/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

People with male bodies usually look really bad in lolita and other cute Jfashions. The only ones I’ve ever seen pull it off are slim Asian guys.

>>9933779
sadly OP I think this anon is probably right. that being said, if you have the budget to try it out, I think you should go for it anyway. just make sure to do your homework very diligently before spending your money. there is a lot of info out there on how to pick clothes that flatter your figure, and that info goes just as much for jfashion as it does for other fashion. however, because most of the clothes are designed for slender feminine figures, you may have trouble finding clothes that are both flattering and jfash-compatible.

best case scenario - you end up finding some cute jfash looks. worst case scenario - you're out some money but at least you can say you gave it your best shot. you'll also have a much better idea of what does and doesn't work for you, and that'll save you money and headaches down the line when dressing yourself.

I wish you all the best OP.

we have two brolitas in our comm....they both are on the slender but tall side.....they are very picky with dress types/structures/patterns/colors in order to make their bodies appear more appropriate for the fashion...one actually uses waist pieces to clinch their waist into shape....they both are make-up gurus so they use that to help give themselves more gentle facial features.

>>9933800
Even with HRT's effects, you think my chances are low? In 3 months, I've already gotten noticeably curvier, and I wouldn't mind straying from the higher femme side for the sake of looking fashionably aware.

What about things such as pic related? I feel like it hides one's figure enough that it is possible... but I would like more opinions before I drop the money into it. It could possibly look frumpy...

It is just so hard for me to visualize it in my head.

My instinct tells me lolita will be off limits, but I can live with that. I just want to feel better in my own clothes and wear things that I actually like.

>>9933801
Can you tell they're more masculine still?

Shapewear, I feel, will be a big part of my life forever.

>>9933800 #
Even with HRT's effects, you think my chances are low? In 3 months, I've already gotten noticeably curvier, and I wouldn't mind straying from the higher femme side for the sake of looking fashionably aware.

What about things such as pic related? I feel like it hides one's figure enough that it is possible... but I would like more opinions before I drop the money into it. It could possibly look frumpy...

It is just so hard for me to visualize it in my head.

My instinct tells me lolita will be off limits, but I can live with that. I just want to feel better in my own clothes and wear things that I actually like.

>>9933801 #
Can you tell they're more masculine still?

Shapewear, I feel, will be a big part of my life forever.

>>9933825
It's going to depend on how broad your shoulders are

Also you'll pretty much be limited to custom items. I'm 5'8 and cis, I already have trouble sometimes with things being too short.

Coming to 4chan for support as a trans person is probably not the smartest thing you've ever done, even less so because you decided to forgo lurking and make a new thread all for yourself instead of posting in an existing thread.
I will say that the pic you posted isn't lolita so you're already in the wrong direction. Please just lurk more.

>>9933830
They're not that broad. Moreso than a cisgirl of course but it's not the worst. Am laying in bed and not going to measure now.

Pretty much no matter what I do I'll need at least some custom fit clothing. My shoe size is enormous. Feels bad.

>>9933835
You're right, and I'm sorry. It was just one of those hasty, on-a-whim-because-I'm-crying decisions. Maybe if a mod stops by they can delete my thread.

>>9933773
Do you seriously think the smol cute look will work for you if you're build like a grizzly bear? Get a therapist, and not the tumblr kind.

>>9933836
If in doubt, just post lolita related questions in the lolita general. If it's more suited to another thread you'll most likely be directed there.
Having said that, I do have some advice:
1. I'm not trans so maybe I'm talking out my ass here, but I suggest waiting to see the effects of the transition on your body before you jump into lolita. Have you tried wearing dresses already? Start with normie ones first and see how your measurements change before you drop hundreds of dollars on niche Japanese fashion that might not even fit you properly.
2. Look at guides for tall lolitas. This one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHMpXGg8-HI features a brolita who's taller than you and is known for dressing fantastically so it's entirely possible, you'll just have to do your research.

>>9933846
Thanks for spoonfeeding me, I will take your words into consideration and check out your advised guides, but I think it's better to simply let my thread die at this point.

>>9933773
>6ft tall
automatic fail, you have a 0% chance of even getting a remotely ambiguous bone structure at that height even ignoring being a giant

>>9933852
Yeah, I agree with the other anon with waiting

you really don't want to buy a bunch of pricey/unique clothing that's going to fit/not fit you you differently in 10 months

>>9933773
Your facial structure largely determines whether you cab pull off cute or not IMO. So check back here with a selfie in the trap thread in half a year or so. Lurk and learn in the meanwhile.

>>9933773
I definitely agree with everyone else on that you need to lurk a bit more before jumping right in.

You probably won't suit super cutesy J-fashions but you might be able to pull off something a bit more elegant like gothic or classic lolita.

Hormones wont get rid of your man hands and adams apple. Trannies dont belong in lolita, point blank. You make the fashion look like a fetish

I don't think you could physically even fit into most jfashion, let alone ever actively look good. With brolitas, the only ones I've ever seen who actually pull it off are those who already have feminine builds.

Being 6' tall alone means everything will be way too short and seem fetishy, never mind things like shoulder measurements. The clothes are overwhelmingly designed for slim girls between 5'0'' and 5'4'' max, so it's best you find something else.

Are you planning on getting things custom made? Because I think the biggest problem is really about people wearing things they don't fit in..

Coming from another trans person, just give it time. I would do my research and let your hormones kick in before making a big jump. There's a reason it's known as second puberty, and everything will change so wait it out until you know you can invest in clothing that will properly fit you.

As for everyone saying it's too short or blah blah blah, just custom order or use proper underskirts (don't just shoehorn one in, take the time to make sure it matches and will look good with the dress you pick). I agree you should try to wear classic or gothic if you want to avoid looking like a sissy (which is also whatever but I get not wanting to be associated) until your hormones settle in, your hair grows out, and if you choose to get surgery.

It'll be okay, don't let anyone get you down in the mean time. We all start somewhere, just take it slow and do your research. I'm sure you'll be fine darling <3

>>9933773
Please anon, only wear the fashion when you actually pass IF you actually pass in several months/a year or two.
Or else not only will it look terrible on you and make it obvious that you were born a dude, but it'll make it look like a fetish on top of making you look unhinged.
I have a biological girl friend who's 6" with a strong build (poor thing) and she can be cute but def not in lolita. Look around and find something else i would say. Avoid super cutesy pastel things

OP, if you (still) have bulky masculine features you may be fucked, at least for now.
It's possible to pull off more mature lolita looks (classic, gothic) even if you are tall or somewhat masculine but are skinny, because lolita is such a silhouette-focused fashion and it's extremely hard to achieve the correct silhouette if you're proportions are fucked.
I like this guy as an example
https://www.instagram.com/yuuki_kei912/
because he's pretty obviously a dude but he's a skinny twink and coordinates well enough that he still looks good IMO.
If you've started transitioning already then you're gonna change over the course of the next couple of years, your body fat will slowly re-distribute and you can alter it further with surgeries if you want.
I agree with other anons, don't rush into it, educate yourself and try things out, don't dive off the deep end because that's how you make mistakes and then you'll be remembered as just another sissy creep, and it'll take a long time to fix it.

You might not look feminine and pretty but if you love the clothes why not do it? Try out styles that YOU feel comfortable in and don't think of what other people think about you

i think it'd be possible if you worked with makeup that focused on the eyes and a hairstyle that softens your facial structure. the fact you're kind of chunky might help a little.
Mana goes for a more darker style, which also might be a good route for you to go since the coordinations have a bit more focus on contrast rather than softnesss.

If I as a girl can’t look pretty and feminine, you can’t. Sorry. Maybe try mori? For the bagginess and long face friendliness.

>a thread dies
>first words of new thread are “I’m trans”
Pottery.

The replies hurt, but I'd rather be told the truth instead of being blindly motivated by other people/places. It just sucks that I can't "be" me.

>>9934000
>mori
Maybe... Naturally, I'm going to have my doubts, because now I feel almost no hope that I'll ever be somewhat cute at all. It is difficult to say what it will feel like if a style theoretically works on me, because so far, all the male styles that flatter me just have made me feel worse. For mori, I'm afraid of looking frumpy

/erika_tsukinose on instagram is a Japanese man that’s been in lolita for like 20+ years. He doesn’t really look girly, but shows you can do what you love to make yourself happy. I agree mori girl and layering would prob really suit you. I follow some males who wear himekaji on insta too but they are really thin.

