/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9466571
I'm particularly salty about how rude some of the girls are about lolita, as if they have any style themselves

>>9466572
P.s. my commentary isn't linked to the specific images I'm posting, just the episode in general

>>9466573
This cycle I think is from 2004 and I haven't seen anyone post these before so I thought it might be appreciated even if these screencaps are potato quality

>>9466574
Eva and Ann are running through the street screeching and acting obnoxious, which would be embarrassing anywhere but particularly in Tokyo. They need some class

>>9466576

>>9466579
actually this might be a better shot of this shop girl's coord

>>9466581

>>9466582
I'm going to continue watching and post any worthwhile screencaps

>>9466583

>>9466587

What kind of blouses are suitable for old school lo? Can I wear just vintage one?

>>9466851
Depends on what it looks like but if you have to ask, it's better to just go for brand until you know what you're doing. Baby's "classic" designs work really well and are super easy to find secondhand: Look for big peter pan collars/square necklines with neck ties, detachable sleeves, cotton and torchon lace...
Honestly just look at old brand ads, you'll figure out what to look for soon enough.

>>9466571
Can you share the link to this, please?

>>9466851
A lot of vintage blouses in my area are chiffon, which is definitely not suitable. Oldschool didn't usually use vintage pieces.

>>9466870
http://www.mywatchseries.ac/link/thevideo.me/11278891

>>9466851
You want cotton blouses, anon, with miminal lace (no raschel, try to stick to cotton) but ribbons are okay. Shirring is okay. Long sleeves or puffed short sleeves. No chiffon, bleh. Peter pan collars that tend to be wider. And minimal "frou frou", minimal ruffles. I can try to find examples if anyone wants.

>>9467258
There's a lot of nicer cotton raschel in oldschool (and some horrible cotton raschel, looking at you Meta). Pic related is similar to one I own. But yeah, if you're looking for vintage blouses anything with raschel will probably not look right.

>>9467258
yes please, I'd appreciate examples if you have the time to spare for a dump

>>9471799
Search for old school threads. Iirc I did a blouse dump once. And the blouses definitely have lots of lace. Vintage blouses do not really suit the old school style. It also depends a lot which style you are looking for, I try to find example for each style.

>>9471823
Sorry I tought I was in help thread lol.

>>9471830

Can we share our recent purchases? Just snagged this Cornet OP for about $50 and I'm so excited I could cry!

>>9471831

>>9471839
I don't have anything else really, I wonder where all my pics went and why 4chan thinks everything remaining is corrupted.

>>9471838
That's so freaking pretty anon, gongrats!

>>9466572
I think a lot of times they do it on purpose for reality tv

>>9471838
What an amazing find, anon! It's beautiful!

>>9471838
Nice job!

>>9471844
Anon can always look through lolibrary, the search by year function doesn't work but items with the year in the name still show up, so you can still search things like "blouse 2002", "blouse 2003" to get some relevant results".

Can someone dump some good examples of "good" raschel lace? I hear that it does exist in non-shitty polyester versions, but I've never seen it!

>>9472134
I think that the overlay lace that VM often uses counts as raschel? Otherwise Meta has a lot of raschel pieces you can look up in lolibrary. Some of them are nice.

>>9472134
Maybe this?

>>9453716 Anon that I overbid on the 1999 green Meta set I found the OP version if you'd like! Send me a Email and I'll send you the link
gullduck@gmail.com

>>9472134
Sorry about the quality, I'll try taking a better pic later if you want but pic related is a good example of quality raschel lace. This is a wrist cuff that I bought from Taobao.

>>9472134
Sorry about the weird blown out color, but this is cotton raschel on a 2003 Meta skirt

>>9473152
That looks pretty nasty to me.

>>9473328
This looks nicer, I have a Meta blouse with the same lace and you can really tell the difference in person, it's nice soft cotton and quite thick.

>>9473350
I'm the anon that posted this >>9473152, maybe it's the bad pic, it's very soft and thick in person.

Is rachel lace really ever good? I avoid it because it's cratchy and I hate the look though I have a Moitie overlay op from 2004 where it actually works because it's an overlay. It's part of the old school but man I still find it ugly and sloppy looking. I have actually passed on few pieces on auctions because they had rachel. I just can't stand it at all.

>>9474497
I initially hated it myself but after getting several meta pieces with raschel lace, I've grown to hate it less. I still don't love it but I definitely don't hate it as much as before.

Could someone please post a link to that one massive oldschool photo archive? (I think it was on Flickr?)

I just bought a very old Meta OP and remembered there's a photo of someone wearing it in there. I'd like to see it again but I haven't been able to find it.

>>9476491
I have a link to this one on imgur: http://imgur.com/a/YzGcg Not sure if that's the one you're looking for though.

>>9476500
Thank you, anon! Unfortunately I don't think that's the one I was looking for since it didn't have the photo.

I'm looking for that one Japanese blogger who used to wear a lot of Meta; she always had a long blonde wig and blue contacts in and generally wore white/ivory. I don't know if that really explains it too well, but I'm looking for the photo of her wearing the ivory velveteen OP with the cross lace.

>>9467483
Oh lord, I just thought about that blouse H&M was selling

Pic unrelated

>>9476491
Search the archives, someone asked this a few threads ago and got 2-3 albums in response.

>>9476491
Here you go anon, I hope you find the picture you're looking for http://imgur.com/a/ij8db

I'm currently moving everything to flickr because I hate imgur's new layout, I prefer the images to be tiled rather than in a list format. Once everything's over there I'll post the new link here

Do you think this blouse could work for oldschool? I bought it because I love how versatile it can be, but it'd be great if it could be used for oldschool as well. All I know is that it's from MAXICIMAM and isn't on lolibrary.

If anyone could dump some magazine scans showing brand releases I'd really appreciate it

>>9476578
Absolutely! I love the lace on it.

>>9476578
Definitely! I've had good luck using the wayback machine to look through Maxicimam's blouses on their website before - I found a 2-way blouse that can have a standing collar or peter pan collar that way. Yours looks really cute!

>>9476586
Any brand or just this brand?

>>9476528
Are you the one who won the black OP on mercari? If yes, congrats! (We both used Japonica, but you were quicker kek)

>>9476763

>>9476756
Any brand please

>>9476781
Can't you find them yourself through the lolita history gallery? Or do you want higher-res scans?

>>9476787
If you mean the imgur, that's actually mine, but It doesn't include pages with unworn items. I was requesting so I could maybe make an album for them as well, I like the idea of all old school stuff being in one place rather than just the coords

>>9476800
No, I mean this archive of most of the magazine scans! They're watermarked and slightly lower-res than the originals though so I'll dig out my G&LB scans. There was also Avant Gauche that did this before you, taking all the scans of each brand and putting but sadly they've taken large chunks of their site navigation down, although some of the actual galleries are still up if you know the URLs (bar a few deadlinked images).

http://www.lolitahistory.com/gallery/

Some avant gauche pages I found by guessing at URLs after seeing the format of the beauty one linked in the last thread:
http://www.avantgauche.co.uk/gallery/baby.html
http://www.avantgauche.co.uk/gallery/angelic.html
http://www.avantgauche.co.uk/gallery/metamorphose.html
http://www.avantgauche.co.uk/gallery/mmm.html
http://www.avantgauche.co.uk/gallery/victorian.html
http://www.avantgauche.co.uk/gallery/innocent.html
http://www.avantgauche.co.uk/gallery/mary.html
http://www.avantgauche.co.uk/gallery/pierrot.html
http://www.avantgauche.co.uk/gallery/other.html

http://www.avantgauche.co.uk/gallery/beauty.html

>>9476812
Actually just realised that the index page was on the Wayback Machine, you can copy URLs from there and put them into the address bar to get large copies of most images that weren't archived:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090227162158/http://www.avantgauche.co.uk:80/Gallery/index.html

>>9476578
Beautiful choice. Definitely old-school compatible.

>>9476578
I love how many changeable pieces old MAXICIMAM blouses have, it makes them really versatile.

