/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9972831
I think most rich Chinese lolitas are simply living through family money. That's not neccesarily a rule of thumb but it seems to be the case. It explains how most international students from China are able to live very comfortably without a job.

For tea parties, if you live already in Europe, it's not crazy expensive to go around. I've done 4 in a year as a student. Everything else though - l get the impression a lot of these noveau riche rely on family money.

>>9972835
This. Chinese nouveau (sp?) rich are clueless about money, and seem to have endless supplies of it. Even outside of Lolita, rich Chinese kids will wear head-to-toe designer clothing whether it looks good or not, just as a status symbol.
I miss Chinese Gossip, she used to give such a great insight in the the Chinese comms.

>>9972847
>>9972835
Do literally any of them make their own money? It seems like every single Chinese lolita is like this.

>>9972860
there def are non rich chinese lolitas, you just don't see them because everyone pays attention to the super rich ones who can do fancy photoshoots

>>9972860

This >>9972864, plus consider that taobao isn't even catering to Westerners. They're catering to other chinese lolitas who can't afford brand, don't do photoshoots and don't travel far out of China (because they can't afford any of that).

There's plenty of pleb working class chinese lolitas, but what you commonly see is already filtered -- chinese lolitas are on weibo, not tumbler or insta, chunks of the internet are censored in China so they can't even get on certain platforms.

I don’t actually see anyone who is like that? There are a few ways rich ppl act but no one does it all.

The Chinese hotels who love those MTOs do it for the status symbol but they aren’t really traveling. You don’t see many of those types at big events. It’s all just to look good for photoshoots. The few who leave seem to be the ones that are going to school in another country, which then makes them like the rest of the Chinese kids who never integrate with others.

A lot of people who do travel to big events have a good paying job and use their vacation days for these trips. Not sure there is a secret there

Anybody have the instagrams of the rich chinese lolitas? I only know a couple.

Off the topic of Chinese, as far as Westerners go, it seems like girls who can do that kind of thing are mostly older/established in their careers, so they probably have extra money to play with. I can only think of a few people under 30 who can do things like that. Most are over.

>How do the most rich in lolita make their money?
Well, I wouldn't actually assume your requirements for being "rich" are as rich as you assume them to be.
I would estimate a good standard for defining rich is top 1% of income.
There's two things that skew the numbers here, these people are younger, and I'm only selecting data for women.
On to the numbers.

Top 1% earners according to United States Census Bureau’s ASEC data for women in 2017, in USD
>25 and up (roughly)
140k+, 113k (tax)
>24-23
84k+, 71k (tax)
>22-19
65k+, 56k (tax)
>18 and below
45k+, 39k (tax)

Let's generously say they spend a quarter of their post tax income on lolita/travel and look at monthly budgets.
>25 and up (roughly)
2350/month
>24-23
1480/month
>22-19
1160/month
>18 and below
810/month

Those numbers mean blowing all of what should be disposable income into lolita and travel.
I would say anyone dropping more than an average of 1k/month is either not putting appropriate amounts away for savings, or their living expenses are being offset by family.
If they're in college at the time I would assume it's entirely family since the figures for disposable income for college students is much worse considering this is for the top 1% of female earners of that age.
If age wasn't so sharply defined for the hobby it could look different, but on average for anyone below 25 doing the "rich lolita" thing is probably being helped out by family.
Raising disposable income levels for the higher agegroups could be done, but they (as young high income women) are also the most likely to have large amounts of college debt.

Just be lucky and get the privilege to be born in a rich family. Rely on daddy and mommy's money and profit.

Sure wish I could mooch rich parents too

>>9972831
Sugar Daddies

This thread is going to get shit up by roleplayers, just you wait.

>>9972847
does she sill post on the cow farm? that shit was so fascinating.

>>9972886
That's not true. Chinese lolitas do travel a lot and they do it show off that they are sophisticated, interested in European culture and to show that they can afford it of course. They don't connect with the international community for the most part and rather do sightseeing stuff, take photoshoots in beautiful locations and share it on weibo with each other.

One reason western events are not attented by Chinese lolitas is also simply because it's not marketed towards them. You have to consider that a lot of their internet is censored and if something isn't advertised on weibo/baidu they most likely won't get notice of it because most of them don't use facebook etc. That one JetJ tea party this year actually had lots of Chinese attendees and that was also because of the marketing on Chinese social media and on the JetJ homepage in Chinese language. So tl;dr they will come to western events if you actully bother reaching out to them.

>>9972960
I can be real.

I only just started making 16/h where I work and I have about 18 main pieces after 3 years of of being in the fashion. Two are from Taobao because I liked the print/designs (and not gonna lie, I'm trying to get my hands on nameless poem, I don't care how basic and tired of it cgl is) and then I have one bodyline dress that I got when I was still poor as fuck to see if it would fit. It was like $20.

I bought dresses more quickly when I first got into it because I was in a hurry to build a wardrobe.

Now I go through phases and spend more time trying to give the dress I have more coord options than actually hunting dresses. I'm also running out of dream dresses to buy.

But that means I'm just reaching the level where I buy them NWT from the store.

I only consider myself rich in that I own lots of luxury items but I definitely don't make a ton of money.

>>9973018
16/hr is not a lot of money?

>>9972860
Tamie makes her own money and she has to pass some releases because of other recent purchases

>>9973054
This actually depends on age and if they work overtime or not.

>>9973054
I know.

I'm not saying I'm rich. I'm saying I own a lot of luxury items. I feel rich.

I'm not here to roleplay being rich but I'm still a lolita and I have a lot of nice things.

>>9973058
I actually do put in a lot of over time and I get raises pretty quickly where I work now because I'm just so damn good at my job.

It's paying off. Literally.

>>9972831
>the nouveau riche in China
Long story short, the export to the west increased a lot, and suddenly, a lot of business owners became rich. Their daughters and wives can now spend that money (or at least part of it) in whatever they desire, and lolita is a great way to show off. Japanese brands are often favoured by these people, especially special sets, because Japan is more expansive for clothes so it's showing off their wealth more. I guess that's what you get when suddenly a lot of poor to mediocre people become rich.

>>9972870
>chunks of the internet are censored in China so they can't even get on certain platforms
There are a lot of Chinese on these platforms (not talking lolita's, just general Chinese). They just use VPN. They are working on making VPN rules more sticked in China tho, don't know for how long it last.

Anyways, they don't even care about being on Western platforms. Their platforms work just as good, if not better. They are in Chinese (most Chinese aren't very good in English and see no reason to learn unless they go abroad). Most Chinese simply don't even care about going to Western websites as long as there is a Chinese version that works well...

>>9972831
Me and my friends make enough money to do this, but hardly post online for it to be obvious to the world. Just get a good career in a high paying field and live in a country that will pay it well.

>>9973111
Just as an FYI wealthy chinese (even immigrants) are the worst people to have to deal with in business. I'm so glad their focus on excessive flaunting and living at the edge of their means, all while treating the world as a giant casino catches up to them so often. I can't imagine dealing with their daughters is much more tolerable.

>>9973183
You know not everyone is born with the same mental health and intelligence and not everyone gets raised in a way that helps them finish school lol. You sound like one of those people who thinks poverty is because of laziness.

>>9973185
Imagine being this jelly. Westerners have rich families too, but the kids spend it on stupid hypebeast tacky fashion (birkins, supreme logo everything, those ugly gucci sandals). At least Chinese girls spend it on something beautiful, it’s a weird looking fashion and if they’re flaunting their wealth I’d much rather have them flaunt lolita dresses. But this is cgl where we would rather chase unworthy people out of the fashion and make sure Japanese brands don’t get more money so they go to China, who is throwing money at them, instead.

>>9973206
>least Chinese girls
Only lolita ones. Most of them spend all of it on supreme, adidas, gucchi or whatever.

>>9973206
you obvoulsy have never been there. you just described what normie chinese girls do vs what lolita chinese girls do

>>9973204
What's your point even? Anon's advice is generally good. If it doesn't work for you because you are stupid and crazy, go join a socialism forum and whine there. Nobody gives a shit.

>>9973213
''get a good career in a high paying field'' is retarded advice, try again

>>9973208
Yeah and we don’t even have the lolita equivalent of rich girls in the West, only poorfags who buy everything secondhand. I’m saying it’s nice they even exist, ultra rich who spend it on lolita.
>>9973210
I’m chinese but OK. Of course rich with mainstream taste is going to exist, I never said they didn’t. But not one western nouveau rich girl would ever get into lolita, ever. The culture is too different.

>>9973206
It's fine anon, don't have to be jelly because I profit off the behavior, I can still find it grating. Being deliberately ostentatious to rile average people up is rather petty. Risking the security of your family to do so is even more petty. It's a dislike for behavior, not wealth.

>>9973218
I'm Chinese too

>>9973067
But you don’t really? You don’t have a big closet and you don’t mention doing anything else. It’s like just above min wage where I am so you either don’t live in a big city or barely survive/live with your parents.

>>9973215
It's advice how to get rich, not how to get into the middle class. Even then it'd only be upper middle class tier, you need to invest well to get to rich tier.

I can't help you if you're dumb or mentally broken. I'm not sure why you think you should be rich for it.

>>9973242
it's like saying ''you should get money to have money''

>>9973243
Yes. You need to have money to make money. That's how it works. The best advice for you seems to be don't spend money you don't have.

Don't be ugly, fat, or weird and find a man with a good job. It's literally that simple.

When I think of rich lolitas, I think of Girlyhoot, Goose, and ItsVanillaBear

>>9973251
Social media has made people overestimate average income, so everyone is trying to keep up to an idea of independent wealth that sometimes doesn't even exist.

>>9973262
But how do you know what their real income or worth is when they put themselves in debt to impress other people on social media and take multiple 72 month loans on cars they shouldn't afford while renting a swanky apartment in the city that's being paid for by their parents?

>>9973006
>Chinese lolitas do travel a lot and they do it show off that they are sophisticated
>Chinese
>Sophisticated

>>9973215
No, it's good advice. I don't know why you think it's not. You probably think "eat less and exercise" is bad advice too.
You keep complaining about "bad advice" and I'll keep following it and doing well for myself

>>9973266
It sounds to me like you're associating with shitty dudes. Obviously don't get involved seriously until you know the details of their financial situation. If they're not willing to be upfront about it they're not worth having anyways.

>>9973067
If you feel rich don't let anyone tell you differently

>>9973054
It isn’t in the west coast of the United States. I make $20 an hour but that won’t buy you jack shit in California.

Man I wish I were born into a rich family.

>>9973273
You shouldn't have all your income rely on a man. That's stupid. Have some pride.