>>9933852
>>9934007
I hope you are bait because if not you sound absolutely insufferable. Typical entitled MTF.

Also, plenty of real women can't wear what they want. Welcome to reality. Get over yourself.

>>9933825
Its a subtle masculinity, people usually take a double look at them before realizing they're male...the make-up helps reduce not eliminate the masculine features.

Due to their heights underskirts are a big must for them too.

The cute style can make you come off as an ageplayer if you don't pass as a woman yet. Gothic lolita would be your best bet.

>>9933773
yea tall chicks r hot Lol

>>9934014
This is a bad on a /andreanicolebaker on IG level.

>>9933773
At 6ft tall, you can wear lolita, but you need to find longer dress >100cm or underskirts. Check out Juliette et Justine prints for some inspo.

>>9934092
This.

Also why is is that mtfs are usually into cutesy pink styles that make them look like fetishists?

>>9933978
Yeah no, while I agree that his coords aren't the worst thing, the fact that he's still clearly a man means he inherently doesn't look good. Before anyone asks, the reason Mana is fine is that he does actually pass (with photoshop, can't say for real life since I've not met him).

>>9934319
Because they're actually fetishists. Also, a creepy fixation on a made up concept of girlhood that most women never even had to begin with.

>>9933773
No one fashion will make you pretty
It's all about making specific choices to accentuate features you have.
Look at casual david bowie from early in his career. He was straight up ugly. But he got a good haircut, used makeup, wore the right clothes, and bam, extremely hot.
You need to find out what features you need to hide, and find out if lolita allows for that.

Hormones won't change your bone structure. If you aren't pretty now, you probably won't be even after transition. I don't really understand why are you so fixated on lolita, pictures you posted are himekaji.
Also lurk more. You won't get special treatment just because you are trans. Some people won't bat an eye, but this community is not very forgiving.

>>9934007
Aristo and ouji look good on tall thins. Tall chunks don't look cute in anything and cute girlie clothes like liz lisa are super short on normal girls

>>9933773
I'm going to be brutally honest.

You're not a woman. You will never be a real woman. Furthermore, you're way too tall to pull off a clothing style that was specifically designed for petite asian girls. The way you say "kinda chunky" makes me think you're probably pushing obese, and that when the inevitable depression from your failure to transition adequately sets in you'll start binge eating again. That's not going to help your case.

If you're transitioning specifically because you want to feel cute and wear pretty frilly clothes, you done fucked up. You'd be better off going to therapy and learning to accept the things about yourself that you can't change.

Your height might make finding long-enough things for some jfash difficult, but generally, trans women have a way easier time toning some problem areas that us cis amerifats have trouble with (shapely legs, trim waist). Things that might be a problem, like face shape or shoulders, can be worked around with fashion.

Frankly with lolita your height will make a lot of things difficult to get the right silhouette but there are more and more options for big or custom made/adjustible pattern lolita pieces. Of course you should learn more about the fashion, there is literally no reason not too.

Honestly, lolita is one of very few jfashions that tall people can do. The sizing for many of the major brands is growing larger as well. Things like gyaru or himekaji or generic kawaii tend to be way shorter and way more restrictive in size.

>>9933773
do you go by the alias 'staiain' or whatever by any chance

>>9934768
Really? I'm not OP, but I always felt lolita is something meant for short, tiny girls. Someone being tall would make it seem out of place to me

In this thread people who totally know what they are talking about when it comes to trans people. Don't really get the stuff about people complaining about trannys have ugly faces, you don't have to browse COF very long to find cis women with bad faces, some bad enough people accuse them of being trans on here.
>>9934319
I don't know why trans women would try sweet, it most likely isn't going to work and will end up looking like age play or sissy shit or something. Classic is the way to go anyway if you don't want to look like an ageplayer.

>>9934810
Depends on what substyle you like, though sweet can be done if you're tall too. Many pieces can be adjusted to fit, and classic and gothic brands have longer cuts that are great for taller people without any adjustment or alternation. There are guides for taller lolitas for a reason.
Like anon said, other jfashion styles are a lot more limited in sizing and they don't have a specific look like lolita does, so dresses and skirts are usually much shorter and would look terrible on taller people.

>>9934815
>taking this shit so personally
No one would be discussing op's transness had they not made their own thread and opened it discussing their identity and openly admitting they didn't even bother to lurk. Not sure what sort of responses they were expecting when they openly admitted to doing shit gulls despise.
Also if you honestly think that trans women that don't pass look better than actual women, I have some news for you.

>>9933773
Buddy, if you have to ask... the answer is no.

>>9934830
>Also if you honestly think that trans women that don't pass look better than actual women, I have some news for you.
Where did I say that? Just saying there are plenty of ugly cis women too. Heck there are people who I can tell are trans that look better than some cis women not saying it's common just saying being trans doesn't mean you are uglier than 100% of cis women in the fashion.

>>9934007
>It sucks I can't "be" me
Oh, fuck off. I hate m2f so much. You just want to be a little anime girl to appease your fetishes and it's so transparent. I have so much more sympathy with women who have unfortunate facial structures who just want to look cute or don't have proper measurements always. At least they can try to adapt with makeup and body shapers and are realistic with their goals.

Start with losing weight and getting a slim figure, and practicing makeup especially contouring to achieve a more feminine shape. You could try looking at drag queen tutorials, of course by no means do anything as extreme but the makeup tricks they use to feminize their face could prove useful. Growing your hair out or getting a nice wig + body padding to achieve a more feminine figure also would help.

Lurk and study jfashion closely, find a style you like and want to commit to. Being tall can prove a problem but some styles have a decent catalogue of things you can get custom tailored. If you decide on lolita, taobao and brands that offer adjustable straps and long cuts will be your friend. In any jfashion, please pay attention to the quality and don't fall for cheap aliexpress and ebay shit & knockoffs - even with cis women a lot of times its associated with ageplay shit, and it just looks bad in general - as a trans woman you'll receive even harsher judgement over not dressing well and people might pin you as a sissy fetishist even if you're not.

I honestly don't think theres anything that can stop you from wearing jfashion and being cute. But you'll receive way harsher criticism & judgement from people over it so I'd either study really closely and ask for help in your first coords (dont ask to be spoonfed, nobody likes that - get your complete ideas double checked and such) I think you'll be fine if you dress well, do your makeup and hair well, and respect the fashion by committing to its aestethic and not cutting corners on it.

>>9933836
>>9933852
you know you can delete your own thread, right? sage for idiocy

firstly assuming you want to get the look of the girls in the pictures you might need to wait until your transition is wrapping up to work on getting skinny just to avoid putting too much strain on your body. What the other anons have added about height and makeup is good, i don't have anything to add on that. I say if these clothes make you feel pretty and you don't mind what some of the general public or 4chan think of you then go for it! even if you decide not to get into lolita i wish you luck in finding something that makes you feel good.

Lolita is a really bad call, but if you're slim and can git gud at makeup, long legs and a flat chest are a godsend for gyaru. My gf is 6'2 and trans and she's a legit 8/10, but she's been on anticistamines for two years- 3 months might be a bit early for this stuff unless you really lucked out facially.

>>9935069
Also as this thread is rapidly turning to shit, please feel free to add me on discord for tailored advice- It's Wib#4255

>>9935069
>trans
>8/10

>>9933773
Can I just point out that this is exactly the kind of male entitlement TERFS are talking about wrt to mtf 'women'?

Can any one of you here imagine going to one of the very male-dominated boards here on 4chan, announcing your gender, and then openly admitting that you're a clueless n00b and you want spoonfeeding and asspats about the hobby they've spent years and hundreds of dollars on?

The first part alone would get you sexually harassed. Possibly even rape/death threats, suicide baiting etc. Obviously you probably wouldn't take any of this seriously, but you'd still be made to feel very uncomfortable and very unwelcome.

And yet this guy does it here and he gets nothing but advice. Some of it isn't delivered in the nicest way, but it's all still answering his question. And no sexual comments in sight.

