/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9728493
It's literally being discussed in the general right now.

>>9728494

It deserves it's own thread. General thread is being taken over by lolita magazine discussion

>>9728530
It's a shitty situation and I'm glad Tyler is doing what she does, but what else do you want to say about this?

>>9728532
She’s talking about making another video.... but three strikes on someone’s youtube channel gets it taken down, right? And we all know if she makes another video ask japanese is just going to claim it again.

I feel as though it'd be best to file for the appeals and wait on those before making a third video, I'd hate to see Tyler's channel taken down over AskJapanese's bullshit

>>9728564
Worst case scenario she just makes another channel. That has its own risks but no one can shoot Tyler down. She's basically the leader of this rebellion now.

The real issue is there needs to be more factual material to accompany Tyler's efforts. Not saying what she did isn't know, but there is a lot of bias oozing out from the corners of it. I've checked everything and she hasn't mis-reported the story but I think more people writing / filming out it will help to show this isn't "one girl hates this company".

>lights cig
>straightens tie
>plops massive old school metal type writer on desk
>cracks knuckles

>>9728576
What kind of evidence would she need to provide? I'm genuinely curious.

>>9728580
So I accept her statements as accurate, but the issue is the amount of bias opinion slathered on top. She has the right to an opinion on the subject and to share that opinion as much as she wants. Shows like her and by extention the daily show, are an importent genre that allow for both entertainment and for real information to see the light of day. The issue is there is no companion "newspaper article" to sit along side her work regarding this issue. So it's very easy to say this is a war between two parties and that whatever started it isn't important.

An example of bias here is that Tyler is dragging people over the coals for issues tied to morality more then legality. It is very evident that Jon is a scumbag, but scumbag is an subjective label. Most of what she focuses on are not the literal criminal actions, which are what would carry more weight in saying "it is wrong for Ask Japanese to work with this guy".

>>9728587
She has mentioned how he propositioned a 16 year old for sex (which is illegal in the USA)

It doesn't matter how biased she was, it's still fair use.

>>9728595
Fair use isn’t the issue here, the issue is what she’s saying can be considered slander towards AskJapan.

>>9728596
Slander isn't a violation of YouTube's TOS

>>9728596
Maybe so but it’s all true. Ask Japanese is trying to cover up all videos talking about how they support a man who has multiple sexual harassment allegations. They’re proving it true by trying to cover it up. They should’ve just left the videos alone. They made it an even bigger scandal.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/youtuber-court-battle-results-in-fair-use-win-for-online-reaction-videos/

>>9728594
Okay, that's solid. My only inquirey was it an offer that legally meets the definition? What I mean is this; if Jon in a text offered goods in exhange for sex and the girl turned him down or just didn't respond, then it's hard to use that as solid evidence. Not because it doesn't count to an extent, but in the courtroom people are looking for evidence that is very, very difficult to misinterpret. If he kept bothering the girl, even if it can't be proven he was really offering goods for sex, then you can switch the charge to harassment or sexual harassment. The big BIG issue I see is none of the victims have taken him to court. Tyler is sharing the experiences of people who then didn't take legal action.

>>9728596
Exactly. Slanderous statements made about someone are seen as a subjective reason to either work with, or not work with someone. In Japan, businesses work every differently then in the west and they treat slander differently. Why do you think Mr. Yan kept going for so long? No one was going after him legally. People were saying he harassed them, but no one tried to sue him or press charges. Taking legal action is important. Victims need to go to court, not to social media. Social media should be the platform after consulting matters; if you don't have the required evidence to go to court, then I understand taking to facebook.

>>9728604
Unfortunately no. And the 16 year old never took him to court either, which doesn’t help.
It’s highly unfortunate because none of the victims of his harassment ever took him to court. The 16 year old tried contacting his wife, and the wife didn’t seem to care.

>>9728587
There are also several accounts of him scamming people out of their money including not paying months (years?) of rent when he owned an arcade, and scamming some dude out of his money when Anime Matsuri was created. There were rumors that the stock in SIW was stolen from the brands but idk how true that is; the other points were proven to be true though.

>>9728601
This is true. This is why most internet scandels happen; a small mistep is reported on, that report is censored so everyone digs deeper because this usually hints as there's something bigger going on. Tyler's viewers are not Ask Japanese's viewers. The crossover is low and it would have been better to do nothing.

>>9728600
Slander isn't. But Ask Japanese can say Tyler is harassing them. This video can count, youtube has made past rulings based on if people "feel" that it's harassment.

>>9728608
The money scamming would make for a good case because of the paper trail. It creates a framework to back up people's stories and the timelines to those stories. But again, did these people go after him legally? The problem is we can technically, in countries that honor free speech laws, talk about the experiences of others, but we can't use a third party story to rationalize our lynch mob being in the right.

>>9728607
She could still report him, I think. But it's on her. She has to take the initiative and do it. The power is in her hands. We can support her in slaying the dragon, but she has to choose to do it. Any communication with his wife on this issue serves as great evidence.

>>9728587
>The issue is there is no companion "newspaper article"
What is this? houstonpress.com/arts/the-con-anime-matsuri-is-growing-and-so-is-the-list-of-people-unhappy-with-it-7764398

someone call up Udong Pongsuk to see if he ever filed anything against the Leighs

>>9728616
In the future, you may want to use archive.is to save things. I could not find a record of it being saved before, so just be aware that changes may have been made on this article, repeatedly, since it's publishing and we have no proof of those changes.
http://archive.is/hSOrx <-- there you go. Save it for the love of goodness.

>>9728617
This is important to know. Because, like I've said, our biggest problem is that even though we say the Leighs are badnewsbears, no one has taken them to court. And from Ask Japanese and Putumayo's perspectives that means there's no good grounds to avoid the Leighs.

Didn't minori post something on her twitter about not wanting to go back to AM?

>>9728630
Iirc she tweeted about having no interest in working with John again, after the sexual harassment stories came up.

>>9728627
>>9728617

He mentioned he did look into legal action , but was told by his lawyer even if he won the case, he likely wouldn't see any of the money

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/the-con-anime-matsuri-is-growing-and-so-is-the-list-of-people-unhappy-with-it-7764398

Here's a link to a list of links to all the old Anime Matsuri things for people who have been living under a rock the past few years or are new

http://www.boycottam.com/personal-testimonies/

>>9728630
>>9728633
Here's the minori tweet
https://twitter.com/cute_minori/status/613646760179732481

Translation:
"I want to work with honest people. There is so much that has happened that I didn’t even know about until now. John, whether you get dismissed or not, I can’t work with you anymore. There’s just so much that has surfaced.”

“I’ve heard stories from many different people. So this is my decision based on that. There are two sides to every story, so it doesn’t mean that one side is completely in the wrong. I can’t really explain how I feel.”

>>9728664
She took this decision based only on all the allegations? Or maybe John did something creepy to her too.

>>9728668
Sexual assault victims more often then not will refuse to talk about it due to fear or guilt

>>9728662
This is brilliant! Thank you for sharing, this is what I needed to really get something done.

>>9728669
I get that. I did not report an assault on myself many years ago but I also do not slander the person on social media. The issue here is not blaming the victims or excusing them or whatever. The issue is this; if we want to convince a media company like Ask Japan that not only are they douchebags, but that Jon is a monster and we're "right", then we need hard stuff to throw at them. Personally I am getting tired of people who want to see their monsters slain by other people. It feels more comfortable that way, but the truth is that it's a route that's unsafe to promote. We need to promote a supportive enviroment where if people choose to go after their demons then we will be there to help hold them up but we need to stop promoting the notion that spreading rumors about someone on the internet is just as legit of a method as standing up and taking them to task.

>>9728531
What Lovely lor's video are you talking about?

>>9728822
Lor put out a video called “controversial lolita store in USA” a year ago. She doesn’t take anyone’s side.

>>9728853
>doesn’t take anyone’s side
Go figure.

>>9728556
There is really no fucking need for her to make a third video.
At this point she is just milking the situation for all possible popularity points and there is a fine line to stop while she is ahead. Before we are all sick of her and hate her.

