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10224594 No.10224594 [Reply] [Original]

Get it off your chest and hail MC Melod¥ Doll

>> No.10224597

I'll go first since I started the thread.
I refuse to sell something for less than I paid for it. I often get really good deals on stuff that doesn't suit my wardrobe all that well, so I tend to mark it up to the actual market value or a little higher and sell it on. Maybe this makes me a reseller, but I don't sell much, I rarely have over 10 listings up at a time.

>> No.10224612

>>10224597
I never sell anything for more than I paid for it. Partly because I feel like clothes should go down in value as they're worn, but mostly because my taste is just oddball enough that there's not much demand for my items, so I wind up having to drop the price in order to sell them.

I'll confess, I'm a bit jealous of your ability to turn a profit.

>> No.10224616

I think sissy's are legit hot and I do not protest their inclusion in lolita.

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>>10224616

>> No.10224620

>>10224597
I do the same. Not a reseller or scalper, but someone who spots a good deal, buys it, considered wearing it or wears it once, then passes it on for actual going rate which is more than I paid. But my taste is flexible enough and I have enough accessories that I can coord most any dress to my style so I buy & wear what I can get a good deal on, not from a list a dream dresses or only a very specific look. I’d rather give something to a friend (I’ve done that 3 times) than sell for cheap. It’s like giving money to a stranger.

And now Buy Mo’ Brand is stuck in my head

>> No.10224621

I haven’t sold anything in over a year and it makes me feel like a hoarder even though I wear every single item. Sometimes I wish I had events to wear more ott things to, but I want the confidence to wear my bonnets, horns, or veils out and about like I do any of my things.

This feels more like a feels post but

>> No.10224624

>>10224594
Whatever happened to her, anyway? Aus lolitas were a thing for a minute and then they weren't.

>>10224597
My confession is that I need to organize my closet and sell some things but the temptation to become an actual reseller while doing it is strong because I do shop often and find really good deals.

>>10224616
Not judging you for your taste (even though I don't share it) but including people who get off sexually to scenarios in the frills is a bad idea because of the consent issue. Do as you like in your private lives but don't bring your kink into unconsenting vanilla space and do it with non-consenting people, ever.

>> No.10224628

I don't wear bloomers. Never have, likely never will.

I'm going to make hair extensions and bangs from my own hair.

My favorite dresses don't fit me, but I won't sell them.

I have multiple accounts everywhere in case the people that don't like me find a mule and block it, I just like having the ability to lurk their posts every once in a while.
Including LM, in case I want to buy something from someone I hate.

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>>10224624
>you

>> No.10224637

>>10224624
I don't know. Xelyna was a god. Deerstalkers, come back!

>> No.10224644

>>10224628
If you don't wear bloomers your coord is incomplete

>>10224597
You think your comm members don't notice because you "only" have 10 listings? Lol

>> No.10224645

>>10224644
Doesn't have to be comm members either. I regularly stalk the second hand market too and the low-key scalpers are just as easy to spot as the known ones.
I refuse to sell to them too, because one day there won't be any of those "goid deals" anymore and we're all stuck with money hungry people like that on the western market. I'd rather my stuff goes to someone who really appreciates it.

>> No.10224647

>>10224624
Sissy anon is just an unfunny troll, ignore them. As for Mc melody doll, i saw that apparently she was struck with health problems that caused her to grain a lot of weight, making her unable to fit most of her wardrobe. It's pretty tragic imo.

>> No.10224648

>>10224645
If it's not someone in my comm I don't care, I just ignore their listings. But there used to be someone in my comm who did it, and other lolitas avoided her, and warned me not to buy from her when I was still a newbie. She never made any friends and quietly disappeared.

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>>10224647
>Mc melody doll

>> No.10224677

>>10224647
desu it doesn't surprise me, she always posts food

>> No.10224696

I'm living for the recent Scarfing Scarves video. I'm an ex-ageplayer and SS repeated everything I was thinking when I was leaving the kink scene.

>> No.10224759

I will likely never own brand and I'm okay with that. All the jsks I like go for $150+ used and I'm not willing to spend that much on one piece of clothing even though I can afford it.

>> No.10224765

>>10224759
Is this kind of cheap capitalism making you happy?

>> No.10224766

>>10224765
Yes. Clothing can get torn, stained, or just worn out/faded with time so the investment isn't worth it. I've paid a lot more than that for collectibles because they easily retain quality and condition.

>> No.10224768

>>10224766
what's the point of calling yourself a lolita if you don't appreciate clothing?

>> No.10224770

>>10224768
Lolita is an aesthetic/silhouette that you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars to achieve. I appreciate the aesthetic of the clothing, not the brand name attached to it.

