/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

This Boz OP has been restocked in blackxblack and blackxwhite by the way (blackxred is sold out now).

http://www.boz.ne.jp/product/detail/BZ6311.html

>>8729406
My Giulietta OP arrived (I got it in black x black, lng length). Based on a quick flat measurement, the waist is about 68cm.

>>8729430
Is the bust measurement correct? Or what is your bust measurement and does it fit you? Mine is 89cm and I bought the OP hoping it will be okay (it usually is with their cuts).

I found some aristoish store snaps (ekketakasaki). I thought they were interesting because I like seeing what people dress like outside of tea party events and photo shoots. Especially since EGA is so rare to see nowadays.

>>8729447

>>8729449

>>8729442

I didn't measure the bust, but the bust will fit. My bust is only 81cm. Sorry but I don't know if it will fit your bust, I usually find the bust measurements pretty accurate. The given bust measurement is 84cm.

>>8729442

Oh, I forgot to mention, this one is on the smaller side of their cuts for dresses, as a warning, sorry.

>>8729449
This looks more lolita/aristo hybrid than anything to me. The shoes don't work for aristo, they just look a bit too childish imo.

>>8729455
Sure. But then there's these two ladies. Love how huge they look.

>>8729430
Any pics of it anon specifically the cuffs and back of the neck?

>>8729767
Sure! Sorry for the lack of quality of these, and that I don't have any decent full length shots. But here is the shot of the back of the neck and collar. There's a seam for where the neck part and the collar part meet which is a bit bulky to get the invisible zipper past, which is slightly annoying.

>>8729767
And here is a blurry shot of a cuff. The buttons are gorgeous. They fasten through little loops on the side of the cuff rather than through buttonholes. The fabric is lovely quality.

>>8729475
Oooh they look like witches about to brew the sweet loli into a love potion. Me likey

>>8729857
>>8729863
Thank you so much anon, really want the short black OP but was in two minds about the details, these are much appreciated.

>>8730159
You're welcome.

For brands, here's my rundown:

Atelier Boz
Moi Meme Moitie
Alice and the Pirates
Innocent World (sometimes does pieces which are really Aristocrat-able, or at least perfect for Lolita-Aristocrat hybrid)
Atelier Pierrot
Sheglit
All Saints (some of their stuff from several years ago is perfect, especially when they were into neo-Victoriana suiting)
Alexander McQueen (accessories mainly)

>>8730209
to add:

>Antique Beast
accessories mostly, but also tops and a skirt (pic related).

>>8730430
>alice auaa
gothic items of higher quality, often pricey, with unique design details. they make everything from hats to dresses to shoes, and have men's sizing that goes a bit larger than AatP or Moitie.

a staple of gothic street snaps around Tokyo.

>>8730442
>Black Peace Now
defunct, but available secondhand.

>>8730448
>h. Naoto
another street snap staple, this brand has a huge range of sub-brands genres. items often have intricate details that do not show up well in photos but are gorgeous in person.

>>8730457
>Na+h
a feminine gothic brand. many items will be too sexy for EGA, but they do release aristo-ish items now and then.

>>8730209
How do I find the old All Saints stuff you're talking about?

Thanks for the stores, I'm making a spreadsheet right now.

>>8730784
ebay, and other secondhand clothing sites. Sadly, it's gone really downhill and more mainstream in the last few years. The sizing's gone American high-fashion, rather than being reasonably sized as well, since it got bought out. Pieces such as the Klaxon long bustle skirt, Katerina blouse, Vordana suit, Nightingale skirt, etc, were stunning, and are perfect for Aristocrat.

>>8730209
Millenoirs (sub branch of Millefleurs) also has some pieces that could be used in aristocrat, or for an aristocrat-leaning lolita coord.

This is the store list so far. Going to add a couple more that were mentioned. If you can add information that's missing or improve on it you should be able to submit those changes for me to approve.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19BTmZ11DF3C7R95JmlL2GFuaZYGgEAxMYzNBdJIUkJ4/edit?usp=sharing

Also ignore the image column, I decided it got too distracting if they are bigger.

