/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>8964797
blouseless is a shitty idea and always takes away from the lolita look, even when a cardigan or shawl is worn. yourself a favor and delete this thread

I think blouseless look can be very cute sometimes, but it doesn't feel like full lolita to me.

>>8964801
What's with the salt? People have opinions, they might be different to yours, get over it.

>>8964797
>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
I always do. I've never had a single loliable blouse.
>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
Yes, I just wear an appropriate alternative such as a bolero, cardigan, or blazer. I'm referring to my jsks. With OPs it isn't necessary and I couldn't get away with a skirt and no top.
>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Oodles. Also I find brand photoshoots like OP pic to be really cute.
>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
Not really. It's more dependent on the type of brand in question. If it's an underbust jsk or skirt there's really no getting around it. But most jsks and OPs don't require it.
>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
Sailor, mostly because it has that rockabilly aesthetic to it. I'd just be careful about labeling it lolita, as it could cause butthurt.
Also sweet.
I see blouses as requirements for OTT classic and most goth styles.
>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
See my reference about the underbust jsk. Some garments just won't be able to handle no blouse. For the most part, jsks are safest however.
>Any other comments?
If you're not new and know how to coord, I wouldn't worry about it. I think the reason why cgl is hard on 'no blouse' in writing is because they don't know if they're dealing with an ita. Also, some newfags on cgl try really hard to sound oldfaggish by saying that, but really, most of us who've been in the fashion for 5+ years have seen a lot and know it can be done. So yeah.

>>8964810
It's just trollchan looking to b8. Ignore the annoying she-beast. Report if she strays too much from the topic.

>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
I've gone blouseless a lot, usually in hot weather. I wear Lolita very often and wearing a blouse isn't always practical.
>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
I'm not sure, it would depend on the weather. I'd probably wear a blouse unless it was quite warm.
>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Yes
>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
Not really. I think a coord feels bottom heavy if someone's wearing OTKs without a blouse, I think ankle socks like OP's pic make it look a lot better.
>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
I'm not sure, I haven't really seen enough no-blouse coords in different styles to figure it out.
>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
I think low waist jsks look odd without a blouse.
>Any other comments?
I think for casual Lolita it isn't really an issue, or if you wear Lolita often and don't post pictures all the time. I think it's unusual that people are strict about blouses and yet really crazy trends that take away from the overall look of Lolita come and go, but to each their own.

>>8964797
This blouseless look isn't bad but those shoes clash so bad

>>8964801
>>8964815
Why should anyone listen to you when you can't even form complete sentences?
Also, calm your shit man. Just because we discuss something on this board on a site like 4chan, doesn't make something so. It's not like everyone is gonna ditch blouses for lolita just because we have a conversation about it.

You've really got a problem here. And no one else does.

>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
No, I'm too top heavy for it. I only recommend it for girls who are really petite and it's super hot out.

>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
If weather permitted, I'd probably wear something really sheer over a dress.

>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Yeah, lots of them. They look fine. Some of them still have silhouette too. I mean, we already wear sheer clothing with lolita and you can see people's shoulders through the cloth.

>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
It can, yeah. Like I said, only for certain circumstances and if the girls is petite enough to pull it off.

>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
Sailor and Country.

>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
Yeah, the dress needs to look like it can go without it. I mean, even some OPs are made to look like there is a blouse underneath. And some JSKs look more like summery dresses.

>>8964797
Imo I think brands don't really think about the lolita look too much when they design dresses. They rather think about a "cute summerly girly look" or a "pompous ruffly princess". Looking at AP's miniskirt they just sell cute girly clothing which can be worn in lolita fashion, but doesn't have to.

>>8964833
AP miniskirts aren't designed for lolita. most of them and their other casual shit came out when fairykei was at the height of popularity.

>>8964797
I think JSK need a blouse or something over to be a complete lolita coord. I often wear mine without a blouse in summer but I don't post these looks as lolita or wear that to a meetup. As with runway or magazine, it often shows different styling than how the item is usually worn. Until the end of time there will always be a comment about it if a JSK is worn blouse-less. AP styling books and Lolita bible have been often showing no blouse in summer coords for a long time. Still most people like the blouse better always.

I think people need to be less afraid of breaking the rules.
That's how fashion evolves after all.

I thought this was a new larme thread from the picture. I think lolita can be blouseless, but there are a lot of things going on in this photo that make it not so lolita besides the no blouse thing.