>> No.10224771

>>10224770
There are lots of lovely second hand brand that go for less than 150. Second hand Innocent World seems to run for way less than other Japanese brands.

>> No.10224773

>>10224766
That is part of enjoying small luxury. Performances don’t last either but I love going to ballets, operas, live shows. Food and flowers dont last long at all but I love delicious food and gorgeous fresh flowers, fine teas and wines. Life is for living and there are no pockets in a shroud. You are missing one of the best parts of lolita, in my opinion but suit yourself.

>> No.10224787

>>10224771
I'm aware of that, hence why I said ones "that I like" specifically.

>>10224773
I'm really not into luxury in general. Again, I just like the aesthetic.

>> No.10224798

>>10224787
Other people may give you a hard time for this, but I just wanted to let you know I respect your standpoint. You really don't need to spend a million dollars to enjoy lolita, and all the more power to you if you don't want to be a brandwhore.

>> No.10224870

>>10224759
Brand is that cheap secondhand. Are you the anon obsessed with never buying used clothing?

>> No.10224876

Yall that give newbies intentionally poor advice in BSoLF need to confess.

>> No.10224937

>>10224876
I’ve always wondered about that but no one calls them out on that shit so I’ve always just lurked there, occasionally reading the clusterfuck. Ditto for the sewing groups.

>> No.10224944

>>10224787
I hope you are lone or if you are in a comm, that your attitude doesn’t extend to only wanting cheap meets too. It’s fine for you to do your own cheapo thing solo but for those of us who do like the more luxury aesthetics and experiences, someone who doesn’t and is always the cheapie-chan is a big buzzkill to hang out with. (And try to plan around)

>> No.10224952
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I think hard decoras designs are ATROCIOUS. the drawings at best come off as cringey and edgy, and at worst a 14 year old making tumblr art. I honestly cannot see why anyone would want any of her stuff. she seems sweet and kind and her coords are otherwise cute, which is a bummer since I can't look at pics of her without getting distracted by her shit drawings. pic related.

>> No.10224953

>>10224674
She’s creative and I miss her. She should have sold off her old stuff, bought new bigger clothes and re-launched. I know her character plays a brandwhore but homegirl be rocking those bodyline shoes so I really think she should have just sized up her wardrobe and no fucks given.

‘Luxe princess life
done made me fat,
but my style is on point
so go cry about that

hime in the morning (and)
hime at tea,
no one listens to your opinion
cause it’s me, me, me!’

>> No.10224981

One of my close friends is an ita by personality and coords. I don’t necessarily believe that you have to be a lovely uwu prissy bitch when you’re wearing lolita but you shouldn’t be overly obnoxious while in public. I know it’s kind of an overall social etiquette ideology in general but I think while you’re wearing something unusual, you should try your best not to scream profanities or talk shit about other people around you. It’s so fucking embarrassing and it gives me major anxiety to be out with her in public.

I love her as my normal friend but I hate being her lolita friend. So much so that I actually stopped dressing up and told her everything is in storage so that I don’t have to go out with her anymore. I try to give her coord advice when she asks but she still does whatever she wants. Now I just admire from afar and am waiting for her to return to uni so I can start dressing up again.

>> No.10225042

>>10224798
Thank you

>>10224870
Not the dresses that I like, which are basically just AP sweet prints, especially older ones. I know brands like IW and BTSSB go for pretty cheap secondhand but I simply don't like their dresses

>>10224944
Lonelita so no worries

>> No.10225043

>>10224759
So if you like (but won’t buy) AP sweet, what do you buy and wear instead? I haven’t seen anything comparable in aesthetic which is why AP chans keep buying AP. I’m not sweet so I’m curious about this. Most of the budget alternatives to sweet that I’ve seen aren’t really so good.

>> No.10225062

>>10224876
i'm not on the group, what do they tell people?

>> No.10225065
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Even though they follow the rules, I dislike slightly sloppy or unflattering coords. I know it’s my own nitpick so I don’t usually post them but I do notice and make these kind of comparisons and I wish people were a bit less sloppy.

>> No.10225066

>>10225062
Generally it’s full not-so-great advice from people who don’t dress very well themselves.

>> No.10225074

>>10224953
This is so cringe it was physically painful to read.

>> No.10225076
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>>10224773
My confesion is that I desperately scared to ruin my brand. Partly because of price, partly because I like older stuff better and those are pretty much irreplacible. I still keep my brand in shipping boxes/plastic bags waiting till I get individual dusters, so not a tiny piece of dust falls onto my dresses. A thought of me sitting on a park bench in my CTP makes me uncomfortable.