>>9973273
>It sounds to me like you're associating with shitty dudes.
I'd hate to MALE HERE but I'm talking about things I've seen people do. Peacocking by leveraging every last bit of future income and credit line possible is dangerously common these days, because people overestimate what average income is for their age group.

>>9973223
>Risking the security of your family
I don't think you understand how rich families work. The kids aren't just using their parents' bank account with no restrictions. They usually have allocated allowances just like normal kids.

>>9973284
Awww someone's ugly and jealous, kek

>>9973264
How is IVB even that rich? Military doesn't pay that well and she barely works

>>9973290
I'm talking about the head of family engaging in risky investments because they aren't satisfied no matter how much money they make. Or better yet, living paycheck to paycheck in a dual income household with an annual income over half a million USD because they have to show everyone else up. It's the men that do incredibly stupid shit to risk their security, not the children. It's part of the culture.

>>9973291
No, I've just seen this go very badly for many women.
Men take more risks which makes them better at earning in some ways, but it also means there's a better chance they will gamble their money on something stupid.
I've seen many men gamble life savings on some shitty stock that went broke.
That's not even taking into account the guy leaving you for someone younger which men also regularly do. Prenups don't always go well.
It's just dumb, dumb, dumb. Make your own money and don't be an idiot.

>>9973296
I'd rather not, thanks. I like staying home and shopping online all day. Enjoy aging more quickly due to the stress from your job.

>>9973295
a lot of rich people are definitely like this. it is never enough. they don't want to give high tips to poor people but they keep spending to impress other rich people who (they think) are richer than them. i think celebs also became way more obsessed with themselves because of social media. but they are in professions that require them to be extremely competitive.

I've bought my 150th main piece yesterday. I'm not rich, I just work night shifts, mostly buy second hand, never eat out, live at home and all my other hobbies are very cheap or free. After rent and savings, I still have about $1k disposable income every month.

>>9973303
Staying home all the time is fucking boring. I wanted to shoot myself the last time I was looking for work and was at home all the time.
I know some girls like you, and you can tell the husbands have some serious misgivings. Who wants to support someone who slobs around all day spending money she doesn't work for. That's crazy. Men can hire hookers for way less, and get a lot less baggage. What do you even talk to your husband about when he comes after working all day? Some drama on /cgl/? Some reality TV show you watched? Do you do anything of value ever?
Also, the girls I know like this, the husbands don't even make that much money. My husband and I make over $150k combined. This is a lot of money for vacations, dinners, and dream purchases. I don't care about aging, I can just buy plastic surgery lol.

>>9973185
>wealthy chinese (even immigrants) are the worst people
>excessive flaunting and living at the edge of their means, all while treating the world as a giant casino catches up to them so often
> Being deliberately ostentatious to rile average people up is rather petty
>Risking the security of your family to do so is even more petty
What you described as worst is my experience quite common with wealthy people who didn't make their own money in general, as well as people who suddenly made a lot of money because of luck instead of hard work (either mediocre business doing great because of luck with economical things like in China, winning a lottery, it doesn't matter). The only difference is that Chinese have more that do it with lolita, but the behaviour isn't really China related.

Also, in the end one can think it's stupid or nice all they want, but I honestly would love if I could spend that much.

Either way, it doesn't really matter if they are horrible people or not. OP asked how they got money, so I gave the reason. Otherwise I only noted that they can get on Western websites because multiple people argued they can't. Atm, the Chinese web-block is easy to go around. Know many (not extremely rich) Chinese who do. If these overly-rich Chinese are nice or not is irrelevant to that, so why do you reply to me (serious question. Just wondering why this related to me).

>>9973311
I have the same financial situation but my other hobbies are expensive. For some weird reason I also get stressed when my closet is so big I feel like I can't wear everything enough. It's overwhelming for me.

>>9973313
You think you're so much better than me because you have a ~career~ huh? I'm not bored and what I do has value. I cook, I clean, I care for my child and do 100% of all the errands. When my husband gets home he doesn't do shit except eat dinner and relax. I do everything for him outside of his job and he appreciates it by buying me whatever I want. Most men would rather have someone like me than like you,lets be honest.

>>9973204
The only thing to add to >>9973183 advice would be to not be too sensitive about strangers. Caring cost money, as it either makes you choose things that make you less, or allows people to screw you over. If you're capable of not caring about strangers, becoming rich is going to be more easy. If you worry about how others end because of your actions, becoming rich becomes a lot harder. There is a reason many rich businessowners are assholes if you're no use to them and they don't know you.

>not everyone is born with the same mental health and intelligence
Lives unfair. If you're too stupid to play your cards right to become rich, only luck can help you further. Deal with it. No feeling bad for idiots.

>not everyone gets raised in a way that helps them finish school lol
I made debts to get food and clothes when I was a kid, and I didn't even learn how to cook, let alone to finish school. Now I have a steady income and am doing university, paying it all myself, and I'm working to get further up. Having a bright future ahead. If I'll become rich, I'll try, but I'm still working myself up. So far it's looking good and things go like planned. But as someone who grew up among the poorest of poorfags I can tell you the best way to stay poor is blame being born poor. Work your ass off, play your cards right, do what you have to, take matters in own hand (in a way that actually benefits you), use the system in your advance (there are enough holes to use). There are ways out, to get to the top. Those who just complain stay at the bottom. Those who harden up, take being poor as a learning experience (lot's of life lessons), the can come out of some of the richest.

>>9973321
That's not true unless you live in a very old-fashioned area. Most men want their wife to work full-time and also do all of the chores, cleaning, errands and parenting.

>>9973321
Lol, ok. Most of those things can be accomplished by some Mexican woman being paid $5 an hour. But I'm sure you're super valuable.
Also, taking care of kids ages you like nothing else. How did you go from relaxing and shopping all day in a stress free lifestyle to taking care of kids? Pick one or the other. If you're taking care of a kid you probably work way more than I do, unless you're one of the lazier SAHMs, which I'm honestly not sure from your posts. Either way you couldn't pay me to be in this situation, whichever it is.

>>9973322
>If you're too stupid
>No feeling bad for idiots.
I mean there are people who are higly intelligent but do not have the brain to plan ahead and such. You are both just stating the obvious btw.

>>9973054
No, it's not, but when you live with your parents it's a lot.
Not judging anyone who lives with their parents btw, I rode that plan till the wheels came off.
Ty for your honesty. I feel like 18 pieces is a good balance. I've noticed a lot of people get 40 dresses but they look like shit because they don't have the correct accessories, I feel like having 11-20 main dresses is enough to be able to coordinate in unique ways and manage to afford decent accessories, while not spending your life away on materialistic goods.

>>9973325
You could have just said "most men are garbage," anon.

>>9973309
It is always some chinese college kid driving around an older Quattroporte wearing Gucci. They take the flexing to the extremes. It's very prominent within their culture because there's so much new money coming out of the country, and much of the "generational" wealth hasn't even passed hands yet. I deal with wealthy people a lot, but you just could not imagine the stupid shit I've seen the chinese do compared to everyone else.

>>9973332
I don't blame them. My dad and brothers are all like that. Their parents encourage them to be like that.

>>9973266
This is a funny survey. I know this is a negative outlook, and I'm even finishing university soon, but I don't expect to ever be financially secure. I'm also not american, so maybe that's part of american culture?

>>9972831
I'm from an upper middle class family and have a nice boyfriend. Both are responsible with money. I also have a part time job (I'm a student). I've been into the fashion for a year or so, my wardrobe is worth about 16k- 2k from bf, 2k from me, rest is from family

>>9973266
So how many people were surveyed, five? I'm pretty sure most millennials plan on killing themselves long before they reach retirement age

>>9973321
Don't bother defending yourself, I wish I had your life. I love my bf but I make double the income he does and have to take care of him a lot.

>>9973326
It's not that hard to do all of those things. Obviously I only spend some of my day on leisure activities, and I spend some taking care of my responsibilities. Women have been able to juggle all of those things since forever. It's only recently that ladies starting complaining about how it's SO HARD to be a SAHM, and it's mostly because a) they weren't taught how to do it, or b) they are tired of career hags like you taking about how lazy they are.

>>9973335
Yep. I blame my boyfriend's mom for this crap.
It feels like letting him off the hook but I just say let's get a maid and each pay for half the cost.

>>9973347
>blaming the woman

>>9973335
how come you grew out of it but your brothers didn't?

>>9973330
>higly intelligent but do not have the brain to plan ahead and such
Then you still do something thereby wrong by a lack of being able to do something that's imho quite basic and should be learned if you're not a natural at it. And if you want bad enough, you can learn, especially if you're highly intelligent. It's the fact people give up when it's not easy enough for them and then complain about how it's everything but their own fault, instead of keep working to get where they want, that keeps them down.

Some people will never be rich. But it's not because there are no ways for them. It's because they don't do the right things. Some people just aren't good at knowing what those things are, some people are too nice to do them. But no matter what the reason is, they had options, and they didn't take them.

When you grow up poor it's a lot more work and effort, life's not fair, it's a fact, but it's not impossible. All poorfags I grew up with tend to either have worked their way out and atleast got somewhere decent (generally not rich, but decent and they are happy with that, so don't want to do the work for rich. Which is fine, personal choice/preffernce. The way to the top isn't always positive in every way), or became either hookers (or other shitty jobs) or live on depts and support funds because all they did is cry about how unfair life is, instead of playing the that unfair game in their advantance and doing what they had to do. There is a clear pattern in behaviour.

And apperantly, it's not that obvious if you look how much people complain about circumstances and make stupid choices knowing it's dumb but at that point they just want to for whatever reason, instead of do something about the situation.

>>9973346
>Obviously I only spend some of my day on leisure activities, and I spend some taking care of my responsibilities.
Yeah.. so.. I do that too.
If you're doing all that stuff then that's quite a different story from sitting around all day shopping. We have more in common then, just different career choices

>>9973351
>you can learn
There are literally different chemicals and part of the brain that make you able to plan ahead, be aware of the passage of time in general and organise your shit. You can't just get brain surgery and fix that if you're bad at it. You can take pills to soften some of it I guess.

>>9973326
Nayrt, but creating ~value~ for shareholders is not this wonderful and amazing thing. It's just soulless business as usual. You're reducing your personal value to nothing but a number in an earnings report. I do commend you for your hard work though, keep it up champ, I need those dividends.

>>9973321
Look at how viciously the childless attacks you anon, this is the hallmark of deep personal dissatisfaction with their own life. Don't let them get you down.

>>9973353
>There are literally different chemicals and part of the brain that make you able to plan ahead, be aware of the passage of time in general and organise your shit.
And all of these can be trained. No need for brain surgery or pills to do that. Just effort and the willpower to not give up after the first failure.

>>9973355
You can train chemicals and change the shape of your brain?

