/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9121134
kawaii to whom?

to voters?

to his grandma?

who is he being kawaii to?

>>9121168
Last I checked he's an ugly motherfucker

>>9121134
nasty cheetoh colored spray tans are NOT Kawaii. Fucker needs to wear a wig, too.

>>9121134
Why. Why would you start with this image? Why would you start with all the summer here and the invisible leg wear? Why?

>>9121134
This week's are really shitty. What is happening to BtB? Make BtB great again!

So tired of these stupid tryhard unfunny meme secrets.
Watch, I bet this is going to get a bunch of "OMG hahaha you made my day XD" in the comments.

>>9121226
be the change, anon, don't wait for some slogan-spouter who will come along and fix your shit for you

God I'm so tired of Trump-related secrets

as if I don't hear about him enough outside of lolita

If anyone wanted to get a better view of secret 15 I took a full screenshot

I wish the mods would be more consistent with submission posts. We have a post on day for the secrets, so why not a submissions post on day? It's too often that the sumissions post has come out on Thursday and that people missed it because it was soo late in the week.

Like maybe after the secrets get posted, the submissions post gets posted the following Monday for the next week? But you make this suggestion and misterlolita gets mad and shoots your suggestion down like you insulted their ancestors.

>>9121226
It's never gonna happen. LJ is dead.

>>9121256
Bless you anon, was straining my eyes trying to read that.
>no buyer feedback
>doesn't know what it's for
>wants a payment plan
that's what it's for. how dense is she?

New Haenuli comic. I'm having a hard time understanding this one? Obviously weather related but whats the "just one bite"?

Please someone explain to me, I'm being real dumb

>>9121347
Just One Bite is their new series, Snow White related, hence the apple & all.

>>9121258
yeah, stop trying to make LJ happen.

>>9121347
It's like a flow chart ? Looks like "Just One Bite" will be available in two materials? Jacquard and Chiffon

>are you in a country that has cold winters? = Get the Jacquard style
>are you in a country that doesn't really have a winter/fall = Chiffon style
>Do you prefer a heavy material for your dresses? = Jacquard style
>Do you prefer something lighter, smoother? = Chiffon style
>Are you a gothic lolita = get it!

>>9121257
I don't really care if it's inconsistent but I don't understand why they make the submission post so late in the week. It's happened a few times I made a secret earlier in the week and don't remember to submit it or don't have time to submit it at the end of the week.

In the last general an anon was looking for this post on roomwear, I accidentally found it http://www.wunderwelt.jp/blog/7226

>>9121357
Same here. I work 12 hour shifts at a hospice at the end of the week. So if the secrets submissions come up, I can't get it in till hopefully the next week if it's posted before Tuesday. By that time the secret is irrelevant to current events. And that's not fun.

I still have no idea who #4 is so no, I don't remember from LJ.

>>9121364
She was a nobody in LJ back in the day. And is even more of a nobody today. But is friends with a lot of LoLcows.

Just look for maxiumumclaire or Claire max on CoF. You will notice she's plain Jane boring.

>>9121360
Looks cute! Pity there's only one black item (the dress; but at least it looks like it can be easily handmade). It's also nice that cotton was used for some pieces.

All reading BtB does is make me miss loli_secrets. No, it's not one of those rose tinted glasses type of things, the ones posted to LS were usually just way better. It wasn't purely repeats of the same exact complaints and try hard meme attempts, and the trolls were so much more creative and original. I wish at the very least it had been kept around for archive purposes.

Is casual lolita dead? Whenever I see people post casual coords on CoF, it's really just a non-OTT coord. Often with a comment like ''just threw this on quickly :)'' or ''casual coord to run some errands!''. Especially when they wear a very obvious wig and big accessories it doesn't look casual to me in any way.

I sometimes want to comment on it, especially the ones who ask for concrit. However I'm too much of a pussy to say something negative on CoF. Tough people often say ''this is a nice coord but I wouldn't call it classic/gothic/sweet'', you never see those comments when someone calls a non-casual coord casual.

Are there people who actually wear oldschool casual lolita, soft lolita or lolita pieces in a casual way? Why don't they post more?

>>9121394
I know that people still wear casual Lolita. I feel like newer gorls just dont understand casual coords because they came into Lolita after the OTT boom where ut was all OTT all the time and compared to that their coords are casual.

as for why you dont see too many casual coords anymore my fuess is that people juat dont poat those. It's like they figure it wont get many likes or comments because its not some giant frilly situation so why bother. The vast majority of my coords are on the casual side since i wear Lolita to work once a week and sitting in an ofice all day is a big old petti and a ton of accesories isnt on my list of fun ideas; i wouldnt post any of those coords online though since they're not all that eye catching.

>>9121394
Would something like the Dream Sky skirt and an AP cutsew count as casual lolita? If so, I'm very partial to that style.

>>9121424
I would love to see basic and casual coords! No offense but I hate OTT, and I hate that when I look up lolita all I get is OTT. I always find it so refreshing when someone posts something casual on CoF. All of my favourite coords are really old and basic.

>>9121394
It's not dead but people just don't share it on CoF, because hell if you are going to be judged you better wear something great-looking. I don't even post my casual stuff to my own instagram/fb so it hasn't really gotten to do with CoF or it being dead imo.

>>9121394
I think people still wear it but the bar for posting a coord to CoF has been raised beyond posting a super-casually styled coord with a skirt and cutsew. I'm glad actually, I like to see simply done coords that still have some style but casual things with cutsews, salos, minimal makeup and accessories etc just aren't something I'm very inspired by.

(Xpost from help thread because I thought it'd be relevant here too)

Where else would one buy cheaper/used lolita pieces besides Lacemarket? I'm thinking of getting into Lolita, and I'm checking out Bodyline but many of the prints look borderline ita. Any indie or Taobao brands to recommend as well?

>>9121540
Check secondhand sites such as:
ClosetChild
WunderWelt
TokyoAlice
Mbok and yahoo auctions (you need an SS, I use Japonica)
Keep in mind you aren't going to find every dream dress for $50. But you will find some nice deals for your wardrobe.
If you were thinking about spending that $60 on some bodyline might as well just save a little more and buy an inexpensive solid brand peice instead.

>>9121394
MY pov is that CoF has made this pissing contest out of the fashion to the point where only OTT coords get acknowledged and more tone-down coords overlooked.
It's really sad to see lolita in the west become what it is, I joined the fashion when pastel split wigs were the biggest trend and I hated it because lolita is supposed to look like a fashion not a costume.

