/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9488437
>My other unpopular opinion is that I'd take a pretty but "boring" coord over most OTT ones any day.
Is this really unpopular?

>>9488437
Yeah, /cgl/ has been full retard for a while. Most people here don't even know what constitutes as ita anymore. The threads are all nitpicks and vendettas. I'm getting the feeling that it's pretty much all newfags who have been in just long enough to know the rules and think they have to be followed stringently. Any deviation is "ita" because they are insecure about their own place in this fashion.

I completely agree, op. I've seen some really cringey arguments about coording that went exactly how you describe. For example, people were talking about how hard Merry Making in the Ghost Town in red is to coordinate (iirc they were saying it was flat out impossible) and some anon had the audacity to point out it really wasn't and you don't have to include every color on the print in the side pieces. People started getting really butthurt, demanded anon post pics if she's so amazing, and called them boring, even though they were giving perfectly fine examples of how it could be done. With something like MMitGT, the print is already so garish that forcing all the colors on the print into the side pieces would look revolting. It's not brain surgery, these ita fucks act like coording is harder than bringing peace to the Middle East.

>>9488447
Not OP, but I'd say so. Especially on /cgl/.

>>9488437
I think a big problem is that a lot of these gulls aren't even Lolita. I've seen a lot "I'm no Lolita but..." Posts lately

>>9488463
Actually I'd say apart from itas using casual as an excuse it's even more unpopular outside of cgl. Not even 1/4 of "casual" coords will be even just simple ones.

>>9488447
Yes, I've made basic coord thread before and only a few people comment. Same with casual threads.

>>9488468
That that is sad. Casual Lolita or "toned down simple" coords is what makes Lolita an actual style versus just event fashion. To which style>fashion but unpopular opinion from me.

I just got blocked by Alyson Tabbitha for just showing a second opinion, and that is:

Sexy cosplays doesn't have a hard time as the drama they make.

They have the easy road and day by day is becoming easier. People are willing to defend it and if a girl with minimum fame goes to facebook and says "Can't show my tits because people are mean", a bunch of people would appear, sharing, giving support and every they can imagine just to make said person show their skin for whatever reason there is. There isn't a hard time neither courage to do it. A single shot at the right angle will take a sexy one to heavens.

So, again, I do not understand why people make such a big deal over sexy cosplays.

As for comparing them to porn stars, if you watch some Brazzers you will see that the parodies have female costumes that are identical to well known cosplayers.

Yet again, people are to fragile to have a second opinion in their post. It's like "I'm going to post this so people WILL agree with me."

rant.

It honestly feels like it is. The most obviously would be on CoF where cute but "boring" outfits would hardly reach 100 likes while even the most ugly OTT outfits would have 250-400 likes

>>9488490
Many cosplayers I have seen that have narcissistic tendencies do it. When they post it is the expectation their audience will agree. If not, expect fans and white knights to kick you out. It is their page and their delusional domain, so really as much as it is not helping them develop into a more well rounded person, it is their right. Sexual cosplayers know what they are doing. They are essentially selling a well known product, but the difference is pornstars are not meant to be approachable, the sexy geek is giving the obtainable delusion cause "pretty girl has same hobbies as lowly me, if I support her I might have a chance! "
Imo I give more respect to pornstars cause from the ones I have met they are more upfront about selling sex and workout to keep up their job. I see you many "skinny by chance" girls buying boobs and hoping they don't get ugly one day and justifying "it is not softcore just lewwwds and I can't help the character is made this way teehee! "


TL;DR they know what they are doing and don't care.

If everyone on /cgl/ (or at least enough to constantly bring this topic up) misses simple cute outfits and don't care for the OTT messes, why hasn't it reflected in the likes on COF? Surely, a sizable amount of us are also members in Closet of Frills and if we make a group effort to stop liking OTT coords and start liking simple coords, it would be more apparent. But I don't think anyone would want to do that because most people casually browse Facebook and are more likely to like something eye catching, even in a bad way.

>>9488498
>skinny by chance
What?

>>9488501
The girls who say high metabolism am the time, are skinnyfat (really unhealthy but appear fit). I have had a girl describe herself as "skinny by chance" when describing herself.

>>9488502
*all the time

One of you ought to be my lolita gf.

>>9488509
Now there's an unpopular opinion.

>>9488502
That's not how it works.

>>9488498
Indeed, I do respect porn stars more, just because they are move brave and honest about what they are doing.

I remember a comparison between a porn star event and a red carpet one. The porn starts were way more well dresses and showing less skin than the former. After all, they know when to dress accordingly in each situation.

>>9488437
I think dreads can look really good in lolita, but only really in old school/moitie style gothic or OTT sweet (Kind of wish pic related had a hair colour that matched her coord to aid my point but w/e)

I wanted to get synthetic dreads for ages but put it off because I hate wearing wigs in lolita, but then I realised honestly it dosen't really matter all too much

>>9488516
I just let her think that way. She might be in for a rude awakening.

>>9488465
This is true, but there are itas here too.
In my comm, the only girls who openly talk about the things they read on /cgl/ and act like it's some cool secret club, dress like shit. I used to think cgl had high standards because the posters were well-dressed, experienced lolitas but now whenever I see some stupid opinion in a post I imagine one of the itas in my comm posting it. I'm talking ratty converse with OTT classic, literal children's clothes from thrift stores, and wearing wigs like hats. They're super elitist too, bitching whenever a 'normie' compliments them and constantly talking about how they're so much classier than mainstream girls who wear jeans even though they themselves also wear jeans most of the time. They seem to think they're above everyone else and should be treated like princesses even though they smoke like chimneys, swear like sailors and scream at each other about which Love Live character is most fuckable within earshot of little children. They don't seem to realise that putting on a pretty dress doesn't hide how trashy they are on the inside and doesn't make them better than anyone else.

Sage for ranting. I guess my unpopular opinion is that I wish lolitas were luvlies UwU not because the clothes demand it but because I can't stand being surrounded by edgy 'weeb trash' types at every meetup. I might at well be at a Brony meetup with the way some of them act.

>>9488498
>pornstars are not meant to be approachable
Not true, I used to think this but I have a roomie who's pretty into porn now and I found out from him that most big US pornstars do escorting on the side, or use porn appearances essentially as an advert for their career as an escort. They also do meet-and-greets.

I'm tired of the whining of "less OTT, more casual!"
If you want to see more pretty casual outfits, go and fucking comment/like their photos. Like others mentioned, casual coords don't get a lot of attention or likes so obviously no one is going to post them. Who seriously takes the time to share their photo to not receive any positive feedback?

>>9488560
Oh that's pretty cool actually. The women I know don't do that as much, only one is an escort.
I guess I was referring to the average Joe ending up with an above average porn star. I find more of my guy friends say they like certain sexual cosplayers because "they seem to be into the same fandoms obviously."

>>9488562
I honestly think that's because there are so many cosplayers and weebs in CoF who don't wear lolita, and it also depends on how many fb friends you have in the group.
I personally don't feel like posting my casual and toned-down coords because I think it's nothing new and I'd have to post several times a week, with daily lolita I could just put them all in one post.

>>9488562
I think the bitching is less about the lack of simpler outfits and more about the idiots who think a coord is automatically ita if it's not OTT.

>>9488497
>>9488500
>>9488562
I honestly think that's because there are so many cosplayers and weebs in CoF who don't wear lolita, and it also depends on how many fb friends you have in the group.
I personally don't feel like posting my casual and toned-down coords because I think it's nothing new and I'd have to post several times a week, with daily lolita I could just put them all in one post.

>>9488437
>wigs always make your coord look like cosplay
>Casual / simple lolita is true lolita, everything else looks ott / cosplay, for me is the fashion I wear everyday, not a costume for special events like tea parties or meets.
>bangs are not obligatory
> lolitas who only wear it at cons or meets aren't lolitas
> you can go blouseless on summer
> circle lens + dead eye fish makeup made you look like an old living doll, you look like cosplaying
> for coord pics, adding a closeup of your face is STUPID if you can't ever see the headdress and or hairstyle, only your fucking makeup
> fat will always look bad, but because it look bad in general, in every style or even naked

>>9488578
This.
Plus what about the actual daily Lolita's that treat it like...actual clothing and not an online bragfest? Knew a girl in my few freshman year of college that wore well put together simple and casual daily and she said she preferred not to post all the time, it would be cumbersome.

>toned-down lolita isn't the core of the fashion, if lolita blends into the mainstream enough to be truly toned down you've lost the core of rebelliousness that makes it lolita
>circle lenses are horrible outside of gothic and OTT sweet


>>9488581
> for coord pics, adding a closeup of your face is STUPID if you can't ever see the headdress and or hairstyle, only your fucking makeup
Disagree, make-up is an important part of a coord and can really change how something looks. It's pointless when they've filtered it to hell in Meitu or something though.

>>9488581
I hate closeups. You bare a chance of tpeople ignoring your Coord because your face is jank or genetically unfortunate.

>>9488581
>circle lens + dead eye fish makeup made you look like an old living doll, you look like cosplaying
That's kind of the point. Misako has bangs for that reason (showing eyebrows shows more emotion). One of the main influences of Lolita fashion was dolls.

>>9488585
For me, it's that I've noticed that people tend to kick off on cgl if people are being "boring" and posting the same/similar stuff all the time, even if it's OTT AP (like that girl who wore all the space coords and people said it was pointless and she was spamming the group with samey looks). I try to avoid posting the same dress on CoF more than once, twice at most, and if I've done two different coords with the same main piece I often collage them together. People think you don't own anything else otherwise, and since the Facebook format makes it hard to search your old coords, posting the same stuff all the time doesn't even give people inspo for a cohesive wardrobe unless you're popular enough for them to see every coord you post.

I really love "one dress three/five/whatever ways" sort of posts but CoF bans posting more than two coords per post so I usually only post whatever my most OTT/put-together coord with that piece is, which isn't the daily stuff.

>>9488592
I still think even with Misako's makeup it looks more simple than tons of ones I see in CoF. I am tired of the super lashes plus white waterline look. People still aren't figuring out not every makeup tip is for their face/skin tone. Maybe that's what anon was talking about?

What is with everyone acting like toned-down>OTT is somehow an unpopular opinion on here? Do you have eyes? All you gulls do is bitch about how OTT is gaudy and overrated, while lamenting the fact that simple coords don't get more attention. Did you mean the community as a whole?