>>9476557
>>9476575
Thanks, anons! I was having trouble finding the links in the archives, so I definitely appreciate the help (and will re-bookmark all of these since my HD had crashed and lost them)

>>9476763
>>9476764
Yes!! Thank you so much! These were exactly what I was looking for and yeah, I'm sorry but that was me who grabbed it. I wanted to see the images so I can try and make a similar collar since the collar is missing, but I may just go a different direction with it all together.

>>9476764

Any idea on where to get light blonde wigs that would look natural enough to work for old school?

>>9476973
Oldschool wigs tended to not look natural, if you mean that you want it to literally look like real hair and not be super full I'm stumped too.

>>9476973
You could just use a blonde hime cut wig or similar, they were popular in oldschool and they're easier to maintain than a ringlet wig. I'm not sure where sells them nowadays though, although I know Bodyline used to.

>>9476589
>>9476756
>>9476816
>>9476820
Thanks Anons! That's great to hear because I was a bit worried about the lace on the bodice being too modern.

>>9476812
Oh okay, thank you anon

Can anyone give me photos of Vivienne Westwood items used in oldschool lolita, particularly necklaces? I know they were used a lot but I can't find any in my folder, and nowhere online has tagged which photos have VW, so Google is only bringing up modern coords with VW bags. Pic related is Laur_an in 2006, but I know I've seen them in G&LB/Kera street snaps before if I could only find the scans.

A relative has offered to buy me jewellery for my 21st and Vivienne Westwood is the only Western store I can think of that has stuff I might actually use, but I wanted to have a look at which styles of orb necklaces were used back then so I could compare to which of the current stock is most similar. My memory of seeing them in scans is that they mostly seemed to be flat/solid orbs rather than ones with rhinestones, but I'm not sure if it's a false memory or an illusion caused by the low-res photos, because it seems like nearly all the jewellery VW releases is 3D and has gems.

>>9477714
Pic related is stuff I found searching the necklace tag of the oldschoollolita blog on tumblr, but I dislike the format because she posts a lot of pics/scans without saying where they're from so unless you recognise the pic you have no idea if you're looking at a 1998 scan or a 2006 one.

>>9477720
A lot of the pics are too low-res to make out details, and since I have some G&LBs and G&LB scans I could look them up myself in a higher res if I knew which they were from, but I don't so I can't.

>>9477724
I think this might be VW but I can't tell.

>>9477714
The orb design really hasn't changed. Most wearing the small orb

>>9478167
I was thinking of getting a simpler one like this, which I think actually has a flat back. I'd rather have a gold one though and there's only rhodium on the webshop right now, and I'm not sure if they'll be willing to pay for something that isn't real silver as they won't see it as an investment.

>>9476834
I recently purchased this same op in red - collar in tact. I can take some close up pictures of it and trace a pattern of it if you are still interested in recreating the collar.

>>9477714
You could try reaching out to Lauran herself. She's still very passionate about VW and could give you some advice about making a purchase from them.

>>9477730
Yep, it says so in the corner.

>>9478730
That's an interesting suggestion - I might try if I don't come across any more pics.

>>9478748
Thanks.

>>9474497
I've ended up with a couple of pieces with "good" raschel through buying sets from Japanese sellers. Good cotton raschel is soft and definitely not scratchy but I personally still prefer lace like torchon as I think even higher-end raschel lace nearly always looks cheap and kind of pixelated.

Meta has done some really nice solids were ruined for me by their use of raschel lace (pic related). It's definitely more bearable in black-on-black.

>>9485082
The lace on the bodice and hem of this is relatively inoffensive cotton lace, which almost makes the fact they used a different shitty raschel lace only on the skirt seem worse than if they'd just used it everywhere.

I just bought this and I'm really excited about it, for a nice easy to coord piece in my starter classic wardrobe. I looked it up on Lolibrary afterwards and it's from 2005! Would love inspo on coording something like this.

>>9486206
Should be simple enough. It'd look great with a beige blouse and socks, black or dark brown shoes, you can add accessories in beige or black or a matching shade of bordeax, or mix in another muted color like dusty pink to make things a little more interesting.
There's a stunning blouse on Tokyo Alice that you might like: http://item.rakuten.co.jp/tokyoalice/a99847/

Anons, I am so excited. I just won the JSK on the right and it's been a dream dress of mine for years. A few months back (might have been last year) one in red come up and I got my ass stomped in the auction, but another came up this week (in a dark plum colorway) and I was able to get it. I'm so excited, I never thought I'd see it again!

>>9487096
Congrats anon! It's beautiful and sorry for last-minute-bidding so much. (I also tried to go for the red one, but you're right, that auction was damn brutal.)

>>9487136
I thought I was bidding against someone in Japan because of your bidding style! Thank you, though, I appreciate the congratulations!

The red one still does have my heart; it was such a bright and bold color that it could make such an amazing high-contrast coord. I wish I could have gone higher on that one, but I had bought a few things from that seller (who is selling off the most amazing wardrobe I've ever seen) and couldn't justify going to almost $300 on it.

>>9487096
Oh man, that's super exciting! I hope you post pics and/or add it to lolibrary when you get it.

>>9487172
Thank you! I will certainly post photos here and whenever lolibrary comes up I will add it. I have a few things that need entries there, so I hope they are able to get that function running again soon.

>>9471838
Just got this jsk from jsk the CC 70% off instore sale.

It was ¥1,000...(~10usd). Lmao

>>9488113
lucky! I love that design

>>9488113
great find! so jealous!

>>9488115
>>9488419
Now I've got to find some a maxipad to go with it.
I caved in and got a btssb head eating bow for ¥500 at the same sale but the lace doesn't match and that slightly irks me.

I've been slowly collecting some older pieces, these are the prides of my closet atm. WW pretty much gets all my money at this point.

>>9488914
I know the far-left a couple other anons are looking for as well.

>>9488916

>>9488916
I love the greens! Also cute cat is that a raggie?

>>9488977
he is a longhair tonkinese and also a stinker that likes to nap in petticoats and brand.

>>9488916
ah, I've been looking for rightmost green or a while, I even got the matching headpiece with nothing to match it with.

>>9489031
What does the hairpiece for this set look like? I have been wondering and not being able to search by year on lolibrary I wasn't sure. I need an olive hairpiece to match that JSK and OP.

Antique Bouquet for 6,800 yen:
https://item.fril.jp/2214813ba3fd5d53d586cdce7f160ee5

>>9489297
It's not for that set specifically but it came out the same year.

https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-cross-ribbon-headdress

>>9489718
This is so fucking gorgeous

>>9489718
Actually, my mistake, thought right one came out 2006 and it actually came out 2008:
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-flower-garden-jsk

Believe it was supposed to match this, there's a skirt version as well AFAIK .
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-cross-grosgrain-jsk
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-cross-satin-ribbon-jsk

>>9489731
I really love the way they've laced the ribbon differently for each colourway. It's so inspiring, I really want that blackxwhite one which ends up looking like a cross pattern.

>>9489737

>>9489718
desu I'll totally buy it off of you if you're not dead-set on holding on to it for an olive piece to match.

If not I've been eyeing this piece on WW that would go perfectly with it (you should get it, Anon):
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/products/%EF%BD%97-15454

I hope somebody will help me. I bought this skirt for like 10€. The buyer told me it was from Btssb, but it's actually an IW piece. I'm not able to find infos anywhere and I'm not sure if it's an authentic old school skirt...

>>9490108
*seller

>>9490053
Unfortunately that bodice is really not to my tastes, so I'll pass. And sorry, I'm holding on the headdress in hope of an olive dress coming into my life soon! I have a lot of green already so it almost works - I bought that headpiece on Fril and the listing was up for nearly two weeks without any comments before I bought it, so it seems like colours like that aren't popular and if you keep looking on sites like that you might be able to find something similar.

I've also seen the olive green IW bonnets go on auctions before, but it was a couple of years ago (might have come up since, I don't check that often).