>>8964849
People can wear what they like, always.
But they need to learn to take the comments if they post in a group or thread too.
Also with lolita it evolves slowly and devolves easily.

the no-blouse thing comes from japanese culture specifically. it's really rude to wear clothes that would expose your armpits(again armpits not shoulders) because it's not ladylike. it makes sense with lolita because it's about being really lady like and princessy. it's never had anything to do with the shoulders.

also, lolita is a fashion community driven at that, it changes with time. ideas and ideals change and grow, and that's fine, it's great. however, things that stick over time are majority based as hard as that is for some people to accept. some things will always be considered lolita, some things never will. and people just need to accept that and get over themselves otherwise everyone else will move foward without them.

>>8964849
This.

>>8964826
I should have filled out the comments part.
Here it is anyway.

What is up with everyone on here consistently bashing the Japanese for this fashion? And why are so many quick to jump to the "oh well just because they do it" response?
They fucking created this fashion, shouldn't we be listening to them about it?? I mean, isn't that why we pay attention to street snaps?

>>8964797
>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
Yes I have.

>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
I do with friends from who I know they also think a blouse isn't necessarily in all cases.

>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Yes, some dresses look awful with.

>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
No, it really depends on the balance. Sometimes it's needed. Sometimes it will look very ugly with.

>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
Punk, Ero (duhh), guro, Gothic and more "mature" (can't come up with a better word) styles work fine without.

Sailor JSK kinda always need a blouse, because otherwise they become rockabilly really quick.
Ott sweet looks also most of the time beter with.

>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
Yes. It has to balance out after all.

>Any other comments?
It's not strange that people speak more openly about going blouseless. It's just another fashion swift.
Before 2010 it wasn't really a issue. After it became a no-go. And in a couple years from now we'll probably swift to going blouseless most of the time. And after that we'll go back to blouses.

Fashion is like a pendulum.

>>8964859
>take the comments
what do you mean by this?

>>8964864
kill yourself

>>8964870
So you don't know how to communicate other than just memes?

>>8964870
>didn't know how to answer the questions so instead resorted to anger
You seem weak.

>>8964878
seriously, kill yourself

it'll help me get off

>>8964869
Not get mad when people point out things that are unusual. If people post a coord that breaks any rules in a group or forum, they should expect lots of comments saying so and not get mad. You can wear what you like but if you make departures you should be able to take the comments telling you so and not start a fight over it. That is a major problem I see when some people post things that break rules or are too unusual. They expect people to just accept it and in lolita fashion groups, they will not, they will comment about it. Then it makes an arguement.

>>8964842
This is exactly what I said though. They design cute shit and most of it can be used in lolita. The miniskirts show that it not a lolita-exclusive brand.

>>8964883
Again. Trolling.

>>8964888
How do you know they are in fact mad and not just responding? Why does everyone here read into a tone that isn't there in most posts?
You should be able to respond to people who are saying things to you. Not just "take it". You make it sound like word rape or something.
(inb4 tumblrsjw) but no one has to take anything.

>>8964900
tumblr pls go with your special snowflake syndrome

The only styles I like blouseless coords in are himegyaru style hime, (well done) ero, and country. It just looks strange to me otherwise. If larme and Lolita cross over at some point, I would love to see blouseless coords.

>>8964903
How about you answer a god damn question instead of speaking in memes?

>>8964903
Hey why don't you just take it tho?

>>8964900
Maybe 'take' is the wrong word. If you depart from the usual and put that out in a public place, people will comment so you should expect it and not get angry. Defending the departure by other than saying 'I just wanted to, I know it is not usual' mostly starts an arguement.
To be fair, most girls do not look like Risa in blouse-less lolita, for starters, so that aesthetic gets mentioned as well.
Many of us with JSK wear them blouseless in hot weather, especially if we wear our Lolita clothes a lot but we but choose not to post them in public places for lolita coords because we do not want to hear the comments about it. That's all I'm saying.

>>8964903
Take it anon. Take the armpits.

>>8964917
And when this was first posted there were several comments about 'no blouse'.