>>9935104
Who cares if you are mad she's getting help then why don't you do it? Lol

>>9935112
Wow what is sentence structure. Time for bed

Sage for stupidity

>>9935112
I'm just pointing out that a woman intruding on a male space like this would get a far more violent response.

Everyone here knows that a post like OP's would be a big no-no, so we wouldn't do it. So then why does OP feel confident enough to do it to us?

>"Hi I have the body of a tall, chubby man. Can I wear the most blatantly feminine alternative fashion on the face of the planet made for small Japanese girls and pass?"
Just... what?

>I'm trans (mtf) at 6' tall. On hormones for 3 months. Kinda chunky, but I've been losing weight due to finally going through with the transition.
>Do you think I could get into J-Fashion or Lolita fashion?
No. You're also a fetishist chasing the impossible goal of being the perfect animu waifu. Get out.

>>9935129
Because this is a fashion board with a lot of help threads? Get out lmao

>>9935158
Go to /o/, tell them you're a girl and that you love trucks but you never looked into them because you were sad that you couldn't pull them off. Then ask for spoonfeeding and asspats. Bonus points if your OP picture is actually of an SUV.

Then please tell us what their reaction was.

>>9935170
I'll fuckin do it kek

>>9935182
Screencaps please

>>9935185
>>>/o/19401691
Bitch youre welcome

Absolutely not and I think it's gross you came to a female-dominated board looking for ass-pats and validation for your stupid delusions, especially when there are already help threads. In what situation is it okay to come to a board on 4chan and post without lurking first?

If you want to see what you'll look like wearing it, check out our cringe and ita threads.

>>9935187
>emoticons
It's too obvious of a troll, anon. You foiled it.

>>9935190
Ungrateful brats the lot of you

>>9935187
Nah you definitely flopped it. It's too obviously a troll thread and it's not analogous to the original situation at all. 1/10 for effort.

That said, the fourth reply is basically calling you a faggot, so my original point still stands.

>>9935170
More like go to /tv/, tell them you're a girl and looking for good action movies to get into but it has to have good-looking male actors and a relatable female main character who's not only made for sex appeal while posting an image of Rey from The Force Awakens. Watch them scream and tell the roastie feminist shill to fuck off back to the kitchen.

> I'm just hoping for reassurance (genuine) that I should go for it
Well too bad, you shouldn't go for it unless you don't mind looking terrible.

>>9935104
>>9935188
>misogynistic pigs get off our feminist board!!
That's what you sound like right now.

>>9935202
Oh what the fuck are you going to do about it, go cry to /pol/ that the mean girls don't want a tranny shitting up their board?

I don't understand why some of you are even attempting to give advice. This is how you end up with comms full of sissies and itas.

>>9933773
no, you're disgusting and mentally ill

>>9933773
The honest, truthful answer is no. And if you ever try to join a comm, while a vocal minority may sing your praises, the rest of the comm will never truly accept you and see you as a fetishist. Some may never say it to anyone, some may say it only to their friends, and some will say it to your face. But you will always be a freaky outcast who they suspect of being in their comm to prey on them.

>>9935268
Summer is in full swing.

>>9935202
What would you prefer, that we baby him and tell him lies like the rest of the site would? A fat, 6ft person with the body of a grown man is never going to look good in clothing made for petite Asian women (assuming he even finds any that will fit him). Plenty of women who post here are subjected to criticism on their coords and body type or are told off for asking stupid questions that they could learn by lurking, why the fuck would a man get special treatment?

>>9935318
You're a mentally ill man with a fetish
Well I guess that's special treatment of a kind. Do you guys have some kind of mind reading power or something? Not sure why everyone gets labeled as having a fetish. Not saying there aren't people who have a fetish people like Andrea throw off red flags all over the place. Some miserable trans person in there 20 isn't trying to prey on you.

This is probably the worst place you could ask to be honest, but yes, you can! In my opinion lolita is actually a great way to express your gender because it is so feminine. Please don't think this site is indicative of the majority of lolitas because it's honestly not. I would just say to really study the fashion and be sure that you come up with good coords, because you're more likely to be accepted that way. It's okay if your early ones aren't perfect, it happens, it's trial and error. But if you really put the effort in that'll go a long way and most people will probably accept you. Genuine fetishists usually don't even know how to coord properly, usually because they don't care, so they're easy to spot, but if you avoid dressing like an ita you should be okay.

>>9935397
>>>/tumblr/

>>9935129
Because men are terrible, of course you'd get a violent response from men. Why would we want to act like them?

>>9935400

Nah, no one on Tumblr would actually tell you to put the effort into coording well, they'd just tell you uwu anything you want to wear is perfect uwu

>>9935408
>>>/tumblr/

Fuck off to your safe space or kys

>>9933773
Unlikely. like 5% chance you'll look okay let alone cute
sage for this dumb retarded spoonfeed thread

>>9934338
Plus, Mana is only 1,73m (5'8) and 49kg (108lbs). Being very tall might be unfortunate in lolita, but being "chunky" on top of that...

>>9935097
This. Most trannies can't get past a 5, I rarely seen ones that look like legit women. Even than I can notice the shoulders, mannerisms, neck, facial structure, etc.

Just because you cut your dick off and take hormones doesn't mean your a chick sorry to tell you. You shouldn't be cosplaying as a "woman" ever.

>>9935446
Honestly I think only Asian men/transwomen could ever look pretty/girly beyond just "passing"

>>9933773
>I'm trans (mtf) at 6' tall.
>Kinda chunky
>Do you think I could get into J-Fashion or Lolita fashion?

hahahahahahahahahahahaha no.

Look at the end of the day do what you want and don't let judgey people stop you. That said lurk more because pic related isn't Lolita. Put in effort to make decent coords and live your life.

>>9935482
this anon has good intentions, but you need to listen to judgy people and not wear any pink until you stop losing your shit over the first ~year of transition. middle school girls dress like they walked through hot topic in a tornado. you are not a middle schooler. you need to do better, because it only takes one cringy tranner for the rest of us to get shit on endlessly for it.

every woman has to deal with having clothing styles restricted by body types. once the second puberty wears off, try more classic, gothic, and elegant looks. if you really have to feel innocent and cute look into mori or country. even cis women struggle with not making sweet look cringy and gross unless they have a very specific body type.

>>9935447
>>9935097
Bit of a paradox there. If some do look like legit women, how would you know they're trans? It's just that the ones who don't perfectly pass are the only ones you notice so you get this idea that most or all can't pass. But you've probably seen more of them than you think and didn't realize.

Only advice OP really needs is before getting into any kind of fashion go follow all the usual advice about getting/staying in shape and be patient as hormones slowly do their work. It'll take a while, probably multiple years, but there's a chance and it *can* work out for sure.

>>9935454
Giving him the brutal truth, lol.

>>9935551
>It's just that the ones who don't perfectly pass are the only ones you notice so you get this idea that most or all can't pass. But you've probably seen more of them than you think and didn't realize.
Oh come on, quit being this delusional

>>9935556
What's the delusion exactly? If someone who's trans passes successfully, that literally means you can't tell they're trans, and your brain registers them as just another person like anyone else.

It's like a mutation of survivorship bias, by the very nature of the criteria you're looking for, you're only going to be able to gather negative data points.

>>9935558
Shhhh tranners are all gross fetishists. It's true because I said so

I think you can get into lolita fashion, I'm 5'8 male, not trans, and I'm into it. But being like that I cannot buy from stores already made lolita clothes, so I only have tailor made ones.

>>9935593

>>9935593
That looks pretty nice, do you make your own clothes or do you have someone else sew them?

>>9935532
This is pretty much what I meant. Avoid sweet. Like find shit the suits you better. I'm 5'7 so not quite 6 feet I generally just look for stuff with a longer than avarage length but again 5'7 not 6 feet. My height can be in like tall women's category 6 feet escpecially for Asian women is really tall. I'm so glad I stopped at 5'7 otherwise I don't know how shit would work.

>>9935551
My gf is stealth, all the thirsty shitheads hitting on her at cons have no idea. They're the kind of people who would probably have some kind of insecure homophobic crisis if they knew too, kek.

This thread had me thinking, why are people so fixated on lolita when their style is nowhere close?
It's like a magical word for a superior fashion, so they use it even when wearing himekaji or just girly fashion.