>>9973354
Dusting and cooking casseroles is low skilled work. If you think this is valuable I feel sorry for you anon. You must be one of those people who think housewives should be paid $200,000 per year because they "do the work of eight people"

>>9973356
Are you really this dumb? You can train any skill you can mentally posses. It's a fact. Of course you don't train chemicals itself as they are no living beings, training your brain just means that if you practice enough, you can learn to be good at skills your no natural at. You'll never be world champion if there is no talent, but you can become good at them. And that can be enough, especially if you have other things you're good at you can use.

And yes, actually, you can technically train part of your brains to do tasks they normally wouldn't be able to.

Believe you can't all you want, and blame mother nature for your falure as much as you like. I'm stating facts. If you rather ignore them and cry, good luck with blaming the rest of the world for your problems. In the end, even when it's someone elses fault, if you don't fix them yourself you're still the one who's fucked, not them. There won't be an endless amouth of nice people who do it for you. And those who's fault it is probably did get better out of it, to refer back to the "don't care too much about others" part of tips to become rich, because it nicely illustrated the point there: "The more you can fuck someone over without a care, the more easy it becomes to make money".

>>9973358
Being able to do simple tasks every day while staying motivated and keeping yourself from being bored is great. I could be peeling potatoes 8 hours a day and I'd be happy af thanks to my ability to amuse myself with my own thoughts.

>>9973362
I'm not talking about myself lol. I'm talking about people with ADHD and such. They can keep trying and use pills but they'll never be good at it and it'll always cost them more energy, so in the end the pay off is not as good as it would be for you.

>>9973333
Tell us some stories, please? It’s relevent to the thread.

>>9973366
I have ADHD actually, among many other problems that are worse. It can be done fine, it's more about learning how to deal with it and finding a way that works for you. Doing things the "normal" way doesn't work most of the time, but there are ways to make it work. Often, I found it can even work in my favour if I use it nicely. And then I don't mean abuse it as an excuse, but for example using that enthusiasm and energy in speeches and pitches, in a way that makes other people enthusiastic for whatever I'm talking about.

>>9973369
Are you also Chinese?

>>9973370
not even close

>>9973358
It's sad how you think value can only exclusively be about money. All the extra hard work you put into the company is probably going to end up as another handbag for some shareholders wife or mother. Their interests are actually conflicting with yours, since they want you to do your job with as little pay as possible. Did you know that? Also if you think men just want another source of income for a partner you would be so very wrong. Men want to feel responsible for things, and having a wife and kid to bring home the bacon for is actually very satisfying for us. It's not your fault for thinking this way though. Sorry you fell for it.

>>9973368
I will anon, it's just gonna take a while to write up so I make sure I get everything right. I already know which three events are worth recalling for the thread, I just need to verify with an old coworker which option play a guy we knew used in order to lose ~3600% overnight on.

>>9973372
>Men want to feel responsible for things
Best joke I ever read here on CGL.

>>9973369
>energy in speeches and pitches
what if you have add

>>9973375
Sorry you have shit taste in men

>>9973375
I know it could be hard to imagine not everyone here is an /r9k/ crossboarder that wants to live like Peter Pan for eternity, but you'll just have to trust me for now.

>>9973378
I don't even have taste in men, anon. Don't project here kek

>>9973313
>men dont want a stay at home wife

lel, good joke. Most men can't afford it, there are plenty that would like to be the breadwinner of the family and have someone raising the children.

>>9973372
>value can only exclusively be about money
You can value other things, but it won't pay your bills and dresses. In the end, money is the value that matters on scales bigger than a personal level.

>>9973376
Then obviously you don't use the energy in speeches and pitches? It was just an example of how I personally use ADHD in my favour.

Like I said, it's about finding a way that works for you. Most likely, it won't be the "normal" way of doing things, and that is fine. Just find something that works. If it can benefit you, even better. But as long as it doesn't hold back anymore you're fine. There are way worse things one could have than ADD. ADD is quite common, and a lot of people with ADD live their lifes just fine. Everyone who has any kind of mental or physical disability handles it differently, and what works for one doesn't work for another.

Getting further than "what works for you", the fact that many people with ADD live their lives quite well in a way that works great for them, and examples of myself or people I personally know I can't get you. You'll have to find it out yourself. Can take some time and effort, but if it's really holding you back it's worth that I would say.

>ITT bitter poorfags

>>9973372
Anon, I never said value is only about money. I wasn't specific, but you extrapolated it. Let me explain.
In a broad sense, value is about interests, skills, hobbies, interactions with the world and observations of the world. These give people a rich background and character. People who are lacking in most of these things, aren't the most interesting people in the world to know. They have limited experiences, and just not much to share. Their opinions aren't worthwhile, because they have no experience to draw on. Most housewives, SAHMs, and to some extent trust fund kids fall into this category.
Growing up, my mom was a SAHM. She took care of me, and the house. My dad didn't make a lot of money, but they thought it was a good traditional arrangement. At first, my mom put in a good effort around the house, cooking, cleaning, and had some hobbies like painting.
This all changed as time went on. She dropped most of the hobbies in favor of watching soap operas, daytime TV, and reality shows when those came into existence. When my dad came home from a hard day's work, he usually had some interesting stories about people from his job or things going on locally he learned about. My mom had a lot of stories of drama from Dr. Phil and Oprah.
Cleaning also stopped happening. She'd wax on about how hard she'd worked all day, and was exhausted, could my dad find time to vacuum? It's the least he could do, his work ends when he comes home but mine never stops... however, I was at home, and observed her doing fuck all most of the time.
My dad was getting tired of hearing about Dr. Phil. The woman he once loved had basically no life at all. Nothing to talk about. Worse, she became resentful of him. It was HIS fault she was cooped up all day. HE stopped her from living her best life. None of it was true. But when you're home all day and don't have anything better to do, you know your life sucks but aren't motivated to fix it, you start thinking this way. (1/2)

>>9973399
(2/2)
But that's just my mom, right? Growing up, I'd tell people my mom was a housewife, and got enough "oh.. ok" responses to cotton on to the fact it wasn't that interesting to anyone else, either. But as time went on and the world got more feminist, saying "my mom's a housewife" started getting me inspirational speeches about how that was totally OK and valuable work, albeit in a way that made me think it really wasn't.
But still, there must be something to it, right? I kept hearing about how housewives were unappreciated, thanks to Dr. Phil. They did tons of work and raised the next generation. They did invisible work, often the work of caterers, event planners, and chauffers, all at once. They were homeschool teachers, and their kids loved them and were flourishing.
I got older and started meeting more of them. Some of my friends ended up in situations where they don't work and the husband does, but don't have kids. Some had kids early. Virtually ALL of the women I know either started or became very, very similar to my mom, with husbands that ended up similarly resentful. I never met any of those super housewives who more than pull their weight and loving hubbies that loved being providers. The ones that retain their hobbies and are interesting. I know they're out there, and maybe the other anon is like that. I just know it's not something I have seen personally.
Then there's stories online.. I won't go into that. You can believe them or not, but I realized men were saying the things I suspected my father felt all along.
So that's what I mean by value. Do what you want with your life, but don't be lazy. Don't have this starry-eyed vision of what having a wife at home means because I highly doubt it's going to look like that for you. If you want it to, you BOTH have to be on the same page and work for it.

>>9973350
it is her fault, though. When we stay with her she grabs all the laundry and does it. When she stays with us, she hand washes all the dishes (we have a dishwasher). I asked my BF and he said she has always been like this.

I'm not trying to let men off the hook. Obviously, they have the power to grow out of this shit and just don't because they benefit from exploiting women.

>>9972835
>>9972847
my university has a lot of chinese international students - one of my lecturers (chinese studies) was talking about an interaction he'd had with a student from Shanghai who was wearing a $40,000 watch that his father had given him 'just because'. so yeah, if you can spend the equivalent of a house deposit on a watch for your kid for no particular reason a few frilly dresses and tea parties would be nothing.

>>9973399
>>9973400
>>9973372
NAYRT but I want to add a little story.
My mom was a housewife as well. I thought it was great. Dad earned enough, and mom was always there when we needed it. She cleaned the house, picked us up from school. If we where sick, she took care of us.

Then out of nowhere, no one expected it, my dad admitted he cheated on my mom for the past few months and wanted a divorce to marry the other woman. No one expected this, but he went.

My mom's education was too old. She couldn't get a job because her education had became worthless and she had no experience for so many years. She could not get a new education because she had no job. The jobs she could get where lower than alimentary + goverment support. She was stuck, we became poor. Life sucked ever since until I got out of house. I have a debt with the goverment to pay my study, no contact with my dad, and bad contact with my mom.

That could be you. My parents seemed to get along as lovable as always. Their marriage seemed so stable. And even when your man is perfect and stays, something could happen and he dies. What then? Can you fix it all? I can tell you, when you're a kid who can't join popular things all the time, can't go on school trips, can't have anything, you'll be bullied all the time. "money doesn't make happiness" is true, but the lack of money will do the opposite. If anything happens to your man, can you, if not for yourself then for the sake of your kids, sustain the whole family of a decent income? Or will you have some old education that became irrelevant with time, and no experience? Will you have to life on the kindness of others?

Honestly, I love the idea of someone always being there to take care of you like a housewife for her kids can, but it's a very risky way to go. Because there is a lot that could go wrong that you can't control. It's an old-fashion concept, from a time divorces where uncommon and family took care of each other times of need.

>>9973407
she didnt take half his shit in the divorce?

Is this the new blog sharing thread?

>>9973235
Did you even read the thread that I was replying to? I mentioned my situation because anon said they didn't want to read about roleplayers talking about how they totally have 100 pieces and they'll never sell and every day is drinking tea and buying accessories.

>>9973411
He took all income. Income of a one-earning family isn't big enough to have savings for education or other big things. Just enough for things like "buy a new wash machine if it breaks". Taking half wasn't useful in that sense. We got child support, but it wasn't much. Us living with our mom costed more than we got. He was supposed to pick us up, but we didn't want to go ourselves anymore because of how he acted.

We could keep furniture but there wasn't something of worth, so it was only useful for the fact we didn't need to buy new ones. My mom also got us (the kids). My dad had money for lawyer, and we didn't, so disagreeing with terms turned out doing nothing.

We could stay in the house until we found a new rental one (officially), but he managed to screw us over and forced us out. If it wasn't for the company selling our house also doing the rental in our area, and pulling a house out of sale for us to life in we would life in the street. (His version is my mom refused to rent a new house because it was nice he payed the bills, when in the meantime he just bought a new house for him and his new wife and decided afterwards he didn't feel like paying our house even when the waiting lists for rental houses are huge so we could only wait to get a house, so again he suewed us to force sale which got settles after they removed that house from sale).