In light of this Buttcape is also going to make a new post and once again milk the situation for attention points.

This honestly seems less about the real issue then a views thing.

Overall, it doesn't matter if Tyler is slandering AJ or not, and the harassment defense is idiotic at best. Tyler's best move right now would be to fight against the strikes (which needs to be done either way - having a real person sit down and review the videos instead of an automatic counter on AJ's complaint will definitely help out) before posting anymore, OR post onto FB her story.

Honestly, I can't see much going through to AJ, CathyCat, or John after all of this. They'll still work together, the posts will stay up, and they'll all try to parade themselves as promoting kawaii culture while promoting a sexual harasser and pedophile.


>>9728863
>milking the situation for all possible popularity points
That's the stupidest thing I've heard as a response to this situation yet. Congrats.

>>9728863
CathyCat, is that you? Or just one of your many white knight fanboys?

>>9728863
What are you a fuckin idiot

Tyler's third video on this is now on FB.

Could we upload her newest video on FB to YouTube, as well as the deleted video(s) in question? People need to see this shit.

>>9728976
Are you trying to get her banned from YouTube or are you actually that fucking stupid?

>>9728997
Why would she be banned for other people uploading videos to their own channel when she didn't re-upload them herself? Are you completely illiterate on how YouTube works?

>>9729009
She said in her latest video that she didn't want others to upload her stuff onto their accounts.

Strange but I don't see any efamous lolitas talking about this...

>>9729141
A lot of this just happened today. We know Lor watches Tyler. Hopefully if she has any balls she’ll say something

>mfw she might not

>>9729145
Never mind. Checker her FB and she’s
~sure Cathy’s Cat has done nothing wrong~ but sends love and kisses. So surprised.

>>9728671
It wasn't me who put it together but I'm happy to share it. There's probably plenty more people who are quiet about things, so if you ask around on facebook you might get more stories.

Additionally it was being passed around the artist alley groups before and several artists came out about having similar creeper conversations with John, but unfortunately I don't think any of those got compiled here.

>>9728668
It's possible, but honestly anyone with eyes should be able to see there's enough proof out there that John's a creeper.

I wish there was a list of brands/people-of-interest who have said they are boycotting AM/etc

I don't understand why everyone's grumpy about Lor, she doesn't support AM and while I think she was trying too hard to be unbiased in her SiW video, she did mention that the Leighs were scummy

>>9728530
Quit giving this unfunny cunt attention

>>9728913
As someone who is unfortunately a daughter of a pedophile - I fucking despise these bitches getting attention for this. Getting efame points over a serious issue does nothing good for anyone.

I'm so sick of this media circus. What has happened to me and others like me is not your fucking daily entertainment.

There are people out there that seriously accepted that running a pedo ring out of a pizza parlor was a far fetched thing.

You fuck off.

>>9729292
>>9729303
Nice same post

>>9729303
>media circus
Fucking what? It’s one YouTuber in a small niche fashion community talking about a community issue, what the fuck are you on? It’s pretty obvious you’re on the Leigh’s dick and you’re coming up with a #tragicbackstory to try and garner sympathy.
Kindly fuck off.

>>9728594
>Illegal in the united states
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>The age of consent in Canada is 16. All U.S. states set their limits between 16 and 18.

Sixteen isn't a "child" and honestly she sounds silly when she keeps mentioning "child." Minor, i cam give her, but by 16 you're old enough to go to jail for fuck's sake.

>>9728576
What I love about Tyler is that her opinions are consistent, her bias is very clearly out there, nothing hidden or watered down and backed up where sources are credible.
Do you really think any of the other YT lolitas are worth hearing? Cause I can't stand them personally.

>>9729327
Do you not understand what a minor is or..

>>9728604
John is a twat, but he chooses his victims by how many leagues over them he is in terms of power, influence and financial status. It's like you aren't paying attention to the Hollywood worm churning going on.

>>9729327
You're probably an ephebophile attempting to make excuses for an over 40 YEAR OLD MAN.

I will say that CathyCat is upset and she's been receiving rape and death threats from Anonymous lolitas.

>>9729347
I very much doubt that considering the source.

>>9729347
If they're anonymous how do you know they're lolitas? Also; Fucking prove it.

>>9729347
>anonymous rape threats from lolitas
doubt it.

>>9728609
AskJapanese viewers are mouthbreathing retards who want to know how to court pretty oriental women. They don't actually consume anything of value, all of their videos are just going up and asking random Japanese people on the street about their sexlife and other bullshit they don't want to talk about. Nothing of value would be lost if they vanished forever, PigglesDeGaijin, Rachael and Jun, and Yuta are already doing a much better job as is.

>>9729327
Age of consent is not there to allow 40 year old men to chase after minors, read up on how that actually works. Also, Texas' age of consent is 17. Try again, fuckface.

>The age of consent is gender neutral and applies the same to both heterosexual and homosexual conduct. Like many other states, Texas does not enforce harsh penalties for individuals who has sex with someone under 17 as long as that person is not more than 3 years older than the minor.

>>9729347
lolitagate

>>9729347
>rape threats from lolitas
yeah sure dumbass

>>9729347
so now she has a problem with harassment? Funny thing

>>9729370
Pettigate

>>9729347
She hasn't made any posts about that or even spoken up about the accusations to begin with. She passive aggressively deletes comments talking about how sleazy the Leighs are and then acts like nothing happened. I seriously doubt she's getting threats

>>9729387
Apparently she's talking about it on Instagram? That's what the few people who care have been telling me about it.

>>9729389
Well, now she can experience the other side and see if she wants to keep her partnership with those sleazy fuckers.

>>9729347
>rape threats
>from lolitas
>anonymous lolitas, at that
Sounds fake but ok

>>9729163
She’s so fucking fake.

>>9729327
16 is still technically bellow the age of consent for Texas. While it does bother me when people use "pedophilia" to refer to ephebophilia, I'm not about to correct anyone if it means finally getting creepers like John out of the picture.

>we need proof
I mean all the screenshots are out there and don't forget this.

>>9729347
Okay cool like I’ve asked before; where is the proof? Where are these messages?

>>9729639
>2 hour course
This is troll level at this point.

>>9729323
I'm anonymous and it is a circus considering its just "me too" shit.

>>9729350
>>9729358
Have you guys seen what gets posted here usually? I don't have a hard time believing it at all.

>>9728664
Good on her, another reason why I love Minori. It's really that simple to cut off contact with scumbags.

>>9729742
This is nothing new. People have been pissed at the Leighs since the beginning of time.

Tyler did nothing more than what she normally does: explain drama that’s happening in the community. Had Ask Japanese not done anything, this would not have become a “circus” as you call it.

>>9729755
Are you not aware of how often this topic is in every fucking news outlet recently?

>>9729758
I am, but again Tyler didn’t just make up drama. People were mad at Cathy Cat for sponsoring a store owned by a couple the community hates. They would have been angry if this was last year or three years ago. Tyler then did what her channel is for, and made a video explaining why people don’t like them (which by the way, includes monetary scamming as well and she’s states that).

The big drama surrounding Tyler happened when Ask Japanese decided that a small YouTube channel posting a Tl;dr of why people are mad at one of their hosts was an issue and filed two falls copyright claims on her.

But you know, being appropriately pissed for something that should not have happened is ~bandwagoning~ now.

>>9729758
The Leigh's specifically have been an issue in our community for years, long before the #MeToo shit started. Don't try to lump it all together just so you can dismiss it.

>>9729768
DESU, I don’t think anon actually knows what we are talking about. I think they just saw sexual harassment + drama and got triggered.

>>9729647
>>9729639
I literally posted this yesterday please read the thread before commenting. A ton of links to proof compiled ages ago

http://www.boycottam.com/personal-testimonies/

>>9729761
The other shit being talked about out there wasn't made up either. Showcasing all of this isn't helping fight the pedophiles.

