/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9920901
First for motie forever, sweet be doomed

>>9920910
I’m an AP fan and I’ve always thought I would get into Moitie at 40-years-old when I have good income job and want to get toned down. But now that new Moitie dresses are easy to get I feel like I should jump on the ship early but I can not justify 30 000 yens for dress that’s a less detailed than the dresses from AP or Baby. How can I get over my autism?

>>9920915
Just do it. See if you like the quality, the design, the fit, etc. Things are different when you actually hold the garment in your hands and wear it yourself.
Worst case scenario, if you decide it's not for you at least at this point in time, you'll be able to sell it off to someone else.

>>9920915
Realise that motie's fabric choices and cuts are superior in every way. I can only speak for old moitie though, I don't own anything newer (yet, let's see how the Cross OP rerelease will be).

>>9920915
AP and Baby hide a lot of shittiness under prints. That was something I noticed when I swapped styles. Gothic can't hide poor quality and bad tailoring the same way sweet covers everything up with bows and pictures so it forces gothic brands to be better.

>>9920915

>>9920921 is right. AP/Baby designs are flashy and look pretty in photos, but the actual construction and fabric quality pales in comparison to dresses from brands that consistently release solids.

>>9920853
But again you're just treating it as if it's sales alone. They do these releases for tea parties only so it's already a limited quantity. I'm sure if they did something similar here, girls at the Tea party would jump on it.

Can someone explain what's with all the sweet hate recently? I'm a classic lolita, but sweet is the most popular and I think it's kinda cute.

>>9920933
We have people here traveling from different states for the AP anniversary party. If they are willing to drop money on transport, hotel and the teaparty, they will drop on a special teaparty only release.

When Baby opened in NYC there was a raffle just for who gets to be the lucky person to drop 1k on a dress, that wasn't even a region exclusive. There are definitely people here who would buy it.

On a similar note though, just the quality and scale of tea parties fucking sucks here in the US. The Baby teaparties in NYC were inside the tiny store ffs. With what looks like paper cups and plates, for the same price of a legit teaparty. That is beyond weak.

>>9920939
It's inconsequential, just people shitposting.

>>9920915
Things with "less details" are the things you end up wearing the most often

>>9920915
Why are you trying to force yourself to like something that's clearly not your taste?
YEah Moitie is popular and sought after but that doesn't mean everyone should wear it?

You love AP, you can just invest into their gorgeous solid pieces. Those are the ones that sit in shop forever but are very hard to find secondhand because they are loved, not bought to resell for profit.

>>9920919
They are re-releasing old moitie. Old as balls
Imo the one redeeming thing about Moitie that justifies their boringness, is their consistency.

>>9920939
Other than a general distaste for the aesthetic, I feel like it's mainly to do with most wacko lolitas and ita's tend to gravitate to sweet more than any other style.

>>9920956
I think ita's go for gothic lolita because of anime characters but ageplayers go for sweet

>>9920961
I think anime weebs go for sweet because of kawaii prints

>>9920915
It isn’t less detailed, it’s just done differently. A lot of AP focuses on the design of the print, and they reuse cuts and ideas. It isn’t like AP cannot focus on the dress, but the popular stuff most sweet Lolita’s like are very print oriented.

Moitie isn’t heavy on the prints, and it’s more about the overall design and simplicity of the look. Their fabric quality is good, their lace is custom and the cuts they come out with are supposed to be sleek. There is a reason why there is die hard Moitie fans out there, and why besides skirts (which are not popular in any style) Moitie retains value the best.

Don’t force yourself to buy something just because you can, but if you like what they are releasing now, try one out. Some detail cannot be expressed over words.

>>9920952
For few seconds I reckoned I should write the disclaimer but here: I like Moitie, gothic and old school lolita besides sweet. Right now I’m just putting my money on where I see the most details on stock photos while understanding Moitie is better in quality. I’m already buying items that are not busy prints if they’re cheap.

>>9920954
kys

God japanese lolitas really are shameless when it comes to asking for discounts.

>>9920965
This. The construction of a dress and the quality of the fabric aren't things that are as obvious to tell from pictures as stuff like bows and prints. That's why dresses by brands like Moitie and Victorian Maiden might look plain or not worth their price to some, especially when compared to the overload of decoration brands like AP put on their items. Only when I got my first VM main pieces did I understand the difference a solidly constructed piece makes. I think those brands just focus more on having a good foundation and being minimal in extra design features, whereas the main sweet brands tend to go for a mid-tier (for a Japanese lolita brand, overall it's still great) construction and more over the top added decoration.
Whether you like one over the other is a matter of taste and preference. It's not like one is straight up better than the other.

>>9920940
In comparison with this, the Baby party is beyond sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e1_VQXzQVs

>>9920965
AP and Baby also do custom lace though not for every release.. Moitie just produces less than them in general so their overall costs are higher

>>9920973
I'm complimenting them on their quality even though I get exited about their designs...

>>9920973
I'm complimenting them on their quality even though I don't get exited about their designs...

>>9921014
Moitie does their stuff in Japan when they can and their lace is hand made. Rereleases seen to be more now going to China but I’ll check my tags to confirm. Ap is factory made and all their stuff is from foreign factories. Baby too.

>>9921022
Neo Gothic Arch was made in Japan, as is every Moitie item I've checked (which is a lot). Granted I mostly own old dresses. Don't know about the recent novelties/goods, and accessories aren't typically marked.

>>9921024
Thanks for checking! This would alone account for the cost, using local factories tend to be more expensive. The chokers they talk about were just released this month even though they were working on them in Nov.

>>9921027
No problem, although I'll triple check tomorrow to make sure I'm not crazy.

>>9920915
Don't force yourself to wear Moitie if you don't love it. I remember seeing their stuff in person and although it was really nice it just didn't jump out at me or excite me enough to spend those prices. The first time I walked into a BTSSB store was a completely different story. That doesn't mean moitie is boring or AP/Baby hide behind prints, it just means that the brands have different selling points that appeal to different people. If you're just not a Moitie person don't force yourself to be just because it's accessible right now. It's not like they're the only gothic brand ever to exist.

>>9921022
I've bought a bunch of stuff from baby this past year and they're almost always made in Japan. I know anecdotes aren't evidence and there's no way to tell where everything is made, but I still don't think it's fair to write off Baby just because AP is inconsistent.

>>9920939
Just butthurt it's more popular.

>>9920939

>>9921186 This, but also some noobs think they're on 4chan and they need to act cool. Some noobs once started a thread with "classic only, no sweet please" but with a btssb pastel rufflemonster. Thread bombed because everyone went "wtf", and then they started a "gothic only, absolutely hate sweet, ew" thread with an Angelic Pretty OTT rufflemonster in black... If you've ever wondered why gothic threads always derail into arguments, you can thank those clueless posturing noobs who think shitting on something makes them look "cool" instead of totally clueless.

Hello everyone I'm Kimmi desu ~ so I've been wondering.. do Lolitas hate sexual stuff related to Lolita because it's just so hard to have sex in Lolita? I was trying with my boyfriend, and I had so many layers on it was so difficult! And I don't wanna wear a cage skirt because that's BDSM and I'm not into that. As a conservative Texan girl, I don't want boys to see up my skirt so easily. Do you guys have any recommendations on making Lolita sex easier? I came to CGL because I don't want my local community to know my sexual struggles, as I know sex is poorly regarded when in Lolita. Does anyone have any tips or suggestions? Much appreciated!