>> No.10225078

>>10225074
nofun.jpg
Then go read something to unbunch your bloomers, maybe?

>> No.10225080

>>10225076
You run the risk of ruining it, sure, accidents happen. But how often do you wreck any of your clothes, honestly? If you stick to the heavier sturdy fabrics and avoid a lot of the chiffon and silky polyester, you should do ok. What good is even having the clothes if you can’t wear and enjoy them?

>> No.10225081

>>10225078
Most peoples definition of “fun” does not consist of typing like an autistic 12 year old trying to rap.

>> No.10225088

>>10224644
I'm not in a comm. If you don't want to buy from me you don't have to.

>> No.10225092

>>10225088
This is a really big benefit to not being active or even in a comm. being a lone lolita has many advantages.

My confession is that my comm has mostly itas and likes mostly very casual meets and I’m thinking that will put off anyone who dresses well from joining. It’s a catch 22 because I want to do at least a few nicer meets but these people don’t really dress well enough to go to nicer places. Bad wigs, bad shoes, lots of lolifying, some low quality costume-ish or edgy things. Fml famalam, after thinking on it, I kind of really just want to quietly quit my comm, fading away to become a lonelita.

>> No.10225100

>>10225076
I'm the polar opposite. My main goal is to wear everything until it literally falls apart and is irreparable and attach as much memories as possible to them. Downside of it is, that some of my normie friends even jokingly called me out for looking sloopy because there were faded stains I couldn't get out on one of my main pieces.

>> No.10225138

>>10225100
That’s going too far. When it gets like that it’s gross. But I see it at some events so you are not the only one.

>> No.10225147

I really don’t say this out loud but...I only like lolita on myself, the models (no matter what race, I don’t care about azns because normal japs look fat and ugly in those clothes too) and some non-famous super good looking people but they actually never wear it. I’ve never seen a good looking lolita in comms or online. As for cgl it seems to me since none of you have a taste it’s all about passing for lolita but never wearing it aesthetically, which is odd since the websites of burando do show wearing advice. Even for a fucking bag. Nobody here dresses properly that’s for sure. I don’t care about ita or what passes for lolita, but I just don’t find any of the people’s tastes here nice. I’m not experienced myself compared to mana and I don’t think since most spergs can’t handle criticism would agree but this is what I think. I think this with normie fashion too actually but lolita will always be “OTT” so it’s more annoying. At the same time this is good because it makes me feel better but I am getting older so no longer am I petty I just want you all to dress better.

>> No.10225165
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I recently joined my comm and there's this one girl who I don't know if I'll be able to stand. I'm trying to be kind since she is a minor, but her whole expression makes me cringe. Just stop with the big animu eye makeup, please. It ruins your passable coord. You're cuter without it. Her makeup aside she's an overexcited mess socially. She interrupts with off topic stuff and steals the spotlight whenever she can. It's embarrassing and annoying.

At the same time I feel inferior to her. She has seemingly grown up in the comm and is good friends with some of the nicest members. I'm hoping they harbor some kind of twisted pity for this child, so I'm not the only one thinking mean thoughts.

>> No.10225169

>>10225042
What do you buy then? I don't think there are many taobao prints that are cuter and cheaper than secondhand btssb.

>> No.10225171

>>10225065
I think the main difference is that she's skinnier and knows how to pose and edit better.

>> No.10225172

>>10225092
The many advantages of being an asshole without feeling embarrassed around other lolitas, how nice

>> No.10225173

>>10225147
Stop trying to force your shitty pasta. It's neither funny nor original.

>> No.10225175

>>10225165
I used to feel like this around one of my comm members but it turned out to be internalised misogyny

>> No.10225176

I recently moved into new city. I haven't joined the local comm as I have heard most of them are elitists.

>> No.10225178

>>10225176
How is this a confession? Lots of lolita aren't part of a comm. I'm in a comm but I haven't been to a meet in 2 years.

>> No.10225186

>>10225176
so you're a poorfag

>> No.10225194

>>10225175
How so?

>> No.10225199

>>10225194
I was raised in a very sexist family. After some self reflection, I noticed that all my reasons for disliking her were really petty. Like her voice and laugh. I held her to a very high standard and looked for things she said or did wrong just to justify my hate.
You just admitted your main reasons to hate this girl is her make-up and expression. Why does it bother you so much? Just focus on the people you like and let her be.

