/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9694591
What even this cut

>>9694591
nope

i think rufflechat recently got a gigantic pile of newfags. shit is even worse than usual

>>9694925
Both of these cuts are ugly

>>9694591
sage, just here to laff at you

>>9694925
I actually like the cuts but the print doesn't interest me.

What is lolibrary doing? They haven't updated since august. Why can't we just use the old page until they're finished with the new one?
>inb4 they're doing it as volunteers
I paid them

>>9695304
Yiiiikes...they really should not have the site set to display detailed error messages like that. Not good

>>9695388
And it's just because I wanted to see everything with the color yellow

>>9695304
It has been updated anon, just in ways that you can't see (basically improvements for admins and data entry). It'll eventually be fixed, just be patient. It'd go faster if there were more developers, but currently there's only one.

Sick of people making friends for fame. I just want to hang out with other lolitas who dress well and dont hashtag everything or have their own indie brand agendas to self promote.

>>9696276
You okay there, honey?

>>9696276
They're out there. Usually not active in a comm unless they don't have friends yet.

This is actually so gorgeous

Why does Rosemarie Seoir get invited to lolita events?

Dropped pic
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>>9695436
You should change those elaborate error messages

>>9697344
I'm not the developer anon.

New Meta. Trying to decide if it's so ugly it's cute and I should get it. I'm still regretting not getting dozing cat but I thought no one in the west would like a wa release (didn't want to look like a giant weeb)

There's already an active Lolita General thread. Please post there instead >>9694745

>>9697415
It's almost in autosage, why do you care

>>9697405
Anon, that is the exact reason why I passed on Dozing Cat and I ended up regretting it so hard. After spending a while searching and paying a scalper's price, I bought the Hakama JSK and absolutely love it. For how loud of a dress it is it's very easy to tone down and wear in a more subtle/subtle-wa way that does not make me look like a huge weeb at all. I love this new release, the colors are kind of eh to me but the JSK cut in the pic is stunning. I say go for it and just re-sell it if you don't like it, I'm sure it'll be successful. (shame there's no picutures of the black colorway in this cut, yet, because I might get it...)

>>9697458
Yes there is...

>>9697415
This is the right one though

>>9694925
That print suffers of too big shapes and cartoon-forms. I want a print that looks designed for clothes, not a manga for children printed on fabric.
Taobao sellers do this all the time. Some indie brands are learning, though

>>9697467
Awhhhh shit, I wasn't able to find that the other day when I looked.

My poor wallet... it's fantastic...

Financial babby needing some advice.

I opened my first credit card a few months ago and last week made my first purchase on it; I bought a blouse from Maiden Clothing. I paid with the new card, payment went through fine (at least their payment link said so) and then no update. I asked them a couple days ago if the payment was fine, they said it was, and today I received the blouse. However, it's been almost two weeks and no transactions have shown up on my card. The balance is still $0.00 and when I look online at the activity there's no records of anything. Is this normal? Will it not show up until the statement date or did I somehow just not get charged for it? Has anyone experienced this with Maiden Clothing or another shop before?

>>9697627
Maiden probably waits to batch out their CC transactions, or your cc waits until it generates a statement at the end of the month.

>>9697576
It literally always was and people on this board are just fucking stupid.

>>9697458
What colorway dozing cat do you have? I feel like if I get this, I need to get the purple or red just because they're so bold and unique. The black is too subtle imo

>>9694591
Probably a retarded question, but what do these bows look like on? I can't remember and I can only find pictures with the bow on top of the head

>>9697651
....I have all three. If you want photos of any of them let me know and I'll take some. The purple on this new release is fantastic, but I think the subtly of the black might be best for me. As far as Dozing Cat goes, black is the best. That print is a total eye-assault, though, so if you're wanting a toned down version of that one then the ivory is the way to go, then black, then red (most abrasive, in my opinion).

>>9697405
This looks much better than the cat one but it's still a weeb dress

It surprises me how some of the Moitie things from 2010-2011 have an 82 cm bust on lolibrary. I've heard this is a mistake from the company itself, so does anyone know the *true* bust measurements of these dresses? I know they'll never fit me (I'm a 95 cm rip) but it would be nice to know since I believe an 82 cm dress could only fit a child?

Pic related, this is one of those dresses with that measurement.

>>9697818
>I believe an 82 cm dress could only fit a child?
Can you not? Really anon, just because you're fat doesn't mean everyone else is. Japanese people walk a lot so it's difficult to be out of shape there unless you don't go anywhere or have lots of money.

>>9697818
It varies from every release. From what I can remember about the one pictured, that one was really particularly small and 82 was the absolute max. However, I've had non-shirred pieces go up to 92 cm and the shirred pieces usually go over that. I think you'd be able to fit a few pieces, but you'd have to ask someone who owns them what the real measurements are.

>>9697818
>82cm could only fit a child.

I'm 167cm, 56kg, rather broad even with a wide rib cage and my bust is 84cm. Is it reeeeally so much of a stretch to think a 154cm Japanese girl wouldn't be 2cm smaller?

>>9697195
I wonder this, as well. Her stuff is ugly and doesn't quality as lolita or otome-kei at all. I'm so unexcited whenever I see her on a guest list of an event I want to attend.

>>9697666
Yes!! I would love to see the different colorways next to each other if you have good lighting.

>>9696276
You just described two of my friends, lol.

>>9696511
Uh do you have eyes?

>>9697576
Everyone ended up posting in the other and it has more posts, therefore it is the correct thread. Stop being so salty that people didn't use your thread.

>>9697818
>I believe an 82 cm dress could only fit a child
LOL, spoken like a true fatty.

>>9697818
Lmao anon, 82 cm/32 inches is a common band size. Plus, the mannequin and that dress are clearly very small. It's not a mistake just because you can't fit into it.

>>9697818
>32 inch bust
>could only fit a child??????

my bust right under my breasts is less then 32
and my true bust is only 36 because I have naturally bigger breasts.

If you have bigger boobs like me you'll just have to come to terms with the fact that most brand dresses won't fit over your cow tits and you'll have to either get them altered or only buy dresses that can stretch. If you're chubby then lose some weight and don't bitch that things don't fit you when you're over weight.

>>9697818
bruh I'm 33 in'

>>9697818
82 cm anon here. This whole time I thought I was an adult woman, but by your logic I guess I'm actually a child. I mean, sorry you're fat but you don't have to be one of those "ur not a REAL woman unless you have currrrrrves" assholes. Just go wear Haenuli or something.

>>9695304
Because the old site was being hacked by spammers on a regular basis and couldn't be kept online for more than a couple hours.

>>9695421
Type Yellow into the search box. It searches colorways, brand names, cuts, tags, etc.

Angelic Pretty Yellow JSK will show all yellow AP JSKs for example.

