/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

tassels on shoes are hideous in every circumstance and i want to rip them off

>>9783598
Holy shit same.
I've never thought about it until this moment but wow finally someone put my discomfort into words.

>>9783598
Who put these on shoes and thought they looked good in the first place?
I hate them.
Reminds me of that weird hanging strings trend from every possible normie jacket, shirt, hat....

Sorry for using a picture of k8, but she was the best example I could think of. There are plenty of bad offenders out there, though.

I hate it when people wear wigs/have hair that ends in uneven ends like this, it doesn't look polished or elegant; it just looks like damaged, unkempt hair. A blunt cut or loose curls of the same length would look fine with this coord IMO, assuming she trimmed the bangs, as well. I don't mind sideswept bangs, but when they're obviously untrimmed wig bangs, it looks sloppy.

>>9783597
Rinrin hair. Not on rinrin herself, it looks fine, but when normies try to emulate it and either don't admit it's inspired by her or just make it look really shitty on a girl that isn't cute. blegh.

>>9783626
The hair makes her regularly look like a hot mess desu. And I agree with you anon, bad hair really triggers me.

>>9783642
>normies attempting RinRin's hairstyle
This is a thing that happens?

>>9783657
I think i've been on CGL for far too long. Not normies, just not models and not cute people for the most part. let me see if I can dig up a good one.

>>9783657

Some wig shops started pushing wigs with flat-cut front bangs and that same highlight, just in different colours than rinrin's actual hair. I could see someone who likes wigs not knowing it's a copy of this model's hair.

I don't remember which taobao shop but you could probably upload rinrin's photo and use taobao's image search to find the shops, maybe?

>>9783626

I always thought this look was ratchett-looking on purpose because she was going for a gawffiik 90's emo-kid costume look, lol.

>>9783695
>gawffiik 90's emo-kid
>what is scene

>>9783697

Sorry anon, scene wasn't my scene.

>>9783695
Pretty sure dreamholic had a rin rin wig.

>>9783711
>having an iconic hairstyle that wigs are made to emulate

goals

peeking bloomers. I know everyone loves it because omfgOldSchool!!! but i hated it in 2004 and i hate it now. it never looks intentional to me, it just looks like you didn't match up your lengths right.

Wigs
Bad makeup
Retarded poses like tongue sticking out
No shoes at all, like a bedroom photo
Goth boots
Socks
Holding out dress

>>9783754
>Socks
Please explain

>>9783754
>Goth boots
Why?

>>9783723

Just colour your hair and post often. There's a handful of taobao shops that regularly steal photos of girls with colourful hair and make wigs/extensions in their style. Doesn't seem to matter if they're actually iconic or not.

>>9783748
i only like peeking bloomers when it’s with an old school coord

>>9783748
I half agree with this, but I think it only looks good and intentional if it's the kind that's covered in thick eyelet lace at the bottom, pic related. It has to be really obviously not just an undergarment and stick out a bit more.

>>9783642
I think this is silly because Rinrin hair has been around for ages. Lolitas maybe but normies likely aren't copying her. I've seen scene girls with dyed bangs like hers in middle school years and years ago and they sure as hell didn't know who she is

>>9783598
The remind me of the shoes dads wear.

>>9783773
It's probably the same person shitting on that girl who mostly wears old schools and has made some punk coords with her goth boots.

>>9784020
If I’m remembering correctly that girl has cute coords but those gawffic boots she wears in some outfits completely ruin it for me.

>>9783612
Kilties were originally intended to go over laces and keep them dry and free from mud while walking around outdoors. They don't make much sense on shoes without laces.

>>9783754
>no shoes at all, like a bedroom photo
found the american. You do know that a lot of cultures don't wear shoes in the house, right?

when people wear long sleeved tops with ankle socks, it looks so unbalanced.
unbalanced color like, the main accent color is pink; big pink headbow, a big pink bag but nothing pink on the legwear/shoes. hard to explain but you get me maybe?
heart shaped glasses, remind me too much of nabokov/nymphet fashion thing
thinner wigs that hasnt been styled in the back, so you can see the hair net through it
in general, when clothes are wonky on your body such as the collar being stuck under the strap of your bag in a weird way, petti showing, sock sliding down, ugly waist bow etc.. i know i am guilty of all these as no one is perfect but it bothers me still.

>>9784041
NAYRT but I'm pretty sure she knows since she used a bedroom photo as an example of a photo that normally wouldn't have shoes in it. What is reading comprehension?

