/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Feels relevant to the last thread...

>>9294882

so as I promised in the other thread I wanted to talk about a little more serious topic (and after that I will dump pics)

The topic is: what makes a larp into a good larp?
Or to be more precise, how do we measure it?

I talked about this with a lot of people, and one of the problems is that you can enjoy yourself at a larp but the game could be still shit. You can enjoy the company of your friends while the rules are shit, the GMs are shit and the NPCs are shit, even the other players are shit too.
You can also feel shit in a good game, like you get all muddy and soaked while it isn't your thing. Or you just went to a game which wasn't for you. Or you managed to put an axe into your leg. Or someone took a shit in your campfire.
So we can safely cut that out of the equation.

What I came up as a definition for a good larp is something along the lines of "A larp is good if the organizers gives the most opportunity for enjoyment to their target audience"
Operating words are opportunity and target audience.
This means if the players doesn't use those opportunites the larp can still be considered good (although if they are unable to, though to the design of the game then it is obviously shit), and it's important that we are talking about the target audience. You can't make everyone happy so you should make the game for a specific target audience, no reason to cater every group.

Also it is important that when I say larp in this context I mean how it was put together. The rules, the logistics, the communications by the organizers, the story for it, etc. Not the actual event.
These are all mix together, especially the communication part which is very fucking important and some can be even objectively observed, like the rules system.

So, are there any interest for talking about this a little more in-depth?

>>9294883
>scissor sisters
And know the song "I can't decide" goes in my head

Also as promised I will post pics of larper girls with the origin country if known

This one is Czech Republic

UK, obviously

Germany

>>9294887
I would like to tack something onto this.
As someone who has only played table top RPG's I have always been interested in LARPING.
However I have never done it for two reasons.
1. I am the type of person who overdoes shit. So if were to go on a LARP I would commit getting a outfit I really enjoyed wearing, armor I thought was badass with a full intention to look the part I intended to play. But the reason I can't bring myself to do that is that I am dreadfully afraid that I will be over dressed to the point where people will be like "You just joined no you can't be a knight."
2. This kinda deals with point 1, but I am also afraid of going to a LARP and finding its just a huge "clich" type situation. Where if your not in with any of the cool kids no one wants anything to do with you.
How prevalent in the Larp community are these things? or are my fears unfounded?

Russia

Sweden

>>9294909
it's pretty much possible in the US.
In Europe it could happen too but isn't that likely.
Basically it's different in every game, so you should get informed about the specific game you want to go

Spanish (although the game was Drachenfest)

US

Probably german, but an international event.

>>9294921
Figured that by the sword.

>>9294919
Despite the helmet, he has the expression of saying something naughty and I can't even explain it.


Why don't HLF or Gropey open an actual decent Youtube channel and do great stuff?

>>9294901
Proof everyone in the last thread was wrong. 10/10 girls go to larp

>>9294928
>Why don't HLF or Gropey open an actual decent Youtube channel and do great stuff?
because we can't do great stuff, didn't you see that from all these threads?

Also we already talked about this: it needs a completely different skillset and setup to make good videos than to talk shit on an cossack-mongol cave painting museum

>>9294909
From a personal level, over doing it isnt really possible. players who show up looking boss as fuck as the best, brings so much more to game

You just cant come to game having done tons of amazing things ("I killed 3 dragons and am a lord and married to a princess"). Its totally fine to say all that shit. I played a character once that called himself the king of the forest. My outfit was definitely above the average there so a bunch of players listened to me and did what I told them. But its important to remember your adventure starts at game

From the clich thing. Yeah, that happens. But literally every game Ive been to has been noob friendly. While there always are shitters, find the cool people and hang tight

>>9294909
Where are you located?

>>9294928
Im totally with Hungarian >>9294931
on this. I can teach in person, I can talk on the internet, but I don't think I'd make good videos, and don't want to end up being a youtube shithead like Skalagrim or Lindybinge.

Also, I lack the camera equipment and hate my voice when recorded.

>>9294931
>>9294939
Aw, this sucks. I feel like your knowledge could've contributed a lot.

What's wrong with Skal and Lindy?

german... or swiss, or austrian or something along that line

>>9294945
My only problem with Skal is that he doesn't do it professionally enough.
While most of what he says is okayish he presents it in a way that isn't accurate enough or like a surprised chiled who will show you the NEXT BEST THING

Lindybinge is just pulling things out of his ass half the time. The other half he is either correct or close to the truth which makes the false things even more dangerous as your average viewer won't know when is he talking bullshit and because he seen some true stuff he will assume everything else must be true too. Also he is rambling and not in a good or enjoyable way.

>>9294945
Skal is knowledgeable, but uneducated and presents like an aspie. Lindy is uneducated and frankly, thinks he's smarter than he really is.

Hungarian (as he's been doing all day it seems) breaks it down well >>9294952. Lindy is frankly, a problem. He's well spoken, and delightfully British, which means people mistake him for an authority, when he knows jack shit.

By the by, crossposting from /tg/

Who wants to win free stuff?

The order of the bucket knight is one of nobility, honor and stolen kitchenware, and is something of a running gag for larpthread. Show us your best armour made of kitchen utensils, buckets and other "found objects", and you have a chance of winning the pictured items: One sealed reproduction deck of the 17th/18thC I. Hardy playing cards, a set of wooden dice, and a lovely bag for it all.

To enter, simply post your best bucket-knight costume, and email the same pic to screwloosecircus@gmail.com so I know who is who. The best gets the prize, with points for humor, realism (IE, is it using historic/larp themed items vs a tshirt and a plastic pasta strainers) and action/theme. Sadly, due to my educator's salary, I will be limiting this to US and Canadian entries only for now.

sweden, or at least scandinavia

germany

hungary

hungary (the middle one counts as a girl officially now)

>>9294963
>knowledgable, but uneducated

What did he mean by this?