>>9697826
>>9697840
>>9698002
>>9698006
>>9698037
>>9698070
>>9698085
>triggering this many people over a dumb comment
>also implying im fat cause i have the large tiddy curse
You all need to calm your tiny tits :^) it was a joke, I know Japanese girls can fit those sizes

Also if you all implied that I was going to even bother squeezing myself into something I clearly don't fit into, you're all stupider than I thought kek

>>9697837
Thank you anon! I'll go ahead and do some research on the true sizes, I read somewhere that some of the dresses were not true to the measurements listed on the webshop so I was wondering that

>>9698140
>i-it was just a joke!!!!
>i-i'm definitely not FAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

yup, nice save fatso

>>9698144
Whatever helps you sleep better at night, sweetie

>>9698140
>Guys you should know that anything I say that I regret later is of course a hilarious joke

>>9698140
>haha i was just pretending to be a retard

>>9698140

>granted most of this kind of whining comes from fatties, however:

I really don’t understand why people get so butthurt over someone mentions that some old or very small brand could fit children. Have none of you met people of different sizes or ethnicities? It’s not uncommon for some people (not Asians obviously) to size out of the smaller end of brand WHILE in children’s sizes. If you’re from an ethnicity or bloodline where most people top 6’ - lots of American midwesterners, North African folks, Scandinavians just off the top of my head - 84cm DOES look like a child’s size for the children of people that correspondingly large. Fat doesn’t have to have anything to do with it.

>>9698207
The "it's small enough for children!" comments strike me as making the people who say it more ignorant about different sizing in people than the people complaining about it. It makes them sound like they find it inconceivable that someone could be that size.

Also 80cm bust isn't even THAT small. Like it's small, but it's not tiny

>>9698207
because fatties/anybody who isn't small enough to fit into whatever is being talked about is attempting to imply that whoever CAN fit isn't "womanly". it's unnecessary and obviously comes from a place of insecurity. especially since that anon's stupid post came right after all of the RC bullshit where some whale said that anybody who can fit into burando has a child body or whatever.

>m-muh curves!!!
>WOMANHOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

>>9698219
>>9698209
Like I said, granted it’s mostly Real Women™ Fatties that make that complaint, but I’m just sitting here like... yeah? I make children’s clothes and that is a child size???

>>9698207
>an 82 cm dress could only fit a child
>only
Any size can be "child size" if you go high enough into the XXXXXXLs. People are calling this anon out because of their stupidity in assuming that ONLY children can fit that size. No one is saying that children CAN'T fit that size.

>>9698233
kind of pushing it because it's an XXL child size, anon. that's an abnormally large child.

>>9698237
>>9698234
No I totally agree the “ONLY children can wear it” argument is ridiculous, ever meet an Asian person?? But it’s pretty “normal” for children of some ethnicities to be that big or bigger in junior high or even elementary school. That’s all I’m pointing out.

So we've all learned that children come in different shapes and sizes.

>>9697840
Not a stretch at all. I'm 170 cm, 50 kg, and 32B-C depending on the brand. I'm taller than average and while my boobs aren't huge, they're also not tiny or flat. Getting so fed up with fatties calling us
>childrun's bodies
>bones for the dog
>not enjoying life
etc. Wish they'd stop projecting their own inadequacies, insecurities, and jealousy on others. Japanese sizes are going to be smaller, it's not rare for women in Japan to have a 28 underbust. It's not "too tiny" or any of that claptrap if the average height is 158 cm.

>>9698173
>>9698207
Contrary to popular myth, scandinavians aren't that huge. Icelanders are definitely not, and the tallest Europeans are the Dutch. And even in the Netherlands the average height for women is 5'7, still a long way off "topping 5 ft". And while fatter than East Asians, continental Europeans are still not as fat as My 600 lb Life midwesterners, that's more an anglophile phenomenon. Calling adult women child-bodied just because you're fat is offensive, it's not rocket science.

>These women are child-sized
is one step away from
>people not attracted to fatties, muh curves, are pedophiles
Which is hypocritical since most fatties aren't attracted to other fatties and want fit partners too.

>>9698259
*topping 6 ft

>>9698207

Because calling an adult a child is a common insult in most cultures. I know 4chan tends to go to the extreme with their smaller tiddy insults (as 4chan goes) but do we really have to explain to you why the fuck 'you have the boobs of a kiddy' is an insult. Really autistic anon?

>>9698251
The projecting is the worst for real.
>I lost over 75 lbs over the last year
>extremely happy because now I'm no longer in the obese or overweight category
>As a result all of my chokers now flip around until they are backwards since my neck is much smaller
>A larger woman at work points it out to me and I make a passing comment about my neck getting smaller due to weight loss
>woman starts saying things like "well that's what happens when you don't eat enough"
>as she leaves she says "Here's to hoping you eat more in the future"

The fuck stop trying to drag me back down to your level

you all sound pretty hypocritical. the original comment was dumb and rude but do you all think you're better than the op if you call them fat or make fun of their tits? the double standards on /cgl/ are incredible

if someone bigger says something about tiny girls, they round them up like sheep in the corner and get them all rowdy, but a tiny person says something about someone bigger (as if 95 cm was fucking HUGE, especially in western countries) its all like "haha funny, edgy joke anon!"

don't go preaching about "respecting small women" when you're the first bitch to degrade women of other sizes

>>9698316
>t. fat sjw
and yes, i know i'm better than the OP because i'm not a landwhale.

and....derailed

>>9697818
I own this dress and it actually is 82 cm max.

I really like that oldschool way of pairing of black/brown shoes with predominantly light coloured dresses, does anyone have good examples of more modern coords with the same styling? Just as a starting point. I like the look but don't want to look ita

>>9698101
Typing something into the search box and actually using the tag/category doesn't give the same results

>>9698445
Seconding this and bonus points if they don't have black hair

>>9698316
It's not just about disrespect to other women, it's also about racism. Sure, Asian women in general are much smaller than the average American woman, but calling them cute and child-like because of that is belittling and offensive on top of reinforcing racial stereotypes, which is ironic since most of these comments come from people who call themselves SJWs.

>>9698445
last time i saw someone do this they were shit on for it in the ita thread
the coord was really cute too

>>9698475
Gtfo SJW-chan. Seriously, stop ruining the lolita general.

Any of you posted your favourite Meta to linstagram yet?

Just noticed it says 2016. Is It that long since I last checked their webshop..?
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>>9697193
>>9697908
They are ''neo lolita''

>>9698481
Try fitting into Moitie.

>>9698475
People who call themselves SJWs are trolls, dimwit

Which brands would you say are most on trend and current besides AP? I noticed VM also tries to follow trends sometimes, pic related (I never paid attention to them before).

>>9698140
>I was going to even bother squeezing myself into something I clearly don't fit into
I mean, fat and big-fitted women do this pretty much all the time so I don’t know why you’d think this is an outrageous assumption.

>>9698475
So many girls in my comm will flip their shit at anyone or anything percieved as racist against PoC but will then turn around and whine that Asian women are all flat-chested and shaped like children and that’s oppressive to muh European body types. It’s pretty gross. Not to mention completely inaccurate, since practically our entire comm is European and plenty of us fit Japanese brands just fine.