>>8730810
These are really pretty. It's funny seeing them styled so normie though (pic related).

>>8731057

Doing god's work, anon. I suggest adding a link to Atelier-Pierrot official store as they carry a bigger selection of AtePi stuff than Lorina Liddell, as well as a bunch of other brands. I can't edit the doc right now otherwise I would!

http://atelier-pierrot.shop-pro.jp/

why do we need a fucking girl aristocrat thread? can't we just have an aristocrat general?

>>8731088
Do you mean I should replace lorina lidell as the international seller, because atelier pierrot also take international orders?

>>8731092
There's a boystyle one right now which covers ouji and half of aristocrat. Otherwise I wouldn't have specified femme.

>>8731094
Yeah, replace the link for Atelier Pierrot with the official store. They usually update with the new releases much faster than LL

>>8731097
if you would have read the thread people were complaining about how aristocrat doesn't even deem it's own thread and that the boy aristocrat stuff was just there cause there wasn't a thread for both. this is a really stupid forced division by the OP of the ouji thread who can't seem to grasp that aristocrat deems it's own separate thread.

>>8731103
Pretty much this. There's been a lot of people mad at the boystyle thread for using aristocrat and preventing an actual aristo thread from happening, and now this seems to speak for itself in that they should leave it to it's own thread.

If someone is interested in Western stores that offer aristo/aristo-able clothing:

Shrine of Hollywood
Restyle
All Saints
Heavy Red
Retroscope Fashions
Chic Star (quality is iffy)
Dracula Clothing (ditto on quality)

>>8731117
I believe that Retroscope is a F+F reseller. I read somewhere ages ago they'd designed stuff and then F+F manufactured them, but also sold the designs on their own site. Dracula Clothing quslity looks very poor, and some of the aristo-able stuff looks like cheap Boz knock offs.

>>8731066
It used to be one of those things where All Saints was a highstreet brand that could appeal to both goth and mainstream fashions. It was easy to dress it either way. It used to have loads of rather occult themed t-shirts and the like. I found a gorgeous silk maxi dress in there, back in '08, which was covered in prints of ramskulls. A ramskull used to be the brand's logo.

can aristocrat be casual? does the general silhoutte/aesthetic work against that?

and is sweet aristocrat possible? how much goth is required?

>>8731057
Thanks for the good work, anon!

The long length cut dresses IW do are exactly why I included them in my list for Aristo. Imo, they give the feeling of aristocratic lady at lunch by using the Lolita skirt length but otherwise treating an outfit as Aristo works really well. It's just a matter of carefully choosing something which isn't too busy.

>>8731243
A slightly more casual take on Aristocrat is actually what I sometimes use simipler Lolita dresses for, actually. Atelier Boz do stuff which is great for more casual outfits as well. If you want to keep the full length flowing skirts, I'd say that avoid too high heels, too many ruffles, non-petticoated skirt perhaps if full length, a more subdued cravat or jabot, etc. Less heavy on the makeup as well. It will still be rather flambouyant, but yes, it can be toned down a little.

>>8731243
Less ruffles and bustles, a simpler silhouette like you can get from Boz or Moitie is very casual in my opinion. Outerwear being such a big part of it also makes aristocrat seem less costumey.

As for other themes I think Excentrique is one brand that sells clothing with a similar style and silhouette but different colors. And then you get the recent underskirt lolita trend which can look a little like classic/sweet aristocrat.

>>8731487
she is too cute!

>>8731103
>>8731115
I was in the thread and thought there was some demand. I'm happy to make just an aristocrat thread, no gender specified. As soon as the boystyle thread is replaced with an ouji thread.

>>8734365
until recently, it was not an issue. a couple anons got a bee in their bonnets.

given the slow pace of each thread, there is not much demand in any case.

>>8731487
I want an excentrique corset vest so bad but omg so expensive it makes me want to cough up blood if it isn't second hand.

What inspirations do people have for femme aristo hair styles?