>>9488554
I couldn't "this" hard enough. Almost every super salty "elitist" wannabe I've ever know has been straight up ita. Hell, even on LJ back in the day, the meanest posters were almost always terribly dressed, but at least it was all said under a screen name, so you knew who was full of shit and didn't know what the fuck they were talking about.

I also second the sentiment about the edgy weeb trash, but also would like to include the other extreme of the spectrum. Only thing worse than the "I smoke and curse in lolita- bask in my edge!" types are cringey teenagers who say you basically have to have the moral standards of a nun to be a "real lolita".

>>9488603
I think that's why they give concrit in the CoF thread instead of on facebook. You can't tell people how to dress if everyone can see your real name and how ita you are or that you don't even have one coord.

>>9488602
Same can be asked of you, anon. Go to the archives and look at some of the nitpick and ita threads.

I don't understand /cgl/'s love for Misako. Everyone always bitches about girls who just coordinate full sets... but that's all she does.

>>9488581
Dead fish are kawaii af, don't hate.

>>9488660
I thought people didn't like her as much here?
That and she is representing certain brands as a spokesmodel, maybe she has to wear a lot of full sets?

>>9488660
>>9488664
My unpopular opinion is that I don't get the hate for full sets. I fucking love full sets.

I feel weird that pictures from Closet of Frills are being taken and posted to /cgl without the person's permission. Like, sure, post pictures anywhere on the internet at your own risk but I just feel like it really defeats the purpose of wearing Lolita in the first place: being confident in yourself.

>>9488690
What I find funny about it is that one of /cgl/'s biggest complaints about Tumblr is the rampant reposting of people's pics without permission... which is all /cgl/ is.

Anyone who says wearing lolita is a political movement is a lazy cunt.

>>9488603
>Show up to big meet at nice venue
>spot disheveled sweet lolita heading in
>Stamps out American Spirit with a filthy tea party shoe
>Elitist about brand but gets filthy smoke all over it

Honestly it's gone the other way, the stiff "lovely uwu" politeness is edgy now when everyone freely swears, wears workout/ house clothes outside, etc. Nobody notices some "deliquent" but everybody takes notice of a true lady.

>>9488696
I agree, which is why I reposted part of some girl's RC:U post. The full thing is cringe imo.

>>9488794
Not to say the fake nun politeness is, but genuine grace is, if I'm making any sense

>>9488660
Cgl hates Misako

>>9488812
Most are ambivalent, at least from My perspective. A handful of girls are very vocal about their hate and get in Misako circle jerks.

>>9488497
>>9488578
This sort of stuff is why I stay far away from CoF. I wear lolita most days, but apparently I'm "boring" or "otome" if I don't wear a bonnet and six petticoats to go on a date or to a normie party? Sorry I can't be door-chan and look like I stepped off a runway every day, but that's just not my thing.

I have considered staring regular daily_lolita threads here though... I have seen them in the past, but I don't remember any recently? They used to be a bit like /fa/'s WYWT threads, but with less pimply teenage boys. It would be cool if it encouraged people like the girl in >>9488585 to post, too. I'm just so sick of "Here's the fancy OTT classic coord I wore to my comm's porcelain doll-themed photoshoot."

>>9488596
AH, I totally forgot about them, but I used to love the one jsk worn several different ways posts! Can we bring those back somehow? Not on CoF but maybe here?

>>9488837
People have tried to do it before but no one likes to self post. The hyper critical gulls descend and make it hostile to post anything that isn't polished and perfect.

>in before don't post if you're an ita.

>>9488812
>>9488592
>>9488601
>>9488660
>Arguing over Misako like it's 2012 while ignoring the true queen of lolita models.
You should all be ashamed of yourself.

>>9488871
i don't get it, she's just average-looking

though i really like using her for reaction images i don't find her very pretty

>>9488860
Ugh. This is why we can't have nice things.

>>9488860
this and people treat "revealing yourself to be a gull" like it's unwise or a bad thing. if a person selfposts their coordinate once, then they'll likely be suspected of samefagging or something if any kind of issue arises because that's /cgl/ for us.

>>9488872
It takes more than beauty to be a queen. It takes true TALENT. And I don't know about you, but I've never seen a lolita model look at her feet the way Queen Model-san did. That regal, downturned glance straight at those new brand shoes you know you'll buy replicas of next year... The slight smile that says both "You will never know who I am" and "these shoes are too tight"... Her sudden abdication of her throne at the height of her reign, leaving her dumpy younger sister to reign in her stead...

Model-san may have left us, but we will never have a queen that can compare to her. Who cares if she's pretty? Pretty girls wish they were Model-san. She is so classic and iconic that I bet someday IW will release a dress where her face is the edge print, and I can't speak for you infidels, but I know I will be the first in its reservation queue.

>>9488437
My unpopular opinion is that I don't really care about boobloaf. Obviously if you're wearing something way too small for you, you'll look like shit, but many lolitas with average-to-small tits still get boob loaf in certain dresses that actually fit them fine. It happens, move on. As long as you're not busting the seams, I don't care whether I can see the individual mounds of your breasts in your JSK or not. Boobloaf away.

Also, a slight amount of loafing can very occasionally bring out the details in the bodice of a jsk better, imo

>>9488871
All hail Draco Malfoy, most kawaii lolita of all.

>>9488910
I'm not long enough into lolita or /cgl I guess, so can someone explain this to me?

>>9488917
>can see the individual mounds of your breasts

Who can see this is any JSK? Even tiny Asian lolitas?

>>9489498
She was a model for Innocent World. Unlike Misako Aoki, Midori Fukasawa, etc. we had no idea who this girl was and where she came from at the time.

I really don't like Super Carly or Milky Fawn.

I think Lor is prettier than the average American girl, I like her witchy features.

I'm glad that Kate came back because I really like looking at pictures of her cat.

>>9489498
Ultra oldfag meme. She was the old IW model and due to there being no information on her unlike any other major Lolita model, she attracted a lot of discussion and lolisecrets/btb jokes regarding her mysterious past and resemblance to Tom Felton.

>>9488910
I like her a lot more than Risa honestly.

>>9488910
I lol'd

>>9489408
Underrated post

>>9489884
>Lor is prettier than the average American girl

>>9488696
cgl is reposting for the sake of discussion, tumblr/pinterest/etc are reposting for "aesthetic", "i thought this looked cool", "idk the source but its the internet and i dont care"

>>9490085
It's still reposting without the owner's permission, regardless of context.

>>9490078
To be fair, the average American girl is a cow. Ever look up the average sizes in that country? They're pigs.

>>9490085
adding to this, people are expected to say so when they post things on cgl that are original content. it's generally assumed that, if it's posted here, it's probably not being posted by whoever created it...as opposed to social media where you make an account and have a name attached to what you post.

>>9490078
To be fair, the average American is a cow. Ever look up the average sizes in that country? They're pigs.

>>9490094
I'd say this argument can also be made about tumblr. No one is expecting anything to be original there unless you specify.

>>9490090
genuinely asking, why is permission so important? if it's been posted on social media, you've already agreed to that site's terms and conditions (which probably include that service's use of your content without your knowledge). if you post it online, you will never again have full control over that content...why get so bent out of shape over it?

>>9490096
ah, I was waiting for the obligatory derailing post

>>9490098
Really? I guess it depends on who you follow, most of what I see on my dashboard is either posted directly by the creator or shared from the source (I follow mostly artists and lolitas, not many blogs that strictly reblog).

>>9490099
It just boils down to the same, beaten to death, argument: If you don't want you pictures to end up in different places, don't post them online. People will never understand this and continue to get butthurt when they get posted all over the place.
>hurdur y can't u just leave ppl alone
I'm not condoning it or saying it's okay in a moral sense to crosspost a stranger's picture, but it's going to happen and nothing will ever stop it from happening so either deal with it or don't post your pics online.
Super simple stuff.

If replicas are that bad for the brands, how come i never heard about a brand sueing Oo-jia, dream of lolita and the like?

>>9488437
>also this literal cosplay of Sailor Moon in a lowtier offbrand dress in fandom lolita threads is totally goals
what are you refering to?

>>9490184
Because the replica makers are Chinese and unless you're a financial juggernaut trying to set an example and willing to sink lots of time and money into the process, you won't achieve shit. Japanese brands are small, niche companies. Sueing a China-based company would be an exercise in futility for them and even if they manage to get one to shut down, another one will pop up the next day.

>>9490184
>this level of newfag
AP and several other brands have publicly spoken out against replicas (it was actually on the front page of every official AP site for a while) and did everything in their legal power to stop them, but because of China's lack of fucks about international copyright laws (there's a reason the vast majority of counterfeit goods are Chinese) it's next to impossible to actually stop them. They were successful in closing down Western outlets to buy them, but they can only go so far.

Not to mention, whether they actually hurt the brands sales is besides the point, profiting off of blatant art theft is disgusting and trashy as is anyone who supports it.

>>9490184
Idk but I work for a designer who's clothing is sold at over 20 locations in Europe and she can't afford to sue people for replicas. who knows how hard or expensive it is in Jpn and China?

>>9490191
Not OP, but I'm pretty sure they're referring to fandom coord threads and that this is the specific example they were using. It's been posted here quite a few times and has sparked several heated debates over whether it's amazing or ita trash. Quite a few girls have cited it as their favorite coord of all time.

>>9490207
my opinion as a non Lolita is that this is Lolita inspired cosplay. Just like ppl do steam punk verisoions of things, grunge versions, casual street wear versions, etc...

It's also cute af.

>>9490207
Really? It's a decent coord, nothing special about it in good or bad (except the ugly blouse collar)
But fangirls will be fangirls

I have no respect for lolitas who refuse to buy name brand. I don't spend time with them. They tend to have shit taste and no sense of aesthetics. I don't care about your "sparkling personality," if you primarily buy those tacky cheap taobao dresses I am repulsed and we clearly don't see eye to eye about the fashion.

>>9490221
>my opinion as a non lolita
No one cares what non lolitas think about lolita.

>>9490268
it's not Lolita faggot

>>9490249
I sort of agree. I don't mind newbies who buy Taobao because they can't afford brand and haven't discovered the wonderful world of the Japanese secondhand market, but I also know some people who only wear BL/Taobao on principle and refuse to buy Japanese brand even though they could afford it if they wanted to, because they want to be ~original~. These people are honestly so annoying to be around because they're always very contrary and argumentative. They'll insist that BL/Taobao quality and design is at least as good if not better than brand and we're idiots for spending money on brand. And they refuse to drop the subject even when you try to agree to disagree. I own pieces by BL and various TB brands that I'm quite happy with and I'm no snob, but saying that BL quality > brand is downright incorrect. Same goes for the majority of what's on Taobao.