A trans man with a Lolita fetish? Color me surprised. You’re a man, die mad about it.

>>9935608
Thanks! It was made by a friend of mine that works as a dressmaker.

This was the last outfit she made for me

>>9935593
>>9935645
these are ita as fuck man

have you joined a Comm and sought advice on becomes a better lolita as in makeup and coording? i don't see anything that says you're a lolita in these two pics.

>>9935656
I'm not that anon, but I want to be a clueless outsider and ask what changes between lolita and just ita? Two totally different things?

>>9935665
Ita comes from "itai", or "ouch", in this context it refers to a failed lolita coord that's so bad it hurts to look at. Now, I've seen worse but those "coords" definitely fall under ita, they look like a cheap imitation of what lolita actually is.

>>9933773
Fuck no. Shit, most western women look bad in lolita, because it's designed for small Asian women. A man will look even fucking worse. Also, what this anon said >>9935104

>>9935665
Ita and lolita are the same thing. ita is a poorly coorded version of a lolita. being an ita is a combination of a poor choice of shoes, blouses, JSK, headbow, or color of the coord. It could also be described as a poorly handmade dress or a dress that doesn't properly fit the lolita.

we have an active ita thread >>9932684

>>9935593
>I'M A MAN, PLEASE GIVE ME ATTENTION

> In 3 months, I've already gotten noticeably curvier, and I wouldn't mind straying from the higher femme side for the sake of looking fashionably aware.

I wasn't aware HRT changed bone structure kek

>>9935672
>Ita and lolita are the same thing
lol no

>>9935665
Is it summer in work or did someone link us again? Because wow, it's even worse then last year I think.
I wish anon hadn't fucked up the post on /o/. Who goes on random board and just asks basic questions on the topic that doesn't interest you enough to spend 3 minutes to look for it yourself? Stop spoonfeeding these retards. Sage for unnecessary anger.

>>9935637
Sure anon, sure

>>9935558
The fact that you really think that the world is full of passing mtf, that we probably see them all the time, but just don't notice is fucking wild.

>>9935691
love how you can't actually prove me wrong but wanna reply to me anyway so you twist it from me saying "they're out there but naturally we don't notice because they don't stand out" into you saying I think the "world is full of them."

>>9935696
Ugh, just fuck off! There's not a single tranny out there who doesn't look like a freak; even the ones you see on the internet who seem to pass, are all photoshop, lightening and angles.

>>9935696
Welcome to arguing with transphobes on the internet. Most of their arguments are based around unmeasurable shit. Like "most trans people don't pass" or "trans women are gross fetishists". Both completely unprovable one way or the other.

>>9935680
I do cosplay just not lolita stuff, I browse the board but never delved into a topic like this. It caught my attention as someone who is also tall, don't be so mean.

>>9935700
shit I didn't count on that kind of response, you've fully convinced me

>>9935703
>>9935710
You handmaidens are simply pathetic...

>>9935717
Says the one siding with conservative christians.

>>9935187
Made me lol, thank you anon

I think my m2f friend would look good in lolita. She has the lolita vibe imo I should tell her about it. Actually there was this other anon I’m not sure if they’re m2f or just a trap that I met on a /vg/ discord that talked about wanting to get into lolita. I told them about /cgl/ awhile ago I wonder if they ever got into it.

OP if you want to try Lolita or Jfashion - just do it. F$%k on other opinions because nobody will get hurt, if you wear those clothes. But I think the real reason you posted here is you are looking for validation that you will look as good as the uwu smol cute Asian cis girl. And the answer is of course no.

>>9935738
>her

>>9935746
good edge anon we're all impressed

>>9935739
this.

as a taller western girl, lolita can be a challenge for me as well. You're not going to be a cute small asian no matter what you do, so just wear it if you like it and make it work for you.

>>9935738
>her

>>9935593
Ewwwwwwwww

>>9935720
>thinking delusional genetic pool poisoners are normal means you are a “conservative Christian”
Nice fedora

>>9935637
Fat nerds and onionboys at conventions will hit on any girl no matter how ugly or mannish, anon

>>9935787
Ah yes, the tranners poisoning gene pools. They must be impregnating so many women, with their dicks that work, their love of hentai, and their crippling social anxiety.

Kys fag. You're not "trans" you're a man in a dress.

>>9935787
I said siding with not that you are one please read. I just find it ironic that you are calling people handmaids while siding with religious nut jobs.

>>9935794
>hurr durr if you have a similar belief as another group u r siding with them
Why can faggots never argue?

>>9935794
I wasn’t the anon saying handmaid, just another anon thinking you’re a retarded reactionary

>>9935593

>>9935792
Ah my bad, should have said genetic dead ends which we have a biological instinct to shun.

>>9935803
>naturalistic fallacy implying we don't have many other "instincts" to shun things that we shook off because it's retarded
>genetic dead ends as if poster has a chance in hell of ever having children and even less of a chance of being able to explain why that's somehow an inherently good thing in an overpopulated world

>>9935397
>most people will probably accept you
That's just straight up not true. They might be nice to your face, but people definitely will talk. It'll be superficial acceptance, best case.

>>9935810
brutal

At the end of the day, people can wear what they want. But you have to accept you'll never be able to pull it off even a fraction as well as the people the fashion was made for. If you actually wanna look good, look elsewhere.

Also, stay out of our comms and stop shitting up the board with retarded requests for spoonfeeding. I don't understand why people feel this entitled towards lolita while never being willing to do a fucking minute of research.

>>9935825
>stay away from our comms.
Nope.

>>9935446
>Mana is only 1,73m (5'8) and 49kg (108lbs)
Honest question, does mana actually get his stuff personally tailored for his shoots or does he use stock items? I can't figure out if he's also one of those super thin and fragile men or if his clothes are just well tailored.

>>9933773
Post pics. Just cover your face. It'd be easier to give you advice.

>>9935854
*well tailored to suit his body features

>>9935593
another man posting himself in halfassed lolita with no fucking makeup
you don't even try and think you can get away with it because you're male

>>9935873
I don't think he can "get away with it" because he is a dude. Just oblivious or doesn't care.

>>9935794
There are quite a few trannies who are active neo nazis but I'm not gonna go around calling every one of them a Nazi.

>>9935922
Wut? Quite a few? I somehow doubt that there are many at all. Instead you'll just call them gross fetishists. So much better.

>>9935746
>>9935765
I’m not up to date with all the pronouns. I didn’t mean to offend (you)

>>9934083
kek

>>9933825
try to buy a good corset! that might help with shape issues. also, try to wear things that make you look shorter rather than super mini skirts that will make you look even taller.

>>9935593
Shoes are bad and don't match, wig bangs need shaping and thinning at the ends, coat and headbow look cheap

Lol here is Andrea with 400 likes in rufflechat. All virtue signaling?

>>9935680
>/o/ flooding into seagull
kek

>>9936101
You'd be surprised. The post on Humans of New York has a majority of positive comments and reactions, not because people genuinely think she's beautiful (if they do they need to get their eyesight checked) but because they're happy for her for doing something that makes her happy. Iirc some of them say things like "she's not hurting anybody" which is hilariously wrong, but they don't know anything about lolita or what she's doing in our community.

>itt /r9k/ goes to war against /lgbt/

>>9936422
No, ITT lolitas are sick of male entitlement and gross fetishists invading their coms.

>>9936452
>t. /o/

>>9936101
>can't be bothered to do makeup

Definitely fetishist.

>>9936101
Its sad because she loves it. I just wish she would do her makeup and maybe have friends to help point her in the right direction. That's the problem with the hugbox communities. They don't tell brolitas how to get better because they're scared to hurt their feefees so brolitas never improve with their friends help.

>>9936772
There's evidence of her being a sissy though, or at least associating with sissies.

>>9936772
Yeah I mean makeup and hair are by biggest struggles in fashion. Like I just don't have any background in it and there is an overwhelming amount of products and information. I never got to practice when I was younger so I'm just starting from scratch.

>>9933773
It's fascinating how you're transitioning to feed up your fetish.
You will never be a petite asian girl, get over yourself, you need therapy, not a frilly dress.