I can't think of anything less flattering than detachable sleeves. They look okay on some dressses, especially if the sleeves are more fitted, but on blouses they just escalate the frumpiness of any coord tenfold

My biggest pet-peeve is when there's something vintage / historical and everyone says "omg that's not lolita" and then a brand does a shittier version of that concept and everyone loves it.

Busy printed tights/socks with busy printed dresses.

Oh, and sneakers.

When someone’s wearing a dress that doesn’t fit properly so you see lumps of fat bulging out over the top, around the armpits, etc.

>>9784059
>when people wear long sleeved tops with ankle socks
Same here. Also when someone’s gone blouseless “because it’s hot” but is still wearing tights and/or a wig.

>>9784041
>like a bedroom photo
I think you missed this part.

>>9783626
This is the same coord she wore to the Baby tea party at Nekocon!

It's so annoying when people selling dresses for $400+ make you pay shipping.

Like sorry, if I'm spending a couple hundred and giving you a weeks paycheck, you can at least do free shipping.

>>9783695
Different colors is fine, it just bugs me when it is exactly the same down to the fringe cut

>>9783642
This is a super basic cut though.

>>9784188
I suppose, but anyone who offers free shipping has just folded it into the dress price. It’s like selling a blouse for 25+ 10 ship or 35 and free ship. If a seller doesn’t do this they’re stupid and losing money

>>9784196
Yeah, this is true. Still, I suppose it's just the fact that that's tacked on at the end... I would prefer spending $425 + free shipping over $400 + $25 shipped, if that makes sense?

>>9784199
Nayrt but you're paying the same amount..? Why does it matter?

>>9784041
That doesn't mean you can't put them on for half a second, stand on a bag, and take a full-coord photo instead of half-assing it. I'd rather even see cute slippers that fit the aesthetic of the coord instead of socks.

>>9784059
Unrelated, but the first one made me think some normie clothes as well that irk me. I can't tell you how many people I have seen on my college campus wearing a huge sweatshirt with ugg boots, but then have shorts on. Are you hot or cold??

>>9784062
I honestly think they only work well in old school coords.

>>9784100
Not a Kate stan, but oh no, how dare!

>>9784200
I think it's just a mental thing, and honestly a pretty good selling tactic. I think in general, if someone is purchasing something online, they'll be more likely to buy it if it says "FREE SHIPPING", regardless of it's just been calculated into the price already.

weird ballet footing posing

>>9783748
That photo is ten years old anon, nobody wears bloomers out anymore

I fucking hate fluevogs. Irregular choice too. Fluevogs are boring and only work for gothic if you pretend they're not simple as shit. Irregular choice never match anything, and the heels are the stupidest thing ever. Also the way IC shoes are shaped make people's legs look bigger than they are.

>>9784393
That print isn't ten years old.

>>9784429
Nayrt but it's close to 10

>>9784438
Yes but it's not 10 years old therefore anon was wrong in saying that photo is 10 years old.

>>9784440
oh my god shut up

>>9784041
>durrhurr amurriga
sorry you're too lazy to throw on a pair of shoes for a photo fampai

>>9784419
Not to mention IC shoes are uncomfortable as fuck

>>9784466
How about you kill yourself?

>>9784569
lmao go see a doctor

>>9784631
kill yourself

>>9784440
>>9784636

You gulls are silly.

>>9784651
You should also kys

>>9783597
my pet peeve is people tying in a color with their hair/wig
it's too often is see people say "but the shoes and bag go with the brown wig"

>>9784671
This, your hair isn't an accessory or a clothing piece, even if you're wearing a wig. It's like saying "the brown shoes match her brown skin."

>>9784691
Actually, ones hair is an important piece for a well put together coord in terms of styling and matching it to the colors(if you aren't going for a natural hair color that is) and even outside of lolita a hairstyle is regarded as an important piece to complete a "look" while skin tone is not regarded in the same sense.

That said it's fucking stupid to shoehorn in a color and say it's okay because it matches your wig.

>>9784393
>nobody wears bloomers out anymore
Fucking newbies, man.

>>9784200
Like >>9784206 said, it's just a mental thing. If I'm spending $400+ over a dress, I don't want the seller to throw in 'oh yeah here's the shipping fee' because I'm already giving you a large amount of money. Either cover it yourself or fold it into the price.

>>9784062
I don't mind the sleeves but that michelin man all-around torso shirring is ugly as hell and makes everyone look fat.

>>9784671
>>9784691

I have rather mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it is kinda dumb, and if a colour is shoehorned in, it's still going to look shoehorned in regardless of the hair colour.

