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>>9698289

>never gonna find my dream dress

Old school alice is my fave

Forever searching for this dress in this cut and colorway. The white is my second choice but this color is my holy grail

Ive noticed this skirt has popped up a ton lately but i still havent found the OP anywhere

>>9697277
Until when is old school considered old school? I would say until early 2009,end of 2008 at most due to the rise of ott appearing at that time but idk

>>9698561
I'd say 2005 maybe? IIRC that's around the time Twinkle Mermaid came out and AP really started doing border prints.

This is going to sound dumb but I'm having the hardest time finding a cheap bxw oldschool hair accessory. I have been stalking y!j for about a year and have lost a couple good ones despite trying to sniper bid them. Does anyone have one they'd like to sell? Thought about Bodyline but the shipping is so expensive to get just one thing

>>9698566
Look up mercari,fril and rakuten, anon! I saw a bunch already last month,idk if they're still there

What's a good place to get rocking horse shoes these days? Bodyline never restocks in my size, and I haven't found any classically oldschool pair like pic related on TaoBao, especially since they all seem to have weird embellishments like studs or really fake looking wood grain patterns.

>>9698561
2009 is way too late, even 2006 is a stretch.

>>9698698
following

also even though this isn't the dream dress thread, dropping a pic of my dream dress cause its an old school beauty that gets forgotten (only the red colorway is popular thanks to Momoko)

>>9698721
Oh how I feel you, anon. It's like a holy grail to me.

>>9698536
Saaame. Pic related and >>9698289 are my impossible dreams.

>>9698701
>mfw all the old school pieces of my wardrobe are from 2006
D-Does that mean i've been living a lie?

>>9698807
Oh anon, >>9698289 was up on auction a few weeks ago, I posted it here when I found it and a gull won it. I'll keep an eye out for it for you in case it comes by again.

>>9698834
Nah, I feel like the early 2000’s was the tail end of ‘old school’ and the embryonic stages of ‘modern’ lolita. 2006 is just around when I first found out about lolita and I remember there being kind of a mishmash of the old school vibe and the beginnings of the “print” era where there was way less focus on the lace and more on what was printed on the fabric, of that makes sense.

>>9698834
Not necessarily, 2006 had plenty of beautiful and iconic designs. The release year matters to some extent, but imo what matters more is the design and materials.

>>9698539
Can someone help me identify the skirt (jsk?) on the right? It's perfect. The letters look like SJ or ST but that's not ringing any bells.

>>9698872
All I know is that it's an fairly old Shirley Temple print (like from the 90s or early 2000s). Sometimes ETC made the same stuff in adult sizing but I don't know about this one. If you are tiny like the girl in the pic you can possibly fit into their stuff though.

>>9698838
oh, well at the least the dress exist haha

Are there any other dresses with cutouts like this one? Looked on lolibrary and didn't find anything.

>>9699042
I don't know. I have checked a few times as well, as this exact dress [either red or black] is my absolute dream dress. ;-;

>>9699042
This is my dream dress in literally any of the colourways. Makes me sad because I doubt it'd ever turn up

BTSSB print timeline

>>9698561
2006 at the very latest.

>>9699085
a different colourway is up on mercari but its overpriced and seems to have some rubbing away of the velvet under the arms

Any idea what the oldest print is, that isn't like plaid fabric? i'm thinking this one from 1999 but are there older examples with photos existing somewhere?
There's also a variation of this same skirt with angels instead of crowns released at the same time.

>>9699136
I love the 2006 ones a lot.

>>9698698
Vivienne Westwood.

>>9698533
Can anyone tell me what this dress is called?
I've been trying to remember...

>>9699265
Rose Ribbon Embroidery; BTSSB

>>9698838
>>9699033
The pink? That was me! My favorite is the lavender but that was the first time i ever saw it for sale so I had to get it! Its super lovely anon! I hope you can find it too! I am also looking for the swan lake screen print. Hopefully soon we can find all our old school dream dresses!

>>9699293
Different anon, but I desperately want the ballerina screen print, either OP or JSK, only in blue or pink (preferably pink).

>>9699269
Thank you!

>>9698540
frick I need this op! frumpy dolly old school is my fav

>>9698956
Thanks, anon! My waist is 65cm so I think that’s a bit too big for Shirley Temple. I’ll just pine after it from afar, then...

>>9699203
Same. 2005 and 2006 are my favourite years in lolita.

how bad of an idea is it to buy a non-shirred AP dress from 2006 if your waist is literally 1cm less than the measurement?

>>9699946
Get some shapewear for a temporary fix

>>9698698
There are some on Antaina anon!

>>9699946
lol, 1cm is nothing

>>9699946
It probably won't be very comfortable. Can you lose a few cms off your waist if you exercise or is this your smallest healthy measurement? You can try shapewear like another anon suggested but imo it's probably not worth it.

