/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Otafest was fun. No really interesting panels though?

>>9888257
I had so much fun at Ota this year. I didn't really see any interesting panels either tho. I think the fact that they force panelists to do two panels to get a free badge leads to a lot of shit getting done for the sake of free entry.

>>9888268
What was your main draw? I liked that Matthew Mercer was there so it drew a lot of people away from the kind of things I like.

>>9888257
18+ Bad Fanfiction reading was really fun. Apart from that I don't really go to Otafest for panels so I didn't really care. The Lolita Fashion show was a lot better this year, at least.

>>9888233
From all these cons, which one is your favorite, Anon?

I have to go with Otakuthon

>>9888287
I still really love Otafest, but I miss the UofC venue (with the exception of the vendor hall).

>>9888287
yeticon i'd say just for the bang for your buck out of a con/resort stay. i enjoy both but living in ontario i'd rather attend yeticon

>>9888287
I've only been to Ota and Animethon. Otafest is pretty consistently fun and I've had great and bad Animethons, so I suppose Otafest.

I really wasn't feeling otafest this year. I think I liked just sitting outside by the chicken all day with friends. Maybe I need to cosplay next year to make it more fun?
It just made me feel old and broke this year, but I did get a picture with two really good lesbian bear cosplayers

>>9888233
movie never

>>9888477
My favorite part was watching the viewings in the Altavista room, it was supremely comfy.

Did any of y'all Calgary folks catch the C4 qualifier? I've been trying to follow since I couldn't attend Otafest but there's been barely any coverage online besides some shitty photos of the winners that don't really show their cos in a flattering light.

>>9888273
Hahaha I guess that's one way to look at it. I was really surprised by how many people were going crazy to see him. I was there for the C4 competition mostly.

>>9888289
U of C was really nice for just hanging out when you didn't want to be in a panel or vendors. I find that the Telus convention center is great for relaxing on a patio while still being at the con. I think I am finally happy with the venue change this year.

>>9888641
They haven't posted the pictures or the video yet unfortunately. The Anna and Hans were super cute. Their costumes fit perfectly and the details were all great. They did the Love is an Open Door song with a backdrop for their skit.

>>9888477
Cons are always better in cosplay.

>>9888268
>>9888257

What kind of panels would y'all be interested in? Might be worth bringing up in feedback. Personally I was only interested in my own and the rest were.. same old.

Reposting reply because other thread dead:
>>9884497
It was fan-fucking-tastic from every band on the bill. Expect a lot of crowd surfing. Be ready to hand a beer to the yubisaki drummer when she says "please beer" and cheer her chugging it. When bakuyn calls out Doskoi, yell Bacchkoi in reply. Buy some merch/CDs if you can. They're all happy to sign it and say hello at the merch tables. There's some videos already up on twitter and facebook.

>>9888289
Having such a small con sprawled paper-thin across half of campus sucked though. The worst part about putting it in Telus was having the con on Canada Day weekend and they fixed that now.

I just hope they have more outdoor things set up for next year. I like the idea of having stuff along Stephen Ave but six tents and a single food truck really didn't cut it.

>>9888602
They seriously need better access to Altavista though, it took a good five or six volunteers before I could find one that actually knew how to get there.

So, so much better watching the WTF movie in there compared to those godawful-uncomfortable chairs in the Telus panel rooms though. Free cake didn't hurt either.

>>9888778
Anything that isn't an ask panel really. I enjoy panels that have room for discussion/interaction or informative ones. I don't like watching a bunch of cosplayers attempt to act in character while answering borderline shippy questions.

>>9889135
I've been going to Otafest for awhile, the UofC venue is kind of just silly nostalgia for me. I can immediately recognize the superiority of the Telus convention center.

>>9889142
Did you like that cake? Tasted like cardboard to me- was it gluten free or some shit?

>>9889748
Glad I wasn't the only one.. I appreciated the gesture but it tasted like nothing.

>>9889748
Compared to being wedged shoulder-to-shoulder in McDonald's with skeevy homeless people and fentanyl addicts waiting half an hour to get a burger? Absolutely.

>>9888477
The best thing about cons are the panels and events taking place, it beats the point if you're just gonna stand chatting with your buds and not enjoying what the con is offering if you paid for it. Hell, when i go to a con with friends, we always separate ourselves unless there's something that got all our interest or we want to eat out together

Take Anime North, lots of people don't even pay up for a ticket just because they completely prefers the cosplaying part of the the con and so they show off what they did in the parking lot. But a lot of people won't cosplay at all and go to q&as, panels, vidya gaems and the like

>>9890057
Ghosting is a dick move. Don't do that. That said, I mostly go to cons to cosplay and check out Artist's Alley/sometimes vendors and then 1-2 panels. Panels aren't ever really my thing apart from things like bad fanfiction reading or sometimes AMVs.

>>9890061
It's only a dick move if the con deserves the money. There are cons I jump on badges for but in AN's case, the programming has been consistently terrible for years. Even if I get a pass there's nothing to see and if people keep tossing AN money anyways it'll never change.

>>9890066
Pretty much, last year was the first time i went to AN and i was pretty disappointed in the way they were handling panels. People were shilling that it was one of the best con in Canada but it was pretty bad apart from the cosplay and vidya. I went for Otakuthon next and had a much better time doing everything, going from panels to panels and enjoying all they had. They even had a china town just next to the con in order to weeb it up to the maximum

>>9890019
>going to mcdonalds
>ignoring the dozen more options within a few minutes walk

Anon, the problem is you.

>>9890205
This. I had great dinner at a small restaurant on Stephen Ave because I budgeted for it, and even then you could go the few dozen extra steps up into the food court if you want cheap eats.

>>9890019
Got to check the other restaurants around and include them in your budget, just because you're going in a con doesn't mean you should eat like shit

>>9890226
My friends are taking me for korean bbq, i assume it's close so there must be other better choices than mcdicks

It was a big stretch, but I had hoped Animethon's annoucement lining up with M-Flo's tour announcement was more than a coincidence. I want another good DJ this year.

>>9888268
That's pretty much what I did, but I wanted to host some Project Diva stuff anyways so free entry was more of a bonus than an objective.

>looking at hotel options for Anime Revo
>everything nearby sold out
>could stay with relatives but friend flat out refuses to drive in Vancouver
>fuck spending 2 hours on transit in cosplay
This is already looking pretty fucked.

Anyone in Winnipeg going to Ai-Kon this year? I remember a few anons last year mentioning they were.

>>9890845
I live in Vancouver and stayed in a hostel 10 minutes away last year.

>>9892703
Thanks anon but I'm not staying in a hostel.

>>9892892
Have you tried checking AirBNB?

This was my first time to AN... what's with all the middle aged chinese guys with cameras taking pictures of half naked 14 year old girls?

>>9893214
How old are you, anon?

>>9890845
I'm a local and ngl driving in downtown Vancouver is pretty fucking stressful. So I can understand their feelings. Try to ask if they can drive you to a skytrain station, it really helps your commute. Even if you have to skytrain from king George to waterfront and it takes about an hour, at least you just chill on the train.

Not sure of their location though. I used to live in Surrey. When I was a teen and went to cons id always transit in. The worst for me was events at UBC took forever to get to (a la old AE and Cos&Effect rip.jpg). At least AR is close to waterfront station

>>9889131
Re writing my reply
Just wanted to say thanks anon. Your post gave me the final push I needed to go to the show. It was so fucking good, I'll definitely be going to the October show. I ended up buying a Lucie, Too shirt plus their CD but I was too much of a beta bitch to ask them to sign. I could write more but I'll leave it at that

Do people still go to Unplugged Expo in Toronto? It's the last weekend of September this year I believe. Remember going the first year and it wasn't so bad, just tight for space being their first year I suppose. Website just has a countdown and not much info about it on social media...

Is NWFF back? Their Twitter has started tweeting shit but it's all been unrelated to con stuff

Alright so who here is going to Yeticon?

distant worlds Vancouver tonight

>>9893678
>too much of a beta bitch to ask them to sign
>this much of a beta
Seriously, they'll be happier if you ask for a sign than if you don't. These are indie bands hungry to grow their fanbase.

>>9900550
Next time I will definitely get stuff signed. How often, if ever, do the same bands come back? Would love to see Lucie,Too and Bakyun the Everyday again

>>9900681
Depends on Steven really, and if they're available or not.

>>9895241
I think they put it on hold last year. I though it was dead.

>>9888233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJysOUX4hc

anime north vid

>>9891105
Oh finally there's another winnifag. Went to Winterfest in February for the first time and found it quite nice, so I'll probably be heading again in July.
It was pretty funny since there was a tattoo show in the south building of the center at the same time, having a bunch of jacked dudes and chicks go right by a bunch of weebs was a funny mental image.

>>9905981
>@7:00 minutes
Is that the music from the alt-right video with the white dudes beating up SJWs

Is anyone planning to go to KimiKon? How big do you think it'll be considering this will be the con's first year?

I’m traveling from out of the country, and Yeticon will be my first Canadian con. How conservative is the Canadian convention scene when it comes to “revealing” cosplay? Like will staff ask me to change if I’m in mini shorts and a bikini top?

>>9890845
have you looked at airbnb?

>>9908255
Shorts and a bikini top are fine, people have worn less. Hell, Yeticon is where people plan a bunch of swimsuit cosplays.

It's the thirsty neckbeards that you'll have to worry about though.

>>9908255
you should be fine. if anyone gives you attitude just tell them you're on the way to the pool

>>9908255
You will be fine, I walked around as nudist beach nonon all last year and nothing was said of it. A few parents sheltered their kids eyes when I walked past but that's to be expected.