TFW you’re on Fril/Mercari browsing for second hand brand items and you see people selling their taobao dresses a la Diamond Honey and To Alice. Who says Japanese lolitas don’t buy Taobao, with Wunderwelt acting as a reseller I think it’s become a lot more accessible for them besides the usual methods we use.

Inb4 there are Chinese lolitas that live in Japan and resell their dresses, but it’s a phenomena that I’ve seen over the past year, and it’s pretty telling evidence.

>>9698207
I know I can fit into large kids clothes but my body ain't like a kid's.

>>9699127
Nobody says that

>>9699127
They didn’t use to, but now Taobao brands are in their magazines so yeah you are slow on the change in habits.

>>9698140
Sure thing cowtits. Have fun never fitting in cute clothes :^)

>>9697943
Sorry for the delay and sorry if the photos post huge, but this is accurate to the colors of all three. I have the red OP up for sale right now since the fit of the JSKs is better.

>>9697943
>>9699184

Here's the waist ties laid out. As you can see the ivory and off-white mesh together the easiest and make the dress not so loud. The black looks the most contrasted here, but when the bright white and red all over is the main pattern it's more loud than the black.

so im just getting into lolita (been into it for 4 years but never bought anything) i was wondering what color of shoes i should get for Kira Kira Parfait One piece.

>>9699127
I mean yeah, non-lolita taobao brands like Stars Rainbow, Bobon21, and Nonori set up shop in Japan years ago and have been succesful. Why would this be any different?

Does anyone know if cc ever restocks their selection of chocomint accessories?

>>9699149
Sorry, worded it a bit ambiguously, what I mean is western lolitas have this image that Japanese people buy burando only, therefore taobao brands are poor substitutes, I don't mean to generalise of course, however people on RC tend to shit on taobao brands for being worse quality. Imho you pay for what you get.

>>9699218
Yeah not saying it's any different, just saying some people on FB have some weird ideas about Japanese lolitas buying habits. Glad gulls are more observant.

>>9699164
>have fun never fitting in cute clothes
Most of my wardrobe is brand and I have some Moitie stuff, try again you dolt

>>9698776
I mean, I did point out in my original post that my bust measurements clearly were not going to match up to the ones for the dress, so it's pretty dumb to assume I would if I said I wouldn't. I'm aware bigger girls do it all the time but it doesn't mean everyone will

>>9699323
the fact that you made the post in the first place tells us something is wrong with you

>>9699216
It would depend on which colorway you have, but I say red is a safe bet for all of them and in general looks really nice with that overall theme/style.

https://twitter.com/_putumayo_/status/932444157263486976
So prepare for another round of billion "jfashion is dead!!11" posts.

>>9699310
I for one don't value the buying habits of Japanese girls over the buying habits of anyone else. some taobao is cool, and I own some really good taobao, but I actually get slightly furious when I see taobao listings under brand tags online. when I'm 2ndhand shopping on Japanese platforms I only want to see well-designed quality pieces that stand the test of time. it's a waste of my time when a search is clogged with stuff I don't want.
There's just no quality control with taobao. some really nice indie brands use the platform, and I'm grateful. but I am getting so tired of the flood of bad stuff. like, I often end up kind of grumpy after browsing Lupdates, because there are so many terrible designs and amateur construction, and 90% is the same exact printed material and meh-tier lace over and over again. a new shop pops up every day, offering only dresses. like, not even a fully realized series with nice matching accessories. just a jsk/op, maybe a blouse.

Watch this and you'll see what I mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkTKJGhfEyk
take note of how pieces move when the models are in motion, how they lay on the body, the shapes of the skirts...the differences are glaring between established brand and others.
I do not hate all taobao but we need to be honest about the quality comparison. the attention to detail, the obsession with quality fabric, that is rarely there. a lot of these "brands" are just trend hoppers praying on newbies and/or plus people with underdeveloped taste. period. good way to make a buck in such an expensive hobby.

>>9699330
Even the online store?

>>9699368
>I often end up kind of grumpy after browsing Lupdates

I'm glad I'm not the only one. To me taobao is more trouble than it's worth for inconsistent quality. I trust Japanese brands because I've been to their stores, but with taobao it's kind of a gamble when you can't see it in person. Not to mention loads of the stuff posted to lolita updates is downright ugly and bizarre. So many girls there whine about how jp brands don't take risks compared to taobao/indie, but it makes sense considering that that jp brands use higher quality materials, have better attention to detail and don't cut so many corners. It's just not worth doing all that for something risky and weird that might not sell.

I really wish there was a group or something to discuss strictly brand releases. Am I the only one?

>>9699330
I don't think a lot of people will miss Putomayo, it was never that popular (at least in the west, don't know about Japan)

>>9699307
It is mostly shit quality. The fact that you pay less for that doesn't change the overall quality.

>>9699330
I mean...I can kinda see why. They're not quite there gothic, punk, or lolita wise, and they were more similar to PN/BPN in terms of having really hit and miss items at a pretty high price point. I also think they just didn't really move with the times and capitalise on the Chinese lolitas, there's so many new trends within jfash that they already looked dated several years ago.

>tfw 95 cm bust
>tfw ribs are showing
Why people call each other fat just looking at measurements? It's silly

>>9699565
because only fat people would look at measurements smaller than theirs and think "only children can fit this!!!"

>>9699535
I will miss it, they had a lot of casual and good quality stuff for a decent price

>>9699596
Yes the children comment was stupid and unnecessary. I mean I have a 95cm bust too, but I know ppl my height who definitely are smaller than this. It's just abt how one is build and a larger or smaller chest doesn't indicate if someone is either a fatty or ana

>>9699602
Yea, I don't think people were calling that anon fat because she had a 95 cm bust, it's because of her comment.

>>9699603
Yes I see that. I also kinda think anon wanted some kind of validation by making that stupid comment

Will i get fucked if i order from bodyline right now? there's just a few tiny things i wanna nab before the website goes completely south

>>9699188
I see what you mean, the ivory is very bold but I love the black. Thanks!

>>9699606
Never expect anything good from bodyline

>>9699370
>Therefore, we will close the online shop on December 10, 2017.
In fact it closes before the irl ones.

>>9699368
It's because everyone wants cheaper and cheaper products, but doesn't understand that it comes at a cost. They'll make it with slave labor, cheaper materials and dump their waste in rivers. All for your cheap dress.

How do you build a cohesive wardrobe?

I started buying lolita clothing roughly three years ago and I feel like my wardrobe is just getting worse. Nothing really goes together so I buy more things to go with each main-piece. I tried focusing on 2-3 colors for a while, but stuff ends up being different shades that don't go together so I gave up on that pretty quickly. Pic related are the main-pieces I wear most often.

>>9699774
I feel if you have mainly black stuff to pair with you are alright. Black would match everything but wonder story. So black shoes, blouse, accessories , etc.