On the other hand, I hate that some girls don't seem to dress for themselves, floordinates and fatty white knighters being the worst of this. Just because a coord works on the floor or on somebody else's body, doesn't mean you can put it on yourself and then claim all criticism is invalid because everybody loved the floordinate/loved the coord when another e-famous/thinner/prettier lolita wore something similar. If it doesn't work for your skintone/body shape/hair colour, then it doesn't work. You can't demand people judge the coord seperately from your own overall appearance, not even if your shoes are matched to your bag and not your wig.

>>9784419
With fluevogs it depends on the design because I’ve seen one or two designs that go quite well with gothic, but Irregular Choice are always ugly as sin with no exceptions.

>>9784929
This so much, usually comes from girls that have never tried fashion before stumbling onto lolita. You are not a mannequin, so embrace it

>>9783597
> patterned tights
> dresses not fitting, so when tiny thin girls wear big 18th century gowns that engulf them
> fake lashes and contacts, always creepy, never cute
> Hime cuts
> facial piercings with sweet

>needing to nitpick in the first place

>>9784419
>Fluevogs are boring
They're either simple (which I like as they are hardy and nice for daily wear) or ugly as sin OTT, no middle ground

I hate rocking horse shoes.

>>9785029
Hime cuts may not suit many of the people who have them but I think they can look really cute with lolita if on a cute girl whose face shape it suits.

>>9784929
I wish this view was more common but in my comm it’s akin to body-shaming. Most of the girls are decent at coordinating and their floordinates look fine, but they all seem to be putting together coords for short skinny youthful GLB models rather than themselves. At least they’ll make sure the dress zips up but that’s as far as they’ll go in adapting their coords to their body/appearance. Then when they post a picture of themselves wearing the coord to COF and get less positive feedback than with the floordinate they act like it’s proof that everyone hates fatty-chans when really, we just don’t like seeing people wear clothes that are hugely unflattering on them. But just try explaining this without them taking it like an insult. Reminding someone that they’re not built like Midori is mean!

>>9784419
IA about Fluevog. They used to have more elegant designs about 5 years ago, it seems like they are going through a crazy phase right now with chunky shoes designs and color vomit going on. I especially hate those witch style shoes with the spiky toes which they release more and more of. Whenever I see them in a lolita coord that is not witch themed I cringe.
The only design I ever wanted by them was the Caravaggio and now that I could afford they stopped making shoes like these.

>>9785475
You see gulls being stupid about this too, to be fair.
>the coord is fine, she's just fat
As if proper fit doesn't matter at all.
Friendly reminder that if you're bursting out of your too-small clothes, or swimming in your too-big clothes, you look like shit. Please dress for your size.

>>9785457
I like real rocking horse shoes. I hate bodyline rocking horse shoes. They're way too high and thin or something...they just look off.

>>9785074
It’s not needing to nitpick, it’s just when certain things bother you. Everyone has a *thing*. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna tell someone off for having fringe on their shoes, but I don’t like it personally.

>>9785499
Not to mention clothes just blatantly not fitting like they’re supposed to e.g. waist seam above the bust, thigh highs fitting like UTKs, cardigans turning into shrugs.
I get the feeling that prints are a big reason that horrible fit is so normalized in lolita. People fall in love with a certain print so they neeeed it even if none of the available cuts fit them. The only way to get that print in a version that would fit is to buy a replica, which is unacceptable, so instead they’ll go for whatever cut will zip up. This is considered part of the lolita #struggle and therefore criticizing fit is a big faux pas. In other fashions where the focus isn’t so much on prints beyond the occasional floral or a graphic tee, wearing a dress with the waistband above your bust would instantly called out as something ugly and bizarre. Even in other fashions where the size range is limited the attitude tends to be “Doesn’t fit? Too bad, move on” instead of “wear it anyway and just hide the open zipper with a cardi or something”.

>>9785524
Which is a real shame. I guess that's my pet peeve for this thread; people in a fashion-centered hobby blatantly wearing ill fitting shit because muh Ay Pee.
It sucks when that gorgeous piece you wanted for so long doesn't fit, I understand that, but forcing the zipper closed, stuffing an underskirt under it, and hiding behind a terribly styled wig, isn't doing anyone any favors.
It's a real shame that so many lolitas don't have even an ounce of style, is what I'm trying to say.

>>9783597
How did the girl in the middle get it so wrong

>>9785457
>I hate rocking horse shoes.