I need some inspo and google is being a bitch right now, can I get some completely white coords please?

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>>9700342
Bless your soul kind anon!

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>>9700346
no problem anon

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>>9700393
and end dump

Can we talk old school meetups? I think my comm would really enjoy one, and we have a lot of members so i think we would easily have enough interested to make it worthwhile.
> have you been to an oldschool meetup before? Was it fun/ what did you do?
> would you like to host one yourself? Would your comm be interested?
>how long inadvance do you think would be considerate to plan, so people could put a coord together, keeping in mind many may not have old school pieces to begin with.
> what is your dream location/ activity for an oldschool meet if anything was possible?
> if you had an oldschool meetup this weekend, what would your coord look like!

>>9700340
I don't know why but coords like these are what Lolita really is to me. I just love it's simplicity, instead of having cupcakes on your head, star clips, other kind of busy accessories and a busy print dress.
Also the way oldschool was marketed, like >>9700377 and >>9700389 makes me feel so nostalgic. It looks so much more harmonious.

>>9698561
I still barely consider 2005 old-school, anything after the introduction of original prints (not including screen-prints) other than basic florals seems to new to be old-school imo

>>9699136
Fairy print~ I want to bury myself in it.
Do you by any chance have the full page?

>>9704846
but its not like in 2004/5/6 old school items stopped being made entirely and just printed items made, thats why the years are still considered old school. prints then were still few between and the general old school feeling was still strong as ever

>>9703679
I’ve been to meet ups where a lot of us incidentally wore old school and we were able to take some old school pictures. An old school meet sounds fun and I’d definitely attend, but I don’t think that even in a comm as large as mine there would be many people who’d be able to do true old school. You’d have people showing up in 2011 AP because “it’s old, too!” and lots of anachronistic materials e.g. chiffon blouses, modern embroidered tulle lace etc. because those are so ubiquitous now and I don’t think many people would be willing to buy an extra set of accessories or a new blouse in a colour they already have just because the lace isn’t old school enough. I only know maybe three people who would be able to put a truly old school coord together, and excluding everyone else from the meet isn’t really an option. So I think it can be done if the bar isn’t held too high.

If I had an old school meet this weekend I’d be wearing red tartan with white blouse/leg wear and black accessories. Tartan is the best.

What are some good basic black/black and white releases that would be easy to coord for an old school beginner?

>>9705190
Baby's Karami JSK is probably the classic example, the Hem Scallop JSK would also be a decent start.

Personally I would reccomend Baby over any other brand because they've released their most popular old school styles a million times so they're fairly cheap and common secondhand. Plus they're so distinct anyone familiar with the style knows right off that it's old school baby.

>>9705190
Honestly, old school is pretty easy to coord if you stay to the general rules. You're gonna have a hard time finding specific releases in the second hand market.

Does anyone have any archives of older lj blogs? Or names atleast
Fairly new to lolita, but after reading the princess portal i just wanna read more desu

>>9699946
Depends how likely it is that the seller's measurements are inaccurate by a couple of cm.

https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-32341
was anyone after this?

BtSSB Thumbelina OP in black is up on WW right now!
>https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-32339

>>9705190
Look at enough old school pieces and magazines until you understand old school, then find an old school b&w dress you like instead of going for one of Baby's re-releases. Everyone who wants to try old school uses fucking hem scallop or babydoll jsk and there is nothing that says Baby's First Old School like it. There are plenty of old, easy to coord dresses b&w from Meta, Baby, AP, MAM, Cornet and other brands you could be doing instead, and then you won't look like you're jumping on the trend train.

>>9703679
My comm had an old school meet some time ago. Everyone tried their best but you could easily tell who actually lived those old days or knew at least the style. Most of the girls has chosen a wrong kind of make up, too modern shoes, weird prints or textures. Some girls wore modern dresses but stuck with floral pattern (a safe choice if you know what you're doing imo).

>>9706462
Fuck fuck fuck i allready blew all my spare money this weekend on black friday/small business saturday sales god damn it! Maybe it wont sell out too quickly...

Why is it so difficult to find any images of brand before 2000? I love seeing what the 80s lolitas were up to

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>>9706503
Haha, complete opposite advice
But thanks to both of you, I'll check out the dresses you mentioned. I don't really mind looking like everyone else, so I'll probably grab what I find that I like
>>9705295
Yeah, that was kinda what I was thinking, it's a bit simpler than modern lolita in a way
Any tips for search words to use for finding old school? Except for "old school", of course.

>>9706783
No keywords, you just have to be familiar with what old school looks like and trawl through everything

>>9706783
You could try to use google with normal search words but change the time setting to the years you are interested in.