>>9490108
Not being able to find info is very common for old pieces, especially with lolibrary having no advanced search right now. If it's got an IW label in it, it's IW.

>>9490121
If you spot any, mind posting them in the threads? I'm always lurking, I'll keep an eye out for any other olive main pieces as well!

>>9490130
Sure! I'm taking a break from my usual religious browsing of Japanese second-hand right now though, since I'm moving house and money is tight, but I'll like any olive here.

>>9489738
Gorgeous! I'm really jealous of that.

Does anyone know the name of the solid version of this jsk? I almost bought utt several times ages ago, I'm kicking myself now. Do you see it come up often secondhand?

>>9490568
Dropped my pic

>>9490568
>>9490569
I've seen it fairly often, usually in the brown/beige colorway, sometimes in pink/beige. You might have to look for it but I don't think it's very rare.

>>9490568
There've been a few releases:
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-fontaine-jsk

That's not identical (lacks the pintucks on the front) but similar, there are a bunch on lolibrary but it's hit-and-miss finding them if you don't know the name.

There are some similar pieces on auctions right now, but not the exact piece you're looking for, you might find the exact one if you search (I checked all of y!ja but didn't have a proper look on other sites):
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x486233052
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n145634695
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/s530090746
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w177046754
https://item.fril.jp/6093777258af79bfbd529c902acfa933

>>9488916
Far right is up on auctions right now in pink:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u132726658

>>9490602
I am really digging that first pink jumperskirts. I never really liked pink before, but I love the dusty rose color that was popular with older pieces before pastels became popular.

>>9488916
>>9489031
What is the right jsk even called? It's really cute

>>9490822
See

>>9489732
>my mistake, thought right one came out 2006 and it actually came out 2008:
>https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-flower-garden-jsk

Also for sale if you somehow didn't see >>9490617.

>>9490602
Thank you! I'm specifically looking for ones like the first and last with the cream in the front. Yahoo doesn't work well with my phone so I hadn't checked there yet.

>>9490953
This is one of them on lolibrary, couldn't find the other.
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-classical-bustle-jsk

>>9490974
Thank you! I figured it had a really generic name like that.

>>9490981
Searching by colour seems to work even though colour isn't in the name field (pity you can't do the same for year) - I've just been searching stuff like "innocent world jsk green" and going through all results.

>>9490126
I know... I was hoping to track down at least a year of production. Thank you anyway!

>>9491009
The fabric's different but the cut/design is identical to this one from 2002:
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-miniature-rose-pattern-scallop-skirt

>>9490126
You can type the old tags and categories on the searchbar. Like "angelic pretty jsk 2005 zipper shirring pink floral" and atleast for me it works, it could be a bit inaccurate but it's way more quicker than the old search. They seem to be missing older items too.

>>9491022
don't know if they've changed it but I found that putting years in only came up with results where the year was in the name field, omitting most of the results

>>9476546
Which blouse?

>>9491019
Thank you, anon! I've noticed that it's a model IW has made since 2000. The elastic waist is present also in a 2001 version so I'm almost sure it's from those years. A lucky purchase for what I have paid!

>>9490974
Fyi, those measurements are really off. The shirring isn't really functional, it was small on me with about an 84cm bust and 68cm waist. There's no way it could go much bigger than that, let alone up to 104/78cm.

>>9490130
Not Anon you were talking to but I think this is a great find, I was considering getting it just for the head piece because I really need an olive one but it can wait and I'd rather some other anon here enjoy it
http://www.maidenclothing.net/script/detail.php?id=154070596001

>>9491229
>http://www.maidenclothing.net/script/detail.php?id=154070596001
Oh man, now I feel indecisive. I was just looking at the same OP on auctions without the headpiece and it's way cheaper on Maidenclothing, but I'm the anon who already owns that headdress so it's a bit of a waste. Guess I could sell it.

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w175405970

>>9491559
There's also a non-oldschool olive MM OP up:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b256934898

>>9491131
Might be a different one that looks similar, I have an IW dress that looks just like it but with very stretchy shirring that would easily go to 104

>>9491877
I have kind of a bigger bust, I should probably just custom make myself one that actually fits instead of getting boob loaf.

>>9491877
No, I own the exact dress.

>>9487096
congrats! it's gonna look gorgeous

>>9488113
You lucky bastard. Was it in good condition?

>>9491559
Original olive anon, if you get it I'll gladly take the hair piece. Yes, I'm thirsty.

>>9492651
The shirring in the straps are a bit too loose, and when compared to other blacks side by side it's a bit faded. But other than that, it really held up well considering the age!
Second hand japan stuff continues to amaze me.

>>9492744
Very tempted, how much for?

>>9493095
Shoot me an email

>>9493672
>The_attempted@hotmail.com
done!

Have any of you gulls handmade your own old-school inspired things, like accessories or main pieces?

>>9495490
I've always wanted to make a rectangle headdress, since they're easy as fuck to make, but it's too difficult to get enough types of lace of good enough quality in my country.

Reading more oldschool Japanese blogs, makes me feel nostalgic and reminds me of my own entry into the fashion.

>I love lolita fashion.
>Because the bite was eleven consecutive until yesterday, during that time almost a daily pants style.
>Lolita I wanted to wear clothes, but I could not wear it !! It was quite frustrating.
>But today I went to Emily Temple cute Alice pt skirt after a long absence Lolita fully opened Oh happy. Why can you be so happy solely with clothes? Puffed sleeve into this delicate lace and fine pin tuck. Just watching it already makes me excited.
>I'm glad I was really a girl ~
http://blog.livedoor.jp/littl_crown_4u/archives/50015020.html

>Even when school started, my part time job is as long as 6 weeks. Ha. . . Because I cannot make it in time without going home ahead of the way home from school, I also have pants style days. . .
>I dislike pants style. I am not good at coordinating. It's getting dirty and it's going to be damned. I am getting tired of pants recently. I'd like to wear a skirt.
>I want to fashionable
>I want to fashionable I want to fashionable I want to make fashionable Fashionable. . . fashionable. . . ∞ Please come tomorrow as well
>I told you I can not go. I decided to fashion up tomorrow, I decided to go back to school and hang around the city. That is my only enjoyment now. Stress that can not be felt MAX what a stink.
Hey, if I do not wear a skirt for a long time, I feel that a woman duty goes down (originally low). I am now Hidoimon. I am too tired to write such unsightly sentences. . .
>I will work a full day on Saturdays, Sundays, holidays and go to school on weekly 6 Please give me a better rest. I am conscious of being sweet.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/littl_crown_4u/archives/50160096.html

Reading more oldschool Japanese blogs, makes me feel nostalgic and reminds me of my own entry into the fashion.

>I love lolita fashion.
>Because the bite was eleven consecutive until yesterday, during that time almost a daily pants style.
>Lolita I wanted to wear clothes, but I could not wear it !! It was quite frustrating.
>But today I went to Emily Temple cute Alice pt skirt after a long absence Lolita fully opened Oh happy. Why can you be so happy solely with clothes? Puffed sleeve into this delicate lace and fine pin tuck. Just watching it already makes me excited.
>I'm glad I was really a girl ~
http://blog.livedoor.jp/littl_crown_4u/archives/50015020.html

>Even when school started, my part time job is as long as 6 weeks. Ha. . . Because I cannot make it in time without going home ahead of the way home from school, I also have pants style days. . .
>I dislike pants style. I am not good at coordinating. It's getting dirty and it's going to be damned. I am getting tired of pants recently. I'd like to wear a skirt.
>I want to fashionable
>I want to fashionable I want to fashionable I want to make fashionable Fashionable. . . fashionable. . . ∞ Please come tomorrow as well
>I told you I can not go. I decided to fashion up tomorrow, I decided to go back to school and hang around the city. That is my only enjoyment now. Stress that can not be felt MAX what a stink.
>Hey, if I do not wear a skirt for a long time, I feel that a woman duty goes down (originally low). I am now Hidoimon. I am too tired to write such unsightly sentences. . .
>I will work a full day on Saturdays, Sundays, holidays and go to school on weekly 6 Please give me a better rest. I am conscious of being sweet.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/littl_crown_4u/archives/50160096.html

Just snagged myself a black Karami JSK. Sadly it's the 2010 release and massive on me. Going to have to take it to a tailor though, because the construction means the eleastic sewn into the seams (I already tried to open it to just pull the shirring in) I was dying for a comfy summer/lounge dress.