Same. They look terrible. Such a bad awkward shape.
Doesn't even cross over into the so ugly it's kinda cute. No, it's awkward ugly and I'm always surprised that people convinced themselves they look nice.

>>9783642
do you mean like the pink stripe in the bangs? this chick is trying so hard to be asian it hurts.

>>9784419
The shoes from their baroque line are amazing but the rest are incredibly ugly. I don't think they released anything I like in the past 5 years.

I have the shoes in the black and they are very high quality. I thought the upper was made of fabric but it's an embossed suede. It's a shame they haven't come out with anything nice in the past few years. For someone who only wears classic and gothic they were great.

>>9785569
Yeah. It’s not as egregious when the base hair is a different color, or the hair stripe is a different color or style, but when it’s in the SAME EXACT FUCKING PLACE it makes me irrationally mad. I don’t even like rinrin particularly, at least no more than any model.

>>9783642
>don't admit it's inspired by her
It's not like rinrin invented dying a portion of bangs a different color though. Not her fan or "hater", just don't get your argument.

>>9785554
Yeah, I hate it when I see a cute coord and then it’s ruined by these big weird shoe boats that barely match anything.

>>9785487
>witch style shoes with the spiky toes
These are my favorite kind but I do wear gothic or 'dark classic' 100% of the time

>>9785659
I guess I wasn't specific enough, but >>9785642
when it's identical it's silly. The pic you put is fine, of course rinirn didn't invent the style but when a lolita wears the same hair it's weird.

But again, it's a personal issue.

>>9784659
Imagine if you actually had the ability to make someone off themselves.

>>9785810
Ah, okay I understand now. I was a bit confused because your first post said
>when normies try to emulate
and misunderstood and thought that included everyone.

>>9785524
>>9785533

They could alter the print dresses to fit, but doing that devalues the dress, so they might see it as basically paying money to lose money. imo, the dresses resale value is ruined anyway when people see photos of you bursting out of the dress and start wondering if the dress seams are ripped, whereas with professional alterations you can show close up photos of the insides of the dress. So I think alterations are still the better option if you don’t actually fit.

Sort of related, my pet peeve is those girls who scream bloody murder every time someone mentions altering brand. Like I get it, the dress maybe originally cost $300 and is maybe selling for $500 secondhand and their poor ass didn’t get to the bloodbath fast enough and now their heart has the sad feels because they’re not fat and could have blessed this world with a beautiful vision of beauty if they owned that dress. Let’s face it though, most of the girls who raise the biggest fuss tends to be poorly groomed poorfags who would never even have bought the dress in the first place anyway. And given that todays’ conlitas are leaning towards taobao cheap dresses, I’m just glad there’s still some girls who think buying brand and keeping them afloat.

>>9784659
Are you autistic??

>>9784041
You know, rugs are a thing. Get a rug and stand on the rug for your picture.
>>9784204 standing on bag are my pet peeve because get a fucking rug for that shit. It looks less dumb.

Shoes worn with lolita must have straps or cover the foot significantly (boots, oxfords, etc. even sneakers for casual), everything else looks too normie and triggers me even if the shoe suits the style of the coord.

OTT needs to be balanced throughout the coord, I see people pile on some hair clips and call their coord OTT with like 1 ring and 1 bracelet for jewelry.

People who include stuff in their wardrobe posts/videos that they've already sold. Like, you don't own that item anymore, you're not making sense. If you wanna brag about owning that thing, don't sell it.

Ok, so these are probably 'pet peeves of a brandwhore', but still

People recommending Taobao as a 'cheap' option, even though it's just as expensive as second-hand brand (in my country, shipping and custom fees fuck us over real hard with packages from China, but not Japan).

Rallying against replicas, because "The designers!!" when the real reason is just the status they don't wanna lose. But then turn around and gladly buy replica shoes or bags.

AP being the new meme for "lol wtf what did they put out again, wacky quality lol!!" when most other brands barely release anything and when they do it's the same shit they always do. And I don't mean rehashing prints like AP does with Misty Sky and Chronos Utopia, but legit indistinguishable re-releases.

Linking someone a WTB item and then seeing the item unsold, because the person is 2dumb2shoppingservice. Bonus rage if they are still bumping their post.

And last but not least: People complaining about western lolita scalping, when so many things are still selling and so so many others still don't even know how to use fril or mercari and they. Be glad about your bargains and be happy to be able to sell it again on lacemarket.