>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
I have a few times yes on extremely hot days or trips to the beach.
>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
Yes, but I do wear a cardigan or bolero just in case.
>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Yes. A few.
>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
Hmm 80% of the time, yes. I find it takes that special kind of dress to not wear a blouse and for it still to be lolita. Casual lolita is also good but again it is still casual.
>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
I think all styles can work. Its not about the style, its about HOW you style it.
>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
Yes. A sailor jsk can look good without a blouse if it has a built in collar but a hime over the top frilly jsk may need a lot of work before it can go blouseless.
>Any other comments?
Its all about how you wear it and how good you can coordinate it without a blouse.

>>8964918
>you should expect it and not get angry.
Yeah, I totally agree with that.

>To be fair, most girls do not look like Risa in blouse-less lolita
Yup, and that's why I said in my post that only certain people can pull it off. I put on a JSK without a blouse the other day and nope, that is never a look I can wear. but other girls totally can.

>>8964924
You're still not taking it!

>>8964923
I always dislike a jsk without blouse, but that's the only jsk I think it looks bad with one

>>8964926
I think this coord is lovely and styled correctly for Lolita without a blouse but there are a whole bunch of lolitas who have already said (in anon mode, of course) that JetJ has departed completely from lolita style fashion and isn't even really a lolita brand anymore because of styling like this. I'm not sure what percentage of that is fatness, not being able to afford their dresses or both though. At least in a Facebook discussion most people stay civil because they aren't anon. This discussion would be a lot better in RC.

Misako anyone?

>>8964931
I don't have a problem with how people wear it, wrong person. I have a problem with the big arguments caused in groups because one person does something different, most say they don't like it and the OP of the post fights to the death to defend it. Just have the guts to wear it already and not get defensive when someone tells you what you already know, 'that's not traditional lolita'. Why is that so hard?

Someone recently posted a Larme influenced Lolita coord, people mentioned it showed shoulder, OP said 'yes, I know, I'm trying something new' and the group went on with no shitshow fight.

>>8964943
misako is a shit Lolita and supports rape

>>8964943
Misako wears things how she is styled for posed photo shoots, as all models do. That doesn't mean they like it or will wear it if given personal choice or in their off time. Many models dress like bag ladies when not working.

>>8964943
I know Misako does not choose this style for her own personal Lolita wear because if you look at her closet and personal photos, she most often wears long sleeves because she whitens her face makeup quite a few shades and rarely shows her natural darker color skin unless in a photo like this. Think about it and look at her personal photos in Lolita. Very covered.

>>8964950
Wait what happened? What did I miss from being off cgl for a few months?

>>8964965
misako supports a rapist

>>8964946
But it is about the armpit thing and not the shoulder thing. We went over this.

Baby makes all kinds of shoulder showing dresses.

>>8964966
Is this about the AM drama?

>>8964967
stop trying to argue with the special snowflake retard anon

they don't get it

>>8964965
She bought 50 dicks off Ebay and sucked them all

>>8964965
A butthurt girl who is like "I'm trollin' lmao hehehe :^)"

>>8964970
no someone got raped by someone misako worked with and misako continues to work with the rapist and says she doesn't care

>>8964973
do you really not know about the misako drama?

>>8964797
Obviously a model like Risa can look cute without a blouse.

People need to realize that while it's not completely acceptable, most people can't pull it off.

>>8964975
I thought there were just lewd comments, some not-so-great behavior in several cases and such, (in addition to the financial misconduct), is there actually a rape allegation/case pending? Link? Akira also returned to Anime Matsuri.

>>8964971
You don't even realize you're talking to the same person.... hahha. You are so embarrassing. You're like a girl crying at a party meanwhile everyone else is having fun.

>>8964975
She's being put into a situation where people are saying things without hard evidence and so of course she has to just stay out of it. I would too.

>>8964797
It's like any rule bending behavior, it depends who is doing it, how and in what circumstance.
Few people look like this without a blouse in lolita.
Few noobs can style without a blouse decently but one of the first questions after 'do I really need a petticoat' is 'do I really need a blouse with jsk'.
It's subjective, like wearing normie shoes. Sometimes that looks very good, other times absolutely not.

>>8964986
why would I care? this is an anonymous image board

I am replying to the post you made, not every post you make

get your head out of your ass

>>8964797
Is the JSK brand?
Are you slim?
Are you liked?
Are you chill?
Are you fashionable otherwise and a bit innovative?
Can you take the critique about it calmly?
Then probably you can.

Is it cheap non-brand?
Are you chubby or fat?
Are you unknown or disliked?
Are you argumentive or opinionated?
Are you otherwise a bit frumpy or have a less than fab wardrobe?
Are you defensive about critique?
Then probably not.