>>9706783
I get almost all of my pieces from secondhand japanese sites (mercari, fril, auctions etc) and having a small understanding of japanese is extremely useful.
Usually what I do is use keywords like brand names or acronyms, then set the search parameters to things like "ladies" "onepiece" and then sort by price. With mercari and fril, its difficult to figure out some things, (like filtering out sold items) without knowing /some/ kanji but you can probably do it with google translate.
Also, sometimes adding in colours to searches helps too. Like searching "btssb 黒" and just looking at the cheap stuff usually comes up with some good results.

>>9705190
What dress is she wearing?

>>9706767
Because the internet didn’t really exist in Japan until then, and even so was extremely basic.

>>9706800
Gotcha, thanks
>>9706853
That's pretty smart actually, I'll try it out
>>9706887
Thanks a bunch anon! I'll check it out and see if I can figure anything out haha
I'm guessing you need a SS for those sites?
>>9707023
It's from Moi Meme Moitie, but she didn't say what the dress was called in her post, sorry

Would the princess frill skirt by baby be considered "old school" style-wise?

>>9707983
Of course, that's textbook old school

>>9707983
of course it would. It's a pretty skirt. I actually just got this skirt in the mail the other day and it's beautiful.

https://maidenclothing.net/user_data/gs_product_detail.php?id=154073850001

Dress from 2001? From Victorian Maiden.

Pretty monochrome apron coordinate

>>9698555
I love this dress more than anything, but why does everyone who coords it look really bad or scruffy? My best guess is that they're all huge Momoko fans with too much money who aren't actually any good at dressing themselves. This is probably the best I've seen but she still looks awkward as hell.

Does anyone know anything about this mook? I've never seen it mentioned before and it says it has a timeline of street fashion and history of lolita:
https://item.fril.jp/2c23c90230e36853e4b78464f9ced700

>>9715682
Copy of the description just in case the seller deletes the listing:

◆出版社名:グラフィック社
◆出版時期:2007年初版1刷
◆サイズ :B5
◆種別 :中古
◆定価 :本体1900円+税
◆ページ数 :135P

◆状態 :【良】表紙・背表紙に微少キズ有り。(ページ内は良いです)
◆著者 :ストリートモード研究会

◇目次

第1章 1970’s~ストリートモードの歴史(70年代~現在までのファッション&カルチャー年表
ラフォーレ原宿と原宿ファッションの変遷)
第2章 1980’s~ミレニアムブランド(SEXY DYNAMITE LONDON
EXCENTRIQUE
BLACK PEACE NOW ほか)
第3章 ストリート・モードをとりまくカルチャー(二階健「ファッションと生き様」
大槻ケンヂ「ゴシック&ロリータとは何か」
大場由香里「“華美”を求めて」 ほか)

>>9706503
Seconding this, especially for Cornet. Since it isn't really popular you can find their pieces really cheap, opposed to other brand.

>>9711213
She doesn't look awkward or scruffy at all anon... Her hair looks like its been blown a bit but that's it.

>mfw everyone's always talking about how sturdy and practical oldschool is compared to modern lolita but 90% of my oldschool wardrobe is white, cream or fragile ancient velveteen
>mfw too scared to sit down on public transport and haven't eaten all day because don't want to dirty my angelic shiro coord
>mfw comm lowkey resent me because normies keep stopping us every five minutes because they think we're a hen party and I'm the bride
somebody please save me from this self-imposed hell

>>9716217
Can't save you from your foolish love of white, as I almost exclusively own black. However, I feel your velveteen pain. I have dresses I'd wear all the damn time if they weren't old enough to drive themselves to a meet.

My velvets are hardy, but replacing almost any item (main piece or otherwise) in my closet would be hell, which is the worst part of liking old school.

>>9716241
I'm still really upset because an OP I really love started disintegrating shortly after I bought it, and I think would be too fragile for more than very gentle, infrequent use even after an expensive repair. Why does oldschool do this to us. I've seen the same OP up for sale a couple of times and always have to stop myself buying another, since I don't know if the first one I bought was just stored badly or if the material and age make it inherently fragile. The other velvets I've had have thankfully been fine.

>>9716245
Oh that would be awful. I've heard stories of that happening, but I guess I've been stupid lucky with velvet thus far. Velveteen ribbons are what have been awful to me. Gotten one dress where the ribbon is half bald, and another where the ends were fraying because the finishing wore out. But that's much more fixable than velvet disentigrating.

I'm so sad, I recently wore one of my older meta jsks [2004] out and the hem got stuck on something as I was walking and ripped. That's the worst part about wearing old school imo [and I wear it all the time]... it's pretty hard to replace most of them if they get damaged. :( luckily it was just the back them and the rip was pretty clean, but I don't like having damaged clohing. :( I'm going to patch it up and do what I can, but even then, I have to live knowing it's damaged.

I just got my hands on two older pieces. I got a 2003 Baby OP and a 2004 Innocent Wold skirt. I am so happy.im just trying to find a descent pair of off white bloomers. Everything current is too white.

