/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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I love this one

>>9798300
I always thought the beading lace in that example looked kind of crappy for something supposed to be "pretty good".

>which brand makes your fave lace?
Innocent World for embroidered tulle, Baby for pretty much everything else.

>>9798316
from what I remember (vaguely) people cared more about the material of the lace than anything. It had to be cotton and not polyester/synthetic. I just did a quick google search for beading lace and it all looks unsuitable for lolita desu.

>>9798301
Baby's torchon lace is exceptional, it's so nice...
But
>which brand makes your fave lace?
My favorite brand lace has to be IW's. I'm not a fan of their tulle lace, but their torchon and venice lace makes my heart sing.

>>9798330
>tfw you'll readily drop hundreds on brand new pieces like these
>tfw Fujiwara stopped using thick torchon lace in her designs since like 2010
Life is suffering.

>>9798308
This one is so beautiful, I love the flowers

all of these are less than 3 years old
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This is amazing! Does anyone know what dress it is? Reverse image search doesn't seem to be bringing anything up.

>>9798458
That's Pure Rose Princess I believe?? If not, it's something from the My Dear Special Anniversary collection

>this entire thread

Sorry for the stupid question, but... What's wrong with embroidery lace? Why do people think it looks cheap? I know it's on a lot of taobao stuff, but it tends to be soft and I think it's pretty.

posting some pics I saved from a lace thread a while back

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also found some closeups of moitie lace

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and one last one

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Doesn't the term encompass everything that's machine embroidered? Some of it is okay, like if it's regular tulle lace (with netting back) or some venise lace ("water soluble" lace).

And then there's the stuff that's embroidery with super glossy threads on suuupeeer shiiinyyy organza backing material. Basically screams "plastic tacky shit" from a mile away. You definitely want to avoid that.

>>9798686
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense! One more question, of that's ok: when is raschel lace OK and when is it not?

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These are amazing, I'm going to try to take some pics of the lace on my dresses tomorrow so we can have more pics like these.

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Look, I'm not a classic lolita. I'm barely a lolita in general. But these pictures made me Feel Things.

I recently got a few blouses off of soufflé song. I like the chunky lace. It’s great for country coords

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>when is raschel lace OK and when is it not?

Any lace that screams "plastic tacky shit" is definitely not okay.

You'll know bad lace when you find it. It looks like plastic, feels like plastic, won't drape and tries its best to lie straight, which makes anything made with it look wonky because the lace is trying to stick out straight from the dress itself.

If you need examples, Marble is the Japanese brand that still uses some pretty shitty raschel lace. There's a reason the brand is super unpopular among Western lolitas. Metamorphose is the brand that uses high-quality, decent raschel lace. It doesn't always look obvious in photos, but in person one dress will be the comfiest, softest shit and everything will drape gracefully. The other will be the stiffest, weirdest costume you ever wore and the lace will be darn itchy.

Btw, Bodyline's tulle lace, which should have been okay according to the newbie guide posted above, is actually very stiff and itchy, so sometimes you can't really go by blanket types of lace. Really the softer and more matte the lace, the better it is.

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I'm just going to say Marble's raschel isn't all shitty. They use some very nice raschel lace on their princess sleeve blouses.

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So gorgeous. Bless you, anon.

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Fair enough, my bad. I haven't looked since that very old GLB ad that was the embodiment of "lacemonster"

>>9798760
>when is raschel lace OK and when is it not?
See OP pic

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Said it before and I'll say it again. Moitie lace is best lace, and goddamn these pictures are painfully attractive.

Putting together my own
collage is tempting but I don't think I have enough variety for it to look good.

>>9798686
Venise/water soluble is the same as chemical lace right? The one that AP uses often

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water soluble = chemical but Venitian is a certain style, not all chemical is venitian and I'm not sure all venitian is chemical

>>9798300
>discuss the good and the bad
Tbh I kind of hate most of APs lace. It looks like the shiny/scratchy stuff I was taught to avoid. I wish they'd go back to their old materials.

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Does anyone know of shops that carry brand quality lace trims for if you want to do some sewing yourself? It seems like most of the go to places people brought up on lj (wholeport, kuboriki) are dead. And the normie western shops I've looked at mostly just have really shitty raschel. The best shop I've come across is laces.world.taobao, but there must be more out there.

>>9799041
Seraphim sells lace but they're in Japan

>>9799041
Cheeptrims is still going strong but the minimums are a pain in the proverbial. I miss the days of group orders on sew_loli

>>9799048
There’s a lolita sewing group on fb, maybe a suggestion can be made for someone to start one?

