/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9696261
>the video

>>9696263
I know, I gagged a little.
I'd rather not be reminded that people like this exist.
Reposting the bingo card from the comm thread

This is what you wanted. You wanted the feminization of men and now you have to deal with it.

>>9696267
"Over 30"

Remind me next time a Lolita asks for help to tell her to fuck off and stop using me to satisfy her daddy kink.

Since I'm an auto-creep, don't any of you even approach me.

>>9696270
>implying the fashion and subculture was for men in the first place
Not everything is about you, anon-kun

>>9696271
Found the sissy

>>9696261
I love the lolita aesthetic and culture, but I'd never be a brolita. No offense to the guys who can pull it off, but in most cases I see it as an offense to the fashion.
My only complaint is that jfash for men is much more limited hard to find, which is a shame.
>>9696270
Anon, you can like feminine stuff without being a creep.

How many people wear denim jeans and have nothing in common with each other?

The problem with all these creeps is that they misunderstand the premise of how Lolita communities form and what purposes they tend towards. Lolita comms. are usually a "support group" for the collection of items (Selling, trading, group orders), the sharing of information about products and how to obtain them, help with coords and generally how to improve as a wearer of the fashion. Tea Parties, or meets, became a thing because people wanted to create solid events or reasons to all dress up together. Some people are shy and thrive in a group environment where there are lots of people also enacting their same hobby, while some like these events because it "forces" them to wear Lolita fashion more often.

My question at the beginning loops back around to this; other then perhaps wearing the same products, what do fetishists even have in common with the "average lolita"? As far as I can tell it's usually nothing. Most sisses are not interested in collecting specific garments, most are not interested in the "logic" of coording a dress and most don't share an interest in looking back at the aesthetics of past European eras. All they seem really interested in is attending event to try to then "convert" others to their lifestyle. It's invading a space with a defined purpose and then trying to derail it. I've never heard of a case of one of these creeps integrating well - setting aside their bedroom activities and focusing just on the clothing. It always turns to them trying to change focus to their somehow-Lolita-related kink in a public space.

Personally I think the way to "combat" them is to confront them outright; We're here for clothes and the "aesthetic" of Lolita fashion. If you are looking for a kink club, then you need to actually go out and find a kink club.

>>9696285
I have sometimes wondered if some of them start out thinking they're genuinely interested in the fashion and not recognizing that this is just a fetish or kink to them.

>>9696267
>"loli
>"i wish i could look cute like you"
>unable to take criticism
>permanent ita
I don't think these should be on there, they're very common among all lolitas. The
>over 30
seems like it's pushing it a bit too but I can see how it would raise alarms.

>>9696284
According to lolitas in the first thread, you can like their feminine fashion as long as you never partake in it or have anything to do with it.

>>9696271
Annnnd this is the kind of attitude you don't want to hang around.
You wouldn't be so offended by that image or one slot on a bingo card if you weren't already aware of and sensitive to your own fucking creepiness.
>"B-b-but anon!!! Not all men!!"
Yeah, get a grip. Clearly not all men over 30 are creeps, but most of them probably are.

I'm still going to work on a little post about this, but I want to say that two major indicators of creeps/potential predators are typecasting and reacting angrily/refusing to reflect on their actions.

Typecasting is essentially casting the victim in a negative light (calling lolitas "elitist bitches," or "rude" because they don't like them or want them around) so that the victim feels like they have to prove the insult wrong.
Creepy old dude from the comm thread was doing this, as is Brolita Jenny in the OP post.

Responding in anger and thinking only of their own feelings/disregarding how others might feel is another big one. Abusers tend to make everything a pity party where they're the only victim, they're the only one who matters.

>>9696285
Do they really intend to convert others? Most of the time I think they're just fucking oblivious and think communities are for fetish (the name+frilly dresses=fetish, obviously), or if they think otherwise, they get off on dressing up in public and feel safer doing it in a group of girls who are dressed "similarly".
Either way, they're poison and need to be eradicated. Things only become worse when some girls readily accept them because they slap labels like "brolita" or "trans woman" on themselves to hide their true intentions.

>>9696292
Context is important. The bingo is for mostly for men, and some things that wouldn't raise alarm bells if a girl did them are creepy as fuck when it's a guy.
If a guy is dressed poorly or acting poorly and refuses to take any criticism regarding their appearance or behavior, chances are he's a sissy or creep. Maybe you're lucky enough to have not had to deal with these people very much, but I am not so fortunate.

>>9696270 >>9696272
I think what anon-kun is trying to reference isn't related to this problem, because it was a problem to the thing he's referencing. Anon-kun is talking about the trend towards people not intrested in a hobby entering that space and diluting it from it's original focus. This has usually come in the form of non-cis males entering "spaces" commonly populated by males (not exclusively, just the majority) and then derailing off the hobby focus and turning it into an identity politics hugbox. Again, like I said, I think it's un-related but I think that's what he was talking about.

Personally my comm. was small enough that it got derailed by female weebs / sjws (a mixture of both tribes) and I eventually dropped out, because it ceased to be a Lolita comm. And by that I mean out of 20 members I was the only one dressed in Lolita. In my case it started with a call for more "inclusivness". Which was funny, because the comm only had one white person in it. We shrugged and said "okay, how can we cater to you?" and the first demand was that the new people needed us to help them shop for dresses; i.e. create entire coords for them and send them all the links. Then they stated as a block that the cost of Lolita was unreasonable, so we needed to become more excepting of homemade or thrifted coords. We never had a rule against that, so said sure. Then they still never showed up in Lolita and started talking about "identifying with Lolita". At this point they'd always focus on placing me at the center of group shots as the only person in Lolita and they would fawn over my coord. But no one else was dressing up.
I stopped going then they started a "fundraiser" to collect money to by second-hand bodyline.

>>9696261
My favorite part was the obvious struggle he had while unzipping the dress

>>9696293
As a note, this isn't meant to be used as an excuse for broad discrimination or to exclude certain groups (like trans women). However, minorities in the fashion do need to be aware of how they might be perceived by others.
It's my hope that this will serve two main purposes:
1. Help girls identify and combat creeps in their communities in order to create a safer, more enjoyable experience
2. Act as a very basic "what not to do" guide

Re: #2, I realize that some people (men, people on the spectrum) might not realize how fucking creepy or awkward they are sometimes. Hopefully this can help well-intentioned brolitas from coming off as creeps.

Trust your intuition! If you feel creeped out, chances are the guy is being a creep. As women, we are generally socialized to humor men, often to uncomfortable and dangerous lengths. Don’t discredit your fear or uneasiness. Someone in the last thread mentioned "The Gift of Fear," and I second this recommendation.

If you are being creeped on, please reach out to a member of your community with whom you feel you can be honest, whether that’s a friend or a mod. The offender should also be made aware that his behavior makes people uncomfortable and that any advances are unwanted.

In my experience, good guys with a genuine interest in the fashion will respond reasonably and even feel guilty/remorseful. Those who respond with anger, self-pity, etc. are generally rotten apples.

>>9696302
It's very easy to separate out transwomen from creeps.
>Simple distinction;
Transwomen are just humans who identify as not the sex they were born as. That's it - they're women with stubble. I have met many trans lolitas and never thought they were creeps, because there's nothing about gender dysphoria that makes you a creep.

Now, it is possible for someone to have gender dysphoria and to also be a creep. What I'm trying to say if that we need to stop being worried about being called "phobic". If you acknowledge there is no connection between gender dysphoria and being a creep, but that a creep could have gender dysphoria (just like a creep could be freckled, or have a disability, or a high I.Q. or any other human trait) then calling out a person who is actively being creepy is not a form of "hate".

Part of acceptance and equality is holding everyone to the same standards and not belittling them for being "different". Trans people deserve to be treated as if their dysphoria is not a factor.

>>9696317
Trans people are not the problem, the problem is cis men who are into lolita as a fetish while parading as "trans women" so no one would be able to call them out on their shit, because they know that girls would immediately jump to their defense and accuse everyone of being "transphobic". This is where this point of yours comes in,
>we need to stop being worried about being called "phobic"
>calling out a person who is actively being creepy is not a form of "hate"
I wholeheartedly agree with this, and any reasonable person would too, unfortunately this mindset isn't very common or otherwise not often expressed because girls keep to themselves out of fear of being labeled a bigot or a bully. I have hope that it'll change though.

>>9696317
Ayrt, I agree. Just felt the disclaimer was necessary since I've been torn apart on the Internet for being a bigot for less than this. I consider myself progressive and open minded, but I'm also well acquainted with and versed in abuse, predatory behavior, and social dynamics. It's important to equip yourself and know the risks, as it does help, especially when that knowledge saturates a community.
Open discussion of issues is another important component, and I would agree that in the lolita community, there's a sort of taboo regarding calling out creeps, fetishists, and men in general.
Look at how long the JL shit played out in the dark.

>>9696331
>in the lolita community, there's a sort of taboo regarding calling out creeps, fetishists, and men in general.
Exactly, and this eventually hurts us more than anything else. Everyone's so scared of being labeled a bitch or an elitist that they'd rather let assholes do whatever they want in our communities with no repercussions until it's too late. If keeping ourselves and our comm members safe from people like this is a "bitchy" or "elitist" thing to do then we need to step up our elitist bitches act.

>>9696189
>>9696220
We still never got an answer from white knight anon in the previous thread. What proof do you have that this guy isn't a creep?

>>9696391
What proof do you have that he is and that you aren't?

>>9696391
>5 o'clock shadow
>fake boobs
>those arms
>the "wrist cuffs"
Glamorous.

>>9696391
Is that actually him? Holy shit.