And I'm not even American. But our lack of money, and the fact he did have it, and that he was a manipulative asshole who didn't mind screwing his own ex and children over because he seemed to want to act like it never happened and have a nice life with his new life made it all possible. He even acted like he was the victim in it...

My mom is still living poor, and my younger sister is still living there as well. Childhood was hell. And if my mom would have kept at least a partime job, she could have taken care of us because she would have had experience and still be relevant.

>>9973344
>my wardrobe is worth about 16k- 2k from bf, 2k from me, rest is from family
show pics of wardrobe, roleplayer

>>9973326
hahah, holy shit. Please do not just pay some Mexican woman $5 an hour to watch your kid... that's how they either get kidnapped or abused.

I really hope you don't have kids and if you do I hope you are actually skimping on their care.

Fucking hell.

>>9973428
I'm really sorry this happened to you, anon. This is why I try so hard to be self-sufficient.
My mother never has to experience this, and I'm glad.. but it could have happened easily. She has confessed to me she would be totally lost without my dad. I doubt she'd get much money either.
This is why I argue back when people say oh, just marry rich. Even my mom tried telling me to marry a rich guy and stay at home, when staying at home was clearly causing her problems. But I want to be self-reliant. I don't feel I can ever trust anyone better than myself.
My husband actually has a good income. But if something happened I could support myself and not take a serious downgrade. That is a good feeling.

>>9973346

Wow you sure sound pleasant. At least I contribute to society and not overpopulation.

>>9972831
Rich husbands.

See: Kate

>>9973264
Being obnoxious on social media doesn't mean you're rich.

>>9973321
Where do you live, anon?

>>9973321
Do housewives have friends? I always wondered this? If you're inside with kids all day where do you go to socialize?

>>9973484
What does Kate's husband actually do, though? I don't really follow the K8 saga.

>>9973364
This is the saddest thing I've ever read. Reminds me of when I took a factory job at 17 and it was just sorting strawberries for 9hrs. You're just alone with your thoughts and ugly strawberries.

>>9973057
She was born into a very rich family though. Do you not see her multiple Birkins and other designer goods?

>>9973264

I've met VanillaBear. She has a very princessy aesthetic but she is not rich. Not by a long shot.

>>9973430
I'm not even rich though
Won't do an entire wardrobe post but I'll humor you a little

By the time anyone can make enough money to be 'rich' on their own they're past the age where lolita fashion looks good on them.

If a young person is wearing lots of very expensive clothes then chances are good they bought it with money they didn't earn themselves.

Of course there are outliers, but in general that's how the world is.

>>9973111

>VPN and platforms

Anon, that's the point. It wasn't about China and their internet, it's that cgl only see a small section of Chinese lolitas, precisely because they'd have to work out how to VPN, get on our platforms and be willing to deal with English.

>>9973344
Last bit was my plan, but I have cats to take care of before then.

I have about 80 main pieces, but I am definitely not some top 1%/nouveau riche.

I am, however, an academic at a fancy top rank university, so a lot of luxuries like traveling, hotels, and fancy dinners are handwaved away by my department. Just as examples, in the last month I have both returned from a monthlong trip to Europe that was funded and booked a $1000 dinner for me and 4 others on the department’s dime.

But in terms of my actual income I am like most average plebs here in the US. I try not to spend more than $400 or so a month on lolita, though. Saving money and being financially stable is a great thing, yooo. I’ve collected my pieces over around 8-9 years, which goes a long way to explaining the amount.

And for science: I seem to remember that one of the apparently well-off lolitas from the LJ days, OctaveKitten (American who has been around to European events and tea parties frequently; she’s got a great wardrobe as well), is a chemist.

In the world of the extremely wealthy, lolita is meager stuff. It's nowhere near the price of actual designer goods, so I don't think you can think of lolita in terms of how the extremely rich can buy it- it's small change to them.

I also don't think it's very hard to save up and collect it even if you're not super well-off. Of course, if you're younger and or don't have financial support, it's a different situation, but if we're talking about comparing it to how much people spend on fast fashion or normal clothes, it's not that crazy. I accumulated a large-ish wardrobe in a pretty short period of time, despite being a student and working part time (and to be fair, didn't pay rent at the time), because I stopped buying clothes that wasn't lolita. Of course, fast fashion is cheaper, but someone's probably prone to buy more of it and treat it in a more disposable manner. And mid-range clothing in a department store is pretty comparable to lolita prices. It helps if you're not chasing after the newest AP release all the time, too; buying cheap secondhand was a godsend to me when I had a tighter budget, and now I'm a little more picky and might opt to buy one new dress instead of three used ones just because they happen to be cheap. I'm not well-off and I kind of have a shit job in an expensive city, but it's not impossible to accumulate large wardrobe if you kind of forgo some other stuff.

>>9973333
>>9973372
I was curious about why I hear Chinese are the worst and just fell down the rabbit hole. Holy hell, people loathe these Chinese tourists that suddenly have a bit of money to see the world. Pic related from r/ChineseTourists.

If they act like that normally, what do they act like at tea parties or in stores? I'm not talking American-Chinese, but the actual native born Chinese.

I only know the story of how the Chinese lolitas would just throw a bunch of their cash onto a single credit card and rack up spending, causing AP to lay down the law. The Chinese cried over that and acted like it was ~racist~, but you can't just toss everything onto a single credit card and ignore when a company has purchase rules.

>>9973333
You can always tell new money from old money.

>>9973632
I've been at tea parties in NY and LA where a couple of native Chinese lolitas have been at, never had a bad impression. They tend to stick to themselves and not talk to other party-goers, but they're not loud and obnoxious or anything. I also went to school with a Chinese lolita, she was nice, the only thing that happened that was questionable was she wanted to buy this ultimate dream dress off of my friend, and when my friend asked for what the going rate was at the time, she acted like it was way too expensive and that she could get it in China for cheaper, which made it weird because it felt like she wanted a discount for being slight acquaintances or something. I worked in a touristy area for a while, and really obnoxious Chinese tourists came in all the time, but from time to time I'd see Chinese lolitas and I've never had any trouble with them. One came into the store regularly and I followed them on instagram, she's pretty interesting and does cool art.

>>9973632
People are just the worst all around the world. I'm sure you can find stories just as bad about British tourists. They even make TV shows about them.

>>9973262
I'm dating a wealthy man in his 20's but fuck I feel bad using his money and he doesn't like it either.

>>9973006
I work mostly with Chinese customers in a very famous European city. Let me explain how almost every Chinese person travel: they do that in big groups (30-40 people in every group) and they travel around Europe in just one or two weeks. That means they stop by every big city for just a few hours. A fast pic in front of a famous monument and then they spend the rest of the time shopping. They don’t try to look “sophisticated”, they just want to buy things at convenient prices (with the tax refound is even simplier).

Also, I have two kinds of Chinese lolita customers at work: brandwhore lolita always with their parents (they pay for everything) or taobao lolita (with less money).

>>9972842
you realize that nouveau-riche and family money are mutually incompatible concepts right

>>9972895
Lmao this is fucking laughable. Learn the difference between income and wealth please.

>>9973637
then stop fucking doing it if you both dislike it???

>>9973407
>>9973428
Your mum decided to play housewife for the wrong man then. Marry richer than living paycheck to paycheck w/o saving obviously.

>>9973559
THIS

>>9973658
Nayrt but I thought that nouveau riche means that the person OR their parents/family recently stumbled into wealth. most nouveau riche Chinese people I know have parents who became rich recently (like past decade) through skyrocketing real estate prices. The kids can still rely on the parents for money

This thread has me shitting myself in fear. I graduated from university with a good degree in a crap subject. If I still lived in a city I could find a job or get a master's degree, but I agreed to move somewhere remote with my partner for two years for his job. We are planning to move back to the city in a couple of years so I can pursue further education, but these two years are looking like they might screw me over for life. Finding a job here is very hard, everything is either longer term than I can commit to or won't hire me because I lack experience. It looks like finding real jobs online is pretty much impossible, too. I had started to think that maybe I could do the home maker thing, but I don't want to rely on my partner and get left high and dry like the moms in this thread. I feel like my life is rushing past and I'm quickly becoming unemployable. Fucking hell

>>9973671
Sorry forgot to say: my lolita closet is mostly gifts from parents or bought with a small portion of a large inheritance I recieved. I haven't earned it, and while don't care how any else buys their lolita, I am a bit disgusted with myself for this.

>>9973661
But I need to buy my dream dresses???

>>9973679
Lmao you don't NEED to buy them, especially if you are leeching off another person who has expressed they don't like it to do so

>>9973660
>Learn the difference between income and wealth please.
This was done to show how rare it is for younger people (in particular young women) to be independently "rich", and that people who assume that they are just successful all on their own don't know how little early adults tend to make. Pretending the same idea of "wealth" applies to people below 25 and middle aged dual income households is laughable. Very few have "wealth" starting out in life as a young adult unless it was given to them, so income alone is more important for the group. My point was to prove that even for someone young with high income, the audacious levels of spending OP had mentioned can't be done safely on their own. Let's be real, blowing that much of your income on frills early in life is not how you become "wealthy", and it definitely won't make you "rich".

>>9973264
Girlyhoot isn't rich, she blew all of her inheritance on brand and begs for money on instagram. And for some reason, people give.

>>9973553
Thanks anon; I'm just sick of people claiming things they can't back up on here. It's really easy to just tell lies and be like "I have 250 main pieces and gulls are so jelly lololol".

Cause that's what these threads usually are.

Advice? Save. Work hard and save.

>>9973553
Did you pay retail for CTP?

>>9973664
There was a lot of saving, and we wheren't living paycheck by packcheck. Schooling is just very expansive here. It's already rare kids go to university without loans unless you are very high class, and adults can't get the loans kids get (which have very low interest and very good terms as far as loans go), so it's even harder to get the money. We are literally tought to never get debts, beside for houses or schooling because it's an investment that almost no one can pay themselves. We did not live poor untill my parrents divorced. We where average mid-class people.

>>9973451
Yeah, I think being self-sufficient and preparing for the worst is important. I'm doing well now, but it's because I took care I do. Think that's an important skill to have. It's nice if the worse never comes, but you can't be certain, and you don't want to be fucked if it does. Thinking marrying a rich guy and assuming you can for sure get money no matter what happens is stupid if that means you're not gonna have any back-up plan to get an own income when needed.
>tfw people can actually marry for love and not just money, and still get rich. Seems nicer than marrying a guy for his money imho.

>>9973686
Then anon’s advice gets overthrown.