Does anyone have any pictures of old school room wear? I'm in love with the cute designs but i can hardly find any

>>9716257
That sucks, remember momoko's clothes got damaged too and it was okay in the end

>>9717433

is it weird to buy the same thing in multiple colourways? I have the scallop hem skirt in blk x wht, one of the releases without shirring(it fits alright but not v comfy) but i found it in blkblk recently WITH shirring and my friend thought it was strange i was buying it although I already have it in another colourway

>>9717540
Not strange at all. A lot of girls have the same piece in multiple colorways. You see it more with prints, but people do it with solids too.

>>9717540
No. I have an oddly large oldschool Baby dress and I love it so much, I would buy it immediately if I could find another color

Where's doing good aprons these days? I especially love ones with lots of pintucks, embroidery and heirloom details, but I don't have a sewing machine so I can't make one. The only one I found was Excentrique and it's way too long for oldschool. Look at this bit of wasted potential from BtSSB, it would have been gorgeous as an actual apron you could wear with lots of different dresses but they only released it as a fake apron OP...

>>9717540
No, a lot of people have multiples. I have a Baby dress in two colours and have other colourways of a bunch of stuff I already own on my wishlist.

>>9717851
I've been seeing a lot of nice taobao aprons, usually paired with an op or jsk, but still really nice ones.

>>9718837
Perfect.

Would anybody be interested in buying this dress? I've been trying to sell it for months, but no ones buying. Here's the link in case you're interested. https://m.ebay.com/itm/Millefleurs-velveteen-jsk-set-Lolita-jsk-dress-I-ll-accept-reasonable-offers/162663662044?hash=item25df8281dc:g:FeMAAOSwT4tZsZst

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>>9717851
The Black Ribbon listed a bunch recently

Anyone know anything about dating old school items other than looking in the GLB and street snaps to find similar? Are tags (on the clothing) helpful at all, and is there anywhere that mentions different iterations of tags certain brands have gone through? I have found a couple of my really old skirts in the GLB and lolibrary, and occasionally I notice that the items in GLB ads differ from the page in lolibrary, such as the skirt shown here. I actually have it in black and it matches the listing on lolibrary, but the one in this ad is clearly different. Was this one rereleased? Maybe the final production turned out different?

>>9719403
>https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-back-ruffle-full-pleated-skirt

Here is the lolibrary listing for those interested.

>>9717540
>Is it weird to buy a normie piece of clothing I like in several colours?

>>9710552
What dress is this? I'm a sucker for heart-shaped aprons.

>>9719120
You got the measurements?

>>9719493
it's this :-)
https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-alice-chan-set-alice-style-set

>>9710552
I have this in pink and blue and when I wore it a few years ago some new lolita asked me if it was bodyline and I wanted to scoff.. but I just smiled and giggled

>>9719526
It will fit a 68 cm chest and a 69 cm waist. The measurements may be a bit off because I'm measuring it myself as lolibrary doesn't have the measurements for it anymore. If you're within those measurements though, it should fit.

>>9719801
>68 cm chest
I really think you should remeasure this because there's no way you're going to be able to sell something with that measurement

>>9719814
72 cm. Sorry. It wasn't completely flat the first time I measured. Waist is the same though.

>>9717851
Moon Afternoon has a ton of aprons in all kinds of lengths

>>9719818
Do they still exist? I googled them and only came up with years-old EGL posts about how their site was no longer up.

>>9719817
Who in the world actually has a chest this small? I wouldn't fit that if I literally had no boobs.

>>9719828
you're not very good at googling are you?
http://moonberry.cocotte.jp/
https://twitter.com/hanamoonberry
In a similar way to Antique Beast, she doesn't take orders all the time, but instead of saying open/closed she posts which month she will take orders again. She also goes to events.

>>9719530
Oh my goodness, thank you!
I think I found my new dream dress.

What do you gulls think about shiny/patent leather shoes in old school? Would it work with the aesthetic?

Found a baby gobelin jsk on fril
https://item.fril.jp/3812ca5b82a0b3b6f8ae6984b8b7d79d

>>9720323
They were a thing then so it should be fine

>>9720351
Thanks, anon!

An obscenely old IW headdress is up on mercari:
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m64578084536/

I will post some of my favorite old pictures.

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>>9722328
I see super arched and small eyebrows in old school photos a lot, there's something charming about them

>>9719846
A preteen?

>>9723164
Haha, maybe anon could market it as a kids piece. Realy sad though, it is a lovely piece.

If anyone is into skirts, this beauty is available
>rakuten.co.jp/sintoreuse/060-201712110525/

>>9719817
Is it seriously that small? I've never seen millefleurs that was less than about 80-82cm bust.

Not directly fashion related, but does anyone have any tips on where (or how) to track down the volumes of Escargotskin? I'm collecting old lolita publications and this one fascinates me but I've never seen it for sale anywhere.