>>9696391
He kinda looks like Katya

>>9696392
I understand that you are still trying to dodge the question about why you bend over backwards to defend a sissy, but here. I'll bite.
Got any counterpoints, whiteknight-chan?

Over-30 female lolita here. The “over 30” box is absolutely justified. If you can’t contemplate the difference between how men in their late teens/20s act and how men in their 30s act and the reasons both would want to be around mostly young women, my guess is you are very young and naive.

there is nothing wrong with fetishizing lolita outfits

>>9696413
Wrong. It's the same reason why if you look like an incel, I won't let you take pics of me.

>>9696413
don't get mad anon, the people in this thread will fail to find a lifetime partner after reaching 30 anyway :^)

>>9696392
I understand that you are trying to distract from the real question, but here. I'll bite.
What are your counterpoints, whiteknight-chan?

>>9696413
In private. If you publically post about it or tell me to my face I want nothing to do with it

>bbbut kinkshaming
I don’t have to agree with your shite

>>9696417
I still take hidden pictures of you and masturbate to them, roastie

>>9696434
Thanks for proving every point about why we shouldn’t tolerate sissies like you

>>9696434
>implying you've ever seen a lolita in real life

>>9696425
>In private.
How many lolitas would be fine with this? Remember you're anonymous so feel free to answer honestly

>>9696444
Not at all, men getting sexual pleasure is fucking grim

>>9696444
Generally speaking, sure. It's your private life, do whatever you want as long as you don't broadcast it, nobody wants to know how you get your rocks off.
Personally speaking, no, I don't have sex in my brand and I'd be uncomfortable if my boyfriend found my frilly fashion sexy in any way.

>>9696444
I don't get why people think they can police people's sexual preferences? Sure don't throw it in people's faces and don't try to join a comm but you can fap to whatever the hell you want. I also think this idea of turning lolita into something anti-sexual is weird. I'd be happy if my boyfriend found me particularly attractive in the clothes I already wear and that I find myself cute/attractive in and if he suggested banging in lolita I'd be down.

>>9696298
>I stopped going then they started a "fundraiser" to collect money to by second-hand bodyline.

Please tell me you made that up. This is way too depressing.

>>9696444
I'd be pissed if I found out some dude (or person, but especially a guy) had drained his snake in some brand that he then sold to me. This is why I personally try to not buy from guys, but it's hard unless you buy all new.

>>9696461
The biggest thing is sissies, fetishists, and creeps do prey on comms or make them unwilling participants in their sexual fantasy role playing. It's gross and immoral.

>>9696461
Because there's sick fucks that don't understand the ideas around consent and use pictures of lolitas in their weird fantasies and post about it only. I don't want to end up on someone's weird sissy blog. If you and a consenting partner want to roleplay in expensive dresses that's fine.

>>9696469
*online

>>9696261
IDK
I'm terrified of the perverts that hate women so much that want to kill them or hurt them.
And these fetichists also get off on humiliation of women as themselves. So they dress up to self humiliate (because being wamen is humiliating for them)

And in the way, they target children too.
And because of that I worry of inspiring by wearing our fashion.
Just rambling and tired

>>9696467
I mean, thoughtcrime isn't a thing. If they actually invade a comm and are creeps to members then yeah, that's shit, but if they look at pictures girls post online publically and enjoy them then you know, that's life.
>>9696469
I mean it sucks but also what can you do? You post pictures on the internet, no one knows what happens to them. Also who said anything about roleplaying? I'm still the same person when I wear lolita, I don't pretend to be some uguu kawaii child.

>>9696463
As a guy who crafts and designs handmades, I wonder how many times this crosses people's minds as they're perusing my boutique.

>>9696463
You really have to be virgin to believe this. Have you never seen cum? It is fucking hard to remove from clothes. Gets stuck like glue.
So if you see dresses that are washed or with bleeding dye...

>>9696261
people into DDLG and ageplayers.
I hate them SO much I think I never hated a kink with such a passion in my life.
Sissies deserve to burn in hell too.

This thread is downright awful.

>>9696298
jfc, i'm from the left and not even rich in the slightest but SJWs and those kind of idiots need to die. All that PC culture/"progressive" bullshit makes things worse. It's because of people like them that sissies and special snowflakes are infesting our comms

>>9696474
I think it's as the other anons are saying, if we never find out that someone's jerking it to whatever pictures are posted, then no one's going to particularly care. It's when they make it public that they're collecting fap material that pisses everyone off.

It's particularly disgusting when they then take it to the step of wanting to hang out with their aforementioned fap material. Who the fuck wants to be around someone like that? Lolita or not, if a guy friend made it clear to me that he was jerking it to pictures of me I'd want absolutely nothing to do with him. If I never find out and he never acts that way or drops any sort of hint that he's engaging with that activity in private, then there's nothing for me to get disgusted about because I simply don't have access to that information.

>>9696486
So is it more about his openness about it that is disgusting? What if he kept it secret and you inadvertently found out somehow?

>>9696490
Here's the thing, you freaks don't keep it as secret as you think. You may be able to fool some naive retards, but everyone else in the comm knows why you're here.

>>9696261
Brolita turned transfem who hasn't gotten gender reassigned and expects everyone to be ok changing infront of her (some of our comm is REALLY YOUNG).

Oh and self-invited to someones home address. And complains that people bullied her but she just does not know boundaries. And takes immediate offence when people get uncomfortable.

>>9696486
Did you not read where I said
>don't throw it in people's faces
Letting people know you're getting off to them is just incredibly socially retarded, lolita or not.

>>9696492
If only I had the tact of a lolita

>>9696261
>Just want to chat with girls about sex and turn them into my camgirls
>I just care about the fashion
>Fuck you elitist uglies
>Accept me ~

I've never come across a sissy or fetishist in my life, y'all spend too much time on the internet

>>9696501
I'm agreeing with you. >>9696492 says it better than me, it's really rare that shit remains contained.

>>9696490
How would I inadvertently find out? What, I'm borrowing his computer for a moment and somehow I stumble across his secret stash and bookmarks without even looking for it? His friends tell me? He accidentally sends me a screenshot that I'm not supposed to see?

If I were jerking it on some guy in my immediate circle, you can bet your ass that all of that data would be Fort Knoxxed up on my side because I'd never want him or anyone else to find out about it. Anything less than that is a form of seeking validation for being disgusting.

>>9696434
That implies you get out of your room

>>9696513
You're at a meetup and his mom calls him on the phone and you hear her, muffled over the phone, say "A Lolita meetup? Is that those frilly-dressed girls I caught you jerking off to in your room one time?"

>>9696560
Your fantasies are almost impressively elaborate but please keep them to yourself.

>>9696560
mam please you're embarrassing me

>The soyim know

shut it down

>>9696261
I‘ll repeat what I said before.

Ban. All. Males.

Period. Lolita is not for them.
Let‘s keep the „Lolitas are bitches“ reputation alive and use it mercilessly.

>>9696462
It's maybe a stretch. What I mean is I gave them lacemarket links to second-hand bodyline pieces (you know, under 50 USD) and they then set up a fundraiser plan based on those price points. I didn't stick around long enough to see what they ended up buying. I was just tired by the end. It seemed like every week we were both lowering the bar and making no progress. I would have been okay with being the Lolita in a sea of ita, but we didn't even make it to having complete ita coords. I think the furthest we got was partial ita coords; like the skirt and otks could work, but no head pieces, shoes, petticoats or blouses. What's sad is personality wise I got along with them, I just got so frustrated with getting together and the day being spend just spinning wheels. Like, everyone would whine about "I wish I knew where to find a skirt for $30" and then I'd find something on my phone, show it to them and then they'd say: "...Oh. Well, I mean, it does cost $30~"

>>9696576
>mam

>>9696473
>I'm terrified of the perverts that hate women so much that want to kill them or hurt them.
This.
I'm worried about seeming rude to the especially creepy ones because the rumors of one of them being a gun fanatic. These people are clearly mentally screwed and I don't want to give them reason to come after me.

>>9696640
This is when it's best to reach out to friends and mods and have the situation handled by them. Mediation is a useful tool.

>>9696640
>>9696651
This has to be a joke

>>9696593

>>9696640
>I'm worried about seeming rude to the especially creepy ones because the rumors of one of them being a gun fanatic. These people are clearly mentally screwed and I don't want to give them reason to come after me.

Thats a little rude, being a /k/ommando Lolita fan

>>9696593
This. If you have a penis or a mutilated penis please stay away from the fashion.

>>9696669
but anon, the fashion industry is driven by gay men

>>9696666
Pretty sure anon was referring to someone they know specifically and not just to gun fanatics in general, but I'm glad you consider yourself one of the creepy ones we should avoid.

>>9696478
Wait is it? Nayrt but I never saw a real peen in real life much less a jizzing one so I didn't know. I knew from this board that it would stain but god that sounds even more disgusting than I thought.

>>9696687
If you saw my picture, you'd think differently, schatz.

>>9696285
Thank you for that! Viewing lolita comms as a support group for finding specific items is a very good way to look at it, and, at least for me, a great way to explain the use of lolita comms to outsiders.

>>9696593
I totally agree w/ this. I don't care if people call me a bitch for protecting myself from degenerates.

I'm male and I'm into lolita 100% because of the famous.
A person I have been friends with since high school is a woman and she is into lolita purely for the fetish side and even buys diapers.

Keep justifying your sexism by telling yourselves that all men, and only men, are into lolita for fetish reasons.

I'm male and I'm into lolita 100% because of the fashion.

A person I have been friends with since high school is a woman and she is into lolita purely for the fetish side and even buys diapers. she has a dd/lg relationship with her bf.

Keep justifying your sexism by telling yourselves that all men, and only men, are into lolita for fetish reasons.