If you're old enough to post, you're too old for any major transition to happen.

>>9936858
Thanks for the useful commentary ray.
>>9936909
Yeah that's also a load of BS.

>>9935593
Headbow looks really cheap and floppy. Wig looks plasticky, badly cut bangs. Is the coat F+F? Doesn't look the worst, but the ribbons and pompoms on the front look cheap. Pink of the shoes doesn't match the dress.

>>9935645
Wig is a bit better on this one. Blouse looks like a normie blouse. Green dress is basic, but it isn't awful, but the fitting at the waist looks awkward. Needs some headgear.

>>9933773
Can you be cute? Probably not. Could you still wear J-fashion? probably, but you'll need to wait until your fully transitioned to successfully pull off the more femme looks, as the tailoring and style is intended for a slender asian figure.

I'm a cis woman, tall and a bit mannish for a woman, so I stick to classic, because I just look really awkward in sweet. My face is too angular, and my shoulders too broad. Plus I'm older, too. Bustier and curvier Western women often struggle to not look frumpy in Lolita, and to find things that fit, even if they're shorter, so if you're tall and chunky, finding anything that fits is going to be really hard, and you're going to have to get things custom made, which can often end up poor quality or very expensive. I would suggest staying away from the pink, sweet, and hyperfeminine styles, and aiming for classic, Gothic, etc. or maybe wearing ouji - Ouji might be the masculine counterpart to Lolita, but it's often not really all that masculine at all, but does suit those body types better (and there's probably more female oujis than male). Aristo is also an option, and very under-rated.

The hair, make-up and facial features are all important to Lolita, and if you've got an angular face, you're at a disadvantage - plenty of cis women (myself included) often get negative comments on our faces in these pages. I've got better at posing to minimise my more awkward features from it, but I wouldn't personally consider surgery (well, maybe to fix my nose) especially as it's out of my budget. If you can afford the facial feminisation surgery, that will go a long way if you have a strong jaw or heavy brow. Learning to do make-up, how to get your eyebrows feminine without being too thin or weirdly shaped, how to pick a good wig - they're all important for Lolita regardless of gender or sex.

>>9935645
Your outfit looks like an ultra minimum effort suiseiseki cosplay but at least your face looks better than Andrea's.

Tips: Get a corset, most men don't have any waist and that just looks tragic with lolita, like a barrel body. Buy a nicer blouse. Invest in headwear and accesories. Learn to do makeup that flatters your face.

And what is that red thing I see behind your phone? Whatever it is, it's gotta go.

Good luck!

>>9933773
Just plastic surgery and waist train yourself into an animu gril.

>>9936929
Sorry for speaking the truth, Johnny
Please, now go cut off your dick and get a rotten wound that you will have to dilate for the rest of your life.

>>9937487
It's not even a "wound". You can call it fake or whatever but wound is incorrect. You have to dilate because it lacks muscular walls it's not like it would even close up if you don't dilate just lose depth. I know basic facts are hard for you so go waddle back over to pol.

>>9937543
Why does it hurt so bad then?

>>9936803
Makeup is not terribly hard if you just repeat the same action over and over or do it to a basic level. Also on men, don't bother going too far. Even just eyeliner can make a guy look a lot better than nothing at all. Then slowly work your way up, contouring is the hardest part and you're gonna probably want help with that.

Good luck.

I didn't wear makeup until i was 19, nor my eyebrows. I looked like shit for a while, and i regret not asking for advice. Look up some makeup tip pages and practice.

>>9936101
You can be efamous all you want, have money, have a ton of brand, hell you can even have a great personality, but no, you can never be kawaii if you look like that.

I bet people tell her she looks great and cute irl, but it's all just polite lies.

>>9933773
Take a look at all of her pics, and please realize that no, unless you are a thin dainty asian dude, you can't be kawaii.

>>9935593
This honestly looks like a photo of PT
except PT wore brand

>>9936101
Isn't this the one who's actually a sissie and part of some hardcore fetish groups?

>>9937601
Yes

>>9937565
because some surgery has a rough recovery.

>>9937901
For fuckin years? Lol

>>9937543
"You can call it fake" boo fucking hoo, at least I have the real thing and I don't have to spend thousands of dollars to give myself the illusion that I can be a little girl.
You will never be a woman, just a mutilated man in drag, you'll be XY forever.
Now just buy the highest size in brand and jack off in it, you psycho.

>>9935685
Aggressive delusion is the running theme.

>>9938047
Why are you so hateful bruh? Who hurt you? Sometimes internet hate gets me kinda down but your argument is so dumb it's laughable. There is nothing to even argue against here it all just mindless insults based assuming people's intentions. I hope someday you will gain some sense of introspection and learn working on yourself rather than tearing people down will lead to happiness. Until then stay salty my dude.

>>9938192
Back to tumblr.
I'm fuckin sick of men larping as little girls and wanting to get into our spaces and if I don't want MEN into my parties I'm somewhat "hateful".
Being trans is the same as body dysmorphia. Learn to accept your body, realize you will never be a woman and move on, it's not that hard.
Hope you reach your forties, if you're not killing yourself after getting plastic implants and an infected cut between your legs.
Salty about what, not mutilating myself and not being medically dependant on hrt forever, while I know that I'll never be what I larp as? Fucking joke, lmao.

>>9938201
"Our spaces" pol? I don't really care how you see me I'm more comfortable this way. Not sure where you are pulling the little girl stuff from but arguing people you don't like are pedos is a classic.

>>9938217
>Saying that you will never be a little asian girl, which lolita is targeted (little as below 1,60m and petite bone structure and fat distribuition)
>You understanding "Mhh :/ It's not that people you don't like are pedos :/"

Did hormones fried your brain too?

>>9938220
Nah I has gud brain. Not sure what are even trying to say with the second part.

>>9938217
Look man, good for you, but arguing with randoms on /cgl/ is not the way to deal with shit. Makes you look real insecure.

I don't give a shit if someone is trans, but i will be a bit wary of certain trans people- the ones who insist on being allowed in womens safe spaces, the ones who barely try, have no dysphoria or plans to transition, or just don't fucking try.
I've seen men look good in sweet lolita but it's really really rare. most of the time you'll just end up looking like a creepy sissy like funkbrothers.

>>9936772
>she
>her

>>9938225
>Not sure what are even trying to say with the second part.
Hold on, gotta get your very own sentence
>"but arguing people you don't like are pedos is a classic"

Where I said that you were a pedo?
Also, do you really wish you looked like the pic you posted, uh? Of course, the fashion you want to to go for your "transition" is lolita, because to you "pretty dress=woman". "cute=woman" "pink=woman"
That's not how it works.
You willl never look good in lolita, you're already fucked with your height, good luck trying to pass with your fat man face caked in make up, that makes you look like a weirdo.
I think the problem is not that you will not be "cute :(" but you will never be a woman, end of the story. Of course you want to be cute or else you will not bite into your fetish of being a petite asian girl who shops around harajuku and shibuya
Cure your brain, then come back.

>>9938246
"You want to be a little girl". That sounds like you are trying to link trans to pedo shit. Also I'm not OP. I don't particularly like sweet all that much I don't think most people can pull it off even more so if you are tall. Again not that op's pic was even Lolita. About the ' ' = woman I don't actually believe that I just like cute and/or elegant shit. It's not like I'm some dumbass going I'm morrrreee of a woman than those terrriblr butch lesbians are. Different looks for different people.

>>9938266
NAYRT but trans acceptance is absolutely linked to pedoshit. Two of the things people are pushing for hard are 'education' about the subject for younger and younger kids (why do you want to talk about genitals with preschoolers so badly??), and the idea that children can 'consent' to a massive life-altering transition. If kids can consent to something like that, it won't be long until people want them to be able to consent to other things. Plus look at all these child drag queens popping up everywhere. They're being heavily sexualised and it's disgusting.

And yes, wanting to dress like a little girl when you're a man is creepy and fetishistic.

>>9938331
Drag queens aren't usually trans...

>>9938192
Why do trannies or their handmaidens always insist on calling real women 'dude' or 'dick(head)', etc? (Yet they get a heart attack if "misgendered" lol)

>>9938334
You know exactly what I'm talking about. Don't try to obfuscate it.