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>>10225199
Original confessor here. We've only attended one mutual meet so far and it's probably going to be fine. My main gripe isn't her makeup. It's probably how I was asked by several members about something recent which happened to me. I started telling the story, and at least three people were listening. Then she interrupted. I'm usually not a pushover but I just didn't know how to handle that. So nobody got to hear the end of my story, and I'm salty. Over the course of the meet we happened to gravitate to opposite sides of the social circle and really as long as she was not in my space of conversation I had a great time. I will let her be.

>> No.10225278

>>10225175
>>10225205
she's a minor, who wasn't cringy when they were a minor? be gentle on her, hopefully she'll mellow out as she ages

if someone interrupts you while you're telling a story, just face them and say something like "oh I wasn't finished telling my story, could I finish telling it?" or even nicer if you're afraid of confrontation "would you like to hear the end?" - as these don't accuse anyone of rudeness and brings the conversation back to what you were saying

>> No.10225282

Man I just watched Lovely Lore's Dear Lolita - Toronto Fashion Event w/ Triple Fortune and jesus H christ. How are you so fat that your leg is thicker than some of the other girl's torso's? Opening up the fashion show with the biggest girl was wild. You can feel the awkwardness through the computer screen.

>> No.10225333 [DELETED] 

>>10225205
You may te yourself you had good reason to dislike her but most of your comment was about how she looks. Hope it'll be better next meet.

>> No.10225334

>>10225205
You may tell yourself you had good reason to dislike her but most of your comment was about how she looks. Hope it'll be better next meet. You can't become friends with everyone in a group.

>> No.10225355

I never read these threads so I'm sure this is probably a super common thing, but when I first got into Jfashion I was a CUNT. I was fresh out of a different but close-knit online community that was cut-throat as fuck and made lolitas even in 2010 look like daisy-pickers. I was used to always being on-edge, aggressive, and quick to sling shit...which is the reason why I felt so at home on cgl at first. But looking back it is my biggest regret that I posted horrible shit about people that I know now didn't deserve it, and even if they did it doesn't matter because I shouldn't have been such a conduit of hate and bullshit. I regret that so much and I want to say I'm sorry directly to the people I know I hurt, but right now I don't have the courage. Hopefully soon I will because it tears me up every time I come here and get reminded of how much bile and shit I spewed just because it was who I was used to being. I am not that cunt I was 10 years ago and I am trying to make up for it as best as I can but it still really stings sometimes.

>> No.10225358

>>10225355
>this is probably a super common thing
i don't come here super often but i've never seen a confession like this. usually the anons who post others to the ita thread and generally cause drama defend it by acting like they are helping those people by pointing out their flaws.

>> No.10225359

>>10225358
God, I did that and worse, I spread rumours too and attacked people for no reason. I hate it so much and I wish I could take it back.

>> No.10225365

>>10225171
Grooming and lots of little styling tips on how to dress just a bit better. For me it makes a noticeable difference between someone just wearing the clothes with little effort and someone who really knows how to dress themselves well. I don’t care at all about the weight issue and pic on right is not over-edited, I’ve met her. She’s really well put together.

>>10225355
Good luck, honestly. Lolitas have long memories and their reset buttons are usually broken.

>> No.10225372

>>10225365
I know, it took forever for me to slam my own reset button and really be at peace with the things people have said about me thinking I wouldn't know it was them. Like, I've forgiven them even if they don't care and I I know fishing for forgiveness would be stupid to say the least, I just....need to make peace with the cunt I used to be and bury her forever.

>> No.10225373

>>10225355
Curious to know what the former community is that’s more cut-throat. Not trying to out you or anything but it’s hard to believe such a close-knit community is that level of cut-throat without just falling apart?

>> No.10225381

>>10225373
Oh it definitely fell apart, not long after I bounced t b h. I can't really give you any more details without making it extremely obvious what hobby community it was, but it was horrible. People died. There are splinters that still exist with people who don't suck, and there are splinters of people who are absolute toxin. Honestly coming to cgl in my beginning and seeing how chill it was put me at ease about wearing lolita.

>> No.10225387

>>10225355
I feel this. I never really posted anything here, but I had unnecessarily harsh views. In the end, it only really hurt me. I was so ashamed of how mediocre I was when I finally started to wear lolita. It took getting involved in my local comm to realize that most people are fine in lolita. If you have something out of place they help you out.
Online comms can really freak you out.

>> No.10225388

>>10225381

Wait people actually died?

>> No.10225389

>>10225387
Not online can the online community at large freak you out, but it can also make you feel like it's okay to say the most sour shit even IRL if you're not careful, and I feel so stupid for ever having been that person.

>>10225388
Yes.