I'm a brolita and I think itas and weeaboos are worse for this fashion than creeps. It's easier to identify a creep and slowly weed them out. Yeah they're gross and fucking terrible looking, but you can eventually ban them.

>>9696772
>harmless enthusiasts are worse than harmful fetishists
pls

>>9696765
Are you an idiot? We hate DDLG bitches just the same and they constantly get called out and shunned for never being able to keep their kink to themselves.

Just stop being a fucking creep and youll be ok.

>>9696765
No one said that women can't be creepy fetishists too. There's just a lot less of them. Not our fault your fellow men give you all a bad name by creeping on our communities.

>>9696293
>Implying I wanted you to hang around me.

Fuck off cunt, what part of get your frills off my fucking lawn do you not understand?

Is this one of those feitsh threads where the girl acts tsun

>>9696765
You're not creepy if your a cute boy.

>>9696593
t. /r9cgl/

>>9696795
>Just stop being a fucking creep and youll be ok.
not according to this thread who think all men should be banned
>>9696808
So why ban men if women do the same?

>>9696270
"feminization of men". Men have been crossdressing since before your grandmother was born & before women even had rights to vote let alone complain about wanting feminine men.

This is more of an issue of some losers who are so desperate for pussy that they'll wear lolita as a chance to get it. They're honestly incel-tier most of the time. Usually lolicons as well.

The sexual implications in cross dressing for creeps like this honestly baffle me. You'd think any sissy/cross dresser looking for female attention would be submissive. Yet all these creeps have the aggression and childish attitude of a abusive dom. Most of the more weird crossdressers outside of lolita I've ever met are clearly socially inept/pathetic at their worst, not dangerous or/and potentially violent like the rejected brolita's i've seen. It's honestly weird. What type of relationship do they expect to gain from crossdressing?

I don't have any issue with crossdressers/brolita's but it's pretty clear that a good portion of brolitas are fucking crazy. Certainly it can't be that hard to spot them in comms though? I can't see any nutjob brolita being the type to dress well/cleanly. Kick anyone who looks like garbage out from your comm and you probably wouldn't have any problems. That being said I've never met a self-identified "sissy" that wasn't clearly mentally unstable.

>>9696293
Ok I didn't like that dudes comment either, but to say that most dudes over 30 are creeps is false. Creeps are evenly distributed across the board imo. 30 isn't some sort of a cut off line where everyone suddenly devolves into an old person or a creep. Cgl is so weird in this way, everyone is afraid of the horrible 30, when in reality you're more or less the same as you were when you were 20

>implying that regular lolitas dont wear diapers

yeah alright how do you piss in that dress

>>9696844
It's about context and combination with the other red flags, retard.

>>9696857
I understand the context of the bingo card, retard. But anons comment was a dumb statement
>Clearly not all men over 30 are creeps, but most of them probably are

Eye roll, fucking kids.....

>>9696865
Sorry you're old and friendless :^)

>>9696841
That's literally one anon.

>>9696865
most men are creeps, it isn't just over 30.

>>9696865
You cannot deny that there is a cultural difference between guys who are currently in their 20s and men in their 30s like dad bro being a creep from the community thread. Every male over 30 I've met has been a creep.

>>9696865
Why are you so bumflustered over one point on a bingo card?

>>9696891
>>9696917
>>9696919
Tfw the stupidity of this thread won't make it to the next generation
feelsgoodman

>>9696930
>implying some of us aren't happily married
>implying you have to breed to be influential

>>9696934
>implying some of us aren't happily married
That's true
>implying you have to breed to be influential
nope, but none of you will do or be either

>>9696943
you seem upset

>>9696943
hah, sure anon. Sure.

>>9696944
Just ignore the bait. They'll get bored eventually.

>>9696943
>N-none of you will ever be influential!!
>How dare you think I'm creepy!

Keep crying into your cum-stained petticoats, dad-kun.

>>9696261
I decided to start out reading that with an open mind but I realized it was wasted a few words in

>>9696410
Agree. There's nothing wrong with boys or men wanting to hang out with girls or women their own age in general. Men in their thirties, forties, fifties, whining about not being allowed access to a female community that skews young? How is that not always a huge red flag? Gtfo, stef-on-knee wannabes.

>>9696413
There's also nothing wrong with hoping people like you get shanked in prison, pedo-chan.

>>9696462
It's hilarious. It's like those SJWs on tubblr who spend $60 a day on junk food, and then cry that they can't pay the rent of medical bills uwu and start a fundraiser, ripping off other bleeding heart SJWs who might be worse off than they are.

>>9696485
also an old school leftie and the only thing I agree on with the right is that identity politics is a cancer. If you're not a black transracial filipino transgender special pronoun dwarf with an amputated leg, several cundishuns like self-inflicted beetus type two and scarring from self-harm, and have adhd on top of at least three forms of autism, mental illness, and addiction, you are privileged and not allowed to have any opinion ever about anything. Any form of education or self-improvement is oppreshun. Also you have to be American because if you're from any other country you're too dumb to understand privilege and oppression and your experience doesn't count. It's exhausting.

>>9696674
A real gay man would never creep on girls or women, that's why we like them, and not the pseudo-queer creepers who think they can become part of the lgbt community because they are deviants into kids and some weird flavor of sadomasochism.

>>9696953
You can add a stutter but it's still correct

>>9696285
Most sissies and males that crossdress or are ""born in the wrong body", are just autophiliacs
that can't see anything female related as not a fetish.

>>9696271
>implying someone would ever want to approach you
>implying they weren't just being nice out of pity
Disgusting

Kick him out gulls

>>9696955

Reading this thread is just depressing on so many levels.

>Dress well and don't be a dick
>It could be that easy

>>9696261
I don’t get why there are still people defending these creeaps with „Not all men!“, „But women also!“ or „What about weebs!“.
Nononono. Female creeps will be banned as well. Weebs will leave by themselves anyway. Legit broöitas can prove themselves by active social media accounts and con meet-ups. It’s easy to see if someone is serious about lolita that way. Other than that males should be auto-banned. We should have to be accepting, they should be the ones to prove their serious interest in the hobby.
I am not some man-hater, but this is not a place for them and men show time and time again why they should not be allowed in.
Who cares if we are sexist, elitist or whatever they want to call us.

>>9697012
secrets are going to be fun this week.

>>9697027
This. We have a few guys in our comm and they show legitimate interest in the fashion, most of them go for ouji, the one that wants to be a brolita is a bit odd so the mods are keeping an eye him but otherwise seems harmless, and there have been no issues with them so far. The blatant creeps that sometimes try to join the group are immediately banned so the average comm member wouldn't even know they tried to join us in the first place.

>>9697012
If he's not a creep i feel bad for him :(

>>9697050
He's giving off enough bad/creepy vibes to put the community on edge. He makes people uncomfortable. There's nothing to feel bad for. He's trying to bully the community into accepting him at this point.

>>9697050
If it creeps like a creep it's probably a creep.

>We do not come for your poorfags or your itas. We do not want your brandwhores and your weebs. It is your creeps we ban. It is your fetishists that will be shunned by us. With every breath, we shall expose them online. Each day we will make them spill their male tears til it rains down their flat chests.

>Do not creep, do not engage in TMI about your wee penis, do not mansplain, these are principles which every lolita with common sense can embrace. These are not polite suggestions; these are codes of behavior. And those of you that ignore them will get banned.

>There are varying degrees of male entitlement, we urge you lesser forms of filth not to push the bounds and cross over into true creeper territory, into our domain. But if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see the cops and on that day you will reap it. And we will send you to whichever prison that will have you.

>>9697082
Goes both ways. Don't cross our boundaries either. Fuck off to your little tea rooms and stop taking up swaths floor space because you are afraid of dust getting on your daddy kink brand from us normie plebs

>>9696985
You already approached. I yelled out a warning to get the fuck away from me and you all swarmed like a bunch of cackling hens. I'm over 30, once again, get your frills off my damn lawn if I'm so creepy.

>>9696655
If you think this doesn't exist
Just go look at other boards. Look as adult boards. There are threads dedicated to hating women and fetish of their assassination

>>9696666
Being gun fanatic is not bad. But having a creep who is gun fanatic and fantasizes with humiliation of women (i.e. hurting and killing) is the worry. The second group must really be fucked up.

>>9697088
>Implying people would approach
>Want an empty lawn and yet comes to post to a thread where he is not welcomed
Fuck off red piller. God fuck your plastic doll and leave us alone

>>9696495
Wowwwwww anon, you're being really transphobic right now
You need to accept that she's just as much of a woman as you are

>>9696593
I wish this would happen. I've literally never seen a man who doesn't fetishize it in any way. They're always sissies, self-proclaimed "traps", autogynophiles, general fetishists, predators, and the list goes on. Basically if a man is dressing up in lolita, his penis is involved and the one in control of his involvement in the fashion.

>>9697145
Get used to muh dick

>>9697145
Aside from Mana, that’s the only Brolita I know that’s not a creep.

>>9697153
Mana has a gender?

>>9696593
>Ban. All. Males.
Too broad. There are brolitas that do appreciate the fashion and shouldn't be punished via the exclusion of the social aspect due to a separate group of disgusting people who also happen to be male.

>>9697135
>as much as a woman as you are
nayrt but you're super deluded if you think that
>transphobia uwuwuwu
alright leftie chan. Just stating facts. If that's too much for your feefees, you can go back to tumblr

>>9697174
I thought that anon was being sarcastic, actually.

>>9697174
>responding to an obvious bait post seriously
Fucking off to tumblr would be more appropriate for you

>>9697175
Shit, my bad fampai, the chans are invaded by tumblrinas so I can't even tell the difference anymore.