>>9938331
Kids being sexualized is nothing new and not trans people's fault. Have you seen those pageants? That shit is super creepy. Also drag queens are more of a gay culture thing so dont blame trans people for that. Also people trying to push children into shit isn't my goal or fault. Seems to be mostly over zealous straight libs pushing that. I'm just of the mind let kids express themselves the way they want. Pretty much no one but extremists are pushing for surgery for kids.

>>9933773
OP, give your body time. Your transition is a tender stage and getting into lolita now will undoubtedly add more pressure to try to fit an ideal.
Remember, lolita is an alternative fashion. it's supposed to be weird, transgressive, decadent, and self-serving. If you aren't naturally drawn to those aspects then try out more western girly styles for now.

your body is in a state of constant change so I'd wait a year before getting serious about wardrobe building.

I am cis, 180cm, with 27cm feet and actually quite broad shoulders (about 43cm wide). It took me time to know how to spot brand that fits and flatters. I'm definitely a big lady but you have to know how to play up your proportions. The tricky thing about my body tho is that I'm busty and my height is from my legs so skirts appear much shorter and more revealing on me. that's cool for things like gyaru and uchuu and stuff tho. Keep in mind jfash across the board favors a more petite bust so you might want to stay with your natural breasts as they develop.

anyway, all this rambling to say you should find a normie mtf support/mentor group to help guide you through what you can expect body-wise. Do note that everyone's genes are different so look at the women on both sides of your family to get a sense.
The fashion part will be a huge learning curve, so please give yourself time, and try outfits at home, taking lots of pictures so you can look at them and improve.

The most important questions are what are your measurements? please know your chest and waist measurements by heart. also, travel out of your town to a mall to be incognito and try some clothes on to get a sense of fit and flatter at different points in your transition. this will save you money and eliminate some arduous trial and error.

Good luck!!

>>9933773
>I'm trans (mtf)
>6' tall.
>On hormones for 3 months.
>Kinda chunky

Any one of these would be a deal-breaker, but all of them combined and no, you can't ever be pretty.

>>9938852
I disagree, they can lose weight and go on hormones longer. Being 6ft tall makes things harder but isn't the worst thing. But if they have a typical man face then that's a deal breaker unless they get plastic surgery.

>>9933842

>>9938868
Why even bother? Get a therapist and deal with the cards dealt to you broseph OP.

>>9938881
You do realize most therapists would suggest transition right?

>>9938889
no, "most" therapists wouldn't suggest transition

>>9938881
...what? I'm not OP, I'm a girl
I honestly think that getting work done on their face would make them feel the best. A cute face can make up for even the ugliest bodies

>>9933773
I'm 5'0" and 110lbs and because of my broad shoulders and wide hips so there's a lot of j-jashion items I've tried that just don't flatter my figure. I'd encourage you to experiment but like everyone else in the thread is saying: you might have a hard time.

>>9938904
Can you back up that claim? Most mainstream organizations seem to be in support of transition.

>>9938384
It's nothing new, but the trans angle opens up a lot of doors for people to exploit children. Sorry you've been duped into supporting a pedophilic cause.

>>9939079
Just like the gays?

>>9939092
Yes. Glad we're on the same page.

>>9939054
Only in Murica. The rest of the world would laugh in your face.

>>9939142
you do know this board is like half lesbian right

>>9939242
I'm bisexual myself and I can still admit that the LGBT community has a massive problem with pedophilia.

Nice attempt at derailment there though Kevin Spacey.

>>9938217
Yes, our spaces. For real women. You are 100 years too early if you think you are entitled to them considering how women are still oppressed by men.

>>9935746
>>9935765
>replying to soup

>>9933773
It's not really politically correct to call a MTF ugly so I think you're good. Try to make super liberal friends (college types) they'll be falling over themselves to tell you how pretty you are for #woke points. But in reality from a normal person's perspective? I don't think so no. Being pretty isn't the most important thing in life though if that makes you feel better.

>>9939258
This, this 100%. I completely agree with you.

Honestly proud of the terfdom going on in here. I felt bad about holding views (in secret obviously) that go against transmen in women’s spaces, heck even gay men even, so the fact that being anonymous lets some truth come out here makes me happy and restores some of my faith in the board.

>>9938384
>kids being sexualized is nothing new
>as if it's something we should ignore and not be stopping
>not trans people's fault
You need to see how pedos are trying to get in on LGBT lately and how they've been pushing articles. Look up what a MAP (Minor Attracted People) pedophile is. They are absolutely trying to act like it's just a woeful, incurable mental disease like trans therefore you should just accept them or else you're a bigot.

If you let them in, you know they will always push for more. Should we start accepting MAP pedophile trannies just because they claim they're women and need access to your underage girls in your comm because of a "mental illness"? Don't accept them and stand your ground and call them what they are.

>>9939347
Don't be a coward about your views, anon. The people pushing these things thrive on people being uncomfortable but suffering in silence. As soon as people start openly speaking out about it, the movement crumbles because actually most people don't like trannies.

It goes double for women when our spaces are being invaded. We're so used to holding in our discomfort and not being able to speak out, and they're taking full advantage of this. We need to take a stand and say that no, we are not okay with this. We do not want men in our private spaces. We do not want men who feel entitled to use resources intended for women. We do not want men derailing discussions on the tangible issues that women face. And we do not want men making a mockery of the hobbies we created for ourselves.

>>9939347
>>9939374

I am kind of terf-curious because boy do I get sick of men invading female spaces expecting to get preferential or special treatment, but also I think there are some guys who genuinely do like the fashion who look good/pass and don't view it as some kind of fetishy dress up, who I am fine with. So idk, I am conflicted about the best way to deal with this.

sage because why is this thread still here

>>9939384
But the men who do that aren't the ones we have a problem with.

>>9939384
>>9939388
And those types are so rare too. It’s usually like OP who just think ooh kawaii cosplay clothes, spoonfeed me please, actually no don’t spoonfeed me I can get the attention I want by just amazon’ing and bodyline look I’m a girl too! Just like in my japanese animes!

I also hate how brolitas and gay guys in their circle of female friends in a female hobby get all the attention just for being there. In the “let’s make the guy the center of our kpop girls group dance cover, so cute!” or “let some have Brian be this magical girl (and ruin the photo shoot for everyone)!” Kind of ways.

I don't even know what I'm supposed to do if I'm trans, neck? I'm not trying to bother people but there seems no way not to,

>>9933773
Have you worn j-fashion or lolita before coming out as trans? Most, if not all MtF people wore lolita before coming out and starting hormones.

I’m in that awkward situation where I’m a cismale not interested at all in transitioning but “pass” so well it literally took a year before the mod realized I was a guy. (They thought my voice was dark from smoking/drinking). I used to use the male bathroom even in lolita but I have a shy blatter and can’t piss when people stare, which oobviously they will do if a frilly dude comes in. I’ve also been thrown out of male bathrooms. Anyhow, although I agree with that men shouldn’t be allowed in female spaces such as bathroom I hypocritically have to continue since I really just want to pee in peace and not be bothered.

>>9939542
This sounds made up

>>9939546
What part?

>>9935104
It’s not that I disagree with you but being as cruel to men as they are to women isn’t the answer. I do hope op is aware that while being trans is a very marginalized group her amab privilege is still in effect in certain ways.

>>9939262
Tfw gf is a real girl and not a cute trap like in my anime ;_; she’s cute but I can’t relate to her at all cause she’s a girl!!

>>9935593
Are you trying to encourage op or show that they’re doomed like you?

>>9939597
Trans here just curious in what way I still have male privilege. Not saying I don't just don't know what it would be off the top of my head. Like woman tend to be more accepting of trans people but I see that as women being more accepting and less violent than men.

>>9939605
Dump her

>>9933773
no one will accept you at face value. the friends you make for the next 5 years will just be the bluehaired type who will only want to be your friend to "support" the trannies. you'll most likely kill yourself after the full transition, glad that you're out of the gene pool forever i don't think men would want to fuck another man that spits hairballs out of his wound of a womb.

>>9939616
Basically cis woman oppression and trans women oppression are really different things. Just like a white cis woman can be marginalized in her womanhood but privileged in her whiteness, trans women can be privileged by their male upbringing while still having to face the marginalization of their trans-ness.