Actually funny story, I was at the wild wings (???) that was their and some guy tried coming in with out a shirt and got kicked out as I was sitting there with a lot less clothes on. Maybe because my nipples were covered (barely)

>regret going to FanExpo every year because so fucking crowded, full of boomers, normies and everything priced up a thousand times

rrraaseeergghhhh

>>9909211
Going to fanex for the first time to see friends, what should I prepare myself for

>>9909206
somehow I doubt anyone believes any of this.

>>9888233
So it turns out my home town has a con and i didn't even fucking KNOW about it

Penti-con

In penticton BC, I wonder what it's like.

>>9909291
How the fuck is this doubtable?
You drama queens are getting more and more pathetic every time you post.

>Nekko posts that the sky is blue
Dumb Lolita girl: No it's not, you are fucking stupid.

Is this really the state of cgl now?

>>9909514
Imagine how hard they are going to have to cope when the find out that Nekko apperantly got a special treatment from memetan if you know what I mean

>>9909604
Ugh, when can this meme stop?
She isn't even pretty and doesn't even know he exists. So what she like one of his tweets once? It probably wasn't even her that did it. Even if she did, she probably just thinks he is some creepy otaku gajin and doesn't want him anywhere near her.

If you say her name 3 times, he will come.

>>9909636
when will the meme that meme isn't cute stop.
>Tfw you will never make meme smile like this.
Oh wait, I have.

>>9909664
I'm not even here to shit post anymore, just memeposting.

>>9909636
strong cope

>>9909345
I'm from Penticton too!
It's only its second year iirc, but it was ok and the staff seemed well organized. I can't expect too much from such a young con though. I hope they got enough support this year to do more next year because the guests and vendors were pretty meh.

>>9908005
I'm considering going, but as an artist the table prices are laughable for it being a first year con.

>>9910527
Admission fee for the weekend is 60$ lmao

Overheard Roger Wo might be leaving the cosplay community soon. About time.

>>9913211
We know you're glad, Antonio. Are you gonna step back up to the plate then?

>>9913211
Thank God, Roger did nothing about the toxicity in his community while painting over it with sugary words.

>>9913211
stop pretending to be a good guy cuz ur not

>>9913211
Literally who?

>>9913211
Finally, cosplay meets are done and buried forever.

>>9913279
Some bitch in Toronto that had a bunch of drama.

Considering Otakuthon for the first time. Have a few cosplays in mind since the area seems great for photoshoot locations but wondering how the weather's like. Can you wear a heavy cosplay without looking like a sweaty mess like AN?

>>9913430
Doesn't everyone from Toronto have drama?
~Rest of cgl canada

Who Yeetcon tomorow?

>>9913439
I mean, the weather changes each year. It's pretty close to what the weather is like in Toronto though. Even when considering it's an August con, I would say Otakuthon is more comfy to cosplay at than AN since the venue itself is air conditioned and you're not standing in a parking lot with no shade.

>>9913471
ikr

>>9913439
It's all indoors so yeah like other anon says, air conditioning. The main floor is really crowded and hot but if you have a badge and go upstairs it's generally way cooler + there's a no photos rest area.

>>9913439
>>9913439
It's all indoors so yeah like other anon says, air conditioning. The main floor is really crowded and hot but if you have a badge and go upstairs it's generally way cooler + there's a no photos room for repairs and resting.

I'm actually a bit disappointed in AN for that. I was in the cosplay repair booth thing and I already had a glue gun on and was about to start gluing my shit. This guy charges in and he's like "WAIT before you take anything off I want a photo!!!". Worse than the people that ask for pics when you're eating.

>>9913211
bye felicia

>>9913817
>>9913667
I should've said conditions/temperature rather than weather. Helpful input, thanks!

Another question though, is it like Fan Expo in terms of crowded or is the venue big enough? The numbers are just a bit below AN so I'm trying to imagine how that's all indoors.

>>9913846
It used to be severely oversold for a couple of years when they didn't have the entire space but they're getting better about it. The venue is two large buildings, north and south. both have multiple levels. Last year the artist alley was pretty damn crowded when I went on sunday. there are some large spaces especially the parks ouside the south building for cosplay and hanging out.

>>9914084
I think >>9913846 is talking about Otak and not fanexpo. It's one large building with 4 public floors and last year they booked the every floor for the first time. The ground level main hall area is really crowded during peak con hours but upstairs where all the panels are is very roomy. The top floor has a cafeteria with a balcony and the game room. IMO it doesn't get too crowded anywhere except the main floor unless there's an event going on. People are often outside in the courtyard, Chinatown or the old Port nearby. The dealer's is much less busy than AN.

>>9913817
A lot less crowded than AN. Never been to FanEx so can't compare. What >>9914099 said is pretty spot on though. Main floor gets crowded at peak hours so it's a bit annoying to walk through if you have an elaborate cosplay, but on the other hand, you can pretty much squat there in relative comfort since it's indoors. I would see that while Dealers/AA is less crowded than AN, some years it was also annoying to walk through because of how the people flow worked.

>>9907094
I’ll be going as well, wish we could have a cgl meet but i’d imagine only 3 people would show up

>>9913587
I’ll be at Yeetcon. It’s my first time there, have you been there before?

>>9914162
>Roommate announced that she’s not showering all weekend
Please tell me that Yeetcon has rules against con stank

Speaking to drama, who called memetan a literal who? Where is your section in soft map?

Fucking
Apologize

>>9914162
It's my first time at Yeti too! I'll probably check out the ziplines and bbq Friday.

So is Yeticon anything /you shouldn't miss/ if you've been to Blue Mountain before? Not to sound lame as shit, but my main con friends aren't cosplayers so no one really had any interest in going particularly as a con since we've all gone as a group in the past. I've been with family and normie friends too, is it just the same thing but cosplayers everywhere?

>>9913222
You assume a lot. Also I have taken a step back for medical reasons

>>9913222
You assume a lot. Also I have taken a step back due to medical and financial reasons

>>9913471
I don't.

>>9915734
Lies.

Amerifag at Yeticon, and I’m having a great time. This actually feels like an anime con. Cons in my area (Michigan) haven’t felt this fun since 2015. They’ve been ruined by cosplay elitism, excessive rules, and normie party culture.
Definitely coming to Yeticon again, and might check out other Canadian cons. Which other ones are good?

>>9915996
ConBravo and Forest City Comic Con are really the only other cons to check out in Ontario (IMO). Unless you got a time machine to see the greatness that was Con-G

>>9915339

Shame on you. Your ice skate meets were terrible.

Is it possible to order Saturday-only ConBravo tickets in advance, or do I just have to get one on the day of? First time going and I don't see any option on their site.

>>9915339
Financial reasons = "I couldn't leverage this into a career"

>>9917409
Ah no. But nice guess

>>9913211
>>9915339
Well with both Antonio and Roger out, the con community is truly dead in the GTA. No one is expressing interest and since permitgate, no one wants to dare try.

Back to pre-2011 except with a far more toxic community.

>>9917538
There'll still be cons and stuff, it's not like CHG being gone means there won't be any cons anymore

>>9917558
Of course there is cons but no community. A community flourished cause we had picnics and gatherings as they were smaller and thus people could interact with each other.

No more of these from CHG or OCC means we may be done.

>>9917538
The people who used to host the island picnics got permits. So they really aren't a new thing. Just all blown out of proportion by Antonio and OCC, Roger and CHG and some other members of the cosplay community (friends of either and some of us here).

Sure someone new and less problematic might one day step back in and start running well meaning and managed events. Just think that scene has to cool down some bit before.

And yeah, just because cosplay events are cooled off, doesn't mean conventions are. They are still going strong and we have so many to choose from for attending

>>9917582
Yeah but that was usually only the island picnic that got permits. Most other picnics didn't and thus we had a lot of amazing times at those. Once permits became an issue is why we stopped having them.

>>9917604
Permits were always an "issue". Just some people choose to ignore those "issues". I suggest you read up on city bylaws or anyone else that plans to take up the torch being left by TICP, OCC and CHG. As for in some cities cosplay gatherings are not exempt from them. And if you are unsure with what the wording is online, just phone into whatever departments issues permits in your city and see if you'll need one. Hamilton, Durham, Niagara and Kitchener seem to be little more lax compared to Toronto or Peel.

But to whomever picks up the torch left behind, I wish you all the luck. Just please don't be like another Antonio or Roger

>>9917620
of course they were but for years and years, the community got away with it and it was Permitgate that caused it to get attention cause people started to report unpermitted gatherings like so.

Also I do wanna still say that both Antonio and Roger still had their high points. Antonio can be credited for making some form of a community with the amount of picnics around even if his later acts weren't liked.
Roger can be credited for continuing them when they were collapsing but yet keeping it positive till the end.

>>9917622
Also don't forget the convention and event listings and weekly posts Antonio does for Ontario and Canada. When I was starting out as an artists that kinda stuff helped me out know about conventions I had never heard of or thought to table at before.

Roger's recent blogs are also very helpful and informative

Despite the crap with both, they have their good qualities and sure both mean well

>>9917629
Honestly, both have been good for the community as a whole and I don't think people may realize that until they see that we aren't getting anything anymore with them leading it (unless someone else does)

>>9917580
>we had picnics and gatherings as they were smaller and thus people could interact with each other.