>>9697168
Yeah they can proof themselves. It‘s not our problem. Rather hurt them than us.

>>9697012
Wait he hasn't even been to a meet? Ew yeah ban him now.

>>9697012
>little sister

>>9696461
It's because we already deal with outsiders thinking it's a weird fetish thing. Having a scary dude in a dress show up just proves that to them. We have to distance ourselves from this shit in public. I don't care what anyone does behind closed doors, but you'd better not resell a dress you fucked in.

Here's a simple test.

>Do they act like CWC?

Yes: get rid of them
No: leave them be

>>9697224
He's in the sister mentoring group? Eck.

>>9697226
You don't have to be as bad as Chris chan to be a creep who deserves the boot.

>>9697226
CWC is the ultimate creep, but you can still be a creep without being as bad as Chris

>>9697230
>>9697234
Never said they had to be CWC-tier, just act like him. I mean the guy claims he's a woman, smears estrogen gel on himself, and gets off to the idea that he's a girly girl.

>lurk /cgl/ for the first time in years
>mfw young women sincerely debating whether or not middle-aged men should be allowed to explore their fetish in communities of teenage/young adult grills

>>9697244
Not a first time lurker and I'm as baffled as you are by this entire bullshit.

>>9697244
None of us are debating, basically everyone besides a couple of guys and one or two whiteknights has been saying we should kick them all to the curb.

>>9697244
Welcome to the community for bearded ladies

>>9697248
That is bullshit and you know it. This kind of shit is only worse outside of 4chan. The sissies invasion is making comms unsafe and unwelcoming to the girls interested in lolita

Mariko perfectly expresses how I feel about this.

>>9697270
Most of the last two threads have been gulls agreeing that it's a problem we need to combat; I've only seen a handful of posts supporting creepy dudes, and at least some of them were by self professed males.

>>9697273
Unfortunately the fact gulls agree on it doesn't reflect what happens in actuality.

>>9697273
I don't think anyone's of the opinion that we need to support creepy males. There are admittedly creepy females too but at least they're creepy and entrenched in this community, rather than creepy orbiters with no sense of how to navigate the social terrain.

>>9697270
That's true
many girls already receive disgusting pics of creppy dudes on instagram, i'm sure many of you have already seen a girl complain about it. But insted of supporting them or making them feel confortable, you make them feel ashamed for not accepting strange dudes that doesn't even wear lolita or try wearing it.
"meh, but not all men bla bla bla"
not happy about been related a creep? Make your own lolita meet with people that feel confortable with strange man around but DO NOT make woman feel ashamed of the fear society makes them feel 24/7

>>9697272
where is this from, i must know

>>9697288
Oniisama e by Ikeda Riyoko

>>9697288
A series called Onii-sama e.

I really don't think someone would go as far as wearing an embarrassing frilly dress to be near females

>>9697050
Don't. Worst case scenario, if he's not a creep (and that's a huge "if," just fucking look at him). Worst case, he gets shunned by a group of people he doesn't really belong with in the first place. That'll ruin what, his week?
If he is a creep (again, just look at the guy and what he chooses to talk about), and he preys on a comm member, that could ruin her life. Especially if she's underage.
Some brolita having a bad day < A lolita getting harassed or worse

>>9697292
They do when wearing embarrassing frilly dresses is their fetish.

>>9697292
1. Plenty of creeps don't even care about being around the girls, they get off on being humiliated and/or cross dressing (see: sissies, other fetishists) so
>embarrassing frilly dress
is exactly the point.
2. Girls have in fact been creeped on by guys feigning interest in the community in order to get close to them. Count yourself lucky if you haven't seen or experienced this.

>>9697252

>>9697272
>TFW married and happy
>My man is amazing

>>9697292
stop trying to make "pure hearted man" happen anon
not going to happen

>>9697306
I have a bf, too, but he's also not a fucking creep trying to be a part of my local lolita community.

>>9696271
If you were actually worth befriending, you wouldn't have to defend yourself. This goes for all brolitas.

>>9697050
even if he's not a creep
if girls feel unconfortable around him, he should not be there, sorry
man don't have to fear creeps 24/7 like girls do

>>9697107
You walked on my lawn calling 30 year olds automatic creeps. I told you to fuck off my lawn. Pretend I even wanted your daddy fetish shit near me, tell you to fuck off again. What part of your kink logic do you not understand yet?

>>9697309
it's diferent becouse you know him, and girls trust your judment of trusting him

>>9697313
maybe they feel uncomfortable because the norm is to shun the guys so all guys are automatically creeps and the whole stereotype snowballs?

I feel like it is an attitude that exists across most parts of society (gender stereotypes, racial stereotypes, religious and political sterotypes), where people just preconceive an internal model of what a person is like based on various attributes not necessarily related to their actual personality and/or interpersonal behaviour

it is stuff that makes the world a less nice place to live for normal people all because some people are creepy/insane/extremist/outright malicious

>>9697312
what kind of logic is this, you can't insult someone based on nothing then get offended when they become angry

>>9697145
The worst part?

Men could fix it.

If they stopped being so self-centered and realized they, surprise, do represent their gender and tried to earn respect instead of demanding it, it would be so much easier for them. Identifying men who are into the fashion purely for the fashion would stand out immediately because hey, guess what? They aren't pushing anyone out of their comfort zone to get what they want.

Instead, they just get mad and further perpetuate the stereotypes because they're used to forcing everyone into getting their way instead of being sensible and patient like how the majority of women are.

If you want to be accepted, try to fit in like what millions of women do every single day, instead of making yourself a victim when your gender's history has no place to do that.

And if you relate lolita to anything sexual or have a significant age gap with young members you are trying to befriend (like 25 and under), do everyone a favor and fuck off to another pasture because you are disgusting.

>>9697315
Try harder dickhead
Your daddy issues fetish is getting boring

>>9697322
that's a nice way to say "not all men"
but the stereotype comes from bad past experiences, just google "worse experience lolita fashion" and you probably find a girl saying she was assalted by a man.
Girls are just tired of men, don't judge them if they don't want to be near them.
And if you are not one of these creeps, prove it and you'll be wellcomed. But don't just expect it straight away or force them to accept you, it makes you a real creep.

>>9697306
Literally no one cares. This isn't about decent men. It's about creepy fucks.

>>9697322
If they feel creeped out, my bet is that he's being creepy. The onus is on the dude to not be fucking creepy.
Also, even if they are uncomfortable just because he's a dude, why is it so hard to understand that girls might want to have a space where they can just be girly with other girls?
One of the main reasons I love lolita so much is its celebration of hyper femininity and the girl friends I've made in my comm. I don't mind good brolitas in general, but there are times when I'd definitely prefer them to not be there.

>>9697331
this

>>9697322
Look at what's happening in American media and politics right now, anon. Look at Harvey Weinstein. Giving men the benefit of the doubt because "they might be nice" just gives the creeps a free pass to be predatory.
Why care if some of the nice one's feelings get hurt? It's a small price to pay for safety.

>>9697335
>>9697339
it was moreof that I can see the parallels to e.g having to prove oneself in for instance male-dominated scientific fields and how these in-groups out-groups are everywhere in society and it makes me sad that it is that way

>>9697294
Exactly this.

>>9697331
This has been my point throughout all this bullshit. If someone is worth their salt and not a total douche or creep, they won't respond like an angry inchworm demanding everyone call and accept them as a beautiful butterfly. They'd just try to prove themselves through their actions, like most of us do on a daily basis.
Thank you for wording it better than I could have.

>>9697329
What exactly is confusing you?

No one is insulting them at first. They are the ones who immediately cause problems by getting defensive when no one is targeting them. Then they are surprised people don't want to associate with them?

It's pretty simple concept: if you are offending people/crossing the line/making people uncomfortable, you need to change your actions or remove yourself. If people think you are being a creepy 30 year old brolita because you are initiating with lolitas 5-10 years younger and you don't want to be thought of as creepy, stop hanging out with them or leave?

If you act like a decent human being, guess what? People treat you like a decent human being. But walking around yelling "DON'T THINK I AM ABC BECAUSE OF XYZ" is pretty much advertising that you are the very thing you are claiming to not be.

>>9697339
Also, as if they're not insulting us and pulling bad shit on the regular.
I try to treat people well, but I'm done giving guys a free pass when the minute someone mentions that they're uncomfortable or says they've done something creepy, the guy starts screaming that we're elitist, rude, bitches, unreasonable, etc.

>>9697343
Women aren't known for entering scientific fields to jack off to other scientists without their permission, fampai. This is the most idiotic comparison.

>>9697331
Male fashionista here

I make my stuff and invite people to look at my store if they like my stuff, but I stay pretty far away from the comm. I'll occasionally conduct some market research and offer girls a $50 gift card for participating in a short interview, but aside from the professional setting I don't really interact with the girls other than some occasional shitposting here on /cgl/.

It's pretty simple. I'm a grown man and I have little in common with an 18 year old girl. There's basically no friendship potential there. If I want to make friends, I find other people who are crafters -- metalworkers, resincrafters, some 3D-print modelers and stuff like that.

If someone's a pervy fetishist, there's plenty of platforms for them to find other people like them. Going into the public arena expecting your fetishes or kinks to be welcomed is fuckin weird. Somehow it's everyone else's fault when some creep doesn't understand boundaries?

>>9697354
I might have been really lucky with the guys I have met if a common enough problem with guys in lolita for the blanket statements here then

I did not intend it to be a 1:1 comparison as much as an example of stereotypes being prevalent in society but if the stereotype is actually true to the extent this thread would indicate (as opposed to the more common anecdotal rants in most threads on this chan), then I suppose my point is pretty moot

>>9697306
You know exactly this is not about you and your men.
If I tell my fiancée "Men are shit." he knows exactly which men I'm talking about.