>>9921262
Nice b8

>>9921262
Newfag's low IQ bait.
>>9920915
Moitie is a gothic brand, sweet friend. What makes you think you'd do a 180 on your entire fashion style and colors just because you hit 40?

>>9920939
Recently? It's basically a meme on /cgl/ to hate sweet lolita.

>>9921270
>>9920967

>>9920939
Because gothic/moitie is trendy right now. Remember when people started shitting on OTT? That was because old school became trendy.

>>9921295
People still shit on OTT and I can see why. Highly doubt it's the same thing. Looks more like shitposting, in some cases it's not even lolitas that are saying this.

>>9920901
Still wonder where these girls went to. They were my idols back in the days and I’d celebrate every new upload of theirs on dunkelsuess

>>9921024
They posted on facebook that their recent things are made in Japan

>>9921301
>dunkelsuess
F

>>9921051
Yeah I sometimes notice people put Baby with AP for no reason. Afaik AP is the only Japanese brand that changed factories in foreign countries a bunch of times these past few years but they probably found some to stick with by now?

>>9920915
Less detailed? Please have a look at Moitie pieces irl if you ever have the chance and dare say that again. AP trades beautiful fabrics and detailing for their often busy prints but don’t confuse detail in artwork with detail in a dress.

>>9921009
That’s because the AP one in video is in Shanghai so of course they’re going to do the absolute most. Brand tea parties in western countries are held either in hotels at cons or in their stores, it’s a pointless comparison.

>>9921330
>Brand tea parties in western countries are held either in hotels at cons or in their stores
It's only like that in the US. I've never been to a con and stores here are tiny.

>>9921307
I honestly don't even know what AP are doing anymore with their manufacturing. I haven't really been into their designs enough to buy anything for over a year now so I wouldn't know. All I know is they're not the same as they used to be a couple years back. Last thing I got from them was a dress made in China, and some cutsews made in Japan, all from late 2016-early 2017.

I'm guessing people just lump Baby in with them because it's popular right now to shit on sweet? Baby still produces a lot of stuff in Japan,as do Alice and the Pirates. Maybe the quality isn't up to every moitiefag's standards, but every now and then I see a few anons making it out like Baby is putting out cheap sweatshop dirt when it's just not true. I only really hear gulls complaining about Baby though, so maybe it is just a meme to hate sweet. Who knows?

>>9920939
Girls salty they can't pull it off and that it's the most popular style. So they just go "reeee y-you're just ageplayers with no taste!!1!".
They got no understanding of sweet either, not all sweet is supah kawaii uguu toy prints worn with a pink puffy blouse and pigtails (which i find cringe myself, you shouldnt wear pigtails past 12).
That and trolling/shitpost.

Milk, what is you doing

>>9921346
Kawaii Roman kei

>>9921345
>you shouldnt wear pigtails past 12
Most people would say you shouldn't wear bows and frills past 12, what's your point?

sercrets

>>9921051
Fair point on Baby, although I guess my bigger point was the hand made lace Moitie claims vs the factory custom lace other brands are doing.

>>9921359
Moitie's lace is handmade? Where did you hear that from?

>>9921359
No you're definitely right about the custom lace. I think I just get mad when people drag Baby into AP's problems, because they've stayed fairly consistent and high quality, from what I've seen.

>>9921357
Wow, lots of commdromm going on this week.
Why are people so afraid of being lonelitas?
Big group events are awesome but trying to cultivate a levelheaded, easygoing, well-dressed bunch is impossible.

>>9921374
Possibly because they're
1. Afraid to wear the fashion alone
2. Into the fashion for the purpose of finding friends or to belong to a group
Or a combination of the two.

>>9921345
>which i find cringe myself, you shouldnt wear pigtails past 12

>>9921352
>>9921380
That's just my opinion. High pigtails just never look good imo, it legit looks childish, while frills and bows can be elegant and cute at the same time.

>>9921385
Although,gotta admit,i've seen maybe one or two girls pull it off (but it was neatly styled, not just two frizzy poodle ears or limp ass tails)

>>9921349
>>9921346
God this gives me flashbacks to 2006 when this shit was popular in normie fashion.

>>9921022
If we wanted to be exact, Moitie's stuff is being managed and manufactured by Tanaqro. They are searching a new designer for Moitie since November btw
https://gb.wantedly.com/projects/165220

>>9921379
I do find it's really nice to go as a group. I'm a very tone down Lolita (basic coords) and I kinda like having a chance to see in-person more adventurous people experimenting. Also in groups I can blend in a bit more and normies want to ask the more OTT people the standard 'what are you wearing?' questions.

>>9921379
This is why I don't mind being a lone Lolita who then tries to go to a big group event every once in a while. I once had a Lolita friend and as a pair it was great, but I found as more kinda gravitated into our sphere it became more and more "complicated" just to do simple outtings.

>>9920940
The AP tea party this year was at the Palace Hotel in sf. Look it up; the place is an amazing location and it's considered one of the best hotels in the city.

>>9921414
I'm >>9921379 and I'm not saying that comms are bad, obviously most people who want to join a comm want to do so in order to meet and socialize with other lolitas; but there's a difference between a lolita who wants to meet like-minded people, and some rando who wants to wear lolita so they could join a comm and have friends. And the latter does exist, my comm is unfortunately littered with people like this. Coincidentally, or not, they also avoid wearing lolita outside of meets because "it's too scary".

>>9921336
I'm a gothic/classicfag and I’ve been really disappointed with AatP’s quality in the last few years, so I don’t think it’s just some anti-sweet meme.

>>9921271
Yeah, that's why practically all the drawn reaction pics that come from here are sweet lolita right? Newfag pls.

>>9920939
It's summer. Newfags and trolls shitposting trying to be hip and edgy.

>>9921396
Need

Another AP fag here with a question for the Moitiefags -- someone tell me about the pockets?

Actually I do all the substyles but I definitely gravitate towards half-shirred AP because pockets. It's weird, I know, I'm even modding my IW to have pockets (IW would be my fav brand if not for the boobloaf and pockets). Moitie pockets confuse me, two skirts have pockets, two chiffon dresses do not, one half-velvet dress does not either, and neither does the half-velvet-half-floral dress either. Hoping some rather more hardcore Moitie fans can shed some light on this, I'd love more Moitie but it seems like the two skirts were just a fluke?

>loving someone so much you decide to buy them food to surprise them vc they're broke rn and pass on a dress you like
Her smile is worth all of the Daydream Carnival in the world

What are things (lolita related) you did out of love for friends,SOs?

>>9921509
I bought a friend's DD for her when it came up on Closet Child at a point in time when she couldn't afford it.

>>9921336
I think it's just anons repeating what they heard from another anon. Maybe someone got a couple of bad dresses a few years ago and people won't shut up about it.

>>9921345
>i find cringe
>you shouldnt wear
People like you are the cancer of lolita. Just give up on alt fashions altogether.

>>9921385
>it legit looks childish
You do know childhood is a huge inspiration for lolita?

>>9921394
Nope, the company is owned by tamaqro but Moitie has their own management and seamstresses they chose

>>9921453
I only have one Moitie JSK with pockets, but I never use them because it ruins the silhouette and I have bags I like to use.

>>9921453
Maybe a bad suggestion, but for skirts without pockets have you considered sewing something like the Victorian tie-on cotton pockets? unless you like keeping your hands in them or take out things often I think it could work?

>>9921396
i'm love. I hope they make more than one size.