Picnics and gatherings are also where creeps gather
At least cons are big enough for people to try and get away and there's also staff to help out
No such people at picnics, and if you try to isolate yourself, that basically just means leaving the area

>>9917654
>Picnics and gatherings are also where creeps gather

Good to see our community is now creeper free-

Wait...

>>9917349
looking at their 2017 page the only option for getting a one day ticket was to get it at the door. If they're not available online now then I figure it will be the same scenario this year.

>>9917582
I don't want to dig up old drama but seriously what's with all this "problematic" talk? The people who were not well meaning were the people who were actively trying to ruin the Kariya Park event and not the people attending. Kariya Park does not even give out permits for meetups. The only permit you can even get for that location is for wedding photography.

Similarly Pokemon GO's June Community Day happened last Saturday and there were a lot of people loosely affiliated playing Pokemon Go in St. James Park. Just like Kariya Park the only permit you can get for St. James Park is for wedding photography. Just like how Kariya provides an awesome opportunity for photos St. James provides an awesome opportunity for Pokestops and Pokemon. People want to go there and have fun.

The Kariya Park meetup went on without issue for years until someone tried to ruin it. Imagine if someone at Pokemon GO community day was going around threatening/warning people that if they they don't leave St. James Park and go to Nathan Phillips Square instead the bylaw enforcement officers are going to show up and fine you for not having a permit? Thankfully, bullies like that don't exist in the Toronto Pokemon GO Community, only the Cosplay one, seemingly.

Let's not forget that after the Kariya Park meetup was succesfully bullied that they'd be following up with official documents and evidence that clears them from the accusation of being a bully. That follow up never happened because the documents did not exist.

>>9918469
Doesn't want to "dig up old drama", ends up digging up old drama. Just let it go. Clearly Antonio and OCC, Roger and CHG and most within the community are just trying to move on from it ignore like it ever happened, trying to close the book on this chapter of the community. Yet some within the community (mostly those who hate Antonio for simply being himself).

Yeah I don't like the guy, but I won't go out of my way to just dump on the guy. Yes he's had his fuckups, but he's also had his good moments. Just like any of the rest of us.

So I just say let it go and move on, like they have

>>9918600
I mean, I don't want to and I try to avoid it. But I absolutely will engage and correct arguably defamatory misinformation when I see it.

>>9918469 >>9918600 >>9918754
The OCC did nothing wrong

>>9918754
And again I will say "let it go and move on, like they have"

>>9910090
god this is cringey

>>9918864
Is it cringey? It's it really??
You guys said my oshi isn't cute, what did you think would happen?
Also it's a lot less cringier than those with waifus, at lease meme knows I exist.

>>9915996
You should try to make Otakuthon in Quebec if you can. They have some great guests this year.

>>9917538
Meets and picnics will still happen, people will just hold them privately within their established friend groups.

>>9919017
Well obviously, those are just called regular picnics or friends hanging out

But there won't be any cosplay picnics or events where say, people can come to those and befriend other cosplayers even outside of cons

>>9919068
Never again. No one will ever organize these again. Only Antonio and Roger were capable as human beings of doing this.

Truly the cospocalypse has come.

>>9919078 >>9919068
Someone could step up to the plate, but they'd have to be willing to get permits for their event

>>9919017
Those don't count as community cosplay picnics

>>9919068 >>9919078 >>9919081
Toronto Gaymers seems to be planning a cosplay event at High Park, maybe they can fill the void, seeing as they pull in money and can pay for permits and stuff. Least until another group builds itself up. OCC(outside of weekly posts) and CHG(outside of COTW posts) might be dead

>>9919111
I think the problem is these "community" things open to all eventually become mini conventions but if the organizers don't step up their game and continue to treat them as small get togethers with friends, it's a recipe for bad times.

>>9918845
>ctrl+f counter-argument not found

>>9919196
well OCC turned in to Frostcon which died off recently. CHG was also considering making a con at some point and from what I hear were offered to run Unplugged, but they declined.

>>9919078
A lot of people would love to run a picnic and alot of others have other than Antonio and Roger.

The problem here is that most cosplay picnics were without permits and because of permitgate, no one dares to try to run one as they either can't afford to continuously get permits or they realize that now that many know permits are required that some idiot will report the picnic whether it has a permit or not.

Seriously, fuck the events that happened around Permitgate. We lost our ability to have large and fun gatherings at Kariya Park and eventually everywhere else;.

>>9919562
Again as mentioned above, permits only seem to be a big issue in Toronto and Peel. Maybe it's time for such events to move out to Durham, Hamilton, Oakville and York Region. Anyone know if these regions and cities have the same hard line rules on cosplay picnics?

>>9918961
It's cringey that you think some random idol gives a fuck about you and that you won't stop talking about meeting her.

>>9919196
>these "community" things open to all eventually become mini conventions
no they don't. they're gatherings of cosplayers in parks. there's distinct differences from a convention. why is community in quotation marks, anyway?
>it's a recipe for bad times.
no it's not. care to explain?

>>9919558
FrostCon was separate of OCC. Yes some of the local reps were staff for FC, but for the overall most part we kept the business apart from the community group. Also FrostCon is only on indefinite hiatus, until the current con chair or trustee see fit to run it again

>>9919562
you're kind of exaggerating, but it is annoying that the self appointed fun police had to ruin everything and create a culture of fear. the bylaw enforcement officers did not shut down a single picnic until they were purposefully reported by bullies who were pretending to be doing good.

what's worse is that when you get a permit for a park you are technically only booking that 1 specific picnic area. like at the woodbine beach cosplay meet the permit site is pretty much tucked away in the back on the grass.
so it is technically against the rules for the picnic to even have their central meetup area / chill area be in an actual spot where people want to be. such as on the beach.

so what ends up happening is that there's just this group of stragglers at the main area while everyone splits into little cliques and groups for photoshoots or just whatever. people don't want to be contained to one area, they want to take advantage of the park to it's fullest. which is technically against the rules of the permit.

the year before permitgate, everyone was chilling on the sand. because there was no culture of fear. the damage is already done, sadly.

>>9919610
>expecting people to travel to the boonies for fucking cosplay picnics.

>>9919618
>Also FrostCon is only on indefinite hiatus, until the current con chair or trustee see fit to run it again

Didn't you guys declare it was the last year and that it's over? If not, when do you guys expect to return?

>>9919626
>>9919562
Imagine if the whole Kariya Park situation never happened...

>>9919626
If rules and laws(bylaw or legal) are a culture of fear for you, boy do I have bad news for you about the real every day world. I don't like it that some went out of their ways to target OCC or CHG events (yes both groups), but can't just freely ignore such laws and bylaws. Yeah they suck, but they are in place for a reason

>>9919626
Worse is that if someone did try to start up picnics again without a permit, with this knowledge at hand, some troll may just call up the bylaw enforcers and shut it down.

The community is dead.

>>9919644
I imagine CHG and Roger would still be around and we'd still be having picnics as we use to. Community might still be as tightknit as it use to be too rather than having become small cliques and groups.

>>9919645
but it wasn't actually enforced until people started calling them up.

>>9919640
Buck it up buttercup. This is why events and conventions that aren't downtown Toronto or new a big transit hub struggle to get by. Because people write them off because they are in the "boonies".

>>9919648
And that's what really pisses me off. Yes I'm still salty about it. I enjoyed going to those things. I've met people and befriended them through this.
Is there something I'm not seeing here? Is it truly fucking illegal to just have a bunch of people congregate in a park while dressed as whatever?

>>9919653
Yeah because paying 20 dollars for transit alone for a cosplay picnic or a new con (which would also have its own fee) is terrible.

The only reason ConBravo did as well is cause they actually made it worth going out there with all the stuff they have going.

>>9919658
it's not allowed but it wasn't ever enforced either. It's one of those "if someone tells the police, they will try to do something"

>>9919645
This should put the issue of whether cosplay gatherings "can lead to bad times" and all that to rest once and for all.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/pokemon-go-sudbury-meetup-1.3681900
Originally, Pokemon GO players in Sudbudy were told they need a permit

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/pokemon-go-meetup-update-1.3686367
Then, they decided they didn't

Is it really that much of a stretch to argue that something like CHG, OOC, or the Toronto Island Cosplay Picnic is any different than a Pokemon GO meetup?
Both even had Facebook Pages, which have to have an owner/organizer. There are way more similarities than differences. If someone wants to argue against this point, go ahead.

>Henderson says there is also a difference between social gatherings and organized events, which require permits for insurance purposes and if a portion of the park needs to be rented out. "At that point in the day, it could have been an organized event with vendors [and] music," he said. "There's a difference if there's a social gathering at the park - which is currently happening now - versus having an organized event with invitations asking for exclusive use of a section of a park."

Imagine believing that CHG wanted to 'rent out' a portion of Kariya Park and have vendors and stuff? Obviously they didn't. Imagine describing a cosplay picnic as anything other than a social gathering? I can't.

Gotta love the comment section of the 2nd article:
>So where are the posters who agreed with the city's previous stance, admitting they were wrong?

>>9919643
To quote from our post on the website and page "It is with a heavy heart that we must inform you that FrostCon will be going on indefinite hiatus and this past year might have been our final convention, ever"

It's no longer my call to run it again, so I can't answer such a question. That kind of question need to be asked of the con chair or trustee

>>9919662
>Imagine believing that CHG wanted to 'rent out' a portion of Kariya Park and have vendors and stuff? Obviously they didn't. Imagine describing a cosplay picnic as anything other than a social gathering? I can't.

That could be a good argument actually. If someone does want to continue the legacy of OCC and CHG, I hope they keep this as a basis to protecting their event.