>>9697367
>if a common
if it is a common

>>9697367
If you do a little searching, there are plenty of stories in the archives, on lj, and on tumblr of people dealing with creeps.
https://yuki.la/cgl/8989761

>>9696674
gay men who design dressed to be unwearable with a normal bra, anon, they know nothing about what a woman wants

>>9697388
I absolutely believe there are a lot of creeps, but I am wary of judging solely on stories posted because of the risk of confirmation bias and all
I do not have high hopes based on some of these though

>>9697388
>they tell me it's my fault for talking to such a creep
>they don't even ban him
What the fuck

>>9697361
Much respect, men's fashion is hard, especially menswear to make

>>9697395
who do you think sends him the dresses ;^)

>>9697361
what is your IG. I'd like to see male fashion created by a gull

>>9697337
Ah, I so agree with this. It took me a long while to find a group of girls I felt comfortable around. I have made some amazing friends in my comm and I love that we can all just be girls w/o dudes around. I don't want a masculine presence at our meets.

>>9697352
Yep, that guy on FB and this thread are just living proof of what happens when you tell a man he isn't allowed and we don't feel safe around him. I hate how men feel entitled to insert themselves into lolita. Like, Mana is one thing but some random old white dude in a polyester dress is another.

By reading this thread I see /cgl/ has a really harsh (but understandable) aversion to men who are into lolita, generaly based on bad personal experiences.

For that reason I've always kept my interest in lolita for myself. I son't see it as anything sexual, they are made not to be sexual in the first place, and I would never wear it myself, because it's clearly not made for men. I just think the designs and all the work behind each piece are fascinating and a great inspiration for me.

But the image of men in this community keeps me from discussing with anybody outside 4chan, and that sucks. I'd just love to be able to talk about lolita just like I talk about anything else without bein labeled as a fetishist.

>>9697361
You? I like you. You seem reasonable.

>>9697337
This
Why is it so hard to understand that sometimes girls just want to be with other girls without having to worry whether or not THIS guy is a creep. Guys have no problem excluding women but the second the script gets flipped there’s suddenly a need for a debate.

>>9697429
I think in this case, if you were to ever run into lolitas, it would be fine to approach them in a way like this:

"Hi, I like your coord! Is that from x brand? What's the print called?" (or something similar)

I actually had a guy come up to me at a bar once and was really excited to see someone wearing lolita and he DIDN'T come off as creepy. He seemed legitimately interested and we had a fine conversation.

I think if you make it clear that you have some knowledge that isn't "hurr durr will you be my lolita waifu" you'll be okay.

>>9697214
Rather hurt the brolitas that haven't done anything? Like collateral damage? Bloody heck

>>9697429
You could start wearing Ouji/Aristocrat, join a comm and appreciate the fashion that way.

>>9697439
It's not really "hurt", as explained by this anon >>9697294
If a comm rejects you for being a guy even though you've never and will never hurt anyone that genuinely sucks, but you can wear lolita without them if you choose. If you're too self conscious to do it daily, there's always conventions and your own online space (blogs, etc.). But this is the better option than to take the risk that someone in the comm may possibly get hurt by a guy who does have underlying intentions.

>>9697439
Yes. I will always prioritize other girls in this fashion over guys, even well intentioned ones. As multiple other people have said, it is on you to prove yourself; girls have to do it too.
Guess what? If a girl is a horrible ita or really creepy and awkward, she gets bitched about here, too. If she crosses lines? She gets banned from the comm.
Why should it be any different with you?

>>9697437
Thank you anon, That makes me feel more confident.
>>9697440
I thought abou that a couple of times, but it's just not the same. Men's clothes are way more limited, and hard to find.
I quess I'm just waiting until I find something I really like instead of just getting the fist thing I find and pop up at a meet with a shitty coord.

>>9697443
the difference being the line already being drawn in the case of the guys, I guess?

I might be too idealistic in my trying not to exclude anyone from anything but as it turns out a lot of humans are absolutely awful, and some people probably really should be excluded from the get go (jfc >>9697388 )

in an ideal world where human decency was commonplace I suppose.

>>9697352
>>9697428
Don’t forget “hysterical” or references to PMS!
One of my biggest red flags to look out for when meeting a new guy into Jfashion (or just in general) is how quick he is to get upset when a woman doesn’t bend to his whims, and how much he uses sexual or gendered insults like slut, bitch, cunt etc. If a man can shrug off an unpleasant interaction with another man but goes on a “bitches and whores” tirade (online or irl) at any perceived rejection from a woman, he’s bad news. Even if he’s always nice to you to your face, chances are high that’s how he feels about you, too. It’s just a matter of time until you do something “wrong” in his eyes and then you’re a hysterical bitch too.

Both of the creeps in my local comm shit up multiple threads with incoherent rage and weirdly sexual insults when they were finally banned. That was a window into the souls of people I really did not want to get to know.

>>9697451
In an ideal world I’d be fine with men in lolita, but we definitely do not live in an ideal world.

>>9697451
IMO if you're a guy and want to get involved in the online (and then physical) comms, you should get your shit together first.
There are crossdressing threads here where you can ask for advice on your looks. Once you're confident that you look good and know your shit, try going to conventions or posting to places like COF, and don't do the shit that's being complained about ITT.
If you seem well enough received in person/on COF, then try to join your comm. You'll seem a lot less creepy than some rando dude who just discovered lolita, or who's "always been a fan" but still can't pull together a half decent coord.

You don't have to be part of a comm to be a lolita, and it's not some universal lolita right.

>>9697453
Yup, I agree.
I have, and always have had, a lot of male friends because of my family and my interests growing up, and I've had to cut off a lot of them as I got older.
Right before college was basically when I realized that if a guy talked about women like that, it was pretty much only a matter of time or me pissing him off before he talked about me that way. Similarly, if a guy is dismissive of feminine things, we're not going to get along.

>>9697284
I am very stern on the belief men do not belong in meetups. There are very very few exceptions I would allow to this rule. I would be way more concerned about making sure my comm is friendly to WOMEN and is safe and comfortable first and foremost. A sissy with a stubble and boner is the opposite of this.

You have no right to complain because a boy practically started the whole goth lolita movement

>>9696391
>literally no attempt
>5 0 clock shadow

throw his ass out hes a nigger

>>9697479
Are you referring to Mana?
>implying Mana is "a boy"
>implying Mana started lolita fashion
He used the term "gothic lolita" to describe his own style and popularized it, but he did not start the fashion, it was started by Japanese girls.

>>9697463
I think in general we shouldn't judge people on how they talk to us to our face, because anyone who isn't a complete autist will be on their best behaviour when talking to someone initially. Pay attention to how they talk about others when they think you'll agree, or when they're upset and let the facade slip for a moment. That's how they really feel.

>Similarly, if a guy is dismissive of feminine things, we're not going to get along.
Same. If a man looks down on something for being traditionally associated with women, how do you think he feels about actual women? These types might wax poetic about beauty and softness for five minutes but in the end, they have zero respect for us.

>>9697479
this, we lolitas should be practically begging to be part of a harem

>>9697485
By Japanese women who wanted to be able to enjoy cute and feminine things without being creeped on or sexualized by guys, at that.
Creeps, sissies, and fetishists are so antithetical to lolita; I feel like all of the people defending them and men in general are incredibly ignorant about the history of the fashion and/or blinded by their entitlement.

>>9697493
Because they aren't normal fetishists. Thus the creeps into it are especially strange and creepy.

>>9697493
They probably get off on invading a space that they don't belong in. There's no such thrill or sense of power in being a crossdresser at a kink event. Gotta impose yourself on unsuspecting women for that, even better if they're young and naive.

>>9697479
He did not force anyone to accept him, he had fans and these girls use to adore lolita so did he. He was not a strange guy that came out of nowhere asking pictures of minor girls on private and making them unconfortable.

Men be like "not all men"
Them be like "but he does that too!!!!"
Them be like "you can't judge me for other guys shit att"
Them be like "but mana is a boy but kamijo is a boy but ruiza is a boy mimimi"

STOP CRYING MALES 2017 GROW UP AND FACE THAT WOMAN DON'T WANT YOUR BULLSHIT but we want mana's bullshit cuz he makes pretty ass bullshit dresses

>>9697491
nice comment, Chad

>>9697520
While I agree with the fact that those men are a nuisance, you sound exceedingly annoying.
Are you the kind of person to constantly repost buzzfeed and "privilege" posts?

>>9697520
While I agree with the fact that those men are a nuisance, you sound exceedingly annoying.
Are you the kind of person who constantly reposts buzzfeed and "privilege" posts?

>>9697479
Mana EARNED his respect by the community, while you are just begging for it.

>Male in his 30’s
>Doesn’t wear Lolita at all
>Still part of the community
>Asked weird questions at a meet up, made everyone feel uncomfortable
>Comments uncomfortable things on photos of Lolita’s (Also in the comm’s group)
>Only likes photo of girls wearing Lolita (Not of Lolita items, brolitas or girls in Aristocrat)
>And yet, still in the community

Most Lolita’s have unfriended him by now, he luckily doesn’t go to meets anymore and he has also stopped commenting on messages in the group. (Which is weird as he used to comment on everything.) But, he is still in the comm and everytime someone posts a photo of herself, we are reminded by a like that shows he is still watching.
But I think there are more men with questionable intends part of the group. We also had some troubles with a brolita in the past, who behaved inappropriate around minors.

But, we also have some nice brolita’s in the group, that have a serious love and interest for the fashion.

>>9697601
Why are creepy fucks like this not put in their place? Are all mods incompetent?

