MC? I'm nervous that I'll have to pay more as the exchange rate was better about two weeks ago when I bought it.

What's Girly-Cute's lolita webstore name again?

>>8392297
I'm guessing they're referring to this song https://youtu.be/Ey_NHZNYTeE

So how many of you think theres a chance of misty sky getting an mto?

I financially can afford to drop $600+ on scalper prices but I have a glimmer of hope that there might be an mto and money will go directly to ap instead of some scalper.

>>8391525
yes meta yesssssssssss
meta designers are the best

>>8392553
I'm still hopeful but with every day that passes it's a little less likely. I'm gonna give it a week after the AP SF release before I give up hope.
I managed to snag a jsk but honestly if they did MTO I would totally buy another dress, all the accessories, etc

Does Chibi Tenshi mark the value down on packages?

>>8392528
Not the sort of song I would expect Innocent World to collab with. But 'eyyyy whatever.

I've never owned AP and I'm curious how their cardigans fit. My bust is 83 cm, but I have relatively big arms by Japanese standards. Are they likely to give me sausage arms or do they fit a little loose?

>>8392650
I have monster arms and it gives me sausage arms. My arms are huge though so if your smaller than me you would be fine.

>>8392553
The more people who email, the more likely. Make spoof email accounts and send more requests that way too.

>>8392445
The charge will pop up anywhere from a week to four weeks. This happened to me too, and it didn't show up until my following statement.

>>8392642

I always ask her to mark for full value! I'm sure if you asked her to mark it down she would

>>8392642
Yepp, she can I you ask her.

>>8392716
I already sent 3 personally and got my boyfriend and 6 of my friends to do it too.
Maybe we should start a thread for misty sky mto emails.

Seconding this, scalper prices are ridiculous and the US release will leave several people unsatisfied, I've already emaild them but I never thought about making more email accounts, will ask my boyfriend to email as well.

>>8392360
thanks, that was informative

Dafuck is this?

>>8393255
it's just another general attempt at yet another tumblr "network", from the looks of it
except they're trying to be an ~edgy lolita~ tumblr network

>>8391662
Not so impressed with the photoshop effect on the lions and castle but the overall composition looks really good and I like the colors. The cape is adorable.

>>8393284
Oh yeah, the skirt looks great with a bit more poof and A-line. And how often do you see grey in lolita?

>>8391525
I love the green colorway of this, but it's such a strangely desaturated green that I'm not sure I would ever find anything to match it.

>>8392553
I fear chances are really small. I see a lot of people who got it and for thatI guess a lot of japanese Lolitas got, which are costumers they really care for.

>>8392088
Looks cute, but how much would it cost? People are much less willing to spend on non-printed pieces, regardless of substyle, especially on offbrand/indie. I would suggest getting a decent reputation with some more trendy items before going into what you like.

>>8393255
>"no pastel goth bullshit!"
>uses pastel goth bullshit font
also child porn is illegal and will get you banned from tumblr what are they smoking?

>>8393513
That's what I'm trying to gauge first.. Probably the upper end of $180ish.

All of the other pieces/sets that I'm working on right now are distinctly Otome and Vintage. (Which is where my target audience really lies.)

>>8393525
They probably mean drawings. SJW are very silly about protecting fictional children.

Has anyone ever asked their SS to haggle down a price on Mbok? And by a lot? There's a seller who's been reposting their stuff at the same scalpy prices for at least two years. They have an uncommon skirt that I really like but it's not worth even half of what it's priced at. Should I even bother?

>>8393577
Don't bother. Haggling isn't a thing with shopping services and pretty much no one will even entertain the idea.

>>8390373
Oh shit, this dress.

My friend bought the same one, and it was fucking awful quality. The fabric was really thin and felt strange, it didn't have nearly enough poof, and the placement of the print was really fucked.

I just wouldn't recommend F+F in general. I know some people have had good experiences with them, but why take the chance?

I think you'd be better off with a pretty Taobao dress.

>>8393675
fucking hate f+f and cosmates for shilling them to the GLB. why does cosmates even sell f+f if you can buy from them directly?

>>8393336

I sort of picture a coord with it in black x green, an all-green coord would look weird, I think.

If you're worried about finding accessories that match that green, just get the ones from this series. If creativity is a big thing for you, remember that you don't have to wear the accessory together with this dress, it's just nice that you can fall back on that accessory if you can't find anything in the same shade of green, than what Metamorphose produced for this series.

New general >>8393896

i put in an order for all dat secondhand brand from fril for chibitenshi but then i found one item for way cheaper on y!japan.... she hasn't put in the order yet or made any applications to buy as far as i can tell, is it a dick move to try to remove that one item from my order? i'm totally ready to bite the bullet and just continue on with my order but if i can get that item for like 30% of the price then i'd like to try