>>9973607
>can't even get on
>they can, but most don't even care enough about it to do so
>different thing is the point now
kek

Multiple of the bigger/longer around Chinese TaoBao designers life in Europe anyways. But those are the ones that don't do that much about interacting with the comms anyways. Beside reviews and releases they don't really follow or participate much online. It are mainly the new popular "lolita is mainstream fashion" kids we hear, so even on Chinese social media you get a not entirely correct view.

>>9973294
Her family is rich, not her husband’s. Isn’t her dad in tech?

>>9973632
>as curious about why I hear Chinese are the worst and just fell down the rabbit hole. Holy hell, people loathe these Chinese tourists that suddenly have a bit of money to see the world. Pic related from r/ChineseTourists.
>If they act like that normally, what do they act like at tea parties or in stores? I'm not talking American-Chinese, but the actual native born Chinese.
>I only know the story of how the Chinese lolitas would just throw a bunch of their cash onto a single credit card and rack up spending, causing AP to lay down the law. The Chinese cried over that and acted like it was ~racist~, but you can't just toss everything onto a single credit card and ignore when a company has purchase rules.
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> Anonymous 08/20/18(Mon)09:44:37 No.9973633▶
>>>9973333
Chinese locals in my country complain about tourists as well. It's not that they are people who know no manners. They know them at home. Most Chinese don't seem to care because once they leave they never see you again. Impression is unimportant and fun is. This is also why many emigrants or people who wish to interact more often are just normal people.

>>9973634
Many Chinese lolita's who go to tea parties want to do so often, might run into you again. Of course they wouldn't be rude.

>>9973636
Gotta agree partly. The Chinese are very known for it, but for example Americans are also very known for it where I come from (Mainly for being loud, fake, uncaring, egocentric, rude, and try to force the whole world and any company/service resolve around them when it doesn't, getting in peoples personal space, and being so outgoing it become obnoxious).

There are a few cultures where people are just either louder in general, or louder when other opinions won't affect them. But it's not like all Chinese are like that, or it's only the Chinese. I think it's partly cultural differences and partly assholes being everywhere.

>>9973617
She is a chemist, I believe she works in pharmaceuticals? Those are extremely well paying jobs. I’ve always thought she was cool

>>9973658
Not if the parents are the ones who became nouveau riche, anon. It’s daddy’s new money instead of great great grandpa’s old money, but same difference

>>9973671
>I don't want to rely on my partner
He needs to take responsibility for taking you away from good employment. If it's not worth it, why don't you go back to the city?

>>9973671
Why are you surprised that finding a fun job in a village is hard? Towns are literally dying all over the world because young people have to go to the city for employment.

>>9973803
I'm considering it very seriously. Problem is, I love living with my partner and really don't want to go back to being long distance. Also, moving back and only then trying to apply to higher education or jobs wouldn't make much sense. My plan was get a temporary job for now, apply for stuff next year, and then when we move back I'll already have things in place so I'll able to work or study. I still think that plan is OK other than the temporary job-finding which is going badly.

>>9973808
I'm not surprised exactly, just... Disappointed. But you are completely right, I was too optimistic about what it would be like.

>>9973839
if you're looking for an internet job there's camming

>>9973559
Not really. See first paragraph of >>9973619
It's not like this fashion is expensive. It's definitely doable with the correct career choice straight out of college.

>>9973619
>In the world of the extremely wealthy, lolita is meager stuff.
I completely agree. I have no idea why people think younger women cannot afford lolita on their own. A $300 is not expensive. Even a $600 dress is not that expensive if you're working even a $15/hour job. Angelic Pretty is not Alexander McQueen.

>>9973553
>mint honeycake
>cats tea party

Money can't buy taste

>>9973799
>same difference
No anon, not at all.

I come from family money and have a really large wardrobe that I've collected pieces for throughout the span of 8 years. I have a job, sure, but it's basically me just clocking in a few hours a week and dicking around on my phone. My family has oil land, and is comprised of mostly private practice doctors, heads of hospitals, people who work in the natural resources business, and major university staff.

I don't buy a lot of those 600+ MTO pieces though because it's not my style. I prefer stuff like cream cookie collection, misty sky, mcd, etc. I have a few but I'm a lot choosier about them because I feel like there's a lower standard with them, that it's automatically assumed that chinese lolitas will grab it up for clout. Lolita isn't my only fashion hobby as I collect designer stuff as well, and have always had an interest in high fashion.

desu, I highkey think chinese well off lolita are trash though. I can tell that it's pretty much just a pissing contest for a lot of them because their families are newly wealthy. Sure there are some that carry themselves with class, but that number is ridiculously low and out of the high number of chinese lolitas like 90% of them dress like fucking trash.

>proof pics of some of my pieces so i don't get accused of larping out of jelly or whatever ridiculous excuse someone would come up with

>>9973331
I get why people are assuming I live with my parents but I don't and I actually pay rent and live with my boyfriend who only just recently bought me a dress for my birthday. I've bought all my other dresses.

>>9973264
IVB is not rich by any stretch of the imagination.

>>9973878
I bet you don't actually own anything designer

>>9973878
>I have a job, sure, but it's basically me just clocking in a few hours a week and dicking around on my phone.

Anytime I walk into a place and see shit like this I know I can get away with taking advantage of a company.

Thanks for being lazy trash, anon.

>>9973884
Lol anon

>>9973885
I don't work at any retail place, I "work" handling finances for a family company, and by handling finances I mean writing my signature on a few pieces of paper

Stay jelly

>>9973884
Words can't hurt me, these shades are gucci.

>>9973889
I have those same glasses. Good taste!

>>9973889
>I "work" handling finances for a family company, and by handling finances I mean writing my signature on a few pieces of paper
Things are so similar for us anon, but so very very different at the same time. I think I'd want to die if I wasn't constantly working though.

>>9973894
Thanks! They're pretty much the perfect pair to wear with my style of pink sweet. Bless alessandro for pandering to my outlandish style.

>>9973896
I don't just waist my day away though, I'm actually productive. I just don't have to put a lot of effort into earning my own money. Instead I do things like volunteer my time to the elderly, I have a soft spot for them after being raised by my grandmother. Or I work on projects like writing children's stories for my younger family members.

But admittedly other than things like that I mostly just travel or try and learn about new subjects for fun. I always liked learning about things like the weather, geology, paleontology etc. and now a lot of my time is spent into researching it.

>>9973900
waste* embarrassing desu

>>9973632
>what do they act like at tea parties
Stab bread rolls with a fork or knife to eat them

>>9973054
That depends on the state. That's a really decent amount by Ohio's standards.

>>9973321
Most men are trash, lets be real. You just managed to get lucky.

Lol this thread is shut.

>>9973954
spot the poorfag who's so upset they can't even spell.

>>9973671
One thing you can do is start your own business. I've noticed a lot of people doing this, and it works.
I don't mean like jewelry shop on way, but some kind of consulting, e-commerce, whatever is related to your skills.
You don't have to have many clients. You can find people willing to pay $10 for your skills on freelancer and say they're clients. Set up a nice looking website for a couple hundred bucks.
No job will ask you many details about how much money you've made. It shows you've been busy the past couple of years. It doesn't have to be successful or anything at all.

>>9973958
Don't reply to me thot

>>9973977
>>>/r9k/

>>9973900
AYRT, think I've seen you post before in other threads.
>volunteer my time to the elderly
>writing children's stories for my younger family members
That's really sweet of you anon.
Jelly because the younger parts of my family just call me a creepy uncle and they don't actually understand what that tends to mean.
Otherwise I'm like the /fa/ version of you. Strange.

>>9973900
Anon, you seem extremely nice and cute, I wish I had a friend like you. I hope good things come your way always.

>>9973900
No offense, but none of that sounds productive.

>>9974027
I'm sorry you don't think volunteering time to help those in need, spending quality time with your family, and expanding your knowledge and education even past college or any official schooling is productive. Can you tell me what you think is productive?

>>9974019
Thank you anon, I hope good things come your way too.

>>9974003
How old are the kids? Usually up to a certain age all it takes to win them over is a "wow" factor. Like, the older cousin who dresses up like a princess and can make them their own personal fairytales/stories about them exploring space is like the most bad ass thing ever to younger kids

>>9973726
You're welcome anon. I didn't want to make anyone jelly, I just wanted to answer OP's question

>>9973739
No, it was around 3x retail

>>9973869
Thankfully I don't wear lolita to please other people. You shouldn't either

>>9974030
Volunteering for the elderly does nothing except make yourself feel good. Same for your "quality time with family". The items you're researching have very little value unless you were actually making contributions, but you need a degree for that, not at home research. Try something that will actually contribute to the development of society.

>>9974043
W e w this just seems like you're upset that I don't have to work. If you really don't understand the value in volunteering and helping out others fine, if you really don't understand the value of trying to help give others a good childhood and encourage creativity fine, but you arguing that trying to continue education past college is useless is hilarious. I listed a very limited number of subjects I am interested in. But if I listed them you'd just whine about how learning is a waste if you aren't enrolled in college.

>>9974047
Don't feed the troll anon.

>>9973218
>But not one western nouveau rich girl would ever get into lolita, ever.
K8 and IVB come to mind immediately. There definitely are western nouveau riche lolitas.

>>9974053
k8 wasn't rich at all senpai. she got like 20,000 from her dad based on the amount that she says she had to pay in taxes. that doesn't make someone rich

>>9974030
Those ones are only about to become teens. I have some concerns me dressing up as a princess would do little to help for being called a creepy uncle. Even the cousins closer to my age treat me like an uncle, so I don't know any of them very well.

>>9974043
You sound like a fucking bugman anon.
>Volunteering for the elderly does nothing
You can always make more money anon, but you can't ever get to spend more time with your family once they're gone.
>Try something that will actually contribute to the development of society.
Yes, get me those sick shareholder returns anon. What a very meaningful life.

>>9974061
I never said it was a bad thing, just that it's not productive. It's useless trying to include it in her argument of

>>9974047
I didn't claim such a thing. It's the particular research you've chosen that is useless. Keep convincing yourself that you do something for the world though.

>>9974067
If the business or family wealth was large enough though, she could actually spin it into a nonprofit or donor advised fund. Her family could use it to contribute donations free of capital gains tax by contributing securities, and reduce their effective tax rate. Would that be productive enough for you?

>>9974068
Keep being upset that people have different values and definitions of productive that don't exclusively fit into your cold view of the world

>>9974047
>W e w this just seems like you're upset that I don't have to work
Wow - you really don't get it. Why are you bragging about helping other people? If it's not to make yourself feel better you wouldn't be here gaining attention and brownie points for all the helping you do for society.

Shut up.

>>9973879
Ah, good for you then! I wish my bf would surprise me with dresses but I know he'd just end up buying me some milanoo tier shit.