Its a pretty easy subject to bandwagon on. The fact that people think they need to make sure everyone knows they're against pedophilia and sexual assault is sad. Like do you want a gold star for thinking its wrong?

>>9729784
No, I want Ask Japanese to get their asses handed to them for filing false DMCAs on people who say things they don’t like.

>>9729784
How new are you that you don’t understand that people have been talking about how much they hate the Leighs for years? It doesn’t matter if it’s 2017 or 2014, people were going to react the exact same way to CC sponsoring Shop in Wonderland.

>>9729797
If you go back over 10 years in archives you will read how much bullshit the Leighs and AM have pulled off. From Don't Roofie The Water to Rodeo Shit Stain Black Mold Con to Illegal Backdoor Car Parts to Fucking Over Guests since their first con year.

Anyone who knows any or all or this who still support them are just as much of the problem then being a solution. You're supporting Pedophilia and Con Artists.

>>9729803
I agree? I think I misphrased that post. I meant everyone hates them and has for years. That anon is being an idiot and acting like Tyler suddenly dragged all this up just for the fame who’re points (which I firmly believe she did not)

>>9729347
This is BS. She is an ugly tryhard hag, no one would want to rape her. Plus she makes so many things about her, if she was actually getting threats she would post them.

Also, she has been dressing in lolita for years and still looks beyond ita.

>>9729780
I was asking for proof of these alleged rape threats, maybe you’re the one who should read the thread lol

>>9729792
This is my main beef with Ask Japanese at this point. The joke is working with the Leighs looks bad, but filing false DMCAs is just leagues above and beyond. This issue is what we really need to hold against them; they are a media company and this behavior is not acceptable.

>>9729761
Ask Japanese shot the messanger. Tyler is basically our dailyshow; she's a comdy act built around the stories we percieve as newsworthy. Think of how bad it would look for a company to go after the daily show, that's what's happening here. It was a poor move on their part and it turned a "ruffled petticoats" level of upset into a full-blown scandal.

>>9729335
>It's like you aren't paying attention to the Hollywood worm churning going on.
I'd like to point out how a lot of those worms could have been put behind bars for sexual assault, but no one made a stink until after all evidence became weak or iffy due to the passage of time. What I've been trying to say over and over again here is we need to somehow promote an environment in this community and others that if someone has wronged you, we will support you in going after them. The sooner wrongs are righted the more likely we can slay the dragons for good.

Has Misako ever said anything about the Leighs? I'm sure she's heard everything, but it's concerning to me she's always been quiet about the situation. It's disappointing to think that the reason she's always been mum about the issue might be because they pay her so well when she works with them.

>>9729837
There was a tweet about her crying back when it was a big thing. She has to know since the KA talked to her, they made a translated account of things to show her as well. They made their choice.

>>9729837
I think she said something along the lines of she found it troubling and wasn't sure what to think, but in the end she still went to AM and never said anything more about it

>>9729855
Probably because Baby were tied to AM via a contract so she couldn't do anything even if she wanted to. Emphasis on "were", they don't work with AM anymore afaik.

>>9729746
cgl is full of crossboarders who come here to take their impotent rage out on girls, so anonymous posts here are hardly a good indication of what the lolita community is really like. Hint: if anyone is making rape threats, it’s probably not the women who are trying to take down a sexual predator.

>>9729784
This isn't about being for or against anything. This is about finally getting rid of the Leighs for good. They've been a pain in the ass for years and we shouldn't have to put up with them anymore. If you can't understand that, I'm going to just assume that you're new.

>>9729784
Yeah it's definitely better to keep our mouths shut about stuff like this and just passively let karma do its job, that's been working out great so far and you can already see how everyone has abandoned him and stopped buying from him or collaborating with him... OH WAIT

>>9729929
Because in the end, Salty Bitches want to look pretty even if it means buying it from the pedo devil.

>>9729932
Yup. Low-effort online virtue signalling aside, a lot of people don't actually give a fuck about moral issues that don't directly affect them. There are so many things that “everyone knows” and agrees are bad and terrible, but then they still turn around and give their money to people or corporations that have been outed as committing or benefiting from these things. Take slavery for example, which is still a huge problem in the garment industry. Everyone will agree that slavery is bad if you ask them, but they have no problem ignoring that when time comes to buy trendy new clothes. Slavery is bad mmkay but like… I don’t want to pay more than $15 for a shirt UwU

If you want to affect change you have to rub it in repeatedly until people can no longer ignore it, even if it's a subject that "everyone knows" is bad. Because just because everyone knows, that doesn’t mean everyone cares to do anything about it. It has nothing to do with wanting attention or a gold star.

okay so did anyone actually file a report again John or not? Ffs. I wasn't even a victim of his and I'll do it. There's too much proof for this to go unreported.

>ignores everybody and keep the colab with a rapist pedo
>consored a video about the pedo
>blocks everybody that doesn't agree with her

cathy just died for me, i'll ignore her like she ignored everyone that was disapointed with her, the people that helped her get where she's now.

"she's been harrased online "

i just don't give a fuck

>>9728531
>contacted 4chan

>>9729968
They're probably scared to file because he has money and enough of a following that people will defend him

>>9729957
>>9729932
but are people even still shopping at his store?
I cant image it. Unless he sells it for retail or less or if he was selling it in EU without the VAT pricing. Its so easy to buy online and have it shipped in the US but i know EU anons have to pay so much extra because of tax that its cheapest to use an expensive SS who will mark as gift to avoid customs.

Or do texans just live on instant gratification?

>>9729813
Because she’s not really into lolita. She has honestly no connection to the lolita community, she’s more into lolrandum decora. Lolita is just a way she can get attention and a quick buck.
And don’t doubt that she’s the one that filed the claims via AskJapanese

>>9730076
They probably buy wholesale price, which is usually 50% off marked price... They probably aren't making as much of a profit as they should though if they're not pricing them as the original Japanese cost + handling/shipping

>>9730062
He is known for sending lawyers after people

>>9730098
Exactly. Women are smart to not try. Hopefully he leaves Tyler alone

>>9728602
Tyler said that she doesn't know who h3h3 are, she should probably be more aware of youtube culture and take notes on how to handle these sorts of things, it would really help her in making future videos.

>>9728587
There's a huge issue with this sort of thing on a platform like YouTube. Her opinion is loud and clear but she provides very little evidence and spends most of her time preaching morals while name-calling, body shaming and yelling pedo. He's an ephebophile at worst and while a scum bag abusing his power, pedophiles are a much more disgusting monster and I don't think it's right to use the word so casually. I've had this problem with old h3 videos that present their issues poorly and end up not being taken seriously, like the crazy youtube pedo ring videos.

>>9728863
That's a bit much but I'll agree that YouTube is full of people bandwagoning on drama for views, and is probably not a good platform for this movement. The AM boycott page information should be more easily accessible and widely known, but rather than provide that, we just got a sense of her outrage.

I hope Lor or someone make a more level headed comprehensive video that gives a wide audience of plebs all the information they need. AskJapan is obviously pretty pissed about this and I think it would be much harder for them to shut it down if a few people are firing off videos in a short period, with many subs.

>>9730125
Thank you anon. You seem to have your head together.

>>9730125
Lor already made a video, I'm fairly certain. It was full of asspats, but who's surprised.

>>9730321
Did she? Where did she post it?

>>9730338
Nevermind, sorry. She made a FB post sharing Tyler's video and saying how bad she felt for CathyCat in it.

Don’t forget the brand that went missing from fashion shows only to show up in their store

>>9730457
Was that claim ever substantiated, though? Don't get me wrong, the Leighs are complete scum and I wouldn't put it past them, but from what I can remember that was a rumor started by shitlord Choke here on CGL that got people wound up and when they started asking for proof she dipped out.

>>9730060
GG Lolita here. Just gonna out myself a bit to call Jon out; sorry dude, this isn't an issue falling on those political lines. I spend a lot of time debating SJWs and I understand that type of logic. This isn't a left-wing witch hunt, this is just calling Jon out. There is so much documentation that I'm sorry, you can't blame it on extreme feminists stretching the truth or making stuff up. There is no way this mountain of very precise first-hand accounts is fabricated. It's all coming from real events. I know how to poke holes in lies and I can't find any here.