>>9490221
As a Lolita I agree with you. I don't cosplay but I feel like it's near the other end of the spectrum of doing a sexy version cosplay.

>>9490274
Most of the time they are the same people that genuinly think someone with cohesive brand wardrobe is jealous over their Taobao collection. If I was I wouldn't have all my cheapish shit as soon as I realised I could buy brand with that money. I also dislike people who got their cheap shit by advertising scammer sites to newbies but they are of course on another level.

>>9490207
Sorry OP but I love this coord so much

>>9489884
>I think Lor is prettier than the average American girl, I like her witchy features.

>>9488910
my sides are in orbit

>>9490249
I don't care if people primarily buy Taobao, maybe they have different taste (Taobao brands put out some nice pieces and custom sizing does some people a lot of favours), but people who claim Bodyline is better than brand!!! grind my gears.

>>9490096
America's notorious obesity rates are actually due to our 12% black population who have over 50% obesity. Look at only white americans and our obesity rates is about ~#40 in the world instead of being top 10.

>>9490249
>>9490274
I'm fine with people who have yet to buy brand for financial reasons, but I've met way too many people who can afford secondhand brand yet haven't taken the plunge.
In my book you don't necessarily have to own brand to be a lolita, but you have to appreciate and/or respect it to some degree. Anyone who claims to have no appreciation for brand can fuck off right out of the fashion. If you genuinely dislike EVERYTHING brands put out and aren't just talking out of your ass because you can't afford it, what do you even like about lolita? Brands and their designs are the foundation of what makes the fashion what it is.

>>9490411
I call bs. How is a small percentage of the population going to push us so far over the edge obesity wise, even if they were all obese? I play a game called count the normal size human whenever I'm out. And truth is that obesity is epidemic for all races in the usa. Sounds to me that you just hate on black people and want to blame them for the problems.

>>9490096

>>9490492
Hardly. I'm an average-sized but tall person in my country, but when I visited the States I was at least two dress sizes smaller than pretty much everyone I encountered, the vast majority of which were a good deal shorter than me.

>>9490411

50% of 12% is still 6% of the entire population anon. Take a stats class.

>>9490411
... That would account for 6% of the 30+% obesity rate, anon.

>>9490492
It's not bait when it's factual reality, my friend.

>>9490099
This. Unless the person reposting is profitting off the image or pretending they created it, I don't see the problem.

>>9489884
Shit taste confirmed

>>9490589
Why? Because you worship Alannah and Carly?

>salopettes can still be lolita
>cgl is in denial about the negative effect it has on lolita fashion
>cgl has gotten nicer over the years re: targeting specific people to bully and harass, but now is pickier and subtly bitchier than before (see: nitpick threads)
>why is behind-the-bows/lolita secrets still around, there is no point anymore. the online lolita community isn't built that way. it's dead. let it die.
>lolita will never be normie, it will never be mainstream, and we should stop caring what normies think about us
>cgl needs to stop bitching about ott sweet/classic, especially when cgl is never happy with simple or toned down coordinates either
>not everyone cares about your constructive criticism.
>chikage and amo were better and cuter lolita models than misako
>i don't think the american international lolita community is big enough to warrant lolita exclusive events. even rufflecon panders to general jfashion. it makes sense to hold big lolita events in japan, its a small country. the US is too big.
>western gal circles were dumb too. and larme meetups are even dumber. just wear the clothes. you don't need to meetup.

>>9490096
>>9490411
It's almost entirely due to the American diet. Not even counting portions or calories, it's all the carbs and sugars added into everything to make it "fat free" and thus "healthy". Poor people which often times includes minorities, but also whites too are often huge because their diet is shit full of carbs and added "hidden" sugars because it's cheap. Plus eating so much of that makes your insulin spike and crash and does all kinds of crazy shit to your system and hormones. But I'm eating all this fat free stuff like gummy bears and pasta, with some fruit juice it'll be good for me right?

Oh and we're also pretty inactive.

>>9490595
>cgl needs to stop bitching about ott sweet/classic, especially when cgl is never happy with simple or toned down coordinates either
It's almost as if cgl isn't a hivemind and the anons nitpicking simple coords and the anons complaining OTT has taken over aren't the same people.

>>9490612
I will never understand why people think we all think the same exact things, especially when we get into long ass heated debates over the most meaningless shit?

>>9490612
No, cgl isn't a hivemind, but cgl isn't that big either, I think there is an overlap of anons doing that. And if it is something that is harming the lolita community, shouldn't those who disagree be more resistant to nitpick threads and actively shut down unwarranted criticism in CoF threads?

>>9490610
It doesn't help that speaking against obesity will get you shat on by both sides of the political aisle.

>>9488581
>> for coord pics, adding a closeup of your face is STUPID if you can't ever see the headdress and or hairstyle, only your fucking makeup
i hate collages with unbalanced closeup pics

i want to see your coord. i do not want to see a collage where your nose is as big as your dress.

>>9488498
Unpopular opinion: I am really sick of people using this faux respect for sex workers that they didn't have a year ago as an excusw to hate on girls who like to feel attractive. I agree that I don't like the trend in cosplay where sexy is a key point in how it is viewed to the outside world, but sexy has always been, and will always be, a part of cosplay, so put the weight of the people making it front and center stage of the scene the people who enable it. Or at least be transparent about your sense of moral superiority; the "sex workers are more respectable than this!" thing is really transparent and pretty grating.

>inb4 jelly
>inb4 whore
>inb4 whiteknight
I'm a mostly gay guy with a conservative approach to showing skin.

I think it's totally fine to sell things for way more than you paid for

>>9490439
And yet to every new person who comes around, taobao and bodyline is recommended more than secondhand brand

>>9490931
>Or at least be transparent about your sense of moral superiority
how about taking your own advice, m8? anon wasn't tearing anybody down, just explaining the similarities between cosplaying for profit and sex work, which they were quite respectful towards. Aint nothing wrong with either. Not everybody has obvious sexual-hang ups like you. I mean, if you even are a 'conservative gay guy who doesn't like showing skin' (which, is that even a thing??) instead of the salty cos-thot you probably are.

>>9490949
Partly because a lot of the advice is older, from before lolita was as much of a buyer's market as it is now. I know around 2013 I was told to buy brand instead of Taobao and ignored the advice because back then you could only reliably get old non-print for cheap (OTT sweet hadn't completely fallen from favour yet and oldschool was considered passé and borderline ita rather than trendy) and that would still run you $75-100 and be hard to shift second-hand. If you bought, say, an IW dress on sale you ran a big risk of having to sell it for $60+ less than you paid for it. Whereas Bodyline hadn't started jacking up their prices and nixing free shipping yet, and when I got bored of Bodyline I sold all my Bodyline for either what I paid or slightly higher. Nowadays you can get all styles for cheap, there's more of a market for nonprints, and previously popular prints like Sugary Carnival go for a fraction of what they used to.

New lolitas are indecisive as fuck IMO, a lot of them change their style within the first year in the fashion or leave the fashion entirely, so having something that's either cheap to start with (because cheap stuff is easier to sell because there are more buyers able to afford it at any given time) or that you'll make a 90-100%+ return on (i.e. recent AP releases if you can afford them) is most important. For myself now I would always buy what I love because the price is worth it to me even if the resale isn't much (e.g. new-from-brand solids, pieces I know are/will be unpopular), but I wouldn't tell a new lolita to do the same because it could fuck them over financially.

>>9490078
Isnt Lor the old haggard one? How is she in Orange County and yet can't find a single moisturizer? You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a dermatologist, and here this thing walks around looking like the crypt keeper with a massive headbow. It's embarrassing just to be near her.

>>9489884
anon you have terrible taste

>>9490965
>which, is that even a thing??
nayrt but seriously? Have you ever actually met a single gay person? Most of my gay friends actually hate pride parades because of how trashy they are and how they create this slutty image of the gay community, when in reality most of them are perfectly normal people who simply prefer to date their own rather than the opposite sex. My best friend is a guy whose perfect Saturday night is cuddling up with his boyfriend and cat to watch a scary movie at home. Guys like in your picture make him super uncomfortable and he hates how people like you paint him with the same slutty brush just because he's in love with another man.

To make this more on topic, I guess my unpopular opinion is that I hate how the lolita community, at least my local one, fetishises gay men and drag queens. They play it up like they're huge LGBT+ allies but in reality they don't do shit other than watch Drag Race, yell YAAS QUEEN at each other and buy Jeffree Star makeup. They act like they're so supportive by attending pride parades in lolita but don't know a single thing about local legislation regarding homosexual relationships or anything that actually affects the LGBT community in their daily life. For all their ally posturing, they don't give a fuck about gay men unless they're putting on a performance and gay women might as well not exist.

>>9491139
whoah man what a load you just pulled out your ass. I agree with you on your 'unpopular' opinion actually, though all the gay men I've known have embodied a bit of the stereotype and like to make fun of themselves. it's part of having a thick skin, something you may need to work on if you're going to use this site

All maid cafés are cringe. Yes, even the ones in Japan where the Girls are actually pretty are cringy as fuck.

>>9491169
That's not unpopular at all.

>>9491170
Glad to hear. Since I see maid café threads on here sometimes, I thought /cgl/ liked them

>>9488860
I've gotten extremely harsh comments while self posting. Not even concrit. Things like
"How the fuck did you think this would ever look good, are you an idiot?"

>>9490965
I'm not politically conservative at all, and I definitely don't mind guys doing the outfits from 300, lmao, I just don't like showing my own.

Anyway, I definitely think that there's a duality in the way a lot of people talk about "coswhores" and sex work; it's like sex work is only respectable insofar as it can be used to bash cosplayers who dress up sluttily. It's like people who think sexy cosplay is only acceptable if you're conventionally attractive; while I may agree that I find some people's sexy cosplays unappealing, it would be very hypocritical of me to say that it is okay for SOME people to do sexy cosplays, but not for others.
If someone puts photos out there and people are willing to pay; more power to them. I realize it might feel unfair because they're "not putting any effort in it" (which, really, you can't actually know) and I definitely think there's a place for a discussion around sexy cosplay and platforms like patreon and the role these plays in the cosplay culture... but don't use sex workers as an excuse to talk shit about cosplayers.

>>9491139
The drag queen thing is a trend in beauty culture in general right now; a lot of the most prominent make up trends of the past years are pulled directly from drag culture.

>>9491172
It's a pipe dream.