>>9919664
Fair enough. I do hope if do come back that you guys try to toss it in February to fill that empty month between Shogatsu and MTAC.

>>9919665
Right? If the city of Sudbury can be confused about this why not Mississauga? All it takes is someone to report it and they must investigate or risk their job if some fluke accident actually did go down. At best, the parks dept was just covering their butts. The people that argue that CHG were criminals and degenerates have a really poor understanding of what bylaws are and why they exist.

>>9919685
Well CHG admins aren't innocent and goodie-goodie as some believe either. But neither is some of OCC's reps. We just need a group to step up that know's their stuff, follows the rules(if they have to), brings the fun and keep it going for awhile

>>9919701
I keep hearing people say CHG did crap, but I haven't heard what they did that was so bad unless you mean permitgate?

>>9919685
Well if someone does feel like doing it, hopefully they do hop here and see this post and do some further research from there.

>>9919701
Ignoring bylaws, playing dumb/silent or raging when some OCC reps tried talking with them, and harassing back OCC and Antonio (whether it was Roger, his other helpers or some other friends of his, yet to be seen). That's just the basic stuff I know they've done

>>9919614
It's cringey that you can't accept the fact that she honestly knew who I was and was genuinely happy to see me. I mean if she wasn't why did she get her manager to tell me to wait around after the rewards meeting so she could talk to me and sign my cheki when they were not signing chekis that day.
Here have a slightly displeased meme for your efforts.

>>9919728
Sounds like a salty OCC rep who can't take criticism for being a major reason the picnic scene is now dead.

>>9920407
Or someone who holds both groups and their admins/reps equally responsible for the current state of cosplay picnics in Toronto

>>9920495
or OCC trying to take CHG down with them

>>9920537
Or an incompetent CHG rep who can't take responsibility for their actions

>>9919920
You're so pathetic dude

>>9920778
Memetan doesn't think so at all, so that is all that matters to me.

>>9920778
Memetan doesn't think so at all, so that is all that matters to me.

>>9920495
>>9919728
They are absolutely not equal. CHG are victims of bullying. OCC are the bullies.

After the Kariya Park drama a CHG Member did a follow-up call to the Parks dept. to ask some questions. It was revealed that someone had been calling in reporting the upcoming CHG event and that the Parks dept. instructed NOT to engage with CHG or try to 'warn' them in any way on the day of.Of course, OCC denies this and says that the CHG member is lying about this phone call follow-up.

OCC claims they were being good samaritans who never reported anything or spoke to the Parks dept. at any point. They claim they were only trying to save people from possibly being fined or worse from the goodness of their heart. What a joke! Let's not forget that it was said that any bylaw enforcement officers/cops that did show up at Kariya that day were for an unrelated incident. IIRC OOC said that's was a lie, too.

Luckily we do have some form of proof re: OCC's shady behaviour and ideas surrounding Kariya Park in the lead-up to the drama.
www DOT facebook DOT com SLASH OntarioCosplayCommunity SLASH posts SLASH 1105778099453538
>Due to the City of Mississauga re-purposing of Kariya Park from an open space park to private photoshoots and relaxation only.

This post proves that OCC was educating themselves about Kariya Park's permit situation in the time leading up to the drama. Kariya Park was never 're-purposed'. It was always that way.
It is clear OCC became annoyed with CHG for hosting an event there, despite what they believed to be a bylaw infraction. (Pokemon GO Community Day example shows that it wouldn't be.) This is when OCC started to believe that cosplayers only have a right to have social gatherings in approved locations like Celebration Square and that it was their duty to 'protect' the cosplayers as the Fun Police.

>"they're ignoring bylaws! REEEE!!"
Before you say this: I'm still waiting for someone to argue why my Pokemon GO Community Day analogy is wrong.

>>9920924
I think when they say that CHG 'harassed them back' they're referring to how the OCC's Spring Fling High Park event was shut down by bylaw enforcement officers because they didn't have a permit.

It is possible that a CHG member "revenge reported" the High Park event. Does that even matter, though?
OCC was perfectly able to get a permit for their High Park event... they just didn't.
They messed up and claimed that none of their members having a Toronto mailing address made getting a permit difficult.

It was like adding salt to the wounds of the Kariya Park meetup. These jerks show up at Kariya threatening/warning people and pretending to be good samaritans when they knew that they were about to host their own event in High Park without a permit. Excuse me - what? The only reasonable thing to do would have been for OCC to cancel their event before it ever happened, citing lack of permit. Ironically, they were disrupted by the same fallacious argument and poor understanding of bylaws that they tried to pin on CHG.

>>9919653
No, events and conventions that aren't downtown Toronto struggle to get by because there is very little desire within society to even have these events in the first place.

That's why these events exist: to satisfy a need within society. Not the other way around. People WANT to come to the City. People WANT to hang out in awesome, accessible photoshoot locations, etc.

So are cosplay meets and picnics truly dead and gone for good?

>>9920935
Neither OCC rep threatened anyone who attended the Kariya Park event. The only person I saw get anywhere close to such was the CHG admin who got up in their faces after we all peacefully moved over to Celebration Square.

The website for some Toronto permits is misleading as it does ask for the one applying to have a Toronto address, but some in the permit department are loose on that rule. All depends on who you get when calling in as I called several times for planning for an event I was running and some said I did and some said I didn't. Ended up getting the permit using a friends address who lives in the city just to be safe.

Also yes it's very much possible that someone from CHG or one/several of their friends "revenged" the OCC, instead of being adults and taking the higher road. They choose to also act like bullies and children.

So to me both groups are BS and I can't wait until a proper group starts properly running events again.

>>9921006
No. They still happen, just less so in Toronto and more elsewhere(Oshawa, Hamilton, Niagara, London, etc). Toronto Gaymers are hosting a picnic later this summer in High Park.

>>9921044
>So to me both groups are BS and I can't wait until a proper group starts properly running events again.

You really think that'll happen after all this?

>>9921044
Okay now you are sounding heavily like an OCC rep with what you said there from calling up for permirts to acting like you are a victim. My theory may now stand with reason that OCC just wants to take down CHG so they don't look like the sole killers of the community.

>>9921076
In time cosplay picnics will return to Toronto and Mississauga

>>9921092
Ahhh, no. I'm just someone who attended the CHG Kariya Park and OCC High Park events and witnessed the crap that went down at both gatherings. And wanted to start hosting my own events. What, am I not allowed to phone in and get a better understanding of the Toronto bylaws before I hosted my event?

>>9921103
It is really suspicious how much you are defending OCC when before their actions we had picnics on the regular.

>>9921044
>after we all peacefully moved over to Celebration Square.
"peacefully"

>>9921124
They should never have been warned, or even instructed or offered to move away from Kariya whatsoever! They should have been entirely left alone!

>>9921105
I don't support either group and glad both are stepping back from hosting events. I'm just sick and tired of people pinning everything that happened on OCC. Yes they acted stupid leading up to the Kariya Park picnic, but so did CHG. The one CHG admin who met with the OCC reps was very confrontational and heated when he talked with the two reps who attended the event, when they addressed him in a civil manner. And then when it came time for OCC's event someone in CHG or one of their friends or both didn't take the high road and acted like a child and reported their event back. And add that people here bring it up so much, I'm tired of the bs. To me neither group is innocent

But if you wanna label me as an "OCC defender", that's on you.

>>9921131
Why are you trying to claim that OCC showing up at a CHG event to purposefully disrupt it is the same thing as the possibility that CHG anonymously reported an event on the phone?

Who ended the CHG event? OCC

Who ended the OCC event? Bylaw enforcement officers

They are not the same thing whatsoever. Your attempt to shift blame onto the victim, the CHG admin, about how they responded to being harassed by a bully, the OCC person, is sad.

>>9921141
CHG admins didn't even show up for hours to their own event. And when they did they got confrontational with the two OCC reps, who I saw acted in a civil manner during the conversation.

Sorry but no matter what both groups admins are shit people and we are better off without them managing/running events.

Now move on from this and let it be the last time it's ever brought up!

posting because I didn't realize a bunch of people did NEET for AN this year while I haven't worn mine to a convention for like 2 years

if any of you are reading this y'all should come by siege sometime

>>9921253
Dumb question, I see these neet outfits at many different conventions. What is the point or source of it?

>>9920787
Just stop, she doesn't even know who you are.

>>9921148
Does bullying someone in a 'civil manner' change anything about the nature of the harassment? No.

Does being 'late' to a casual, low key social gathering in a park change anything about permit status, or literally anything? No.

As long as people like you continue to spread delusional misinformation in sad attempts to bury the truth moving on is NOT possible.

Would being mugged hurt any less if the mugger threatened and spoke to you in a 'civil manner' with a cheery voice? No. Your points make no sense.

Why are you defending bullies? For someone who claims to have no particular allegiance your desperate bias towards protecting OCC is VERY obvious.

Maybe there's something I'm missing though - waiting for your explanation.

>>9922498
To me both groups admins are bullies

>>9922621
Again, I must repeat: Your attempt to shift blame onto the victim is sad.
Please, tell me what exactly was so confrontational and heated about the way the CHG admin replied.
Sounds like they were just standing up for themselves, and being confident.

From your previous post>>9921044
>Also yes it's very much possible that someone from CHG or one/several of their friends "revenged" the OCC, instead of being adults and taking the higher road. They choose to also act like bullies and children.
You start off saying it's possible, but you end it with a baseless assumption. Your bias shows sooo much.
CHG did nothing wrong. OCC are the only bullies.