>>9974163
Stay salty.

>>9974073
No, because the work is the same.

>>9974123
I'm not upset, I'm simply stating you're not as useful as you seem to think you are.

>>9973900
Well anon, I'm a little jealous.
If I didn't have to work I would still want to work. But I'd love to do more stuff like this without having to rely on a job for money
I think I'd be able to spend some time researching interesting things. Volunteering too.

>>9974170
I mean at least she tries to make other people happy which you apparently don't do because it's useless to society

>>9974163
Where was she bragging about helping people? If anything she was subtlebragging about not having to work much. Simply stating that you volunteer isn't bragging.

>>9974053
>K8 and IVB come to mind immediately. There definitely are western nouveau riche lolitas.
Not even close, though. Their wardrobes are pathetic compared to the big Chinese spenders. I mean multiple colorways of dresses and new releases out the ass, constantly. An extensive usakumya collection is also required.

>>9974215
To be fair, they are actually able to order them at the exclusive tea parties. We have to pray we can line up a ss.

>>9974185
oh please.

She's saying it like, "But I do things! I volunteer and help people!!"

>>9974327
She was accused of being lazy because she has family money and doesn't need to work, and went on to explain she doesn't waste her days doing nothing. Reach harder.

>>9974239
I get where you're coming from but when you're rich enough, obstacles don't exist for you. They can pay people to shop at whatever teaparty in the world for them. Or buy it secondhand at any cost. They also don't seem to be bound by MTO 1 item per customer limits, either.

>>9973878

Out of curiosity don't you want to do something to enrich yourself and provide insurance against possible destitution? Later on in the thread you talk about helping older people. Since you have so many connections in the medical field isn't that an opportunity for you to do more? Family money can dry up in a second too. You worry me because you remind me of my cousin who also is from (lesser desu) family wealth and in the same situation - she's getting pushed out and her income from being a CNA isn't going to sustain her lifestyle. Might as well flex those connections and get into health admin or tech if you don't want to go the doctor/nurse route.

>>9974061

>>9974215
This! There was a Chinese girl in my comm that posted pics of her wardrobe to Instagram and it was two full rooms that looked like a brand store stuffed with dresses.

>>9974043
>volunteering for the elderly does nothing
No?? That's the stupidest thing I've ever hear of. It helps tremendously and it contributes to a very vulnerable part of our society that deserves help. You must think people who work at soup kitchens and donate to charities just "do it to make themselves feel better". They couldn't possibly do it to help people in need so that their community and society gets strengthened.

>>9974367
What's her username?

>>9974215
>>9974053
The idea of Western lolitas even coming close is a joke. No one does things like "every single Bless from Michael release ever". Next to no one does one MTO, much less alternate colorways of the same order.

Can someone also calculate how much this picture is worth in yen?

>>9974383
Less than a Ferrari.

>>9974367
Please post them! I've been searching those pictures for months but couldn't find them again thanks to insta's shit algorithm.

>>9974383
Going by the prices on Baby's site and not calculating any shipping costs, $7678.30 in USD.

Realistically speaking, I could buy 1 per month and be perfectly fine budget-wise. In my last job, 2 in a month would be fine with what I was making. But all at once like this? Nope. I'd just collect them over time. That's the western hobo lolita way of doing things.

>>9974043
>Volunteering for the elderly does nothing except make yourself feel good.
Healthcare is being cut in money. Elderly aren't even washed and brought to the toilets in time, because of the lack of nurses because of the lack of money. Volunteers aren't allowed to do nurse tasks, but have to do them anyways because someone has to. By now, volunteering to help the elderly is basically being a nurse for free, with all the responsibility and dirty work, and half the time not even an actual nurse to keep an eye...

If anything, it's one of the most productive things to do nowadays.

>>9974215
>>9974383
I know one guy who's into lolita and does this and I think he's born here (he's Asian but I think his family has been few generations here). He thinks lolita is cheap anyways. He's really nice tho, but not much on social media.

It's so weird that some people in this thread act like anyone can become rich and the rest is just lazy or stupid. Were you guys brainwashed by the American dream? It's not like society has endless money. You need a huge amount of people to be poor in order to be rich. Btw, helping the elderly for a few hours doesn't make it okay that your family has been hoarding wealth for generations, and benefitting from that is not cute.

>>9974406
When you put it into perspective do we know these people got it all at once? I own more than 7k in my wardrobe but I wouldn’t be able to spend that much at one time.

>>9974422
>some people in this thread act like anyone can become rich and the rest is just lazy or stupid
>You need a huge amount of people to be poor in order to be rich.
>helping the elderly for a few hours doesn't make it okay that your family has been hoarding wealth for generations
You sound fucking salty. No one said it's about just not being stupid. It takes planning in front, and doing the right things. The thing is that 99% of the people are too nice to play their cards right to get money, and a lot of people don't even want to be rich, just have enough money to live a proper life. Becoming rich isn't that hard in itself. The thing mainly stopping us is our own feelings. Because indeed, to become rich, you need to make others poor and not give a fuck about it. If you feel too bad for them, you ain't gonna make it that easily unless you're lucky.

Also you're acting like everyone is either rich or poor, while most of the people are middle class and are doing fine. You're statement
>hoarding wealth for generations, and benefitting from that is not cute.
Sounds like you're just a butthurt poorfag who wants the whole world on an equal income no matter how good their are, what they contribute, or how they behave. Because I know from experience that getting from poor to middleclass is quite easy if you stop complaining and actually do something. Unless you life in an underdeveloped country or something like that, but then you have better problems than rich people on 4chan.

Also, did you notice most people on this thread is quite mixed between poor people, middle-class people, people with above average income, people who are middle-class and used to be poor, and many other backgrounds? Or where you too busy with getting mad at them saying you can earn money if you do it right that you just assumed we're all richfags because one person said they come from money?

>>9974440
People literally said that in this thread. If you didn't, my comment is not about you.

>>9974422
>Stop being rich!
The poor will always exist no matter the type of government. Thinking otherwise is starry-eyed idealism at best and dangerously delusional at worst.
>You think anyone can be rich
Depends on the country, your work ethic, what your profession is, etc. but yes, honestly. You could be comfortably wealthy if you make effort, is more how I'd put it.
>Rich people create poor people
You sound like one of those people that believe being too happy sucks happiness from others.
>It's not ~kawaii~ to hoard or be wealthy
Are you in the right fashion? Lolita is all about excess and luxury. Give me your wardrobe if that's what you think. You don't ~need~ lolita fashion, by your standards.

>>9974440
>to become rich, you need to make others poor and not give a fuck about it
This is entirely untrue though? Yes, money is very loosely a zero-sum system, but only a small handful of companies are doing the equivalent of robbing people blind. The largest company in the world is Apple, and nobody is forcing those customers to buy iPhones.

>>9974440
You actually sound way more butthurt than her.. I don't mind admitting that I'm bitter about rich people though. My dad lost his job in 2009 while his boss lives on an island and does not work at all. The company my mum worked for went bankrupt because the owners (who only got there because of family) were retards who didn't actually know how to run a company. Most people became less wealthy in the past 10 years despite planning and working hard.

Anyway, luckily you do not need to be an asshole that takes advantage of others in order to afford lolita. You can have a nice wardrobe with a normal income.

>>9974472
Why are you bringing up government?

>>9974473
I think she means companies that don't pay their workers well or something? Like if your company suddenly becomes super profitable, you should just give yourself a wage for the work you did and invest the rest back into the company. But instead of that a lot of people buy a private beach and basically retire while still paying themselves a wage.

>>9974479
>companies that don't pay their workers well or something?
Well, I don't think companies want to pay six figure salaries to hire millennials with meme degrees. Does that make Starbucks evil? Or is the college system at fault?

>>9974481
I mean do you think the owner of X brand should be a billionaire while the clothes are made by slaves?

>>9974486
Stay salty. Where I work people do not get paid at all in the first 6 months. After that they get replaced by a group of new people for 6 months. It's called internships.

>>9974486
>think the owner of X brand should be a billionaire while the clothes are made by slaves
Well, if the company is ran by a complete idiot all those "slaves" won't have a job when the business goes under. Very few people are capable of running a multi-billion dollar business successfully, which is why they are paid so much to begin with. Also yeah it sucks that people can run a company to the ground and still live a life of luxury, but they do end up losing huge amounts of their own money when it happens. It isn't their doing if the difference in quality of life is negligible between leaving with 40 million or 50 million in assets.

>>9974490
You really don't know shit about businesses if you're this naive lol

>>9974383
That's just stupid though. Just why.

>>9974491
Do explain then please.

>This Thread

>>9974493
Multiple people have given examples of rich bosses who do not actually put in any work but you keep pretending they deserve to be paid that much.

>>9974497
If you're at the executive level, unless you have option swaps as most of your compensation, then large amounts of your pay and net worth are driven by performance targets or holdings in common stock of your company.

What if you run a successful business, pay yourself a living wage, and also pay the people that work for you a living wage why do people actually want to be billionaires?

>>9973321
>I care for my child
>spends $100 on frilly cutie sissy clothes

Parents with hobbies are degenerate, anon.

>>9974504
So much for being at the admiration of men evil women with jobs lul.

>>9973321
>tfw you'll never be the perfect housewife of a rich and good stable man who value his family and your hard work to make him comfy.
On that matter I really feel I've been cheated by feminism, now that salary cuckery is mandatory for women too.

>>9974504
it was nice to learn how to knit from my mother.
A great way to bond and to learn stuff.

I guess she could perfectly teach to her daughter how to dress and coordonate. Being able to dress in a flattering way is pretty useful IMO.

>>9974527
Feminism made sure families can't afford to live with 1 full-time wage anymore?

>>9974527

>cancer causes cellphones

>>9974545
>>9974549
>Double the available labor
>Market value for labor halves

>>9974473
>Apple, as example of companies not being bad to people to gain money.
You mean the company where workers collectively jumped of the roof, and then their solution was to span a net around it instead of making working conditions better? That company that makes phones super cheap, and then sells them really expansive after putting in so much marketing to brainwash people how "amazing" their products are?

Nah, can't be they tread people badly because they are nice at their customers (read, their income).

It's not that you need to tread your direct customer bad. It's that 99% of the cases, companies who become rich and don't start like that are not so nice somewhere along the line. Rarely the customer base, they complain too loud and are your income. It's more often how their tread their employees and their ethics that aren't nice.

>>9974578
It's the government there which allows workers to be treated so poorly.
Which goes back to my earlier point of working with wealthy Chinese being horrible.
The phones sell like crazy in China too, so as a culture they must not care nearly as much as you do.
If you disagree with the business practices you have the choice to not buy products from the company.