>>9921537

Taking things out often is the one. Wallet goes in one pocket, car keys and handphone goes in the other, as you can guess both get a lot of use. Most days I don't even carry a handbag. Super, super convenient when you're just doing daily lolita and hang out with some friends at the mall.

>>9921531

The cutsew dresses distort when you put heavy things in the pockets, but the dresses in general seem fine. Super poofy pettis seems to do the trick for keeping the skirt fluffy all the same. Or maybe my handphone/wallet just isn't as heavy, idk.

Can I ask which Moitie jsk has the pockets? Currently wondering if it's the year or the material that makes it more likely to have pockets.

>>9921396
Is the cross removable?

>>9921396
I feel like you could get an apron like that a lot cheaper from a victorian reenactor on Etsy...

>>9921550
It's not on lolibrary but it's almost the same dress as pic related

>>9921531
>Moitie has their own management and seamstresses they chose
Then why is Tamaqro's management the ones that decide over the new designer for Moitie?

>>9921563
They don't

>>9921562

Seems to be the same material as my two skirts, all three are A-line cuts as well. I guess that cut might have a higher chance of having pockets. Thanks, anon.

>>9921434
>but a lot of memes are sweet lolita!!!
You think because people depict sweet lolita in memes a lot it means sweet is more popular on /cgl/? Are you stupid? You must be really new if you don't see how often we roast it here or see sweet lolitas self deprecate, hence a lot of the memes being sweet.

>>9921622
nayrt but sweet is more popular literally everywhere so it makes sense to say it's popular on /cgl/ too.

>>9921564
Did you even look at the link because they do.

>>9921622
>You must be really new
Keep projecting anon.

>>9921394
How to graduate ASAP and apply for the designer position

>>9921646
Nayrt but I can't read everything?? Anyway if tamaqro advertises a job it doesn't mean Moitie is completely merged with them and doesn't have a say in it lol

>>9921385
I will wear pigtails to my grave.

>>9921656
Lol good luck

>>9921385
Low pigtails are better anyway

>>9921509
Has a friend going through a tough time so our friend group chipped in to get her a Kumya rucksack.

>>9921725
High pigtails are better if you're wearing a head eating bow though.

i'm watching the entire youtube channel of Kawaii Girl Japan (the one with englo subs) and those older vids with Misako in them makes me remember how much I love lolita,god.
>that good feel when a dress she wears in a video became one of your dream dress as a teen and is now in your closet

What are things that make you remember your love for lolita?

>>9921754
God I love those videos, even though technically they're not really that old. Or at least, they don't feel very old.
I like browsing EGL's archive, mostly looking at posts by girls I used to admire or posts with interesting discussions/funny drama, while listening to Malice Mizer and Moi dix Mois. I used to do the exact same thing when I was a newb and wanted to take in any and all information about the fashion, except that back then I was browsing recent posts rather than the archive.
I feel old now, shit.

>https://www.coordcloset.com/

Anons, I'm looking for feedback. It's still in beta so it's not perfect, but feel free to try it out. Real names not required.

>>9921766
I love you so much
Pls marry me

>>9921766
This looks promising but it takes quite a long time just to load the first page.

I don't know about how I feel about having those categories, with comm leader being the top. Seems like unnecessary dick waving to me, and i think i could tell by someone's wardrobe their rank in the fashion.

Ok, so i finallly made an account and logged in aaanddd.. its completely not what i expected from the name? It looks like facebook, but i thought it would be like lookbook or a website that lets you track what items you have? Now that I see it, the ranking idea seems even worse.

I love that there is a forum. Love that there are events, so that we can hopefully jump ship from FB. Love that there are groups. I suggest adding an event feature within groups as well.

Overall I really commend your work, please keep going!

>>9921766
I like it so far!

>>9921785
I agree, I thought it was going to be a wardrobe-based thing, like the feature on Lolibrary. I think adding that option would be nice so the name doesn't seem so off.

>>9921766
If I open up at category, such as Events or User Categories and click on an item in that page, the menu on the left doesn't stay open - the whole page refreshes and closes the dropdown. Not sure how you set up the site but that might be something to fix.

>>9921766
Another thing I noticed, the profile's About Me section displays my full birth date, and won't let me remove it. I can also view other user's birthdays without having them as friends.

I know it's a small thing but really bugs me to have it on display in this age of no privacy. I don't want randoms to see it.

>>9921785
Yeah I'm still debating on the user categories, but it would make finding other people easier.

The name... I couldn't think of anything suitable to be honest.

>>9921788
I'd like to add integration with lolibrary in the future, but I need to talk to them about it.

>>9921792
Sounds reasonable.

>>9921792
Birth date can be considered sensitive identifying data so there should be an option to hide it.

>>9921752
Head eating bows look even more retarded than high pigtails.

>>9921838

>>9921750
>tfw no lolita friends

Sometimes I try to read Japanese websites and I noticed that coords like pic related are called casual lolita there. But Western lolitas don't call it that, I wonder why? Just a simple dress with only 1 petticoat instead of 3. Though I think this way of doing casual lolita is only acceptable if you also wear ''real'' lolita, and I wouldn't wear it to a meet.

My comm is quite OTT so I think it would be nice to embrace casual lolita more so newbies can see that OTT is not the only way to wear it, you can wear it when you're lazy at home or just going about your day normally. Of course, you can also wear OTT lolita when you're just having a normal day, but sometimes I see people complain that lolita is too uncomfortable or inconvenient, and I just think it doesn't have to be that way.

Sorry for blog post.
TLDR why is pic related not considered casual lolita in the West?

>>9922005
Because in the beginning of the fashion gaining popularity in the West, the distinction was made between lolita and Otome, though that isn’t considered a thing in japan. I think it stemmed from brands like Emily Temple Cute and Milk not calling themselves lolita brands and not being featured in GLBs very often, so it was considered that all brands siniliar to ETC and Milk must not make lolita clothes but instead a different style.

>>9922009
>in the beginning the distinction was made between lolita and Otome
Wrong, otome kei became a thing in the West way later. Actually in egl livejournal days wasn't Emily Temple Cute considered a lolita brand?

>>9922009
>in the beginning the distinction was made between lolita and Otome
Wrong, otome kei became a thing in the West way later. Actually in early egl livejournal days wasn't Emily Temple Cute considered a lolita brand?

>>9922013
Yep same with Jane Marple
The lolita and otome differentiations came much later than when LJ lost popularity, and they seem to be more of a western thing anyway

What do you guys think about Japan's new panty flashing sweet lolita mascot character?

>>9922054

>>9922054
weird

>>9922054
>>9922057
this gives furries a bad rap

pls don't combine furries and lolita fashion together, thanx

>>9922077
Can furries even get a worse rap?

>>9922054
>>9922057

>>9922005
Because a lot of western lolitas take genuine pride and pleasure out of making the "rules" as granular as possible

>>9922005
>Just a simple dress with only 1 petticoat instead of 3
>people complain that lolita is too uncomfortable or inconvenient
If they only ever wear lolita with 3 pettis then no wonder they think it's uncomfortable, holy shit. What happened to investing in one reliable petticoat? Or wearing a hoop skirt for maximum poof?
This is a bit of an OT rant, excuse me, but it makes me sad and baffled to hear how people who only wear OTT shit ruin the fashion for themselves.