>>9294978
He knows stuff, people told them stuff, and also he figured out a few stuff.
But he never actually researched or studied stuff in an academical way

>>9294978
And again, Hungarian clarifies. >>9294981

Czech Republic

Canada

>>9295009
Any good tutorials on how to make a crossbow?
I'd love to try one but most are way too expensive for me

>>9295014
I have step-to-step photos of how one guy made a crossbow here, although that might not be for beginners.
But try this pic and see if you can understand it or not

Australia

>>9295016
Yeah, thats pretty intense. I'm comfortable with making shit, but thats a little more heavy into mechanics for me.
Ill start poking around the net for something a little simpler.
As a side note, what determines the draw strength? Just the wood? Wood and string?

I've got a few pictures, not sure about source of any of them.

>>9295013
My kind of nun. The touchy kind.

>>9295021
This makes me wonder though: What's everyone's opinion on modern (or generally non setting appropriate) fashion things that can't just be taken off?
Things like obviously dyed hair, large piercings, tattoos, etc?

>>9295051
Oh my god, I love her costume! I'm a sucker for super detailed scrap clothing

>>9295056
>>9295054
Her too!

>>9294909
1. Do it. If you're a Europoor you'll fit in nicely, and if you're an American you'll blow some of the vets (possibly literally) out of the park. Even if the event has no standards or the likes, having a great costume is a must, if not just for yourself. It's half the fun of LARPing!
2. In America this might be a bit of a problem more than in Europe, but we got them here too. The easy way to deal with it is doing just a small bit of research, ask around on this thread and some others about the event you're attending. Furthermore, if even they're a little clique-y just step up to a clique member in the group on Facebook.
You don't have to outright tell him you're scared of falling off the boat, but just ask him if they're still looking, or maybe for a way to get an IC connection with them during downtime.

>>9294887
And how would we/you decide what makes a game filled with good opportunities? That'd need a pretty in-depth analysis, from a whole lot of sides. Because maybe you got a good amount of personal plot. But Davey from next camp over got shit and spent most of his event doing menial shit. You'd have to get a whole lot of people their review on the game to do it.
Maybe make a bit of a basic Google doc for it, and ask players to fill it in post-game.

>>9294965
Reeeeeeee Gropey, I'll see if I can dig up my gnome-ish knight of the kitchentable outfit for the brownie points then.

>>9295050
>>9295051
>>9295054

Sweden / scandinavia

>>9295022
none of them.
Well the string a little.
Mostly it's the horn and how tight the sring is on it so you vary a little by putting longer/shorter string on it but that's not an options with real crossbows for various reasons, though can work with larp crossbows (and of course you can put on elastic bands for larp crossbows too which is a different setup)
The wood only decides the draw length, which in reality should fit the length of the bolts.
And we measure the draw strength on the draw length so as you can see it's all tied together a little

>>9295194
This is purely "academic" or philosophical question for me, I don't think we can effectively measure games in a truly objective way because it has too many subjective stuff. That's why I try to cut out the subjective stuff from it as much as I can and see what's left.
The feedbacks while important for organizing viewpoint (because communication should be always a two-way thing) they can't tell how much opportunity was given to the players, only how much opportunity they realized. So this is mostly good for the organizer to see if his communication and setup was working or not outside of the drawing table

And yeah, lot of in-depth analysis is needed to truly know the answer BUT here is the thing: if some of the beforementioned things are missing we can safely assume that the larp is shit from an organizing viewpoint. Like if there is little to no communication between the players and the organizers. Or if the target audience isn't clearly defined, etc.
As I said this doesn't mean that the players can't enjoy it, but the concept of the game is flawed and there is a greater chance that sooner or later bad things will start to happen.
With not clearly defined AND communicated target audience there is a greater chance that someone goes to the larp that isn't for him. Maybe it's a game heavily about intrigue and doing detective work, but the guy excepted heavy fighting and such and likely he will be dissapointed.

Probably gonna get shit for this, but self post incoming. UK larpfag, kit from the 2 systems I do, though the post apoc is from a convention (hence the weapon) rather than larp.

I wouldn't say I'm a 10, or even close, but like, I don't think I'm hideous?

>>9295239
Girl, you aren't hideous and your props look nice, don't worry.
The only thing I'd suggest as another larp girl is trying different styles of make up between characters/kits. Don't get me wrong, you look great but diversity can be fun and make your character stand out more from your previous ones!

>>9295239
Woukdn't say a 10 by the scale of the last thread, but I was about to write something angry about you trolling and how there's no way such gorgeous girls are on the larpthread and so, so if that's really you I guess that means you're pretty high up and all

Finland

>>9295241
Thanks! Yeah, I did end up looking quite same-y with both makeups, but they're also very different systems, so I wasn't too fused XD

>>9295242
hahaha thanks, I guess? XD And yes, genuinely me. Long time lurker, rarely post tho.

Estionian

>>9295239
nothing wrong with you, although personally I found piercings a huge turndown

Croatia

>>9295239
Holyshit those eyes in the first pic. Are those contacts, as that colour of blue is really good.

Also, what system is that pic from?

>>9295260
They're actually grey contacts XD but my real eyes are bright blue, so eveything just ends up blue. It's from Empire :) It get's a lot of shit, but desu I really enjoy it :)

>>9295264
I was going to say Navarr by the markings, but I know other systems have similar stuff so didn't want to assume.
I'm Dawnish currently, used to be Wintermark but moved nation.

I've never seen Empire get any shit, apart from nerds raging about the recent rules changes, but I absolutely love the setting and game.