>>9974473
Not nice can be a lot, here are a few examples from lately:
>overcharging people just because you get more money, not because it's needed to have such profits
>making things seem way better than they are, hyping them up with media, which is basically abusing the unkownledge of customers
>bad work environments for your employees
>treating customers badly
>very profitable (for you) terms of service/terms of sale, as people agree blindly 99% of the time
>hiring people when things go worse, costing them their jobs and income, instead of using the therefore made reserves which companies should have
>selling information to third parties
>when people complain about a product, do your best to get them of your back even then the customer is right
>hiding bad stories from the public
>fraud (no matter tax fraud or product fraud)
>using your already there money to change the system for more money (like big companies making deals with the goverment, after which the goverment cuts corners somewhere else because of money storage)

Like really, every dime you get, someone else doesn't get. So the less you are willing to give to another, the more you can keep yourself. And if you can take from another, that'll cost that other person. The question is, how far will you go? If you are good at it, you can get away with almost anything. Often, the line between legal and illigal is the way the story is told, and the exact small nuances how you play the game.

Also, I also said:
>If you feel too bad for them, you ain't gonna make it that easily unless you're lucky.
It's not impossible to become rich while being nice to everyone. It just stops being easy, and actually, is fucking hard and rests on a lot of luck. Finding the right people, being in the right places, at the right times sort of luck.

>>9974500
>why do people actually want to be billionaires
Because they can buy and often even do whatever they want that way?

I mean, don't kid yourself, rich makes life more easy in most aspects. As billionaire you could do whatever you want, no matter if it's working all day and living your life like other non-billionaires or big vacations all over the world and doing nothing all day. You can buy that fancy car or a normal simple one or both. You don't need to worry about money ever again, and just do what you like.

Or you could work because there is not enough money if you don't even when you don't feel like it, and have to look at the money to make sure it's properly divided between stuff you need and stuff you want.

The only thing against it is that you need to be careful people won't befriend you just for money, but on the other side, people befriend poor people just to use them to get money so being careful who you trust is an issue everywhere, and rich people can handle the possible damage more easy there too. Is that really a hard thing to understand the pro's of having money in a money driven society?

>>9974579
Of course the Chinese don't care about other Chinese. Their government teaches them not to or they get screwed.

>>9972831
Congrats on that master bait OP.

>>9974579
I was just pointing out that Apple isn't a good example of companies being nice to people and still becoming big and rich, not stating my own opinion on it. They use the laws in China very gladly even if it makes people kill themselves. Because they value profit over those lives, which is a good attitude to become rich.

Then they sell us the phones top notch price while they are actually only mediocre, by brainwashing people into thinking it's the next best thing on the market. And then people buy all of it once again, so they can be cool and fit with the crowed of people thinking they are great and having cool stuff. Because Apple doesn't care about your wallet unless it's going strait to them. And they treat customers well because they spend, not because they are so nice.

Honestly, I could give less shits about Apple. I don't even care about their business pratices. I was just saying that Apple isn't an example of companies being good to people and still becoming rich, but if anything, makes the point of "not caring about others makes it easier to become rich" stronger.

>>9974588
You're saying people in the rest of the world stand up for a rando getting treated badly when it's not their fucking problem?

I don't think it's a Chinese thing to not make other peoples problems your problem.

>>9974596
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Wang_Yue

>>9974596
>I don't think it's a Chinese thing to not make other peoples problems your problem.
But in USA/Euro the government acts in the interests of the workers when possible, in China the government sides with the corporations.
Honestly it's not like I take trips over there to push the workers out of the window myself.

>>9974587
You can do all those things as a millionaire

>>9974553
I think you need to re-open your history books

>>9974579
You have a very bleak view of the world if you think the government has to make even more rules to keep people from killing themselves

>>9974614
>But in USA/Euro the government acts in the interests of the workers when possible
Hahahahahaha

>>9974619
You must not have any idea how terrible things are in other countries for wageslaves.

>>9974621
Yes I do, it's one of the reasons I moved to Europe

I'm one of the few people in my comm that regularly buys new releases and MTOs. The one secret trick is that you have to spend all your money on lolita instead of saving it.

>>9974629
Thank you for your honesty anon. It's well appreciated.

>>9974621
Nope, Americans think they deserve $15/hr to flip burgers and bag groceries. And if they're not getting it, they throw a big entitled fit.

>>9974709
No, some people are demanding 15/hr because a 'living wage' doesn't exist due to inflation.
Raising the minimum wage exacerbates the issue, but if you ask any wageslave why they can't get past the glass ceiling, they'll attribute it to higher expenses and having to work two jobs to make ends meet and not earning enough.
American businesses have a high wall of red tape to get over, which is expensive, and to the ends of getting over it the employees under them suffer for it.

>>9974589
>sparking a discussion is bait
God. What is it like to be so fucking dense that you can't even tell when a conversation is happening and not just MEMES?

God forbid we go into a fucking topic.

>>9974383
>No black x iris

What a loser haha

>>9974492
Do you even wear this stuff??

You can wear a cut you love in every color?? Like hell yeah I want to achieve that someday.

>>9974814
Yes I do. I couldn't possibly want to wear the same dress that many times in that many colors. Maybe if it was for your bridesmaids in your wedding, otherwise it makes no sense to me and I do own a few colors of the same dress.

>>9974836
You literally do the same thing and you still don't get it?

wow ok.

>>9974840
How is that the same as literally every colorway. I don't like the fucking rainbow. Exercise some restraint, my God. It just makes you look obsessive.

>>9974709
You're really ignorant about why people need that 15 dollar wage and what inflation even is. Why do you think people could purchase some things for only a dollar or even quarters many years ago? If people don't have the minimum wage raised, they literally will not be able to live. It has been in a slow, creeping decline for the past 3 decades where there must be small amounts added to just to compensate. Even with the most extreme budgeting, a lot of people will have to take two minimum wage jobs just to get by.

>>9974805
iirc, that was a later release. I'm sure this Chinese lolita bought it or any other Bless from Michael's since. Bless is truly the Holy Lantern of BtSSB.

>>9973669
>>9973799
"Family money" is never one generation old. Even if a minor's parents stumble into money, that's still nouveau-riche. "Family money" takes generations to attain, since it's in part a status as well as a figure.

>>9974383
I have a friend who has at least one piece from every misty sky release including the brilliants.

>>9974850
What do you think the cause of inflation is? Do you think it just happens by itself? Raising the minimum wage will only make rich people richer by playing into their corruption.

>>9974492

That's why the photo circulates, anon. Poorfags look at this and think "this is stupid" because they're also thinking "If I have to choose between spending my limited budget on a full wardrobe or 13 colours of the same dress I'd have to choose the full wardrobe because I'm poor and my funds are limited."

This photo is presumably posted by someone who can easily go "why no both a full wardrobe, every colourway of every release, plus a house big enough there's entire halls of closets to store a thousand dresses that's like 5 colours of every release instead of buying one set per release, an overseas education and travel every week, and still enough money left over that they never really have to work at all". I mean, it's only stupid if you know for sure that the girl who posted it has no other dresses, is living on unemployment benefits and regularly skips rent to buy pretty dresses, so far this looks like she's one of the fuerdai who won't even blink at dropping $10k on one designer handbag, let alone $7k on 13 solid dresses.

It's supposed to be about excess, not saving up like a poorfag. Which is its own problematic issue, but girls who spend money like this and end up with 1000-piece wardrobes are keeping the brands afloat while the rest of us scrimp and buy secondhand, so I can't really find it in me to hate them. Thanks to them the brands are still making releases every week and I'm still able to buy new dresses secondhand.

We've already had brands close down. If people are willing to drop money on owning 13 dresses of the same colourway then props to them for propping up the market.

>>9974432

Nayrt. Baby doesn't release 13 colours at once, each release is 4-5 colours but there are also single-colour re-releases, limited edition runs. It's not a dress that goes cheaply though, prior to this photo/rereleases the secondhand price is close to retail. So I'd say she did spend $7k, but spread out over a handful of years.

>>9973321
I do all of these things too, but I'll admit that my child is a house plant and that it's low maintenance. I still support myself, travel around the world, shop, and explore new interests. It makes my life more interesting, I meet new people, and I encourage my boyfriend to do the same. I don't ever want him to feel stuck or stagnant with me. I want us to grow together.
>...my husband...doesn't do shit except eat dinner and relax
Oh, cool. He married his mom. Seriously, it's fine if you're happy with this. I'd be happy to be a SAHM if I had a kid, but as soon as they get older and more self-sufficient I'd be getting a part time job and gaining skills to re-enter the workforce full time. I like having complete control over my own funds. Don't ever depend on men 100% of the time. They're human and make mistakes, I run into guys like this in my travels and I always feel bad that their wives don't realize they're flirting it up with other women and usually with bad intentions.

>>9973514
I always wonder this too. A lot of women my age have children and if I invite them out to drink or eat they immediately start talking about how they have a child and could never go. If I ask their husband, they always say yes and show up without their kid.

>>9974947
I get paid minimum wage and I can buy a new main piece directly from brand almost every month...

>>9974968

Yes, but western lolitas often chose not to.

Like another anon says, hobo western lolita buying secondhand is our usual way.

>>9974800
>richfag vs poorfag shit for the 100th time
>blogposting
>angry screeching on all sides
>baseless assumptions about asian lolitas for the 100th time
>completely off-topic ranting
>Discussion
Congrats on your master bait, OP.

>>9975003
That's because more western lolitas are in it because they like the fashion and want to buy pieces they like. with chinese lolitas they use it as a status symbol and just buy up new shit like crazy

>>9974913
I would add that "family money" isn't strictly about a certain amount of time or generations, it's about family wealth surviving market turmoil. Old money is more reserved about their wealth because they have experienced the good and bad financial times in their life, and structure their assets so they can survive a collapse. New money on the other hand just assumes things can only keep getting better and the ride will never end, so their wealth vanishes when things go just a little bit worse than expected.
In regards to the stereotype of the rich asian lolita, if the chinese economy has a crisis all those lolita dresses will be sold for pennies on the dollar because it's overwhelmingly from new money families. So nobody should be too salty about it, because it's all very precarious.

>>9975022
you sound mad about being poor

>>9974947
No, I think it's stupid because they are treating clothing as disposable. The big brands don't need to be coming out with a new release every week, the Chinese are turning them into fast fashion.

>>9974614
>Honestly it's not like I take trips over there to push the workers out of the window myself.
No, you support companies who pay one Chinese guy to make other Chinese people work so hard they jump themselves...

Indirectly, you're doing the same thing still. It's just more indirect so it's much more easy to care less...