>>9488113
Lucky! I'm after one of those in solid black.

For anyone that didn't know, the first batch of FRUiTS magazines have been digitized and an anon's been posting what passes for lolita here (not much):
>>9497639

I just received my package of six old school lolita dresses from WW. They are gorgeous and I never want to wear anything else again. This is BABY rose gobelin jsk from 2001.

>>9500636
that's so cute, anon! what are your other dresses?

>>9495490
yeah, I make a bunch! my biggest pride is a red JSK made of an altered A-Lidel pattern that was featured in one of the older GLB's

>>9495785
You can get decent lace off Aliexpress if you have the eye for it. I've ordered a bunch of cotton lace from there for like $2 for 10 yards, and it's all been fantastic quality. Super soft and pretty.
Just make sure you know what you want and how to differentiate between shit lace and good lace just by sight.

>>9500665
Thank you!
This is what I ordered. It was actually five plus a parasol, some blouses, and accessories.. I confused myself
Please tell me if you would like any detail shots!

>>9500683
Ah, I was eyeing up top right on Wunderwelt, I'm glad someone got it! I have top centre as well, it's a nice piece. Super long compared to most oldschool though, so hard to find a good petti for.

>>9500667
Very nice anon!

>>9500821
thank you!

>>9488914
any sewing anons that could tell me how to go about making a dress like this? is it a rectangle skirt as a base, but with a separate front piece? or is it just one piece but the lace gives the illusion of it being 2 pieces? and does any one know a tutorial/pattern for the top-part similar like that? or if any anon with a similar dress could take some close up of the top-part so i can see how its constructed i would be very thankful

>>9500967
I think the skirt part is just a rectangle, with the side bodice parts lengtened and sewn on separately at the bottom. it's a bit of a tricky design, so make a few mockups. those skirt flaps coming from the bodice probably have lining to make the separation easier.

sorry if I explained it a bit difficult, english isn't my first language

>>9487096
I got the JSK in today and am so sad; there's no way it'll ever fit me. I can get it zipped, but I'm guessing I'm well over a foot too tall for it (how tiny is this person???)

The bottom of the bodice is just shy of being empire waist on me and the bottom of the skirt is mid-thigh; it looks like a kid's dress on me, so I'm going to sell it, sadly.

>>9504671
The embroidery is to die for, though!

>>9504675
The material looks so soft.

>>9504671
I actually have the black version of this on my wishlist, but damn, the red version is prettier than I thought!
Are you going to sell it?

>>9500967
I am the OP of these dresses, the overskirt/bustle is detachable.

The main skirt is rectangular and the bustle is an oblong half-circle. I'll take photos in a minute.

>>9504671
Is it really red? On my screen it looks like a wine purple. One of my least favorite colors but that jsk makes it look amazing. On the sizing the Japanese average is about 5'3 but I'm five inches shorter and have had the really early stuff fit near perfectly length wise. So I don't know what's up there, maybe for "image" reasons? Or maybe average height shot up super fast with the current generation. I promise I'm not saying this to be condescending since tone is hard over text, but anyone not average in lolita sizing really should be asking the sellers for garment measurements. I don't use the big ss and Japanese sellers are happy to tell me when it's not on lolibrary.

>>9473328
I find a meta OP with that lace. It is means that OP also from 2003? can't find lolibrary info

>>9505318
Possibly? It could be the same year or very close to it, I wish I had a catalogue scan for that year. Either way it's definitely very early 2000s.

>>9504671
I'm sorry anon, length is usually something you don't think about when purchasing old school pieces because it's so all over the place across brands.

On the other hand, if you're going to sell it a lot of people will be interested! Good luck!

>>9489738
I would die for this item in this color way.

>>9477714
I really think the simple orb design is the way to go, I'll see if I can find some more pictures.

>>9504671
How tall are you anon so I can get a guide? Also I'm so close to getting it from LM i've just spent so much recently

>>9505307
The black was my top choice, but I'm a sucker for anything wine or purple so I was very happy to find this one (the color is really cool in person). I am selling it, though, it's on LM now:
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/us-ship-included-rare-1999-metamorphose-cross-lily-embroidery-jsk

>>9505313
It's not really red, the color tends to change with lighting and in my house it appears wine, but outdoors and in more natural light it's more of a dark royal purple. Don't worry, though; you don't sound condescending at all! I'm about 5'9 so I'm used to stuff being short and really don't care anyways, but this one is exceptionally small and unfortunately won't ever look right on me, underskirt or not (it's the bodice that's the biggest issue, not so much the skirt). I’m guessing the person in the original photo is probably 5’0 ft or below.

>>9505451
Thanks, anon! I'm not too torn up about it because it looks so bad on me that it's a "just never meant to be" feeling. Length isn't generally something I worry about, though, even with oldschool pieces as most have ended up being fine (some even quite long!)

>>9505645
I'm 5'9 !

>>9505318
They used that lace for a while though. I have a blouse from 2005ish with it.

I hope it was one of you guys that snagged the Meta op from 2001 from WW's LM and is going to give it a proper treatment because I wanted to save 5$ lol. Got white Karami jsk instead though.

Anyone else has any finds?

>>9507416
Which OP are you talking about? I haven't seen any Meta ones go up for a little while.

I recently got this tote off of Y!J and am hoping to eventually get the OP or JSK to match someday. In the meantime, it matches a ton of stuff I have so I'm happy about it.

>>9507579
>>9507579
It was a black button down with white collar labeled as "Shirt OP" but I figured out it was probably Short Sleeve OP instead. I was looking at it few weeks ago already so it had been there long. I'm a bit disappointed but my fault being cheap and I don't have Karami yet so it's fine.
>pic related

Also, that tote is cool. I hope you find the rest also!

>>9507621
Don't worry, anon, plenty more OPs just like this will come up. If you scour Y!J right now you'll probably find one (I think there's a very similar one but long sleeve right now). Karami JSKs tend to be more popular and expensive, so you got the better deal!

How do you wear your make up with old school lolita?

>>9507677
Light and basic, I use a powder for foundation and use either brown eyeshadow or pencil as eyeliner but just blended from the corners to about halfway across the eye. I like to wear mascara, but don't wear lipstick. If I want something on my lips I use a rose tinted balm. I have a couple of scans with makeup

>>9507805

>>9507621
Damn I was waiting for a price drop on this one too, I wasn't sure if I could get the stains out

>>9507579
I want to find this Moitie tote one day...I hope. I need a gothic old school bag that isn't made of pleather became it would get ruined fast.
>mfw my heart AP bag has the pleather layer detached off on the strap and I used it lightly and stored properly

>>9505309
i am still interested in pics if you have time! thank you.

>>9507416
>Anyone else has any finds?
I got this IW blouse. It reminds me of the romantic goth blouses I used to see in the 90s, but without being made out of crushed velvet and horrible lace.

I waited <one week to see if WW would put IW or blouses on sale again but couldn't bear to wait another sale cycle out of fear someone else would buy it out from under me. I've never seen this design before and I need to live out my tacky Victorian goth dreams.

>>9507632
I'm actually super happy with Karami, I love the fabric and I would imagine it's a nice summer dress. I have been also really into fully white, cream, ivory and beige pieces lately. The Meta op would have been perfect if it had the cross lace so I will keep looking for one with it.

>>9507868
Yeah it looked pretty bad but in my experience WW exaggarates the stains a bit. It's a bit tricky when the origin of the stain isn't known though.

>>9508090
That's really pretty anon!

Got a Baby blouse with gorgerous lace also. My body is ready.

>>9507621
I was watching this for a long time too, I guess I should wait a little less long. I hope whoever has it now coords it nicely.