>>9784671
>>9784691
I agree, however i also think if you're going to purposefully wear a wig its important to think about what will balance your whole complexion i.e. skin tone/hair colour, rather than chucking on whatever you see first. Unless you just have one wig that is your "lolita wig" then of course treat it as your normal hair.

And this ties in with my lolita pet peeve:
>fucking wigs
They 4/5 times look fucking awful, 1/10 okay and 1/10 great. Just quit it and and buy a hair curler. Please. Even at the nicest and most OTT events, they look so fucking garbo and it kills their entire coord.

I love this coord but feel the red blouse is too much for it and rather brings it down quite a bit. Red accessories and even a headdress would have looked nice to tie the red in. But the blouse is too much.

>>9787178
When I take daily outfit snaps I don't feel like going through the hassle of bringing a dirty rug and a pair of shoes into my bedroom, putting the shoes on, taking the pic, taking the shoes off, taking the rug and shoes out of my bedroom trying to not spill sand into my floor. I want just a quick pic and in the winter most of the time my shoes won't probably even match that well it's worth it. However, I'm moving and the apartment has enough room to adjust a nice spot for mirror pictures near the door so I will take advantage of it but not everyone has.

>>9787205
I mean, on your replica shoes point, I'm cheap (all of my purchases have been second hand and at least half the original dress price), have big feet and authentically don't care if a brand has previously put the bows in the same place as the shoes I got have. I have two pairs of bodyline ones which are most likely replicas but I can't be bothered.

>>9790465
I don't hate it but there's no cohesion between top and bottom

>>9787205
Taobao can cost as much as 2nd hand brand. Especially from resellers.

>Linking someone a WTB item and then seeing the item unsold, because the person is 2dumb2shoppingservice. Bonus rage if they are still bumping their post.

Oh my god that sounds hilarious. How do some people still not know how to use a ss?

>>9787205
apart from the whole art theft debate another key point against replicas is that they're always shitty quality (because being a cheap alternative is the whole point). With shoes and bags, I've heard shittons of horror stories about brand bags and shoes falling apart after like one wear. Having a brand bag or pair of shoes that lasts is not so much a sign of their good quality as either just being lucky or being exceptionally careful with them. So yeah, I'm not gonna dish out 120$ for burando shoes if they're gonna last just as long as my 30$ Taobao tea parties, no thanks.

>>9790486
??
Buy a cheap rug and stow it in your room?
Why the fuck are you talking about it like your gross entry way rug is the only option.

>>9790465
Red shoes would have made this much more cohesive in my opinion but I still think it's a beautiful and creative coord.

>>9790465
The red blouse does make it top heavy but I actually like this.

>>9790505
If you don't even know they're a replica and it's a really bland and simple design I'm not even complaining.
But I'm talking about designs that are a little more than "bow on a mary jane shoe". I see some person recommending a replica of AP's Victorian Ribbon shoes every time someone is looking for nice shoes in my comm. The listing they link even uses AP's stock pictures.

>>9790549
I think this is a rumor which makes people not even try brand shoes and bags. I have some brand shoes and many many brand bags (one I use daily) and they are really nice quality and sturdier than my Taobao/AliExpress stuff.

>>9790563
I have bought both brand and taobao shoes, and they average out to pretty much the same. Some are better, some are worse. My least favourite pair of shoes are actually Baby.

>>9790486
Are you really this retarded? Buy a fucking rug, store it in your room with your shoes and pull it out for photos. You can seriously buy a nice rug at ikea for less then 5 dollars. You’re making this soo much harder then it needs to be. Stop being cheap and lazy. Standing on a bag is distracting and pathetic. A rug doesn’t look out of place and helps you keep your floor clean since it’s obviously a sin to wear shoes on carpet for you for five mins.

>>9790486
Why not just put a handkerchief on the ground? I’ve seen people do that.

>>9790569
Nyart but thanks for reminding me that we don’t have an ikea. one day i really want to go there.

>>9787205
>But then turn around and gladly buy replica shoes or bags.

Whenever people lose their shit over replica shoes I think of these Baby Antique Ribbon knockoffs that most of lolitas wear giving zero fucks.

>>9790558
Pretty sure she's wearing these AP shoes in red. They are slightly metallic though, so they might just photograph much darker.

>>9790486
I feel you anon. When I wear my lolita shoes out, as soon as I come home I wipe the bottom of the shoes off with a disinfecting wipe so I can store them in their box and wear them inside.

Improper waist bow tying.
Don't fucking tie it like you'd tie a shoe lace, or I swear to go I will rip that bow off of your waist and strangle you with it.