For wonder story or other sweet dresses you'll really have to invest to get things that match. If you have 2 aesthetic wardrobes that's fine. But just know it costs a lot to get started since you need to invest in getting the basics in matching stuff

I've been lolita for the same amount of time and I've done alright. My main style is sweet and I only bought sax/lav/ or pink stuff. I've only very recently started adding black to my wardrobe because the investment is intimadating. But its been good

It's that time of year again... The requirements for buying the ticket have changed (no minimum purchase required) and the dress code is laidout / explained abit differently. Also they are not using the word "anniversary" on the ticket, which I find interesting. It is the same weekish as that event, so I'm assuming it's the same thing.

>>9699774
Maybe focus on getting the number of colors you use for blouses and legwear down to one or two colors? My main pieces are all over, but my legwear and blouses are all cream.

>>9699774
Sorry I'm on mobile I thought the red dress had black in it not chocolate. You have so many different basics you need to buy for lmao.

Like I said I wear sweet but I've stayed away from chocolate so far. I love it but again it's an investment to get a bunch of brown items because I don't have them.

>>9699779
>>9699781
I already have stuff to match everything I posted. My problem is that I really want a more cohesive wardrobe but don't know how to go about it. How do I decide which colors and style to stick to? I feel like I have to give up sweet or goth and I can't decide.
>it costs a lot
This is one of the reasons, plus I don't have any space left. It's tiring to look through my wardrobe. Besides the favorites that I posted, I have a lot of things that only go well with 1 blouse or 1 cardigan.

>>9699791
If you don’t have space you do need to choose. Or at least do the do the in between stuff like HL. Be critical about what doesn’t match, if you cannot match it work with the whole it needs to go.

>>9698445
I found a couple on CoF. I've also seen a fair number of people pair dark jackets or sweaters with white dresses and dark shoes. Are you interested in that or not so much?

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>>9699817

I haven't been in lolita in about five years but I've been pulled back.
I was looking through all the second hand sites and I noticed mbok is kinda dead now? Am I missing something or did the Japanese lolitas migrate? Why does AP only have 172 results, why does IW have 14

>>9699908
It's all shifted to fril and mercari. I hate it.

>>9699127
I also noticed yesterday that closetchild has a huge bunch of Taobao brands on their list, although there's almost nothing actually on sale in their online shop (yet?) apart from some ToAlice.

When do the lucky pack and oddment pack timeframe start?

>>9699955
sad

>>9699774
Genuine honesty here, anon, only two of these look any good at all (WS and the skirt). I’d be curious to see some coords because I have a feeling your style tends toward incoherence with this assortment.

My honest advice if the rest of your wardrobe is this mismatched, is to find the most honest critic friend you have (or solicit one online, like the Mentoring group on FB) and go through your entire wardrobe (including blouses, shoes, accessories), and chuck 80% of it and start over. You can’t make a coherent wardrobe out of this, but it’s relatively easy to build one from scratch.

>>9700025
Stop acting superior, you just have different taste. The Moitie and Alice Auaa dresses are perfect.

>>9699955
They have sold some other Taobao brands in the past. I believe I have seen Infanta and Quaint Lass for sale on CC. They mostly don’t mention the brand though, at least for the ones I saw.

>>9700037
Sorry, not all brand looks good just because it’s brand, and it certainly doesn’t look good *with all other brand* just because it’s brand. She wants a coherent wardrobe. You can’t make one with this grouping.

>>9700049
Those dresses look good though. I would get rid of the ETC and AP, but I can admit that it's because of my own style.

Don't see a stupid questions thread currently being around, so figured I'd ask here. Saw this on Mercari and already sent a message to my SS to buy it, but I'm honestly having trouble finding this on Lolibrary or identifying this at all. Anyone know what series it's from or want to slap me over the head for being blind on Lolibrary? Recently on LM a girl selling the Osanpo-chan skirt paired it with a beret that seemed to match this skirt so I can ask her if no one knows at least.

>>9699774
>>9699791

It sounds like you need to cut down your wardrobe, yes, but it’s not necessary to limit substyle/ colour, especially if it’s already proven not to work for you.

Start by figuring out how many items you can keep, how many clothes hangers, how many shoes, handbags. This is your hard limit, when you approach this number, stop buying until you get a grip.

Consider how often you wear lolita, and how many main pieces you really need. Only monthly meets, 5+ dresses is enough. If you do casual lolita weekends and monthly meets, maybe 20+ dresses. This is your target number, when you start going over this number, it’s time to do another wardrobe cull.

As for culling, use the kon mari method. Keep those 5 dresses, get rid of everything that only has one coord (or at least, critique it really harshly. Don’t keep anything that isn’t a perfect fit and perfectly flattering on you). Don’t keep something purely sentimental, if you need to, take photos of it then sell it — the dresses you never wear will only become moth food. Keep culling until you're close to target.

Once those are out the door, things get easier. Don’t buy something unless it matches 3 of your existing items. This is much easier than you think. For eg white high collar blouses go with almost every substyle. Solid black pieces, regardless of style, can often be paired with a set of pinks (pink blouse/cardi/bolero, pink bag, pink shoes, white socks), and you can reuse that set for pastel sweet dresses. This applies to main pieces as well. Bought a new dress and it doesn’t go with anything else in your wardrobe? Don’t bother buying new things for it. Sell the jsk.

To help you keep track of what’s in your wardrobe, you could look into apps like closet+ or stylebook, but I know some girls just clip the stock photos to pinterest or whatever.

That's it. Only buy things that you can already coord with, and cull often to stay under target.

>>9700065
This, get rid of the AP dress and the ETC dress and it's not 100% coherent but at least solidly in the gothic department. They could easily go into a blue/black wardrobe route from those items.

>>9700067
Have a slap on the head, it's called Mode Girl Skirt, I found it very quickly so you can't have looked too hard

So the crystal.cafe secrets are on. No surprise, they suck.

>>9700078
Ah how embarassing, thank you though anon. I got too stuck on thinking it was gray.

>>9699127
I see a lot of those from Chinese sellers because their Japanese is bad and they scalp the hell out of everything

Gulls I had a terrible experience today in Toronto. I'm visiting not from the area but from what I know there's a large comm there.
I was wearing a full coord, not ott but definitely not casual, with a light creme coloured coat. A man came behind me from nowhere as i was entering a store, pulled my pigtails (practically ripped my fucking hair out he pulled so hard) and threw me to the ground, half in the doorway. The door also closed on me at that point.
It's already winter in Canada and I landed in a disgusting puddle, the door left black grease, my whole outfit is ruined. Even my socks got covered in muddy stains.
The guy must've been crazy he came out of nowhere. He basically sprinted off after and a nice middle aged lady called the cops for me and helped me up, and the people in the store were really nice and got me bandages because my hands got pretty scraped up during the fall.
I spent most of the day at the police station and they pulled the store tapes of the entrance to try and catch the guy...
I just cant stop crying now. Pretty much an entire outfit of Baby and AP ruined, I'm going to see what a dry cleaner can do but it looks really bad. My head is throbbing and so is my knee and im not sure if i hit the doorframe with my head or not.
I... dont want to leave the house again. I'll be in TO for another couple months visiting family but i guess ill spend the whole time in sweatpants and sulk about it.