>>9488581
> fat will always look bad, but because it look bad in general, in every style or even naked
fucking yes
If you want to take care so much of your looks by buying expensive clothes and coord them perfectly, FIRST fix your appearance. Is not like is expensive or something.

>>9491280
Replying before the inevitable 'gym memberships are expensive!!!' post, exercise and proper diet aren't expensive and it blows my mind to know people think it is.

Unpopular opinion: RHS>Teaparties

>>9491282
>RHS>Teaparties
That's an unpopular opinion?

>>9488437
My unpopular opinion: non-japanese lolitas being this elite over something they are piggybacking onto because they're weeaboos.

Like seriously some of the girls on here are ugly as fuck but act like they're god's gift to the earth because they have money and make decent coords.

Jesus. Buy yourself a new face instead of your dress and maybe i'll take you a little more seriously about a fashion subculture.

>>9491287
How often do you see people wear teaparties vs rhs

>>9491289
Most of my lolita friends are not weebs,but I can see why you think so because the more weeby lolita's are on cgl more often because a lot of them are /used to be into cosplay

>>9491287
>>9491291
Yeah I'm thinking it's unpopular due to the tiny percentage of RHS compared to teaparties I see. But maybe more people like the look of RHS vs teaparties but just don't wear them? I don't know, honestly.

>>9488581
>If you're ugly, your coord will look ugly, always

If you're ugly, you can find a style that works for you but lolita looks REALLY bad on girls who aren't youthful and cute already. I'd rather see fatty-chans that coord for their body than ugly bignosed bucktoothed girls

>>9490931
I think you might have missed my post but aight. Make those assumptions.

>>9490207
>>9490221
I agree with this anon.

I think they, if they are not usually lolita, likely still did their research into lolita to make this cosplay. so i think it's cute. If you wanna do lolita Sailor Moon, this is how you'd do it. I think a curl to the hair would've added a nice touch though.

I don't like the bag though but that's just me thinking those schoolbag kinda bags are ugly.
>>9490360
I don't care about famous lolitas because i'm a filthy casual but i looked up who this was, and this gif is perfect. That girl is ugly AF. >>9490931
I agree with this anon. Unless it's Jessica Nigri levels of lazy just to show boobs, i think choosing a character who happens to have a sexy outfit (Quiet for example off the top of my head) is a valid choice if you have the body for it. I'd rather see chicks who can pull it off do it than fat chicks at least (and way too many fat chicks try to do these sexy cosplays now because of body positivity. Stop chasing away the hot chicks, do you want us all to go blind?)


I honestly assume anyone hating on a sexy cosplayer who has a good cosplay is a jelly fattychan

>>9491292
I'm specifically talking about /cgl/ here i should've specified that. Obviously there's some exceptions to everything but honestly, some lolitas talk like they INVENTED lolita when they're some ugly bignosed white chick that would get ignored if they didn't organize their own photoshoots.

if you don't fit that description then i don't mean you, simple as that.

I think most 4channers are cringey edgelords and gulls aren't an exception

Unpopular opinion: theme in outfits doesn't matter, unless it's OTT or a really fancy event. Maybe it's just a cgl thing but I'm tired of seeing "OMG she's wearing a candy purse but the print she's wearing doesn't have any candy!". It shouldn't matter unless it clashes in color or is something like gothic jewelry with a sugary sweet print.

>>9491387
I agree 100%. I remember seeing anons go all in on some girl's bag for not matching, when you couldn't even see the damn thing aside from the side of it. I think this mentality is so prevalent because so many people here are the "if it's not OTT it's boring" type of lolitas.

>>9491360
Accurate

>>9491387
I think there's a line somewhere in there. For instance, if your bag is candy, but your dress has no candy on it and only matches in color, it's fine as long as the dress doesn't have a print. However, if your bag is candy, but your dress is a print like Antoinette Fluer, nothing will save you no matter how well the colors match.

>>9491139
I think they thought you meant politically conservative but whatever.

Yeah, I see a lot off comm members get excited about Drag Race references and music, but I don't know. Women getting all into gay male culture (usually through being fujos) is something that tends to grind my gears. But a lot of the girls I know who do seem to be bi (but in a straight relationship) so I doubt they're completely unaware of the real issues. I can't speak for everyone. Just to clarify again, this tends to bother me, so I would've agreed with you otherwise.

>>9491282
gym memberships can be expensive, but that really only affects guys who want to be buff. Losing weight is cheap, but building muscle can be expensive

>>9490984
Yeah, she just looks like a dude because of her harsh manly features. She'd suit boystyle clothes way better but y'know she'll never give up sweet

>>9491645
I disagree, I don't think she'd look good in boystyle. She's all right in sweet.

>>9491670
How does she look alright in sweet? Apparently it's an unpopular opinion to say she just looks god awful. Just because she can coord pink-on-pink doesn't mean it looks good on her.

My unpopular opinion: yes, you can age out of fashion and cosplay. Maybe not if you take good care of yourself, but there is something embarrassing about a visibly middle aged woman in a giant pink blimp like Lor or Queenie cosplay shoving her middle aged features into a costume meant for a 14 year old character.

With cosplay it's doubly baffling because most series do have older characters. If you're nearing 40, why not stick with Sailor Pluto or Queen Serenity or even Neo Queen Serenity? A visibly old person trying to pass as 15 is sad regardless of whether it's egl, cosplay or regular clothes.

As for Lor, why not aristocrat style?

Have some self awareness and dress to suit your features. Why play up and emphasize your worst features just because you like something? It's like a fat chick in horizontal stripes.

>>9491856
lolita is made for adults tho. and sweet looks ridiculous on anyone any age, so all the more respect to people who wear it.

>>9491856
... Because most people don't wear lolita as some sort of beauty contest, they wear it because it makes them happy and don't care if strangers think it's ugly?

>>9491858
This. I find these types of posts hilarious since 20 year old women look fucking ridiculous in sweet to most people too.

>>9491856
> but there is something embarrassing about a visibly middle aged woman

Lor is twenty seven years old. That is so far from middle aged, have you been brainwashed by loli anime? Do you visit the farm too often? Lor is younger than Misako.

If she doesn't like aristocrat why should she have to wear it?

>>9489884

>>9491867
she looks older than 27, m8

>>9491904
Well that is a you problem then, because that is what she says her age is. Unless she is secretly in her 40s, she isn't middle aged.

>>9491525
Not if you don't know what you're doing. For some of the larger people, a gun membership is a great way to get started because you could get a personal trainer.

Literally fat people need to be trained on how to not live like shit

>>9491867
Bullshit. Unless she spends her day on the surface of the sun and doesn't drink water ever, no way. I moved here when I was 24 and she looked to be at *best* in her late thirties then. That was four years ago.

Holy shit if she isn't lying then she needs to drop the burando and invest in some industrial strength skin products and actually see a dermatologist because *damn.*

Let this be a warning to all: don't end up like Lor, take care of your skin. No burando in the world can make up for having elephant skin.

>>9491864
I wrote that post but I agree, however, it never stopped any of the sweet and OTT lolitas from whining endlessly about ~Normies~ though.

>>9491917
She doesn't have sun damage and Lor is thin so it isn't like she has a terrible diet of nothing but junk food, so obviously shes drinking water in some way. She just has very strong features.

>>9491917
Do you guys not realise that some people are just kinda ugly? I went to high school with some girls that looked unfortunately middle aged. Honestly it's better to look weird or ugly in interesting clothes than to just look ugly in normie clothes. Hell, even I feel like shit when I wear normal clothes because in them I'm just ugly, but in lolita I visibly don't care.

>>9491933
I don't know, the ott sweet coords just seem to emphasize how old and haggard she looks. The contrast just calls attention to it.

While it is her choice to look like that, it being her choice doesn't negate the fact that she looks awful. A fat chick can make the choice to burst all the seams on an IW dress with her fat rolls, it being her choice doesn't negate that she looks like a bag of raw cookie dough fighting against some elastics.

Same with Lor. She looks old and she made the choice to get into a bright pink OTT style that revolves around youth. She can like it all she wants, it still looks funny to regular people at best and tragic at worst, like a full grown retarded man with a Sonic the Hedgedog ensemble.

>>9491856
>How does she look alright in sweet? Apparently it's an unpopular opinion to say she just looks god awful. Just because she can coord pink-on-pink doesn't mean it looks good on her.
Lolita doesn't look good on most people, most people aren't super pretty.

>My unpopular opinion: yes, you can age out of fashion and cosplay. Maybe not if you take good care of yourself, but there is something embarrassing about a visibly middle aged woman in a giant pink blimp like Lor or Queenie cosplay shoving her middle aged features into a costume meant for a 14 year old character.
As said before, she is in her 20's. Some people have features that make them look older, there is nothing they can do about it.

>With cosplay it's doubly baffling because most series do have older characters. If you're nearing 40, why not stick with Sailor Pluto or Queen Serenity or even Neo Queen Serenity? A visibly old person trying to pass as 15 is sad regardless of whether it's egl, cosplay or regular clothes.
People like cosplaying characters they like. Some people actually do it just for fun.

>As for Lor, why not aristocrat style?
Maybe she doesn't like aristocrat, it's her money and she can buy and wear what she likes.

>Have some self awareness and dress to suit your features. Why play up and emphasize your worst features just because you like something? It's like a fat chick in horizontal stripes.
I know this is hard to believe but some people wear things for themselves. Not everyone in lolita is worried about looking pretty and perfect for others. Lor doesn't care what others think and wears what makes her happy. She doesn't live to please others.


I don't see why you care so much, she is hurting you by wearing what she likes.

>>9491917
She does have bags under eyes but that can be genetic and all the self-care won't do shit. Her skin doesn't look bad besides the eye bags. She has strong features which can make someone look older than they are. Nothing she can do about it.

>>9491961
>she is
she is not

>>9491923
>Lor is thin so it isn't like she has a terrible diet of nothing but junk food
Being thin doesn't mean you eat well. Plenty of thin people eat like shit.

Lolitas are much more bitchy than cosplayers and I wish cosplay was more popular on this board than lolita is.

>>9491968
wtf are you talking about? the majority of the threads on /cgl/ are always cosplay.

and the idea that we're worse than cosplayers is laughable

>>9491963
Does Lor have a history of self posting or is this just someone who gets really triggered over the sight of people calling her idol ugly?

>>9491961
Holy crap, calm down. Go outside and walk it off.**
**just make sure to put on some sunscreen first, you don't want to develop "strong features."

>>9491972
... This is an opinion thread, btw.
Keep telling yourself that I guess.