>>9791180
this triggers me and makes a coord less cute

>>9790572
You do know ikea delivers from online right?

>>9791239
It makes their bow look floppy and sad and gross.
Granted, it's a bit harder to tie it yourself, but for fucks sake. You can practice.

When people think low poof is no poof.

Like guys, do you even know how gravity works.

>>9783695
Yeah, she is a former scene kid and was having fun that day wearing something so OTT out for normie adventures so she decided to crossover the two lifestyles by styling the wig scene.

She's also talked in recent videos how guilty she used to be of poor wig styling and admonishes herself. She now gives advice on getting good wigs and getting them styled in actual salons. She's improved and I think that matters.

>>9791512
Hi k8

>>9784419
I notice both are iust wild and ott and tend not to mach anything. So unpopular opinion or no I agree

>>9791303

I feel like some of these comments have to come from non lolitas. Most non lolita skirts are flared cuts with very little width (it's not like they need a petticoat), so to normie eyes both a low poof skirt and a completely flat skirt both still look like there's a lot of material around the knees.

I like to think most lolitas recognise the dead lettuce look of a completely flat skirt because that's something they'll see every time they dress up, before throwing on the petticoat.

>>9791512
When will you learn that doing this shit doesn’t help you?

>>9791520
>>9791628
nayrt but this shit is embarassing.
You might still dislike Kate for her past mistakes, but she's been less of a shitshow lately and everyone knows that.

The way the tops of the characters' heads are cut off by the waistband on this skirt. ETC does this so often and it always ruins the piece for me. Couldn't they make the skirt just a few cm longer, or if it's a custom print make the print a tiny bit smaller? Argh

>>9791662
Also, they should've used the diamond pattern at the waist band imo

>>9791664
Agreed. It would probably cost more fabric but it would look so much better.

>>9791650
Coming in here to defend yourself isn’t how you improve. Any one with a brain can understand that in order to let the drama disappear, you don’t stir it no matter what is true or not.

>>9791676
I'm just sick of this "you defend person x, so you are person x" meme going around, not just about Kate but also Voldie, Silke and whoever is the new dramawhore.
God forbid someone does not hate her anymore.

Sage for this post, because your only reply will be again
>hi k8
or some other shit.

>>9791681
>Silke
literally who

Just because there's red in your coord doesn't mean red lipstick Will look good with it. I hate to see perfectly fine coords ruined Just because they couldnt resist to put on a red lip. Pic kinda related, not a very good coord but you get the idea

>>9791512
If you are too dumb to cut your own wigs and you actually need to get them styled at a salon I feel bad for you. Not even a Kate hater, but that's just so fucking stupid.

Then again, judging by her previous efforts she probably has the hand eye coordination of a toddler with cerebral palsy, so I guess there's no way she could improve.

>>9791681
Who the fuck is silke
Hi k8 is relevant because she is known for self posting. Cgl basically pointed out everything she did wrong, so now she knows how to self post correctly. Please don't be a fuckwit.

>>9791683
>>9791690
Weren't people hating on Silke recently because of her scalping in the dream dress thread? Maybe they called her by her Lacemarket username Shiri.

>>9791688
I think in this case the red lipstick looks like a very good choice. What would you prefer as a color instead then?

>>9791691
I agree, the red looks good here. But it's the pet peeve thread so there's bound to be disagreements

>>9783612
It was a big trend in gyaru years ago. I love them.

>>9791691
If that is who I think it is, she's in my neighbouring comm and literally no one likes her because she's rude, condescending and acts like a spoiled brat. She's hardly efamous and I rarely see her mentioned on cgl though so I think it's weird to lump her in with Voldie and K8.

>>9791693
I get that, but I really wonder which color anon would've preferred her to wear.
I feel like red is such a go-to color for so many coords, especially if there is red in it. I feel like any other color like pink, nude or berry would look like a very weird choice, so I'd like to hear their opinion.

>>9791696
well, she's not efamous, but I see people bitching about her sometimes, like recently, and I saw someone suggesting she selfposts as well, that's why I added her to the list of
>hi k8
>hi voldie
>hi silke

>>9791676
nayrt but jfc it's like people stir drama by just existing. There will always be drama-thirsty cunts out there waiting for a trigger, and if they start losing their minds again years after the drama happened, it's really on them, not on the person.
I don't even know who this Kate person is, I'm too much of a newfag, but I'm already exhausted by gulls' love of dragging shit on for years and pretending like that's okay.
Thanks for derailing another thread with your pettiness, idiots.