>>9697601
>>Only likes photo of girls wearing Lolita (Not of Lolita items, brolitas or girls in Aristocrat)
But lolita looks it's best on girls

>>9697611
We have pretty passable brolita’s in the comm though. Who look better/cuter than some of the girls.

>>9697179
no, anon, you just spend too much time with strawmen.

>be male
>join comm
>nobody knows me well, or at all
>spend meets feeling mostly alone
>back out of convos if it seems my presence kills the vibe
>keep positive, friendly attitude anyway
>continue to show up, participate, improve coords, be friendly
>eventually make friends
>get invited to smaller meetups
>even go with comm friends to unrelated events now
>forget what it was like to be lonely and worried about seeming creepy

it was not easy, but honestly, it was not that hard. i have had harder "rookie" times, and i bet most of you reading this have, too. i mean, i have had cats treat me much worse (peeing on my shit) while they get to know me.

knowing everyone suspects you may be a creep can hurt, but you need to get over it. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU. there are a million valid reasons for women to be suspicious of men entering a feminine space. if your response to this thread is to argue that the mean lolitas are wrong and you deserve a chance, you don't get it. and if you can't empathize with or understand their fear, you don't belong.

if you run after your new roommate's cat demanding it hold still for you to pet it, because you're such a nice guy and you give great pets, you deserve the scratches you get.

life sucks, people are shit, and you aren't special. group membership always involves sacrifice and compromise, which helps to weed out the shittiest candidates. suck it up and be humble.

i was going to say what if someone just decides they dislike you, calls you creepy and is able to make people distrust. But I realised girls do that to other girls anyway, I think a lot of crossdressers just don't know how to acclimatise to a female space properly and play the game of subtly being a cunt.

Basically you all seem crazy to me, but especially >>9697520

>>9697650
This. A brolita who dresses well and is a good person should realize when their presence is making others uncomfortable and give them space.

If a creep tried to enter our comm I'd be the first to step up and shoo them away.

t. Brolita with secondhand shame from all these idiots.

As Admin of my Comm I made the mistake of letting a dude in his late 20s join under the impression that he was into EGA and Ouji. He came to two meets, in that time he managed to get the name of a 16 year old member, arrange to go to her house, what happened there I don't know exactly, but the girl told us that she couldn't come to meets where he was anymore because her mum wouldn't let her because he came to her house while no one else was there and apparently tried to have realationships with her.

Never again.

We have a no men policy now.

>>9697429
>(but understandable)
nothing understandable about it. Its pure sexism.

>>9697673
that's disgusting, poor girl.

>>9697681
Wah wah wah. Go cry about how the big bad girls gave you a bad case of the cooties and then didn't let you sit at their tea party because you're a creep.

>>9697681
Did you even read the thread?

>sit next to someone
>see an erection
What do you do?

>>9697694
the thread was getting too reasonable, so anon had to stir shit until something more to his taste turned up.

responding to trolls who don't engage with the conversation fully is a waste of time.

>>9697696

Is this basically the same as the whole trans (as in the tumblr definition where anything goes) being allowed in the gender they identify with bathroom argument?

Cause this thread certainly has a terf vibe

>>9697709
I'm fine with legitimate trans women being in the fashion and in my community. I'm not okay with men using the trans label to get a free pass.
People like Melissa are gross and allowed to creep just because lolitas are worried about appearing inclusive.

>>9697709
>uses "trans" as plural noun

rebait your hook, this was a dead giveaway.

>>9697429
I'm a brolita and some of my best friends are lolitas. Just don't be a fucking creep, have a genuine interest in the fashion, improve your own coord game on your own time, and listen to what other people have to say.

Yeah there's a lot of hate towards shitty men, but if you're not one of them you shouldn't have to worry. There's a lot of guys in comms you don't hear about on cgl because they haven't really been a problem. It's the creeps that ruin the experience of everyone.

>>9697681
>reads all the posts itt
>knows about all the bad experiences and how frequent they are
>b-but it's sexism

Yup, you're a creep.

>>9697714
>I'm fine with legitimate trans women
with the tumblr definition how do you tell the difference? Or are you just gonna call it on who looks like they are trying, cause that is one blog post away from you get a hoard of angry activists after you

>>9697715
>uses "trans" as plural noun
so does everyone

>>9696413
There's also nothing wrong with me drinking a full bottle of wine and then puking all over your petti, you creep.

>>9696593
I want to narrow it to "Ban. All. Males. from sweet/classic lolita."

Goth dudes can stay they usually aren't sissy creeps and all the goth brolitas I've met irl have been pretty chill. Also the Mana legacy etc.

>>9697740
Sissies tend to gravitate towards sweet but in my experience waifufag dudes prefer gothic. They usually don't wear it like sissies do but since a lot of anime girls wear gothic lolita inspired dresses (that would be considered really ita if worn irl) the style tends to attract weebs that want an 'irl anime waifu.'

We should add
>stolen pictures or pictures of anime waifus
>questionable friends
to the bingo

As a note, my comm has a short questionnaire that wannabe members must fill out when they request to join the group. It covers basics like how they got into lolita fashion, if they own and wear it already, favorite brands or pieces (if any), and some other basic info with options to include photos of you in lolita. I think it has helped us weed out a lot of the creeps.

>>9697557
nah
just tired of people making defense for useless creepy pigs

like, ok if you don't do fetish/creppy stuff but then this thread has nothing to do with you, then why are you so mad about it? got me?

>>9697667
>says girls are mean to girls just becouse they are girls
>say girls make up stories about bad experiences in the past for silly reasons
>say someone is crazy couse they don't agree with you

i dont even know if you are a male, anon
but you sure are a creep/someone i'd avoid in the comm
that if you are in fact a lolita not some gul that never touched a lolita item and complain about stuff you don't even know
ok

Looking forward to winning bingo when this creep finally shows up.

>>9697692
LOL and why is it so sad for then not to be wellcomed? if brolitas/fetichist/30 years old married man who attends to meets just becouse he wants to see gurls in frilly dresses are that nice, why don't you make an exclusive meeting for them? that would be very inclusive, wouldn't it? :O but oh no! you guys just want to hang with cute girls and creep on them? sad

>>9697709
Nobody has problems with trans women in any comm I’ve ever heard of. As someone earlier said, there’s nothing about gender dysphoria that makes you a creep or a predator.

Most of the sissy creeps identify as straight cis males anyway so idk why anyone is even bringing up trans women. They are not the problem. Men are.

>>9697852
>accept me i have a mental disease
>prefer a more relaxed atmosphere
>none of your female friends are interested couse they know you are a creep
>have lot of excuses not to use lolita that are made up

creep

>>9697855
I've gone to a meet far away from where i live, i met a trans woman who wears lolita there, she wasn't as pretty as Mana or fit that well into the fashion, but she didn't buy replicas/was active in the comm/helps everyone.
I trusted her becouse she didn't come to me already trying to be accepted or forcing me to accept her, we just realize we had much in comom.
trans woman are not the problem, the problem is a creep that doesn't even tries to look cute or to follow lolita asthetics force people to accept him. that's the creepest of the creeps. that's just a guy tryng too hard to get in a bloomer.

>>9696391
Is that a wedding ring ?

>>9697855
I've come across sissy fetishists who appropriate the trans woman label in order to get away with shit. Basically, "I'm not a creepy fuck, you're just transphobic!" But I've also never heard of actual trans women being kept out of comms for just being trans.

>>9697718
It is literally sexism. How do you define sexism??????

>>9697852
>lolita's
Triggered.

>>9697852
>I as most lolita's am a shy and sensitive person
>In an Aus comm
Suuuuuuure.

>>9697874
Yes. He's married and has a child. Which just makes him 100x creepier.

Newsflash: Lolita is a hobby revolving around dressing up like dolls. You are ALL fucking creepy.

>>9697893
Honestly, if I had proof that some guy that was creeping in the comm had kids, I'd boot him from the community while I waited on the line to CPS.

A lot of this stuff occurs with or bleeds into abusive behavior at home.

>>9697896
someone post a cosplay version of this

>>9697709
>a women-dominated group doesn't like when men with a fetish for that group's interest join it under the guise of sharing the interest
>MUST BE RADICAL FEMINISTS

>>9697283
If men in lolita want to be part of a com, why not make their own community of brolitas? Then they can talk about what they obviously have in common without running the obvious risk of getting perceived as sexual predators.

Sorry, dudes. But thanks to #NotAllMen, but regretfully enough #AWholeBunchofAwfulMen, girls have to grown up in constant fear of getting sexually harassed or assaulted, and not you don't get a pass. No one can tell for sure that you're not a creep, gtfo.

This thread is why I throw out complaints from lolitas as soon as they leave the room.

>>9697896
lol these sour grapes. Your hairy balls must be so sweaty and itchy under your pettis, please take a Xanax and get some fucking therapy for your paraphilia, creep.

>>9697893
>>9697897
Agree. Also imagine being that kid and having to go to school. Getting bullied because your dad wears lace dresses and creeps on very young girls.

>>9697951
For real. Women have created probably 99% of comms, and it does take a good amount of effort. People are constantly making new comms or groups for their own interests. Go start a brolita comm.

>>9697959
A lot of online brolita comms are fucking awful sissy shit. The real brolitas who are not creeps and look good are already accepted community members and are pretty cool/chill. I don't have to make another comm because we're not part of the problem. The creepy men are the ones that make all of this shit terrible and are the reason why threads like this exist. Sitting around reading shitposts on 4chan doesn't do anything. If your comm mods don't raise a red flag when it comes to people like this married dude then take it up with them.

>>9697722
>so does everyone
they really don't, Gerald

>>9697361
I could make friends with a grown man.