>>9922406
It's like you just want me to Memepost. I have a feeling you are just baiting me into Memeposting now.

>>9922803
Different person. But someone who "bullies" back, even in revenge is also a bully and is no longer a victim. And think when whomever mentioned a higher road and not being childish think they meant that CHG should have handled it in a professional manner and not sunk to the low levels OCC did. And if random friends of CHG or community members and not CHG admins did the "revenging" they aren't any better than OCC's admins

>>9923097
Still waiting on the details about what was so very confrontational and heated about this CHG admin that makes them a shitty person.
I think it's far more likely that they were just being confident and standing up for themselves. Being civil and polite doesn't stop that OCC rep from being on a power trip using their paranoia to justify controlling people into leaving the picnic location with delusional false warnings of fines or worse. That behaviour is completely unacceptable. The only way it'd be even close to equatable is if the CHG admin was cussing on the top of their lungs, saying all sorts of abusive, racist or sexist stuff and just going to absolute town with profanity, threatening violence or worse. I think it's absolutely safe to say that is not what happened.

>>9923157
Well remembering back to when when the CHG admin verbally confronted the two OCC reps I don't remember seeing anyone else directly around them or listening in on what was being said. So the only people who knows what was said was those 3 people and I wouldn't believe a damn word Antonio or Vinay would say, jury is still out on Jax's(think that's what their name is).

And as >>9923097 also said whether CHG admins and/or their friends or random community members revenged the OCC High Park event, there's no doubt someone(s) did as don't think cities are actively searching out cosplay events online and respond to reports. So if CHG and/or their friends reported it they are just as childish, unprofessional and bully-ish as Antonio and/or OCC is and if it was random community members, we should but out and leave it to each groups admins to solve their own problems instead of adding to them.

Always better t be the bigger person, instead of sinking to the same lows as they are doing

I'm not even from Toronto but even I'm getting tired of seeing you guys bring up the CGH and OCC drama. Just accept they're both dead, drop this already, and move on.

>>9923409
That's what some of here also want. But seems the only group that still brings it up are seagulls

>>9923409
I would much rather this than have to hear Nekko go on about his Memetan

>>9923533
Report his shit, it’s creepy at this point.

>>9923533
At least you admit memetan is mine

>>9923538
Isn't Ita a thing on cgl?
What if I post memetan with Ita-chan?

>>9923409 >>9923461 >>9923533
Maritimer who would just wishes you would let both of these things die already

>>9923195
>remembering back to when when the CHG admin verbally confronted the two OCC reps I don't remember seeing anyone else directly around them or listening in on what was being said

So by extension, these are your posts, right?
>>9921131 >>9921148
>they got confrontational with the two OCC reps, who I saw acted in a civil manner during the conversation.

I find it super weird, then, that you would ignore my post directly addressed to (You) >>9922803

Honestly, the samefagging is just pathetic at this point.

>>9923732
Same Maritimer as >>9923613 again saying, let it go

>>9919728
>(whether it was Roger, his other helpers or some other friends of his, yet to be seen).

>>9920495
>someone who holds both groups and their admins/reps equally responsible

>>9921131
>I don't support either group
>And then when it came time for OCC's event someone in CHG or one of their friends or both didn't take the high road and acted like a child and reported their event back.

>>9921148
>when they did they got confrontational with the two OCC reps, who I saw acted in a civil manner during the conversation.
>both groups admins are shit people

>>9921044
>it's very much possible that someone from CHG or one/several of their friends "revenged" the OCC, instead of being adults and taking the higher road. They choose to also act like bullies and children.

>>9923195
>there's no doubt someone(s) did as don't think cities are actively searching out cosplay events online and respond to reports.

OCC posted this:
www? facebook ? com ?OntarioCosplayCommunity ?posts?1132048853493129
>But even with Toronto Parks Services showing up, meeting with the official event staff and informing us how they came to find our event(through an online search)

You have such a bias towards defending OCC.

>>9923756
Oh can it. Just like you all have a bias for this Antonio person. The only victims I see here is the local community and those that still gotta put up with your consent bringing up of the whole permit situation. To this BC'er both OCC and CHG sound like childish bullies, that are in a tit for tat war with each other. In a matter that could have been so very easily solved and whole issue avoid from the start. Glad we don't have any community groups like that out here right now

>>9923097
>And if random friends of CHG or community members and not CHG admins did the "revenging" they aren't any better than OCC's admins

Getting really tired of hearing this one especially. If any of you have been coming to /cgl/ even for a year or 2, you would know how hated OCC is by a number of people in the community, most of which aren't even part of CHG. OCC has a ton of enemies and it could easily have been one of their many many haters who could have called it up just to be all "in your face" with them.

>>9923768
Different person, but I am someone who hasn't hated OCC and infact liked their old events and even Frostcon. However, their move to virtually kill the picnics by shutting down Kariya Park is where I drew the line with them in the end.

>>9923769
They don't hate OCC, they hate Antonio. Don't get yourself confused or mislead. Also some of them might just be friends of Roger or Vinay. So maybe they didn't do it for CHG and for themselves, but they still sunk to childish and bully levels. Come on and be better people. There's a right way and a wrong way to fight back against bullies

>9923772
FrostCon and OCC were always separate of each other

>>9919618

>>9923772
As I already mentioned here, >>9919618 . OCC and FrostCon were separate of each other

>>9923774
I only said OCC cause a lot do associate OCC solely with Antonio, which was why so many hated on Frostcon unfairly even though Frostcon was much more than just being an Antonio show.

Even if by your logic they "may" have been friends of CHG, it still wasn't CHG who did it. However, with the amount of people who hate Antonio, this theory holds very little water as there are many who would like to screw over Antonio in some form.

>>9923779
Eitherways Antonio, unlike many people who disliked Frostcon just cause you were running it for a while, I didn't hate it is what I mean.

>>9923768
I haven't posted the word "Antonio" in this entire thread until this post. That would be breaking CGL's rule #2. Try again.

Still waiting for the user who has consistently claimed that they witnessed the CHG / OCC interaction to post back. They clearly demonstrated that they have a conspiracy theory that CHG revenge-reported the High Park event, despite OCC's official statement that they found it through an online search. They owe CHG an apology.

>>9923781
And that's just wrong and dumb of them. OCC isn't all about him, it's about connecting the community together and he isn't the only admins of the group. And same goes with FrostCon, he wasn't the only staff member and going into years 3 and 4 he wasn't really the one in charge of it.

I used to somewhat hate the dude. But after hearing and seeing how much hate and harassment he gets from people here and community people and actually talking with him and other FrostCon staff, my hard views of him have lessened

>>9923768
>In a matter that could have been so very easily solved and whole issue avoid from the start.
I don't understand your position. Can you clarify?
Should people have been allowed to meet up in Kariya Park or not?

>>9923786
You didn't have to post his name. We all know who you were talking about. Also believe it only applies to real names

>>9923796
I think I made myself pretty clear in my wording. But if I have to simplify it even more for you, I guess I will.

It sounds like CHG could have avoided this whole childish situation by following local bylaws and not having their picnic in a park that wasn't allowed to have such. Followed by OCC not acting like bylaw enforcement. Further deepened by CHG admins who it sounds addressed OCC admins in a heated manner or not at all, instead of in a professional and grownup manner. And continued by anyone who might have reported OCC's event.

That is what this BC'er makes of it all

>>9923806
Please see this post: >>9919662
If you have a valid counter argument I'm willing to hear it. Permit was not required. It was a poor interpretation of bylaws that OCC had no right to power-trip over and try to enforce on their own leading to the " " " peaceful " " " relocation of people to another park.

>>9923797
I purposefully didn't mention Antonio because he's made it very clear that he is not fully to blame for what goes on and shares blame with at least 1 other person.

There is no bias when examining the actions of OCC reps. There are facts and evidence that prove what they did was bad.
The Kariya Park meetup was disrupted by them due to a paranoid power trip. That's a fact.

Meanwhile on the CHG side there's only hearsay from literally 1 person that asserts they are the ONLY person that was present to witness it AND they didn't even hear what was said.
They assert they were confrontational and heated which was apparently really, really bad.
The obvious truth is that they were just being confident, and standing up for themselves.
That same user also holds a conspiracy theory that CHG revenge reported OCC's event despite an official statement saying that it was found through an online search.
That user has been trolling this issue for years.
I remember someone asserting that they were an independent third party who saw the heated confrontation years ago when it happened. Don't forget they now claim they were the only independent third party that was even present to witness what happened. >>9923195
You should ignore that user. Everyone should.
They don't know what they're talking about. CHG did nothing wrong.

>>9923809
Honestly, I'd say it's far more likely that OCC reported their own event and did it early to get it shut down relatively fast.

They probably believed their own interpretation of bylaws and were actually terrified of getting fined of hundreds of people showed up.

They probably rationalized that having the cliques split off was better than canceling the event entirely.

>>9923810
anon... you might be onto something. if sudbury can fuck it up why not toronto? especially if the reporting person is trying to trigger the park security and say they're like taking over an already-rented picnic area of high park or something lol

>>9923809
Permit not required because you can't have a permit for that park. So CHG was breaking many bylaws for the City of Mississauga. Yes OCC should have let bylaw enforcement handle it with CHG, which if that cities B.E is anything like our's here in BC, they would. But can't also just ice over and ignore that CHG went ahead and didn't move their event out of that park probably knowing that they couldn't have a picnic there, so hence breaking bylaws.