>>9730457 >>9730473
I don't know what to think about this rumor. It would be very strange for a company to let that much brand slip without there being some kind of drama explosion. On top of that, given that other brands collab and work with Jon still to this day, I think it's hard to believe. What I would believe is that he somehow made a deal that was underhanded and got the better end of it in a way that would be considered really off-putting or rude.

>>9730457
Can confirm this was a lie. >>9730473 Adding on to this, Choke refused to give proof and later on pretended that nothing happened. I've also had friends that went into the store out of curiosity and the brands they have there are brands they have contracts with.

I want AM out of this community, but it's not going to work by spreading rumors or information that has no evidence. That is only going to make our fight against them weaker. Once they can prove that some of our arguments against them doesn't hold up, it's easier for them to muffle the rest of the evidence.

I'd be surprised if the 2 removed videos aren't restored, she has enough followers that youtube actually bother to check.

>>9730639
That's not how youtube works anon, at least not the copyright system. Youtube only manually checks your video for demonitization (not copyright) if it received over 1k views (not subscribers) in the past seven days.

>>9730642
I was basing this off what Venus went through when margo copyrighted things.

>>9730622
Exactly. The Leighs need to gtfo but lies to get people angrier will only wipe clean what they've actually done. Choke had real evidence of shit John did, but the second she started making shit up they could have easily come back and said she made all of it up and have their arguments hold more water than hers.

>>9729837
Misako loves the little pink prada wallet the Leighs gave her, she is sold for life

>>9730079
She goes to meet-ups, though? Well, at least she did go to them years ago.

>>9730658
She posted a couple of selfies with it when they gave it to her but she'll also post selfies with a cute napkin if it's the only opportunity she has to take a selfie on a given day where she's wearing kawaii fashion. There are a lot more recent examples of her still being tight with them (such as still attending their cons and showing up to in-store events at SIW), the wallet is old news imo.

>>9730660
I attended some meet ups with her, and she recorded at all of them. It made me really uncomfortable, but I didn't want to cause a stink since everyone else just agreed to it.

All the Anime Matsuri stuff is old news, why bring it up now? Also from what I’ve heard John isn’t around at the con, I heard he hides in staff only rooms.
Would it be wrong to go and take a bodyguard?

>>9731122
Supporting the con with your money or body is still supporting. The only choice is to let the con die.

>>9731122
>he hides in staff only rooms
That's new. He used to host the Tea Party.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g9Bkeb4YsM

>>9731141
>posts video from 2015

After this first broke, John apologized and then hid himself away and hasn't done much since. There really isn't much reason to bring this up again because Cathy Cat decided to model a t-shirt. No one has solid proof. no new evidence has surfaced. I feel like Tyler just needed new content to video about since the Kelly Eden incident.

>>9731148
Fucking thank you.

>>9731122
Bullshit. His ass was on stage at every chance at AM 2017. He would MC to pimp himself out. He was not hiding at all.

>>9731148
There is though, because John is trying to reach out to the fashion community AGAIN even if he already got so much backlash. You would think any same person would go hiding or search s new community to mess with, but not John, he will try and try again for whatever reason to get popular in the Jfashion community

>>9731330
*any sane person

>>9731148
But, again, Tyler was just reporting on drama that was already happening in the community. I was in no way surprised to see her post a video on it after seeing several people bitch about Cathy when it happened. I’m not sure if people remember, but the point of the show is to “report” drama that’s happening in the community?

Can't wait for next year AM tea party since it will be scheduled Thursday evening. With booze, John will have a lot of fun with all the lolis there.
Can't wait for all the drama.

>>9731355
The first video was reporting it but 2nd and 3rd is just going overboard and making it ALL about her.

>>9731454
Have to disagree. She is trying to make sure that Ask Japanese doesn’t cover this up, which I agree with

>>9731484
Nah she didn't need to make two videos more like that. This was about John, not Ask Japanese and the name calling and slander which is probably what AJ went after needs to be toned down in sensitive subjects like this. She lists her pateron right at the top and it's gone up $50-80 since this started so she's making a profit off this shit, as have her subs.

>>9731454
Completely agree, she really lost my respect with the follow up videos and spamming it everywhere.

>>9731454
It's not just about her though. As people have mentioned ITT, companies abusing the copyright takedown system is a big problem on YouTube, and AJ is using it to silence criticism. It's a community issue, or at least it should be.
>>9731512
Yeah, it was about John. Until AJ came in and made it a community issue, see above. Also copyright strikes are different from content violations. SS is getting copyright strikes, so your point is moot.

>>9730660
>>9730683
And she sold the footage to TV without asking! Think she got told off for it. Tbh haven’t seen her at meets probably because she can’t film and make herself some yen

>>9731355
>Tyler was just reporting
She's not a fucking reporter. Quit giving her this much credit, good lord.

>>9731648
I mean, that’s the premise of her show? It’s a fake “news” comedy show about drama in the community. whether you like the show or not, you can’t get mad at her for doing exactly what she’s always done. should she just skip topics that happen to be trending in the mainstream to make sure no one thinks she’s a band wagoner?

>>9731677
She should get a new act because fake news has been done to death.

>>9732303
>Stop liking what I don't like!
No one is forcing you to watch it.

>>9732303
She’s been doing it for years, and there’s no one else doing it in the comm. rn. Some people like her, others don’t. I’m of the opinion that regardless she should not be getting false DMCAs served against her, regardless.

>>9732303

>>9732303
You could just not watch it you know.
I don't watch her vids either, found them a bit lame desu.
But I think she should keep doing whatever the fuck she likes as long as she's still enjoying it and people are still watching it.

>>9730076

Yeah people from my comm still purchase from that shop. They said “ohhhhhh I didn’t know but this was the only place that had this item I was looking for~” the person could have just said hey I got this new item without mentioning the shop. I kind of just said oh why didn’t you get an SS to get it? With a confused look on my face as they tried explaining it to me and everyone around me along with saying “oh but I won’t buy from them again!”

Sure Jan..

Lolita’s can’t let go of material things or have a backbone as a comm so the Leigh’s keep being a problem.

>>9732699
There are Lolitas in Houston actively supporting the shop.

and this is why lolita brands keep shutting down.

do you guys not realize that the lolita community is famously toxic and witch-hunty?

It's why no one other than the Leighs want to support you. Literally biting the only hand that wants to feed you monsters

>>9733078
We dont need to be fed. The internet exists, we can continue to shop the way we have for years; which is online. I'll bit the hand that feds me if the other hand is trying to slip into my bloomers.

>>9733078
If I remember correctly most of us have gotten along just fine without having to ever buy from the Leigh's. Big brands are doing fine. And J-fashion departments at other cons are still thriving.

Wrong. Brands SWIMMER, Putumayo & Essentric had to shut down this past month. Because of people like you. But keep doing this and see how rare and expensive your lace gets.

No Leigh has ever tried to put their hand down your bloomers. Don't pretend like that's an actual fear. If it is, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Ive never been personally (as I don't live in Texas), but Shop in Wonderland is, I think, the only shop in America that actually sells this stuff. Use your head. What does that mean to japanese/korean brands? It means reaching out to another demographic to see if it's worth expanding to America more.
By "boycotting" to make yourself feel better is literally killing any chance of more Lolita in america. And for what?

Don't act like lace market is more convenient than an actual shop.

It's like you guys are literally proud of being toxic. You realize you're the bullies now, right? Some people actually enjoy Lolita to look cute and have fun, not to run their petticoats through the mud

>>9733095
Why would you choose to support a documented conman and predator out of convenience?

>>9733095
So we should support a KNOWN predator so we can buy frills more conveniently? Got it. Not like it's super easy to get a SS or buy on LM.