Little boys are socialized to be confident and assertive while girls are taught not to be “vain” or “bossy”. Male privilege starts at birth with how little boys are raised. While trans kids certainly experienced difficulties that cis kids do not, the childhood socialization still impacts their lives.

So that’s what I’m talking about when I say that trans women still have male or amab privilege. It doesn’t mean that trans women have it easy or anything like that, it means that trans women are not 100% removed from male privilege even after transitioning.

>>9939193
tell that to Sweden, Russia, Thailand, Brazil...
I feel like there are tons of places where people transition and live the lives they want with no issue.

>>9933773
2 years. You have that time to get fit, take care of your body and health, learn things and test those things slowly, get experience and confidence and whatever.
After that, start looking into getting into the fashion you like best and think fits best. Which means, wait until that to buy things, meanwhile go slowly and normie, getting more fem as time passes.
But seriously, wait at least those 2 years on hrt before really doing it or before losing all hope. And do your best to be actually able to "just b urself" in the meawhile.

>>9939193
The medical guidelines are international, and actually backed (as all guidelines) by medical research.

>>9939656
But tbqh, Brazil is the suckiest place and a death sentence if you don't pass.

>>9939440
listen, some people are going to be bothered by you but that goes for everyone with a "different" identity.
I grew up in an extremely conservative, religious home. my first bf was a (trans)man who just wanted to live a normal life and no one questioned him. I understand that that kind of life is much easier once you're farther along with your transition, and if you "pass"
but I honestly am much more interested in genderfucking and abolishing the binary.
You wouldn't know it, knowing my upbringing, but everyone is responsible and should be held accountable for how they treat others. It's not your fault that your spirit does not match your body, and it's also not your fault if people are abusive towards you.
I'm hoping to be a part of improving the quality and length of life for trans* identifying people...in any way that I can.

>>9939542
here is where neutral bathrooms would come in handy

>>9933773
Can I give 2 bits of advice?

Firstly, dress for your body shape. There are plenty of different cuts of J-fashion and lolita. Find the one that works for you and don’t squeeze into one just because the print is cute because it will not great. Experiment, lurk the ita threads to learn why things look bad and try different fits of clothing to accentuate the good and hide the bad.

Knees together! If you look at the way women vs men move, walk and sit women generally have their knees together rather than in a wide stance.

If youre trans there is no way you are going to be pretty. Look at this one >>9933888
Ugly as fuck. Thats gonna be you.

I’m a cisgender bi woman. I’m not a full blown terf, but with the likes of And*** and other AGP/sissies shitting up our fashion and preying on minors it’s very hard (damn near impossible) for us to trust any amab that isn’t passing.

You should focus on your transition and not some obscure fashion whose primary clientele are tiny Asian women.

As you already noticed by the vast majority of posts here, you are not welcomed here.

>>9933773
I hope you do what you love and you rock it.

>>9939680
are you dumb? I have seen no indication that FunkBrothers is trans, just a lolita.

>>9939721
if you're a guy transitioning into a girl chances are you're gonna look as bad as him

I admit, it's really hard to pass. I've met very few trans women that pass. Actually, that moth pass and aren't awkward as hell. Can try browsing the shitty, blue hellsite to find some kind of inspiration. That or Instagram. The closest you'll get to finding ideas for dressing in Lolita are the guys who do it. I only one of one and he's good at it (don't wanna drop his account here just because). I don't even know if there are any legit trans women who even do the fashion somewhat properly.

>>9933773
Just be aware at that height, sleeves/waists on some lolita dresses will be a bitch. I'm a little shorter than you and sometimes have issues with that, sleeves being too short and hitting mid-forearm so they're tighter than they should be etc. You'll have to pick your styles carefully.

>>9939673
fr, why aren’t there more neutral bathrooms

>>9939546
I’m a chubby Blasian, it’s really easy for me to pass among people not used to men with feminine features. I look a bit like a black Jiggly Caliente I would say so yeah some people might see through but honestly most don’t.

>>9939780
Its always easier to pass if you’re chubby, don’t you think? Add black and asian and you won a lottery

>>9939780
>I’m a chubby Blasian, it’s really easy for me to pass among people not used to men with feminine features.
Blasian. Half black. "Men with feminine features"
lol whut?

>>9939738
Hmmm I don't think most people would look like him his face is like really gaunt. I can't think of any trans people in the fashion like under 50 lol most are just brolitas.

>>9933773
If your face is alright I wouldn't be at all concerned with your body, but otherwise unless you get plastic surgery you're fucked.

>>9933773
Post pics

Clothing. Has. No. Gender.
Wear whatever the fuck you want and remember there’s nobody in the world who can stop you from doing so. Let these autistic haters screech alone in their transphobic echochambers. Just focus on you being yourself.
Anyone who says otherwise is either a shitposting edgelord, or a genuine textbook definition of a bigot. Good day to all of you.

>>9942128
>Clothing. Has. No. Gender.
Not necessarily true. Clothing can have elements that are tied to gender expression, like how lolita fashion is often described as hyper-feminine. Does it mean that only biological females can wear lolita? Obviously not, but it does mean that people who wear it can be mistaken for women, because that's the image that these clothes project. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

>>9942128
Pray tell, if clothing has no gender, why do men who want to wear dresses are perceived as trans? If clothes truly had no gender then men could wear dresses and makeup and still be men.
The amount of dumb newbies who think that Mana is a trans woman is hilariously depressing and directly contradicts your point.

>>9942137
>men who want to wear dresses are trans
So going by your logic, would you imply drag queens are also trans women? I have no idea who this Mana fellow is, and I wasn’t using any particular person as an example to demonstrate my point.
Clothing is a piece of fabric that is not restricted towards a certain gender or biological sex. Clothing as gender roles is a completely made up social construct as fashion choices evolve through periods of time. Why is it that historically in the 17th century, it was considered popularly fashionable for European upper-class men to wear powdered wigs and white tights, things that today would be deemed socially unacceptable.
What you’re mistaking is that gender identity/expression is irrelevant and separate from biological sex. And there’s notably a double standard in society since men can’t wear dresses without being perceived as trans (as you and others have mentioned), but a biological woman who identifies with her birth gender can wear baggy blue jeans and a leather jacket yet nobody mistakes her as a man or perceives her as wanting to be a man.

>>9942144
>I have no idea who this Mana fellow is
Dropped

>>9942144
>>9942148
Lol for real, you obviously came here from somewhere and have no business posting here. Bet you can’t even name a burando outside maybe Baby or AP without googling.

>>9942174
Don’t know, don’t care. I have already stated my point and I’m finished here. The elitist and cliquey attitude that permeates here is annoying and frankly, disgusting. Peace out weirdos.

>>9942199
If you don't know and don't care then you're clearly not a lolita and therefore we don't give a shit about what you have to say.

>>9942144
Found the cosfag

>>9942137
>The amount of dumb newbies who think that Mana is a trans woman is hilariously depressing
I'm actually wondering if he would be trans, if he were young in current times.
>wears lolita dresses
>shitload of make up completely hiding his male features
>avoids having his voice heard by others
Does he have some kind of dysphoria? Have he ever been seen in casual attire without make up?

>>9942228
Seriously? He's a fucking performer, anon. Whether his feminine appearance is a persona/character that he plays or an aesthetic that he enjoys, maybe both, why would he need to experience dysphoria to be into it? Can't he just enjoy it for what it is and be a man? You sound as retarded as this anon >>9942144
And there are pics of him in "casual" attire, though they're not like jeans and t-shirts or anything close to that.

>>9942228
>I'm actually wondering if he would be trans, if he were young in current times.
>guy wears makeup and frilly dresses
>must be trans
Idiots like you are the ones enforcing gender norms and setting all of us back, just so you know.

>>9935447
Ever heard of Eden the Doll anon?
There's also Carmen Carrera, Sarina Valentina, Bailey Jay, Princess Joules, Angela Vanity, Elena Genevive and Blaire White just to name a few trans women who actually pass as biological women.

There's also Jenna Talachova, that one girl who was featured as a trans beauty queen, Jazz Jennings and plenty of others. It's not too uncommon to see passable t-girls although it isn't talked about in mainstream media, so of course all you see are the ugly manly ones.