Also can people recommend good sources for full length and 3/4 length petticoats? Im looking for some decent onrs but not in tulle.

>>8734617
I recently found an underbust corset jsk from them for a reasonable price
I also want a corset vest they're gorgeous. The quality is great and the boning has some substance unlike the crap AATP use.

>>8731203
Retroscope did indeed do their own designs. F+F then resold said designs at lower prices on their own site, which screwed them over, and led to Retroscope seeking a new manufacturer down the line. They still sell some of their older items from F+F, but I have always assumed it's because they can't move it due to the prices.

Dracula Clothing quality is hit or miss because they get stuff from different sources. Some of it's nice. Some of it's shit. Most of the pieces that have lace are pretty gross, though.

>>8734852
>aatp boning is crap
Good to know anon. Now I know what aatp pieces to avoid

>>8734865
AATP also lace the lacing through delicate lace on some pieces. Very annoying! The boming they use is the thin plastic stuff which udnt at all functional. Yuck. I'm used to steel boned corsets. Leatherotics on eBay are amazing for both leather and satin corsets at really good prices. That's if you don't mind they also sell fetish stuff.

>>8734865
>>8734887
It's just not supposed to be functional in any way. The plastic boning is just there to keep the shape. The lacing is ornamental. Just to give you the corset look without any of the function. Which is very unflattering if you're not already very small.

>>8735238
Exactly - I know it's not functional. The problem is is that plastic boning warps out of shape easily if it's the shitty thin stuff in particular. Steel boning is far superior for this reason, even if you wear a corset for teh look rather than any real reduction.

>>8735238
The reason I think the lacing through lace is annoying is because I don't think it looks very neat how loose you need to lace it to not risk dmaging the lace.

>>8734617
Just get a versatile one full price as they hardly ever turn up 2nd hand and aren't bought up immediately. They are very good quality, so it is worth it. And if you're willing to pay $100 for it $200 isn't that far off.

>>8735291
That OP is lovely!

>>8734887
Ew OTR corsets almost as bad as plastic boning

>>8736670
OTR corsets?

>>8736682
Off the rack?

>>8737408
don't you want corsets to be under the rack?

>>8737408

Ah yes. Some are terirble, I agree. Custom are the way to go, if you can get access to a decent bespoke corste maker, and have teh funds for one. If not, and you do need an off teh rack one, at least go to a good place! Leatherotics were recommended to me by a couple of friends who both have both been tightlacers. I've also been recommended Vollers, but haven't bought from them.

I feel like this is such a newfaggy question, but I've always wanted an OP as close as possible to the one Mana wears in Beast of Blood. I spent an entire night going through lolibrary and hellolace archives and I was surprised that I could barely find any OP's cut like the one he wears in that PV. Does anyone know of any good Moitie or Boz etc dresses that look like this? With the simple bodice but the big puffed shoulders, it looks kind of 1880's going into 1890's Victorian.

Pic related, I don't know why there are no pictures of this dress at a decent resolution...

>>8738851
It will have been custom made for Mana. The simple silhouette is very characteristic of Boz pieces as a whole. I can't think however off the top of my head for specific Boz or Moitie pieces that resemble it however sorry. Kambriel, a US base gothic clothes shop, do pieces which have that sort of sleeve: http://www.kambriel.com/catalogue.html.. They aren't cheap, but they are good enough to have provide Neil Gaiman with a jacket for when he went to the Oscars for Coraline. Here's teh link: http://www.kambriel.com/catalogue.html..

I'll have a look though lolibrary however and give some thoughts. You might have better luck with going for a corset skirt and blouse or jumperskirt and blouse combo, rather than a one-piece dress.

>>8738851
Just to ad to further my post about Kambriel: the Isabella coatdress is possibly the closest to what you're after: http://www.kambriel.com/isabella.html..

>>8738859
>>8738867
Oh man, I think I remember Kambriel from those old goth magazines they used to sell at HT lol (Gothic Beauty I think?), I dreamed of their stuff in highschool. Thanks for the link, I totally forgot they existed! That dress looks very similar to what I want, but I'd prefer a matte fabric... Do you know if they take custom fabric requests?