>> No.10225391

>>10225355
Same tho. Shitty part about this is that your community will never forget what a bitch you were in the beginning and they’ll probably never treat you nicely. I’ve been a lolita for a long time and when I first started I brought my punk attitude into lolita because they’re just clothes. But even tho my comm is cool with me returning, they have never treated me as nicely as others. It sucks because I know I’ve changed for the better, but it’s the grave I dug for myself.

>> No.10225393

>>10225391
You said it much more eloquently than I could. I'm sorry you're going through this too anon.

>> No.10225398

I'm so, so sorry.

>> No.10225405

>>10225355
Ok so I’ve dealt with my share of cunts in the comm, and to even admit that you were a total twat is a huge step in itself. One of my closest friends in the comm now is a former shit stirrer. It’s your actions from here foreword that will determine how you comm treats you. Imo I have a lot more respect for these girls who admit to being shitty fucks and actively put efforts into proving they have changed. There have been many people who had their drama, stayed quiet for years, and then came back quietly who we found out never changed. They can’t even recognize that their behavior is problematic. And you can’t change if you can’t even recognize you are the problem.
I have faith in you and your comm. You’ll be fine. Besides, if they can’t see that you are sincere, you can’t blame them, but also don’t dwell on it. You’ll find good people to frill with.

>> No.10225409

>>10225393
>I’m sorry you acted like a cunt and there were consequences for your behavior

Some of y’all are absolutely delusional. You did it to yourselves. You deserve it.

>> No.10225412

>>10225355
>>10225359
>>10225387
There are quite a few oldies who did this. They can never post in groups on FB without risking a shitstorm of their past coming to bite them so most of them only post on Instagram. Seems most Instagram people are just more chill and in it for the photos and aesthetic anyway. FB is shit.

>> No.10225434

>>10225042
>AP sweet prints, especially older ones.
Uhm what? Those are cheap. Where are you even looking?

>> No.10225455

i judge meetuplitas way more than conlitas. i understand conlitas because i see the appeal and function of treating lolita like a costume, so i don't care. but lolitas who only wear the fashion to meetups and not otherwise strike me as simultaneously too cowardly to wear the fashion outside of meetups, and more motivated by the social aspect of the fashion to appreciate lolita for what it is

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>>10225043
>>10225169
It's not super common to find, but there are indie brands who reflect that 2010ish AP sweet feel pretty decently. See pic for example

>>10225434
To list a few prints that I like: Milky-chan, Sugary Carnival, and Toy Parade, all of which go for over $150 used. I'm sure there are lots that I don't like that go for cheaper, but that's irrelevant as I wouldn't wear them...

>> No.10225507

>>10225409
Bruh I take full responsibility for the shit attitude I had in the past lol. You is right, we deserve it. It’s not like we can demand a second chance, but it’s not completely bonkers to confess that we want one.

>> No.10225509

>>10224981
If she’s your close friend can’t you talk to her about her behavior? Especially if you mention that it makes you feel uncomfortable. You shouldn’t have to put aside your hobbies because someone else can’t control themselves

>> No.10225534

>>10225472
Maybe if you're ignoring the Japanese market. Those prints are cheap. Try looking at Japanese secondhand.

>> No.10225535

>>10225282
Did you see how many fat people were in attendance generally? I doubt they felt it was awkward.

>> No.10225540

>>10225534
No, they are in fact not cheap anywhere. Looking at the sold prices for SC on ClosetChild, they all went for over 20000 yen, Toy Parade goes on Y Japan auctions for close to 20000 yen as well, and Milky isn't even anywhere to be found.

>> No.10225574

>>10225282
The slomo shots at the end of the fashion show were particularly painful to watch, that jello fat. But the news of the new book and the blissful absence of much actual Lor footage made it bearable. Seems like she really favored some brands over others in the mini-review lineup though. She’s as biased as ever. But I watched the whole thing which I can’t say I do recently for any of her talking head videos. Thank goodness for 2x speed. It makes things hurt for a shorter time if I’m just after info on an event. Which is really all her channel is good for these days unless you like pastel garbage can clowns.

>> No.10225596

>>10225509
When I give her coord advice she tells me she doesn’t care and she loves the idea of pissing lolitas off. She says she doesn’t care about the rules and so I feel like if I were to talk to her about how she comes off when we’re in public, she’s going to give me that same idgaf attitude. She’s also kind of dramatic so idk if the confrontation would turn into a feud....best just to lay low

>> No.10225642

My confession is that I don’t think lolitas who are fat will ever look their best unless they lose weight. I don’t ever give advice or concrit to fat lolitas. When asked, I just say something polite and noncommittal. Because it’s a waste of time until or unless they can drop the poundage to look better. Now I’m not saying they shouldn’t wear whatever they like and please themselves, they absolutely should. But I know I’m not alone in just dismissing the idea of giving them any concrit.