>>9922104
hoop skirts are ugly and uncomfortable desu

>>9922077
>implying furries already aren't bottom of the barrel rep wise

Funny joke

>>9920915
If you can't justify the price then don't buy the 30k dresses, buy the 12k secondhand dresses

>>9921453
As far as I've understood it, it's the age that matters. Everything I've owned from 2003-2007 has had pockets, nothing post 2011 I've owned has had pockets. I haven't owned any mainpieces from 2008-2010 so can't really tell which year they stopped.

>>9921453
My cardigans and coats have pockets, but desu I prefer to use bags

>>9922005
That's considered casual lolita in my comm too...?

>>9922114
In my comm they'd say it's otome kei as soon as they see the brand name

>>9922105
Pic related is wearing a hoop skirt. Sorry you don't know how to wear your undergarments properly but it doesn't mean hoop skirts are universally ugly.

>>9922105
Uhm what? They literally look the same and are less stifling.

>>9922077
*yiff* OwO rawr~ x3

>>9922131
To be fair, most of the poof in that photo came from petticoats I layered over the hoop skirt. The hoop skirt itself was pretty small and only meant to keep my petticoats off my legs.

Also my skirt shape is terrible in that photo.

>>9922181
Your skirt shape is prettier than most, don't sell yourself short.
>Also you're gorgeous and I really look up to you even though I'm an ugly western girl who will literally never look as cute as you

>>9921838
You're in the wrong fashion

>>9922188
He's pretty ugly tho. Coords well, but the face is yikes.

>>9922202
He's cuter than you.

>>9922205
>he's cuter than you

This is laughable. Not just because it isn't true, but because you'd say something like this without even knowing what I look like to WK him.

>>9922202
Not just butterface on that guy but also butterattitude. Although I also think both are directly proportional to his levels of smugness and superiority, and could be ameliorated.

>>9922202
He's not ugly at all, he just looks like a guy- mostly because he is one.

>>9922206
Not laughable because we all know you’re the ugliest one here

>>9922263
>>9922206
>>9922266
Don’t you start

>>9922268
Again, laughable, because this isn't true in the least and you're either projecting or delusional.

>>9922263
I'd buy it. He always seemed kind of self important

>>9922202
>>9922206
>>9922263
>>9922279
MOOOODDDSSSS

>>9922281
>weh weh ppls r posting things i dun leik ;A;

fuck off

>>9922269
I literally said he wasn't ugly. Lolita looks good on him but he still looks like a guy

>>9922284
NAYRT but:
>Singling people out maliciously is not tolerated and will result in a ban.

Someone showed up to comment on something on-topic and someone got unnecessarily butthurt about something off-topic.

>>9922289
How is it maliciously singling someone out? One person posted a pic, someone kissed his ass, and another person spoke up saying they thought his face was ugly. Fuck off. That rule is for vendettas, not comments you dislike.

>>9921346
Unironically adore this

>>9922290
Off-topic bitching is just as bad as ass kissing, but only one is against the rules. If that makes you angry then at least have the self awareness to realize that it comes off as a vendetta.

>>9922294
Calling someone ugly isn't against the rules newfag. Posting vendettas is. And calling someone ugly without even being the one to post their picture =/= vendetta. What is with the influence of people calling simple shit like that vendetta? You must not have been here for long to screech that buzzword at like two comments. Take your WK whining somewhere else.

>>9922294
This isn't a vendetta. Posting him in the ita thread when he's not an ita would be a vendetta, or spamming pics of him that are unflattering. I know coming here is a drastic change from social media sites like FB and Insta so it's a bit of a shock seeing people you look up to getting openly criticized, but I think it would be helpful for you to lurk the board a bit so you get the feel of what is posted here.

>>9922296
Sorry you're not allowed to use /cgl/ as your personal mean girl message board, anon.

>>9922297
I think it's funny that you're so mad about someone disagreeing with you when the original point was "sometimes people disagree with you, chill."

>>9922303
This was my first post regarding the topic anon. I was trying to explain to people who seem to be new that this is a common occurrence on /cgl/ and not a real vendettapost. Once you see an actual vendettapost it's easy to tell the difference.

>>9922300
That's actually what /cgl/ is known for newfriend

>>9922304
It was also mine? But I agree, it's stupid to defend someone hijacking a nice conversation to make it negative for no real reason.

>>9922306
But being "known for it" is a reputation we actively try to dissuade and we always get salty whenever people hear "I'm a seagull" and automatically assume we're jealous megabitches who call random strangers ugly for daring to wear cosplay or lolita.

>>9922308
How is that being your first post relevant? You accused me of being someone else, I didn't say you had previously said anything. There's no hijacking, and if anything people complaining about a few posts is what's steering the conversation off topic. But that in itself happens really frequently, so acting like it's some big problem again makes me think you are new. I do advise you to lurk more to get the feel of the board.

>>9922313
No it isn't. /cgl/ is known to be a safe haven where you can openly express your salt when you can't express it on other platforms like FB. The whole joke is we are salty gulls.

>>9922313
>>9922318
People have even made print ideas based on it

>>9922314
It's not really a big problem, and I don't think I'm acting like it is. It's just kind of irritating. I've been on the board for way too long, to be honest, and I think resorting to "u must be new" accusations when someone is tired of a specific thing happening is sort of silly.

Most people here loathe the "needlessly bitchy" rep the board has. We constantly talk about how /cgl/ is genuinely a helpful place to get good crit and it's obnoxious to see some people pissing on someone's looks because it just reinforces the bad rep and takes away from the good the board has.

>>9922325

>>9922326
>we
>we
>we

Settle the fuck down newfag. Talking about /cgl/ as if everyone is handholdy and thinks we should all pitch in to be sunshine and lollipops is why people are calling you new. This is fucking 4chan, and this board has a catty reputation for a reason. Lurk for a week and it'll be more than obvious. If what you are saying is true, why is the catalog riddled with ita threads, bad cosplay, bad makeup, comm drama?

Fucking summer is making me ree at the absolute stupidity of newfags.

>>9922331
Not to mention lolita confessions which is almost always filled with excessive salt

>>9922331
Is this a copypasta?

>>9922331
The default accusation of newfag feels really funny when I'm not the one dishing it out for a change.

>>9922318
>>9922325
>>9922327
Oh no I love the salt, I just think the salt being kept to shitty coords and comm drama is best. It feels stupid and petty to focus on stuff like someone's features. This has been discussed here to death, honestly. Like other anon said
>ita threads
>bad cosplay
>bad makeup
>comm drama
None of those are singling out people for something they can't control. It's all honesty and salt.

I think it's funny that having this irritation meansI think we should be "handholdy" but I guess the bar is pretty low.

>>9922331
Oh boy, look who it is. It's the same bitch who was shitting up the feels thread earlier. No one cares how long you've been around, you absolute autist. Contain your nerd rage. It's boring and irrelevant.

>>9922343
>none of those are singling people out for something they can't control

You are confirmed new if you've never seen that happen in any of those threads.

>>9922346
Cry more

>>9922348
Funnily enough, I never mentioned never seeing it happen. It happens here all the time. It's literally happening in the ig thread about some girl's teeth. It's just annoying.

>>9922331
>This is fucking 4chan

>>9922355
Then why did you say none of those threads do that? What kind of retardation is that?

>>9922297
>>9922296
You know what people with a vendetta do? Pretend they are that person to start an argument

>>9922359
So you're saying
>>9922181
Is trying to start an argument?

>>9922358
Sorry if my sentence was hard for you to read, but I meant that the threads are not, say,
>bad teeth threads
>fugly face threads
Ostensibly they're just to salt about people looking for buttpats and attention for their crappy coords and makeup and so on.