Sadly corset skirts don't suit me very well (with the waistline placed so high), but I do have some blouses and a skirt or two that might be able to achieve a similar look otherwise. I love muttonchop sleeves and I find them flattering on my thin shoulders, but there don't seem to ever be OP's with them.

>>8738928
Well, they do custom fittings and such, so I reckon that they should be able to take different fabric commissions no problem. Please let us know if you get any luck with this, I'd be interested to hear if they do. Good luck! I've always wanted to get a skirt from them at the least at some point. I have a bat pillow from them and it's adorable.

Regarding the list of brands to buy form, Kambriel can probably be added to the list for Aristocratable Western brands.

>>8738859
Neil Gaiman looked like shit in that thing though, not a selling point.

>>8738851
Is this what you want aside from the colors?

>>8739304
That wasn't the fault of Kambriel's design though - the jacket and waistcoat were tailored for him before he gained some weight. The pictures of it made him realise he'd got a 'middle aged belly' and he started working out again.
He blogged about it at the time.

Yup, my fangirl is showing.

>>8739304
Yeah, something similar to these. I like the simple cut of the floral one in the back left the most, I feel like the bustle on the right one would be unflattering on me.

Any tips (other than wear heels) for pulling off full length dresses/skirts when you're very short without looking like a stubby midget?

>>8740046
High waisted cuts to elongate your body? And platforms of course. You could also not give a damn and go full witch like these gals >>8729475

Does anyone know western stores that sell hats like this?

>>8738851
Like these?

>>8734442
until recently we just had normal ouji threads and aristo threads separate. aristocrat is a separate fashion from lolita, ouji is not.

>>8741168
i did a bit of research in the archives. the boystyle general, as a discussion platform, evolved to what it is now at the beginning of this year. this year also saw several consistent femme aristo threads, but each with a different flavor (aristocrat and long skirt lolita, gothic lolita and aristocrat, etc.). prior to late 2014, there was no continuous general for either at all, just random (often sparse) threads.

the interest in aristo in has blossomed this past year, with the growing nostalgia for a gothic aesthetic. it's possible that enough people will be interested in it now for a male+female aristo general to survive on its own. but combining them makes as much sense as combining ouji and lolita into one general.

i'll post a poll to both gens to ask whether the boystyle aristocrats would prefer to hang with oujis or femme aristos.

>>8741195
http://strawpoll.me/6136158

>>8741195
Not that anon, but definitely want a poll. I'd much rather see female and male versions of the same style rather than trying to wade through the ouji threads. They tend to be a bunch of girls gushing over dudes/girls dressed up like dudes, or arguing about how old you should be to wear it. I get how people can see that aristo is a step up from ouji, but most aristo stuff gets lumped in or lost in the thread.

>>8741168
I'd say that ouji is separate to lolita. The way it works in my hea is that ouji is to male aristocrat what lolita is to femme!aristocrat. They're different but related styles which have some amount of overlap. Because of the overlap, some stuff can be applied at times to their sibling style. Buttcape's FAQ in this describes it well.

>>8741203
well ouji is technically a subset of lolita, it's like the tomboy version. most of my point was that the style was younger looking, and it makes more sense to group the mature looking styles together.

>>8741200
>>8741195

It's great to see its popularity starting to return, but like anon says, it's a matter of wading through the other threads. I think that I'd like to see a purely male + female aristo thread in its own right. There's nothing stopping us from going through the ouji and lolita threads and picking out what's useful/relevant to us as well.

(I'm >>8741203 for reference.)

>>8741207
Yup, I agree totally about it being much younger looking than aristo, so keeping the mature aristo in one thread makes sense. I lean towards classing male and female aristo into one style because it's a lot more androgynous in many ways than ouji is in relation to lolita, even though ouji still has an air of femininity to it.

>>8741200
past polls indicate the userbase is mostly male.