So strike against them both

CHG's admin getting heated and raging against the two OCC admins after they informed everyone who was attending the CHG event (that an admin choose to show up way late to) and moved them to some other park. Also heard from past threads talking about this that the main CHG admin wouldn't even talk with the OCC admins when they asked to talk with him later that same day. Which yes is in his right, but kinda unprofessional. Doing so could have ended it all there, maybe.

Strike against CHG

OCC saying they'd talk with local bylaw enforcement and getting the reports that would prove themselves right and failing to do so. Tsk tsk

Strike to OCC

Now if any CHG admins and/or their friends return reported the OCC event that followed their own, shame on them. Always better to take the high road, show that you can be more adult, professional than them and that you even if you are the victim and you bully back, your also become a bully. But if they didn't report and some other random community people did that aren't connected to CHG admins, WTF. Talk about putting yourself into something that should have been left to the admins of each group to handle and solve out themselves

No real strikes to anyone as to many possibilities here

Now as the some keep dragging this up so damn much and not leaving it to the two groups to work out themselves and just point fingers at either side and dump on Antonio, Roger, Vinay or anyone else directly connected with either group. Shame

Strike to those people

>>9923837
Now to end up my view of this all. I think it's time the community either brings this matter up with each groups admins and voice their concerns and complaints there, instead of here or between others or on other forums. As it really should be pushed for the groups to come together and solve this, so maybe that the community can come back together instead of having this deep rift between what seems to be the provinces two biggest community cosplay groups.

Like when two groups as such war against each other and get the community to start siding on either side it just leaves the community divided and nothing get's fixed and it just remains un-united. Now if the community comes together and pushes for the warring sides to fix the rift the community can maybe start to unite and work together again. As both groups seem to want to give back to the community and have it united, yet allow this rift that is not doing either to continue for so long.

That is just my view of it all. From someone who lives on the other side of the country. So take it or leave it as you will. But for the love of all things, can we just move past it. The rest of us are sick and tired of hearing so much of the same crap so often

>>9923837
Arguably, they weren't breaking any bylaws in Mississauga.
CHG weren't planning to send formal invitations, rent any portion of the park out and have vendors or anything like that.
The guy who clarified this for Sudbury is the city's general manager of citizen and leisure services. I feel like his interpretation of what constitutes a social gathering vs an organized event in an Ontario public park is more correct than yours. CHG was running a social gathering. No bylaws were broken.

As you're from BC, you may not be aware that Toronto has some notoriously shady bylaw enforcement officers. For example, there is a blyaw prohibiting photographers doing photoshoots in official parks for money. Photographers often get harassed by incompetent bylaw officers, particularly in High Park, and places like the Toronto Beaches. They absolutely insist that these photographers are being paid for their work... when they are often not, and just doing a shoot for free or something like that.
It is absolutely not a stretch to assume that the High Park bylaw enforcement officers were going above and beyond what they're actually required to do when the OCC picnic was shut down. Keep in mind that this happened just a few months before the Sudbury Pokemon GO drama, too.
Blaming CHG is just silly.

>>9923841
Still waiting for that supposed third party who was the sole independent witness to this apparently heated exchange to post. AFAIK they are the only OCC defender, and it was apparently based on faulty information as they might not be aware of that FB post OCC made about the High Park people finding it via online search. They owe CHG an apology.

>>9923843
Isn't it strange that Antonio has been posting under his tripcode but never bothered to correct that person that accused CHG of revenge reporting the event over and over again?
I mean, they were the one who posted that FB post clarifying the fact that it was found via an online search in the first place.
There's a difference between staying out of drama and then seeing it and allowing it to thrive.

>>9923843
Did a quick search for Cosplay Hangout Group on fb. And think I have found their "gathering" in question from March 12, 2016. And seeing as Picnic is right there in the title of the event and not something else, that's what I believe some judged it as. And that many times in the details for the event they say picnic and not a social gathering (yes cosplay picnics are social gatherings) and that they also made a call before the date of their event to move it from a place that allows the public to freely gather to a park that doesn't allow for picnics and is just classed as a photoshoot and small gathering park, nowhere I have seen mention on the City of Mississauga's website saying picnics allowed in Kariya Park.

And yes we have bylaw enforcement officers here that can be incompetent, but we also have some who take things for as they are and stick to what is before them.

Now I was being fair and outsiderish as I could with my personal review of the whole thing.

(PS, ever thought that OCC's admin could have just said what they did in that post as to not fan the flames any more so?)

>>9923843 >>9923848
Did a quick search for Cosplay Hangout Group on fb. And think I have found their "gathering" in question from March 12, 2016. And seeing as Picnic is right there in the title of the event and not something else, that's what I believe some judged it as. And that many times in the details for the event they say picnic and not a social gathering (yes cosplay picnics are social gatherings) and that they also made a call before the date of their event to move it from a place that allows the public to freely gather to a park that doesn't allow for picnics and is just classed as a photoshoot and small gathering park, nowhere I have seen mention on the City of Mississauga's website saying picnics allowed in Kariya Park.

And yes we have bylaw enforcement officers here that can be incompetent, but we also have some who take things for as they are and stick to what is before them.

Now I was being fair and outsiderish as I could with my personal review of the whole thing.

(PS, ever thought that OCC's admin could have just said what they did in that post as to not fan the flames any more so?)

>>9923856
A flawed interpretation is still a flawed interpretation. Definitions of "picnic" vary and I've ready demonstrated some of the clear differences between the two types of events.
Assuming you're the BC person, it seems you've changed your position from originally saying that they shouldnt have met in Kariya at all to now saying that others wrongly judged it as an event that it was not. Good call on the website btw, renting out or having vendors at Kariya is definitely not allowed. Thank you for clarifying how CHGs Meetup was a small gathering

>>9923550
No

>>9923939
What about memetan cosplaying as Itachan?

>>9924063
yes

>>9924309
Ok

okay so dumb question, but how do you know where cosplay photoshoots happen? When I went to otakuthon last year there was a big gathering of overwatch cosplayers taking pictures and I would like to know how to know when these things take place since I have an overwatch cosplay for this year. Is there a facebook group or something, is it written somewhere at the con?

God this thread is so autstic. I feel sorry for anyone new to /cgl/ they will probably avoid meetups due to this.

So where's everyone staying for otakuthon

>>9925245
Plenty of toronto folks have been avoiding meetups ever since nekko started posting here. Literally none of the old /cgl/ crew hangs out with the new /cgl/ crew because of him.

>>9924751
Facebook. There's not really any 'official' photoshoots like AN.

>>9925253
Home.

>>9925271
Not just Nekko you nitwit, most of this thread is filled with unnecessary 2 year old drama plus your hatred for the guy is also extremely cringey.

>Old /cgl/ crew
You actually sound the most cancerous here.

>>9924751
it's literally in the program every year and plastered across fb

For BC anons: anyone attending SFU Summer Fest (July 14) or MiniComi Art Market (July 21)?

>>9925680
I'm cursed with working every weekend. I could easily call in sick or get the day off but it's not worth it if I'm going alone. Both events being free is cool though. MiniComi seems interesting but fuck going to SFU.

>>9925480
Do they not realize that they are just playing into his shit posts? It's kind of pathetic fampai

>>9925271
Is there an actual "new" cgl crew?

>>9925836
Aw man, sorry to hear that - while both events are commutable, MiniComi is the closest to Vancouver plus there's a lot more happening around the event in North Van (beer garden, live music, etc). I can't wait for both. Maybe next year, anon!

>>9890845
Yeah, I had to book in February in North Vancouver. Money is amazingly tight since my brother has blown $2000+ on a weed operation that failed and has not paid rent since moving into my dads.

>>9925680
Only Revo for me since I live out in Nelson, Bringing sister to partner cosplay with and 2 family friends who are both girls.

On the matter of CHG Vs OCC:

I notice that the majority of complaints are themat members of CHG and/or friends of them called the 'permit police' on the high-park picnic.
So might I take your attention to the fact that right after this event happened quite a few things were said.
1st: the OCC decided to move the event away for a small amount of time after being warned.

2nd: the OCC, with seemingly no care for the innocent members of the community, informed us (i myself was present for this) that the issue was fine and we should return back to the same spot again.

3rd: two different people not directly associated with ether group came out that, due to the scare at Kirya park, had called the local authorities to make sure they would be fine if they went.
Rather if they mistakingly gave misinformation to the authorities or they did it on purpose the matter still stands that its been proven by two different people that CHG had absolutely nothing to do with the phone calls.


And on the matter of he whom is not aloud to be named due to the rules, this is not the first time he's taken others lives at risk for his own personal goals.
An example I was once informed of involved him getting a group of people to go to a photoshoot on a boat he neither had permission to use nor was the owner present. Imagine if the owner or the police came by.

>>9925271
Their loss.

>>9926980
We did not tell people to return back to the High Park pavilion after Parks workers came to me and Jax. We told attendees that the event was being cancelled and that people could remain there of their own choice, but that we had no official permit for that spot and encouraged some who wanted to remain in cosplay in the park to go about the park.

Also about that mentioned photoshoot I had been told from either a former friend or the photographer that the owner would be alright with us shooting on his boat. Had I had known otherwise I wouldn't have gone for it

>>9927224
Yes... A true loss indeed

>>9927446
STOP THAT

>>9928202
Sorry I forget she makes a better Lolita than anyone here and I shouldn't post that because others get jealous easily.
Here is a collage of her and ita I made though.

>>9927446
>>9928421

Don't envy her white girl thin lips. So happy I was not cursed with that.