>>9700428
Today in things that didn't happen...

>>9700428
What store where you at when this happened?

>>9700431
rude but thanks for the input
>>9700439
It was on Queen west and sells irregular choice shoes, i think it was called Original or The Original. It was rec'd to me by my mom in law who I'm in town visiting because she thought id like the "rockabilly harakukus" stuff

>>9700428
For grease stains use paint thinner

>>9700464
what would that do to my creme wool/poly ap coat? im just hoping the dry cleaners can fix it up, id rather pay more and have it come out right than try something at home

>>9700428
Hey anon, Toronto-gull here. I'm really sorry that happened to you, people are usually pretty nice about lolita here. Are you staying in Queen West? I live right around that area if you feel like chilling with some locals!

>>9700476
I might reach out to the comm at some point. ill be here somewhere between 2 and 3 months. I'm just not used to being attacked ever, ive been wearing lolita for over 7 years and i feel like i live in a worse area than this. I'm still in shock. I kind of just want to hide in my guest room until christmas

>>9700037
Alice auaa isn't even a lolita brand. Don't get me wrong, I like the clothes too, but it falls into fetish and romantic goth.
Stop buying random pieces and think about whether or not you can use it to build a coord with what you already have. Impulse buying won't help you. All 5 of those dresses fall into different styles. It might be helpful to learn more about lolita styles because it seems you're still confused.

>>9700428
Shoot me an email, I'd like to add you to the comm and join us in our events.

>>9700500
if the group is SOL im already in it, thanks anon unless theres another comm?

So this is probably old news, but what happened to fyeahlolita? Is Caro no longer blogging?
All of the people whose blogs I used to read have either died or stopped blogging.

How long does the Dreamholic storenvy take to ship out? I bought some wigs during their bogo 50% off sale on the 10th and haven't heard anything since. I won't be home the next 5 days or so and I'm worried my package will get sent back if it's been shipped already.

Anyone else enjoy thinking about the economics of lolita? I'm especially intrigued and frightened by the bigger trends. In a way, we get a very first hand look at the way China will change the global economy in the next decade or so. The rise of Chinese commerce sites like Taobao and Alibaba/express; the rise of Chinese designers and brands; the death of the middlemen (people already buy their shit from Amazon, Ebay, Ali, Taobao, even normies); and pressure on/death of even established brands/stores due to increased competition and changing models. Many films are Chinese backed now, so it's not only lolita that I see this in. I think there will be a great cultural shift, there already is. I'm not sure I'm ready

>>9699924
I've not been paying attention to loli news but mercari is so so much easier to buy from if u live in japan. I actually can't understand why SS's refuse to or fail to buy from mercari. There are no auctions or bids, and if you really have to comment first you can just write a generic template message and copy it every time you want to make a purchase. If i were an SS i'd so much rather offer mercari than auction services.

saw the ad on h.naoto's fb and went to look, only to find that those wings are the same shitty lace wings sold on taobao for mega cheap? why would I wanna pay $200 for that shit baka

>>9700668
because it's ~burando~ and automatically better than anything from taobao!

>>9700664
It’s because Shopping Services aren’t allowed to be on mercari. Mercari is not for commercial purposes.
You already see people adding in the descriptions that the sale item is not for resell purposes. Shich I believe is to scare down SS’s and such. Yet I also see Japanese girl buy the cheap dresses and then reselling them for 10,000-30,000¥ more.

All those newbie Lolita’s entering Lolita groups, who claim Circus Lolita is their favourite Lolita substyle, make me cringe.

Nobody replied in the other thread and there's no dress ID thread so i'll ask here- Does anyone know the name of this OP? Any help be greatly appreciated!!

>>9700778
Somebody literally did though, yoke-switched a-line

>>9700780
???? Thanks anyway though

>>9700786
My bad, somebody asked in the other lolita general about the exact same picture

>>9700790
All good haha, I get confused as well with two generals up

>>9699307
There are poorfags and itas in Japan, too.

>>9700653
I like everything about it except that knowing where stuff was made and by whom might become even less transparent

>>9700629
I once had to wait six months for them to ship so yeah, good luck with that. Ordering through Taobao is quicker.

>>9700799
Ugh, that sucks. Ordered through there because they had some wigs I wanted the taobao didn't. I guess I'll file a claim if there's no response after a few weeks.

>>9700653
I'm really interested in this too. How much profit do Chinese lolita brands make? How much employees do they have? How do they keep costs so low, besides the obvious less fabric and less details? In my country you can easily look this info up about local companies.

>>9699330
I've never bought anything from them, not just because I'm too worried about the quality to buy from them online, but because the name conjures up the image of whores and mayonaise, instead of a region in Colombia.

>>9700813
I think anyone in China can make their own ''brand'' on taobao, just call up a manufacturer and send them your lolita sketches. I think most of them don't even do sample collections. Every Chinese blogger has their own ''brand'' now.

>>9699619
This.

>>9700879
Which makes me wonder if there are any specific companies they use to have their stuff made?

>>9700899
There are thousands of manufacturers. A bunch of them have experience with lolita, so they don't need much to make a shitty sketch into a dress. Some manufacturers started "designing" their own (taking images from the internet and putting them on existing lolita patterns). A lot of them are not really into fashion hence those brands don't have a recognizable aesthetic.

>>9697995
Nayrt but not anymore, the lurid mint melted them out of my skull and am now blind

>>9700795
Less transparent than it already is? We still don't know where most of our stuff is made. The label is literally the last place it touched. I'd really like to know who put together garments, not who put the label on.

>>9700516
Caro still runs a tumblr by the same name afaik but she doesn't blog any more. It's sweet of her to maintain the domain tho.

I'm sure someone's going to flip shit on me because of drama I'm not aware of, but I tend to check these blogs lately:
>Cupcake Kamisama
>It's Vanilla Bear
>Rainedragon
>RorisRamblings (does blog post roundup a you can use to find other blogs)
>Emiiichan (Liz Lisa and Himekaji)
>Hellolizziebee (Gyaru)

And there's a fair number of bloggers I stumble onto here and there. Just check round ups and Lolita Carnival posts

>>9700994
I knew about all of those blogs, not a huge fan of most.
Thanks, though.

>>9700999
Tbqh the current blog outlook is slim pickings. Unfortunately, I think it may have a bit to do with the current focus on "lolita for the pics" culture and not having as much substance to the fashion. It makes it hard to really write about much beyond hauls and six-ways-to-wear-x.

>>9700981
Yes. There's an ongoing trend in my country for businesses to produce sustainable products and for consumers to be more aware. If taobao (cheap, questionable materials, fakes) becomes more popular than the current ideals here it'll become a race to the bottom.