>> No.10225716

>>10225455
k

>> No.10225728

>>10225540
Thats straight up bs on milkychan i got the ribbon necklace jsk with headband for 6,800 yen off cc, and the skirt off mercari a few months ago for 5,800. You need to keep looking everyday anon.

>> No.10225729

I was low key considering quitting all lolita comms and online spaces and throwing myself headfirst into fandom. Then, I ran into fandom purity culture. Good artists getting banned for drawing anime boys together, cis artists getting cancelled for having trans headcanons (I thought that was supposed to be a good thing?), people blocking anyone who retweets content from someone problematic even if they had no idea. It's not even like the old sjw shit on tumblr, this is like. It feels more targeted? Like a lot of it is artists trying to fuck over other artists. I deleted my fandom accounts within a week and ran straight back to lolita. We're weird and full of drama but wow fandom has changed in the last ten years. This is my happy place and I'm never leaving again. I love all you salt piles, even the vendetta-chans.

>> No.10225738

>>10225729
>i can only have one hobby or interest

>> No.10225753

>>10225738
I should have said, I was considering leaving the lolita community because the drama in my comm is stressing me out. I wouldn't have stopped wearing or loving lolita, just going to meets and posting about it. But it doesn't matter, I'm not leaving now. For the fan things I like, I'll just write fics and post them without interacting with the rest of the fandom.

>> No.10225755

>>10225472
Nayrt but I wish I knew about this when it was released. It's perfect.

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>>10225540
Maybe try checking the newer places anon. You're just looking for excuses to wear Chinese clothes at this point.

>> No.10225779

>>10225472
Where is this from?

>> No.10225784

>>10225779
https://www.weibo.com/u/5538363015
The name is right on the photo, anon, come on. Don't be THAT lazy.

>> No.10225785

>>10224759
Got a moitie jsk for 100€ (in perfect condition), you just need patience anon, if you look around enough you'll eventually find stuff you like for cheap.

>> No.10225789

>>10225775
You'll never get a taobao chan to change her ways unless she wants to, anon. It's a waste of time go try. There is a quiet faction that only wear a few taobao things, because we know your pic related is accurate, it just takes time and patience to search. My theory is that some taobao chans enjoy the hype of current new dresses and discussing them, choosing colorways etc. but are too cheap to splash out for new Japanese ones to participate in that so they do it with new taobao dresses. That kind of makes me laugh though because I always secretly feel like ’calm down, its just Taobao’.

>> No.10225792

>>10225789
>You'll never get a taobao chan to change her ways unless she wants to
This is not true in my experience. Most taobao-chans I knew just got used to buying from taobao early on, because they were taught that's a good place to start when you're on a budget and building your wardrobe. All my ex-taobao-chan friends changed quite easily. I even got one of them to directly buy from brand, simply by asking "I'm getting some things from the btssb sale, do you want anything?". She never really looked at brand webshops before then.

>> No.10225939

>>10225729
>It's not even like the old sjw shit on tumblr, this is like. It feels more targeted?

Yeah. Antis are far worse than SJWs, at least SJWs have good ideas (equality, etc.) With shit application, or they go out of control. Antis are basically teenagers and young adults who peaked in high school who get off on bullying people because "reee ramuda is minor coded because his hair is pink and he's short ad you're a pedo for liking him!". Fandom culture is toxic and full of socially stunted basket cases. I'd take my lolita comm being gossipy bitches over following anyone who calls themselves an anti any day, even if I just stick to myself during events.

>> No.10226088

>>10225939
Nayrt, but I fondly remember there was a time on the internet (and even tumblr) where I could fandom in peace and avoid drama by simply not looking for it.
Those days are no longer. It's like the fucking scarlett letter out there

>> No.10226109

>>10225775
>>10225784
>>10225789
Not everyone wants to spend all this time and effort looking through various different sites daily for a used dress when they can immediately get a new, in stock dress and for less money as well. It's not super difficult to understand.

>> No.10226144

>>10226109
Then sorry, you're 110% in the wrong fashion & don't understand it at all

>> No.10226153

>>10226144
Once again, lolita is about a specific silhouette and aesthetic, not about wearing specific brands. Pretty sure you're the one who doesn't understand that.

>> No.10226156

>>10225792
That's actually really good to hear, anon. I guess I'm feeling like some of the original and less well known Japanese brands are under-loved recently. Anons not even knowing Abilletage and so few people wearing JetJ or 3F makes me a little blue.

>> No.10226167

>>10225775
What app is this?