>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
I haven't, but I would if it looks right with the coord.
>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
Yes, I would.
>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Loads
>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
No
>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
No.
>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
Yeah.
>Any other comments?
The lolita rules are more like guidelines.

>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
Yes

>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
I have but the meets were fairly casual.

>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Yes. If done right I love them.

>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
No in general, but it really depends on the coord. For me it takes some trial and error. If the outfit looks incomplete I'll throw on a blouse or cardigan.

>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
Not really, it depends more on the dress/coordinate

>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
Yes. Some dresses look awkward without them, but some dresses look better in my opinion.

>Any other comments?
I'm petite and I used to be even more so than I am now. It was impossible to find appropriate blouses that fit me in the shoulders, so I'm glad blouseless becoming more of a thing now.

>>8964997
Best answer. Problem solved.

>>8964991
you implied I was arguing with myself, dumby

>>8964985
ignore the fucking troll you walnut

>>8965036
I implied the person you responded to was a special snowflake retard, anon

that specific post was a special snowflake retard post


is your IQ 60?

>>8964998
>>8964926

JetJmind

>>8964938
>there are a whole bunch of lolitas who have already said (in anon mode, of course) that JetJ has departed completely from lolita style fashion and isn't even really a lolita brand anymore because of styling like this

That's ridiculious. They obviously have lolita in mind when they design stuff and are catering to lolita's even with their "weird" styling. People always say you don't have to follow trends so why is it so unacceptable to go to a meet-up or event without blouse? I know it's not exactly a trend but it used to be completely acceptable. Now you can only do it if you hide it from the community and/or are going for "old school"? And when the styling is unusual it's suddenly not lolita, but OTT stuff that literally looks like a costume is totally acceptable?

So imagine this:
You wear an outfit that you like, but you don't post photos online and don't wear it to a meetup.
>but what if someone takes my picture!!!
They won't.

Is it okay I post a bunch of blouseless coords?

>>8965070
no, that would be the worst thing ever

>>8965070
this is super fucking ugly tho.

>>8965122

if you are going to post these at least post decent image quality you dumb cunt

>>8965056
And I'm telling you those were both my comments.
Keep name calling though.

>>8965129
Get a bigger monitor poor fag.

>>8965135
it's 12 fucking kb and shit quality

monitor size won't help

>>8965135
it is shit quality though, looks like ripped from a thumbnail

>>8965107
Beautiful
>>8965111
I would not consider this blouse less. I know it's technically not a blouse but I can't believe people would get bootyblasted about a see through shrug. It's pretty modest still. Especially people complaining about knit cardigans without a blouse, that just seems normal for daily lolita

>>8965133
oh my bad

you should kill yourself then

stream it too so I can watch

>>8965058
Of course it's ridiculous, but it's also true, people whine about it every time JetJ posts something blouseless. But that is the lengths some will try to go to to 'show' blouseless lolita is not ok. Also, all the blouseless coords posted in the thread so far are also slim pretty young girls wearing brand, many being models from magazines or brand adverts. That helps. Average plump older lolita in TaoBao or Bodyline with a mediocre coord and non-pro photo won't ever get such nice asspats.

>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
Honestly no
>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
N/a
>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Not really, I like the dropped sleeve blouses (the Bardot style ones?) But I don't usually like blouseless
>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
Yeah, personally. I don't mind if someone doesn't want to wear one though if they genuinely think there outfit looks better without, but I wouldn't, personally.
>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
Personally no. I guess it could look OK in country.
>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
Maybe bustier style ones, like the atelier Pierrot ones, for like a 'sexy' goth look, but it might look a little trashy, I don't know.
>Any other comments?
I think it's because I live in a country that is cold like 75% of the year, so when I see someone without a blouse I can't help but think they look cold. Also it feels off balance to me when someone has no blouse but tights or woolen socks on. I think it only looks OK in summer clothes or with ankle socks. But then again I feel it's unbalanced when people wear long sleeves and ankle socks so....
But that's just like, my opinion, maaaan

>>8965149
*their, not there
Fucks sake, I'm tired

>>8965146
Wow your bloomers are in such a twist right now anon

>>8965060
I wear mine out blouseless but not to meets. Someone recognized the style once and asked if I am wearing lolita. "Um - sorta." Uncomfortable silence and stink-eye. Not sure if she was judging me for no blouse or jelly for my clothes, she was very poorly dressed. I did not really want to explain about what I was wearing but I still did not want to just call it lolita because I felt the coord wasn't really complete either.