>>9928520
>Hating on her delicate lips
I'm so happy I wasn't crused with your shit taste.

>>9928595
Creepy af

>>9928609
You mention her lips and it's ok.
I mention her lips and it's now creepy.

Y'all hypocrites

i dont really know nekko but can we ban him for avatarfaggig

>>9929228
Cant ban a dude for posting memes on 4chan

/NonToronto/ here

Can someone give me a red pill on Nekko (Neco????) please?
I've seen his name appear before multiple times but I have never really been able to understand his position and as of late, he really seems to be acting up for a lack of better words.

>>9929228
I only memepost when meme is relevant

>>9929447
No one worth caring about desu.

>>9929447
I really wish you wouldn't of asked this but im glad I can get my voice in before this gets out of hand. First off, let me start by staying I have known Nekko since his famous Apop party and still associate myself with him. The Nekko you see on 4chan or discord is not the Nekko you will meet in person. Yes there is times when his posts are a bit much and a bit cringey but the thing is that is what he is trying to do. The anon who mentioned the new and old cgl crews is right in the sense that there is a clear divide between the two but it is exactly what Nekko wanted. Anyone who actually knows him knows he likes having a good time and all the other group cared about is shit talking and gossip. Past Anime Norths, tons of people have made comments on how they wanted to attend the meet ups but they seemed either intimidating or everyone was already was in cliques so they didn't bother. This year there was none of that. Why? Nekko, thats why. He pretty much drowned out the cancer in the community and made it pretty accepting to the point where he had 2 nights of parties that were so big that the flooded out into the hall way both nights.
As for his whole idol posting, it was pretty much contained to the discord until someone called him out on here for it and he has just been shit posting ever since.

TL;DR
Just some drunkard who wanted keep cancer away from the meet ups and became cancer himself

>>9929487
TL;DR
Just some shit poster who's post are just shit.*

>>9923732
this user ghosted me :(

How's Montreal comic con?
I am reading up that it's pretty much a normie fest with barely anyone cosplaying with more exhibitors than anything. It's a massive p2w if you want to enjoy it.
There were a few guest that I wanted to meet but after seeing the price tags next to them I decided that I wouldn't be worth it
Also read a post on Facebook that there are of group of Latinos that allegedly goes around these cons to steal cash boxes/cash registers

Does Steven ever post photos/videos of the NMFT events? Last I checked there was nothing from 12 and even older events have little to nothing. Even the bands didn't post those selfie with the audience anywhere as far as I could see.

>>9934585
I went yesterday for the first time and what you wrote is pretty spot on. The ratio of cosplayers to non-cosplayers was dissapointing, I was expecting something more like Otakuthon. I left the masquerade around 10:30 and the 2nd and 5th floors were already empty. Otakuthon is better in every way.
I didn't read anything about thefts beforehand but when I was there, a vendor was talking about how she got robbed by a group on friday.

>>9935578
Do you think the bands really want to be seen with filthy gaijins

>>9934585
>>9935752
I've never actually bought a ticket and gone in but its reputation speaks for itself. People like to come with entire families and there were lots of young children, which was pretty cute at least but the number of good cosplay I saw, I could count on one hand. I went on Saturday just to lobbycon and my group left for food around 6, by the time we came back in the area around 8 the entire convention hall was 100% emptied out. It was pretty weird considering I'm used to Otakuthon where the party doesn't stop until like 1am and there's people still hanging around the area 24/7. You basically just spend money to spend more money and once the dealer's is closed, everyone dips.

>>9935819
I don't know. Is having a fanbase over a selling point or no?

Anyone else going to Animethon? I am excited for it even though I am really worried about the venue change. I have no clue how everyone is going to fit in there when it feels to crowded during Taste.
Anyone have their cosplays done?

>>9938413
I'm still debating on it. I don't really have my shit together. I could debut one new cosplay but I would probably reuse a bunch. I'd have to drive in from outside the city though and the only people I know are lolitas, so I'm really not sure if it's worth it.

>>9891105
I’m going as genderbent D.Va, see ya around

Who here is going to check out kimicon? I noticed they didn't have a booth Babe at anime North. The grammar and their shitty cosplay guests makes it look like it's going to be a shit show, definetely interested in being proven wrong though. If it goes well I might check it out next year

>Anirevo still hasnt posted schedule

>>9939951
I heard they had a boot and it was taken down for some random reason.

>>9939951
Didn't they ask for people to cosplay their mascot literally like a week or two before AN happened or something?

>>9939980
They usually post it pretty last minute

>>9938413
That's because during Taste they only used about 40% of the convention centre whereas A25 they will have the entire thing.

>>9929487
What two groups are there?

>>9935819
Do you think idols really wants to be seen with a filthy gajin like Nekko?

>>9940308
Nekko's whiteknights and the rest of Cgl

What is the best place to commission a piece of cosplay and not the whole thing? I want to purchase a hat for a costume I want and not the whole thing but I don't know where to order in Canada.

Heads up to Artist Alley, Vendors and heck - all attendees.

There's been multiple incidents of a distraction theft crew operating at shows and stealing from exhibitors at this past Anime North and Niagara Falls Comic Con and now just recently at Montreal Comic Con.

ConBravo in Hamilton is later this month and has posted warnings about these incidents.

I tried posting a link with descriptions and more info but it gets caught in the spam filter.

I'll try to reply with more after this post.

>>9940794

This comes from twitter user @ zeekayart
twitter com /zeekayart/status/1016126211137863680?s=19

>>9940084

yeah, i saw their booth at the con and it was just two bored af looking asian guys with no mascot in sight. was kind of disappointed, i really wanted to see the hot mess that would be a cosplay put together in 1 week

>>9934585
>>9935752
How was the events and panels compared to Otakuthon? Was there at least some good things to see or was it all boring? If that part was good, i might go there next year, but right now I'm all set for Otak since i had a shit ton of fun from start to finish thanks to all the stuff to do every hours.

>>9940794
>>9940795
This has been mentioned in the AA thread, and I appreciate the spread of awareness. I've witnessed the aftermath of a rather brazen theft that happened on the west coast - tall print display toppled over (not sure if by one of the perps) and while people helped the artist to get the display back up, her personal items were taken from under the table. Since I work in retail, I'm pretty careful of my things and vigilant of others, and I hope more and more artists increase their own security the best as possible. Also to keep cash and personal items on yourself is perhaps the best solution - merchandise is easier to replace than hard earned cash.

It’s going to be my first time going to Otakuthon, what should I expect?

>>9941379
Racist francophones.

But that aside, Otakuthon tends to have a good quantity of cosplayers. Panels are usually relevant and their guests are pretty good. The concerts are apparently great, though I've never been. The AA/Dealers is smaller than AN. Not as big of a party con as AN; there's actually weeb shit to do so you don't have to find entertainment in getting shit-faced with friends. Everything is condensed in one building so no walking back and forth across an active highway. All in all, a pretty chill and well organized con.

>>9941379
Fun. You have a big convention of four floors stacked on top of each others so you don't need to walk too far to get where you want, you can expect lots of panels and events each hours that caters both to Frenchies and English folks, the concerts are pretty good, late night is fun with lewd games or even /d/ tier shit to watch with other people who wants a good laugh, and you should be able to see voice actors and other people in the industry making fun panels that aren't just boring as shit q&as. They also have a nice and big vidya room with several tournaments and games you can play. If you ever been to Anime North and got bored to shit by the lack of everything, you'll definitely enjoy yourself in Otakuthon.

Make sure to head for China town which is glued right next to the convention. You'll definitely get some top tier weeb pictures, and you can fetch yourself a nice meal while you're at it. Make sure to check for other restaurants around the con since those inside are a tourist trap for your money unless you want to go to the maid cafe upstairs

>>9941376
No problem, was spreading the word after AN and after it happened at NFCC with similar tactics and suspect descriptions I knew it was an organized crime operation.

And then it happened in Montreal

https://montrealgazette com/news/local-news/community-rallies-after-vendors-robbed-of-thousands-at-montreal-comiccon

It's despicable that these 'people' would target a such awesome communities and I can't help but fear that they'll strike again. I'll be at ConBravo and doing my part to keep an eye out for these scumbags.

>>9941862
Hopefully they'll get some security staff for that. Damn shame some fucking spics has to ruin the show

Another update on the exhibitor thefts - another vendor became a victim Saturday at TFCon in Mississauga. :(

has anyone ever been to the rave at otakuthon? What was it like? I was thinking of going this year

>>9944416

I briefly wentast year on Saturday. It's in a room with a few cool lights and a projector of anime gifs looping behind the DJ. People at the door check your back but it was pretty half assed. Everyone just dances to songs and it was kind of a cringey when they got into a circle and a few weebs in the middle dances but other than that it seemed like harmless fun with ok music and sweaty weebs but not smelly from what I remember.

I feel like this was a shit review but I wasn't there long. I was alone while the boyfriend played smash (no friends rip) and some guy was being weird and complementing my legs so I left. I hope someone else has info lmao.

Everyone was friendly however but since I was there near the beginning the first 15 or so minutes felt like a middle school dance with lots of groups on the side, probably gets pretty lit near the end

I'm stuck with shitty local cons.
So i'm just going to Ptarmicon from the 27th-29th and im expecting literally nothing since i dont want to pay an additional 20 bucks for a shitty SPFX workshop/

>>9944440
>some guy was being weird and complementing my legs so I left
Was it nekko?