>> No.10226168

>>10225784
I thought this was some South American indie brand....

>> No.10226191

>>10225939
One of my old friends is like that so I don't tell her what I really think. She sperges out on tumblr about abusive ships every day. They're fictional characters. Calm down.

>> No.10226206

My confession is that i judge people when they wear lolita without changing things about themselves that don't go with the aesthetic, for example, having very hairy limbs/eyebrows/mustache area and not removing the visible hair, i think it can ruin an otherwise amazing coord.

>> No.10226213

>>10226153

Did you just watch Safiya's video and take it to be the word of Mana?

Part of the lolita aesthetic is a decadent vibe, which is definitely not what surface printed Chinese poly is.

>> No.10226220

>>10226213
No sorry, I've been wearing lolita for years. There's good quality and bad quality Chinese brands, they're not one unit. The example I posted >>10225472 is one that's very successful at capturing the aesthetic.

Also, if you really haven't noticed, a lot of current releases from Japanese brands are made-in-China poly dresses. They're just marked up a lot higher.

>> No.10226225

>>10226220

I don't buy from those brands either. Biggest mistake was buying a BTSSB. It was 370 USD and they couldn't even match the print or the laces. Never fucking again.

>> No.10226252

>>10225784
But where is their shop? I found their Weibo earlier but couldn't find the actual shop...

>> No.10226274

>>10226252
They only sell through Weibo.

>> No.10226281

>>10226225
Wow you way overpaid. Did you buy from a scalper?

>> No.10226312

>>10226281
???
That’s literally just the cost of a new brand dress

>> No.10226319

>>10226153
There's more to it than that.

>> No.10226320

>>10226319
There really isn't. It's a fashion, not a cult where everyone has the same opinions and values.

>> No.10226323

>>10225078
hey, i thought it was okay

>> No.10226330

I'm really sick of people in the community making up false narratives about my life and what I do.

>> No.10226334

>>10226320
I weep for you newbie.
Lolita is/was a subculture with an underpinning that goes beyond a shape, and if you never see that side of it, never dig a little deeper, you'll never get that magic in anything else.

>> No.10226355

>>10226334
Not new and I know the history. The political and rebellious nature of it still has nothing to do with achieving the aesthetic, which has grown far past just Japan at this point.

But brandwhores gonna brandwhore no matter what, I suppose.

>> No.10226361

>>10224952
This pretty much the consensus on hard decora. Everyone I know except for one person (yes, they're a tumblrite) thinks hard decora is hideous.

>>10224937
I give newbies low quality/intentionally vague advice in sewing groups if they ask something that can be answered with a simple google search like how to gather fabric.

>> No.10226376

My confession is that I wish lolita was more underground, and I really wish Safiya's video didn't bring more attention to us.

Idk, I just want to be a special snowflake.

>> No.10226378

>>10226376
It’ll still be a niche fashion. You need to have some dedication to spend money on the dresses and time to put together coords and look for deals and not everyone wants to do that. Not a lot of people are into the look of the fashion either. I mean the video might get some interest in it, but not enough to change your special snowflake status.

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I used to be very much of an AP brandwhore, but nowadays AP has dropped way below Baby, Meta, and even some Taobao brands. I don't remember when was the last time I bought something newly released from AP other than some plastic jewellry. Makes me really sad to know that there's probably never gonna be a print that I'll fall in love with entirely.

>> No.10226393

>>10224952
I went and googled hard decora and god this is cringe and she doesn't even seem to have a solid grasp of what decora is supposed to be.

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Now I can easily obtain lolita, it doesn't make me happy anymore. I don't know why. When I was a teen and I couldn't afford it, it was all I wanted. Now it's all I surround myself with but I don't know who I am within it. I don't want to wear anything else, but I don't feel like myself. Maybe I should sell everything and start afresh, but where would I begin?

This is a confession because no one knows, no one will ever know, because I keep up appearances within my comm.

>> No.10226398

>>10226376
Lolita will always be a niche. Everyone knows what a goth is, but how many people are actually goths?

>> No.10226402

>>10226274
Nayrt, does that mean that I have to use a personal Chinese SS to buy from them? Or something along the lines

>> No.10226404

I buy mostly taobao brands because I like their releases and themes more than brand. I have some brand pieces I like adn have, but mostly I stick to taobao because I just like their releases and sets more. If brands would branch into more themes/aesthetics like military, constellations, mythology, etc. I'd be more inclined to buy from them.

>> No.10226408

even though i'm not asian or chinese, i've been buying more Qi lolita because the bodice fits around my bust better than most other brands.

plus the fox prints and aesthetics are pretty cute.