>>9121235
Kek. Joji-chan would make a pretty cute lolita.

>>9121580
I'm sure plenty of people wear casual coords but of course something more impressive is going to get more attention. If you are happy in casual coords, you wear them for your enjoyment not looking for attention because otherwise you just sound petty. No one is going to give more likes to a cutsew than a fancy princess dress. Some otome girls have the same complaint, that lolita hogs the spotlight but what can I say, they are very plain Jane to me. If there is enough interest maybe start a casual/soft lolita group?

>>9121604
there already is a casual lolita group on Facebook

>>9121394
I wear casual most of the time but worry that if I post to CoF or tag it #lolitafashion on IG, I will get ripped apart in an ita thread. So I only tag it with #ootd or the brand name(s) and only post to CoF if I have a more "formal" (though not OTT) coord. I personally wouldn't call any of my non-casual coords casual but I can understand how girls newer to the fashion might feel that simpler coords are automatically casual.

>>9121618
Well then problem solved, so I'm not sure why the complaints? It makes sense that more interesting coordinates will inspire more people so get more likes but that doesn't mean they are better or worse. In the end, if you aren't dressing to make yourself happy, it's all a waste of time anyway no matter what you wear, right?

>>9121618
it would be so cool if we could get a real "jfash OOTD" thread going here, but selfpost threads are magnets for edgelords and summerfags. i think if we agreed it was OK to block out our faces and just share what we are doing jfash wise, and tried to establish an anti-shitpost culture like the drawthread has, it might do ok after a consistent while

>>9121654
There's still shitposting in the draw thread. Just post in CoF, you end up on here anyway if you are either interesting or ita. Not sure about casuals though.

>>9121654
Isn't there a J-Fash thread for this on FB? Or does each fashion have an OOTD group? I like a FB group for all J-Fash OOTD better than a thread here.

>>9121674
>Not sure about casuals though.
they are ignored, generally, which is what began the conversation. people want a daily platform that is not about likes and notes, because those will always encourage OTT.

>>9121684
>thread for this on FB?
>thread
there may be a *community for this on FB but i do not use social media

>>9121693
People posted to Daily_Lolita, several outfits at a time usually, some casual, some fancier. The fancier things got compliments and questions. No one cares much about someone else's casual outfit. If casual already has a FB group, I don't see a need for anything beyond it.

>>9121347
It's like asking you questions about design, like do you prefer this or this and it's mocking Just One Bite because it's saying do you want gothic lolita or Just One Bite (which isn't gothic lolita) ?

I want a lolitas dress parcel shipped from Japan. Bag or box?

>>9121258
BTB really needs a new platform but I honestly have no idea what would be suitable for it.

>>9121780
Just let BTB die already. These LJ community revivals will never work. No other format works well with the anon comments, outside these boards maybe but BTB is full of stupid vendettas and calling out.

Honestly, just submit your funny lolita "secrets" to places like Lolita Humor. That was the only good thing about BTB anyway.

>>9121723
That's... not what it's saying at all.

>>9121788
Because this place isn't full of rule breaking douche nozzles that want to out people and have vendettas?

>>9121704
>No one cares much about someone else's casual outfit.
I do? Don't speak for everyone.

>>9121780
I'm glad it's dead. The memes aren't funny and drama is best suited for cgl

>>9121369
I follow her on instagram and she looks like she has a pretty decent life and goes to cons all the time? And she's married to someone who is like, actually e-famous? He works for the Nerdist - I don't keep up with that but I know a lot of people do.

>>9121580
I agree with this but people always get really offended when you compare OTT to costume. I don't think OTT is a like wearing a costume at all either, however it does feel weird to me how many props and fake looking wigs are used sometimes. And it just feels like OTT is the only accepted way to wear lolita currently. Sure we can say lots of people wear lolita in a more casual way, if that's so then I wonder where those people are? Because when I go to a meet-up, almost all of the girls are wearing OTT, and the ones that are wearing something more casual are often making an excuse why they are not wearing OTT. Looks like for some reason the casual lolita's are lone lolita's?

>>9121630
This. I think it also has to do with the fact that the word casual when it comes to fashion means different things for people and no one I know of really in lolita has actually managed to sit on one of the set definitions for the fashion but instead looks to just copy something from an old magazine.

Not that anyone could actually agree on something.

>>9121674
>There's still shitposting in the draw thread
Yeah but unlike most threads, the on topic stuff manages to outweigh the trolling. Same thing in the BST threads. Yes, people troll there but you can still use it for it's purpose.

We've actually had a couple of okay self post threads until the Star Chan shit happened.

>>9121892
We do agree on what casual lolita is. It's just unpopular and because no one posts their casual lolita coords, we don't have many good, new examples. WHen someone posts on CoF and says 'casual coord' they don't mean casual lolita, they mean a non-OTT coord.

>>9121882
i save my fancier coords for meetups and wear casual or basic coords for regular life. for fashion-based meetups i like to things more daring that i might be too nervous to do alone.

it might be cool to have "minimalistic coord" meetups where part of the point is a simple outfit, for activities like bowling or a picnic where comfort and mobility matter.

>>9121882
As a fan of more wearable lolita, a meet up is usually an excuse to wear Ott which i wouldn't otherwise have. I do wearable lolita in my everyday life and Ott at meet ups.

>>9121861
Then go join the FB casual lolita group? We don't need a special ootd j-Fash thread here so casuals can post their outfits, they can do that in any general lolita group now. Casual will never get the attention something fancier does due to posting here vs anywhere else but if people want to try such a thread here well no one is stopping them either are they? It will succeed or it won't.

>>9121904
Count me out of such meet ups, I like to dress and go nice places. For me, non ott Lolita is for everyday, and dressing up for meets is fun. I don't own a lolita cutsew and likely never will.

>>9121913
>We don't need a special ootd j-Fash thread here so casuals can post their outfits, they can do that in any general lolita group now.
you could be having this exact discussion on a FB lolita group. why are you on such a pointless website as 4chan when FB exists?

>>9121630
Same. I don't want to get posted to ita threads just because I'm trying to wear my clothes in a normalfag way. Btw I think casual lolita gets quite some notes if the picture quality is good. I noticed a few wonderful examples on my dash, but they were never a mirror selfie or in a bad lit room. It was mostly fannyrosie quality.