>>9944793
"Hey gurl, you could be an idol with those legs"

>>9944416
>>9944440
I went there years ago and never bothered coming back for more than 10 minutes for any following years. Pic related as to why. Rest of the years, I would walk in the room, check it out and leave. In retrospect, it was pretty cringy but it was fun regardless. Just a bunch of dumb weebs trying to have fun.
They keep changing the room and last time i checked it out, they abused the smoke machine. I am not joking, there was smoke in the hallway and as soon as I walked into the room, I had trouble breathing.
Anyway for the music, expect the most popular song being played on repeat. The year gangnam style came out, the DJ had to play it more than 10 times in the spam of an hour because it kept getting requested.
Keep your guard up for caramelldansen there will always be that one person who still thinks its 2008

Otakuthon is closing in and this thread is as dead as could be

>>9944416
>has anyone ever been to the rave at otakuthon?
calling it a "rave" in this city is hella insulting that is for sure

but if you wanna listen to weeb music chill w/random people maybe do some dancing its all good

>>9946588

maybe make a separate thread for it? people on the discord have been talking about it for a while. desu his thread pic is ugly/hard to recognize

>>9941379
Actual good anime panels compared to anime north. Everything being in 1 building. Good food near the convention

>>9944688
My condolences. Unfortunately their board and staff are allergic to constructive criticism and advice so expect it to never get better. I know from experience.

Ganbatte is this weekend with Vic Mignogna as a guest, not to mention they're having a booth with actual cats there to take photos with

>>9935578
He doesn't post much video apart from trailers for the next NMFT but there are a number of videos from randoms on youtube. He sometimes posts pictures with the bands when he takes them sightseeing on his twitter. You can also find some on instagram and twitter with #nmft/#nextmusicfromtokyo. The bands did post pics and video but you might have to check their band and personal twitters as that's the big thing for bands to use there.

>>9944970
https://www.etymotic.com/er20xs.html
http://downbeats.com/store/

>>9941401
>Racist francophones.

I'm a francophone myself, so I've been wondering how much of a pain is it for anglophones to deal with the general population/francophone weebs when coming to Otakuthon?

>>9944823
Idols are mentioned an no nekko three days later. What happened?

Anyone going to Con Bravo next week?

>>9947825
Non-francophone here (although I am the child of an anglophone and an allophone so to some I may not count as a "proper anglo")! I will preface this by mentioning that I was born and raised in Québec and have spoken French for pretty much my entire life, so I do not know if my opinion was the one you were seeking. I imagine that their experience (here I am referring specifically to uni-lingual and non french speaking anglophones from English Canada and the USA) is comparable to that of a francophone visiting English North America.

In short, most people don't really care about your linguistic background.

I will acknowledge, however, that in BOTH cases there are always going to be those handful of people who will give you shit for speaking the "wrong language" or for being a "Fucking English!/Fucking Frenchie!". Don't bother giving these kind of people the time of day. There may(???) be some bad apples at Otakuthon, but in my opinion the overwhelming majority of attendees just want to have fun and to enjoy the con with their fellow weebs.

For anglophones coming to Montréal for the first time, I would say not to worry about the language thing too much. The majority of Montréal residents are bilingual (and some 20% are fluent in at least 3 languages) so even if you do not speak any French you will be able to get by without a problem. This is especially true for Otakuthon because the convention centre is located in a rather touristy area. Even if the most you can manage is a simple "bonjour" or "merci", a lot of francophones will appreciate that you made an effort.

>>9948859
One time at otakuthon I helped a francophone buy hentai from an anglophone, being bilingual is great

honestly the biggest issue for me (as someone who has french as my mother tongue but is much more proficient in english nowadays) is just not knowing how to start conversations with people. its like, do you speak english? do you speak french? would you prefer to speak english or french because buddy i can do both I am more than happy to do whatever.

the only side issue I have is with the people in china town, I never know if they would rather speak english or french because obviously i dont speak chinese

>>9949023
maybe you could use the Bonjour-Hi method. It's normally supposed to be used in a work environment but you could use it with random people too. [spoiler] if you want to look autistic[spoiler] Don,t be afraid to just ask tho

>>9948859
To be honest, I was looking to find horror stories or difficulties people had at Otakuthon. We seems to agree on pretty much everything regarding the convention.

>>9949023
To be honest, despite being french-canadian, I default to english, because I assume most people from montreal at the con are bilingual. If I notice the person is struggling to answer or has an accent, I switch.

>>9946984
the discord has like the same 10 people talking, it’s a circlejerk more than gulls normally are in threads

is there going to be a /cgl/ meetup at otakuthon? I've never been to one before is it nice?

>>9949071
Maybe just a casual one on Saturday? It's been years since I've actually been to one.

>>9949067
The discord isbtrash, It's only nekko talking about idols

>>9949071
Otakuthon doesn’t really have a meetup besides a casual one where everyone goes to a bar or a party room before crashing super early

>>9949023
Always French first, I live barely a hour away from the convention so why start in English? However, I'll gladly swap out to English when i get into a English event since this is just the proper thing to do

The chinks usually speak the language of money, doesn't matter if you're English or French. Don't worry about having to use either language and go with the one you have easiness with so they can understand you better.

>>9949144
>>9949067
link to said discord? First time going to otakuthon

>>9949193

honestly id be down im wearing a super cozy cosplay on Saturday (besides heels) and id love to finally meet some of you in a way thats not staying at a hotel til late because i gotta catch the last subway ride.

should i just make a thread and to try to get the ball rolling?

>>9950222
Definitely, I’m excited to meet montreal gulls

>>9950222
I'd love to meet some of you guys too! I also have to catch the last subway ride so a cool, cozy meetup would be great!

What time is the last train/subway?

>>9950584
It's usually written on the doors before you get in the station

>>9949023
In general, in one's day-to-day life (at businesses and in public) it is better to default to French (obviously this doesn't apply if you are a tourist who doesn't speak French).

At the convention however, it would be wise to start off in English (seeing as a lot of artists, vendors, exhibitors and guests may not speak any French) and then switch over the French whenever the need arises.

As for Chinatown, in most cases I think that using English may serve you better than using French, but younger staff (usually second gen Canadians) are bilingual so you can go with whatever you're more comfortable with. Honestly though, the only thing you should be buying in Chinatown is food, so it is pretty straightforward: "give me that food -> total -> here's your money".

>>9950584
>http://www.stm.info/en/info/networks/metro/place-d-armes#first-last-passages

These are the times for the first and last passages at métro station Place-d'Armes (the station that is attached directly to the convention centre). In general, if you want to play it safe, I would suggest heading home around midnight.

>>9949857
https://discord.gg/4xQmBDd

anyone going to bravo?

facebook com/events/999775003538589
>Kawaii Bass & Nutaku.net are joining forces to bring you Toronto's first hentai party. Get ready for Hentai gaming and weebing out! There are no handchecks on this ride!
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I'll have to wear 2 pairs of safety shorts

>>9951148
I'll be in the artist alley all weekend. I'm packed and ready to go!

If anyone wants to meetup/join the room part for Otakuthon come to the Discord for ease of meeting and organization

https://discord.gg/CDAYj9B

>>9950222
you should make a thread. I"m more down for a chill meetup that ends before the last subway ride. heck I'll even make cookies if you guys are down

>>9950792
>last rides are at midnight
I thought Otakuthon had people loitering around until the wee hours, midnight doesn't sound that late.

>>9952298
that's only if your only ride home is the subway, Some people stay at hotels that are walking distance, some have cars or taxis. I know some people who spend the whole night at otakuthon and don't go home. If you don't need to rely on the subway, you can stay as long as you want

>>9952298
I can take the bus home so I can go home a bit later, but some people live sort of far and rely on the subway. In that case, unless they booked a room nearby or are willing to shell out money for a cab/uber or have a car, they have to leave earlier.

>>9949067
not our fault you dont contribute. why you even there in the first place?

>>9953402
Yeah, why am I along with the dozens upon dozens of other people that don’t contribute there, good question
Maybe because it’s an already established bunch of people so no one new feels like they can break into the group

>>9949144
I got my own containment channel, it's all good.

>>9951148
I should be there on Saturday at least.

>>9954026
New people join in every now and then. Plus if you want a place where there isn't an exact established group, go to my containment channel, I'm pretty accepting.

>>9954026
>talking online is hard
new people come in and chat sometimes so I think this is a "you" problem.
But, if you do manage to somehow, make an ass out of yourself at least you dont have to attend meetups and put a face to your name

AniRevo in one week. Who going?

>>9951148
Going today (Saturday) despite it being more expensive and offering far less than Anime North.

>>9954315
I might go but id like to see the schedule first to see whats there to do

>>9947241
the guests are at least nice. i spent a while chatting and they remembered a bunch of us from 2 years ago

>5 days to otakuthon

Who went to bravo? I heard it was alright even with the new management

>>9957148
I did. Definitely worked out fine. There were some slow spots on Friday and their reg was a bit confused at first, but they seem to be doing pretty well for the new management's first year. Certainly better than some cons like Frostcon or Genrecon ever did, even after years of running.

I'd say about on par with last year and plenty of potential.

>>9956451
You mean 4?

>>9954315
Not if this heat keeps up. I went a few years ago and it was like ten degrees cooler and it was still only bearable for me since it was right next to the water. If you're hanging out outside or trying to lobbycon it's gonna be hell this year.

>>9957148
I was there in the AA section. There was a small hiccup where our info said the marketplace was open on Saturday until 7 but all the programming said 9 so I had to cancel some plans to stay open later, but other than that it went as smoothly as possible. The staff were super cool and came by multiple times to each table over the weekend to check up on us.