Also:
>But in USA/Euro the government acts in the interests of the workers when possible, in China the government sides with the corporations.
I don't know if you follow the economic news, but big companies have a say in politics in Europe and USA as well. They just make deals behind the medias back and are much more sneaky about it, and keep problems caused by it out of media. Because they have money, and media is very biased anyways. Instead of making it bad, they make tax deals, or slowly get systems in their favour, after which governments say things like "else the big companies leave for cheaper countries", or "there is not enough money, we need to lower the cost, can't afford it anymore". But funny enough lowering costs is rarely touching companies. When they are caught doing something wrong, an apology is often enough, no need to actually pay or get any kind of consequences.

Companies in the west are more sneaky than in China, but they aren't much better lol.

>>9975060
What exactly gave you that impression?

>>9974947
I'd buy new releases if the quality wasn't shit anon, so sick of ugly clipart prints & gaudy costumey shit. Lolita never got better for me than its sweet heyday, loving snapping everything I had a passing fancy for back then for under 100 & only new releases this year I bought have been socks unless you count leur getter & emily temple cute which are cute & wearable but not strictly lolita. Lolita been dead since the mid 2010's for people like me. The chinese can prop it up all the want & brands can keep spewing out cheap ugly crap catering for them.

Before why u mad poor- I'm in my 30's own my home outright & in business with my husband and no, I am not outing myself by posting my fucking wardrobe room.

>>9975022
You're reading a tone in some of these posts that isn't even there.

>>9974845
>obsessive
And having a big closet doesn't?

It would be nice to hear about Western lolitas instead of speculation about the Chinese, damn.

>>9975085
damn what is a run on sentence

>>9975063
>treating clothing as disposable.
They can because they are rich.

>The big brands don't need to be coming out with a new release every week
How long has AP been doing that though? For awhile now right.

>>9975085
shut up roleplayer.

>>9975063

All of the colours came out over a handful of years, this one girl decided to buy and then hang on to every single one for that handful of years.

That's not really disposable? It's not like she bought all 13 dresses at once (which isn't possible, because Baby only releases max 4-5 colours at one time, and some of the rereleases have duplicate colours), wore it, then threw it in the trash after one season, which is how fast fast fashion is (I mean, it's not called fast fashion if it's not fast).

If anything, having photos like this encourages them to be hoarders -- it's no longer impressive for you to drop money on 4 colours from one release, so if you want to have an impressive collection you also need to spend time and energy keeping track of re-releases and limited edition versions of "your" collection dress. Which is far more dedication than some girls put into their entire wardrobes.

For this post in particular, there was a long blogpost accompanying it listing what the differences between different releases are, she said that she figured it would help other girls decide which version to hunt for secondhand. Again, that doesn't sound like someone who is strictly into buying "disposable" stuff for the status.

>>9975058

Yeah, but that still means western girls just don't spend money on brand enough to be quite as profitable. They run on money, not on noble intentions.

So if the chinese girls are supporting them then I say let them.

>>9975106
Bitch please, If you can't handle anonymity go back to tumblr.

>>9975104
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

>>9975113
Hoarding is the same as disposable fashion in my book. You wear it once (maybe), then hold it in your closet only to say that you own it rather than throwing it away. They never intend to wear them. It's simply to collect to brag. Just like fast fashion, get the trendy item, then never wear it again. Either way, rampent consumerism isn't good for the fashion.
I think you forget that profits don't need to be excessive for a company to survive. They never raised their prices in the first place for inflation so that money had to come from somewhere. Instead of opting to raise prices, they lowered quality, outsourced and followed the trend of constant new collections to make ends meet.

>>9975118
I never came off anon?

Sorry I'm skeptical of anons coming here and saying they have a wardrobe room.

Post some dresses or live with the fact that no one has to believe what you are saying.

It's anon for fun and you can come here and just make false claims all you want but that doesn't make it fucking so.

>>9975190
There are multiple people who posted several sought after dresses in this thread. Usually you don't get people backing up their claims, and in this thread there are several. What more do you want? Do you want anons to fly you out and give you a house tour?

>>9975126

I've seen fast fashion richfags, anon. You'll find last season Chanel clothes in their dumpsters every season, because they'll be wearing the newest release and not bothering with last season's clothes. Rampant consumerism doesn't bother hanging on to one particular cut hoping that the brand re-releases it in another colour so that they can brag about it, out of all the solid dresses btssb has released she just got lucky that the one she hung on to was the they kept re-releasing in multiple colours. iirc this girl had worn photos, so she definitely wore them rather than leave it sitting in her cupboard.

Besides, several anons pointed this out. It's only $7k for the whole rainbow, not a single $10k designer bag, not a ferrari. So far as richfags go, it's not even impressive, except to frilly poorfags.

Which brings us to our next point. Lolita isn't even mainstream. And western girls aren't just not buying firsthand, the poorfags and newbies are buying taobao instead. There's fairly heavy competition, it's not that brand didn't raise prices out of some noble intention, but rather they seem afraid to do it in case they're left with no customers. Sheglit and Putumayo has closed, anon. VM is next. I don't know where you're getting the idea that they're somehow swimming in so much excessive profit that they can afford to snub chinese money.

>>9975193
You're being so defensive, roleplayer confirmed

>>9975204
>XDDd ur a role player

Nice try, keep being jelly

Middle class, never got Lolita as a gift, no rich bf, decent sized wardrobe of both mildly expensive dresses and cheaper casual lolita/otome clothes working part time while getting my masters
Who can rel8? I feel like you're either swimming in it or poor orphan child in these threads

>>9975212
That's not the demographic this thread is trying to discuss ya retard

>>9975210
Why would I be jealous? You said you run a business with your husband for money, that's pretty average to me.

>>9975212
>feel like you're either swimming in it or poor orphan child
It's because you're either late teenager to college student, or have a degree/career. So yeah, that's fairly accurate. Demographics anon, they matter.

>>9975198
It's still hoarding as I said. And at a point I'm sure it was to collect more of different colors. I doubt it started that way. It's not impressive, I agree. I'm trying to explain why I think it looks stupid. Even if she had good intentions, it appears like mindless consumerism and encourages such behavior since the photo circulates without explanation.

>Sheglit and Putumayo has closed
Now you're really reaching. Sheglit is not closed. No idea where you're getting your information. Putumayo died because punk is pretty dead, really its surprising it lasted so long. VM had other reasons for closing being management related.

Brands could definitely raise prices especially since the Chinese attitude toward Japanese goods is that its just better, so they will continue to buy. Instead they are lowering quality and churning out new items for them to eat up.

>>9975214
That's not me you walnut. Are you really trying to say everyone on 4chan who responds to you is the same person? that's insane

>>9975204
Really playing up those new meme arguments

>>9975198
Sheglit closed down??????????

>>9975220
No. Anon is just wrong.
>https://sheglit-store.com/

>>9975216


Whoops, meant Excentrique rather than Sheglit. My bad.

I still think you're the one that's reaching with automatic negativity against any kind of large wardrobe owned by chinese girl, but at this point I'm pretty sure you'll simply shake your head and say collecting looks like hoarding looks like fast fashion looks like rampant consumerism looks like bragging looks like a bunch of other things you want to shake your head at.

I don't like the brands catering so much to Chinese tastes either, or lowering their quality (and they have raised prices, average dress from AP is now $300-ish, used to be $200-ish. They only still keep the same pricing for re-releases).

But I view that as a whole seperate issue from complaining that anyone with 14 colours of the same dress is stupid, an idiot or whatever, and I think it's racist to assume chinese girls are shallow show-offs.

Still, I feel like you'll cling on hard to your prejudice, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this topic.

>>9975241
Maybe true anon. But it does. I don't like encouraging that behavior. You're assuming I think this about all Chinese girls though which I don't.

AP's prices have raised by 1800 yen at most comparing print with print from 2010 to now. They are still all under $300 USD unless you're looking at their OTT/ long /special dresses which they haven't done before. But AP is a poor example anyway since they've always outsourced. A better question is why do they feel the need to churn out release after release? Is it not for the Chinese demand of it? Or has the company itself gotten greedy and wants to maximize profits? Either way, the rich Chinese are fueling the fire and it seems to be the case for the other brands as well.

>>9975326
A company wanting to maximize profits? Who would do such a horrible things?!

>>9975438
Sigh

>>9973753
thanks for being a responsible, independent and rational woman in a sea of bickering, mooching and abhorrent selfishness. reading your posts ITT was very fucking refreshing

new thread >>9976864

>>9974853
I'm a dork and must have been thinking of gathered chiffon, can't find any limited edition colorways or anything in bless

>>9975085
Lolita was expensive AF in the early 2000s, everything was the same price it is now (300+$ main pieces) and Meta was one of the only brands with an international store.

I was not about to pay $350 to get a tartan princess or scallop pocket jsk so that's why I waited until the past few years to get into lolita. What we call oldschool sweet was very cheap secondhand a few years ago but when those same pieces were originally released they were very expensive. The lace is high quality and the cotton is thick and nice

Your viewpoint is very newfag or larper

>>9973054
No, that's barely above minimum. As long as you're not a Filipino here as a TFW you'll never make that little

>>9973399
I want to give an example too. When I was dating my husband, he expressed that the life he was interested in was being a house husband, take care of kids, take care of the house, and all that. And I thought this was fantastic, because I want kids, but I enjoy working too.

We got married, and so far, this plan is working out great for both of us. He has hobbies that he keeps up with. Kids can disrupt that, because honestly, it's very difficult to plan time-intensive hobbies that you can't put down in the middle of your work around kids. I don't know what your mother was interested in before you, but my husband has lots of housewife friends who fell into only having TV shows that require no brainpower as a hobby because that's the only thing they could maintain around small kids. Something that can be consumed 2-5 minutes at a time and doesn't require mentally keeping track of complex plots.

We talk about the game design problems and decisions he's run into. He tells me about some medical research paper he read today, because he used to work as a medical researcher. I'm incredibly grateful to him and love him more than ever. And having a dedicated stay-at-home parent to take care of kids is INVALUABLE when it comes to how much extra support the children are getting and how much time and energy it saves me.

I also think it's entirely reasonable that if he shouldn't sacrifice all of his free time just because his job is unpaid. So we have a division of labour, instead of him doing everything. He makes food? I clean the dishes. He puts away groceries? I haul them up from the car. He cleaned the bathroom? I vacuumed. Housework becomes much less of a soul-crushing chore if you're doing it together as a team and treating it like playing a cleaning-based video game. And it teaches the kids that everyone in this household has to pitch in to keep it maintained. Instead of everything being solely daddy's responsibility.

>>9974948
They hang out with other moms. It doesn't take significantly more energy and time to watch 5 kids as opposed to 3, so it's very efficient to pool everyone's kids together, and then hang out.

>>9975241
Did you forget inflation exists?