>>9121921
Then why not just post a J-Fash ootd thread here already instead of complaining more still?
>Post in any general lolita group
>post in the casual lolita FB group
>post an ootd anon thread here
No one cares. Just stop griping please.

>>9121394
>>9121882

I never wear OTT and I've never posted on CoF but I dislike social media in general. At meet-ups I sometimes feel like I stand out because I look casual compared to the rest, though it's not casual lolita. I sometimes feel pressured by other comm members to add things to my coord that I don't think are necessary, like they will make suggestions that I didn't ask for to add more accessories, bigger this and bigger that, etc. One time someone suggested I should wear a bigger wig (when I wasn't wearing one), and fake eyelashes. But I mainly stick to my own group of friends so it's not really an issue.

>>9121904
That sounds nice in theory, but will probably end up being a total itafest full of poorfags who are just looking for a excuse to wear their grimy band shirts and Walmart socks and still call it lolita.

>>9121931
discussing ideas is not griping. careful not to read undue emotion into anonymous message board posts.

>>9121903

lol have you tried starting a casual lolita thread on here. People start disagreeing about the point where lolita becomes "someone in poofy skirt" or "burando in non lolita outfit" rather than casual lolita.

I'm slightly annoyed that "casual lolita" has become the new ita excuse though. Like >>9121394 probably knows her blouse looks off and probably tacked the "casual" label on so that she can say "it's casual, it doesn't need to be perfect" if anyone points out her odd-looking blouse.

>>9121950
When several people have suggested several places to post, instead of simply posting in any one of the choices, people continue to talk in negative ways of why they can't or won't post, even when one of the suggestions is a whole group entirely devoted to their style then yeah, I'd call that 'just griping'.

>>9121948
>probably end up being a total itafest full of poorfags
This is why ticketed events are the way to go.

>>9121948
Those will of course get called out as ita. Problem is not that, it's more like 'when does a high street Peter Pan collar knit shirt, a thrifted floral skirt and some ballet flats or Payless oxfords worn with minimal makeup and a very informal hairstyle magically become Lolita?' Some think 'yes that looks fine', others 'no, there's nothing actually Lolita here'.

>>9121917
This, picnics are fucking stupid.

>>9121955
Yeah, exactly. There was a thread here months ago where people were trying to agree on what the term casual is in lolita and the two distinctions were one type of casual is seen as something being easy to wear, and the other definition people are using is something that just looks simple, or not OTT.

>>9121788
Excuse my ignorance but what is lolita humor? I was trying to find that page but nothing came

>>9121986
I guess a better way to separate the two would be like, what you'd wear at home vs what you have to wear to work.

>>9121955
>>9121986
That's on here though. The people who were wrong were probably the people who joined the fashion after OTT became popular. If you look at magazines and other sources, it's very clear what casual lolita is.

>>9121996
Why not do a casual Lolita test thread then of people from magazines and street snaps showing good examples of casual lolita?

>>9122007
Because /cgl/ can't ever have a good discussion about it. No matter how good the examples are.

>>9121996

lol no.

The older GLBs had casual lolita down as just a poofy skirt with a cutsew, sometimes even with a t-shirt tucked in (for the lolita silhoutte).

Then a more recent GLB (last year, or maybe the year before) had a spread with the different substyles. Casual Lolita's page was an IW coord with a proper blouse, not even a cutsew. Legwear, lolita shoes, bag, the works. It looked like simple non-OTT lolita, mostly.

Exactly what the other anon said, one defintion was more "easy to wear", and the other was "simple, not OTT".

>>9122011
At least some photos would be getting posted between the argument posts instead of making such a big deal about a style fully half of us could care less about and taking up the general thread to do it.

For most of us this is a non-issue. If y'all post in your casual lolita group and end up on the ita thread here it's one of your own dissing you because many of us did not even know there was already a casual lolita group.

Lots of OTT girls and simple coord girls also end up in the ita thread and I don't see most of them being so booty bothered as these casual topic posters here seem to be.

>>9121427
That would definitely count as casual, especially if you're wearing it without a wig and five thousand accessories

>>9121892
If you don't know what casual is, you should probably let your parents dress you.

>>9122027
>taking up the general thread to do it.
Are we off-topic? God forbid people aren't talking about the latest AP release for a while. Really you're welcome to change the subject instead of responding to them.

>>9122067
>being this much of a bitch for no reason

>>9121134
The Voldie-slept-with-John secret was weird. Why would an anon think Lor posted it? Is she having drama with Toronto?

>>9122071
Was it V in the picture? It didn't look like her imo

>>9122071
I thought that was way out of left field. it confused me as well. I understand some people are annoyed by her always breaking anonymity here, but I don't get that level of hate.

>>9122078
It's her, the pic in the bottom right of the secret is cribbed from her fb for sure.

>>9121989
It looks like it's called EGL Humor now and Lolita Memes in English.

>>9122071
it's such an obvious troll i am disappointed anyone even reacted to it

>>9121424
She wants headpats for wearing what amounts to the same ooh space princess coord all the time. She's not married to the guy from the Nerdist, but she is divorced and apparently tried to maneuver herself and former husband into being a cosplay "power couple", she's faux geeky (Dr. Who, Marvel, now Pokemon Go and Suicide Squad) and she's fucking freakish looking. She also has started and abandoned a couple of Etsy shops selling her handmade 'fashion' designs. And she's a model. She needs to stop being her own favorite hobby.

>>9121428
I dont hate OTT but i do like casual coords a lot and would love to see more of them.

Casual Lolita of 2007.

>>9122135
what publication?

also what are Japanese lolitas posting under the casual/kajuaru tag these days? i have not checked in a couple years and do not use Instagram so i feel i am out of touch.

> likes lolita
> has kinks
> knows that kinks and lolita do not go together and have never participated in anything sexual while wearing lolita
> on a kink forum board
> new thread titled "Who likes loli girls" and I click on it because why not
> It's a picture of a pretty e-famous lolita with some past drama
> There's a video of her participating in kink
> I actually like her coords but I don't think she's sexy at all, but video is hot
> Dies a little

/cgl/ sometimes talks about her and I have such secondhand embarrassment about the video that I always close out of the thread or dump pictures until I don't have to see the conversation anymore.