>>9922355
Don't bother, that anon can't read. I'm guessing their rage has burned away what few brain cells they had.

>>9922363
How about you learn how to phrase things instead of writing something that directly conflicts what you are trying to portray? Why are you even going on about this straw man argument anyway? Nobody said those threads are specifically to shit on people's faces, just that it's common for that to happen in them.

>>9922364
How can't I read?

>>9922363
Is the one who can't read

>>9922361
I'm saying you have no proof that the person in the picture is the same person who commented saying it's them. Same thing has happened in the ita and CoF threads before.

>>9922365
I never said that either, anon. I said the behavior, when it happens in any thread, is annoying.

>>9922365
OK anon.

>>9922367
You said they aren't for that in response to someone who wasn't saying they were for that as if to contradict them. If you weren't completely retarded, you'd see how that implies that the other person IS saying that they are for that.

>>9922371
I love when people don't have an actual response and have to default to a reaction image. It really backs up my point.

>>9922375

>>9922372
I feel like you have some logic circuits crossed, or you think a post that's not by me is by me.

>>9921391
Dude same. I kind of want to see Lil Mama wear these.

>>9922380
I honestly don't give a fuck, the huge influx of newfags has me fed up and you're all a bunch of insufferable cunts trying to paint /cgl/ as a safe space when it never has been

>>9922381
Hell yeah, maybe she can coord them with her AP

>>9922386

>>9922386
Being annoyed with a specific behavior doesn't mean I want /cgl/ to be any kind of "safe space." Anyway it looks like some brave souls are getting the thread back on topic so I'll leave it be.

>>9922390
Can I ask you, what exactly is your goal just responding to me with reaction images? What impact is it supposed to have?

>>9922391
Then why are you bawwing so hard about it?

>>9922318
>>9922325
>>9922327
>>9922371
>>9922379
>>9922390
epic vintage /cgl/ memes :-D you’re such a salty seagull oldfag (get it?? a salty seagull :D)

>>9922393
Sorry if I gave you the impression I'm bawwing, but it's genuinely just an irritation that I had hoped to express to you in a way that would make you more amenable to talking about it. If you don't feel like it, that is fine. Have a lovely day anon, enjoy your salt and frills.

>>9922395
Those aren't even all the same person newfag

>>9922397
Learn to properly portray your issue then you fucking mong

>>9922400
Take your BPD pills you walnut.

>>9922392

>>9922401
>>9922402

Stop projecting

>take a shower
>60 new replies

y-you guys were just talking about dresses while I was gone right?

>>9922411
Yes, read through it all.

So, uh. Anyone getting the new Meta lps or special sets?

>ITT
KEK you sound like you’re a projecting salty fatty-chan. Go REEEE outside and clean your sandy vagina. I hate newfags like you. You are seriously autistic and should kys. This is /cgl/ and not your tumblr safe space, bitch. We have ita threads and roast N00Bie ageplayers (sweet lolitas) daily. Newfriends are cringe and this is the home of salty, mean, bloodthirsty seagulls. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>someone is selling their entire lolita wardrobe on LM right now
>like, selling it all in one listing

topkek I hope it ends in a bidding war.

>>9922417
If you read it, they're selling individual pieces and were too lazy to list the items separately. I reported it bc 0 feedback and doing that is sketchy as hell.

>>9922417
Who? I need to see this

>>9922419
Aww I wanted to see how this shit was gonna play out.

>>9922422
Just go to the front page ya dingus.

>>9922423
If it were the situation you thought it was, someone would just automatically BIN to sell the shit off

>>9922425
Oh, I read the description. That why I thought it would be funny if a bunch of people bid on the listing

>>9922431
Why would you think that would happen if you read the description...?

>>9922434
If I had the discretionary funds I'd BIN just for lulz and I don't even wear sweet.

Where is the best place to buy from classical puppets in the US?

>>9922503
Like a US based seller? I don't think there is one, unless you just want to patiently wait for something to pop up on LM.

I've ordered classical puppets stuff from Clobba Online before. It's a bit pricier than taobao but it's easy and convenient if that's what you're looking for.

>>9922413
I am! I want the OP on black

>>9922109

This is useful, thank you so much!

>>9922109
I own an OP from 2008 and it doesn't have pockets. It does have a side zip, though.

VM is re-releasing their Rococo Bouquet 2018 collection.
>https://twitter.com/VM_press/status/1011106630757314560

>>9922757
don't give a shit just want solids t b h

>>9922757
Are they just zeroing out remaining materials or something? I'm having a really hard time accepting that lazy afternoon was a top pick in the survey, and this was just delivered in the last month or two from the previous reservation.

I just want rose lace ribbon in multiple colors already, ffs.

>>9922757
Those fugly cuts again?

Nobody wears skirts or underbust dresses anymore. I want my basic jsk and short sleeve OP cuts back!

>>9922835
I think the bustle skirt is great and I actually own the shorter version from 2015. But then they made the waist of this release 65cm, smaller than back then (66cm)? I don't understand why they would do this when even Japanese lolitas had some trouble fitting into the previous release.

Gotta agree with the cuts though. Maybe I just have shit taste, but I like Lazy Afternoon and was prepared to throw money at them before they just went ahead and let me down with their cuts and design choices.

>>9922835
I begged them to re-release skirts

>>9922856
I think it might be the same size but they changed the number in the measurements so people don't have trouble with it?

>>9922880
You might be right there. I measured mine and it was about 62-63cm. Could be an anomaly, though.

>>9922856
>>9922879
Good for you, but I doubt that the majority of us wants skirts and I don't really get why they have to release the same cuts again when many people just want a simple dress cut that is good for summer and that you can wear with a bolero/jacket on top.

Girls like this remind me of that creep who bought from Milkyfawn just to resell it as "bought from Milkyfawn!!" . Also she's trying to sell pic related too

>>9922897
my bad, dropped it

>>9922899
(forgot to say she's trying to sell that ugly ass apple brooch for 5$)

>>9922894
To be fair, they also released these cuts, though I think it was in-store reservation or something.

>>9920915
AP fan here,too! I love sweet,but I also love the solid gothic dresses(I blame Victoria Frances illustrations for making me want to look like a gothic vampire princess instead of a magical girl every once in a while) . Try looking for other brands that also make high quality solids! Two faves of mine are AtePie and Miho Matsuda

>>9922894
So do you think they just completely disregarded the survey results?

>>9921766
How do you manage to fuck up this badly
Girl you still have no idea what you're doing, also how does your site take that long to load with an empty db

>>9921766
Good job registering your domain anonymously.

>>9923056
I think it's pretty promising actually tho I agree on the loading time, what are you saying is so bad in the screen cap?

>>9922024
>>9922022
What? No, just search the egl archives. There are otome kei discussion posts that go back to 2008 and before that.

>>9923056
What are you referring to exactly?
The load time is an issue with different browsers.

>>9923082
>>9923089
So I had about 10s load time on an app-local browser, not worst case but you do need some sort of cross-browser compatibility
I'm talking about the radio-button selector for gender, which like why do you need to know that anyway

>>9923096
isn't that pretty standard information to have on a profile? Whats wrong with it?