>>8965153
I haven't gotten laid in like a week so yeah

>>8964797
>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
I have gone blouseless in lolita pieces not wearing it as lolita, and blouses in lolita (usually with a cardigan or bolero over the top though)

>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
Yup.

>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Yes, but generally only if the dress looks okay that way already, if that makes sense? JSKs with summery materials or cuts look best, as opposed to a heavy velvet winter JSK or something. I also think that the cotton, unlined bustiers and strappy cutsews that Baby and Metamorphose and some other brands put out are really cute for blouseless coords with skirts.

>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
It depends on the coord. Like mentioned above, not every dress looks good without a blouse, and some JSKs look odd with blouses of certain collars.

>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
Sweet, some gothic, and some of the themes applied to styles (like country, where a blouseless look can be really fresh and sweet, or sailor, where the collar is in the way). I feel like it would be out of place in classic much of the time, though.

>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
Boat-neck and halter JSKs look dumb as hell with blouses most of the time. Halters are better with boleros or jackets, and boat-neck (Metamorphose Apple Print, Baby's Cherry Ribbon Print, several VM and IW pieces) is just cute by itself.

>Any other comments?
It really does vary from outfit to outfit for me, but I don't really mind people going without a blouse unless it's obviously done because they're too cheap for one (ie: their outfit looks unpolished and would look bad even with a blouse for that reason).

>>8964797
>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
Sure, most of the summer, but not to meets.
>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
Only with another type of covering, bolero, light wrap, shawl, peignoir. It can be sheer but I don't go to meets with armpits showing. Possibly to a formal evening event in JetJ. Even then, I'd likely have a shawl.
>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Sure, lots.
>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
Mine, yes. Others, it's up to them. I don't really care what they wear as long as they can wear it well. Even if they can't, I'm not really that caught up in what others decide to wear.
>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
I think it more depends on the dress style than the substyle.
>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
Yes but it's hard to generalize.
>Any other comments?
I think accomplished lolitas already just quietly and individually deal with this issue just fine making it basically a non-issue and this kind of discussion just encourages noobs and itas to attempt it then cry when critiqued for bad styling with this only being part of the reason. There are exceptions to all the Lolita rules, I can easily think of a coord example for each rule you'd want to break and probably find it in back issues of Lolita bibles to back me up but knowing when and how to do it well is the real issue. And most who need to doubt or question it aren't at that point yet or they wouldn't still doubt or question. Also caring so much what someone else wears only really matters if your comm is full of itas. That might get discouraging.

>>8965070
This is so odd. If anyone actually wore that exact coord it would definitely be ita.

>>8965355
I'm pretty sure Meow-tan wore something almost identical back in the day, and people lit her up more for her ridiculously ratted-to-hell wig than anything else.

>>8965364
>ridiculously ratted-to-hell wig than anything else
Oh man, I wish I saved those pictures.

>>8965366
Sigh, only found one in the archives. I remember there being an even worse split wig with yellow. Oh well, it was nice reliving 2012 again.
>sage for OT

>>8965050
Walnut-Chan is my waifu

>>8965379
There are heaps on Daily Lolita under her username and on Google as Tempest Paige. But I can't find the coordinate I was thinking of. Most of her photos were saved to ImageShack, so they've expired and vanished.

>>8965355
I don't think AP expects people to wear their clothes how they style them for magazines and mooks. Anymore than many designers expect you to style your everyday clothes the same way they do on the runway. Most bright people can figure this out but there's always those amusing few.
But life would be boring without a laugh, right?

>inb4 old fag
Back in the day brands like BABY used to do a lot of french sleeve jsks. The cut of the sleeve made it difficult to wear a blouse nicely. Even this dress that features wide straps was difficult to coord for a lot of lolitas. I recall the girl who made pusheen rocked it without a blouse but sadly could not find pics. Here's a picture of misako wearing it though. Again no blouse, which makes me wonder if BABY designed it to be worn without one

>>8964833
>Imo I think brands don't really think about the lolita look too much when they design dresses

Lol.

>>8964860
>the no-blouse thing comes from japanese culture specifically

Except it's far less taboo in Japan than it is in the west

>>8965535
Does anyone have a source on those shoes?