>>9122153
this pasta could use some more salt

>>9122153
This isn't even bait anymore, it's just a cry for help

>>9122138
It's from Deco Alice a la mode.

>>9121188
I believe they were referring to the incorrect use of "to" the correct spell ing in this context is "too"

Posted a while back but I figured I'd try again since the event is closer:

Any lolitas going to the Pokemon World Tournament in San Fran? It'll be my first time going and it'd be cool to make a lolita friend while I'm there. Never been to SF before so I'm excited to check out the AP store

Anyone own anything from Royal Princess Alice??

I'm within the waist measurements but not sure about the bust. There is only one measurement listed, instead of a range. I don't know how much stretch their dresses have. Should I risk it?

>>9121875
That doesn't change the fact that she herself is a nobody. Just because she knows people who are some bodies doesn't mean you are a somebody by proxy. Her outfits are not original any more. She posts the same shit over and over. It nothing to keep you coming back other then maybe some feed filler for consistent images.

>>9122234
This would be cute if she was wearing legwear

Didn't see a "dumb questions" thread so maybe I can ask here

Is there a reason why JetJ is higher priced than other brands, is the quality a lot better?

>>9122285

From what I've heard (im not a goth lolita so) their quality used to warrant the price. But in recent years the quality of their pieces have declined but remain the same price

>>9122234
looks like a pretty shallow cut for the bust

>>9122282

The horse is dead. Stop beating it.

>>9122285
My understanding is that it used to be known for intricate designs that were above other brands on the market long ago. The current JetJ is just full of cluttered painting prints and simpler construction.

Also, I've heard that the price difference is also partially because JetJ gets a slightly older audience with usually more expendable income. It's similar to how Jane Marple and some otome can be a little pricier, since older women can tend to buy it and it's easier to grow into.

>>9121758
Box. It may be a bit more expensive, but bags can be damaged and squished so easily.

>>9122285
Status, some pieces are more elegant and fabrics tend to be better most of the time plus it is one of the handful of brands whose items are still made in Japan.

>>9122234
No. This cut won't be flattering on a large-cup bust even if you can get it on. If it's your band size that is large, those diagonal stripes will make you look thick.

>>9122443
Which brands are made in Japan?

>>9122527
I know Moitie is, not sure about others. AP is designed by Japanese designers but actually made in China, I think.

I recently bought a bunch of discoloured white and off-white items. What are some good products to clean them up with?

>>9122546
literal bleach

>>9122546
>>9122563
Bleach can damage the fibers of your dresses. Start with oxyclean first.

>>9122527
>>9122532
AP and BtSSB are made in both China and Japan, it varies item to item. Also, it's very important to note that in Japan "made in China"=/="definitely made in sweatshop" like it does in the USA. Neither of them use sweatshop labor and are both just normal garment factories, I cannot speak for sure on any other lolita brand that makes things in China, though.

>>9122649
That's great to know!

>>9122527
Atelier Pierrot

AatP appears to be re-releasing Ginger Doll.
http://www.babyssb.co.jp/onlinestore/p12op342/

>>9122649
I've never heard this before, but that's really cool. It makes sense to me, the brand items I have always seem like they were all carefully handmade.

>>9122438
Yurggg. It's already shipped out as a bag. The person didn't raise any questions about having it in a bag.

>>9122527
Victorian Maiden.

>>9122649
I wonder if taobao brands are made in sweatshop conditions cause they're cheaper

>>9122990
Not all brands, Krad (fuck their order system tho) and Angels Heart have amazing quality, but most use lower quality material. That saves a lot of cost. They probably do use lower paid labor as well though.

>>9122280
>Her outfits are not original any more. She posts the same shit over and over
You could say the same thing about /cgl/ and how it's a broken record, but here you are, right?
Why is everyone always looking for originality in this hobby when there's hardly any to begin with? You buy fucking clothes.

So my Albino Accord came in and I was really dumb to order it in a 20" skirt.

>tfw you manage to look like a slut in lolita

>>9122027
>>9122070
No, I'm so tired of the "you're shitting up the gen" meme that has started.
Like maybe you all should figure out what exactly we're supposed to talk about in the "general".

And then
>>9122027
is trying to argue we could actually settle on what casual truly is even though we can't even get what the general is supposed to consist of.

I never fit in to lolita blouses because of my boobs so I got some "plus sized" ones and they're too big around the arms and waist. How do I fix this?

>>9123694
time for a creepy Albino ERO-coord my friend

>>9123703
Tailoring.

>>9123703
Tailoring or get custom sized blouses from indie brands.

>>9122915

They probably expected you know the risks. The box is sturdier and less likely to break, but it adds weight to the shipping, so you'll end up paying more for shipping.

If it makes you feel better, one of my shopping services tends to ship my stuff in bags and I've no problems so far. The freak cases like some customs officer cutting open some poor girl's Holy Lantern is actually rather rare, and can happen even to a box anyway.


>>9122835

The re-release happened last Friday, actually. Unless you're talking about the second round? I don't think there's enough demand for a second round, both dress sets were still available after an hour. So if you missed the Friday release I'd suggest you mail in an order or something.

Honestly, I'd take the joke and meme secrets over having less than 10. People really need to post more juicy stuff

LJ is dying sure, but at least the behind the bows comments are as entertaining as always. Example: SJW trying to be patronizing and holier-than-thou over everyone else, especially in 11 and 12. It's great.

I recently got a bunch of new lolita clothing but I realised, it is absolutely adorable. I love the details and lace and it's just so cute. But it makes me feel like a child, and unfashionable, to wear it. I rarely wear it but I now have a more lolita than "regular" clothes as my friend pointed out today, so I want to start wearing it on a more daily basis. But I don't want to look unattractive or unfashionable. At the same time I loathe modern fashion.
What do?

WHy does moitie often not have a category of it's own? Or am I too stupid to find it? Like on wear or fril, I can't find the category for moitie even tough smaller brands have one, and people just put it in AP or alice auaa or something else that's totally different.

>>9123834
if you have sweet, thats your problem. go for classic pieces or pieces that look more simple and mature

>>9123705
That could actually be awesome if done right.

>>9123712
Last month, I had a package arrived in a bag from Hong Kong and there was no damage. Same scenario with a bag from Russia.

AatP Halloween Print called Rosy's Night Masquerade

>>9124019
Close up on the print. I am not sure how I feel about this though only because I like the cuter Halloween prints

>>9124019
I hope for some good colour ways, the print is super cute.