>>9697673
poor girl. A little too native.

Burn this whole fucking board down. Leave no survivors.

This is something that frustrates me. One of the bigger "Brolita" communities I've found, I've encountered a lot of the concerns that a lot of other posters have made here. Ranging from fetishists, sissies, ageplayers, etc. I personally love telling these people that it's not lolita. There is a very small handful of Brolitas who take the fashion seriously. So this is a difficult conundrum for us. The ones who take it seriously, for the fashion, and nothing beyond that, all most of us want is to be part of the community. It's upsetting to see that these individuals have attempted to force their fetishes (and in some cases worse). It really ruins opportunities for us to contribute to active communities.

IIRC, there's a Brolita Group in Lolita Amino. It was self-policed. One time we had a sissy fetishist whose handle had "ladyboy" in it and his avatar was basically a dude wearing a poorly made dress. He ended every post with the word "curtsy". Myself and others knew that he wasn't lolita material. It was cringy. He returned later and ranted that we were gossiping behind his back. We were for all the right reasons. We wanted him to GTFO. He left soon afterwards. Didn't last a day or two in the brolita group.

I'm one of the sissybois you speak of and let me start by saying that I don't attend or plan on attending coms.

That said I want to reassure you that our kin is largely inoffensive and that in this context the fetish goes no further than "I feel so girly wearing these dresses and being the only guy in a women's space"

Basically it's like a symbolic surrender of their masculinity at a social and aesthetic level. It's not really conducive to abuse or anything like that.

>>9698229
>>“being the only guy in a women's space"

This is exactly why we don’t want you. You literally get off on invading spaces we have made for ourselves, and you want us to sacrifice that sisterhood for your boner. Fuck off.

>>9698243
But yet I don't see anyone shiting on Oujis, for example.

>>9698244
Ouji doesn't have the same level of humiliation for sissy fetishists.

>>9698229
It's not inoffensive if you share your kink with unwilling parties, some of whom are minors. Why is keeping your sex life to yourself so difficult?

>>9698244
First off, 99% of oujis are women.

Second, ouji isn’t a fetish, it’s a style, and if you cannot differentiate between the two I feel afraid for any women who have to be around you.

>>9696298
How young were the kids in this comm?

Jesus, it's ok to wait to be a little financially stable and older to get into lolita. Goodness...

>>9696593
I'm okay with gays too
gays
not sissies or traps or whatever

>>9697971
If you're an actual brolita and don't take a stand against sissy fetishist trolls infiltrating our communities, you're part of the problem.

>>9698092
How do you plan on doing that?

>>9698229
trotting your kink out in public and forcing innocent bystanders to participate is not inoffensive. JFC.

>>9698243
Exactly. Female com members are actual PEOPLE you know, not just a foil/background props for freaks to project their fetishes on. Just goes to show how these perverts regard us as mere objects.

>>9698229

Jesus fucking christ so we're just fuckin kink props to your sick fantasy. Awesome.

Also, consent includes public etc. But if you actually cared about safe, sane, and consensual, you wouldn't be here trying to convince us that it is harmless.

>>9698256
Okay so I was thinking about it and came up with a good analogy.
Imagine a girl comes to watch football games with a bunch of dudebros because she feels masculine doing it and has a fetish for it (weird ass hypothetical I know) If I was one of the guys and I found out, I personally wouldn't really care. But in a way Instead of creepy I'd find it humorous yet very dishonest to pretend to like something when you have ulterior motives.

>>9698229
Sissies who invade comms to get off on "being the only guy" are involving unconsenting parties (often including minors) in their kink. That is not harmless or okay, and it shouldn't be tolerated by us or by kinksters that believe in being "safe, sane and consentual".

No one cares if you get off on associating femininity with humiliation, but keep it to your own spaces and out of ours. And defending those who do impose their kinks on the unwilling public makes you just as bad as them.

>>9696261
>I thought lolitas were supposed to turn the other cheek
When he tries shit like this, it just proves that he doesn't care about the subculture even a little. I laughed my ass off.

>>9698279
>>9698273
>>9698270
You're probably right. I was mostly talking about the risk of someone being harassed or abused, but sure, it's quite uneducated to play out your kinks in public. I guess maybe that's why tends to attract crazier people, since they lack that self awareness to not do it in the first place.

>>9696261
now you know how we feel when it comes to general cosplay

>>9698276
If you were a guy you wouldn't care because you're likely physically larger and stronger as the girl with the fetish. She's not a threat to you. That's not the case if it's the opposite way, we're dealing with huge ogres trying to be teehee, one of the girls! And everyone is uncomfortable and too afraid to say anything for fear of enraging the swamp donkey.

>>9698290
Yeah also the whole entire society around you has to be the complete opposite. Millennia of women believing men are their property or subhuman.

>>9696285
>If you are looking for a kink club, then you need to actually go out and find a kink club.
A lot of these people have actually been barred from their local kink communities for being horrible creeps, so they go looking for a new more vulnerable outlet.

>>9698303
We should make a database of well known creeps so that people can look them up and be forewarned. Maybe the lolita thread on kiwifarms is of use for that, they aren't shy about doxxing creeps.

>>9697497
This, I'm convinced of it. They're like gross dudes who expose themselves to women.

>>9698267
But that applies to everyone, not just to actual brolitas. You're equally as culpable.

>>9698229
>this
>largely inoffensive
I've never in my life seen a better illustration of why not to let people define themselves.

>>9698324
>they aren't shy about doxxing creeps.
Maybe it is best any kind of man stays away cause you creeps obviously have some serious issues

This is like /pol/ thread but without the hint of irony

>>9698369
Sure thing, boo. Creepy fetishists who might sexually assault underage members are totes as oppressed as ethnic minorities. Cry me a fucking river.

>>9698369
>Being a sissy and forcing others to participate in your deviant sex life is just like being black in america.

>>9698387
>ethnic minorities.
>>9698390
>being black in america.
cause my post was really focused on saying they were the same as black people.......is it cause I pointed out you talk like /pol/? Cause that is just about how you act, not that they of equivalent status.

yeah you guys are creeps, please stay away from any community as I don't want you doxing everyone who get on your nerves

>>9698369
Yes please, any kind of man stay awaym, just as you.
Idc if you call us /pol/ or sexist or whatever, I don't care about labels if my friends and I can be save.

>>9697855
All the creeps my comm has dealt with were trans or at least claiming to be trans. Clothing/makeup and even HRT aside, their behavior, aggression and sense of entitlement was still 100% recognizably male, so I agree with saying “men are the problem” because imo these were still men. I do feel bad for transwomen with no ulterior motives but I’ve never met one who was interested in lolita.

>>9697881
This, we wouldn’t keep someone out just because they’re trans. But since even seemingly ‘legit’ transwomen (HRT, legal sex change) have caused trouble for us in the past and even threatened violence, it can be hard to draw a line in the sand. People want to put them in the same group as cis women who have been involved in drama but I don’t feel that is fair, because those cis women never got sexual or aggressive and never threatened violence. Only people who were born male have done that but it’s taboo to point this out, and we’re supposed to act like these people weren’t socialized as male despite all evidence to the contrary. It’s really no wonder that sissies and other creeps hide under the trans label because it lets them get away with things they wouldn’t get away with if they owned up to being a man.

>>9698419
>Clothing/makeup and even HRT aside, their behavior, aggression and sense of entitlement was still 100% recognizably male
>But since even seemingly ‘legit’ transwomen (HRT, legal sex change) have caused trouble for us in the past and even threatened violence,
> Only people who were born male have done that
>>9697855
>Nobody has problems with trans women in any comm I’ve ever heard of
If only someone had warned me this slope was so slippery

>>9698397
>implying any com welcomes the likes of you

>>9698419
Seriously, XX chromosomes or gtfo. No one cares if your name is now Cait, you still look like the hulk in your dress unless you're photoshopped to hell and back.

>>9698434
It's a blurry line and most lolitas I've met really, really want to be inclusive of transwomen and give them the benefit of the doubt no matter what. So you get a case of "no true Scotsman", where someone who claims to be trans and is a decent person is pushed forward as a great example, whereas someone claiming to be trans who is a total creep is said to not really be trans at all. I'm not their psychiatrist so I don't feel comfortable making those distinctions. Who am I to say one is really trans but the other was just faking? I generally go off their own claims and actions.

Members of my comm have complained about the people I mentioned on /cgl/ before but they always leave out that they were on HRT etc., probably because they don't want to be accused of transphobia. Or they refer to these people as simply women ("women can be agressive sexual predators too!") and leave out the fact that they weren't born or raised that way. I really do believe they mean well, but it's not actually helping anybody.

>>9698443
I actually have no problem with men in ouji/aristo and we even have one brolita who is a decent guy and has a serious interest in fashion. The people my experiences have made me most suspicious of are those who claim to be just as female as we are despite their biology and socialization. Playing along with that requires me to lie to myself and I'm not comfortable with that. I'll respect their pronouns but I will still trust my instincts over any of their claims.

>>9697388
Fuck that's my story
By the way, this dude moved states and is active in a different lolita community. If you ever see an Ita named John, that's him. He's now "upgraded" to replicas

>>9697082
honestly its not that hard. I love EGL for fashion. I will never wear a dress because uh... I'm a guy and I don't do that stuff?

Just by going to tooo many cons I have seen creepers and for any dude who denies they exist (I mean the brolita ones who set off my oh god go away sensors just to limit the scope.)

If a woman wasn't hyper defensive I would be honestly concerned for her safety! In the Midwest, I saw this.. older man in lolita and ughhh it was like akward when I am smiling and interally going "dear God I hate myself now", and I'm just a guy. I can't even imagine the horror of being a woman.