Found some good pieces on rakuten, lots of early baby there.

>https://item.rakuten.co.jp/kaihou/slf-lfc-170818033004/
>https://item.rakuten.co.jp/okoku/012121000374841822/
>https://item.rakuten.co.jp/brandear-store/25595520/
>https://item.rakuten.co.jp/auc-grandbazaar/658040/
>https://item.rakuten.co.jp/brandear-store/25794854/
>https://item.rakuten.co.jp/tokyoalice/b07106/
>https://item.rakuten.co.jp/brandear-store/25453420/
>https://item.rakuten.co.jp/violetblue/10002346/
>https://item.rakuten.co.jp/kaihou/glf-lfc-170930010010/
>https://item.rakuten.co.jp/space-store/057187-q/

>>9729440
It's really that small. I was very surprised when it didn't even kind of fit me.

>>9729811
I ordered an older millefleurs dress recently and now I'm worried this could happen to me.

I'm looking to buy some cotton bloomers from taobao, but I don't understand if their measurements are from waist or inseam. (it's like 50, 60, or 70 cm) also, where is the best place for peaking bloomers to hit? just above the knee? below the knee?

>>9731603
Never bought from taobao so I can't help you there, but re: bloomer length, it depends on how tall you are, how long your dress is, and how much you want your bloomers to peek.
Peeking bloomers look the best when it's not obvious that they're bloomers; if the peeking lace makes your plain OTKs look like they have lace at the top, it's a good length imo.

>>9731609
I compleatly disagree. Whats the point of peeking blooomers if they just look like otks? It has to peek enough so you can tell it's blooomers.

>>9731619
these are apparently 68cm, but i have no idea how tall she is.

>>9731603
I own a pair of BTSSB ones that are 56cm long from waist to the end of the lace. They peek just fine, especially under my shorter dresses. I am 1.73cm tall and from the ground up until the top of my hip bone it is 103cm. I hope this gives some insight.

>>9729538
I was looking for information on this in this thread a year or so ago and had no luck either. If you find it please post scans!

>>9729538
>>9731768
Anons your search game is weak af.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/エスカルゴスキン-1号/dp/4870316633/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1514251279&sr=1-2&keywords=エスカルゴスキン

https://www.amazon.co.jp/エスカルゴスキン-Vol-02-アネモネ増刊-飛鳥新社/dp/B01DG2IGF4/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1514251279&sr=1-1&keywords=エスカルゴスキン

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v495473682

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EscargotSkin-Vol-2-mook-Japanese-gothic-lolita-style-fashion-magazine-book-2005/142472843994

>>9731815
Thank you so much, anon! I didn't even think about looking for it on Amazon.

Anybody got any good bonnet inspo?

>>9722323
This is one of my favourite inspirations

These were my last 4 purchases. Pretty sure I should just give in and replace my entire wardrobe with velveteen now.

>>9737431
You're going to die in the summer if you do that, but at least you'll die looking good. That first OP is gorgeous.

>>9737431
These are lovely!
Is that first op Meta?

There's a printed velvet IW capelet-bustier-skirt set with an ancient tag on auctions, if any of you gulls are interested:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v533105090

>>9738748
>33000 yen
And gulls say only LM is overpriced.

>>9738763
>3 piece old school set new with tags for $292 is overpriced

>>9723150
Her social media? That's a cute coord

>>9697277
I'm looking at getting an old screenprinted dress, but the seller says there's dark orange marks near the hem. Is that from aging? is there anything that could be done?

where to buy white high platform shoes like pictured in >>9700359 , >>9700381 , >>9700382

>>9739269
What colour is the dress? If it's black they might be bleach stains, which you might be able to fade/disguise by going over them with a fabric marker, but that probably won't be perfect.
If it's any other colour I would worry about them being rust stains... which can be an absolute pain to remove.

>>9698698
Vivienne Westwood second hand

>>9706178
Beyond egl or something

>>9739323
Meta, they're relatively rare though, I've been looking for ages even though they got re-released a couple of years ago. Try BPN too, or look at Taobao brands like Angelic Imprint.

Also some of these are still available IIRC:
https://rbt.asia/cgl/thread/9596141/#9598737

>>9739323
Yosuke usa sometimes has something similar

>>9739323
The meta ones are on Lacemarket size L

Can someone give me a list of the big fads, over cosplayed series for each year?

>>9740294
wrong thread retard

how well might one of the tiny (mini mini rucksack) usa's work in a coord? Perhaps clipped onto a bag?
I really really want an usakumya but I can't justify spending so much on one unless it's the colourway/ release I love so I'm wondering if I should drop 3000y on a tiny one, or is it not worth it?