>>9124025
this actually looks pretty cool

>>9124032
So far we've seen gray, red, and purple.

>>9124043
Thanks, also looked it up now on LU: "colorways are black, ivory, red, purple, and gray"

>>9124025
omg i love this, any idea of a release date?

>>9124049
On LU someone said around August 19th.

Today's the day for LM.

>>9123834
I hate to break it to you. Lolita is unfashionable. Even toned down classic is nothing like what is in fashion and can look strange to normies depending on where you live. Petticoats have not been fashionable since the 1950's or early 1960's.

Lolita is not meant to be a fashion that looks in fashion. It was created to be a sort of rebellion against mainstream fashions of the 80's and 90's, going back to more girlish or elegant looks, and dressing for yourself and not for the approval of other people. It may be decades later after the fashion began forming, but this still holds true. It makes a statement and goes against the grain, no matter what style you wear be it 2008 OTT sweet with pastel wigs or a soild MM piece coordinated simply. It still stands out in one way or another depending on who is looking.

You honestly just have to suck it up and get over it.

>>9123834
The other anon is right, Lolita will always stand out. Instead of wearing full Lolita outfits, try to incooperate small Lolita items with your normie clothes, like a Lolita bag, a small bow in your hair, cute jewellery. And if you want to wear cute but toned-down clothes, wear stuff from Axes Femme, Ank Rouge etc.

>>9124104
we hype

>>9121226
If you want it to be good you shouldn't have run kate out of the Internet community. There's no lolcows anymore, so no drama really.

>>9124025
>plague doctor
I've been waiting so long and never actually thought this day would come

>>9124025
oh shit, that looks great!

>>9124025
I wasn't sure about this at first, but yep! I love it! I need it! I'll be joining in on this reservation.

alright so I used clobba to buy a product because I was under the impression that martin had it like, himself with his own stock but it turns out he doesn't and told me the item I wanted was sold out completely, and said he could give me a refund or I could get a different color. I just used the "contact us" form on the website to tell him my order number and that I'd like to just get a different color (he already has my money and since I'm afraid the other colors I want will sell out I figured meh might just be easier to have him buy it) but it's been a full 24 hrs since I sent that message and he hasn't responded to me, while his initial response came a few hours after I made the purchase.

do I just wait or should I email him again but directly? ugh, this + the trumped up prices on clobba is what I get for jumping the gun and not using my regular SS.

>>9124736
Don't use contact us for things like this. E-mail him directly info@clobbaonline or w/e the email was that he used

>>9124750
Alright, I figured that was the case. I'll try that instead.

>>9124104
Looks messy so far

>>9124876
It's up for me.
Did they migrate the user database? Seems not, my login credentials are not recognised, and Recover password says my email is unknown.
Oh well.

>>9124910
Ups, mistyped email. Now I get
We're sorry, but something went wrong.

Oh ffs. I posted in the old thread. Anyways. Lace Market updated the site layout. Better than it was but still quirky.

The sort fields are messy and the area to select by country doesn't work. I don't understand why it defaults to include finished listing, that always annoyed me. I'm just glad I can sort by price.

I can't even log on LM. When I enter my email it's telling me that it's incorrect. When I enter my username, it's asking me to enter an "@" but when I still do, it's not accepted.

LM set up a support form for the new website, link is in the footer of the site

HWC is back guys. Apparently someone on this board knows her well enough to know it was her husbands birthday recently too.

>>9124104
Don't like the new formatting at all/ Why not just add sorting options that work to the existing layout?

LM isn't up at all for me yet. I'm glad they're updating, though.

Looks like their DNS updated, the site should be up on Google DNS

I'm getting "egl.lacemarket.us’s server DNS address could not be found." (lacemarket.us automatically redirects to the egl.lacemarket.us url.) Anybody else with this issue?

they're still updating, be patient. i assume it will take time for google to update the servers too.

i just tried to log in and i was rejected, gonna give it some more time before i try again.

I'm looking for a tumblr/(maybe it was) insta post from a lolita who I think was Canadian saying she felt her weight made people not appreciate her as much as lolita and go on a rant to that affect. I think she's lost weight now but was never large in the first place.

R.I.P. Lacemarket this new look is awful.

Since there's no clothing care thread I thought I'd ask here. I washed a chiffon dress recently because it smelled mildewy, most of the dress smells nice and fresh but there is some lace on the sleeves and bottom that still smells. Is there anything I can do to spot treat it so I don't have to re-wash the dress again.

>>9124990
If it is just a smell try spraying rubbing alcohol on it. This should kill whatever bacteria is left over. If it has a stain then try oxyclean and laundry detergent for delicates.

Swing Furry Puppy is so cute! One of the prints that debuted at the Mechacon fashion show. I'm so glad I got to see it in person!

lol new lacemarket design doesn't let you delete listings or edit their duration? at least, i'm not able to do this.

>listed something to test
>can't remove it

>>9124995
Thanks! I'll give it a try.

>>9124025
HHHNNNGH. I love the non sweet Halloween prints. I can't wait to put this on my body.

>>9124025
>>9124019
Waiting for more/better pictures but this looks better than pretty much everything since Merrymaking in the Ghost Town. I'm a little excited.

The cat however is creepy.

>>9123989
There's probably not enough pieces being sold to justify its own category

>>9124518
Same, anon. Same.

>>9124971
Same. I'm just going to look at the new layout tomorrow and wait for more reviews

>>9124983
It's like they made the mobile version and left it at that for the desktop. What why. Not to mention grid view on mobile looks exactly the same as list view, and it's still too verbose.

>>9124104
>>9124983
I like the new layout actually. I prefer the grid view. I like that I can see the items photos larger and more clearly.

The new LM layout reads very much like a student's first design project...I could make something better looking and more functional in like an hour.
For people who tested the beta, did they listen to suggestions or anything?

>>9125177
Yeah, they were very responsive to me when I was providing feedback for the test site.

>>9125177
I didn't provide any feedback about the layout, but it looks better than the beta. I found bugs and reported them and they were all fixed so far.

>>9125074
The creepy cat is amazing. It looks exactly like those antique ceramic headed cat dolls.

>>9125005
My fake listing deleted and edited OK, so seems it's fixed. Also, I was able to paste a gif in the body of the listing. Lolllllllll

Is LM down for anyone else?

>>9125285
Not for me anon.