>>8741203
this is my feeling as well. additionally, most of what we call aristo is called either goth or prince style in actual fashion mags and discussion in Japan. the closest i have seen "aristocrat" used outside of MmM is "antique european," which probably conveys the same idea as aristocrat, but is less common than "prince."

>>8741207
for me, as someone who wears ouji and aristo (my style is generally to the mid-right of buttcape's Lolita Family Triangle), the sizing, styling, and makeup for each male style is closer to each other than to the female version.

if i had my total way, i would split sweet/girly ouji from more masculine boystyles, but that would serve only my niche, which at this time is small.

if other aristos would prefer not to hang with the princes, i'll of course follow along with that. i often contribute to femme aristo threads anyway.

>>8741225
I wear a mix of both femme and male aristocrat as my main style, but also use some lolita dresses in a lolita-aristocrat hybrid look (style like aristocrat but use the higher hemline from lolita for a more 'daytime' look).

>>8738851
Anon, I think I might have found something closer for you to what you're after, by Surface Spell: http://world.taobao.com/item/36032077227.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-3350482768.88.Ll4FcW..

>>8741568
>>8741160
No, I'm really looking for something as close to that dress as possible. Not just a long dress. So high neck, fairly simple bodice (it looks like it might be pleated/tucked but I'm not sure), long muttonchop-shoulder sleeves and overall starkness in details/fabric. Something very dour looking.

Basically I ask because I had been wondering if that was an actual dress that Moitie had put out at some point, but given the responses I think it's safe to say it probably wasn't. I guess I'll just have to commission something someday... But thank you to everyone that tried to help!

I was wondering if I could have some concrit about this coord of mine from earlier in the year? I'd like to wear femme aristo more often and will be building that side of my wardrobe up a bit more soon.

>>8745660

I'd go with a sleeker skirt, like maybe a Boz mermaid skirt. That BPN skirt looks like too much like a droopy underskirt with those tiers.

>>8745660
Jackets like that are cut too high up to look nice with such a long skirt. The longer version would be a bit better for the tails but even still it doesn't flow.

>>8745859
>>8745660
>>8745840

Regular length Rolands work fine imo with full length skirts. I think more it's teh pattern of the ruffles, especialy the upper layers, clash a little with the coat's length is all. I agree however, something about it just doesn't quite work. I think the skirt would work with a short jacket, however. Either a mermaid skirt, or something very full in terms of fabric works well.
It's quite hard to see what style the bluse is, and what style of shoe is being worn. Could you please provide clearer pics of these, anon? It's not a terrible outfit, it just doesn't quite work.

>>8745840
Thank you for the suggestion anon I really like the design of the AtBoz mermaid skirt so will look into purchasing it.
>>8745859
I would like to add a longer length Roland to my wardrobe and if that would help with long skirts that I can definitely see that helping.
>>8746019
I think you are right anon, I have reworn the outfit with two different short jackets and enjoyed the look better. The photo was my first attempt at aristo and there wasn't a femme aristo thread at the time so I couldn't get any feedback so I appreciate it very much now.

I have attached a photo of the shoes (mine are slightly different but it's the right style) but I can't remember whether I wore the AATP blouse or the AtPi blouse without the bow.

Thank you everyone for all of your feedback I really appreciate it.

>>8746272
Here is a photo of one of the other jackets I have worn with the skirt and a different headpiece and shoes.

>>8746272
>>8746296

Right, firstly. looking at footwear, the mary-janes are more suited to gothic lolita imo than aristocrat. They are a more youthful style of shoe, whereas going for a pair of boots, especially ones such as the bottom left pair, or knee-highs, tend to be better suited to aristo. Sometimes a platform shoe will work with aristo, but not always, and if so, they will likely be higher heeled, etc. A stiletto shoe can work. . A good bit of advice for footwear is look at street snaps and fashion magazine pictures of people in aristo.

Hmm... for the blouses, a short-sleeved blouse doesn't tend to lend itself well to when you're wearing the heavy, full length aristo look. It's a lighter, more summery look, or more youthful, so again lending itself better to gothic lolita. If you look at Boz's short sleeved pieces, they are usually their knee-length, often summer season, dresses, which are more lolita than aristocrat.