If you discount the "alpha" guys from /fit/ and /r9k/, guys on this board seem to cause way less drama and get along with people better than a lot of the girls. Every time I've met people from here at cons, it's been mostly guys, and they all seem to get along just fine.

>>9491973
No one is saying anything about calling her ugly, they are saying it isn't the end of the world if someone without delicate ~kawaii features wears sweet lolita, and dismissing the ridiculous claim that she's somehow a middle aged woman.

It's known in Japan that lolita is a fashion for ugly and chubby girls, but everyone here seems to only want model pretty girls in the fashion. Normies will never accept you, deal with it.

>>9491973
The whole "lor is ugly" thing is getting old and annoying. We get it, she isn't young and kawaii looking. Move on already.

>>9491982
>It's known in Japan that lolita is a fashion for ugly and chubby girls, but everyone here seems to only want model pretty girls in the fashion.
This!
Look at the average Japanese lolita without the shoop, they have some pretty busted and sometimes old looking faces. Most pretty and young fashionable Japanese girls don't wear lolita.

>>9491982
>everyone here seems to only want model pretty girls in the fashion.

Wow, clean skin and a healthy weight are now "model pretty"?

Fuck yeah ladies, turns out we've been at Giselle Bundchen levels this whole time! Where do I get my awesome paycheck and NFL star husbando?

>>9491985
Aren't you getting tired of the samefagging yet, anon?

>>9491993
Lor has clean skin and is a healthy weight.

>>9491995
The typical old "someone else doesn't agree with me, so they must be samefagging!". It's not impossible for more than one person to disagree with you.

You must be really insecure or something if you want people so badly to agree with you about lor.

>>9492002
nayrt but please read your post again and realize that this is such a stupid thing to argue about. lor is ugly, it's obvious that she's ugly, it's a popular opinion that she's ugly, you sperging isn't going to change that.

>>9492006
And no one said anything about Lor being ugly! For reference my posts are >>9491996, >>9491982, >>9491923, >>9491910, >>9491867 so there is atleast one other person who is tired of sperging about her looks.

We get it, she doesn't have delicate features. It isn't the end of the world if she continues to wear sweet, she doesn't have to wear a style that she doesn't like. The whole discussion was that Lor was too old to wear sweet, and I pointed out that she isn't old.

>>9490595
I don't see how US commas aren't big enough? The lolita events I've been to in LA had 60, 70, 80 people there. That's bigger than many japanese brand events

I think lolita looks kinda stupid

>>9491287
Not really, teaparties are just more wearable and comfortable.

>>9491280
>>9491282
Being fat shows a character flaw, whether people want to admit it or not you can never be the best version of yourself when you're fat. I've noticed from years of working in customer service/retail that fat people are the easiest to upsell to, the most likely to buy things they're vocally iffy about, and will almost always respond to a suggestive sell.

>>9491978
Just because it's an opinion thread doesn't mean you're not factually incorrect. Did you bother looking at the catalog before acting like you knew what you were talking about? Cosplay threads are in the majority, just take a look.

>>9492362
I agree with your conclusion, but the activity in those threads would be a better measure.

>>9492013
18 is too old to wear sweet.

Unpopular opinion: Lolita isn't more popular not because it's hard to get into, but because it's more openly elitist and those who participate it are quite bitchy.

>>9492387
Unpopular opinion: I don't really see the so-called elitism in lolita as that much of a problem. Keeps out the weak. Also I'm glad that lolita isn't more popular than it is.

>>9488498

Completely spot on.

>>9491311
The school bag is what the girls in Sailor Moon used in the manga, it's pretty iconic for shoujo shit from that era and certainly for Usagi. I agree they're ugg though.

>>9491856
>>9491670
>>other posts itt

>"these bitches must be mad vendetta, she can't be that bad"
>looks up Lor

>>9492387
Unpopular opinion: all people are bitchy and elitist and lolita isn't an exception. Seriously, there are so many morons out there, do you think they don't find their way into lolita? Tumblr has made a chunk of potential people getting into lolita hold up unrealistic standards for acceptable beahaviour. Everyone needs attention right now but only the good one. Lolitas should be everyone's friends, accepting of everything including things simply not lolita and on the top of eveything praise those people. I'm not here to support teenage tantrums and scroll a sea of theifted totally lolita coords, I'm here for the actual lolita fashion. Not to meantion some people actually in this fashion can't handle they have less of something and then blame elitism. How are the usual people screaming elitism, bullying and what not going to survive in the world?

>>9492478
>How are the usual people screaming elitism, bullying and what not going to survive in the world?

I honestly think they don't. Ever notice how in Lolita threads people inevitably bring up their ~social anxiety~ or hatred for ~Normies~ or ~model pretty~ or whatnot?

>>9492477
You just don't get it anon she's just not model pretty she's pretty because she's different

>>9491979
if you discount the cunts on cgl everyone is really sweet compared to other boards

>>9488518
This is beautiful oh my goodness.
Sick to death of cookie cutter coords! Things like this where you can see their personal taste make me so happy.

>>9492373
8 is too old to wear sweet. So what? People should wear what they like.

>>9492373
Not that anon but if 18 is too old to wear sweet then who the fuck is supposed to wear it if lolita dresses are made for young adults?
16-17 year olds so you can only wear sweet for a grand total of two years of your life (discounting the literal kids) before you're deemed "not cute enough"?

>>9488518
>>9492592
sorry but this looks ita, even for Moitie.
not to mention wearing dreads if you're white or even just light-skinned will get you tons of screeching about "cultural appropriation"

>>9493101
Ita means the coord is so ugly it hurts your eyes

>>9493101
>>9493285
Lol/ita/ and itai, which means pain/it hurts

>>9492506
you know what I mean. Out of the people who actually browse here because it's a hobby, not because they want to bait "sjw"s or try to get a gf

>>9492592
Yes, that's why I like it so much! To me wearing wigs feels like changing yourself to fit a mold of the character of a lolita rather than wearing a fashion, whereas with the pic I chose it just seems like a girl enjoying her clothes and being herself

>>9493101
Its not the best coord ever but she looks good and I think it proved my point enough. As for the cultural appropriation thing, it really doesn't bother me at all but I'd rather not start up that argument on here haha

I hate prints that are ocean/seashell/mermaid themed with a passion. They always look extremely childish and tacky to me. I guess because it's a commonly used theme in general commercial goods, beachwear, and little girls clothing. It doesn't help that sea themed prints are often paired with obnoxious shit like sceptres and crowns. Not a huge fan of jellyfish either but at least jellyfish are elegant.

>>9493093
Teenagers also can't afford new brand dresses unless they work their butts off.

>>9493728
I adore ocean themed coords but hate jellyfish, they are the cockroaches of the ocean and they hurt

>>9493399
Exactly! It feels a lot more costumey to me when you see someone has bent their usual aesthetic entirely to fit to Lolita

Unpopular opinion: Her outfits are amazing but I find Connie's pics hard to look at because of how much PS/Facetune/whatever she uses. I met her at an event once and she really looks nothing like her pics. She's also either shooping herself way thinner recently or she lost weight since she moved to Japan, and it's making her look ill.

>>9493093
Ideally no one.

Unpopular opinion: y'all need to relax. Most of the coords posted as "ita" or "cringe" these days are either nitpicks, vendettas, or pictures of people whose cognitive abilities are obviously not firing on all cylinders. I used to be a bitchy nitpicker and trust me, relaxing those bunches in your knickers is better for you than you'd believe.

>>9491297
What would you say is a style that works well for ugly girls?

I'm not just talking about 'witch noses' or acne, but girls whose faces are just... mediocre looking. Even if everyone is beautiful, few of us are very marketable. Is there a style out there that can complement "eh" features?

>>9493839
Mediocre looking and 'eh' features are not the same as ugly. Do you have a picture to illustrate what you mean?

>>9493842
Not on hand. It's like, everybody knows someone with a bit of a weird smile or a weak chin. You know the divot between Lor's cheekbone and her lower cheek? I have one of those. 顔が小さい girls don't. The state of not being pretty is a kind of grey area between an ~ideal lolita~ and someone you're repulsed by. Pixyteri is another example. She's not pretty, sure, but not really jarring in any way. What would work on someone like that?

Sorry if this is incoherent, I'm tipsy.

>>9493854
whoah you have low standards if you think pixyteri isn't repulsive. but honestly, i think average girls look great in lolita because they're being elevated by their style. like, round faced girls with nondescript features can look really cute. people like lor with prominent features would suit aristo or ouji better.

>>9493855
I'm talking about appearance alone. The noteworthy thing about pixy is her behavior, you know? If she wasn't at that level and you saw her on the street she'd look like a random lady on her way to the office.

>>9493811
>t. someone who is salty that they don't look good in sweet

>>9493856
Her manface is kinda noteworthy too.

People in their late 20s and 30s can post on /cgl/

Brought to you by wrinkly old unwanted cakescum

I think we should leave ita's alone and stop expecting people to follow the rules. There was a time we needed the rules to keep lolita the way it is supposed to be, but at this point there are a ton of brands who aren't suddenly going to stop making petticoats and blouses just because ita's don't wear them.

>>9493728
Dishonor on you, dishonor on your cow

>>9494340
...the concern was never about whether or not brands were going to keep making blouses. what exactly is your point? if someone isn't wearing a blouse and they look bad doing it then they're likely going to be told to wear a blouse. you'd be amazed how many new lolitas do absolutely no fucking research about the fashion. without telling them what's up they'll just keep looking like shit.

>>9494348
The concern was about teaching new people what lolita is, to make sure wearing any frilly dress doesn't automatically mean lolita. But now it's so well established we don't need to concern ourselves with that anymore.

>>9493897
>>9494346
bless both of you, i needed those laughs

(or just you, if it was the same person, i'm not the NSA)

>>9488518
I disagree, I think they ruin what would otherwise have been a nice outfit. Those look nasty.

OT: where are the shoes from? Are those BPN?

>>9493807
Kind of agree, but she looks the same in her pics as she does in paid brand ads so maybe it's to keep a consistent image when her model shoots are going to be photoshopped anyway?

>>9494340
I'm not concerned about itas changing the aesthetic, I'm just embarrassed to be seen with them at meets. It's hard enough convincing normies we're not in costumes (which can sometimes get you refused entry to restaurants or other nice places) when there are itas literally wearing tacky costumes.

>>9494505
This ^

>>9494505
I feel that way about girls who only wear lolita to meets and cons tough. There is one other lolita in my city and people sometimes gossip about her to me, because they find it so weird she basically goes through an extreme make-over before going to a meet. She looks great but I wonder how she explains to people that it's her clothing style and not a costume.