>>9740430
Yea 3000 jpy is a good deal for the pochette, I have one i clip onto the front of my bag sometimes

Just got this ugly ass thing for ¥1000! I personally think gobelin is hideous.. but I can't stop buying it.. its taking over my wardrobe!

>tfw you go to pin the picture and Pinterest recommends other photos of curtains.

>>9740555
That's really cute though. What a steal, too!

>>9740430
I own a tiny one (+-12cm) that I clip to all my bags. It really is not much, but it helps me "feel" more lolita when I am forced to use ugly but practical bags for travel. My little usakumya brings me much joy.

>>9740555
That's beautiful, anon. Great find!

>>9740555
its cute t b h, and damnn that price though, what platform are you shopping on out of interest?

Any recs for not-very-poofy petticoats? I want some poof but not much. I was looking at Emily temple cute pettis.

>>9698538
I've never thought of using a heart pochette like a fanny pack. I dig it actually.

>>9740711
Im just using Y!A ! You just gotta linger a bit, but a lot of stuff does pop up and sells for hardly anything.

My ugliest of all oldschool pieces I have won for no more than ¥2000, but its just a matter of stalking it 24/7 to find them.

>>9741161
ah thank you!! im just getting into using japanese second hand sites for the first time

Considering selling this. How much would gulls pay for it?

>>9739323
>>9739434
There's a size S pair on y!ja too, sad for me since I need an M:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e205788701

Does anyone know how much this goes for now? It used to be my dream dress, then I decided it was too short. Now I don't care and I'm thinking I might start looking for it again. Also would consider any white trumpet sleeve OP.

>>9742142
Fug

I also like the black in either release, who am I kidding

>>9740770
I have a baby petti that isn't very poofy and I've seen some AP ones for sale cheap on LM in the past for that reason

Another one for the velveteen-loving gulls:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r224537947

>>9742013
$100?

current order on the way!!! I've spent more than I intended to but i got some good deals. If I've calculated right, I'm at abt 130usd (after ss fees, before int, shipping)

Some more old velvet:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v497258891

Looking for some 80s and 90s gothic lolita

>>9743961
There's enough of that on the second hand market. Search for it yourself.

>>9744125
Girl I'm not looking to buy, just tired of seeing so much old school sweet

Does anyone have better pictures of Mukuro stuff (besides what's on lolitahistory)?

>>9742013
Depends on condition. 120 if good, 80 or less if stretched out or any other damage

Recent velveteen purchase on its way, no measurements on lolibrary, just pray it fits.

>>9745092
One of my friends scanned the Mukuro pages of Japanese Goth (among others) but it's friend-locked, I can ask if she makes it public

Is there any information on the dress in this picture? What brand is it?

>>9752140
I feel like this is antique beast or marbel

>>9734031
seconding this, i love bonnets

Does anyone know what time period this innocent world tag would be from? I can only assume it's an old piece. Sorry it's super faded!

>>9753910
I believe this is their oldest tag, from the very early 2000s (00/01) at the latest.

I grabbed this skirt off of Tokyo Alice this morning and am so excited for it! It's probably going to be a little tight on my waist, so I may have to have it altered, but it has a bustle made out of faux fur and is an early JetJ velveteen piece, so it's probably super plush and heavy (and ridiculous). I have a feeling I'll now be spending my life trying to find the matching bodice...

>>9754236
That's stunning!

>>9745382
I hate how Japanese sellers usually don't include measurements. How fucking hard is it to grab a tape measure and at least try to give an estimate? Passed up so many items because of this

>>9754616
How hard is it to go to lolibrary or look up past sales? Stay mad fatty.

>>9754236
I swear I'm not a cat but I want to curl up on top of that to take a nap.

>>9754616
Same, especially if the piece doesn't have a lolibrary entry or there are multiple sizes. At least take a picture of the tag or something, please! So many IW OPs and blouses I felt iffy about buying because they might be an S.

>>9698721
The brown one is on y!jp ... only 68k yen

>>9743961
Start looking for Atelier Boz, Alice Auaa and Kazuko Ogawa. Though the earlier gothic stuff was more "gothic" than "lolita".They were all around since the early to mid 90s, so there is barely anything interesting to find. Moitie was only founded in 1999 and the aesthetic you are looking was probably only around since that year.

>>9754618
Do you know how many times some oldschool pieces were re-released baka? Fat or skinny is irrelevant when you are wanting a piece that is unshirred, comes in very different sizes, and only has waist ties for adjusting it

>>9754618
>assuming the lolibrary measurements are accurate
>assuming the listing is even on lolibrary
>assuming someone has sold that dress before with measurements not listed from lolibrary
Get out newfag

Is anyone interested in this? I got it assuming that the shirring would make it work for me but it barely goes past the min (around 60 or 62 cm) because the shirring just isn't that stretchy. Weird heavy flocky fabric that I haven't seen before.

How much should I worry about matching off white trim for an old school coord?