>>9508090
If you wanted something gothic, you still don't have it

>>9508059
Hey anon! I am out of town until next week and didn't bring either of these dresses with me. I'll take some photos when I return home, be it this thread or if a new ones starts.

>>9509913
This blouse would work fine in gothic anon, why are you so salty?

>>9510217
How is it salty to point out that it's not gothic at all?

>>9510904
Nayrt but she didn't claim it to be exactly gothic though. She said it reminded her of 90's western goth blouses. In my opinion it would work fine in gothic because it's pretty neutral.

I just got my Meta skirt, cape and bonnet set from 1999! It's really amazing. It's still in great shape and the colour is a nice kind of army green that's kinda hard to capture.
Sorry for the wrinkles, only had tome for some quick pictures before leaving for work.

>>9510950

>>9510951

>>9510953
This is the closest I could get to the real colour.

>>9510957
The print is so pretty and I actually love the color too. This set reminds me of old porcelain dolls. Thank you for sharing the pics!

>>9510950
Great find anon! That print really is gorgeous. If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for it?

>>9510998
It really does! That's part of why I fell in love with it. I'm planning to coord it with a oldschool blouse and white rose RHS for a proper doll-like look.
>>9511000
Together with local shipping it ended up being about 8,000 Yen, and it even came with a small petticoat.

I've seen a different version of this colourway floating around mercari/frill but can't seem to locate it at the moment.

>>9510919
Isn't it more about how you style it anyway?

>>9507879
Stored properly? Do you just stuff it with tissue? What else

>>9511539
Don't keep it in direct sunlight in case it fades/cracks, don't keep it at the bottom of a wardrobe or wrapped in plastic in case it gets damp.

>>9511539
Yes it's stuffed with paper inside and I use a net traspirant drawstring bag to store it. I roll the straps when I store it, maybe it's this that is causing damage?I'm scared to buy again burando bags because I fear the pleather rips off with few times of use.

Does anyone have Information about Meta's Rose Print OP? Mainly looking for size numbers and maybe some worn coords with it.

>>9511638
I have this OP! It's from their 2001 summer luckypack. There is also a matching tote bag and skirt version; I have the tote in black/red as well, but as far as I know that was the only release color for the OP, though the skirt shows up in black/white occasionally. (not sure if there are any other pieces)

I have a 90cm bust and 68cm waist and it fits fine, but the waist is a little high (it sits on my ribs, not natural waist) which can look a little awkward.

>>9511638
>>9511656
If you'd need me to take any measurements or close up photos, then I'd be glad to! It's a very comfortable and easy to wear piece.

Hey gulls, spotted this earlier and thought this would be the right place for it. It's from 2005 and I thought the lace on it was lovely.
( May also have a new dress I'll never find... )

>>9511757
Now I'm confused; what IS that? Is it a replica of the Elizabeth OP? The lace looks different and waist ties look thinner than any Elizabeth I've seen.

>>9511777
Looks like it is a replica of it. I know I was flabbergasted by missing a $15 Elizabeth OP off of Fururun a couple of years ago, but it turned out it was a replica (they even stated it in the description), so those wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for Japan. The photo also kinda looks like what would have been in a Chinese seller listing on eBay back in 2007.

>>9511660
>If you'd need me to take any measurements or close up photos, then I'd be glad to!
That would be super kind anon! I have the chance to get this OP for super cheap and would appreciate any piece of Information before I buy it.
I'm interested in the sizes of shoulder width, bust, waist and total length of the dress. Also where would you estimate the max sizes?

>>9511822
Absolutely! I am in bed now so I will have to get them for you tomorrow, but I think the absolute max would be at about 90cm for the bust, maybe up to 92 and 72cm for the waist. The shoulders are pretty forgiving, especially with the sleeve style and it's nice and long. I'm 5'9 and it goes to just past my knees.

>>9511186
It's sweet as fuck, it would be distracting and jarring in a gothic coord

So many conflicting oldschool feels gulls.

>Win lot of a few pieces from ~2003
>Get them in and they kinda stink, just the smell of storage and such, nothing major
>Saddle up with some cold water and Oxyclean to see what can be done
>One piece apparently isn't colorfast

Guys, turns out even old Meta bleeds like a mofo. Thank god I was testing on a waist tie, that's fixable...right? It was one of their camo prints too...

Good feelings

>Same lot comes with a jacket, check the pockets on a whim
>Find a little bundle of papers
>Receipts from Laforet from 1/1/2004.
>And an ancient purikura of a group of friends, one of whom is wearing the jacket I'm holding

Somehow that feels so cool.

Also just got pic related in the mail. Holy fuck this thing has to be ancient, it's gotta be 6 inches above my knee and no where near full enough to fit any petti I own. It's so cool.

>>9512243
My gull, please direct me to the site you've found these treasures. I must be unlucky because I found one pre-2009 auction piece and I've been stuck searching ever since. Everything I find is either too wrecked or overpriced for the amount of damage listed.

>mfw one JSK had stains everywhere and looked like they hacked at the lace with a box cutter and still wanted 30,000Y for it

My gull, please direct me to the site you've found these treasures. I must be unlucky because I found one pre-2009 auction piece and I've been stuck searching ever since. Everything I find is either too wrecked or overpriced for the amount of damage listed.

>mfw one JSK had stains everywhere and looked like they hacked at the lace with a box cutter and still wanted 3,000Y for it

>>9512261
I'm the anon above you. The jsk in the pic came from Wunderwelt, while the lot of old stuff came off of YJP. Truthfully you have to do a lot of browsing but you sometimes get really lucky.

>>9512278
I hope I get half your luck! Please post pics of your haul for inspiration.

>>9511908
It really wouldn't. Newfags should probably just lurk and not offer up their opinions on a sub-style they have zero understanding of.

>>9512243
I was looking at that one, I'm so happy a fellow old school gull got it! Would love to see some coords with it.

>>9512287
I'm wishing you luck! Do you have a particular style/brand/era you're fond of? I could keep an eye open for you. Haul pics tonight, hopefully it doesn't disappoint.

>>9512323
If you're taller than 5'2" be glad you didn't get it! That's my height and it's closer to mid thigh length (one of the reasons I think it's from 2003 at the latest) than knee length. I'm working on a coord, although buying this reminded me I have no white old school blouses. I was searching for a couple anyway though.

Actually, speaking of release years, I've looked through the first few bibles and haven't found this dress. If anyone can help ID it, I'd be grateful.

>>9512278
Pretty much this. My attention for this comes and goes in waves too, sometimes I just can't be bothered and other times I'm super into the hunt.

>>9512693
Brand I'm not picky about but I'm heavily into the Kamikaze Girl style of oldschool. Nonprint, lace accents, etc. I'd love actual dresses from the 90s-early 2000's but I'd even go for more recent releases with the same styling if they were decently priced. Thank you so much just for offering!

>>9512698
I've been on one hell of a hunt lately trying to flesh out my wardrobe properly (blouses and leg wear especially, but also more warm weather dresses). I'm still in need of white basics, all of mine are offwhite or black x white. Then as I'm hunting I come across main pieces I want... it's a horrible cycle. I've also got a pile of mending/alterations to tackle (too many of my dresses are too big)

>>9512747
Have you tried buying new? MAM have white blouses and MAM and AP both have lace-topped socks in stock.

>>9512261
It's all about browsing, I have a bunch of pre-2005 stuff and frequently spot more, but you really have to look through EVERYTHING or you miss stuff. Like, spending 40 hours searching all brands on multiple sites everything. The only site that I check regularly so I never miss anything is Wunderwelt, because they update often and I really like their layout and how well they photograph everything. Everything else I just exhaustively search a few times a year, buy what's amazing and bookmark the rest to wait out price drops.

When I'm being lazy I check Wunderwelt, y!ja and Fril since they're easiest to order from and most stuff gets listed there first, when I'm being thorough I check mbok, mercari, maidenclothing, usagiyouhinten, violet blue, tokyo alice, alice furururun, etc, even Lacemarket, because I often find the same item in multiple places and want to make sure I get the cheapest deal. I rarely bother with Closet Child because they seem to keep cheap oldschool stuff in physical stores and not put it on the webshop.