>>9791688
The coord looks fine, you're just being an ass

>>9791705
Nayrt but my pet peeve is most lipsticks period, especially red. Personally I think in most cases it looks too harsh. I would go with subtle tints, or stains but not full blown creme lipstick. Emphasis on most, I've seen it done really well but in most cases it looks too bright and distracting. Same with most bold makeup except gothic, and that's tricky to get right.

When people dont take their facial piercings out for cosplay/lolita. Spacers exist.

>>9791747
Yeah, I think heavy makeup and bold lip colours generally look bad in lolita. I would rather see someone with no/minimal makeup than someone caked with eyeshadow, contour, circle lenses, dipdip, and lipstick.
I think lipstick works sometimes, though, and red is, in my opinion, one of the least offensive, given that the shade/hue are right and it fits the overall colour scheme.

People who don't ship internationally. I'm willing to pay for it why is it any extra effort for you to post it out? I just want my god damn dresses.

>>9791777
It's not worth the hassle for me to ship outside of North America. For one, shipping is prohibitively expensive. You might be willing to pay, but even people who've agreed to prices have later attempted to guilt trip me into lowering costs. Second, it's spotty, especially to some countries. I refuse to ship to Brazil or Italy anymore because for whatever reason, packages always manage to mysteriously go missing or get returned. Also people are up your ass about why it hasn't arrived yet, it's been two weeks!!! It's not like I have some secret knowledge that your tracking doesn't.
Third, everyone wants you to lie and break the law. I don't give a shit if you have VAT or customs, I'm not marking down the value of a $300 package to $40. Not only does that make me guilty, if anything happens to it, we're both fucked, because it will only be insured for the marked amount.

If I ship within CA/US, the package will get there within two weeks at the latest, for a reasonable cost, with full insurance. It's way less time/hassle, and for every one person who comes on /cgl/ to whine about how they're totally willing to pay the costs, there are three more that inbox me begging to ship untracked for less than $20.

>>9791705
Anon that disliked the red lip here. To me, red lipstick looks too mature for sweet lolita, and that's why it always throws me off, even if it's a logical option to go with color-wise. I would've preferred no lipstick at all or maybe a transperent gloss personally. I know it's an unpopular opinion haha

>>9791681
hi k8

>>9791688
>jelly shoes
>REEEEEE

I really don't like the look of jelly shoes with lolita, it just seems off to me

Everything else is OK though

It irritates the hell out of me when people flat as boards try to cosplay big tiddy monsters, STOP!!!! Get fake tiddies or something, sonico isn’t a pettanko!!

>>9791688

I think there's nothing wrong with red lipstick matching a coord, but I actually do agree with you.

It's not the matching lipstick to coord that bothers me, though, it's that people need to choose makeup that flatters their face first of all above all else. And red lipstick is one of those things that even makeup forums will handle with kid gloves, because it's so bright and bold it can look messy and "cheap" when done wrong.

And it definitely doesn't look good here, block out all the other pics and just look at the closeup of her face. She looks ill or something, which is a sign that the shade of lipstick doesn't really flatter her skintone.

it triggers me hard that every japanese fashion community calls outfits "coords"

>>9791829
predictable

>>9792471
why?

>>9792489
it just sounds so stupid. there is a word for an outfit, you dont have to copy japanese magazines using a word that makes no sense in english

>>9790509
>How do some people still not know how to use a ss?
Not to defend the people you are talking about but Chinese SS are a huge pain in the ass. They are never lolitas and are just out to make a dime on you. They are unhelpful, don't know what they are doing and looking to scam on shipping costs and other made up fees.

Sure, using an SS is great because you are cutting out the middle man. But honestly I'd rather use a middle man if it means I can talk to someone who knows what the fuck I'm asking and isn't just trying to up my shipping costs.

And before you defend any of this, tell me the name of a decent China SS that actually knows the fashion and isn't out to make street food change.

>>9792496

This is all of the confusion behind the word "petticoat" and "pannier". Someone complained that they bought an IW "petticoat" and it turned out to be a flat, lifeless underskirt that still required another petticoat underneath it. Apparently some lolitas didn't realise that all burandos call what we call petticoats as "panniers" (パニエ), taking this word from historical origins where the word pannier refers to the stiff, boned structure that holds up the dress, and the word "petticoat" actually refers to a simple, lifeless fabric that goes between the pannier and the skirt to smooth out any ridges or bumps. So in the same way, burando refers to what western lolitas call petticoats as "panniers" because it's what holds up your skirt, and then "petticoats" is a lightweight fabric that goes in between your skirt and the pannier, which is used as a decorative element (ie-underskirts). The wording got changed by western lolitas because petticoats is what's used in square dancing, and pannier (if you're not into historical re-enactment) usually brings up images of something you put on horses, apparently.