>>9923103
1. It is but should it be? Esp since EGL is such a transphobic community...
2. There's more than 2 ways to specify your gender anyway and this is deliberately exclusionary to gnc people

>>9923105
Thanks for the laugh anon

>>9923096
Sorry, the gender is default with the os software I'm using.
I'm trying to avoid investing a ton of time and money into this before I know people will actually use it. The community seems to want something absolutely perfect for free, which isn't going to happen.

>>9923105

>>9923105
so what you meant by 'how did you fuck up this badly, you have no idea what you are doing' is 'I'd like another option for gender, please' ?

>>9923109
not everyone is expecting something faultless for free don't worry, thank you for your time! I tried registering and I haven't gotten a confirmation email yet, I might just have to wait more, or it might be because my email domain is russian idk

>>9923113
I meant what I said

>>9923114
Check your junk mail, I resent mine a few times before I thought to look there and thats where they were

>>9923114
Oh it might be on your junk mail, I've been having issues with that. I need to look into it...

>>9923109
I don't think anyone expects anything perfect for free, but they'd appreciate a little effort in fixing the things that make other platforms inviable. If you're going to make something bespoke for a particular community, you might as well make it correctly. Otherwise we can just keep using Facebook...

>>9923118
>>9923119
i've been checking there too, I'll give it a while longer.

>>9923121
I understand, I'm doing my best anon.

>>9923125
It might be your email server blocking it then, it should appear quite quickly. Sorry about that anon, if you email the sysadmin email, I can try and help you sort it out.

>>9923109
Please keep the gender/sex thing, the userbase quality will only benefit by scaring off genderfucks.

>>9923085
Egl livejournal is still older than that and before we were on livejournal we were on a forum for a few years

>>9923105
Lmao egl is transphobic? Maybe you should take a break from cgl every once in a while

>>9923130
not to worry, I got them all in my spam in one bunch lol. It took like half an hour. My only feedback would be to make the default profile pictures something cute like pic related
it looks promising, I'll keep my eye on the website!

>>9923145
I like that idea anon! Though I'm no artist. Are those images license free/cc license? I'll see if I can find something.

>>9923156
i just whipped them up in photoshop, feel free to use them.

>>9923134
KYS, TIA

>>9923178
maybe the reason people dislike you is not because you're trans, but because you have a terrible personality

>>9923135
i think most of the information about otome comes from a post tsu_ made in 2008 to lolita_indies. it was also called ojousama-kei for a hot second. even in the comments of that post people say that japanese lolitas dont care about these specific substyle names that much.

https://lolita-indies.livejournal.com/3166.html

>>9923105
I'm trans MtF and never had any issue except maybe one or two girls bitching behind my back when they learned it. Whiny bitched like you give us a bad rep, chill out.

>>9923105
Also there are two genders, fuck off snowflake.

In any case, anyone ITT going to the AP TP in Paris? How is it? I always wanted to go there

>>9923160
Thanks anon, I really appreciate it!

>>9923082
>>9923103
Gender flakes... They will go to town on this.

>>9923109
Honestly I would suggest just adding a third "other" option just so you don't have to worry about angry SJW trolls like >>9923105 shutting down a good project before it even gets off the ground. It's just not worth the headache sadly. Think of it as one of those "contents of cup might be hot" liability type things.

>>9923256
I’d be down with adding an “other” option if it also gave us the ability to auto-mute anyone who selected this option for themselves.

>>9922757
Do any gulls own this style of OP cut from VM and could say or guess what the max bust for it is? I actually really adore this cut but my bust is 86 and it says 87... I don't own a huge amnount of VM, just an underbust JSK and a skirt and while I fit the JSK it's a snug fit where if I was any bigger it would be too tight. Lolibrary says the JSK I own is 89/67 for instance so I know that since my waist is 66 and it fits that it can be close and still work unlike some experiences I've had with IW.

So glad Sheglit still releases skirts

>>9923207
It's kind of weird that all grew from something tsu_ said, if it was someone with a less impressive wardrobe/reputation I'm sure it wouldn't have happened. Even way before then, Takemoto Novala referred to lolitas as otome sometimes. It was just a trendy word at that time if you ask me.

>>9923216
you need to learn the difference between gender and sex

>>9923407
Well otome just means maiden, lolita is pretty maidenly. It's a common word in jap

>>9923408
Two genders, two sexes, two scoops, two terms

>>9923417
go back to school sweaty

>>9923417
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

>>9923103
you could just change it to sex instead of gender so people can only choose male, female or intersex and can't complain about it

>>9923429
>>9923056
It says neither though.

>>9923145
These are amazing.

>>9921766
My only criticism so far is that "First" / "Last" / "Username" should be explained to the user. Somewhere it should say which will be displayed to the public and which will be used to log-in. Maybe I'm naive, but I thought the username would be the thing displayed to others, not the first/last name (which I thankfully didn't input as real).

>>9923056
I'm sick of placing so much importance in gender. M/F is completely sufficient.

>>9922835
Why is it people don't want skirts? Too poorfaggy?
Not trying to pick on you I just think it's kind of sad skirts aren't in favor

>>9923408
No thanks, ive spent way too much time reading dumb articles about the difference. Which seems to be that sex is real and gender is some made up ever changing undefinable quality which means it's essentially useless.

>>9922757

Oh yay I can get their long bustle skirts.

>>9922835
I mean I get your frustration but damn these cuts are far from 'fugly.' I'd call them basic and the OP cut is definitely out there for them, but they are very much in line with the classic lolita aesthetic.

>>9922856
I was the opposite actually - loved the cuts, wish they were solids or some florals instead.

>>9922930
Fuck what I would have given for the second in the middle

>>9923006
Unfortunately the later in the year we go, the more it seems like it. I just want puff sleeve doll in burgundy and pink mang.

>>9923105
Honey I can't tell if this is bait but you gotta ignore CGLs transphobia and talk to the trans lolita comm it's completely different and much more open to gender ideas. Cgl is literally bait galore for enby people
T. An enby on cgl

>>9923408
Intersex doesn't exist but gender snowflake does? Wew lass. I personally think the site is cool and look forward to having a lolita community

>>9923570
>T. An enby on cgl
Embarrassing

>>9923570

You should probably fuck off to your own safe space before you get triggered then.

>>9923570
>enby
How does it feel to be retarded?
As someone supportive of (actual,not snowflakes) transpeople, i fear that this group is a huge hugbox who won't actually help them but just go "uwu ur perfect do whatever!!"

>>9923570
So what do you put as your gender in Facebook

Have any gulls ordered Lumiebre parasol/umbrellas before? Looking for a cute parasol/umbrella with UV protection if anyone has some recommendations! Wanted to ask about Lumiebre first since they can get pretty pricey but they're all so pretty

>>9923474
Why are you all okay with giving so much info to Facebook but not this?

>>9923566
So you agree there's a big difference between sex and gender

>>9923574
What are you replying to

>>9923617
I asked about brand parasols a while back and a lot of people recommended this brand over baby. I have a baby parasol and it's okay, but kinda flimsy feeling and it gets really windy here, so I'm afraid it'll get bent/broken. sorry I can't help you with this brand though, but I'm curious as well!

>>9923617
I own two Lumiebre parasols, though to be fair I only use one regularly; it's wonderful quality though, I love it. I've wanted one from their Bonbon collection for a while but I've yet to come up with an excuse to get it, lol.
Definitely recommended!
Just pay attention to the size listed, not all parasols are the same size and the smaller ones aren't so comfortable to use if you're actually looking for sun protection. And keep in mind that lighter colors might not be completely accurate to the pics: The other parasol I have was supposed to be sax but it turned out to be a sort of "antique sax" color, if that makes sense. Black parasols are fine though.