>>9700653
Don't worry too much. China will never dominate western (or Japanese) culture. The younger generation is already growing up entitled and nobody wants to do farm or factory work anymore. Cheap labor will be less and less important to their economy. Everyone who is not piss poor is pumping their money into the property market. Everything they built is falling apart after a few years and not meant to last. So it's rinse and repeat - invest, build and destroy. They can't sustain this model forever once all the cheap menial labor is gone.

>>9701065
>The younger generation is already growing up entitled and nobody wants to do farm or factory work anymore.
Not to be rude, but how is building a middle class going to destroy their contribution to culture? You are literally describing how countries like Japan became relevant.

>>9701070
The real problem is that the Chinese do not value quality that can last for a few generations, you already see this in their inheritance laws (property owenership can't exceed 70 years for most cases). The middle class is mainly suffering from this model since they have to live in shitty buildings that are falling apart after some years, since they know that the next generation will not have much use of it anymore. Meanwhile the cost of living is artifically driven up because of all the investment in property so they are forced to take the scraps that they can still afford. Also the constant demolition and building new scheme is draining on recources and the environment. it's not really how you create a high quality society in my eyes.

What's a good blouse to main piece ratio?

>>9701111
Depends on what your OP to JSK/SK ratio is. Mine is roughly 2 main pieces per 1 blouse, but I own a lot of OPs, some of which also double as blouses.

>>9701099
>Chinese do not value quality that can last for a few generations
mmmm yes and fast fashion and disposable goods are brand new to western culture

>>9701065
>Everyone who is not piss poor is pumping their money into the property market.
>mfw none of my working friends can get a loan to buy a house and my parents have to sell their house to a business
At least piss poor people can wear lolita?

>>9701175
They're talking about people in China, anon.

A few threads ago I said I would review pic related when it arrived, its here but im not sure how to go about it? Just a saged image dump along side the review is fine right?

>>9701223
you could put it all in an image if you're crafty. pics and text in MS paint or something?

>>9701223
is it kind of shiny?

How do atelier boz's women's shorts usually fit? I'm thinking of getting the special set this year but my hips are usually bigger than the average Japanese girl. I fit into most MM, moitie and VM fine but those are all dresses that don't need to be fit at the hips and legs. I have looked at other boz shorts and they would be a few cm too small if the listing is accurate.

This is a random question but how much space could an AP velvet set (skirt + jacket) conceivably take up as a package? I'm trying to figure out what the most cost efficient way of shipping it from tenso would be, I'm not sure if it'll fit as a small package, if not I'll just consolidate it with other crap. Doubt Tenso's customer service will tell me how big it is.

>>9701556
that should definitely fit in sal small packet, 2 dresses and a few small accessories is about the max for small packet so I'd say you're good.

Test

I was trying to look for this reservation but I couldn't find anything under the shop name listed in Chinese Lolita updates.

>>9701560
>>9701556
It's velvet though anon. I'm also not sure it'll fit and do you really want to risk creating permanent creases in the velvet? I wouldn't do it if I were you anon.

>>9701582
You failed.

>>9701593
Oh, I never knew that could happen with velvet. Do you know if velveteen is the same? I have a velveteen jsk but the straps are shirred so I have it folded instead of hung up. If that can cause creases I'll store it flat.

>>9700999
Curious why you don't like some of them? Is it the content or just the people themselves?

>>9701599
It's less of a risk with velveteen as the pile is generally shorter. As long as it's not getting pressed by items on top of it, it should be fine.

>>9701223
I don't have mine anymore because I sold it right when I got it, but it's pretty poor quality. It's super cute, but the release ran small so mine didn't fit, the material is pretty bad, and overall it's just a cheap dress. Cute, but alright. I got the black one and the material is that black printed on white crap that gets the white lines in it. Overall it was a let down, but hey, it's cheap Taobao so I still like it, would buy one that fit if the price is right.

>>9701223
>>9701849
lol doyyyy I thought you were asking for a review; sorry, misread the post and added my unnecessary review.

>>9701820
Nayrt, but similar feelings. The content gets pretty dull to read, so I generally just look at the pictures.

>>9701153

Not to mention that apartments get shitty after the same amount of time in the US if anon has any experience at all renting.

>>9701950
I'm guessing you anons have never been to China.

>>9701950
Oh jesus christ, this is so untrue that it's laughable. https://youtu.be/_lAoTBVTTO8?t=2m51s is a pretty good example of how chinese apartments are maintained, and even shitty us apartments are maintained better because otherwise people would get sue happy.

>>9701906
Thanks. Am a blogger so want to find ways to keep readers engaged. It's hard I think bc people complain that there's not many of us but also don't really have solid suggestions for content or think it's too much trouble to read compared to watching a video? I'm just trying to find the right swim lane.

>>9701506
They're quite small from having tried them on. I fit women's boz sizes in everything but trousers. Those listings are likely accurate.

What constitutes as “wearing lolita” on a day to day basis?
I just wore a fully shirred jsk today, no blouse, no petti, no headwear, etc and didn’t even leave my house. Is that “wearing lolita”? Or does it have to be a full coord?

I’m easing myself in to wearing it daily after a few years of wearing it less than once a month, but I just realised today that my comfy outfit was literally just a jsk being worn as a sundress.
I’m not too concerned with labels but I’m curious to what extent “daily lolitas” on here dress up each day.

>>9702024
i think you answered your own question, it's not lolita if you're just wearing the main piece without any other elements of a lolita coordinate. i wear lolita very frequently but still follow the main piece + blouse (if applicable) + petti + legwear + headwear formula. it all needs to be there to count.

>>9702024
I prefer wearing OPs as part of my daily wear because they're easier to just throw on and look put together with minimal effort, but JSKs+blouses are fine too. My style is simple (no prints, a lot of black) and my wardrobe is cohesive so it's easy to wear daily without fussing too much with accessories and making sure that everything matches.
I think it's fine if it's not a full coord, and wearing a JSK like a sundress can be okay depending on what JSK it is; for example, pic related is super cute on its own, I can see it working without a blouse and minimal accessories. Just remember that this isn't like throwing on a t-shirt and jeans, you should put in the minimal effort of styling your hair and wearing makeup too.

>>9701593

how would you go about flattening a velveteen piece? i have a velveteen jsk on its way to me and I know it'll arrive creased at the very least. can you like steam it or iron it on the reverse or something?

>>9699478

Me too, but honestly you could probably salvage Lolita Updates if that one Chinese girl would just fuck off and get a job instead of spamming Weibo updates all day.

>>9702074
That probably is her job

>>9702052
I place a fluffy towel on the ironing board, then iron with damp pressing cloth on low-medium heat on the back of the garment.

>>9700776
I've not shopped for lolita on mercari yet (so i may be wrong) but i've bought stuff weeb shit with my profile clearing stating that i'm a foreigner living in japan and sometimes i even tell them i'm buying the item upon the request of someone from my country.