>>9935447
Tbh, most t-girls feel kinda the same way you feel about unpassable manly trannies. Blaire and Eden released a video a few weeks ago about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvCXK_54-io

>>9942951
I don't know most of those people but Blaire White doesn't really pass when you see her in motion. She still looks very much like a gay guy who had a lot of cosmetic surgery.

>>9942951
They are not "most trannies" anon.

lol no

>>9933888
Getting serial killer Dressed To Kill vibes from this.

>>9942951
>jazz
>passing

He just looks like a fat boy his age in a wig

>>9935104
I absolutely agree with you, but
>And no sexual comments in sight.
That's because literally no one here wants to fuck him or even touch him. A lot of men otoh will fuck literally anything that isn't nailed to the floor, from trigglypuff over Chris-chan to liver boxes.

>>9935158
No, because men, and in particular MtFs, think women are just tools for them to step on while they try to achieve
>muh own true self uwu

Fuck that.

>>9935454
Not to mention that "kind of chunky" if OP is American and talking from an American perspective, is super morbidly obese for Japanese standards, and the Chinese would just treat him like a sideshow.

>>9935551
Safe to say OP doesn't look like a legit woman, let alone one who looks good in an AP dress. We give fatties shit all the time here. He doesn't get a pass because he's a teeny little girl trapped in the body of an adult linebacker, Jesus.

>>9935637
Thirsty weebs at cons pay for lewds of Mariah Moooooo Mallad. They don't exactly have standards.

>>9935677
>noticeably curvier = I've been binge eating, I can't help it, the female hormones! I get periods too, waaa

>>9935720
That would be trannies, they're the ones attacking planned parenthood because doctors won't waste a good pap smear on their girl tinkle.

They've shut down charities protecting first nations women who've been raped and assaulted in Canada, because
>excluding white shemales with a girl pickel uwu

>>9938331
Not to mention the rampant autopedophilia of violent assholes like stefonknee.

>>9939656
lol Mother Russia & Putin's death squads will kill you for sissification.

>>9942144
>I have no idea who this Mana fellow is
kys and die pls.

>>9942951
Porn stars, prostitutes and random thots don't make good lolitas. It's a modest fashion, you sissy fuck.

>>9943089
He eats with his mouth open, it's disgusting. Not at my tea party!
Is he adopted? His Munchausen by Proxy crazy mother is so ugly, and he's not that ugly but he doesn't look like her at all.

>>9943100
You mean those organization caved to the demands of a few crazy tranny and their lib friends. Most trans people I know love planned parenthood because in many areas there are like the only trans supportive organizations.
I'm trans and I just want to die most of the time desu I don't have the energy to bother anyone lol.

>never go to /cgl/
>see this thread
you niggas cold

>>9943317
Everyone hates everyone here

>>9943115
She/her

>>9939616
>wonen les violent than men

That's not the newsflash to us that you think it is. Why do you think we need sex segregated spaces when we're vulnerable? Why do you think everyone's OH FUCK NO! when an infamous serial killer suddenly discovers that deep down he's a woman, and that it's discrimination if he can't be transferred to a woman's prison and given a physically weaker cell mate?

That you don't get this, this right here, that we're wary of any male trying to wear female skin because a good portion of them are certified creeps and a clear and present danger, that's your male privilege in action.

Damn honestly I didnt expect so many people to call it a "fetish" here but it totally reaffirms what I always suspected of trannies. Gross.

>>9933773
Just remember there are a lot of unattractive cis gals in jfashion community...

I guarantee you, 8/10 of the jfashion gals you'll ever meet aren't even that pretty.

>>9943089
Wow, Jazz does look like a boy. If anyone wore whore makeup like >>9942951 they'd look more "feminine" too or drag queen-like. Just because you can do feminine makeup doesn't mean you have a feminine face, though.

These people they say are "passing" aka drag queens are small, gay men with very dainty features and were flamboyant before. Robbie "Blaire White" looked like this. There's not a huge jump between now and then, except awful implants, obvious facial surgery, and brows way too plucked.

Ya'll need to stop giving these roleplaying autogynephiles like "I want to be a tiny japanese school girl in frilly lolita" OP some kind of false hope and the obvious non-passers in the thread. Also, all these "girls" are instathot level, so look at them without the caked on makeup, angles, and Photoshop before you claim they pass. Once you get all the fake polish off them,they're men who've had facial surgery.

>>9943624
>all trans women are ugly men with sissy fetishes, let's go talk random shit about them for not being cisgender
>all cis women are pure innocent lolitas who should be treated like gods and never be criticized
/cgl/ in a nutshell

btw pic related on the left is a cisgender, XX-chromosomed biological female
>inb4 ewww amerifat
I highly doubt any of you are really Japanese people, you're all a bunch of cunty weebs appropriating a Japanese subculture.

>>9943631
Fuck off, you obvious tranny. We rip apart women like this. You want special treatment and to be lavished that you're prettier than even the ugliest woman. It's amazing you have to set the bar so low for yourself.

>>9943634

>>9935746
kek

>>9935924
the mentally ill gravitate toward extreme beliefs. imagine my shock.

>>9939440
holy shit just shut up about being trans and accept that you're probably ugly. MOST PEOPLE ARE AVERAGE OR UGLY. DEAL WITH IT.

>>9943631
You're cherry picking, that poor girl got torn apart too.

>>9943631
>>9943664
Also, you're a dickbag for making fun of someone to prove a shitty point. You want trans women to be accepted but you won't accept her or any other fat girls? You're a hypocrite.

>>9943384
Thank you for putting my feelings into words so well.

>>9943631
Well, at least we don't get boners from wearing petticoats, I'd consider that a modest win.

>>9943697
>trans women having boners
Found the uninformed normie who doesn't know how hrt works.

>>9943701
Found the wishful thinking handmaiden who doesn't know that hrt doesn't work as intended, and almost never completely. Plenty of mtf still get boners and rape people too. Why else would they insist their penis is female and lesbians should lend it access to their bodies?

>>9943723
HRT permanently sterilizes you, baka edgelord. That's why doctors always ask the patient if they want to bank sperm before swallowing chemicals that will destroy the gonads.

>>9943601
You do realize something doesn't become true just because you think it is, right?

>>9943727
Dude, Eunuchs could often still get it up and were therefore highly in demand sexually with both men and women. Castration, wether chemical or physical, doesn't always result in an inability to get hard. Maybe not as hard as before, but still hard enough.

Go and look at some tranny porn on /gif/, git! There's a bunch of trannies fucking dudes in the ass, a bunch of trannies fucking trannies, and a bunch of trannies fucking women, in addition to heaps of trannies with a huge, manly, hulking erection while getting fucked.

Sorry to ruin your delusions about soft smol uwu trannies. Those are anecdotal and the ideal, not the norm.

>>9935200
Bet
>>>/tv/101152147

is there not being any senior transgrannies and grampas due to the fact that in their time they didn’t “have” trannies meaning today’s supply is all nurture and not nature, or because they all kill themselves before 50?

>>9944563
I'm pretty sure porn trannies get off hrt to do porn. I remember hearing that dudes often have a hard time maintaining in erection in porn so add hrt into the mix and I don't see how that would work.

>>9933773
>Kinda chunky
Pic related, it's Kinda Chunky tryna b cute.

>>9944597
You operate under the assumption that all trannies are goody two shoes who take their titty skittles as ordered, while many of them don't have access, or self-med, and a lot can and will go wrong.

Get a load of this guy who blames his axe murdering on his titty skittles: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/crime-and-court/transgender-alleged-axe-attacker-applies-to-get-out-of-allmale-jail/news-story/e6a66a313264cdbdc5c4e5afdb9a2a39

>>9944563
>talking about tranny erections
You seem to know quite a lot about this subject. Get off 4chan for a while and go talk to a therapist or a counselor.

>>9942954
that's just them trying to get with the in-crowd (aka real ladies) by throwing the less fortunate under the bus. Blaire and Eden sell it better than the guy they're mocking but even they look strange despite wearing 100 lbs of makeup.

>>9943156
and yet here you are, bothering us all on this thread

>>9946608
If you are bothered by me exsisting than there isn't anything I'm going to do about that.