>>9494520
I don't know how small your city is, but in mine I rarely/never see the same people twice when I go out, and I can count the number of times I've randomly bumped into people I know in the city centre on one hand. Most of the people you meet won't know she normally dresses differently and be using that to judge whether it's a costume or not, they'll be judging based on whether it looks like real (albeit fancy/weird) clothes or crappy costumey shit. As long as someone doesn't look ita it's going to have negligible impact on how your comm is received compared to someone using costume-store accessories, shiny wigs or stripy socks, which would set off red flags even to normies.

>>9494505
>iktf
So many itas in my comm pretty much wear tacky princess costumes to meetups ("the tiara makes it hime rorita kei UwU") and they're also the snobbiest, loudest bitches when it comes to looking down on 'normies'. It's so embarrassing to be seen and associated with them and as soon as I can start attending private meets I will.

>>9494540
This.
>mfw huge ass city
>how the fuck do people bump into each other more than once in their lifetimes
>how the fuck does anyone even know, much less remember who you are

>>9494547
Hime lolita can use tiaras though (and is supposed to look princess-y, hence the name) and even Baby produces them, among others
Cheap accessories/dresses are a big no though

>>9494558
They're not good hime lolitas, believe me.

>>9494540
It's not a small city but we know a lot of the same people because we went to the same highschool, tough she's way younger than me. When she posts a coord on fb people comment stuff like "amazing, I don't recognise you!" (she also wears a natural-looking wig with lolita). Some people have asked me why I wear it so often instead of just to "those costumed teas", others why she only wears it to events if it's really a clothing style. I don't know why because I don't really talk with her (because of age difference). Sometimes I think they're trying to bait me into saying something bad about her or it feels like they are putting me on trial to "proof" it is a style.

>>9494520
I feel compelled to "not all meetlitas" this sentiment every time it comes up. My comm has exactly one person who wears lolita for funzies; the rest of us wear it basically just to see each other (albeit for sometimes super informal stuff like lunch or a movie; we're pretty much all friends) a couple times a month, and none of us fits the tacky ita description. We just all have jobs we can't/won't wear lolita to, and small enough closets that it's never taken over our lives.

It's basically like if we all had a bunch of pretty cocktail dresses and enjoyed dressing up in them when possible despite them not being realistic for our daily lives.

>>9494577
>sometimes super informal stuff like lunch or a movie
That's fine though. Anon is probably referring to girls who plan coords months in advance specifically for meetups, as OTT and fancy (and unintentionally tacky) as possible; they don't have wardrobes to work with, they have individual coords that they wear once maybe twice, like costumes; girls who wear the style to meet up with other lolitas on their time off are entirely different.

>>9494577
But then someone else comes along who wears a cocktail dress every day and she has to try to convince people that cocktail dresses are her normal clothes. Maybe it would be different if that meetlita as you call it normally wore dresses or wigs but she literally has a complete make-over when she goes to a meet-up. She doesn't look ita but it's an extreme style. It doesn't bother me what people think of me but it's still an awkward conversation to have, especially with people who don't like her.

>>9494520
>>9494598
I feel like meetlitas are completely different from conlitas. Conlitas treat it as a costume to go to a con. Meetlitas treat it as a fashion to go do things like movies, museums, cafes. New lolitas especially don't have a wardrobe to work with, even if theyve been in it for a year.

Personally I have an ok sized wardrobe but i totally plan some coords months ahead if its a themed meet or ILD or Halloween. Also shipping for a lot of items takes 2weeks to a month so you kinda end up in the pattern of planning some coords quite a long way ahead. It's not the same as planning a costume, because after I get those dresses/other items I rewear them in different ways.

>>9494612
Yeah I agree, especially if you don't have a big wardrobe you need to plan a coord because otherwise you don't have enough things to wear. That being said, I can't relate to people who wait for a meet to wear lolita. I just wear it whenever I can.

My unpopular opinion is that I'm not a big fan of the way most constructive criticism seems to suggest that there is one "right" way to coordinate a dress.

Other times critique is sooo dull "Buy this other thing"
In a fashion where almost everything is imported, limited release, or one size.

>>9494605
This isn't much different to people who wear vintage style everyday vs people who'll only wear it for swing dancing and vintage weekends though, or people who only wear goth to clubs. You get varying levels of participation in every subculture and one doesn't invalidate the other.

>>9494632
>Other times critique is sooo dull "Buy this other thing"
>In a fashion where almost everything is imported, limited release, or one size.
I don't have a problem with this but I agree with you that some concrit is less about improving an original coord and more about coordinating something an entirely different way (like with a different colour scheme entirely). I'm not talking about when a girl's wearing lime green shoes with a pastel pink dress, I mean like when a dress could be coorded with, say, black, white, red or navy depending on aesthetic preference and a girl gets crit on her coord with white pieces on CoF suggesting she should coord it with navy instead. Like, all of those options work and wouldn't be ita, the difference between them is personal preference if anything. It's like people see a dress as being designed for one perfect coord rather than something you will try to wear in a few different ways.

>>9494635
>one doesn't invalidate the other.
Nobody has said it makes her less lolita, just that it's awkward to explain to people that someone wearing OTT + a wig for meets and jeans the rest of time time is wearing the same clothing style as you and neither is a costume.

>>9494635
>one doesn't invalidate the other.
Nobody said it makes her less lolita, just that it's awkward to explain to people that someone wearing OTT + a wig for meets, and jeans the rest of time time is indeed wearing the same clothing style as you and it's not a costume.

>>9494680
It's not that hard tho, you simply say "they are wearing the same fashion, they just wear it less" there's no more explanation needed.

>>9494716
Did you not read the thread

I think you should change yourself and your hobbies to fit the lolita aesthetic, even though doing so is making me depressed.

idk if this is unpopular or not, but I'm always irritated by the people who suggest totally non-lolita themes when people are discussing print ideas. There's always someone like "I want a molecular chemistry print!!! How cute would that be?? :^)" and it always annoys the fuck out of me.

Also semi related, how the fuck has there still not been a good bee/honey themed print yet? No, honeycake does not count.

>>9494729
Maybe it fits better in the things that make you unreasonably salty thread.. but desu I don't think it's unreasonable and I always imagine it's a conlita saying that kind of stuff.

>>9494725
Is this bait?
Please don't do that to yourself anon, it's ok to like a lot of things

Not sure how unpopular this is based on anons on here but

I hate menhera, I hate most larme, I hate mahou kei and I hate modern, edgy jgoth. Granted, I didn't like a lot of older Harajuku fashions like decora either, but I still feel saddened by the homogeneous and more conformist direction jfash is going in.

I complain that I never see western alt fash around these days, even though I don't actually like much that passes for alt fashion online any more. I get depressed every time I go into an alt shop and see how desperate the owners are to make a sale for their struggling business...I sometimes feel like buying something out of pity or a hopeless urge to keep the scene alive but most western goth brands' quality is so bad that there's never anything I'm willing to wear that isn't just jacked-up shit off Aliexpress. I'm not even comparing to Japanese brand quality, I'm comparing to F21 and Primark...the clothes are 5-10x the price but they look like total shit, to the point where I think even normies would think you had no self-respect if you wore them as an adult.

I feel like a bitter old hag and I'm in my early 20s.

>>9494753
It's not bait. I guess I'm not talking about being a lifestyler so much as hobbies that are just flat-out incompatible with lolita. I used to weight train and want to get back into it but don't because I know a muscular frame would look bad with my coords. I had/have a lot of hobbies that were messy or dirty, and although I never really intended to give them up completely, I ended up not bothering with them any more because I have limited free time and couldn't do them while wearing lolita. I always wanted to dye my hair but don't because it wouldn't match my wardrobe and I have super long, thick hair that doesn't fit into a wig cap. I'm 99% sure I'm trans and struggle with really intense body dysphoria on a regular basis but I've literally never told anybody because I know people would assume I'm just a fujoshi transtrender unless I gave up lolita, and it's not worth giving up the only hobby I'm really invested in when I won't pass as a guy even if I quit. That sort of thing.

>>9494729
>tfw you've suggested print kinda ideas similar to that in the past, but in a "just for fun" way

>>9494766
t. angry trad goth??

>>9494821
Not old enough to be a trad goth and not enough of a gothic lifestyler, I rarely wear black these days and the only western goth items regularly buy are shoes. Ironically the 40-50 trad goths in my area look down on lolita a lot.

>>9494824
*40-50-year-old, there obviously aren't fifty trad goths around.

>>9494826
>small legion of trad goths starting indie fashion lines in protest
Yes please

>>9494831
I wish. I feel like I missed out, since getting into lolita has really opened my eyes as to how worth it it is to pay for good-quality clothes made by small independent brands, but with so many western goth brands it feels like the quality really isn't there, because they're marketed at cheap teens or goths who are used to thrifting everything and don't expect to pay much for clothes. If there was a western brand on a par with Moitie or Antique Beast even I would throw money at them, honestly. I know goth isn't brand-focussed here but you'd think there'd be something...maybe it's all on etsy now? But when it's a small etsy maker and not a known and trusted brand I don't feel confident dropping big money.

>>9494598
>>9494605
>>9494612
>>9494617
>>9494635
>>9494680
"not all meetlitas" poster here, i definitely see/agree with all these points at once! I feel like it comes down to the same maxim that applies to everything about lolita: there may or may not be one right way to do it, but there's definitely a wrong way. I don't think anyone in my comm is doing it the wrong way despite really only wearing it for meets, but I definitely know the type of con-ita we're talking about. I'm just glad we don't conflate them!

>>9494766
unrelated, but: I hang out in a lot of communist/socialist spaces and seeing "fash" used to describe fashion instead of fascism will never not make me do a double take.

>>9494831
um yes

>>9494949
>unrelated, but: I hang out in a lot of communist/socialist spaces and seeing "fash" used to describe fashion instead of fascism will never not make me do a double take.
Oh man, this hadn't actually occurred to me. I did the opposite and did a double-take up until recently at the use of alt-whatever as a substitute for far right.

unpopular opinion: there should be less lolita shit on this board and more cosplay

>>9495000
That's easy to fix. Start more cosplay threads.

>>9494769
Anon, you could always train with low weight and high reps. Lolita covers a lot of you either way.

And if you want to dye your hair, or transition, or... dirt bike? I don't think you should let a single hobby hold you back just because of what you've invested. Lolita will still be there when you feel like coming back to it. The free time you have should be spent on things that improve your quality of life, not things you feel you should be doing.

Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but I saw a thread filled with people complaining about how brands don't cater to larger sizes. "Even though they know there's a lot of bigger girls who want to wear their stuff."
My opinion: i think it's one thing to ask JetJ to be more tit friendly, but to DEMAND AP to think of their fat customers is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. I don't mind larger people in the fashion, but don't expect Japan to cater to your big mac guzzling asses

>>9495551
Lolita is already really big. Nearly all brands have fully shirred skirts. I'm an average sized European girl and some non-shirred AP and JM is too big for me.

Don't get me wrong I still spend a lot of time here, but cgl is now mostly for failed lolitas and wannabes. It's easy to tell from all the salt towards certain things, newfag/vendetta begin thrown around constantly, and all the larping going on. Not to mention the horrible advice and really shallow knowledge of lolita, brands, and their history. Summer makes it worse, but it's year round anyway. Not really an opinion but not really provable either so close enough.

>>9491360
Agree 100%

I really miss lolita dresses actually having a waist. I like sack dresses but I wish dresses had 3 different cuts: sack, natural waist, and empire waist. Though I understand it'd be very cost ineffective to make all 3 along with their respective colorways.

>>9495950
I guess it depends on the style you prefer, natural waist cuts are definitely still a thing in classic and gothic brands. The lack of variety does suck though, I'll give you that.

Calling e-famous people "down-to-earth" is pretty stupid. Not only is the phrase itself such a buzzword that it kinda just means "doesn't use a fake voice" by now, it's a little naive to make that kind of judgement about someone based on their online persona. Like, maybe Lor is great, or maybe she's the worst. I don't think any of you actually know.

sage for disproportionate bitching

>>9495969
>Like, maybe Lor is great, or maybe she's the worst. I don't think any of you actually know.
...E-famous lolitas have both good and very close friends too, anon.
It's also possible and easy to pick up on someone's personality and thought patterns as soon as you meet them, including viewing them in videos. It all depends on your level of perception and how they handle and present themselves.

>>9488837
I liked the WAYWT threads. Then moot changed the rules and they died. I got a lot of good critique there and learned how to dress better. If only they could be like the draw threads. Haters with no critique are stamped out pretty quickly.
Maybe we could try it out? A lot of girls post on the discord, but I hardly see critique there.

>>9488917
That's the thing though. Boob loaf means it doesn't fit fine. If it's designed for a flat girl, it's designed for a flat girl.

My unpopular opinion is that fat girls usually look bad in brand dresses because of bad fit. And losing weight is mostly diet not exercise so the 'gym is expensive' excuse is dumb.

I'm always quiet about it around my friends because they all think otherwise, but I harshly judge people who buy cosplays.
I don't really care if its for a halloween party or something but I never saw the point in wearing a costume to a convention if you didn't make it yourself.
Even more awkward when I see a costume I really admire and compliment the person on it and they say they just bought it off the internet.

I don't consider myself elitist either? I mean I get that sometimes its easier to buy pieces of a costume than make them, but to just buy an entire costume seems to cheapen the experience.

>>9493807
I feel like she has a lot of self-image problems because of the shooping, massive amounts of makeup she cakes on, her taking a million photos and still not satisfied, and always negging herself in comments

>>9488437
You cracked it OP. Most of /cgl/ lolitas are itas. Half the outfit advice I see here is totally retarded. And Jesus, those Nitpick threads.

>>9496071
A discord critique channel might be a good idea!

>>9495950
Doesn't btssb normally make 3 different cuts?

>>9496179
I feel this too, a huge part of the fun of cosplaying is making the costume for me. Showing off and wearing it is fun because it's my work and I'm proud or it. I feel like just buying one would suck all the fun out.

>>9496179
>>9496351
i feel the EXACT SAME WAY.
i'd never say it to anyone's face, but at this point you're just dressing up, its not a cosplay. (even though that makes no sense terminology-wise)

>>9488437
>>9496194
I would take it a step further even and guess that over 1/2 of the most vocal people dishing out all this critique here do not even wear the fashion at all. They ended up here because they know that dishing out concrit with no outfit posts of their own on CoF isn't going to fly when people notice so they finally just landed here, where they can blab all day with nothing at all to back it up.

Sneakers with lolita always looks bad.

>>9496588
No shit anon, everyone except ita pigs know that.

>>9496351
I dunno, I figure it's like Halloween. Some people like making their costume, but I've never heard of someone saying that buying their Halloween costume at a store sucked the fun out of Halloween.

I know this isn't unpopular here, but I'm really tired of so many lolitas being SJWs. I really wish I could just meet some normal chill people in this fashion who don't unperson you for saying islam isn't really very nice to women and other obvious facts. I seriously don't know many lolitas like that at all.

>>9496758
You probably get shunned because you sound kind of retarded. Most organized religions are absolute garbage about women, you're not a zomg lul revolutionary rebel for bringing one up with your goddamn frilly fashion squad.

>>9496760
I'm not aware of any other organized religions that regularly throw acid at women and stone them to death for not wanting to marry a stranger three times their age. This is exactly what I'm talking about, where did I say I was shunned? Sjws just flip out as soon and make tons of assumptions as soon as they hear something they don't like. They're just not really pleasant people.

>>9496766
Don't worry, that anon probably started wearing a hijab because they're ~tolerant~

>>9496760
>Most organized religions are absolute garbage about women
not at all, lel. What religion is more misogynistic than islam?

>>9496775
You do realise things like head coverings aren't limited to Islam, right? Hell, Queens of England were still covering their hair until Elizabeth I, Catholics wore veils to mass until the 70s, and some sects of Christianity and Judaism still cover their hair.

Read a book. Every religion has its nut cases and extremists. Throwing acid in people's faces? Yeah, try being drawn and quartered or having hot iron tongs rip out your breasts. Catholics had the Inquisition, Judaism has the hardcore Zionists, and even atheism became dangerous under the hands of Stalin.

It's not being an SJW, it's knowing basic western history. The history of mankind is riddled with violent idiots using belief to act out their violence- be it religion, nationalism, idealism, whatever. Fucked up people find ways to act fucked up and get other people to join them in being fucked up. Get off 4chan and read a damn book.

>>9496793
>were
>had
>history

>>9496799
There are still sects of Judaism and Christianity both that demand women cover their hair. And there are Christians calling for the ethnic cleansing of Muslims, and there are atheists saying it is the job of the West to invade Muslim countries to "drag them kicking and screaming out of the stone ages."

Come on, now. Illiteracy and ignorance are not very kawaii, hillbilly-chan. I know EGL seems to appeal to fat trailer trash types, but books do exist outside of border prints.

>>9496766
So which one is you?

>>9496766
That's not a religion doing that it's a society cultivated by decades of tyrannical regimes backed by western governments for the sake of having access to that sweet, sweet oil. Seriously like other anon said, read a fucking book.

>>9496804
I'm sure you'd agree that a few on the extreme side aren't representative of those groups, much like Islamic terrorists aren't representative of Islam as a whole. The misogynistic attitude towards women, however, is much more prevalent.

I'll leave the personal attacks to you.

>>9496813
Again, that's a societal issue. The people in power just use Islam as a tool to subjugate and control, much the same way Christianity has been used. The key difference is that the west hasn't been regularly bombed to shit (fear tends to make you more susceptible to control, paranoia, and a desire to retaliate), and we have access to more resources ranging from food to education. It's a lot more nuanced than "hurr durr religion".

Anyway to keep it on topic, hijabi look hideous in lolita no matter how carefully styled, with very few exceptions.

Also bittersweet is not a fucking thing.

>>9496818
Hijabi lolita don't bother me, they looks better than most itas in shitty shiny wigs. But I agree so much on bittersweet. It's just sweet with a darker palette ffs

>>9496818

I've never seen a hijabi lolita actually style their hijab in a voluminous way though. It's like the extent of them trying is plop a pink headscarf on top of a pastel coord, head eating headbow and good to go. Hijabi lolita could look innovative, but it doesn't.

That being said the idea of trying to conform to conservative Muslim ideals while wearing lolita in the first place is so fraught with contradictions, sort of like an Amish girl trying to wear lolita. So eh.

>>9496766
Hindus, for a start, since acid attacks are a cultural thing from India's honor/shame culture and not just part of the Muslim community there.

>>9496953
As a Hindu, I am offen- Wait, no, you're completely right. Acid attacks are a product of our misogynistic shame culture, and even though only a small subset of Hindus do it, it's still horrible and disgusting and needs to be stamped out. I'm sure most people with half a brain feel that way about the evil things in their religion too.

But all of this shit is beside the main point of this conversation: Hijabi lolitas often look awkward. They should style their hijabs in more interesting and voluminous ways if they want to look better in Lolita.

>>9496760
Nailed it.

>>9496766
A large portion of the communities that preform FGM are Christian. There are also Christian communities that still force women to marry their rapists. Not to mention, right here in the US, we still have Christian radicals who've done fatal attacks on LGBT people and women's health clinics, as well as sympathizers who celebrate these attacks. Electroshock therapy for gays is also still legal, and practiced, in many US states. In fact, our vice president is a massive proponent of it. Another thing that's still legal in many states is marrying girls as young as 12, as long as you have their parents permission, regardless of your own age. America actually does have a disturbing child bride problem, where the most extreme of Christians marry off their underage daughters, sometimes to men in their 30's and 40's, and it's all totally legal. That's all just scratching the surface. Just because you've "never heard of" something doesn't mean it doesn't happen in. Maybe next time try simple research before forming such a strong opinion, you could have easily just Googled before posting and all this info and more would have been right there.

>>9496775
Anon said they're absolute garbage about women, not that they're worse than Islam about women. If you deny that, you're just ignorant, extremely stupid, or both.

JFC where to begin. I only made >>9496758
and >>9496766 and went to sleep.
Again, this is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about. I pick one random example and you dipshits flip the fuck out. It's not like I go around meets talking about how much Islam sucks and Muhammad is a pedo, it's that I'm tired of people constantly bringing up retarded SJW shit that everyone already agrees on and then throwing a hissy fit if you even slightly disagree.
I don't like any other religions either FWIW.
It's always the same excuses. I don't care if Christians were shitty during the crusades. How is that relevant? Are they still drawing and quartering people on a regular basis?
And "Christian head coverings" aren't the same as a burqa, you have to be a complete idiot or blind if you honestly believe that.
>>9497123
>Maybe next time try simple research before forming such a strong opinion

I used to be Christian and live in a fundie town and I've done a ton of reading on various cults like Quiverfull. I've also done tons of reading on Islam from a huuuge variety of sources. You guys just seem to be spewing the same typical talking points over and over. I'll keep doing my reading and I suggest you dig a little deeper yourself. I'm not really impressed with any of the arguments in this thread. You think I haven't heard all this shit a million times? I have a Tumblr too.