The general response seems to be good, i get polite generic questions and compliments about being a foreigner. nobody turned me down for my gaijinness. Nobody cares to ask if i'm buying it for myself or for someone overseas. I *personally* doubt japanese lolitas hate letting proxies buy their dresses, in general japanese are very happy whenever a foreigner tries to do japanese things anyway. So i still feel that ss's are missing something very simple if they can't buy loli off mercari, but since i am uninvolved with the shopping service world i may be mistaken somewhere.

maybe SS's use scripts/bots to bid on the more traditional auctions and they don't want to invest in one for mercari..

It's so so simple the UI is kind of idiot proof, it's not like taobao or rakuten with retarded gifs blasting at you every corner distracting you

How much are these worth?

>>9702145
SS don't read their rules, don't message them first, lolitas are worried about fetishists buying their burando and don't trust international postal services.

>>9701996
I really do enjoy reading over video because I can easily do so on the go. But some of them just write about their day and desu I don't care. Tell me what's interesting about it only or tell me thoughts and opinions. Reading about how you went here and there is really boring.

>>9702052
Steam or iron on the wrong side about 1/2" away. Never ever press fabric that has a pile.

Will bodyline ever restock? I've been wanting to buy some wristcuffs and shoes from them for the longest time

>>9702145
I think you have read my comment wrong, my comment is not aimed at them not wanting a shopping service because it will go to a gaijin then. I think it is because they don’t want it to go to a reseller. I have seen people add to their descriptions on mercari that the sales post was not for resellers, that the dress was not for resale purposes.
I also don’t think the reason is that investing in it is hard. I think it’s simply because they are not allowed to be there. Various SS’s have gotten their account blocked and therefor stopped providing the service. Japonica also tells you not to bargain with the seller as they are probably afraid it will blow their cover as well. I don’t know if their is a written rule agains SS. As I have never read their rules, but the fact so many already got banned and really want to hide it, it makes me think there is one.

I didn't expect lolita brands to take part in Japan's Halal Expo (Japan's muslim convention).

>>9702351

>>9702353

>>9702255
Look on the warosu archive for the bodyline thread. basically noone has a clue. bodyline is possibly trying to migrate to rakuten as their main base, there has been one or two things restocked on their international site in the past year so I wouldn't get your hopes up.

>>9702354

>>9702358

>>9702360
NHK Report:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20171122/k10011231511000.html

>>9702360
I'm not Muslim but those are cute, fuck

>>9702361

>>9702351
>>9702360
>>9702358
>>9702361
These are adorable! I love the ones that cascade by the face.

>>9702365

>>9702360
Those are really cute, but still totally haram and therefore unwearable by the standards of the Muslims I know. If it’s decorative and attracts attention to the face, it’s not an option.

>>9702024
i dont wear a petti if im sitting around in bed but i do tend to wear socks, my house is cold, and i prefer to never go without a blouse just out of comfort (usually for around the house i use a cutsew or a fitted tshirt (the horror!)
if i were to leave the house that way i can throw on a petti, a cardigan/bolero over to hide the plain shirt, and throw on some tea parties and out the door. around the house my hair is always in ponytail and if i go to leave the house i usually put some mousse to make my hair nice and fluffy and throw a headbow on
i consider myself a lifestyler this way even if im wearing incomplete coords around the house. who wears shoes indoors? lol im not any less lolita for not wearing shoes in bed

>>9702530
Totally agree. Also, if you watch Shimotsuma Monogatari you can see that Momoko has “house dresses” she wears with slippers around the house vs. full lolita coords she wears to go out. I think most of us do something similar, to be comfy while lounging vs. looking picture perfect at all times.

This is kind of stupid but I don't know where to ask it/how to find out.

I've that sometimes in Japanese brand stores, they give you a mask to cover your face when trying on dresses.

What do these masks/face covers look like? I want to get something similar for when I get dressed.

>>9702589
It's literally like a pillowcase anon. It's not that special.

>>9702589
I have a cheap scarf I wrap around my face if I have to put the dress on over my head.

>>9702589
They are a gauze-y semi sheer material that's basically like a pouch. The side you put over your face is longer though.

>>9702589
stupid question, but why do they do this? honestly curious and have never been to japan.

>>9702668
To protect the clothes from potential makeup stains.

>>9702668
>stupid question
it really is incredibly stupid

>>9702701
Lol calm down

>>9702706
all you had to do was read the rest of the sentence

>>9702710
which sentence?

>>9702729
>to cover your face when trying on dresses.

>>9702730
but why do they do that?

>>9702733
they do it to cover your face! what kind of pleb are you for not wearing make-up?

>>9702736
then why would they give me one?

>>9702737
I don't think they would give you one

>>9702740
They might, if they think your face is greasy.

>>9702670
thank you! i didn't know they took stuff like that into consideration.

>>9702074
Go fuck off by yourself anon, you don’t have to follow LU if you don’t want to, don’t ruin it for the rest of us who want to see the updates, chinese or other. Stop being such a prick, be bloody grateful when someone is sharing updates for the community.

>>9699478
Sure there is, your comm or friends unless you’re a friendless lonelita like that Sh*nice St*lla chick. Stop making up lies about taobao, sure new stores suck ass first but the more established stores like Infanta do have high quality releases in various materials as well. So they aren’t all ‘risky and weird’

>>9700821
Seriously underrated post

>>9702809
She sounds like the kinda gull to Bitch and moan about something, and then is disappointed when it stops, and then asks why the community is dead

>>9702815
>Infanta
>high quality

You probably think Bodyline is on par with brand too.

>>9702809

Does Jack Ma know you've stopped spamming LU to post this?

Get back to work 狗阴道.

>>9702809
Do you really think every shitty Chinese it’s dress is worthy of being shared? Taobao is still shit, most of those dresses end up badly. Fb groups end badly if there is no standards. It’s boring to see LU filled with ita dresses

What's the name of this print?

>>9702867
I understand the posting stuff from more established/well known taobao brands that people might be interested in, but don't these people have the common sense to decide which releases aren't worth posting? A lot of it looks cheap and costume tier at best. Not to mention the literal cosplays and wedding dresses by nobody brands that aren't even close to the lolita aesthetic. They still get posted because apparently 'anything can be lolita if you want it to be!'

Personally I'd rather see fb groups that are slightly slower but informative than groups that have no standards. There's even a separate group just for Chinese brands, so I don't get why they insist on spamming everywhere else.

>>9702880
Could you post some examples of taobao brands that you consider quality?

>>9702843
Haha nice bait, nah Bodyline is shit, Infanta is good quality for its price, sure it’s not to the tier of burando but comparing prices, it’s worth it for casual pieces.

>>9702894
I’d be happy to, some that I know and have purchased from include Ichigo Miko (dress pictured), Miss Point, Infanta, Moonlight Forest, Phantom Mirror, Elpress L, Yilia, Sweet Dreamer.

Not saying there aren’t bad quality brands btw I’ve also had my fair share of those. I have to say Ista Mori’s Nameless Poem is not worth the hype.

>>9702914
Wasn't expecting a nice, thought-out reply, thanks anon. Refreshing af.
Do you have any opinion on Magic Potion or Fox Feather?