The knack to finding what works is to play around and see. Look at lots of pictures. Read guides. Just practice, and see.

You're very much welcome regarding the feedback. Hope this helps.

>>8746396
Thank you for the advice around footwear anon I do see how Mary janes are more youthful. I own a few different pairs of boots so will play around with them and see what works. I'll definetly do more research before buying new footwear. I hadn't bought any specifically for aristo (it all came from my gothic lolita wardrobe) so that might be part of the problem.

I definitely understand the short sleeve blouse was worn under a jacket and that was solely due to how warm it is but I will invest in more suitable long sleeve blouses. Are high neck blouses the best choices?

Thank you kindly anon before attempting aristo again I will do more research and buy more suitable things. You've been a huge help!

Can I ask how you became interested in aristo?

>>8746436
You're very welcome. From using that as a basis to start, your attempt's really not bad at all, just not quite there is all. Aristocrat's a more mature look than lolita, so some of the small details that work for loli don't always work for aristo.

For blouses, high collars / blouses with jabots or cravats are the most common option. You can also get away with a lower neckline than in lolita blouses sometimes, but it's much less common than the big, dramatic jabots and high necklines. FYLolita's article on aristo is pretty good as a summary.

I got into aristo via discovering visual kei, and having worn romantic goth as a teen, heavily inspired by Interview with the Vampire. It was a very natural progression, as aristo was a refinement on the style I'd been going for beforehand. What about yoursef? What drew you to aristo? It might be an idea to put this question to the whole floor, actually.

Can anyone give some detailed shots of their Boz or any other EGA brands? I always see shots focus on prints and no one tends to touch on EGA or the construction.

>>8746502
Thank you kindly anon. You are right I think I need to just commit more to it and purchase items solely for aristocrat.

I noticed that in photos. That's nice to know lower necklines can be acceptable as well. I have read it before I quite like it as well and have read a lot of the aristocrat related posts on the rosanitida blogspot.

That's rather fascinating anon that it was a more elegant progression from wearing romantic goth when younger. I'm happy you found it.

I've been wearing lolita (mainly gothic) for a few years but had been admiring aristocrat the majority of that time. I just thought I wouldn't be able to pull it off. I purchased a couple of AtBoz and BPN jackets to wear with my lolita wardrobe then a dear friend gifted me the BPN skirt in the photo above as a Christmas present last year. I actually loved the length. I'm 5'8' and even long IW dresses don't reach much past my knees so aristo was a lovely change. I generally wear a lot of dark or gothic clothing and very feminine clothing in my daily wear so finding lolita then aristo was the perfect mix of both!

>>8747211

Any specific things you want shots of? Because otherwise you're getting photos of black fabric.

>>8747211

>>8747251

>>8737423
I dislike both because they don't have enough space in the ribcage for me to even reduce my waist to compare for the bulk of the corset despite not being particularly curvy. I tried about 5 different Vollers ones in store and none worked for me. For off the rack I go for the Josephine from Isabella Corsetry and What Katie Did, I've heard Orchard Corset and Timeless Trends are ok as well but looking at their measurements I'd still have problems with my ribcage. I don't even understand why, I'm not particularly short waisted and I only wear a 28" band.

>>8747326
What style of corsets are you trying? I find that I can't wear off the rack overbust corsets and have them fit properly because I don't have a large enough bust for them to fit without a big gape at the top. So, I swapped to wearing underbusts, and problem sorted.

>>8747376
I only wear underbust ones. I've never found one that doesn't gap in the bust at least a little, along with the smallish ribcage I have a small bust measurement. If I wear an overnight it's usually too big around my boobs, but compressing my ribcage when i try to tighten it.

>>8748890
*overbust, derp

>>8748890
I was going to say it migth be worth you trying underbust if you didn't already.

>>8748894
Nope, same issue except for aforementioned brands

Do you have a favourite brand for headwear or a favourite specific piece?