>>9295265
Haha yeah, Navarri Changeling! I'm one of the Y'Basden lot XD I think if I moved nations, I'd go to Wintermark,I have a lot of friends over there :)

I've seen people bitching on here, and I have know some larp snobs from other systems that rag on it too haha :')

Czech Republic (Or Poland, but not that likely)

Russia

UK

Germany, but international event so who knows?

US

How come HLF has ao many qt LARPer pics?

(A-Also, are there qt LARP dudes as well?)

>>9295332
I collect them.
And yes there are qt larper dudes too although I'm less qualified to decide which ones counts as qt

US, probably

Also I realized a problem. Most of the larp girl pics I have, where I can recognize the country of origin AND it's not a shit tier pic is mostly from germany/scandinavia and bunch of hungarians. And overrepresenting those countries would probably be a dick move.
Then again, this isn't a representative collection so there is that

Canada

>>9295333
can you just upload this entire album somewhere? this is great inspiration desu!

>>9295359
60 GB? sorry no.
First of all I don't have a big enough online storage for this, secondly my internet connection is a shit tier 10Mb/s because Hungary.
Also it's an unsorted mess, I put ther reenactment, arms and armour and even cosplay pics too, so I cheated a little with the folder. Although the games where I've been actually are kind of properly separated in sub folders.
Plus there are a few pics there that not necessarily public

Czech Republic

>>9295270
I like the Y'basden, fought next to them a few times over the years when I was a Wintermarker.

Loving it in Dawn though, no regrets on switching nation, and I still visit Wintermark often enough to catch up with folks from my old Hall.

>>9295055
Thats ze nunne, and she is not a nice person IRL.

>>9295194
REEEE! NORMIES WEAR POTS!

>>9295239
Ignore the neckbeard douchebro. You look fine.

Is that a full opaque cataract lens?

>>9295332
>How come HLF has ao many qt LARPer pics?
Why do you think?

>(A-Also, are there qt LARP dudes as well?)
Of course.

>>9295333
Do you happen to have some dexfags/polearmers/archers in there? So far I 've mostly been heavy infantry shieldbro and switching my style might be nice, so any inspo is welcome (Fantasy and Re-enactment/history alike)

>>9295452
narrow it down a little as it's a fuckhuge category

>>9295456
anyway until you narrow it down I little I will be a selfish bastard and post landskenchte as they are pretty much polearm users.

>>9295446
Which hall were you? This year was my first year at Empire :) My first year larping in general desu.

>>9295448
haha thanks :) I don't think anyone was being a douche tho? It's a white mesh lens, so I can still kinda see :) Probably wouldn't wear it for actual larp though, because I'd prefer perfect vision haha! Especially in an airsoft larp! (That + eyepro = blind)

Anyone ever make leather turn shoes?

Was going to make a pair, and I have 8/9 oz veg tan double shoulders to use for soles, but it occurred to me I also have some old busted sperry flip flops with thin soft rubber soles I could pull off.


Can't decide though if I should use them on my turn shoes. Would give better grip certainly and probably improve durability, but would they look like shit? Should be pretty innocuous I'd think and being translucent tan certainly would help, but still.


Either way, if I'm gonna do it, would be a hell of a lot easier to go ahead and attach it to the leather sole before sewing them up rather than fucking around with it after the fact.


pic related, want to make something like that or maybe the low cut shoe version.


Also boot or shoe? Which would be more versatile for medieval through early renaissance?

>>9295484
generally speaking if it's for a larp then no probelm in adding the rubber soles. Noone will give a fuck, and those who does can be called out as retards.

And while boots might be better in a lot of situation, shoes make your lower leg visible more which means others can see your (hopefully) tightly fitted hose and all o it's marvelous colors

>>9295491
>And while boots might be better in a lot of situation, shoes make your lower leg visible more which means others can see your (hopefully) tightly fitted hose and all o it's marvelous colors
Haha that's kind of what I was thinking. As cool as boots are shoes are better suited to finery.


As far as others noticing I'm not worried, I just can't make up my own mind as to how I feel about it. But why should I care? The pros seem to massively outweigh the cons, the sole would be barely noticeable.

>>9295497
also boots were nearly always for sailors and cavalry, for pretical reasons. Others usually went with the shoes

also this one probably counts as "cute larper guys"

Is aluminum chainmail ever worth it?

>>9295456
Landsknechte are cool!
I don't think I can pull it off though, looks like something that requires a group and most of my friends play 'solo' concepts.

>Narrow it down
Would it be easier for you if I narrowed down the category itself (i.e. Halberd users) or specify things for the character type I wanna get into?

>>9295519
If you want something lighter and cheaper. itll cost less but much more likely to break

>>9295534
doesn't matter I have fuckton of stuff. Say what you want to see on the pic and I will find such stuff.

>>9295519
For costume/boffer larps, yes. Way better than the bullshit about spray painting a sweater.

For anything serious though, no. Too flimsy, and the weight of the drape is part of the protection. It looks very obviously aluminum, even when darkened.

Germany, international event

>>9295470
Fjellreven Hall, not one of the big ones by far, we used to have around 8-10 of us, but some of us moved to Dawn and one went to the League so they tend to only get 3-4 on field now.

>>9295519
>>9295535
Shit, every set of Aluminium chain I've seen has been more expensive than my bloody steel hauberk.
I do want a set of alu-chain for wandering around the main camps, it's so light and flexible it's great for hiding under clothes. Keeping the steel for battlefield conditions though.

>>9295493
is that spike supposed to be bent?

>>9295519
>>9295605
My friend did exactly this
Wore aluminum when he wore plate/clothes on top
steel when that was the focus

>>9295484
I've made several. The question is, are you attaching a sole to the outside, or is it a soft sole? Welting a thick piece of leather (called sole bend, as thats what its typically used for) is a little difficult, but the utility, comfort and extension of life on the shoe is well worth it.