This SJWism hasn't affected any of the other people I know in other groups or hobbies, it's a pretty striking difference. I don't mean in the opinions being held, I mean in the way that people generally react. Which is what I was getting at in my original post.

I guess it was less popular of an opinion than I thought, lol

>>9497188
Also since it came up, I don't really mind hijab in lolita, I don't think it looks bad. Maybe not as good but I don't think it's bad. The only thing that annoys me is all the virtue signalling dick sucking whenever a girl wears hijabi lolita. Especially since on anon boards people seem to mostly talk about not liking it. I kind of don't believe people who fawn over it and post that one article everywhere actually care that much.

>>9497188
So, you choose to dismiss proven facts that don't support your opinion? Okay then.

>>9497197
>You should read a book anon
>Can't get through reading one post
Lol

Why don't hijabi lolitas wear the really fancy and beautifully beaded hijab I have seen women wear with other fancy clothes? That's what I want to know. I agree that wearing a plain one with a bow stuck on it looks bad, the hijab needs to be fancy like a bonnet when they cover that much head real estate.

The sjw retard-ism displayed so often here is usually restricted to online fighting, thankfully and doesn't occur at meets. It's off-topic here too.

And yes, forever fuck bittersweet. It's still not going to happen. Not then, not now, not ever.

>>9497188
>calls people retarded in the year of our lord 2017
I'm guessing there are a bunch of reasons you get shunned, sweetie. You sound like a delight to be around.

Google the following if you don't feel like picking up a book:
FLDS
The Lord's Resistance Army
Ashin Wirathu and Rohingya genocide
Renee Bergstrom

As an "sjw" myself, you need to pick up a fucking book and realise that all religion can be a tool of patriarchy to harm women and keep us subjugated through fear and violence. Your comm isn't shunning you because you're such a straight shooter. It's because you're ignorant as fuck.

>>9497233
>all religion can be a tool of patriarchy to harm women and keep us subjugated through fear and violence.

>>9497233
>the only reason someone might disagree with me is that they are uneducated
The height of arrogance.

>>9497233
>sweetie
>getting buttmad over someone using the word "retarded"
why are you on 4chan? pls either go back to tumblr or do us all a favor and actually kill yourself

>>9497233
Sigh. Again, I don't say this stuff to my comm, and I'm not shunned, I actually have a lot of lolita friends and otherwise enjoy participating in my comm.
OK, let's talk. Feel free to correct me if I get any of the following things wrong.
In Islam, the prophet Muhammad is the perfect man that all muslims should aspire to emulate. I don't think anyone disputes that.
Do you know where a lot of the anti-women shit comes from in the Quran? It's not from Muhammad, it's mostly from his later followers, in the hadiths.
Muhammad himself was actually pretty feminist for his time. His first wife, Khadija, was a successful businesswoman! Pretty stark contrast with countries like Saudi Arabia where women can't work. She was older than him, asked for his hand in marriage, and asked if he was fine with a woman who made her own money. He said yes.
It wasn't until after Khadija died that he began practicing polygamy. Most of his other wives were older women as well, with the notable exception of Aisha.
I'm sure everyone has heard the story about how decided to marry Aisha at 6 and consummate the relationship when she was 9. There is some dispute about the ages but most modern-day scholars agree it was around that range.
Muhammad, as far as I know, also had really progressive views on slavery for his time. It was a fact of life back then, and he treated his slaves comparatively very well.
Notice the phrase for his time coming up in all these?
Muhammad was progressive for his time, yet he is still today the perfect man all muslims should emulate. These things were progressive for their time. They don't have a place in 21st century society.
I didn't even get into how he was something of a warlord... Aisha eventually ended up becoming a commander herself (I think?) and wrote some hadiths, so she seemed to turn out ok, but again, perfect man we should emulate marrying a 9 year old isn't something we should have in the current day. (cont)

>>9497248
Jesus is Christianity's perfect man to emulate, but I know of no sources claiming he had sex with a nine year old, or had slaves. And generally speaking, Christianity has gotten over its crusade days.
FGM isn't in the Quran? Sure. But the other stuff I said is, and it's taken pretty seriously. You can argue about how it's culture or people in power for most of this stuff and you're probably right. Still doesn't make it very defensible when a lot of it is at the core of Islam. It's not very helpful in cases like the Rotherdam rape gangs either, where police refused to investigate a massive child sex ring because they were afraid of "racism" and "Islamophobia" thanks to virtue signalers like you.

>>9497188
>I used to be Christian and live in a fundie town and I've done a ton of reading on various cults like Quiverfull.

Clearly you've moved on from being raised in a culture that glorifies ignorance and demonizes every culture not immediately themselves.

Call yourself a rebel all you want, but I hope thinking Islam is barbaric gets you through your inevitable return to your own medieval and backwards society. Your upbringing shows and it's clear you've very much embraced a fundamentalist way of thinking and even justify it. In criticizing Islam you're actually just trying to feel better about yourself, "Sure I come from a people that use religion to justify paedophilia (CoLDS,) slavery, and inbreeding, but those Muslims are the real barbarians. That Muhermed just told 'em all to blow America up, not like my good lord Jesus Christ, who preached tolerance and kindness, which is why I think all those Muslim bastards are backwards animals."

Also, next time any of you wonder why international Lolita comms look down on American comms as being a hive of ignorant yokel landwhales, just remember this thread.

>"Virtue Signaling"
Some of you seriously need to get off 4chan, for fucks sakes.

>>9498158
lol calm down

>>9496891
>>9496972
>>9497229
Depending on the sect or whatever, they're not allowed to style the hijab in a voluminous way. The Muslims in my area derogatorily refer to the 'camel hump' as something for vain whores and local women are supposed to wear it very tightly wrapped around their heads, and the fabric has to be plain. It looks really bad with lolita because you need some volume around the head to balance out the skirt. I agree that it's a huge contradiction, and trying to wear lolita while conforming to those ideals of dress requires you to seek out loopholes which kind of goes against the spirit of the whole thing in the first place.

>>9498158
Are you trolling poorly, or just stupid? Serious question

>>9498169
>>9498316
samefag pls go

>>9498226
> I agree that it's a huge contradiction, and trying to wear lolita while conforming to those ideals of dress requires you to seek out loopholes which kind of goes against the spirit of the whole thing in the first place.

I don't like it visually and I don't trust people do do it. Whole ass one thing, don't half ass two things. People who can't even stick to what are supposedly suuuuuuper important religious rules can't be trusted. They say one thing but their actions show another.

You can be a good muslim or a good lolita, you can't be both.

>>9497248

Stupidity isn't very kawaii. How embarrassing for anon-chan! Maybe some anon-chants in this thread should pick up a book or a newspaper every now and then!

>>9499968
There have been more people arrested in connection to the Manchester bombing alone than all the people you managed to find on twitter and post here.

It's embarrassing that you would bother to waste your time making no point whatsoever and also manage to spectacularly shit up the thread like this.

>>9499963
holy shit calm down you raging autist
>>9500420
lmao

Here's a list of all the terrorist attacks that have begun JUST since Ramadan began (Friday):
5/26: 28 Coptic Christians were killed in Egypt
5/27: The Taliban killed another 15 in a suicide bombing in Afghanistan
5/28: 19 civilians slaughtered near university in Marawi as part of ISIS invasion of the Philippines
5/28: Suicide bomber in Baquba, Iraq kills 9
5/29: ISIS car bomb kills 13 in Baghdad

That's 84 people in less then a week you massive sped. Meanwhile you had to go back to the OKC bombing in fucking 1995 to make your moronic point.

So... Unpopular opinions, eh? I love Doc Martens with lolita. Not just punk, with any style. Gimme a sweet coord with pastel boots and bow clips, a classic look with florals, a gothic look with Darcie boots... I just love seeing them, and they're really comfy.

I hate taobao

I miss poupeegirl. It was really useful to have a digital version of my closet for planning coords.

>>9500685
I love them too but I'd never wear them to a meetup or post them on cof

>>9500731
Why is that?

>>9500685
Me too anon, I got Indicas in black and red and wear them all the time. I can't stand the fake leather brand shoes use. It's just so cheap and tacky. Plus, leather fits like a glove when you break it in.

>>9500855
I don't know if I'm accidentally buying a replica, 99% of the prints are ugly as sin, I don't know in what conditions it was made, 99% of the shops have inconsistent quality, I think most "designers" don't even like lolita and are just trying to make money while it's somewhat popular in China.

>>9498226
Most western hijabi lolitas I've seen photos of are white self-declared adult converts with no formal sect they grew up in so I don't think they are so limited by their local Muslim community or sect rule or traditions.

>>9501501
Sounds like you need to research your prints and if garment factory working conditions are a real concern, maybe consider buying from actual Japanese-made lolita brands. You know and we all know that cheap Chinese lolita dresses likely come from the same places that other cheaply made garments come from in China. Sweatshops or otherwise low-paying factories of often questionable working standards. I don't like most of what's on TaoBao and I think people are better off buying fewer but nicer real Japanese brand dresses, not Chinese dresses mass produced to hop on the lolita trend. Chinese lolitas are said to prefer Japanese lolita clothes, mainly AP and they don't like or wear much from Chinese lolita brands themselves. I'm not sure where AP's clothes are actually made. Moitie and JetJ are two that I know are made in Japan.

>>9502060
I'm not sure what warranted this reply because I already said one of the reasons I hate taobao is because of the ugly prints. I can think of 0 reasons to buy from taobao.

>>9502168
Pardon, you posted "If I'm accidentally buying...", which implies you are buying from there. If you aren't, I'm glad to hear it.

>>9500681>>9499968

80 killed in Kabul today
It was probably in retribution toward the West oh wait no it was an attack on other muslims for being the wrong kind of muslim, just like how the majority of victims of terrorism and Islamism are other Muslims.
At this rate, the Ramadan death toll will exceed the count of everything you've posted in another week. I added up the fatalities of what you posted. It's 401, including Timothy McVeigh from over 20 years ago.
Right now there are 164 deaths in under one week due to Islamic extremists.

>>9491291
>>9491296
It's because you can buy cheap teaparties and other knockoffs on Ali and taobao but rhs are much harder to find and more expensive