I have a list of like...15-20 brands I'll search for and either check every listing or sort by price and look at everything up to a certain price. Most potential is Baby and Meta, since there are always a ton of active listings for them and a lot of it is oldschool. Least potential is AP because 99% of the listings are for modern stuff and it's hard as fuck to find older pieces. Medium are VM and MAM, since there's never that much listed for either but a lot of what is up is oldschool. IW, BPN, Moitie and ETC can also be fruitful.

I wouldn't normally sperg out and give away my secrets (I guess this isn't all of them), but I'm trying to stop buying right now and it seeing people claim old stuff never comes up annoys me. If you familiarise yourself with Lolibrary and the early Bibles you'll start recognising it. Pre-2002 is hard but pre-2006 is easy. Heck, old stuff gets posted to the FB group all the time.

>>9512734
So go to Fril and y!ja and look through listings for Baby? Nearly everything in Kamikaze Girls has been re-released to death, it's literally the easiest style to find. Some of it does seem to go for more on the Japanese market though, or to have gone up in value recently - I kept seeing Dessert OPs cheap a year or so ago so I bought one on mbok for 3000 JPY, but I haven't seen any under 5000 since and most all are around 6000-7000.

>>9512747
I need offwhite oldschool blouses, where did you get yours and what brands? I got a couple Bodyline blouses that are white and look good with oldschool sweet

>>9512817
Nayrt but Baby's blouses are often off white, as are IW's. Just be careful when buying so you don't end up with beige instead.

>>9512734
Awesome, any color preferences? There's always old baby in pink running around. I second the other anon though, 2005 era stuff is pretty easy to find, you just need to train your eye. And yeah, the Kamikaze Girls stuff has been rereleased a ton, you just gotta spot it. Hell my Karami is a 2010 rerelease rather than the original.

>>9512783
I sometimes do, I just prefer secondhand because I like the hunt for deals and such. Socks though I'll buy new, I was just hoping a pair of white baby socks would pop up for me (baby has some of my favorite lace), but so far no dice. I'm in no hurry though.

>>9512817
Like the other anon said, baby is great, honestly BtSSB and AatP make up a huge chunk of my wardrobe, with old Meta coming up a bit.

>>9512856
The lace on Baby's socks is pretty much identical to ones you can find on eBay, if you're that desperate. They don't use anywhere near the variety they do on their solids - I think Angelic Pretty, MAM, Innocent World and Moitie have much nicer lace.

>>9511908
I'm genuinely curious-how so? Between the bell sleeves, square neck, and front corset lacing it's a standard romantic gothic blouse. It's not a cut that's seen in sweet much at all, like Peter pan and bib collars, with back lacing

>>9512886
Oops those aren't bell sleeves, but my comment still stands

>>9512886
Anon is probably a newfag/troll that thinks everything with torchon lace is sweet and Moitie is the be-all-and-end-all of gothic. It's not the gothiest blouse in existence but it'd work for gothic or classic.

>>9512810
I'm not looking specifically for the dresses in the movie, just that style. I've got a few bookmarked on Y!JP that are up for bid and some WunderWelt damaged goods as well.

>>9512792
Thank you s much for the help! I have a lot of these bookmarked (Wunderwelt, Y!JP, Fril, MaidenClothing, Violet Blue just recently) but the others I hadn't tried yet.

I didn't consider looking for Baby though more because I noticed on Y!JP especially AP tends to be the catch all for all lolita stuff (so many Bodylines listed under it) so I'd been looking at that the most.

Seriously, thank you so much. I'm trying to buy now while I have the money and free time given that I'm on summer break. Once fall semester starts up I won't have time to dedicate to finding pieces. Mostly I'm just going to cheap used/damaged goods since I can't wear them often but I'd love to just own them before they're snatched up or too damaged to be sold anymore from passing hands too much.

>>9512949
No problem anon! Remember to filter to each brand's tag if it has one on Fril/Mercari/Mbok rather than just searching the brand name. For most brands searching their official English name is totally fine now and brings up a ton of results (or even more than searching in Japanese does), but I've noticed that for Emily Temple Cute in particular you can get more searching in Japanese, and for some very old brands or brands with a Japanese designer's name as well.

If you like Baby they're definitely the easiest to find, like 80% of my oldschool wardrobe is Baby because of sheer ease of access (plus I hate raschel so avoid a lot of Meta). It's surprising how often older Innocent World comes up as well, and I think their aesthetic can be similar.

When I'm filling out specific parts of my wardrobe I really enjoy using Fril because a lot of cheap stuff gets listed there and you can filter down really narrowly to what you want (ex. Baby the Stars Shine Bright -> Women -> Bag or Angelic Pretty -> Women -> Hair Accessory -> White). You can't do that with y!ja because most sellers put their burando listings in "Women -> By Brand" not the actual item category, so if you filter for, say, bags and purses, you'll only get a fraction of the actual bags and purses listed. yja and fril are also decent for searching by colour.

Try putting in Japanese keywords as well if you're looking for something specific, ex. "cherry" or "strawberry". Doesn't always work but can save a lot of time sifting through. Same with the names of iconic dresses like Karami or the Dessert OP - not all will be labelled with the proper name but enough will to save you 30+ hours searching.

>>9512860
I like Baby because I know they fit well and the colors are 95% likely to match. I love Moitie lace more for sure (their custom laces are to die for) but their socks don't fit my fat calves well, same for IW. I have been eying Mam more though, I recently got a blouse from them and it's lovely.

>>9512967
Oh hey, your reasons for excessive amounts of Baby are the same as mine. I've also noticed that it fits me better than a lot of brands. Meta I'll comb through pages of things looking for either the cotton raschel or other kinds of lace. I love the old school frumpy lace monsters, but the lace makes or breaks it.

What shopping service do you use to buy from mercari? Sorry for the stupid question.

>>9512986
>I love Moitie lace more for sure (their custom laces are to die for) but their socks don't fit my fat calves well, same for IW.
Moitie socks have a reputation for stretchiness and my Baby socks are the smallest I own - I'm slim and they're tight. If you have fat legs I would definitely suggest AP, they're a lot stretchier.

>>9513029
I'm stuck using Tenshi because none of the big SS will do it any more, she's expensive so I tend to check if the item was cross-posted elsewhere to somewhere I can use a cheaper SS for before committing.

>>9513029
I've used Japonica Market because I've used them for almost a decade and haven't felt a need to use any other service. A lot of people don't like Japonica, but most Japanese shopping services I've seen will work with mercari

>>9512305
Sorry that you can't recognize that a thick cotton sweet style cut and lace blouse isn't gothic. A tip for newfags is to imagine it in white. Is it gothic? No. Then it never was.

>>9513087
It still wouldn't be sweet in white and that cut's not sweet at all. Stop baiting.

>>9513073
The Moitie socks I have are absolutely tiny, so are the IW ones I have. Maybe it's because my MmM socks are older than my Baby ones, but Baby fits just fine while the other brands I've tried just don't. I haven't tried AP or Meta for socks though. Been keeping an eye on Meta but the only plain ones they've had in stock are all raschel lace. AP doesn't even occur to me for basics, whoops. I'll check them out at some point.

>>9513084
How recently did you use them for Mercari though? I thought they sent round an email saying they wouldn't do it them any more. Its been a long while since most shopping services would work with them, zenmarket and FJ won't now.

>>9513115
Not that anon but I used Japonica for Mercari just last month.

The only warning they have is that they wont work with you if they find out you have made an account on mercari and are trying to review your items or deal with sellers directly while using them. Mercari doesnt allow users outside of Japan.

>>9513095
Are you seriously this retarded?

>>9512693
I'm a little bit taller, so that's great info to know, thank you! And wishing you luck with your blouse hunting. Can't help you ID it tho, but I would also guess pre 2003.

>>9513259
No problem! I'm such a shorty it was shocking to find something so short, so I figured I'd pass it on.