>>9125285
I can't access it either. I haven't been able to all day.

>>9125292
I'm using Firefox.

>>9125289
Are you using another web browser to access LM?

>>9125296
I'm on Chrome on my mobile.

>>9125296
I've tried on multiple platforms and browsers and no luck.

>>9125298
Lace market.us redirects to http://egl.lacemarket.us for me. Probably isn't the problem, but I thought I'd suggest it anyways in case yours isn't redirecting.

>>9125304
Yeah, it is for me too.

>>9125285
It's down for me. Can't get on it on my laptop or my phone.

This is an odd question I know, but I figure here is the best place to get an answer.

How do you adjust to not being able to buy as much lolita as you used to? I'm starting grad school in September and so predictably I've had to scale back my spending since school is full time. Yet, I can't shake the feeling that I'm "falling behind" because of it and even find myself staring at secondhand or taobao releases that I don't even like just because I could still afford them and thus be adding to my wardrobe.

How do you allow yourself to shift priorities to things that are important while continuing hobby that seems to stress collecting and spending?

>>9125398
Two words: Stop looking.

>>9125278
how did delete your listing? i still don't see the option when i edit mine. am i missing an obvious button?

>>9125398
I just started grad school. Sorry, but your choice in grad school came at the expense of a lot of things but is ultimately worth it. It's not fun and it sucks giving up hobbies you love, but it's true.

Turn your degree into a big salary and buy all the dresses forever afterwards.

>>9125398

I'm not really sure how less time = buying less burando, to be honest. I find it easier to keep up with burando with time constraints since you can subscribe directly to their blog/twitter feed instead of going through the LU page, and most of them release on time anyway, so all you need is to make sure your Fridays/Saturdays are free, decide if you want to buy a dress, click through and be done. Unlike taobao/secondhand, where you practically have to scour all the pages every day in case something really good pops up somewhere, or those effing taobao indie brands that show you a preview, then you check their weibo every day for like a year before realising they're never going to release that one print you actually liked.

So, assuming you mean you have less money and less time, first thing is to figure out a budget, and how many dresses you can buy per month/year. After that, it's easier to keep up with just your favorite brand, or if you want to, keep up with tenshishopping's facebook since she posts Kera reveals on there, target the one dress that you can buy (or, if nothing catches your fancy, roll the money over in case two pretty dresses come out next time), close the window, then go back to studying.

fyi, the hobby doesn't really revolve around buying and hoarding, if you've been in the hobby for awhile you'd start losing closet space and slow down in purchases anyway. If you need alternative ways to enjoy lolita, find a lolita meetup to dress up for and look forward to, or do the coord challenges with your existing wardrobe (10 items 7 coords, 30 daily coords, 14 days of x brand, etc). Or just do online polyvore coords, throw them up on a tumblr somewhere, and then forget about them.

Does anyone have a good list of scholarly/academic articles to do with Lolita Fashion? I've found a couple good ones but I'm certain that there's been someone before me who must have compiled them into a list. At least, that's what I'm hoping for.

>>9125435
I meant it simply in that I will have less money since I won't be working as school is full time. My apologies for the lack of clarity. Solid advice regardless and I appreciate it. Particularly your last bit since as you pointed out I am indeed losing space anyways.

>>9125417
>>9125401
Thank you for the advice as well. Hard pill to swallow but I'd rather ensure being able to to buy what I want in the future as a professional in my field than stay as I am now.

for the love of fucking god why would they not make the default view on LM only show active listings?

>>9122115
>She needs to stop being her own favorite hobby

Why should she though? God forbid someone actually loves themselves.

>>9125440
http://eprints.utas.edu.au/15944/1/front-staite-thesis-2012.pdf
http://www.kinsellaresearch.com/new/Cuties%20in%20Japan.pdf
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/368549/summary
I have a few here that friends have used. Would be great if you can include the ones you have found so anyone searching an archive can find them.

>>9125497
This.
everyone here is so anti-anything-positive.

>>9125082
Okay but like I said, there are smaller brands with less being sold that do have one.

>>9125479
I still can't access the site. What the heck is going on? I just bid on a jsk before it went down.

>>9124736
I'm pretty sure their contact form was officially broken recently, seconded that you should just email
(is there only one employee/SS manager in clobba btw or do we just happen to have the same rep?)

>>9125853
works completely fine for me, try a different device or browser and try clearing caches maybe

>>9125856
Ive done all that, tried different devices, browsers, used the direct IP. I don't know what else to do.

Its been a long time since mirakuma or whatever... so is there a new SS that goes on closetchild runs for multiple people so they dont charge as many fees? Im looking for items i know they have in stock but theyre not on the sales page.

Any Polish lolitas on here? I'm planning to send an undervalued package through Tenso with EMS to Poland, what's the chance that customs will get funny with me about it? Will they demand to see the invoices?

>>9125876
I'm having the same issue.

So I got this and it was missing a button. I measured and ordered the pink ones from Italy which should've matched the originals but the shitty seller didn't measure them right and had misleading pictures. Should I leave it as is, sew one of the pink buttons on since it's pretty close, or replace all three with the clear faceted buttons or pink buttons (or just keep trying to find the right kind of pink button).

>>9125876
Same here, originally I got a message saying they would be up in another hour but it's been a day
>Still haven't heard from the person I'm buying from and I'm worried

>>9125398
>>9125417
Graduated from grad school last year. It's extremely important to focus on school work and budget for tuition than on buying lolita fashion. I only bought three dresses and they all came from paychecks I earned from an internship.

Although I could not get into my profession after graduation, I parlayed my degree into a more satisfying career.

>>9122164
That magazine was a treasure and I'm so sad it was discontinued.

>>9125398
I'm trying to change my mentality about this too since I'm going back to school next year. I'm nervous but I would rather sacrifice a little so that I can spend more later. I dislike the position I am in right now even though it's comfortable. I just hope that it pans out

>>9125954
you haven't possibly bought a Baby raincoat by chance I guess?

I'm having trouble with LM all day, and already contacted LM on facebook, but I'm not sure they'll reply anytime soon.

>>9126056
No, it was a Baby blouse. The seller has my PayPal though so she can contact me through there if there's an issue...I hope it'll be okay

>>9126056
>>9126086
i bought something right after the change too, no messages for me through LM. the seller did manage to invoice me ok, so i guess it's just LM being buggy.