Pic related.

>>9295614
No, but weapons break, bot in larp and irl.

>>9295625

>>9295614
nope but it happens every now and then

>>9295055
Depends, imo. With tattoos, as long as it's nothing obviously anachronistic you can sometimes pass it off as in-character (a barbarian with tribal tattoos, for instance). Same with piercings, like a Fantasy India culture having nose chains like the real thing. Hair is the least immersion-breaking imo, since it's easy enough to just say "in my setting this hair color is natural."

In general, I figure if there's no way to remove it, burden is on the player to play a character who can reasonably have those accessories without it being too out of place. It's tricky territory though.

>>9295056
Yeah, one of my eventual larp goals is to be able to make scrap clothing that looks good. Still haven't quite gotten there.

Anyway, I had more, but my internet shit itself last night so I couldn't finish. So I'll continue that now.

>>9295055
Well, I can document all my piercings and tattoos, and simply don't wear certain ones for certain social classes at historic events.

In fantasy larp, it depends on the culture of the setting.

>>9295228
Thanks

>>9295230
>Or if the target audience isn't clearly defined, etc.
I think the target audience is one of the most important parts, yeah. Because of how subjective larp quality can get, it's difficult if not impossible to measure a game's quality without knowing its target audience.

For example, most of us here would probably consider it good design for a larp to use little or no damage calls. But even that is subjective, because if the target audience is people who want to play a more relaxed game, there's good communication between the runners and the players, and the system is still organized so that new players aren't being shit on, then it might still be a good larp.

>>9295637
Sweden

>>9295649
Sweden/scandinavia

>>9295651
Czech Republic

>>9295651
Pretty sure thats from Mandalore

>>9295655
Oh, you.

>>9295656
that one seems UK, but I'm not entirely sure

And that's it for me.

>>9295657
Norway, according to her deviantart page but I'm not sure if she is larping or not

>>9295660
Finland, again, according to deviantart and it seems like that's only a cosplay, not sure if she went to larp or not

>>9295656
>>9295659
Yup, was taken at Empire. I'm about 20 yards to the right off screen

>>9295664
Yeah, I wasn't sure if those two were larps or not, but they seem close enough. Thanks again!

>>9295625
The flip flop rubber sole is thin and very flexible, figured if I used it I would sew it to the leather sole before attaching the upper, then turn it all together.

I've never made shoes before though so I'm just kind of guessing what would work or not, but none of it seems terribly complicated.

>>9295764
you can glue it on too. I cheated a little with my leather shoe after it's sole was eaten away by use so after the a new sole was sewn on it I glued a second one there so that's what will get eaten away first by use

Czezh Republic

>>9295764
Yeah, as Hungarian said, don't sew rubber, the holes weaken it. Glue it with sole glue.

>>9295801
Would go adventuring with in jolly cooperation.

I <3 sole glue. My family always has a tube around for when our daily shoes' sole comes a little loose. Glue, then wrap in tape for a day and a half to set is the normal policy. It takes quite some effort, and often some ripping of the sole to remove it. Would wholeheartedly recommend sole glue to anyone doing anything shoe related.

>>9295553
First of all, thank you for helping!
Looking for:
Lightly armoured (Gambeson/Chestplate since leather isn't my thing) people with a Glaive/Partisan/Poleaxe (Naginatas and parallel culture weapons work as well. Weapons on poles between 1.8-2.4 you can chop/smash with).

Dual wielders with bladed weapons.

Archers that are not Elves or super flimsy people.

>>9295877
I can help.

>>9295887
>Lightly armoured

>>9295890

>>9295877
Hey hey, not all elves are super athletic pencils. As an overweight linebacker build elf, I take offence.

If only there were a decent traditional/high fantasy larp near me. I'd be the best elf ever...

>>9295877
>Glaive/Partisan/Poleaxe

>>9295897
>As an overweight linebacker build elf
... This requires pictures.

>>9295899

>>9295897
And before someone try's to suggest larps to me, we've already covered this, I'm in a land exclusively of boffer tag, way to realism real metal, and steampunk, and werewolf chamber larp.

>>9295901


>>9295902
We can't tell that since you're anon. Where you at?

>>9295899
If I had a full kit built (which would require a decent larp nearby), then I'd provide pic of me, but until I find a decent larp, the extent of my kit will remain only the ears (and those take time to put on [and I need sleep]).

>>9295903
Most dual wielding is retarded, so:
>Archers that are not Elves or super flimsy people.

>>9295904
You bring shame to the house of Meaty McElfman

>>9295903
Trust me. Closest I could do to almost decent is a two hour drive south to Atlanta, or the actual local SCA branch.

As to location, just north of the Tennessee river in Tennessee above the Georgia/Alabama line [ImASpoiler](Greater Chattanooga)[/TotallyNotASpoiler]

>>9295910
Two hours isn't a long drive. I day trip events farther than that.

>>9295908
Err, excuse me, meditative rest state, in which at the slightest disturbance will stab the nearest being.

>>9295914
This is true, and I actually have weekends free now, so yea!!!

>>9295915
Shove it in your knothole, Keeb.

>>9295918
Indeed

>>9295928
You do realize those are both me... Right?

>>9295930
No, because you are an anonymous knife-ear.

>>9295932
So is this better?

>>9295935
No, because you're still a shelf monkey, linebacker or not.

Around elves, watch yourselves.

>>9295941
Well your just a crazy human anyways, so what do I care.


Jk gropealope, I like you. Would fight along side of.

>>9295951
>Assuming im human
Check your privilege. In most games, my people are considered a magical race.

>>9295877
Not the greatest picture for individual details, but this shot has a few lightly armored pole fighters, at least.
I have a lot of pictures that fulfill part of your criteria but not all, it seems.