Then there's also the confusion over colours when some newbie American is like "red is red, ffs why are you using all the Japanese words when you can just call it red or blue or green". Up until they run into a release like CDC, which comes in kon (dark blue, but not a true navy blue) and aoi (blue blue, but actually quite dark, not the usual light blue (aka sax) and not as dark as dark blue (kon), and cerulean (some other blue altogether, and it's nowhere near green either).


Sometimes I wonder if we could have had less confusion by keeping the actual Japanese terms used by burando. Let's face it though, you're wearing fashion that comes from another country. If you want to get anywhere beyond being a coslita you'll inevitably run into little bits of foreign culture like コーデスナップ being the site responsible for promoting the word コーデ.

>>9791781
I agree on the Italy and Brazil part. But the rest really hasn’t been a problem for me. Shipping a blouse to Europe is about 20 dollars shipping. A dress is about 30, 35 if it’s heavier fabric. If the buyer is willing to pay for the shipping and I tell them I will not lower the price because of shipping costing soo much, then that’s their money they are spending. I tell them there’s extra cost if they want tracking out of the United States. They usually are okay with that cost as well. All packages have tracking till they leave the country for free. I tell the buyer that once the package is out of my hands and in the post office, that is their problem as I did my end of the bargain. Usually the tracking outside of the United States is enough for them to know that it is shipped since it will say destination. Some countries even carry the tracking into their country but that doesn’t happen nearly as often. If they ask for the package to be devalued, I warn them that if the package is lost, they will only get the value of the package listed and I will not refund the difference. Again they agree to these terms. It’s all in my ToS that when they buy, I tell them “ do you agree to my ToS?” It’s a small hassle to do to cover your ass from annoying buyers.

If they throw a fit about the package cost, or the package time. I tell them they agreed to my ToS and that is their problem. I have had one package have an issue. It wasn’t lost, just spent 3 months in the girls customs. She was upset but because of the way the United States tracking works, she knew it wasn’t my fault and her Home country.

>>9792471
>>9792489
>>9792496
i can brush off "coord" online, but irl my REEEEE meters go off. it's so awkward to say, and i only ever hear it in the context of weeby girls saying "I LIKE YOUR KORD"

>>9792629
Maybe it's because I've done a lot of volume (probably ~300 sales in five years), but I've had a decent amount of problems. People rarely read the TOS, even if I post it everywhere, including the item description. I think it's worse on LM than it was on LJ because people just click "bid" or "buy" without reading anything, whereas people used to have to comment or message me in detail beforehand.

>>9792687
I’m >>9792629 and have over 600 sales in 6 years. You’re just not making sure they read it. That’s is on you to make sure they read and understand your terms. It’s annoying to say “ If you have read and understand my ToS and still are wanting to finish this sale. Let me know what your pay pal is to send the invoice to. Sending me the address for payment is you agreeing to the terms stated in my ToS” it’s you making sure they know you have rules. When they send you the payment, you send it out and give them the tracking. Then tell them “ this is the tracking for while it is in the United States. You did not pay for full tracking so once it leaves U.S customs, it will not track any more”

Small inconvenience but if they then say “ oh I don’t want it” it’s not hard to relist for buyer backing out.

>>9792722
Oh, I do. Doesn't stop them from pitching a fit with the mods or trying to roast me here or online. It's just not worth it, imo.

>>9792736
Suit your own. It’s not hard to shop international if you’re willing to provide. I have found that opening up your sales to an international market really shortens the length your stuff is listed. Helps with getting rid of things fast. But I get it that some people don’t want to deal with the hastle of keeping receipts of your sales and interactions to despute when the buyer becomes a twat in your feedback.

>>9792722
Nah. I work for an online shopping app - if you ask if someone read something they'll just lie and say they did and then throw a tantrum when they get something they didn't want.

>>9791769

>>9792629
I'm not sure if you know this but for tracking you need to check on the USPS website up until it leaves the country, then on the target country's postal service's website. Then it works.

>>9792740
The likelihood of making a sale to someone scammy doesn't change regardless of the range of people you ship it to though

>>9792394
>tfw I am a tiddy monster but I want to cosplay the pettankos
life is suffering

>>9783754
>tongue out

>>9797101
>looks up account
Looks like ita chan is a repeat offender