I'm thinking of getting pic related and Lolibrary says the trim is ivory. Should I go for an ivory blouse/socks? Or should I go for white? I think I'll have a lot easier time finding white shoes/bag than off white.

>>9755702
Are you thinking of coordinating this with all white? You can do that but I'm not sure how nice the end result will look.
Anyway, stark white looks odd paired with off white or beige/ivory, especially for a skirt like this; if it makes you feel better, brand pieces that are listed as "white" are actually off white more often than not, and I don't think the shades have to match perfectly unless the difference is very obvious.

>>9729538
Would anyone be interested in this exact issue?

>>9756304
I'll bite
I might not get to you until morning (PST), but feel free to email me. Not sure how much you want for it though.

Why are old school skirts so unforgiving when it comes to a petti? I just received two older meta skirts and they just barely hold my weakest petticoat. They're both really nice though its way less space compared to more modern lolita skirts.

Is this a pre-btssb tag or did the seller confuse something?
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m50078236688/

>>9757532
Is it on lolibrary as a BtSSB piece?
A lot of Japanese sellers will list off brand stuff or pieces from small brands as being from a similar more popular brand, just so it shows up in more searches. I’ve seen Mary Magdalene pieces listed as VM or IW, RPA listed as AP etc. Maybe that’s what happened here. I don’t recognise the tag or the coat itself at all.

>>9756413
Because they didn't care about monster poof as much as we do now. The cut of the skirt might also just require a certain shape of petticoat. Usually non-gathered skirts (like trapezoid ones) need small A-line pettis

>>9757559
Yeah both skirts require an a-line petti. I tried my MLT one and it was a squeeze. Thankfully I had one of my older pettis that's really deflated (I use it for layering) and it was fine.
Honestly, both skirts feel way more wearable for everyday life ans more elegant than some of my modern pieces.

/r/ing coords made with empire waist jumperskirts and OPs, I just bought a gorgeous old school BTSSB empire waist jsk from a friend at a swap meet but have no idea how the hell to coordinate it. gothic and classic coords preferred.

>>9757559
>>9757586
Adding to this that some oldschool bell-shaped skirts with inbuilt petticoats actually need an A-line petti to look good, because the tulle inside is shaped to compensate and turn an A-line into a bell. If you put an actual bell petti into these skirts, however small, it either won't fit or will become a weird overstuffed rectangle.

>>9757637
Can you post a photo or a stock photo of it? It will help us help you coord it anon...

>>9754616
Annnd it didn't fit lol, anyone want to buy it? I'm thinking $60 + s&h. It's this in all black, I have the collar but the string in front is missing. https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-little-princess-velveteen-op will do a proper measure and throw it up on lm later.

>>9754236
I'm so excited, anons. The skirt arrived today and it fits fantastic. Lolibrary has the waist at 62cm and Tokyo Alice said 64, but really it's 68 so it fits so comfortably, no need to alter at all! Now I'm REALLY going to be hunting for that top...

>>9754631
It's like a massive heavy blanket; a cat's best friend!

>>9756325
Sorry this is so late anon, but I pm'd you!

>>9698721
>>9698767
there's a b/w one up https://item.fril.jp/b0829f1c7caa1e50d2268744be999ad5

>>9758413
Emailed you!

>>9761083
The red color will also be re-released this March. But I believe the only way to get it, is by reserving it in the A/P Harajuku store during Laforet’s Grand Bazaar on the 25th of January at 13:00.

Marble has lucky bags up @ Atelier Pierrot's webshop

>>9761104
It's also $500.

How old is old school? Is 2004-2006 considered old school?

>>9761581
I would consider 2006 and back old-school.

>>9761527
The two colorways available secondhand cost more. But it’s indeed expensive.

I was wondering whether or not this dress is also seen as an iconic old-school dress.
https://item.fril.jp/c0cda4b437c2413738c4e645ef1a2602

>>9739323
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m76797629337/

I'm thinking of selling a few of my old school items but I have no idea how to price them.
What is the going rate for Meta velveteen stuff these days?

>>9763689
depends on the items. post a collagepic of the ones you want to sell, with details about condition? maybe we can suggest starting prices and you can put them up for auction

>>9763689
Higher if they have shirring

>>9754657
Are they only re-releasing the red one?

>>9754689
pretty sure she was looking for coord inspo or something, see >>9744157

>>9763723

Triple Frill? OP, missing one of the detachable arm bows but in good condition, especially for it's age. Comes with underskirt. I'd give it a B rating for having a slight used feeling.

Velveteen JSK is in really great condition, A~B rating cause it looks like new.

Skirt is also in good condition, also a B rating for slight used feeling, comes with underskirt.

Headbow in blue, matches the OP, JSK & skirt, has wire in it, also in good shape, b rating.

Princess Pinafore op, lace needs ironing and the velvet has a used feeling, good condition, b rating.