>>8965430
Japanese culture and western culture. Not lolita. Sleeveless everyday clothing is totally normal in the west and fairly rare in Japan.

>>8965539
BtSSB (AatP?) Victorian boots from like 2005 ago or some shit. They've rereleased them at least once since then (2007? Maybe 2014?), I'm pretty sure.

>>8965547
But for some reason miniskirts with ass hanging out are 100% acceptable in Japan.

>>8965640
That's one of the most annoying things fashion wise here. Short-shorts, mini skirts, ect with giant high heels are perfectly acceptable, but showing collar bone is completely unacceptable. So you'll see the booty shorts and heels with a long sleeved blouse. Cute if you have the body type for it, not so cute if you don't.

>>8964997
I'm just wondering what the OP would wear blouseless and if it will look good or land in the ita thread. Because if one is going to break one rule, literally everything else needs to be coorded very well, like Risa. They need to understand many of these old school pictures have a nuance to them that very very few can pull off so easily today, which is why looking blouse less at the time was more accepted before than now.

>>8965695
I agree with understanding those nuances which is why I said I could likely find examples from magazines but rarely in real life does anyone but the accomplished pull off a serious rule break that could equal or top the aesthetic of simply following the rule. Achieving the aesthetic best is what wins, not originality, edginess or standing out. I think that is part of what gets lost in translation from Japanese to western and old times to modern in Lolita. Not to mention that in magazines, everyone is professional and experienced team working for the shoot so the setting, stylists, lighting and editing all play a big part. Even well coordinated lolitas struggle with those a lot, setting, lighting, posing. No one expects pro shots but still so many fall short of even basic posing, setting, lighting and amateur photography basics.

>>8964818
Part of that is the photography and editing. A pink filter, vignette edges, enhanced contrast and the center with a blown out white balance to make the print show up better. Can you see those since I pointed them out? Likely the items match better and the shoes are not so lurid in real life.

>>8965695
I was wondering too. OP since you are so hot to ditch the blouses, post a few collages of how you would realistically coord some blouseless JSK. No cheating and using snaps or magazines. Otherwise I doubt your ability to actually do it. It's easy to SAY 'oh we could break this rule or that, look, magazines do' but quite a bit harder to pull it from your actual wardrobe or make a good collage. Otherwise you are all just Internet discussion.

>>8964997
Wow.

I was having a 3 AM breakdown and came to /cgl/ to cope, only to find this blatant fatshaming and no one is even going against it.

I feel so much worse now, thanks a lot.I seriously hope you choke to death.

>>8965769
>having a mental breakdown
>comes to /cgl/

go back to your therapist with that one and see how that flies as a coping mechanism

>>8965769
Wow.


I was having a 3 AM toilet time and came to /cgl/ to entertain myself, only to find this blatant death threat and nobody is even going against it.

I feel so much worse now, thanks a lot.I seriously hope you also get constipation so you can understand my pain.

>>8965783
It's not a threat anon, just a wish.

>>8965769
When has /cgl/ ever not been hostile towards fatties?
I've only seen people get annoyed at a good coord of one be posted in an ita thread, since those threads are for laughing at/learning from awful coords

>>8965785
It's just as much a death threat as the original post was fat shaming. This coming from a plus sized lolita. Get your head out of your ass.

>>8965769
I wasn't fat-shaming, I was predicting based on what I've already seen when someone posts something in lolita that breaks the rules. The more they have of part 1 in my post the less harshly they are critiqued, the more that have of part 2, the harder they are judged. Those aren't my criteria or rules, anon, just a simple observation of what already goes on when coords are critiqued.

Wishing me death by choking isn't going to make them any less true though, wow.
Calm down and have a cookie, maybe?

>>8965792

>clam down and have a cookie

anon having cookies so often is why she's so mad

>>8965783
Oh Housewifey, it isn't even 3 AM in Tokyo, you are so funny.

>>8965794
that wasn't me you stupid cunt

>>8965794
I am not her, whoever she is.
Seriously who is housewife-chan? keep reading about her.

>>8965793
I know right? So encouraging self-soothing through established behavior is the best idea. Now she wants a cookie so I can make my getaway before she chokes me!

>>8965797
A mentally ill housewife with too much time on her hands, an eating disorder, and an intense hate for fat people.

>>8965796
Well it was the right spacing but you don't usually quote do you. But the cunt part in this one is correct so hiya!