As promised, here's haul pics. Names of things are:

Meta School Jacket '03 (mens size) - Needs to be taken in and cleaned. The cuffs are removable, and all the pockets are functional.
MAM Crown Button Blouse w/ tie and BtSSB Waist Shirring Blouse - Removable sleeves for all!
Btssb 2010 Karami
Btssb Velveteen JSK
Meta 3 tiered Plaid Skirt
Meta Camo Skirt - The apron is detachable, and this one predates the Punkuma series.

There were a couple other pieces in the lot with all the Meta/MAM but it's not interesting. That lot also stinks a bit so they're being aired and I'm trying to figure out if I can clean them myself or if I need to visit the dry cleaners (you can see the print run on the pink Meta waist ties where I did some testing....)

>>9514379
How are the cuffs on the jacket removable? I have the womens size version and I have never noticed that feature.

>>9515036
There's a few buttons on the inside that detach! I unfolded the cuffs to check for nastiness and saw there were buttons in there.

What kind of jewellery suits old school best, particularly for on the wrists? Or are wristcuffs or just bare wrists the norm (with short sleeved blouses)?

>>9513104
I've got some Meta lace top UTKs and they're actually pretty stretchy (I had a moment of worry when they came about how tight the top would be but they were fine). AP are stretchy as well, although don't know about their lace top ones.

>>9514379
Try steaming and airing out outside first.

>>9514379
oh no did you get that skirt off wunderwelt?
I had been eyeing it for ages since someone posted it on /cgl/, I didn't know it had a detachable apron as well which makes it so much cuter. I'm crying but I feel like it's in good hands at least

>>9514379
oh no did you get that skirt off closetchild?
I had been eyeing it for ages since someone posted it on /cgl/, I didn't know it had a detachable apron as well which makes it so much cuter. I'm crying but I feel like it's in good hands at least

>>9515449
Nope, I didn't get it off of CC! Looks like that one is still up too, so don't cry anon-friend! The one on CC seems to be a slightly different cut too, its scalloped with a bow. IIRC this print had a couple skirt versions, one a heart apron which seems to be the one I have but the heart is missing sadly.

>>9515443
In the process of airing, but they're in rough shape (yellowing, storage smell, some staining) so I was hoping they'd all be water safe so I could oxyclean them/soak them to get rid of any dirt too. But as my experimenting proved the camo print is not water safe at all and now my stupid ass has to fix the dye run. I'm honestly thanking the old-school gods I had the sense to only test a waist tie.

>>9515488
ahh you're right, I didn't see it when I went and checked after I saw your post. Thanks so much for the awesome pictures and letting us know about the problem with the print running!

>>9515436
Old Vivienne Westwood bracelet?

>>9515511
No worries! I'm happy to help given the number of times cgl has helped me out. Side note, the skirt on CC seems to be NWT, hopefully you snatch it!

Anyone else make any recent purchases?

>>9515082
oh my god a revelation on par with secret pockets. Thank you anon

are there any taobao stores that specialize in oldschool?

>>9517026
I doubt it. It's a very specific type of look that's typical of the fashion's origins, of which taobao brands are not a part of.

>>9517041
it's quite a shame. I'm having trouble finding some specific items to my liking, I wished there were more sources other than second hand

>>9517026
Taobao-fanatic here. The best you'll get is 2.taobao for secondhand goods from Japanese brands or old school looking replicas from Chinese brands. I know the Miranda JSK is really popular in the replica sales right now.

https://world.taobao.com/item/521591851855.htm

>>9517089
If you want an alternative to secondhand there's Baby's designs that they often rerelease, though the fabric is sometimes different to the original releases and of course they're priced accordingly to brand new brand. There aren't many choices other than that, except for maybe handmade.

>>9517089
What specific items are you looking for? I'm going to second the others though and say taobao isn't a great place for old school styled main pieces. You might be able to find accessories though.

>>9512243
>Same lot comes with a jacket, check the pockets on a whim
>Find a little bundle of papers
>Receipts from Laforet from 1/1/2004.
>And an ancient purikura of a group of friends, one of whom is wearing the jacket I'm holding
Holy shit that's so cool. I would love to find something like that.I daydream about the life my items had before reaching me since I only buy secondhand.

>>9471838
What brand is this? I'm mega jealous but I'm so happy for you. I got a thing for black velvet.

>>9471838
I don't follow old school very much, but I'm in love with this piece. The brand is Cornet and that's not the name of the OP itself, right? What is the history behind this brand? It's the first I've heard of it.

>>9519197
Nayrt, but yes Cornet is the brand name. It was a rather small Japanese brand that was featured in the GLBs. I think before it was Cornet it was called Shot Gun Wedding? There's not a whole lot of info about the brand, and it can be hard to find specific pieces secondhand.

>>9519237
Pretty much every piece is worth the hunt though! Their detailed laces are lovely and their pieces are so easy to wear.

None of the anons who were looking but I got the sax heart apron! So happy, I have both pink and sax now. It was from a local lolita so I wasn't really looking and the deal was pretty good. And I'm pretty sure noone has cummed on this one.
>mfw my first heart apron had cum stains

>>9520750
No disagreements here! I keep an eye open for their stuff because damn I gotta get some of that.

Grats on your find! Although...
>cum stains

...say it ain't so.

>>9520761
I remember when I got it from an obviously underaged girl and I was so excited I put it on immeadiately the next day or something. It is outerwear so I thought it's not that necessary to wash it right away. I stood outside and was showcasing it to someone excidetly and noticed some odd stains under the waist band. It was something thick that had been dripping down the waist. When I looked more closely it's obviously cum and the girl had gotten it cheaply from someone so... It makes me a bit uncomfortable to look at the apron still but it's not because I'm afraid of penises but someone was so cunt they sold a cum stained apron to their minor friend.

>>9520750
>>9520761
Wunderwelt's Laacemarket has some Cornet pieces at the moment.

>>9518651
pretty much soft brim bonnets that aren'too huge. or headdresses with a small ruffle on the front (pic related)

Dropping some inspo.

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>>9520876
I've seen a lot of newschool versions of those on Taobao but don't remember seeing oldschool ones. Maxicimam has some though, as do Bodyline. IIRC Anna House and Physical Drop might sell something similar too?

>>9520886
Every time I see this I'm envious of the model's look but I've seen this dress in person and it's soooo short I know it'd never look the same on me.

>>9520895
I've checked pretty much any of those, but they are mostly just regular headdresses or bonnets that are still a bit too big for my taste.

I'm kinda picky, sorry Anon.

>>9520876
Have you checked Antique BeasT? They have pic related, if that's the kind of thing you're looking for.

>>9521999
it's close to what I'm looking for, however I'm not a fan of the lace. I really want to stick to cotton cluny

All of these are on ww right now. Im broke as fuck after buying 10 different dresses since ILD. I hope one of you guys get them amd make cute coords and post theme here for me to look at

>>9522700
Ah, I saw top right and was super tempted! It's quite interestingly-patterned raschel. Unfortunately I'm broke too.

>>9522700
I was lucky enough to grab this one this morning. It was on my wish list for a long time but I'm afraid the bust wil be too small. It was cheap enough to try, though, and I can maybe let out the back darts for a better fit if needed.

>>9522856
Congrats anon, I am glad you got it. I was thinking about it but I just bought a few dresses and am trying to save money. WW is having their summer sale right now with quite a few old school pieces.

>>9522866
Thank you! If it ends up being too small and isn't what I can work with, then I'd gladly sell it to another gull for the price I paid, so if you want it in the future then it may be available.

>tfw put in order for damaged dress and unused Angelic Pretty purse that goes on sale in roughly 5 hours
>tfw as soon as you order and refresh the shop puts out more stuff

I keep refreshing every 5 minutes or so both hoping and dreading more stuff being released because I've already selected my plan and paid for my items.

>>9522700
I just snagged the top left one. I've regretted selling the one I had for a long time!