>>9295907
Haven't you been keeping up, Gropes? There's actual historical precedent for dual wielding.

That said, yes, most dual wielding done at larps is dumb and historically wrong.

>>9295957
One background halberd here too, and that's all I have.

>>9295955
>my people are considered a magical race.
Clowns?

>>9295967
I am a professional military science historian, and long time martial artist. I know all about fighting en case, Florentine, au second etc etc, and have even learned to fence in those styles.

I simply recognize that it is mostly retarded. Never said it wasn't historic or real. Its good for very limited application, but there is a reason we never see it in mass combat.

Lrn 2 reading comprehension

>>9295974
Gypsies.

>>9295977
Used to have gypsies in our game literally called Romani
then that was offensive, so they got a new name

>>9296001
It honestly doesnt bother me, but what bothers me is when they try to DEFEND it. Either just own up to it, or drop it. Don't try to convince me that its "ok".

Its like... Having "negro" as a race, where the players get black face, bonus spear skills, and favored class: Bard.

>>9296008
I get people not liking races that exist in real life.
My issue draws on races like drow or dark elves
Removing gypsies makes sense. Its not a fantasy race. But drow were removed at the same time for black face and racism.

>>9296031
>But drow were removed at the same time for black face and racism.
Just make them dark blue instead of black?
I mean orcs are still ok, right?

>>9296038
Blue face were already a people in the game. And yeah orcs fine

Its purely for black face. Which I don't understand from the degree of drow black is not the same color as black people. And People in game weren't being racist about it. There were no slurs or anything form the people playing drow or the other players.
Drow were basically replaced with a new race that didn't have black skin

>>9295977
I understood what you meant, my man, calm thyself. I was just pointing it out for those who would inevitably, several months from now, share a screenshot of your post claiming "See, Gropey said dual-wielding was retarded, therefore it never happened and anybody who uses two weapons in a larp is an idiot." No need to bust out the resume.

>>9296057
You came off like you were one of those people trying to prove him wrong tbf.

>>9296057
Yeah, as >>9296066 said. Especially with the salty failure of the /tg/ thread

>>9296008
I thought the favored class for negros AND gypsies are thief or rogue

>>9295877
alright let's see what can I find, I will post a bunch either until I get bored or you tell me to stop

also I presume you don't want spear users, and for the archers leather is a no go too

technically counts

Also, germany, international evenet

fuckknowsistan

>>9296258
The pictures are wonderful and I will never tell you to stop. Thank you and Gropey so much!

>>9295897
It's not the build as much as I dislike Elves and I lose like 3 look points if I shave.

>>9295955
Ahh fae wannabe.

All in good jest. I actually do very strongly dislike humans, and am an emotionless being irl though.

>>9296310
well if you come up with more specifics just do tell. Also I will post sporadically from now on as I have to cook and do stuff

>>9296310
Yea, I can understand the shaving bit. Some people just look better with facial hair.

Me though, my facial hair normally only shows for maybe an hour a day under precise lighting conditions (because its just barely a shade darker than my skin), so not is lost.

>>9296319
shit, wrong pic

>>9294872
Hey guys, I need some ideas. I've started making chainmail, and it's awesome, but I want to start on some scale mail too.

But with the scale mail, I'd like to produce the scales myself. Anybody have any ideas on doing it cheaply and efficiently? And making sure they're safe, and won't razor the shit out of larp weapons?

I tried googling, but most guides I can find seem to be "order them online, then follow this guide".

>>9296327
I should mention that the few guides I did find were essentially telling me to cut each one from hand. While I definitely can do that, I'm worried that if I cut them all out with tin snips their edges will be sharp and stabby.

>>9296327
the problem with making scales by yourself is that it needs a lot of labor and you probably don't have the proper machines for it.
And yess you should edge all the scales by hand by a file or grinder or something.
Also scales work the best if you give them a slight curve, so it's not just a flat piece of metal. That's also requires a lot of work

>>9296361
Damn, I was afraid of that. It's sounding like I should focus on making my own chainmail, and just buy the scales.

Thanks for the reply man.

>>9296327
Cutting them takes time, but with a cut-off wheel is easy. Dishing them also takes time, a large domed head lag-bolt is perfect for the curve.

Buy a sheet of metal and have at.

>>9296380
Damn, my /larp/ thread name is still on...

>>9296322
So far it seems that the combo of Chestplate/some body armour+Open face helm is rocking.
Any inspo is good. What I know I want from my set is to be:
-Useful at large-scale battles
-Decent at duels (Archers can use S&B, Polearmers use... Well, polearms.)
-Being able to be both comical and serious, tends to comical.
-Using something you could look flashy and cool with.
-Won't be strange to look at without a full unit.

Currently I'm thinikng of a Spanish Halberdier dude but any suggestions are great.

>>9296380
(Secretly I wish I looked good without facial hair because Elves are a e s t h e t i c)
Cool name. Stick with it.

>>9296404
>-Useful at large-scale battles
Landsknecht

>-Decent at duels (Archers can use S&B, Polearmers use... Well, polearms.)
Landsknecht. I mean where do even people get the idea that polearms are shit for duels? is that some kind of DnD meme?

>-Being able to be both comical and serious, tends to comical.
Landsknecht

>-Using something you could look flashy and cool with.
Motherfucking Landsknecht

>-Won't be strange to look at without a full unit.
It's Landsknecht o'clock

You might think I'm saying landsknecht a lot because I have a landsknecht kit and I'm into landsknecht reenactment but truth to be told it's not that.
It's because landsknechte are awesome... and I have a landsknecht kit and so on.