>>9733095
I'm going to bite even though this is most likely very obvious bait;
>SWIMMER, Putumayo & Essentric had to shut down
It's Excentrique, not "Essentric".
Swimmer is closing because manufacturing their stuff became too expensive and they never decided to sell to international customers, even though there was obvious demand for their merchandise. Excentrique's founder decided to retire and apparently no one stepped up to take their place so it went under, and Putumayo was outdated and unpopular, not because western lolitas are meanies but because current trends are OTT sweet and classic, and punk lolita hasn't been popular in years.
>Shop in Wonderland is, I think, the only shop in America that actually sells this stuff.
Factually incorrect, there's BTSSB and AP in San Fransisco, and BTSSB and Tokyo Rebel (that sells many different brands) in New York. All run by reputable people, unlike the Leighs.
Judging by your inane "opinions" and the fact you don't know how to reply to posts, you're either trolling or just super new to this board and to lolita in general, assuming you're a lolita at all.

>>9733095
>Essentric

Neither Swimmer nor Putumayo closed this month. There are actual official brand stores in the US, too, not shitty resale stores.

A "documented" predator.

I bet you had to pause at the word "documented", because whatever you have is nothing or based on a rumor or "my friend told me this". Meanwhile, as you stated "the other conventions have a thriving jfashion communities".
Texas has ikkicon, who is run by a CONVICTED pedophile, and same with dragoncon.

But no. John Leigh said something over facebook. Let's kill him. Everything you have against him is either incredibly old news and apologized for or not proven.

And no. It's not for convenience, it's to not kill our community. I love Lolita and it's literally dying because people like you refuse to move on and be adults. I've met John and he's a nice guy, I don't see the big fuss. If he ever tried amything with me, as with anyone, id tell him off but I genuinely can't see him even trying.

You're also missing the point. Convenience? I'm baffled that you think I'm arguing convenience. Lolita is DYING. it will be GONE. If you think convenience means "being able to buy Lolita at ALL", then yes I'm arguing "convenience"

>>9733112
> Let's kill him.
Sounds like a good plan anon, glad you agree.

>>9733112
If you're worried about lolita dying, give your money to the brands you love and wear the fashion like clothes rather than cosplay for cons. Lining John Leigh's pockets and licking his ass does diddly squat to support the fashion.

>>9733095
I don't have a stake in this argument, but what you're saying is flat out incorrect.

>SWIMMER, Putumayo & Essentric had to shut down this past month
Nobody boycotted those brands, there just wasn't enough interest in them. Also I'm pretty sure that they didn't get most of their sales from international customers anyways.

> but Shop in Wonderland is, I think, the only shop in America that actually sells this stuff
SiW isn't the only store in the US that carries lolita. Both AP and Baby have physical stores in the States, and Tokyo Rebel is a dealer for a bunch of brands.

>By "boycotting" to make yourself feel better is literally killing any chance of more Lolita in america
Not really. Like I mentioned above, there are other brick-and-mortar stores that we can buy from even if we boycott the Leighs. And even if we don't shop at those locations, most brands these days ship internationally anyways. Even the ones that don't ship internationally know about international interest.

2/10 for making me respond to either bait or a Leigh stan.

>>9733112
>. Lolita is DYING. it will be GONE. If you think convenience means "being able to buy Lolita at ALL

Yeah me not buying from a pervert means the secondhand market will suddenly disappear and AP and Baby will shut down in the blink of an eye am I rite.

>>9733112
>Lolita is DYING
Bait confirmed gtfo

>>9733095
>Harajuku Hearts
>Tokyo Rebel
>BTSSB SF and NYC
SiW is not the only physical shop in America that actually sells lolita, but it appears to be the only one run by a sexual predator. I don't care because I'm scared of the Leighs putting their hands down MY bloomers, I care because I don't want anyone putting their hands down anyone's bloomers without permission, especially not a minor's. I personally would not enjoy my lolita clothes as much if I knew that buying them had given a predator money, but if being an gross enabler and leaving other lolitas in danger is fun for you, anon, then I guess you can keep buying your overpriced, pedo-enabling burando and I'll keep complaining about them.

Also,
>Essentric
>Well done, you successfully baited me. You bad fucking person.

>>9733110
OK ill tag you, since you're making specific points instead of asinine vague statements.

You're simply wrong on all counts. Calling me bait, while clearly baiting me to somehow "prove" myself to be worthy of even discussing it. It's classic toxic lolita tactics, which my better judgement tells me not to even engage because brick walls make for terrible debaters.

I wasn't actually aware of the other shops in San Francisco, as that would make sense since shipping there from Japan would be slightly cheaper. However, San Francisco has a pretty big fashion draw to that city, in general, so whose to say.

I'm going to leave on this, because I have better things to do than argue with 4chan, but you guys ARE killing the lolita community within america, whether these brands closing are directly related to it or not. I'll do more research on why they closed, myself, as you failed to cite anything other than yourself.

The Leighs seem to actually love lolita, whether you do or not. If you hate them or wont go to their events, then they're obviously not doing it for you, so get over yourselves. I've attended maybe 5 or 6 of their tea parties and fashions shows and its had a relatively small but really enjoyable crowd. I'm not inviting toxic into a good thing, but moreso just encouraging other girls to get over old news, being scared that other lolitas will crucify you for trying to enjoy yourselves.

SO many girls want to get into it, and the second they get a wiff of the stench from people like you, they run for the hills. Just have fun, and if anyone tries to do anything to you be an adult or call the damn cops, not start a witchhunt on 4chan, for godsake children.

>>9733123
>SO many girls want to get into it,
Jesus christ you're delusional and sound incredibly creepy.

We aren't "killing the lolita community" by refusing to support one of the shops here because it's run by a pervert, we're just killing Johns chance of making fat stacks while simultaneously harassing young women.

>BRANDS ARE SHUTTING DOWN WAHHHHH
>LOLITA IS DYING
>meanwhile Wunderwelt rolls around in the profits from the convenience of their online empire
>Moitie gets with the times and jumps on board
>even Haenuli and Taobao brands

Yeah the fact that people don't want to support SiW will not really affect the lolita market so that argument can die now k thanks bye

>>9733128
But a-anon, you aren't letting John stick his hand down your bloomers :'((( you're killing lolita!!!!!b111

>>9733112
Ikkicon and Dragoncon aren't as directly targeted at us as Anime Matsuri, and its creators aren't directly profiting off us like the Leighs are. The battles are more for the cosplayers to fight. But nice try, Bait-chan.

>>9733131
not what anyone said, but ok haha

>>9733128
OT but I'm so happy about Moitie's revival. I hope they start releasing new designs more frequently and offer lucky packs again, I'm so ready to throw my money at Mana again.

>>9733133
>doesn't know what a joke is

retard confirmed.

>>9732548
Well her shits getting taken down and I've only seen one episode ever.

>>9733132
but "lining the pockets" of the owners of Ikkicon and Dragoncon is cool.

It's amazing to me, that THAT's ok and not your fight but these vague accusations of someone trying to do the community good is just completely out of line. I'm literally speechless that the pedophiles over the other conventions you probably attend is fine to you.

You know what 'convicted' means, right? like its not something you can apologize over FB for

>>9733123
So, which one of the Leighs are you? I'm guessing the enabling waifu?

>>9733140
Do Ikkicon and Dragoncon even offer J-fashion related content? I don't attend cons at all so I wouldn't know, but if they don't, what reason do lolitas have to boycott these cons in the first place?
Please refer to >>9733132
>The battles are more for the cosplayers to fight

i dont know why i bothered. have fun on your witchhunt everyone.

its worked so well in the past and only good things to come your way in the future!

remember. get mad on the internet, and boycott until your next lolita purchase comes in! yay lolita

im out, enjoy your immense free time.

>>9733140
Nice try, but I wouldn't be seen dead at those cons. It's just that the Leighs are more directly involved in the lolita community so they are the priority.

Lol, nice job leaving though! If you don't want to argue on 4chan, just gtfo.