>>9702916
As far as the stock pictures go, Magic Potion’s construction and prints look quite decent, I personally don’t like the polyester chiffon fabric that a lot of printed pieces tend to have, but apart from that, the cuffs, lace and blouses they make are nice.

Fox feather has nice gothic prints however again I dislike the shiny polyester fabric they use, construction is quite simple, not much to go wrong but my friend has their Death Angel print and I will say the bodices are cut quite flat so over a B-cup I wouldn’t recommend.

>>9702922
I have dresses from both brands so I was curious as to what your opinion was on both of them. I have to say that both of them have excellent construction. The surface printing and quality of fabric of course doesn't compare with brand, but for what you're paying they're both excellent. I'm an A-cup and Fox Feather fits me like a glove, so I would never recommend them to any women with larger chests for obvious reasons, but for any ladies that have smaller chests they make some lovely pieces.

Thanks again for the good recommendations for some other taobao brands.

>>9702927
No problem anon, I’m glad I helped.

I'll just... leave this here.

>>9702956
pls no. take it with you.

what ugly cuts.

>>9702956
Man, I really wish they would have released a skirt too...

>>9702956
What even is that print name lmao

So gulls

What if

And just hear me out

We call/email all the major brands and ask when the release date is for the new battletoads print.

Dead memes but with a lolita twist.. Imagine. "Con's closed due to AIDS."

>>9702956

>>9702419
damn, what muslim population are you living by?? Most muslims in the west wear colorful hijabs, and makeup with lipstick

>>9702956
it looks like misty sky with a bunch of extra crap

Hello, so my bf tried to order me a birthday present about a week or two ago from AP USA. He never received any email confirmation from them on the item and he's out of country at the moment. He tried their online contact form without any luck and he can't call them. He's just now telling me all this because he's frustrated, and since it's a US holiday tomorrow I can't really call them.

Has anyone had any experiences with AP USA like this and does anyone know what we can do to get either our money back or the item? Thanks in advance!

>>9703001
kill yourself youre not funny in the slightest.

Where do you buy cute buttons like the ones on brand dresses? Heart shape, star shaped, clear with glitter inside, etc. Even bodyline has cute buttons. I can't seem to find anything nice anywhere.

>>9702996
I can't stand other AP fans who are this stupid to go "what?" immediately when the dress name is not Dreamy Clockwork Sky. Maybe you should google Khronos. Print name is logical.

>>9702670
I've never gotten make up on my dresses. All I can think is people are gross and can't be trusted.

>>9702589
Most Japanese clothing stores do this

>>9702809
Some of those people work shopping services, they're sharing those updates out of own interest

>>9703061
They are available at my local fabric stores, but try ebay/taobao/etc

>>9703023
Nayrt but I’m in the Netherlands and have never seen a hijab-wearing woman with makeup, and most hijabs are plain black, brown grey or dark blue with zero adornments. I’m no expert but I doubt those looks posted upthread would fly in my neighborhood.

>>9703081
Have you ever worked retail? People absolutely are gross and cannot be trusted, even in glorious Nippon.

>>9703127
Are you male? I know a lot of you have trouble recognising "natural" makeup.

>>9703127
I don’t think the Netherlands is a good sample of the Muslim population. A lot of this stuff is cultural, and so on a day to day basis they may be plain but decorative pins and fancier scarves are a thing.

The Arab world is mostly Muslim but still into fashion. So yes they do wear makeup, decorate themselves, etc with hijabs. There are even trends in how to style it.

>>9703137
I'm a woman who wears makeup on a daily basis.

>>9703139
Well of course I'm not claiming we're representative of the entire global Muslim population, I'm just pointing out that not all Muslims are the same and while some wear makeup, jewelery and decorative scarves, not all Muslim women do or can. I notice a lot of "well why doesn't she just do xyz to look cuter" in reaction to hijab-wearing lolitas and it seems like people don't realize that there are different cultures within Islam, so in some places it's okay to wear makeup and cute accessories but in others (like my neighbors) this is not okay at all. Acting like all Muslim women everywhere can be fashionable is just not true. Some places are much more restrictive than others.

>>9702074
They are an SS so of course they are spamming stuff for their services

>>9703127
Also from the Netherlands and most Muslim girls I see wear colorful hijabs and make-up. It probably depends on the place, as the ones at uni dress in the way you described.

>>9703081
They certainly can’t! Did you ever went to a store to buy a white blouse? A lot of the time white collars have filthy orange foundation stains on it. So I understand why they would use those sacks in Japan, especially for expensive clothing like Lolita.

>>9703142
>I'm a white, non-muslim girl who has done zero research and insists on "explaining" muslim culture to everyone and then back pedals when like eight anons tells me I'm an idiot
thanks for your contribution

>>9703059
Maybe try messaging them on Facebook? Don't know if it Will help though

>>9703168
This. I've had to buy pieces of clothing at a different branch solely because all the ones in my city were covered in filthy orange make-up stains, Ugh.

>>9702956
I guess I'll be the first to say it. AP is making taobao copies of themselves.

>>9702956
Not gonna lie, I'm digging this. Hope it's not a bloodbath

>>9697818
Some of these "82 cm" dresses go up to 94 cm so you really wouldn't be that far from fitting them. Check out the new moitié rereleases where they put in more precise measurements.

>>9703265
Except taobao dresses still aren't at their level of quality

>>9703168
>Did you ever went to a store
Hah

>>9703162
Yeah I don’t live anywhere near a university and people in my neighborhood are more conservative. It makes sense that universities are more progressive.

>>9703183
I mean, girls my age have literally told me that they wished they could wear makeup like I do but they couldn’t because it would be haram.

>>9703302
I live in a Dutch village that doesn't even have a station and Muslims here do wear make-up. I actually know a few girls who would be interested in buying these >>9702360
It sounds like the ones where you live are extremists and have no relevance to this discussion

>>9703302
I live in a Dutch village that doesn't even have a bus station and Muslims here do wear make-up. I actually know a few girls who would be interested in buying these >>9702360
It sounds like the ones where you live are extremists and have no relevance to this discussion

>>9703315
nayrt but if she lives near people who dress a certain way because of a religion, and the article of clothing in question is most commonly worn by people who follow that religion, then isn't it relevant to the discussion? I can't see how she shouldn't be able to talk about something that affects her and the people around her all because you know people who don't share the same beliefs.

>>9703368
The problem is upthread she came in and was like "mmm pretty, but Muslims can't wear it." which is a massive generalization that's incorrect in most cases.

>>9703368
I just think she's lying desu. There've been bijab-wearing women in the news this week with full make-up on for fuck's sake.

>>9702956
I hated it in the magazine shots, but have to admit I really like the grey colorway. Luckily for my wallet I don't dig the cuts.

>>9703302
If the muslim girls you know can't wear makeup or flashy hijabs, why would you assume they would wear somethin as flashy as lolita anyway? these are clearly not being marketed to them. however, there are muslim lolitas and I'm sure they will appreciate these

New general >>9694745

i just realised headdresses without a hime-cut can look really cute too