Or if you don't feel like a cool enough dude to be a landsknecht then go grab a classy shirt, a good doublet (not necessearily arming doublet) 16th century armour, baggy pants that goes to the knee, some tight knee socks and done.
But don't forget to do it in bright colors.
And have a hat. Hat's are important. The most important thing in fact. Feathers are a must have too on hats, on helmets it's optional but recommended

>>9296432
and now, let's see some individual landsknechte just so you can see that they can be awesome even when not in a group (although it's true that in their natural habitat (tavern and battlefield) they tend to be found in groups)

well, more or less individual, at least not large groups

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Unrelated, do you have any good pirate larp photos? Male or female (preferably female)

>>9296445
not really, mostly because I don't think there is such thing as a good pirate photo with the possible exception of photos of dead pirates

>>9295014
from an old popular mechanics if im not mistaken. I have the PDF on my phone... 1/6

Also shortened the name...

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2/6

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>>9296460
and now that I'm reminded about the crossbow issue, here is the step by step pictures I told you guys about previously, although we will probably hit image limit at the end of it.

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and we reached image limit

>>9296509
Much appreciating the Landsknecht dump, one of my favorite styles and periods.

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Awesome.
Crossbows on the list eventually

>>9296250
No no no. They get rogue-bard, we get bard-rogue. Duh.

>>9296327
>Any ideas on doing it cheaply and efficiently
Aside from buying them from ringlord.com, no. There is a reason it was rare and unpopular in history.

>>9296331
Files, power sander, sandpaper... Same as any metal that needs burnishing.

>>9296404
> Spanish Halberdier
What period? Get some jack chains.

>>9296445
A pirate is just a sailor who's made bad life choices.

But for serious, do you mean like, NOT!18thC larp rather than medieval fantasy?

>>9296432
>Idea that polearms are shit at duels
From my experience, you'll get fucked by any decent and up shieldman.

As for the rest:
-Would a Landsknecht work with a weapon like a rapier as well? What do they use in off-battlefield time? I don't suppose they carry the Halberd everywhere.

-What would a flashy Landsknecht fight like in a duel? Did they have champions or anything?

-Would they fit in a group of non-Landsknechte? Like as one of the classic high fantasy trope characters

-Supposing you got good enough answers to all of the above, how do I into Landsknecht?

>>9296668
>From my experience, you'll get fucked by any decent and up shieldman.
That's only the case if either the polearm user is less skillfull than the shieldman, but in that case the weapon doesn't really matter, or if the game rules gives way too much advantage for the shield user.

>-Would a Landsknecht work with a weapon like a rapier as well? What do they use in off-battlefield time? I don't suppose they carry the Halberd everywhere.
Rapiers weren't really a thing for them as it's a civilian weapon and they were mercenaries. Proto-rapiers, cut and thrust swords and such are possible though. And the non-battlefield carries or sidearms were mostly katzbalgers and messers and falchions or other similar one handed blades more often than not the single edged stuff. Or firearms.
But there are paintings and even a few written sources where during the tavern brawl people started to beat each other with halberds and polearms. (also their main weapons were the pike and firearms, but you can't safely represent 4-5 meter long pikes in a larp)

>>9296668
Muh two-handed sword or a 1-'n-a-half handers.

Or simple shields and picks, etc.
It's not like they had a rulebook telling them not to use any weapons. (I think? And fuck, it's larp, you can do it anyway.) Just for big battles pikes are better.

Also reeeeeee on saying they get fucked by shields, you just suck.

>>9296686
>-What would a flashy Landsknecht fight like in a duel? Did they have champions or anything?
If you ask what would they bring to a duel then the answer is their friends. I mean the only unfair fight is the one you lost.
Champions they didn't had per see although there were hierarchy as they are basically a military organization (and I use the term very loosely here) and there were obviously veterans as in every such cases.
There were the döpplesoldners, every fanwankers favorite but contrary to popular belief there weren't the most badass ones. They got douple pay for the douple work. Usually they used two handed swords or halberds and their job was to do the crowd control and guarding the flanks and such stuff. Usually they had more armor than the rest because they had more money, and they really needed it because their job was more dangerous (and no, they weren't used to open up enemy pike formations)

Then there were the bodyguards of officers and stuff, they got even more money than the döpplesoldners, but they had to stick with the guarded persons. Can't remember right know their paygrade but I think it was somewhere around x5 than your average knecht, will look it up if it's important.

But if you want a real badass who is kind of a champion then there is the flag/standard bearer. Now THAT guy was choosen because he is a badass and can protect himself while holding the flag (plus he got a fuckton of bodyguard too) it was a job where you could easily die because the enemy liked to go after the flags. But if you were a veteran in that position that meant you are some ultra badass... or that your pals are really good at protecting you.

>>9296693
>-Would they fit in a group of non-Landsknechte? Like as one of the classic high fantasy trope characters
Why wouldn't they? Who gonna tel them they won't fit?

>-Supposing you got good enough answers to all of the above, how do I into Landsknecht?
flamboyantly, and with a big codpiece

>>9296074
Ah, I see. My apologies. I'm unaware of this /tg/ thread, haven't used that board in a while.

>>9294965
Has anyone entered this?
Thinking about trying but my kitchen selection is pretty limited

>>9296693
>If you ask what would they bring to a duel

Not nessecarily. I'll try explaining it better:
The fights here are mostly based on looking good while fighting and 'fighting like your character', so if you play an axe-wielding barbarian you'll have like wide swings and "RAWRGH"s. If you're some Swashbuckler you'll fight in a fencing stance, maybe hand in the air, on the hip or behind your back. What would a Landsknecht fight like? Did they have a specific HEMA manual style or something? Would they use their polearms to stab mostly or like a Kung Fu spear and such, like using it as a staff with a lethal end?

>>9296897
Excuse my french but that sounds totally gay. But sadly I know which school of thought that comes from...