>>9522856
>>9522876
Damn anon, congrats! It was on my wishlist too, but I'm glad a gull got it. I hope you can make it work but if you really decide to sell it, I'd be interested too.

What are the latest years you consider "old school"? I always see this dress used in old school esque looking coords but its a 2007 release, and thats getting close to the big sweet/ott boom.

>>9523461
Personally I want to say 2007 just because that's 10 years ago. It's not super old school but old enough that they have the same styling/materials.

>>9523461
I've never seen someone use this in an oldschool coord. If you mean that the styling is similar, then yeah, it's not like the entire fashion changed overnight even after OTT sweet became a thing. Fyeahlolita's wardrobe building posts were written in 2012 and still advocate things like matching everything to white for a sweet lolita wardrobe - coordinating that way is seen as oldschool now but it persisted quite a while after oldschool was over.

>>9523461
I've never seen someone use this in an oldschool coord. If you mean that the styling is similar, then yeah, it's not like the entire fashion changed overnight even after OTT sweet became a thing. Fyeahlolita's wardrobe building posts were written in 2012 and still advocate things like matching everything to white for a sweet lolita wardrobe - coordinating that way is seen as oldschool now but it persisted quite a while after oldschool was over.

>>9523461
I saw this on winderwelt today! I hope someone snatches this up soon! I just got that dress really cheap off mercari. It would look nice with a peter pan collar blouse and rectangle headdress. Not super old school, bit it's still 10 years old now! A lot of people think of old school as solid colors and black and white, but i think people forget that florals did exist in the early 2000s!
>pic related, have some 2005 Innocent World

>>9523714
I love old school florals lol

Thought you gulls might appreciate this old AP OP that's up for grabs: https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f221327698

>>9524735
Shit anon i really prefer the lavender but i think im gonna throw down a bid on this anyways. Thanks for the heads up!

>>9524907
No problem! Good luck!

Would you coord this with cream and black or cream and brown? Either would be okay i think, but both my black and brown shoes are worn out and need replacing.

>>9525045
Both would be fine. You can coord it with cream and cream too, as in shoes and socks that match the color of the lace.

>>9525045
You could use red shoes too, red shoes were rare but not unseen in old pics, especially for sweet.

>>9522700
Someone grabbed the tartan one while I was dithering. I'd be interested to see it if it was anyone in the Western comm - I like the dress and had a lot of oldschool punk lolita coord ideas with it but I never really feel myself in punk.

Where can I get monstrosities like pic related? I've tried wunderwelt and a bit of y!a but no cigar

>>9526283
Be patient anon. Ive seen plenty on y!japan and wunderwelt. You need to wait though. And not stop looking at all not even one day or you might miss something. Also that dress in that color is one of my top tier oldschool dream dresses.

>>9526283
y!ja, mercari, mbok, fril

For raschel lace monstrosities you need to look at brands like Metamorphose and Visible, maybe Cornet. Other brands didn't really do them.

>>9526283
There is one pretty promising Meta dress on WW's Lacemarket but idk if it's actually old or something you are looking for. I haven't had a closer look on it really.

http://www.maidenclothing.net/script/detail.php?id=154066991001

Dropping this since my money is tied up in a few auctions at the moment.

http://buyee(dot)jp/item/yahoo/auction/u147487761

In case it's any of you gulls' dream skirt!

>>9526649
ooh, would you mind passing on a link?

>>9526553
Marble too.

If anyone spots any blackxwhite dresses that are heavy on the lace near the bottom, please let me know. I'm still kicking myself for not getting pic related from WW's lacemarket. I keep looking but all I find on Y!J are skirts at the moment.

Gulls looking for older olive dresses?
http://www.maidenclothing.net/script/detail.php?id=154070745001

Two new cute oldschool dresses uploaded to ww today

>>9527004
I'd of loved this if it weren't for that waist full shirring. I own a few VM green dresses, beautiful color irl.

>>9512243
please post the purikura

for the colour running get an icy bin of water with lots of vinegar in it and hope for the vinegar to set that shit in

http://www.fromjapan.co.jp/en/auction/yahoo/input/l377386377/lgk-link_search

Found an old Innocent World for auction.

https://item.fril.jp/e89e5c286dab533be6b3d5c7ca922e44
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-velveteen-ginger-man-op

Would anyone happen to have any pictures of anyone wearing these? I thought they were kind of popular but I can't seem to find any photos.

>>9527006
I was really surprised WW didn't mark that Karami as severely damaged, ripped chest lace has been replaced with chemical lace that blatantly doesn't match the rest.

>>9528379
I have that JSK, that's all original lace on there. It might be their lighting making it look off.

>>9528372
i think ophelia has these

sorry to post when the thread's reaching it's limit but I found a few incredible old school things

>meta triple lace sk in blk
https://rakuma.rakuten.co.jp/item/f5724666187458235992
>offwhite meta shirring op
https://rakuma.rakuten.co.jp/item/f2492144873482504625
(there's also a damaged one for half the price on LM)
>AP gobelin spindle jsk
https://rakuma.rakuten.co.jp/item/f1723028268062587711
>AP strawberry picking skirt w/ apron
https://rakuma.rakuten.co.jp/item/f0964387745415147586

some of these are really old, like featured in first three GLBs, but look in good condition. I'm holding out for dreams so I thought I'd share

>>9528372
Those are replicas of An-Ten-Na's shoes

>>9528859
Oh yes I meant An-Ten-Na's, sorry.
I was lazy.

>>9528389
It's been replaced with white chemical lace, how is this original?

"There is a contamination of yarn in the front body."

https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-26587

>>9529049
Anon, they're just trying to say that there are stains (you can see what looks like a black ink mark on the lace), not that the lace was cross-contaminated with a different lace. The ivory colorway of Karami JSKs all have that off-white lace for the ribbon on them, no lace has been replaced on the JSK. I think it's just their lighting (maybe fluorescent) making it look much brighter than it is.

https://images.lolibrary.org/file/lolibrary-images/1f90453d-dad7-5815-a206-f2f32b060509.jpeg

https://images.lolibrary.org/file/lolibrary-images/9c22d19a-9a62-510e-bc2f-535c98527c99.jpeg

https://images.lolibrary.org/file/lolibrary-images/6b94c898-5889-566b-ad4c-ffc70dbe4bdb.jpeg

>>9529049
I have that dress, it's indeed the original lace.

http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/v504201383
moitie skirt. Too newfag to know if it's iron gate or not, but hey, it's pretty and might be someone's dd

>>9529088
>>9529356
Oh man, I'm sorry for being wrong and not fact-checking first but at the same time that's such a poor design decision and its shininess stands out like a sore thumb. I get why they did it to avoid lacing risking tearing more delicate lace but it looks absolutely horrible.

>tfw beige 3-tier Karami was a top-tier dream dress and now I no longer want it
I've never noticed it in pictures before so maybe it's just more obtrusive when photographed it with flash, but damn.

>>9529496
That's Royal Gate.

>>9529920
If it's any consolation it's really not noticeable in person unless you KNOW it is different, but if it's a bother I'd go for a different colorway. The thing that did throw me off was the synthetic lace vs. cotton everywhere else, which is probably why it photographs weird, but idk, it was an OCD bother to me.

>>9529920
Idk if it helps but I have the white one and it doesn't stand out. And it's indeed super practical, I wish they used that in back lacings too.

Snagged a Cornet sailor op, I'm so excited! Also, took care of my Karami jsk and felt like returning it's old glory. Washed it, ironed it and replaced the elastics on the shoulder straps. The best old school feel ever.

>>9524735
>>9524907
>11 hours left
>Not a single bid yet
>got my snipe bid ready and my alarm set to watch the last few minuets of this auction

Im feeling good guys. Its nice not too many people like this older out of date shit so theres less competition. I still get a bit paranoid because ive had older obscure shit outbid from me in the last few seconds.

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k259140199

looks like someone is selling off a variety lot of old dresses and other stuff. Bidding is up to 20,000 now.

Head's up- this Meta skirt is up on Wunderwelt's Lacemarket!

New thread >>9531487