>>9923640

nayrt, but it's counterintuitive in more ways than one. Why chose a username and then never use it? If a site allows choosing a username I'd assume they were going to use it to display for everything, if they just needed an identifier for signing in and were using real names then just make people sign in with their email instead of having to remember some made-up name they only ever use to sign in and then has no other use.

As for facebook, the lack of privacy and the way they're just asking for more and more personal data on you is exactly their biggest negative right now. Out of everything else, I don't think this is something you should be trying to emulate. At the very least, offering a platform where people can be private is a good selling point to draw people away from facebook.

>>9923105
Old sissy phobic is not the same as transphobic. Personally I'm Stefonkee phobic. Autopedophiles btfo.

>>9923836
This.
This so fucking much.
Those are fucking creeps, not actual transgenders.
If you are a sissy or a fakeboi you better believe i will.call you out

>>9923702
I understand what you mean anon. I'll change it to make it more evident that names are public facing and not meant to be real names. Having a username does add security, that will not change. However I do want to eliminate the last name element, but because I'm using os software, it's pretty well integrated into everything meaning it's a large change that I'm trying to avoid right now. That is why it's so similar to fb in the first place. If this site is a viable option for people though, I'll definitely work on changes like this.

>>9921009
Damn they really went all out on this. But yeah, >>9921330 is right. I've been to an official Baby tea party in Japan and it was at a fancy hotel with a big room and stage and all that. But they didn't have any crazy revolving dress set pieces like that, the quality is insane for the picture spots in this AP video. TFW you will never experience a Shanghai-level tea party.

>>9923963
I've seen pics of a btssb Sendai tea-party and they did have the dress set

nun lolita anyone?

>>9924007
>not knowing Nameless Poem
Anon, qt, either lurk more or word your posts better so we know whether you're saying this is supposedly new (it isn't) or whether there's another rerelease (likely no one cares).
NP is nice but there are much nicer nun-inspired pieces out there.

>>9922899
This is creepy as fuck.

>>9920915
>less detailed than the dresses from AP or Baby
Use their declining quality as motivation. MmM doesn't have the quality problems these brands have had lately. Less detail but better quality seems like a good choice to me.

>>9921051
>>9921307
Baby has had quality problems too, although less extreme than BTSSB. They also have some dresses made in China, later even cheaper countries.

Again problems are less extreme than AP, but they still have had multiple quality issues hidden between OTT dress designs and busy prints.

It's also that some people still act like JPN brand is superior in quality, and often take AP and BTSSB as example. But compared to many Japanese indie brand, they are lower in quality for the same price, and many TaoBao are as good as BTSSB and AP. It's kinda an extreme reaction on another extreme claim. Both are often exaggerated versions.

Also, popular brands will be named more often in both positive and negative light. So you'll get more hate, but also more love.

>>9921385
Honestly agree. I highly dislike twin pigtails. Beside a few outfits, they always looks bad.

>>9921531
There are much more inspiration than childhood, enough to make outfits that aren't inspired by it at all. Inspiration also means you don't need to copy everything related to it. Twin pigtails still make you look like you try too hard to be 7 again most of the time, and it looks ridiculous unless you have an extremely childlike cute look already. Most people don't.

>>9922005
Try reading these two Japanese blogposts. It really depends who you ask. With these rules, it would be "ita lolita" unless they count it as "unless you make it look good" which is often the exception on these things making you ita.

Basically it's considered lolita, because it's considered by the writer as that. Some Japanese will say it's "ita lolita" (and some might take pride in wearing "ita lolita" and think fuck it I wear what I want), others will think it's totally cute and cool.

Anyways, as long as we allow Bodyline and don't call you an ita for wearing IW Rosen Maiden sets or not having a winter coat, I don't think Westeners are that tight on rules compared to Japanese. Beside, I honestly think that even within the rules there is a lot of freedom.

Also, words as casual lolita, daily lolita, etc. are words with no real meaning. it's basically just "an outfit I wear on a random day without an event". What is daily wearble depends on who you ask, just as how far you can go with casualising it while keeping it lolita.

http://classical-alice.com/2017/09/16/%E7%97%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%81%A8%E3%81%AF%E5%91%BC%E3%81%B0%E3%81%9B%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%EF%BC%81-%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%82%A3%E3%82%BF%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%83%83%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E5%88%9D/

https://ameblo.jp/the-magnificent-waste/entry-11443753961.html

>>9924041
>many TaoBao are as good as BTSSB and AP
Which ones? Genuine question, not trying to be snarky. I agree that Baby in particular has been kind of disappointing quality and construction-wise compared to some of the other Japanese brands at the same price point, but they’re still head and shoulders above all the pieces I’ve bought from Taobao brands. One thing I’ve always loved about Baby in particular is their (non-chiffon) fabrics and their lace, both of which I’ve been disappointed in with Taobao brands like Dear Celine and SurfaceSpell. Baby’s construction is also better but by a smaller margin.

If it was just the lace I could probably deal with it but getting a dress made of cheaply surface-printed flimsy fabric that is obviously not going to age well is such a shitty feeling, and I’ve had buyers remorse pretty much every time I ordered from Taobao. If there are Chinese brands out there truly on par with Baby and AP I’d really love to know about them.

>>9922835
I like skirts and underbust dresses...
They are worn. Less often than dresses, but they are worn.

>>9923056
Because people either are XY or XX. Just choose if you have a dick or vagina, and be done with all this SJW bullshit.

>>9924062
I think baby has such nice lace

>>9924067
Im pretty sure once you're in the site it doesn't even display anywhere what you selected for that or for your birthday, at least what I could find. so kind of a non-issue anyway but I doubt that anon bothered to look.

>>9924056
>words with no real meaning
When I started out with lolita, casual lolita was considered a substyle with "rules"

>>9923186
This. I don't give a fuck what gender you want to call yourself, what your race is, or whatever. But people who act all butthurt that they aren't threaded special because of things like race or sexuality/gender/whatever really get on my nerves. Equality is not "others tread me bad so you need to drop everything to make me feel better and take me into account for everything". Equality is "I tread you like everyone else and if I don't like you I won't be nice. And if I think you talk bullshit I will call you out or simply ignore it. And if you play victim role I most likely won't like you. This counts no matter your race, gender, sexuality, or whatever groups are asking for special treatment".

>>9923408
>synonyms idiots started to try to make a separate thing to convince others of their bullshit.

There is you teaching in the difference.

>>9924046
Maybe you don't like it when someone looks childish or has a childish hairstyle, but there are many girls who became interested in lolita because they love that

>>9923574
Only intersex is people born with both or neither sexual organs, which happens and is rare, and often one isn't working and get's removed as baby. Rare but possible, just like having some parts of your body XX and others XY is rare but possible, and might cause you being trans if it's between brain and sexual bodyparts. But it's rare and doesn't explain the number of "trans" people. The only thing that does is them wanting attention and humanity pushing trans on girls acting manly or man acting feminine.

>>9923617
>>9923646
I own a BTSSB parasol (for rainy and sunny). It feels flimsy, but it survived even the strongest sea wind and storm here. It's more sturdy than it feels.

>>9924076
But that's the problem. Everyone has different rules. I've heard it used as substyle, I heard it as general term. No one can agree, and there is no set definition that is the same everywhere. There was a casual lolita tread a while back, and people kept arguing if thing where casual lolita, or just full on coords, or if they where no lolita. There wasn't a definitive answer everyone could be pleased with.