Anyway german "fencing styles" as they were german. Like Talhoffer, Mair, Lecküchner, Lichtenauner, Meyer, etc.
I could get into details but for a larp probably that's more then enough.

>>9296908
You an an issue with people fighting as their character?
Why? Don't like people properly acting in character?
It promotes people really taking the role of the person they are pretending to be, in all aspects.
Seeing a savage orc all of a sudden start fencing as combat starts will look stupid as fuck (unless its part of the character)

>>9296917
my problem is what it usually means.
the axe wielding barbarian will grunt and telegraphs their movements from miles away and act like they are holding something that is at least 20 kg heavy instead of just a fucking axe.
The Swashbuckler will try to incorporate every move he seen on television, and probably from the bad ones.
I mean, fighting is fighting, if you fight like a retard you will die like a retard (with the exception if the rules promote fighting like a retard) On that note I totally hate the kind of fighting which goes on in the Drachenfest champion fights and arena fights in general. There are only a few people who can do it good but the majority doesn't

Also fencing does not mean exclusively the rapier gayness so a savage orc can totally do fencing.

>>9296924
Personally I think it's cool, but I can see why people dislike it. Assuming the LARP fighting you enjoy isn't tappy boffer Amtgard stuff, what is fighting like in the systems you like?

>>9296924
Telegraphing barbarian isnt quite what Im talking about
More like, if you're a strong character, attack like your strong. Don't wind up 40 meters back, but use your strength in attacks. Attack in succession with little concern for defense.

I don't think savage orc should be fencing. I realize its not just the rapier but its more forms, waiting for an opening, proper combat as opposed to brutal fury
Little switches in style, while still fighting well, is important to representing your character

>>9296917

The thing is that there is few way to swing a sword effectively. It is true that different weapon are wielded differently by different culture, but when you take the same weapon with same property , let say a one handed saber, it's mostly the same shit everywhere.
And larp foam shit are quite limited in this regard.

A savage orc who has hema training and read "le jeu de la hache" could do cool and effective stuff, if his polearm was heavy and balanced, that he had the right to strike with the wood part, and to stab. If not, he is gimping himself for show. which is cool, we aren't here to winwinwin.

But most people will gimp themselves to make holywood tier retarded shit because they just don't know better.

If you outclass totaly your oponent, you may add fancy shit, but in this case you are just humiliating your opponent by gimping yourself.

Which is totaly cool in my book, but not something to do everytime.

Something that you can do, that cost nothing and is hard to fail would be your stance.

If you play a noble, or smug bastard, keep your posture high and upright, and favor some stance that look defensive or careless, as if your enemy is barely worthy of your attention.

>>9296953
>I don't think savage orc should be fencing. I realize its not just the rapier but its more forms, waiting for an opening, proper combat as opposed to brutal fury
Orcs can but brutally cunning not just cunningly brutal.
But it's part of the problem, people will quickly start to put others into stereotypes and then they "should" fight according to that.

And I say fuck that. You should fight what works with your chosen weapon. Obviously you have to consider how trained your character is with it but choosing a fighting style depends more on the weapon than on the lifestyle of the character.
BUT if you are a savage orc that doesn't know how to fight in any other way than from strength then obviously you will choose a weapon that is good for that. And hopefully you will do it right.

>>9296939
usually short as the system is trust based and it's easy to get incapacitated. While I wouldn't say there are much style in the fightings as most people did not learned how to fight but everyone tries to fight according to their weapons strong points. Which not always successful, because as I mentioned they just doing it by the ear, but at least it's not a tap dance and try to act like they are real weapons.

>>9296956
This is more what i'm saying. Subtle shifts to your style it more fit the character
>>9296956
>BUT if you are a savage orc that doesn't know how to fight in any other way than from strength then obviously you will choose a weapon that is good for that
and this is the key

>>9296972
Got any vids of your fights? Sounds interesting and if it's good I'll offer it to locals here

>>9296819
S'all cool, muh'gyppo.

>>9296889
No one yet, which is surprising with how well the old contests went.

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>>9296997
I am going to stop you for a minute:

Firstly, "fencing" should not be synonymous with rapier, small sword etc. Its simply refers to a standardized martial art system.

Secondly, "barbarians", like say, the Nordic peoples, undoubtedly had systems of combat for great axe, as we know that they have fencing systems for sword/shield, and spear, as well as standardized images of stances with axes. I would assume that a warrior-culture of orcs would pass on combat training long enough to build a cultured system of sorts.

Thirdly, all this landsknecht wank is laughable. Its more of a fashion culture of Germanic mercs, rather than a specific people. They would use whatever fencing systems they had access to.

>>9296956
Frenadian? Or are you a new frog?

>>9297009
>They would use whatever fencing systems they had access to.
funnily, most people didn't had access to fencing systems. I mean most of the hema fanwanking on how to do properly X or Y stuff was so far beyond the simple soldier that it's laughable

>>9297008
sadly, or luckily I don't think so. I still think that larp fights look terrible on video

>>9297013
>funnily, most people didn't had access to fencing systems
Not first hand, but the concept of professional soldiers drilling and disseminating basic techniques is something that is regularly mentioned. Its like the military having someone who studied first hand, teach a unit second hand.

>>9297017
yeah, I meant the fencing masters stuff. the various master strokes and whatevers.
Probably they doesn't even used most of the guards consciously, although that sometimes even the masters couldn't agree on those so there is that.

>>9297029
Thats because the masters tended to have egos big enough to build a house on.

Have you read George Silvers letters? Its basically him calling anyone who uses a rapier a faggot for three pages.