>>9733143
defends sound judgement and taking adult precautions and enjoying what you want.

must be a Leigh. nice try haha

>>9733138
This is 100% one of the Leighs

>>9733154
>supporting a known creeper and scammer is sound judgment

>>9733154
>taking adult precautions
>buying clothes from a sexual predator
Oh, Bait-chan. You crack me up

>>9733147
>>9733123
>>9733112
>>9733095
If you hate "meanie lolitas" this much, you should probably just leave the fashion. Not like anyone's gonna miss you anyway.

>>9733163
But then how will she and her husband make money? They've burnt so many bridges in Texas already!

>>9733128
Even VM is joining in.
>https://twitter.com/wunderweltfleur/status/944507882313277442

>>9733218
This is wonderful news!
>no pun intended
Not so much for my wallet, but all the same.

>>9733147
you're not even a part of this community. you think this is about defending some poor guy. newsflash, anime is a gateway to Japanese culture for preteens and teens. this guy runs an anime convention, and formerly ran an arcade. now he runs a brand resell shop. all of these are minor magnets, whether they have the money to shop or not.

I live on the east coast. SiW doesn't mean shit to me. It wouldn't mean shit even if I did live in Houston. If you want to run a good business, keep your fucking nose clean. if your personal life is sketch and full of skeletons it will affect your business. that's reality.
I will continue to buy brand and indie, used or new.
I have not bought anything from John Leigh and I never will. U.S. Lolitas don't need some emotionally ill and predatory middleman. you should be sticking up for the inexperienced, young, or newbie itas who are going to unwittingly coming into contact with this guy and his complacent, enabling wife.

>we're killing lolita
Excuse me while I check on my Meta order via rakuten and when Antique Beast will reopen for orders.
P.S. suck my dick.

>>9733095
>>9733112
>>9733123
>>9733147

Amazing! It's like you have no idea just how stupid and clueless you sound.

>>9733112
>John Leigh said something over facebook. Let's kill him.

>>9733123
>I'm not inviting toxic into a good thing, but moreso just encouraging other girls to get over old news, being scared that other lolitas will crucify you for trying to enjoy yourselves.

I hope you're still reading this thread because let me break something down for you. I know the focus is about John's sexual harassment drama, but the Leighs have been known to exploit and manipulate lolitas for their own personal gain. You sound pretty new and I want to encourage you to join the actual lolita community (not the jfashionistas group) and actually get to know the lolitas in Houston. Talk to the ones who have been through the drama first hand. The Leighs influenced toxic behavior in the community by turning our comm against others as if it was a competition. They repeatedly gave special treatment to people and used it as leverage to use them. They used a tragedy in the community to successfully manipulate one of the mods. It is not just because of the sexual harassment for why they are no longer welcomed in our communities. They severely hurt our community and if you sincerely love lolita so much, try talking to some of them and understand where they're coming from.

I have a feeling that the Leighs have said that you would not be accepted in the local community but that's not true. Yes I'm sure there will be some that will shun you, but our community also has wonderful people that you'd love to know. Go ahead and give it a chance and I'm sure others will give you one too. I'm simply trying to encourage you to get all sides of the stories, it's the only way for you to understand the truth.

>>9733371
Your intentions are good but that anon mentioned that they don't even live in Texas, so they basically just came here to try shitting up the thread.

>>9733140
Ikkicon doesn't have Jfashion programing anymore and Dragoncon never catered to Lolitas. Plus if they did they and ti was brought to the communities attention like it this was they would be just as dragged through the mud just like the Leighs.

>>9733112
Ikkicon is not run by a pedo
Get your facts straight
If so show me proof

>>9733140
Ikkicon is run by a happily married man with children. Unlike John who grabs every pussy within eye sight. Dragonkon is run by an awesome group of people who do things for their community. They involve the normies

>>9733147
>mfw mass complaints causes HH to fire Lynda and yet, lolita fashion is still sold in San Francisco

Wow it's almost like boycotting did something and lolita fashion is still safe?

>>9733218
BLESS

>>9733488
Dragoncon severed its connection to the pedophile YEARS ago. if AM dropped the leighs, we would all happily involve ourselves I’m sure.

>>9733517
>>9733488

This lmao. Dragoncon def made a big post about how they got rid of the owner/founder. They had to buy his shares of the con or something, but they got rid of him.

>>9733517
>>9733545
>dragofags thinking allll pedophile elements were removed from dragoncon
>Dragoncon starts helping Momocon
>Got ride of 1 pedo, picked up 3 more.

>>9733158
No you moron. I just don't like Tyler. I've shit posted every time she gets brought up.

Out of curiosity, has John ever been convicted before?

>>9733691
Wow. So you're just a vendetta-chan. You probably don't even care about the Leighs and are just out to hate on Tyler. So lame.

>>9733779
Yes. She's a fucking hack and is somehow more washed up than Tina Fey.

>>9733805

>>9733691
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!
So don't watch her, don't read the thread about her. It's like you're determined to be buttmad, and to ruin it for any anon that happens to like her content.
You should speak to a doctor about your salt content.

>>9733939
Nah. I'm gonna keep shit talking her like I would with someone like Carlos Mencia. She's garbage.

>>9733779
>>9733850
Get a load of these fucking 2008 meme generator posts.

Talk about embarrassing.

>>9733112
You're a fucking idiot. There are at least four other cons in Texas with Lolita programming, and all of them are pedo-free. STFU

>>9733488
Don’t John and Denabler have children, too? Poor kids.

>>9733691
I’m not a fan of her content either but at least I’m not enough of an embarrassment to admit to obsessive vendettaposting. Get a hobby.

>>9734155
Sounds like you're salty that she gets more attention than you.

>>9729837
I put her in the pedo box long ago since she chose to continue working with them. Minori dropped them like the hot potato the Leigh's are. If Minori can stop working with AM, so can the rest. Anybody who doesn't is in the pedo box.

>>9734157
Still less embarrassing than your ridiculous vendetta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hasWjw_olGg rando made a video...

Why the fuck does the biggest concern is can make it to with the coolest fucking venue have to have so much shit surrounding it?

>>9734297
I think Minori was just a one-off guest so she's not really comparable to Misako who's tied to Baby and does what the brand hires her to do.

>>9735367
Too bad his channel barely gets any views.

>>9734291
I'm not failing at being a comic with a shitty gimmick, so I have no reason to be jelly.

>>9735341
Nothing is more embarrassing than posting dated memes, anon. It's so funny how behind cgl is compared to other boards.

>>9735529
>Nothing is more embarrassing than posting dated memes
Idk, spending days throwing a bitchfit about people liking something you don’t on an anonymous image board might be up there

>>9735593
I post during my commute. Doesn't take long and there isn't really anything else to do while sitting in traffic.

>>9735593
>trying this hard to prove you're not the Leighs and that you don't have a vendetta

>>9735701
I'm so embarrassed for them

>>9735367
That was actually a better video than I expected.

>>9735367
he speaks pretty well on camera. hed be good as a "history explained" youtuber

>>9735529
>dated memes
Bitch, I don't see a timestamp, do you?

>>9735367
how long until Ask Japanese and Cathy Cat get this video removed for copyright infringement too?

>>9735701
>mocks the anon hating on people for enjoying tyler’s videos
>i’m the leighs now
???

>>9735952
Same thing I was thinking

>>9735704
Don’t be embarrassed for sexual harassers

>>9735906
Dated has more than one meaning.

>>9736039
I'm only embarrassed for people in this thread

>>9735375
What about Kaie and BABI? Look at how close they are with Johnny boi, and they don't seem to give a shit. Why should we?

>>9735375
The Leighs had invited Minori to the states before AM for a stand alone event. So she was on track to be a frequent guest.

>>9733122
Isn't the owner of Harajuku Hearts (Lynda) really shady too? Just pointing that out.

>>9740278
Where tf have you been lol

https://youtu.be/I2Tw9dtoaJ4

This person seemed to have some good points too.

>>9740592
Is this a self post? You should've used a script or some notes with whatever you wanted to say. The amounts of ums and uhs made me lose interest within a minute.