Same velveteen headbow, but in black, has wire, b rating.

Probably overpaid for these iems and won't get back what I paid but I'm fine with that.
I also have a BTSSB set in Ivory I may sell, will post a pic of that too.

>>9763739
The BtssB set, it's velveteen, and in gorgeous condition.
But it's a smaller size, especially the skirt.
I would not recommend the skirt over 63cm waist.
At some point I found the same skirt and bought it so I could alter it, but can't bring myself to taking it apart.
The second skirt has now waist ties.
The bustier goes up to 86cm bust.

>>9763739
Can’t help you much with pricing, but definitely put these up for auction. I’m very interested in the two JSKs!

>>9763742
oh, there's 2 skirts?
also, wish I could take all of these off your hands but I'm a marshmallow. auction is the way to go. people will likely war over these.

>>9758366
the only pic I could find on Lolibrary, it's older than I thought it was

>>9763730
Really? The jsk's have shirring so that's good news.
The skirt is pretty small though <65cm an the OP isn't super small but it's not really generous either.

>>9763752
If I sell these they will definitely go on LM.
Plus I'll post a link to my auctions in the sales thead here too.
But as of right now I still don't know if I actually want them gone or not, I'm such a hoarder lol.
They are so pretty but my taste is moving towards a more mature and gothic style.
I feel guilty when these just hang in my closet when someone may actually want to wear them iyswim?

>>9763756
Yes, I got the same skirt 2x.
Was planning making a handbag, rectangle headddress, katyusha from it and a waist extender from it as I'm only a few cm's too large for it (my waist is 65cm and I can close the button, but it's not very comfortable) but I'm too much of a wuss to take it apart desu.
I'm only thinking of selling it cause I got the black set now, which was one of my dream sets.

>>9763742
What a bummer that the skirt is so small! I'm the same measurements as you so it wouldn't be much good. Can you post some pictures of the black one too? I haven't seen these before and they're really gorgeous.

>>9763794
This is the bustier in black, it's truly gorgeous.
And it fits like a dream (I have 85cm bust, 65cm waist).
The (black) skirt works well for me with a black elastic waist extender I bought on ebay, the bustier falls over it so none can tell anyway, same goes if you use the waist ties I guess.
I only got a stock pic off the skirt though.
I can post big detail shots of the ivory set if you like as well.

>>9763804
They had such small stock pics back then, but here's the black skirt.

>>9763739
I think I may have been the one to sell you that Meta OP, anon, and desu I'd gladly buy it back from you. I really regret selling it and have it in red now, but I like(d) the black more. Or, if you'd want to trade for the red, then I'd be down.

>>9763868
Sadly, mine is the blue version (sorry, the picture I posted isn't very clear).
I'm sorry you regret selling your black OP anon, hope you find it again some day.

>>9763882
Oops, my bad!

No worries, it's not a super rare piece, I've seen it a few times, so it'll come home one day. I think the blue and green colorways are the most sought after, though, so good luck with your sales! If it goes up on LM then I'll be watching for it. The red is so bright I probably won't wear it, but oh man, I just love this OP.

>>9763868
A part of me is interested in this op and another part of me has enough velveteen I hardly even wear. I'd say start at $200 and go down from there.

Sorry didn't mean to trip my email.

>>9763739
Completely done with lolita then or just velveteen?

>>9765409
No on both accounts.
I'm not quitting Lolita and I still love velveteen.
Just not sure if I'm keeping these pieces, that's all.
I'm afraid I'll regret selling these though, having a hard time deciding if I want them gone or not.

>>9765576
I would keep triple frill, maybe keep the jsk, and sell everything else.

I mean, he isnt the OG Usakumya, but he's still pretty old, and hella cute, I probably spent too much on him but I am really excited for him to arrive! Does anybody have the OG usakumya? I know one sold a while ago but ive never seen pictures of them being worn out. I wonder if they just collect dust in peoples closets.

>>9766127
Oh my! Awesome, anon! I really want an old Usakumya too

>>9766127
Damn I've been planing to bid on him tomorrow. Congrats anon!

>>9763742
I might be interested in the skirt but I wouldn't fit the bustier.

>>9763781
Tbh the skirt would probably be worth more if you altered it, speaking from experience tiny oldschool pieces are really difficult to sell and having lots of accessory items would be popular. Honestly I'd take it to a seamstress to extend the waist if you're scared of that part.

>>9766127
That's so cool! I've never seen boy usa for sale before!

>>9766131
you planned to bid on him the day after the auction ended?

>>9766187
The seller had it up for a long time and kept relisting it.

>>9766127
A friend recently purchased it, but I have ‘t seen photos of it as well. I know that some people collect usa’s.

>>9763804
This just popped up on Wunderwelt for 5290 yen if that helps guide your pricing.

https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-34055