>>9697145
I want to say this but I will be called a damn bigot because yes. Its so damn common I should start a blog male predator hunter because its bad

>>9698476
The majority of men aren't nearly as aware of this shit as you are. They think we're exaggerating or being overdramatic because they've never experienced it themselves, and women generally get left alone when they're walking next to a man. They don't see, and therefore don't believe, the kind of shit we get when we're by ourselves.

On the other hand, though, the kind of men who tell women to stop exaggerating harassment are the same kind of men tell rape victims "well what did you think would happen, walking home alone at 5 PM" so I guess they are aware of the dangers and just aren't capable of empathy towards women. I don't even know anymore.

>>9698495
I think its because I am a fan of love live, imas and other idol things and I'm a guy so I come from the pov of "this isn't my space I share it with girls" tbf and FUCKING CREEPER CROSSDRESSERS IN MY IDOLS GET OUT REEEEE

(for every asian guy who does it because he looks cute or is having a giggle m8 I have seen creepers get the fuck out of my idols)

I mean its like clear in the EGL community, it hurts and is so nakedly transparent.

>>9698419
>we’re supposed to act like these people weren’t socialized as male
>socialized
This in itself is falling for the meme, the problem isn't how they were "socialized" but that THEY ARE MEN, physically, completely, in every way they are men who had cosmetic surgery.

Expecting them to change is like having A-cups, getting fake tits and expecting your children to be busty.

(Men raised among women or even *as girls* don't become girly, BTW. They become actually worse because they don't have a male subculture teaching them to restrain their impulses in ways that work.)

>>9698502
There are a lot of guys who like love live, if woman didnt accept you, you should look for guys who like it too
Face it, a lot of guys who likes cute anime gurls are creep dudes who jerk to hentai and has cosplay fetish.

But lets put it in another way, imagine a girl who likes yaoi keeps talking about yaoi and gay porn with guys even if they say it makes them unconfortable. Thats over top creep. I myself like yaoi a lot, but that kind of att is creep and disrespectful. And thats what lots of girls who are into cute anime faces everyday, they have to deal with the creepy hentai cosplay fetishits.

"Oh thats not fairrrr bua buaaaa" stop the bullshit

>>9698265
Gay men are typically misogynists, anon.

>>9698191
While I see your intentions are good, your post still boils down to male entitlement.

Women feel like this on a daily basis with EVERYTHING, from work to social dynamics to just going grocery shopping. They are constantly being judged due to the fact they are a woman and are perceived as xyz and are given unwanted labels and generalizations. They have to work really hard to show they are not how they are perceived and it becomes absolutely exhausting.

The fact that it is "difficult for you" sucks and we can empathize on that fact since you hate the fetishists as much as we do, but what you are feeling about this situation is how women live every single day.

It is a constant uphill battle as well, because the only thing we can do is shut down people who cause harm, be it fetishists or people who call a lolita slut/catering to pedos.

>>9698607
>Gay men are typically misogynists, anon.
Retard.

>>9698702
Nayrt but they are, you stupid piece of shit.

>>9698112
native?

>>9698702
Some of the most vitriolic misogyny I've ever experienced came from gay men. Dudes basically wanted to live in a male-only society and keep women locked away in breeding tents. On the other hand, though, my bff5eva is also a gay man and he's pretty good about not being an entitled, lecherous shit because he also often gets the short end of the stick when it comes to other men being aggressive macho assholes. Gay men can definitely be allies, but aren't necessarily all on our side.

>>9698750
Probably supposed to be "naive".

>>9698801
"Bff5eva" let me guess they're an obnoxious flamer.

>>9698802
Nah, I'm the only obnoxious flamer of the two. Most people don't realize he's gay until he introduces his boyfriend. I'm honestly glad he has no interest in wearing lolita or girly clothes of any kind because he would look like complete shit in them.

You know, I've seen many /pol/ threads harping on and on about the attitudes of women and feminists, and some of them just having it out for men, but I've never taken any of them seriously. I've always dismissed it as the rantings of misogynist virgins.

Now that I've read this, I'm not sure what to think. I'd like to think it's symptomatic of something wrong with our society, that has caused one half of our species to develop a fear and distrust for the other half, but I don't think I can say any longer that the problem is completely made up.

I mean, doxxing people because you percieved them as creepy? What the hell? What ever happened to the presumption of innocence? You don't have to associate yourself with people you don't like, and "creepiness" can be an instinct warning you of danger, but how does that justify wrecking the lives of other people who have done nothing worse than exist?

And the transphobia in this thread just reeks of Victorian-era prejudices that were originally created to oppress women in the first place. You talk about wanting to create a "sisterhood", but what about the brotherhood AND sisterhood of humanity that we're all supposed to be striving for?

I'm sorry is this post is kinda off-topic, but I can't just sit and lurk without saying something. I really am disturbed by this whole thing.

>>9698889
You've seen the level beyond twitter and tumblr feminism, a true rad fem. A completely insane brand that bend right back around to being pure prejudiced, not just ironic men suck lol to try and fit in. There is very little logic to find in their posts so don't even try, it is pure partisan gender politic by any means necessary.

Find comfort in the fact their comms hate them for being massive drama whores.

>>9697701
that's just graphic

>>9698906
I hope they don't represent the majority of this board. That is something I would actually take comfort in.

>>9698906
>>9698889
Yes, it's so ~crazy~ for women to be afraid of men. Not like men are the primary perpetrators of violence against women or there isn't a history of creeps and kinksters preying on the lolita community.
3/10 you got me to respond.

This thread gives me renewed faith in my comm and fellow cis girls. I couldn't care less if some chick with a dick is upset about it.

>>9698964
Don't know about the other anon, but *I* didn't say it was crazy. Disturbing maybe, but not crazy. And of course there's a history of creeps and perverts preying on the CGL community, but then again, a lot of communities have problems with criminals and assholes. I usually don't see that turning into perpetual fear, which in this case can only help to perpetuate the gender stereotypes that feed this problem in the first place.

This thread is absolutely beautiful. Fuck equality, fuck equal rights and values, and fuck sex and kinks all together. We should just put all the males into one continent, and all females to the other, and make the largest battle royal ever with no bars held. Nukes, allowed, Bilogicla weapons, allowed. May the last organism standing win!

This whole thread is a prime reason for why 4ch is full of cancer and why all you cowards should turn off your monitors and go outside for once.

>>9698889
>Now that I've read this, I'm not sure what to think. I'd like to think it's symptomatic of something wrong with our society, that has caused one half of our species to develop a fear and distrust for the other half, but I don't think I can say any longer that the problem is completely made up.
have you ever browsed the other boards or been anywhere else on the internet where people can post pseudoanonymously? I can totally see what you are saying in this thread, but in no way is this behaviour limited to "half of our species" - it goes the other way too in different contexts.

I don't think I have ever found a more appropriate time to post this image.

>>9699221
I'm fine with transsexual individuals. I'm not okay with people who pull the gender identity card when they're confronted about something creepy, a phenomena that occurs more in this specific crossroads of fashion and kink, I think.
Also, it's not some universal right to join an informal friend or hobby circle; my comm, for example, doesn't allow people under 16. It's not like comms are official organizations, businesses, etc. either.
The two are not the same. Gtfo with your strawman memes

we need to work together to block creeps but also be less timid. I know it's beat into us girls that being feminine means being quiet and passive but we need to find a healthy balance. be vocal and wise when danger's afoot, but don't be an abusive asshole.
anyone who truly loves the fashion, EGA EGL or ouji, is alright with me.
I don't want men or trans people barred from communities. we all need to be way better about understanding and respecting each other. anyone who can't do that should piss off. all this hateful reactionary paranoia stuff sucks ass and only divides us.
let people know when they're crossing boundaries and being weird. we aren't defenseless. nip things in the bud instead of building walls. give a speech at big open meets about what the comm will not tolerate and to speak out if you feel uncomfortable. it's a good practice when lots of new people are there.
if comms were 17 or 18+ in my opinion it'd be way easier. I also would borrow tea party rules and say anyone coming to a meet should be wearing full jfash. that's the point of meets: getting together with other people who wear lolita. no exceptions. I'd send anyone who wasn't wearing a realized coord away.
have people send coord shots before you let them join the comm. you can tell effort.

I am here for anyone who loves the fashion purely and needs to wear it. lolita is a marvelous way to enjoy femininity, and real male lolitas should be encouraged to continue their fashion journeys

Someone should email this thread to the boyscouts

>>9699612
Kek

fun thread enjoyed reading it, have a nice day

Should we start a new thread or are we done ranting?

These men never try to make a community for themselves and other men. They will only ever want in the coms because there are women there and they can try to pursue female attention or try to invole them in their sick ideas.

>>9699782
>liking girls in elaborate clothing
>sick fantasy

>>9699777
Moar

>>9699777
New thread.

>>9699853
>>9699893
New thread >>9699911

>>9699221
>both sides of normal politics can tell equally clearly that my beliefs are nonsensical and wrong
>this means I'm right!

>>9697145
I'm alwo warry of men who are not into the shit men should be into such as cars, tinkering with them, wood crafting, sports, zombies flicks, etc.
Traditional men >>>>>>>>>>> numales

Always feel like self proclaimed males "feminists" for example are just into it because they think they are going to be rewarded with pussies for being "good progressive boys."
The recent revelation of harassment coming from "progressive" men doesn't help.
I prefer the occasional light hearted sexist joke of traditional macho men over that kind of underhanded creeping.
>>9697439
they can create their own comm.

>>9702081
I feel like that is the same kind of thinking the guys who call girls with "different" interests "fake nerds" use.

to me that is a pretty shallow afterthought to your main critique of numale creeps