>>9740625
I can assure you thats not a self post nor do I know who posted it.

>>9740592
>>9740651
>18 views
>not a self post
Please stop. Also you dress like an ita.

>>9740657
hey I didn't post the video

>>9740657
it's literally the first video that comes up

>>9740664
damn my ss program messed up. I'll try again

>>9740666

>>9740664
>>9740666
>>9740667
Learn to screen shot

>>9740667

And you went looking for those specific search terms five hours after the video was posted because?

PS Cristy we've seen you commenting in the COF thread, so it's not exactly a secret that you post here.

>>9740657
Oh wow thats super cringey. I hope you are proud

>>9740672
I'm sure an admin could see that I am not the poster that video. Loads of people make assumptions

>>9738066
Supposedly they were saying at Rufflecon that they had been under a contract, which now is expiring so they won't be working with the Leighs anymore. Part of that contract was that they couldn't guest at any non-Leigh USA cons (besides RC because it pre-dated the contract). I don't think they will make a public announcement but hopefully they will start showing up at other cons/SIW won't get new stock from them and that will be the proof.

The first video has been restored onto YouTube.

That daipersteph sissie is apparently reposting his lolita fetish shit on his tumblr

>>9740960
Wrong thread?

>>9740997
wasn't sure if it'd be more appropriate here or in the general

They're both creeps

>>9741003
Most men are creeps, welcoming them in the coms is a huge mistake.

>>9741003
We made a thread for it on lolcow's /snow/. Look for it in the catalog.

>>9740960
link please

ScarfingScarfs is now sponsored by LolitaDesu

>>9742102
Elaborate please.

>>9740821
Cool. More efame for the hack.

>>9742110
New Years Eve video is back up
https://youtu.be/UNn5KLQhSAo
at the end she announces it

>>9742111
Vendetta chan at it again

>>9735367
I liked that, the music was so calming

>>9742102
LolitaDesu trying to low-key campaign against SiW? Hmmm

>>9742440
I'd support that. LolitaDesu is quite overpriced but their service is excellent, and they aren't run by scamming creeps afaik.

Meh. It comes with the territory. They only get up in arms after the fact; long after the fact. Fisherman complaining about getting wet.

>>9742555

>>9742558
Nah not bait. Just still salty of the whole Hollywood thing.This topic triggers me. Feel free to ignore.

>>9742118
Don't care and I'm not going away.

Better get used to it. How's it feel to know you'll never lick her sweaty puss?

>>9742555
By basically saying "That's just how things are" you're allowing sexual predators to get away with being sexual predators. You're giving them a free pass to sexually harass and rape people because it "comes with the territory"

So apparently she might get sued??????

>>9743037
If they try to sue I will literally chip in money for a lawyer

>>9743037
Holy fuck. Seconding the willingness to help with court fees, this is actual horse shit.

>>9743037
Does anyone know of any good lawyers who practices in Texas to defend her?

>>9743037
I'd give to legal aid too. Fuck this piece of shit asshat.

>>9743037
does anyone want to research the firm? is it legit?

>>9743049
actually just checked myself it is legit

>>9743037
What kind of mickey mouse law firm would actually defend the Leighs lmao

>>9743037

I'm ready to donate to whatever, godfundme, youcaring, hell link the paypal.

>>9743054
Saul Goodman

Where is Masao when you need him?

Masao
Masao
Masao!

John Leigh is the Ryan Kopf of Texas.

What if we could share a copy around the community to upload to to YouTube channels /wherever we can that way it's everywhere to be seen. Idk just an idea... so even if she has to take down her videos there's no stopping it..

>>9743037

Seconding the other posters here, I'd donate to legal fees

>>9743039
>>9743044
Agreed
>>9743046
I sent it off to VideoGameAttorney, but signal boosting to h3h3 and other folks would be great.
>>9743049
Firm is legit, if mediocre. Still fucked.
>>9743079
If they take her to court all of these videos become public domain, let 'em, it'll be hilarious.

>>9743037
She can’t be sued, her videos fall under the fair use law, she should put a disclaimer that says: “The footage in this video falls under Fair Use Law 107 allowing for education, comment and criticism. The content of this video should NOT be taken as FACT. Any research done to obtain information about the content of this video is done by myself and presented to the best of my knowledge.

The intent of this video is to create a conversation in which people can share their thoughts and opinions.”

>>9743104
She can very well be sued, there is however less of a chance that she can be sued SUCCESSFULLY. It takes money to fight court cases, as well as time. Tyler doesn't have much of either I'm sure.

>>9743037
brb, sending her money

>>9743088
gonna try to boost this to h3h3 productions as well

>>9743107
>Tyler doesn't have much of either I'm sure.
If the response over the last hour is any indication, she's absolutely got the community support to fight this, which will help on both fronts.
I hate that, in terms of stressload, Tyler is bearing the worst of this bullshit right now but I really hope this results in some actual, tangible change regarding Matsuri. Best-but-most-unlikely-case, it starts a domino-effect that eventually kills the convention for good...but I'd be happy just to see this conversation finally bleed out of the lolita community and for other people, especially cosplayers and general attendees, to start really giving a shit for more than a couple of days at a time. Often I've seen people write off this whole issue as "typical catty lolita drama" because that's how people perceive us, and that stigma needs to be shaken off of this conversation somehow for things to really get going. It's too bad that the crude nature of Tyler's videos will definitely detract from the overall impact, but I know she didn't go into this for anything other than fun and community banter so it's not like I can get mad at her about it.

>>9743109
Why? They might not even take her to court

>>9743126
I like her channel and I want to support her, regardless of a court case, but if she's got that on the horizon, she's going to need it.

>>9743037
Does Tyler really feel that strongly about this to go through all this? This could potentially fuck her life up. I feel like a lot of people are pushing her to go through this, like it's some obligation of hers. All I see is people screaming "fair use, fair use!" but there is more here than that. Even in the case of H3h3, it was a long fight and they already had so much more support and funds at their hands.

I just hope she stop listening to the people saying to ignore and gets an actual attorney to review this.

>>9743147
If Tyler didn't feel that strongly about it she wouldn't have made the videos, fought two takedowns, or shared the C&D. If all you're seeing is people screaming "fair use" you're not paying close enough attention because she already said she's going to an attorney.

My favorite thing about this is the massive amount of lawyer-chans that can comment with the utmost authority on the nuances of fair use etc.

>>9743155
Because writing one sentence to YT to repeal a take down is the same as putting real money into a case and having to show up in court.

>>9743158
John has a case against her. Numerous people have commented they will not attend AM, or shop because of her videos. It's not just fair use here at all. I'm really curious to see if he really will sue her.

>>9743163
I remember when all this came out and more people defended him and his ways than spoke against him. His con numbers did not drop the point where he needs to sue someone. Whole lolita comms swore never to go to AM anymore and even some gulls was like "lol still gonna go" so the people that still support him FAR outweigh, the non supporters.

>>9743163
You're ignoring the part where that anon said that Tyler has already stated she is going to an attorney.

>>9743163
Even just based off of replies to you, it's funny the number of anons that literally don't understand that the case against her is more than fair use.
>tfw financial damages irrelevant to fair use of trademarked logos

That being said, I don't think they'd win if they ACTUALLY took Tyler to court.

>>9743147
I am an actual attorney. The sad thing is, the Leigh's case is so fucking weak if any one of the people who have been scammed or assaulted by John are willing to sign an affidavit or testify on her behalf. That's assuming he's even willing to actually sue. Sending a demand letter is free for the attorney (but not the client, you better believe he was billed for that). The demand is really absurd if you think about it. Just a takedown and apology if I read it right. Just skimmed it quickly. Regardless, very few cases make it to court. Mediation and settlement are pretty common. Not that I would expect that in a bullshit case like this

>>9743104
This may be a good defense for Slander, but certainly not Defamation.
She should definitely be worried about defamation. If it was just a video about matsuri, id be surprised, but the fact she roped in Cathy is probably the straw that broke the camel's back.