>>9126086
well, if the seller can't access the LM site at all, she won't have your paypal. at least that's in my case.

wish we would get LM emails with paypal addresses in them

>>9125497
Nothing wrong with loving yourself and having self confidence. Everything wrong with expecting everyone else to lick your ass because you think you're fucking amazing.

>>9125505
There's positive and there's "I'm super speshul and alternative and edgy and you should worship me because heehee I'm a nerd but still so kawaii".

Did lacemarket get an update? Someone still cares about the site? What?

Can't tell if some of the people praising the new LM update actually like it or just kissing ass

>>9126160
I think people are just so excited that someone cares about the site again. They got new mods a few months ago, nobody had anything good to say about it on here. They implemented really useful changes (scrolling feedback, fixed troll negative feedback), they've been doing a lot.
I don't like the new layout, but I'm willing to give it time and see how they improve it. People can live a few days without LM if it means getting a better site.

>>9125907
You might have better luck asking in the mail thread, anon

>>9126090
>>9126095
Nevermind, it's back up for me, I hope it's back up for her

>>9126195
Well......never fucking mind again it's stopped working

Is there like a new url for LM or something? Every single time I try to go to it it tells me "server not found" no matter what computer or browser I use.

>>9125991
Do you know how many volumes they made anon? I'm interested in acquiring more.

Time for more OC. If you post it to FB/tumblr/etc please say you got it here.

Dressy Time JSK

>>9126275
Dressy Time Dress
Basically the OP version.

>>9121134
trump chan is kawaii as fuck

Anyone else permanently done with LM?

>>9126220
egl.lacemarket.us but it should be redirecting you.

I don't know if I hate the design because it's new or because it's shit. But why did they remove thumbnail pictures on the "my auctions/sales" site? For what purpose?

>>9126034
I believe it will, anon. I wish us both luck.
>>9125989
Thank you for the feedback. I know that it must be done, but it is nice hearing from others who did it.

>>9124976
Kanonique?

>>9126287
Can't wait to spend the 10k I'm gonna save on taxes on brand instead. Thanks trump-senpai.

Which burando have instagram?

>>9126095
But paypal is the worst

>>9126298
Not that anon, but it's redirecting me but still giving me that message. Back to livejournal then...

>>9126220
Their DNS is still propagating, and they're estimating it'll take another 24 hours to reach all networks, which is why you can't access the site. You can change your computer's settings to use Google's public DNS if you want, which should allow you to access the site.

Sauce: Had the same issue and PM'd LM about it.

>>9126290
I wasn't, but apparently it's done with me kek

>>9125398
>>9125398
I started buying lolita while in grad school, using a couple thousand of my savings. While I'm paying back loans, I just resell things I'm tired of and use it to buy new items. It works pretty well, I'm maintaining my bank balance now and haven't cut back on spending much

>>9126383
Thank you anon I was worried it was dead for me
>Like inflate chan was, RIP

>>9126090
LM Dev here. If you are having troubles with messaging, please contact us at the primary email lacemarketnet@gmail.com so we can figure out what's going on. Don't see any errors in the logs, and we've run multiple tests to try to break messaging to no avail. If you're experiencing messaging problems, we need more info to fix it.

DNS Propagation Issues. If you need to access LM and your DNS is not propagated, go to your Network Settings on your computer and set the DNS to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, this is Google's Public DNS and will tide you by until the propgation finishes.

More info:
https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/

How to change your DNS:
Mac: https://www.opennicproject.org/configure-your-dns/how-to-change-dns-servers-on-a-mac/
Windows: http://www.geeksquad.co.uk/articles/how-to-change-your-dns-windows-10

Please boost this, so we can get this issues resolved for more people soon.

>>9126290
Despite the growing pains, it's still my favorite site. Just sold an item today, I love being able to buy and sell secondhand domestically without risking ripoff like the last time I used the b/s/T thread

>>9126424
I've changed my DNS and I still can't get it working.

Finally got LM to work buy changing the DNS. I like it fine. Isn't that much different from the old site on how it displays the images.

I don't sell on it, so can't say anything about that side.

>>9126351
bless trump chan everyday to get precious burando

>>9126424
Why is Chantilly and Enchantlic Enchantilly in the list of brands? Shouldn't it just be one?

>>9124025

I'm a sweet lolita but I have a super soft spot for anything Halloween. I thought I was going to get a halloween print last year but I didnt really -love- any of them. This one though, is freaking gorgeous.

>>9125401
Honestly, so true. Very simple and honest and it works. When I want to buy buy buy, it's because I let myself keep looking. If I seriously need to buckle down and stop buying things, then I have to tell myself not to look at new updates, not to check sales comms, not to check any secondhand sites, and to just keep scrolling past things on my newsfeed.

If you find it hard to have self control like that you may want to unsubscribe from updates and notifications from certain FB groups, and you may even want to consider blocking certain websites.

What are some cute prints that include rabbits? I only know about Leifs Garden Berries

>>9126994
Too many to name. Try searching for "rabbits" or even "bunnies" on lolibrary, you should get a whole bunch of results.

how do i explain to my lolita-curious friend that hot topic dresses are not lolita and shouldn't be used as JSKs? pic related. obviously it's not lolita but i can't put into words exactly why HT dresses don't work.

>>9127044
here's another example of a hot topic dress. this one seems especially difficult to me because it has a similar cut to other lolita JSKs and leaves room in the skirt portion for a petticoat

>>9126117
>Everything wrong with expecting everyone else to lick your ass because you think you're fucking amazing.

Except when/how does she do that? Someone sure has a salty grudge.

>>9127044
Maybe see if you can find a similar dress from an established lolita brand to compare, and point out all the differences that make one lolita and the other not lolita. Like pic related or the AP Melody Doll JSK (although that one isn't really a JSK in the classical sense)

>>9126347
I think that's her but it looks like the post is gone. Thanks anon.

>>9127044
>too much cleavage, lolita is modest
>does not fit a petti underneath, shape is most important in lolita
>bad quality, show her the difference between brand and hot topic
>bad design, poor choice of tulle on the hem and weirdly placed details

Tell her she can wear these dresses but not in lolita. If she doesn't care to learn about the fashion beyond hot topic maybe it's not for her.

>>9127044
>>9127047
Just because a dress can fit a petti/ is a-line does not make it lolita.
If anything these look more like retro swing type dresses to me, especially with all that tulle sticking out.