>>9297009
I don't understand this fencing has nothing to do with rapier point. I get it.
I'm just saying that an unorganized group of savages while probably teaching fighting skills, probably didn't have organized martial art systems.
When I talked about orcs not fencing, I was trying to say that drilled combat techniques probably wouldn't be common in an orc's arsenal, because they are so physical strong, they would rely more on that then skill

And I did not know about the Nords have actual fencing systems. Do you have good place to read about them?

>>9297034
not true. He calls every italian a faggot. And rapier users too.

>>9297042
>When I talked about orcs not fencing, I was trying to say that drilled combat techniques probably wouldn't be common in an orc's arsenal, because they are so physical strong, they would rely more on that then skill
The problem is, if you rely solely on strength and nothing else you won't be effective. And if you are a warrior culture you can only be not effective if you won't be long lived either.
No matter what popular culture tells you using weapons solely by strength is not an effective way, and nobody who goes to kill other dudes want to be at a disadvantage

>>9297042
>probably didn't have organized martial art systems.

Ok, time for me to blow your mind.

The Maori have centuries old codified martial arts.

The Hawaiians have centuries old codified martial arts.

Most native American tribes have centuries old codified martial arts.

The African tribes still living in dung-hut on the Savannah? They have centuries old codified martial arts.

Most of these peoples lack a native written language, and yet they have organized, well documented combat skills and traditions that have survived and are systematically recognizable.

Why? Because as warrior cultures, that is possibly the single most important thing to their people.

Anyone have any pictures of themselves incorporating eva foam armor with their kit; or possibly just pieces they've made for their fantasy/medieval larp?

>>9297009
Nope, not frenadian. and not a new frog either. Mostly more into hema than larping now, but the reaction of /neotg/ sent me back here. Seriously, what a shame.

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>>9297017
One good thing to look for that is the bayonet drills.
Well documented in various nations, and only teach the most basic stuff, if you compare it to earlier writing on spear and polearm.

But seeing how in longsword , of all the techniques we learn, in sparring you mostly use the basics...

I guess that's enough.

>>9297321
>But seeing how in longsword , of all the techniques we learn, in sparring you mostly use the basics...
>I guess that's enough.
well, the best technique in a battle is to gang bang on your enemy and have more armour than him. Also artillery and firearms.

>>9297349
And longER pointy sticks than them, allows you to hurt without getting hurt.
Now with no reload time.

Also how is there so much love for the Landsknechte en not as much for 16/17th century Spanish or Dutch armour?
Those sherps, black armour and collars give me a mighty need.

>>9297368
Spaniards are gay, and dutch are just germans who got REALLY drunk

>>9297374
>Germans who got really drunk

.... You mean Landsknechten? I think we've gone full circle.

>>9297381
alright alright.
Dutch are germans who got REALLY drunk AND then tried to act like englishman

>>9297384
Eh, I guess. More scummy though, and you can say what you want. But black armour is so NNNNNNGH.

And not in the edgelord way, they made their plate armour look like a fashionable suit whilst maintaining protection. Also "muh culutural heritage".

>>9297368
I was thinking of getting a morion, for the instant +5 in relationship with woods elves and religious tolerance, but then I got some sweet seals that are more witch hunter/reikguard related. And a flamberge.

Would gladly do if I find a sidesword, thought.

Has anybody tried a buckler in larp ? maybe with the oriental knife bit on the end, as you can't shield bash in larp ?

>>9297387
GERMAN black armour awesome.

>>9297388
I use a buckler in LARP fervently, and in short it boils down to getting fucked in most linefights.

But me being part of the town guard just made sure I could rek most lads in a 1-on-1 by getting in close and beating them into submission with my little club.

All in all it works great, and if you fight nicely, and don't run into too many spergs you can shieldbash with your buckler.
A tip I'd give you is to make it with that large extruding round part with a very thick foam layer. Don't make the shield wooden beside that, but make it more like a weapon.
I've slammed more people on their wrists or pushed away weapons aggressively and never got a complaint.

>>9297391
Aw man, is all that cool shit originally German?
Thought we had atleast that going for us.

it may be time for a new thread ?

also, italian armor are cooler, and more in line with the "knight" thing.
I dunno, but when I see sallet I get more a professionnal soldier vibe, rather than knight.

http://i70.servimg.com/u/f70/15/70/73/11/englys10.jpg

>>9297399
I prefer my knightly knights Roland/Arthurian style with naught but chain and some bits of plate because it's fantasy.

If I go later medieval times I just need a new pair of big girl panties when looking at the pikemen or reiter armours. And yeah, it might technically be knights that own some of the armours, but they don't have the 'knight' vibe if you get me.

So Spanish, German, etc. it is for me.

>>9297396
I will quickly start up a new thread and I can post the pictures of the cool balck german armours. There are spanish balck armours too but they aren't as cool

>>9297399
Italian armour is semi-gay.
The armour you posted is an english one though.

new thread

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Yeah but a lot of those arts were, I don't want to say lost, but definitely misplaced with the introduction of firearms. For instance Samoa has always had a warrior culture and even originated the siva afi but I can't find many references to how they trained to fight or what techniques they used to fight and I've been looking hard so I can learn them to pass them onto my sons. It's actually quite frustrating.

>>9297426
If that makes you feel any better the majority of european martial arts pre-industrial era were also lost. HEMA tries to ressurect it with just a "few" broken fragments that were found. Most of the things that are going in HEMA are mostly educated guesses and experimental archeology

So, apparently stateside there is a some kind of roadtrip Larp coming up. Six day roadtrip Larp of players playing band members, roadies, groupies, and fans following a fake band's booking actual gigs along rt 66 from Chicago to Santa Monica.

No word yet on assumed time period, but what kind of costumes would you guys out together for such a LARP.

Bampu

>>9295910
Please tell me where. I would LOVE to attend a LARP around Georgia

>>9306668
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