>>8749983
I have very fine hair, so tend to keep my hair accessories fairly simple beyond using clip-in human hair extensions. Dramatic hair-dos are my main weakness along with makeup (due to having very sensitive skin). I've recently taken to wearing my hair in a bun, soemtimes with a small hair net/snood over it, with a small bow over the top of the bun. I'm going for a dressage (an equestrian discipline) look with it. I really like IW's clip-in bows for this. I also picked up last year from New Look of all places a lovely black cotton velvet bow. One of my favourite go-to hair accessories is a Fox Cherry rose corsage and veil piece.

>>8749983
I prefer Innocent World for clips, but offbrand/vintage hats are my favorite.

>>8749983
Offbrand/vintage hats.

I'd love to have this hat.

murder defense bump

How looked down upon is off brand? I normally do lolita but I have lots of nice goth pieces I've made or collected.

>>8757939
off brand is fine if it fits well and is good quality.

>>8757939
Yup, offbrand and the like is fine, and like the other anon says, it's more about nice quality pieces that fit the aesthetic. Things like bad quality satin or lace, like with lolita, are a no, wheeas good quality fabrics are fine. I've sourced pieces from all over the place, from various designers, and small local boutiques, to officewear shops (the very occassional blouse is useable), and Western gothic clothing brands, in addition to the Japanese brands. It's knowing what to look out for.

>>8749983
It might be a gothic cliche, but I like fascinators. They're what minihats wish they were.

They also offer the option to go a bit OTT, though OTT isn't really EGA...

>>8761378

>>8747254
Is this boz?

>>8761411

Yes.

>>8747254
That's gorgeous. I love Boz's blouses, but I've never gotten one because I have no idea what their waist measurements are like as a whole.

Photo is a closeup of the rose jacquard that Boz use on some of their pieces.

>>8747254
That's gorgeous. I love Boz's blouses, but I haven't been able to find details on the waist measurements for them. Why don't you list waist measurements, Boz, aside for on skirts and trousers?!

Pic is of a closeup of the rose jacquard that Boz sometimes use.

>>8761587
Most modern blouses I had are just massive in the waist but to be tied in the back. So you can get pretty small and pretty big but on the smaller side you get a bustle back like effect.

>>8761643
These the corset-lacing backed blouses that you're meaning? I'm curious for the ones without the back lacing as well as the ones with it. One of the problems I have with these is knowing which of the sizes to go for. I have a 68cm waist, so can fit into a lot of their dresses, but need the mens' size in the Roland coats which I own.

>tfw so many EGA items on y!j
>tfw no spending money till Spring

>>8764560
Know the feeling anon.

>>8767052
remember when it seemed a lot of lolitas planned to switch to EGA as they "matured"? whatever happened to that? did they outgrow jfash entirely?

>>8769018
No idea, probably depends on the individual. Would be interesting to find out. Realising that one can just adapt their style and not have to leave lolita completely, or just carry on, is also possible.

hat goals

>>8771412
Not sure about the top right one, but the others are lovely.

>>8769018
Most went to otome instead or just kept on with lolita. Makes sense as it's a lot more wearable for normalfags and EGA is basically a whole new wardrobe

>>8747211

>>8729406
this is more cringe worthy than those tumblr lolitas wearing fairy hijabs
when will you idoits realize that religious wear isn't fashionable

>>8772174
Clothing isn't inherently religious. There's an endless variety of cuts, color and fabric combinations which carried a religious meaning for some people at some time. That doesn't mean you aren't ever allowed to design or wear something resembling that. Or do you actually think that dress is too identical to what nuns wear today and will lead to confusion?