Casual is just what a person considers casual.

>>9924083
none of this matters in Lolita though? either you look good or you don't, who cares about the other stuff. Its obviously easier for people with feminine features but otherwise who cares. Clicking a m/f radio button shouldn't be a big deal good grief

>>9924088
The ones who use it as a general term started wearing lolita later, are using it as an excuse for a coord they don't feel confident about, or just want to use as many tags as possible

>>9924062
Which Surface Spell dresses did you try? Ichigo (Surface Spell Classic, only pre-order generally) ones are nice, Chasca (Surface Spell Gothic) I have yet to recieve. I heared she good paterns, but I'm not always sure about her fabrics choosen. Ichigo ones are quite limited tho, and people even buy them just to sell in a bundle with stuff they can't get rid of because they are wanted.

Wolfy (Amastacia) has nice quality as well.

Generally, you want brands there where around before lolita got popular in China. Many new brands are only busy with nice prints and not quality, and/or use it as fast fashion.

>>9924062
Also, I wear gothic so I don't pay too much attention to sweet and classic brands unless they have black colourways, so excuse my lack of examples from them.

Amastacia pattern isn't perfect, but it's quite decent.

>>9924090
I agree. It was more a comment against all this "OMG we need other options too". Most people who have these kind of issues still go as woman or man anyways. Just click what you feel applies to you. Done.

>>9924092
Wasn't surface spell a cosplay shop before lolita got popular?

>>9924091
No. Actually, the Japanese use it as general term and people in the west took it over and suddenly decided it was a substyle with rules, but as they decided this somehow, the "rules" wheren't clear or the same for everyone, because there originally where none when the Japanese used this term firstly and still use it as general term for casually worn lolita.

>>9924096
No not really. Chasca and Ichigo where into lolita and historical European clothes already. They also make historical inspired gowns and gothic dresses tho, not only lolita.

>>9924098
We're obviously talking about the Western comm

>>9924076
When I started out with lolita, shiro, kuro, pinku and ao lolita were listed as separate substyles on English sites. The Western comm has always been weirdly obsessed with labelling everything and making up strict rules for things.

>>9924098
I agree with this. Casual lolita is lolita worn casually, no matter if someone is wearing a skirt and cutsew or a jsk and cardigan or an OP.

>>9924102
But western comm keeps using Japanese terms in translations, then get's mad at it's use, or others get confused.

When the Japanese make a term, and a few Westerners suddenly decide it has rules without others agreeing, it doesn't become a substyle with rules. That's just not how things work. Else I could now grab a general term and make rules, and get mad at everyone who uses it differently. At least the majority of the Western comm would have to agree to the same rules. That never happened. That's why it has no real rules or meaning.

>>9924103
I agree. I can't see shiro or kuro as styles, they are colourschemes. It literally comes from white and black. Things like sailor and pirate lolita same. It's a theme, not a fucking style.

>>9924105
Little side note. I do think words can change between international communities. Similarly how hentai just means pervert, but western people use it for Japanese animated porn. The big thing is that everyone has to agree what the meaning/rule is. Casual lolita never had a clear meaning or rule that was universally understood in Western comm in general. Just a few people dictating what they think it should be, and getting mad at people who don't agree.

>>9924105
If pirate isn't a substyle sweet isn't either Imo.

>>9924135
It is tho? Sweet is defined by many things. It can have many themes, many colours, many shapes.

Pirate is always about a pirate outfit, and can be done in sweet as well as in gothic as well as classic style. It's a theme. Just like sailor.

>>9924135
That's like saying "LOTR themed outfit" is a substyle. And "MLP themed outfit" is a substyle. Oh and galaxy theme is now a substyle. And those Usakumya drawings? Yeah, mascot lolita is defiantly a substyle!

>>9924141
>>9924139
So the only true substyles are gothic, classic and guro? It's actuality the Japanese that say there are dozens of substyles.

>>9924139
You can do that with sweet to

>>9924105
The only place I've ever heard about "lolita themes" instead of substyles is cgl. Maybe because my comm sucks at English or because it's another unnecessary label.. When you style your coord a certain way doesn't that mean it's that substyle? Why do you guys want to make it more complicated than that?

>>9924145
Gothic, Classic, Sweet, and anything that could be traced to not be based upon those 3. For example, if you use traditional clothes as inspiration like hanfu or kimono, I do consider that different as classic is very heavenly European historic influenced.

Also, which Japanese do? Because I only have sources on Japanese naming those 3 as styles. Otherwise, I only her them describe an outfit itself in a sentence long, using style more general as "it is styled in a way inspired by this" instead of "this is a substyle of a fashion". In fact there are video's about lolita talking about the 3 main lolita styles "Sweet, classic and gothic".

>>9924147
Gothic coord with a main piece made by a primary sweet brand =/= sweet lolita. Some items can change style depending on coord.

One of the video's mentioned above Misako shows this by changing items in a coord changing it between sweet and classic, explaining how a main piece can be used in multiple styles.

>>9924151
Got it from RC originally, and RC: Uncensored (unrelevant, but what happened to that group being so dead lately), general lolita blogs both Japanese and English, video's, and more places. I think you need to get out of your comm.

>>9924152
Misako said so, can't give you other sources because they're people who I met

>>9924152
>When you style your coord a certain way doesn't that mean it's that substyle?
Not really. Lolita to become a substyle, it kinda has to be loose from other styles. It defines a part of fashion on it's own like a style (like lolita) does. There are more than one thing that makes it a style. Sweet can be pink pastel stuff. Sweet can also be more toned down and not have pastels at all.

Themes are just that. A theme you make a dress around. It doesn't create an entire new part of the fashion or define it (which a substyle does).

>>9924155
Misako also said there where 3 styles, classic, gothic and sweet lol. Misako is fucking inconsistent. Beside literal visible things to show (this looks like this when mixed with that), and looking cute, she's not the most relaibale source, nor does she define things.

>Misako said so
>Have no other sources that I can proof
>Misako also unsaid so
>so it's true even when Japans blogs, videos and magazines talk about 3 styles.
I had hoped on beter sources to be honest. I don't mind being proven wrong, but it has to actually come over as if your sources are relaible. Not changing my mind for this when I can read Japanese myself and found the opposite of your argument.

>>9924156
Sorry, comment was meant to >>9924151 not to >>9924152

>>9924158
Then why did you bring up Misako?
https://youtu.be/tEvLlJI2la4 skip to 1:48

>>9924161
I only said Misako showed a coord, changed items for different ones keeping only main piece to make it another style. It's a visible thing anyone could see and I never seen argue about. Not a "OMG Misako said so so it must be true".

Just because I refer to one video in which Misako is the one moving items doesn't make her my whole argument. The Japanese blogs and articles I read are still against you, as well as other non-Misako video's.

>>9924158
No offence but you can easily find Japanese sources to fit both opinions, if you only found pages that support yours, you must've used biased search terms

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>>9924158
Did she say those are the ONLY substyles or was she just giving basic info?

>>9922313
lol it's so weird seeing actual feminiggers on 4chan

>>9923676
Thank you! I really want one now lol. I'm guessing CDJapan is the best place to order from?

>>9924076
newfag

>>9921003
I do think you can tell from pictures; VM really caught my eye even before I got into lolita because it was so clear to see how well the pieces were constructed, compared to AP. Most of the new AP and BTSSB stuff looks fucking amateurish in comparison.