>>8965802
>eating disorder

I have anxiety and it causes me to throw up

I don't have a fucking eating disorder you lying cunt

>>8965803
hey boo

I see you

>>8965804
Eh, hard to believe you have anxiety enough to make you physically ill yet you can be so insensitive of other people's feelings knowing that much of what you post would likely cause another person anxiety to read? How does that work, exactly? At least now we know why you don't trip, perhaps. Too anxious you'd forget to take off the trip for impulsive posts. :^)

>>8965807
She loves me, it's true.

>>8965809
I don't trip because this is an anonymous image board


and how the fuck does reading a post from a complete stranger give someone anxiety?

I panic about people I love dying and you panic over muh innurnut bully

>>8964917
This looks disgusting though

>>8965769
Let's be honest here though, if you're fat/chubby/overweight and go blouseless it's gonna look awful. Only really thin girls with beautiful arms and shoulders can pull it off.

>>8965804

bet you love it though. Keeps you skinny enough for brand. Just be careful with that toothy smile.

welp, now I know to stay out of these threads in the future..

>>8964797 (OP) #
>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
Yes

>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
Only if I'm wearing a sleeved one piece

>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
Yes, some dresses just suit not having a blouse

>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
No, but it's outfit dependent

>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
Not specifically, it can work for all styles but it's better when there's retro influences, gothic or clubwear inspiration (like ero style), or the outfit is really summery. I disagree with sailor jsks needing a blouse, I think if you style it lolita it's cute without. Round collar jsks like meta makes also look awkward with a blouse

>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
Yes.

>Any other comments?
It's like this has become a big deal again? It was a huge no-no in the early-mid 2000s to be blouseless, people relaxed about it around 2010, and now it's a thing again?

>>8964997
You forgot "do you have muscular arms?"

>>8965425
>pocket embroidery
>difficult to coord
The fuck?

>>8964917
This really is missing a blouse. It does not even look summery: if she feels comfortable wearing OTKs and such heavy wristcuffs and wig, she can certainly afford to wear a blouse.

>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
yes, i felt super taboo and uncomfortable
>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
no, even with a cardigan i felt terrible
>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
only from photoshoots, but even then most of them make me shudder internally
>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
yes
>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
perhaps punk or ero, but it's still ugly and weird
>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
yeah, broad straps maybe be slightly better than thin straps, but haltertop might make it look the most "normie" and thus acceptable
>Any other comments?
please don't go without a blouse if you're top heavy

>>8965640
Asians dont have an ass so their mini skirts arent showing so much. Whereas if you wore the same stuff you look like a whore. Its a matter of body types.

>>8965430
yeah but back when Lolita started it was a huge thing. I remember even a few years ago, my friends coworkers would ask if I was cold when wearing sleeveless shirts even in 30° weather.

>>8965703
OP are you going to show us what you would wear blouse less or not? Do you even have a single Lolita coord to do this with? If you feel confident to go blouse less like an old school model, it would be interesting to see what you would wear.

>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
My first attempt wearing lolita, I did. It was a tiny one day convention. I've never gone without some top since then and that was 4 years ago.

I'm too topheavy and my arms are too bulky/muscular to look petite and pretty being blouseless.

>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
I think it can look cute on some people and with some dresses, especially toned down coordinates in the summer or spring. But I think it gets bad rep from con itas that toss on a bodyline dress and wear a crappy wig, sneakers and no legwear and call it a day.

>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
Most of the time. If it's a causal event or casual wearing, I think it's fine. For more formal events or meets, you're really going to need to make up for the lack of a blouse somehow, as that makes the coordinate look more put together and formal.

>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
Sweet and casual, most definitely. I can't really see it working in classic or gothic. Although it entirely depends on the cut of the dress.

>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
It depends. Something cute and summery or springy would probably work best. But if you're wearing say, sugar dream dome on a hot summer day and going blouseless, that's a little silly.
>Any other comments?
Most of the time it looks incomplete, but you'll really have to put a lot of thought and planning into a coordinate to make it work.

>>8965980
>trying to get someone to do something over the internet
You should at least offer money. So far you just look silly begging someone to do something thinking you're being all coy and brilliant trying to prove OP wrong in some way.

OP never said they did this.

>I've been seeing this pop up a lot lately, so let's get a discussion going.
Looks like OP just wanted to talk about the topic.