I know saying "fair use" enough times may make it sounds like a good defense, but that's not how trademarks work. Please bother yourself with a google search.

lolitas aren't exactly known for knowing....well anything, much less law. We're all about to learn how much these sjw's ACTUALLY have on John, and I'm thrilled to see how this pans out.

as a sidenote, in my book, literally everything this cancerous tumor on the community has ever said has been far worse than any screenshot ive seen about John.
have fun losing in court.

>>9743183
"im an attorney"
"I skimmed a super short demand letter"

way to give yourself away in the same breath

>>9743199
you're trying so hard to sound like you know what you're talking about but if you aren't even aware of the evidence against John and think this is all "he-said-she-said"...lmfao

also
>throwing around "sjw" as a synonym for "women who are mad about something"
nice

>>9743211
just because that's how you read "sjw", that's your burden. i dont think its leaning on one gender or the other, personally.

everyone who thinks they have "proof" or screenshots of John saying some weird shit will win a court case is highly delusional. if you care for this shit youtuber, dont encourage her to go to a war with blank ammo.

otherwise, please do because ive been waiting for this youtuber to get shut down for ages.

>>9743216
Oh, so you've got a vendetta. Nice, got it.

>>9743217
consider it a bonus. dont act like wishing the worst on people you know nothing about is a foreign concept for you

*cough*

>>9743222

>>9743225

that brings up a great point.

Granted the concept of projection can go both ways, i'll admit, but projecting the idea that someone is a "pedo" or "sexual harasser" can easily put your own agenda onto people who also agree. For example, "I don't like pedophiles"
because that thought naturally transforms into
"ive heard bad things about him, and I dont like pedos, therefore he is one" or simply "I wouldnt be surprised, so ill say it anyway".

If you describe the screenshots from John's dialogue as just "creepy" or "weird" (but harmless since he obviously never acted on anything), then depending on what you want to see, you'll see that same outlook.

Now when we throw in "mob mentality", the entire swamp of negativity and toxicity turns into a "we're just trying to protect ourselves" when no one was ever actually in harm to begin with, which is what all of the evidence you have shows.


Shouting shit like "pedophile" "rapist" "criminal" trivializes victims who have actually gone through shit like that.
I dare anyone here to tell a victim of SERIOUS harassment or crime that what they went through should be taken as seriously as "when was your last orgasm?"

recognize when your own cause, which is at first glance a good one, is out of proportion

>>9743054
That lawyer is a friend of the Leighs who happens to have a law degree. She modeled in one of the AM Lolita fashion shows a few years ago.

>>9743233
Yeah desu I can see her getting into shit for calling him a pedo throughout the whole video.

>>9743233
While you're apparently trying to make a point about how bias affects narrative, you're forgetting the fact that there are people here and people participating in this conversation elsewhere that ARE victims of what is probably (by your definition) "SERIOUS harassment or crime". I'm not going to expect you to believe me because lol4chan but that also probably includes myself, and I have been fighting for John's victims too even though people like you think their trauma could somehow be weighed as "less" than mine. Situations like John asking "when was your last orgasm?" should absolutely be taken as seriously as shit like the decade of sexual abuse I went through. Why? Because while some abusers are more predatory than others who are more opportunistic, they all have the capacity to completely destroy their victims, body and soul. And your perceived "severity" of a sexual offense has absolutely no bearing on the impact of that offense to a victim, all it does is make you less willing to have compassion.
Yes, you're right about a couple of things. That words like "pedo" or "rapist" should not be used inappropriately because they may not be the correct terms to use and could distract from the actual crime. But do not try to minimize the impact of John's actions on any of his victims, it is not your place to define what is "harmless".

>>9743250

then play a bigger part in an offense. every time "proof" is asked for, all anyone ever gets are stupid screenshots of awkward text conversations or article written by the famously shitty Jef Rouner (for those who dont know, hes a notorious shit starter and SJW that doesn't understand context).

If youre one of the ones whom he said something like "when was your last orgasm" (just keeping this as an example, since I think this is the grossest thing ive read from him), and you continue to relate your "soul destruction" to that of a rape or molestation victim, then kindly go fuck yourself on behalf of myself and other victims of serious crimes.

if its something serious, then woman up or nut up and fucking spill it. Criminals need to be taken down while creeps need to apologize and stop, which he has years ago. Make the depiction and fucking make an adult decision.

>>9743260
>then play a bigger part in an offense
No offense but you have literally no idea what the fuck anyone else is doing alongside venting on 4chan. Just because that's all you're doing doesn't mean the rest of us stop here. Also reread the post you're quoting and try to brush up on your reading comprehension.

>>9733724
No.
He never put his hands on anyone, he never raped anyone. He just said some, admittedly, creepy shit. He has since come out and apologized for it, feels geniune remorse for it and took a class for it.

Like, why bring up shit that happened years ago, that literally doesn't happen anymore? What does someone have to do to please this SJW hatemob that is out for blood? He's not pulling a Weinstein or a Louis CK where he's jerking off on people. Saying creepy shit is one thing, but to act like it's the same level as actual rape belittles actual rape victims.

Just go, get drunk, and party. That's all cons are good for when you're over 21 anyway. Maybe buy an overpriced figure you could have bought on amiami for half the cost but whatever, it's a con.

>>9743263

everyone here has made it crystal clear that nobody knows what they're talking about.

my clue in that youre not doing anything, other than probably prolifically scanning a few facebook threads, is that there's still no evidence of actual crimes.

>>9743260
defending yourself much, John?
just cause a creep apologizes doesn't mean everyone has to forget he did it and stop talking about it, apologizing is admitting he did it. Having said things like that to minors is something no one should ever forget. Now get your creepy pedo defending ass off the boards.

New thread >>9743116

>>9743264

You realize people go to jail for talking to minors in a sexual manor? JUST TALKING to minors in a sexual manor. Example: How to Catch a Predator.

Now, while most of the people who said these things to are adults, it still lends itself to, a lot of people were working for him when he was saying these things and his defense was "if you are my friend, you have to put up with this" versus acknowledging that he is fucked up for subjecting people to this and if they say no, they can't be associated with him. He invited people to do business with his convention, not his genitalia or weird creepy approach.

>>9743264
>What's the harm?
He will continue to use his influence and money to victimize women, underage or no.
He preys on people with no voice and gets away scott free like it never happened, then he gets people like you defending him.
I mean, think whatever you will about Tyler herself, but the Leighs are pieces of shit, and if they didn't buy your support, don't give it away.

>>9743277
New thread that isn't already a dumpster fire >>9743282

>>9743235
He was grooming a minor anon, he's a pedo.

>>9743291

lets practice for court! are you ready?

Judge: "prove it"

Your turn!

>>9743303
Go google what 'grooming' means, then read the messages he sent.
He's constantly testing the waters to see how far he can take it, with the intent of pushing, teasing, shaming or just inviting sexual contact.
Don't whiteknight yourself so hard John.

>>9743303
"Here are text messages he sent to said minor. Here is sworn testimony from various minors and those involved in the community. Subpoena his phone records, I'm sure he would love for those to be on display for the world and a matter of public record."

Your turn.

>>9743323
OK so nothing. i thought so.

>>9743343
Can you stop shitting up the thread already John?

>>9743234
Where would pics of this be found, google is not helpful. Purely for research purposes of course.

>>9742828
If history and our best assumptions are correct, rape and sexual harrassment has been going on for about 200,000 years. The acts predate our definition of them. So, based on that, how's the fight to eradicate it been going? Remember that famous quote about the definition of insanity? Seems fitting for situation like this.

Is it bad? Sure.
Is it going to stop? Probably not.

For every person brought to light there are probably 10 who are getting away with it with no one the wiser. This isn't a deterrent it's a challenge on how not to get caught next time.

>>9744581
Yeah but just shrugging at movements like this isn't going to help more the predator than the victim.

Any word if she was able to find a lawyer?

>>9743069
do you guys really want a guy who dated his wife while she was a minor to represent Tyler though...