>>8772174
>religious wear isn't fashionable
religion and fashion have been influencing each other for as long as each has existed, don't be silly.

gothic clothing has always been heavy on religious motifs as well.

also this >>8773140

>>8772174
Do you realise as well that the habits and dresses that nuns traditionally wore is actually just based on Medieval womens' clothing? All women used to have to have their hair covered due to modesty laws, yes, even in *Christian* Europe?
'Nun-dresses' are currently very trendy in Lolita fashion as well, and Boz have been putting these dresses out for years. In the colourway with the white collar, it looks a bit more nun-like, but in person, the all black doesn't look quite so obviously nun-slike. Plus, in nuns' dresses, the cowl part over the shoulders is part of the wimple, which is a headdress/veil. The cowl on the Boz dress is sat on the shoulders and not around the neck. I'm saying this as someone who doesn't like wearing crosses on my clothing as it feels too close to dressing in religious fashion. This isn't the same as those wearing hijab because it's 'trendy'.

>>8772174
Do you realise as well that the habits and dresses that nuns traditionally wore is actually just based on Medieval womens' clothing? All women used to have to have their hair covered due to modesty laws, yes, even in *Christian* Europe?
'Nun-dresses' are currently very trendy in Lolita fashion as well, and Boz have been putting these dresses out for years. In the colourway with the white collar, it looks a bit more nun-like, but in person, the all black doesn't look quite so obviously nun-slike. Plus, in nuns' dresses, the cowl part over the shoulders is related to the wimple, which is a headdress/veil, which has a part which goes under the chin. Look up head coverings for women in the Middle Ages. The cowl on the Boz dress is sat off the shoulders and not around the neck. I'm saying this as someone who doesn't like wearing crosses on my clothing as it feels too close to dressing in religious fashion. This isn't the same as those wearing hijab because it's 'trendy'.

>>8772174
Its... a black dress, anon. Please douche out your vag since you seem to have a sand problem.

>>8739304
I love those designs. Did an image search, found a blog in Japanese of the designer I think but I could barely make out anything but I don't think these are available for sale? Can anyone deny/confirm this?

>>8775878
They have an online shop.

http://sincerely.babyblue.jp/index001.htm

>>8775897
thanks for the link, never heard of them before

>>8775897
>Be >>8738851
>check link
>image on front page is basically exactly what I want
Fuck, but it seems like their order page says they're backed up and orders are closed? I'll have to keep them in mind though. Thanks so much for the link, anon!

>>8775897
Falling in love with Sincerely and their buddy brand Moon Afternoon is a cruel joke. I don't really understand how to order from them online and it seems you just have to catch them at Japanese indie brand markets.

>>8782275
that fucking sucks.

are there any indie Western brands that make EGA? gothic brands seem good for accessories and blouses and such but for main pieces i have found them to not fit what i think of as EGA.

pic related, a Heavy Red blouse for $66 dollars. the price seems good but does anyone have experience with their clothes?

>>8786918
Would really love to find something decent that's not Retroscope, or having tacky goth shops such as Dracula Clothing being recommended (so sick of having friends send me links to their crap). I find the Japanese mens size blouses too big on the body, but the ladies sizes are often too short on the sleeves.

>>8786918
>>8787426
Nothing good over here? >>8731057

Does anyone have a big ega wardrobe and is planning to make a wardobe post?

>>8788590
I don't have good enough lightning/space to make a decent post sadly, to fully show off my wardrobe properly. I have a decent sized wardrobe, but blouses are one of those items I tend to get from a mix of places but nothing consistently regular as a reliable source that's not say Boz or AatP.

>>8788649
Aww, no natural lighting and a white blanket?

I'll be taking pictures of my pathetic one year collection if the sun shines again tomorrow.

>>8789006
Sadly the light in my bedroom is crap for decent detail photos, and I don't like putting my clothes on the floor even on a sheet. I'd love a dress form someday if I had the space. I love seeing aristocrat wardrobes. Porphyria's Ash, iirc, had an amazing wardrobe a few years ago.

>>8788590
desu i forgot about the list

>>8788590
>Does anyone have a big ega wardrobe and is planning to make a wardobe post?
mine is too small to bother right now.

are all the wardrobe posts public? would i have to make an account to see them all?

goals

>>8799248
but for the hair

>>8799268
i think it works with the outfit, but i am a noob. what would be better?

>tfw this thread and EGA in general are basically dead