>>8966681
Um, assumption much? I'm not 'begging' for anything, I was simply asking questions since OP is willing to talk full length of going blouse less and since not a lot of people can pull it off it would actually be interesting to see how it would work for OP if they succeed. If they can pull it off like the models good for them, if not then oh well. I'm pretty sure OP can speak for themselves on this matter. There's been many incidents where people try to sound like an expert in Lolita yet never own a single piece of Lolita clothing so yes I'm a bit skeptical about this but I'm definitely not waiting for their downfall like you think I am.

>>8964797
>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
I have gone blouseless, but only when I've worn something else to cover my arms/shoulders, namely a bolero. I would go totally blouseless if it fits the feel of the dress.

>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
Yup.

>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
The one in the OP pic is cute, I can't recall a specific one right now.

>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
It really depends on the jsk.

>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
Yes, I think it might work best with sweet.

>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
There's jsks that just can't be worn without a blouse or wouldn't look good without, but others who have more elaborate and thick straps with some frill to it, it can work.

>Any other comments?
People who go batshit insisting on a blouse and throwing insults around are embarrassing for the whole community.

>>8967129
Wow dingbat. OP might not even be on the board anymore. There's no way to know.

And yes you are begging when you keep asking for something when you haven't gotten anything.

Let's see how great you look btw.

Fucking walnut, we're trying to have a discussion. Not daring other people to self post.
Now shut it, dolt.

Just popping in to say that I think classic lolita actually has really high potential to look nice without a blouse, depending on styling. Some of my favorite classic coords are either no blouse but with a shawl or cardigan or totally bare shoulders. I think it can look pretty elegant, but it's hard to pull off without fashion sense or the right body type.

Thoughts on sleeveless blouses?

Baby calls this a JSK.

I personally 95% prefer blouses in a coord. I have VERY occasionally seen it worn well without. One girl in my comm actually pulled off a very beautiful blouseless look. Shes skinny and the outfit had a retro vibe to it.

In some cases it can actually look good. But maybe not in a lolita way?
I don't want to be pretentious but i wore my round collared dreamy dollhouse jsk in summer without a blouse and it looked actually good. I wanted to wear a bolero on top but couldnt find it, i was late and ended up going sleeveless. Same for my old school white babydoll jsk. I am on the slim side and my skin is really clear so...

>>8967129
> There's been many incidents where people try to sound like an expert in Lolita yet never own a single piece of Lolita clothing

This. With that being said, I think that's the sad side of things when you see a lot of blouse less coords go to the ita thread because of the sleeves, texture, boobloaf etc and you think people are trying to steer newbies in the wrong direction so that they can feel better not improving, but I'll give OP the benefit of the doubt that it's not the case. It sounds like you asked for OP's coord once and others did before / afterward, but yeah I would try to keep more of an open mind of blouseless coords beyond oldschool if they look good and give the OP a chance to learn from them if they're just starting.

>Have you gone/would you go blouseless in Lolita?
yes
>If yes, have you gone/would you go to a meetup/event without a blouse?
yes
>Have you ever liked a blouseless coord?
yes
>Do think a coord feels incomplete without one?
naw, so long as it all works, who cares?
>Do you think there are any substyles where going blouseless might work better than others?
naw
>Does the cut/style of a jsk make it look better/worse?
i wouldn't do a spaghetti/thin strap without but that's mostly because i'm pretty shy about visible bra straps sometimes
>Any other comments?
more guidelines than rules, once you know what works for you, stop worrying about it so much

attached is a SHAMEFUL and UTTERLY DEGENERATE photo from 2010 before people started being super uptight about this shit

>>8967725
Fetch the smelling salts!

>>8967304
This.
While blouseless would not work well with JSKs with plain and narrow straps, quite a few JSKs have pretty decorations (lace, ruffles etc.) on collar and straps where a blouse is not absolutely necessary.
But, as has been said: fashion sense and body type required.

>>8967696
I think the reason I was skeptical was because while I mentioned coords OP was focusing more photography which made me think if they even had a coord to do this with. I've seen this happend far too often so I did only asked once. But Hopefully OP is taking this seriously.
>>8967167
Anon I only asked once, lay off the salt.

>>8965409
it's not like AP is haute couture, it's more like a catalogue. So yeah, it should serve as inspiration on how to wear it. You're an idiot.

>>8965928
The ivory is