I mean you can put these next to some actual lolita dresses and play spot the difference but here's a few thins to mention I guess: wrong bodice cuts and seams for lolita (there are like boob cups and ruching?), grommets on the first one, overall lack of lace and trim, no waist ties(?), all that fucking tulle, etc.
Also both these dresses would be ugly even for normie wear so there's no point in getting them for any style.

>>9126994
>http://lolibrary.org/category/tags/animals/rabbits
Here you go anon! :^)

>>9127044
>>9127047
The first one looks like it wouldn't really fit a petti.Actually with both dresses your lolita petti would be longer than the dress itself. The quality is not good enough for lolita either. And this is just my opinion but I think a blouse underneath would look out of place.

>>9126357
google it you dip.

>>9126424
LM doesn't even seem to recognize my username, are you still transferring accounts to the new site or is it and the feedback on it lost in cyberspace forever?

>>9126325
More money for our burando. I haven't searched for dresses in a while so I'm looking at it as wanting to go back to dream dress hunting

>>9126424
Thanks anon! It works for me.

Does anyone know some cheaper japanese indie brands? I want to fill up my wardrobe with some basic accessories that don't cost 50 euro but are also not bodyline.

>>9126123
You're delusional.

>>9127296
If anything, Japanese indie brands will be more expensive. Check out the handmade/craft thread, some people share their accessory stores and may take commission if you have something in mind.

>>9127296
Look at Wunderwelt, they usually have pretty cheap accessories

>>9127109
>>9127109
Could you email lacemarketnet@gmail.com with your username? We'll get it sorted out for you

Rufflecon cover voting where are you? I just want to see everyone's entry.

>>9127296
Alice + fururun has some super cheap accessories, I just got an old school BTSSB bow for five bucks during their sale

>>9127448
It's up now.

>>9127521

Man now I'm going to be eyeing results everyday till the 15th.

can anyone recommend good places to buy clip-in bangs? i always hate myself after i cut mine but i love the look of straight bangs in lolita.

>>9127681
Same. I feel like the lesbians one is going to win because...lesbians. It's not my favorite though.

>>9127109
It didn't recognize my username but I was able to log in with my email instead

Does anyone have experience with peacockalorium wristcuffs?
They have really good reviews, but I just got a pair in and they're kind of terrible.

>>9127719

I have no experience with them but whats bad with them? How can they mess up a wristcuff?

>>9127719
I own an underskirt by them, and some of my friends own wristcuffs, a couple have multiple pairs because of the custom colours. I've always thought they were lovely when I've seen them worn. I recommend contacting the owner if you are unhappy though as the customer service has always been good in my experience.

>>9127719
The quality has gone down. I own four pairs all bought at different times and they go from decent to trash. They're too short and scratchy

>>9127688
I got mine from this place. I just wanted some cheap ones to see if a fringe suits me before buying an expensive one but it turned out to be a really good buy! It blends near perfectly with my natural colour (my hair is a shade or two lighter) and looks real enough to fool people. Only issue is that it's really thick but I took it to my hairdresser and she sorted it out for me.http://m.aliexpress.com/item/32471151645.html?productId=32471151645&productSubject=Sweet-Short-Fringe-Bangs-Front-Clip-In-Hair-Extensions-Clip-On-Bangs-Hair-Extension-Hairpiece-Black&tracelog=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail

>>9127681
Hopefully it will be a cheat-free year. I bet their decision to select from among the top three voters' picks has to do with the suspicious votes from likely bots last time.

>>9127697
i thought it was some kind of softcore shota x loli thing, i hope it's actually meant to be lesbians.

i am gonna have a mighty kek if voters pick this or any of the other covers that have child-looking lolitas on them.

>>9127760
thanks anon! love that they have shipping from the US

>>9127786
Either way, judges pick from the top 3.

>>9127734
Contrast lace doesn't match bow and beads like the listing said it would, ribbon ends crooked and obviously stained by whatever keeps them from fraying, the seams are in two entirely different spots for each piece, and the lace is even more scratchy than I expected.
They were really cheap though and arrived in good time, so I'm willing to give them another chance. Just disappointing after seeing all those 5 star reviews.

>>9127719
Dude, I have owned a couple of pairs and I always feel like they don't live up to what people say. The designs are nice but the construction has been wonky every time.

After trawling the new LM I just realised it no longer says the specific country someone is from if they list it, just their region. Welp. That's unfortunate.

Anyone know where I can get some nice, non-party city quality opera-length gloves? I'm looking at some from What Katie Did currently but I'd like to explore my options.

>>9127786

This one?

>>9127903
It shows the country on my LM

>>9128034
Brown haired girl's thumb is on the wrong side.

>>9128034
It would be really cute if it wasn't weirdly sexual??? like whyyy

>>9128034
I wish we could distance the lolita community from animu style art but noobs love it
I always voted for the non anime EGL banner but that never worked either

>>9128133
That's going to drive me nuts now

>>9128133
I can't unsee it!

Alright, Dolly Dot is here, who's going for it?!

>>9128182
praying that i can get this secondhand later when i actually have income

>>9128182
>barette is upside-down and a totally different color
AP r u ok?

>>9128191
Same, times are tough right now. The OP would be adorable for meetups and the skirt would be great for casual wear. This is my favorite kind of AP. Understated cute.

>>9128182
For sure, but any SS like chibi still around who charge in yen and not USD?

>>9128226
Maybe you can request that they'd charge you in yen? You can always try buying from the Japanese site.

>>9127044
>>9127047
There's a newbie in my comm and I think she bought pic related and almost wore it to a meet? She was telling me about it and I was horrified.

She also does handmade stuff which looks really good but holy shit I can't tell her about how this isn't lolita because she actually knows a lot of lolita history - it was like all she talked about at the meets where I ran into her. I don't know why she thinks its okay to get something like this and call it lolita? She knows the fucking silhouette and the anatomy! MY HEAD IS FUCKING EXPLODING.

>>9127973
Maybe try a bridal store or fabric store with a bridal section

>>9128250
I showed this picture to my little sister and the first thing she said was, "The lace is so ugly!" (Followed by a comment about how HT models look too serious and kind of miserable.)

Maybe you can point that out to her? If a ten-year-old who isn't into the fashion can identify what isn't lolita, she should be able to.

>>9128182
that skirt straight up looks like its from ank rouge, well all of them do but the skirt especially.