>>9799041
I got a ton of really pretty lace on Aliexpress! Otherwise my mom scours ebay for cheap lots of vintage lace when people have to get rid of grandma's stash, we have a lot of gorgeous antique laces but they won't be pure white, they always have that aged off-white color and they don't always match.
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The trims with the roses are really pretty but the lace fabric isn't very nice

I know AP's lace isn't the BEST. but man I really love those cute pictures they have in them. but holy shit

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these make me wish I was a gothic lolita.

>>9799166
I feel you anon, I'm more of an IW+JM+VM kind of classic person but those Seraphim details are blowing my mind right now, I almost wish I liked prarie grandma kei. I do need to pick up more old lace IW though.

>>9799301
Why do you limit yourself so much? Seraphim fits perfectly with those brands. JM is way more granny than that.

>>9799375
Well I don't necessarily wear all JM, mostly their print series in JSK cuts, some more casual items, jewelry, etc. I've mostly overlooked Seraphim, but this thread has definitely piqued my interest. It looks like they have a physical shop I think, I'm going to try and visit it when I go to Japan in May.

has anybody bought from laceheaven? I am not an expert but I thought their cluny laces looked nice.

>>9799041
maxicimam sells their lace. it's all amazing cotton torchon, cluny, ladder...good sturdy stuff.

has anybody tried changing the lace on a dress? ive been thinking about doing it on a dress with horrible lace, but im scared id ruin the dress.

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If you don't know anything about sewing, get someone qualified to do it for you. It's not beginner friendly, but for someone skilled it's not a huge amount of work.

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This thread gives me life, bless y'all anons.
If only I didn't have such shitty indoor lighting and even shittier photography skills, I'd share my own.
Torchon lace is my fave.

>>9801540
share some anyway, anon. the pics might turn out better than you think. maybe take a couple pics next to a window for natural light?

I'm kinda curious, what's the name of this kind of lace?

>>9798300
OP getting me excited for a minute but then its just about actual lace

>>9802714
what did you think it was about?

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I don't know but I'd love to know too!
Tried googling lattice lace but that was unsuccessful.

>>9802461
I might give it a go in the weekend anon.

>>9799041
Kuboriki still has rakuten shop
https://www.rakuten.co.jp/kuboriki/

Nakalace has nice selection too
https://item.rakuten.co.jp/nakalace/c/0000000100/

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I don't know the name either, but Kuboriki (thanks >>9803707) has some similar designs from a quick glance. Pic related is a little different, but same pattern.

>>9798992
Their lace is soft?

Seraphim lace and detailing is god tier but then they often don't even line their dresses. It's a bummer.

>>9806898
Maybe because it can be so hot in Tokyo. I don't like it when lolita brands line their dresses desu, I have a couple of good linen underdresses for that.

>>9806916
You would still want a lining. Lining isn't only for comfort or thin fabric issues; lining garments makes them stronger and more durable. Lining hides and protects seams, puts an extra layer between the dress fabric and whatever is underneath, adds stability and shape, etc. You can use a wide variety of materials to line depending on your needs.
The only reason for a brand not to line their dresses, especially when it's all of their dresses, not just their cutsews or summer collection or whatever, is to save time/money. For what Seraphim charges, it's kind of sad.

>>9806923
That's what I prefer to use underdresses for, since the lining that some brands use isn't breathable fabric

>>9806926
Did you miss the entire "lining is an element of solid construction" bit?

>>9806936
Yeah but it doesn't seem important enough to me since I have several unlined dresses that are 12-20 years old and still in perfect condition besides a couple of zippers I've had to replace

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>>9806926
Good for you, then. Most people prefer lined dresses.

>>9806923
This makes me concerned about my 3 unlined BABY dresses. I always thought it was weird that those dresses weren't lined, now I know it's weird and probably BABY being cheap.

>>9806956
It isn’t that weird because most brand does this. Same with the line half a dress thing. Some people just get autistic about weird things.

>>9806923
>The only reason for a brand not to line their dresses is to save money or time
Everything I have from Alice Auaa and Moschino is unlined. I guess that means they're cheap lol.

>>9803711
I don’t know about >>9802616 but I think the lace/technique used in the one you posted is called fagotting.

>>9798992
Which pieces have scratchy lace? I have a lot of ap and all the lace is very soft

this is simple but I like it

>>9806978
Well yeah. Probably helps with their profit margins. Doesn't mean you pay less