>> No.10226423

>>10226404
They've done plenty of constellation themed ones. AP and innocent world come to mind.

>> No.10226424 [DELETED] 

>>10226404
Aside from mythology(which does have brand prints like Baby’s Twinkle Constellation) those are incredibly common themes. Larper detected.

>> No.10226426

>>10226109
>they can immediately get a new, in stock dress and for less money as well.
Oh really. Shipping from China isn't cheap and usually you have to reserve said dress and wait half a year. And if you're lucky it won't be shit quality when it arrives. Anon is the one who wants prints from 2010. Of course you can't buy them new. It's not hard to search using the app functions.

>> No.10226427

>>10226225
Do you know how much fabric it takes to match prints??? Bitch no lolita brand, indie or otherwise, does it if it's not necessary to the print. The last btssb dress I bought was cotton and made in japan, and much better quality than any of the indie and taobao I have. wtf are you on about

>> No.10226437

>>10226424
nayrt but stop screaming larper anytime someone says something you don't like. Taobao does produce more of those prints and themes than you average brand (though I think atelier boz is still king when it comes to military).

>> No.10226439

>>10226423
>>10226424

i never said they didn't do them at all. meta (or at least i think it was them) did military and fucked it up so bad they didn't release the dress internationally and issued an apology because they used nazi imagry too much, i hate how twinkle constellation looks and not the biggest fan of AP in general, and innocent world's are cute-ish but i don't like them enough to have them.

i'm sorry for not jacking off to brand like you. stay triggered people like taobao releases more than brand.

>> No.10226446

>>10226439
Yikes, my reply >>10226423 was very benign. Tone the salt down. You're welcome to buy taobao, I just thought you should know that there might be more dresses out there you'd like.

>> No.10226448

>>10226437
exactly. AP and Baby will do something that isn't pastel sweet kittens, toys, and sweets like a couple times every few years and more frequently stick to those or solid and safe sweet prints and patterns.

>> No.10226457

i hate when people say subsets of lolita like bittersweet, punk, sailor, country, etc. don't exist and the only ones are sweet, classic, and goth and those are just themes instead so there is no need to qualify them as subsets or have hashtags for them.

Yes most everything will fall under sweet, classic, or goth but if i want to see a specific theme, having a name or title for whatever it's called is helpful. If I want to see sailor themed lolita coords, idc whether it falls under sweet, classic, or goth. Just searching #lolitafashion or the main subsets casts the net too wide and i get more themes I don't care about but #sailorlolita narrows it down to what i specifically want to see regardless of if it otherwise falls under goth, sweet, or classic.

even if bittersweet is just sweet but in black, #sweetlolita casts the net too wide if i don't want to see pastel sweet coords but #bittersweetlolita is the perfect tag because it narrows the net down to anything that could fit into that and there is less stuff i don't care about to filter through. Sure I could just # the name of the dress but then it casts the net too small because idk every sweet dress that comes in black. Similarly, if i want to see any and all classic style lolita, i will just search that hashtag but if i want to see specifically country styled, i search for that, not classic.

tldr: the subsets aren't always styles like the main three on their own but their existence is useful for categorical purposes of seeing specific themes and aesthetics and it's dumb to say "It isn't x/x lolita doesn't exist it's just sweet/goth/classic".

also anyone think it's weird how "sweet" is spelled? it feels like it shouldn't be spelled that way.

>> No.10226464

>>10226109
Fast fashion is antithetical to the concept of lolita. You clearly don't know anything about the history of the fashion if you support these brands that pump out discount dresses on a monthly basis.

>> No.10226465

>>10226153
You are why subcultures are barely a thing anymore. I bet you think being goth is just about what you wear.

>> No.10226467

>>10226457
My proposed solution: sweet, goth, and classic are substyles; country, sailor, etc are themes

>> No.10226468

>>10226437
It’s not because I don’t like what was posted, it’s because it’s so stupid and misinformed I can only assume the person isn’t actually a lolita.

>> No.10226474

>>10226464
>Fast fashion is antithetical to the concept of lolita
What is the concept of lolita in your opinion and how is fast fashion antithetical to it? You keep saying how anon doesn't understand but don't actually explain anything.

>> No.10226476

>>10226312
No it isn't lol

>> No.10226478

>>10226468
Sorry anon but you seem to be the misinformed one in this case. Like I said, taobao produces much more of those themes/prints, OP wasn't wrong.

>> No.10226482

>>10226465
Nayrt but you sound like an edgy old schooler. Not everyone's lives revolves around trying to copy the lifestyle of lolitas from 20 years ago.

>> No.10226483

>>10226355
The luxury is part of the aesthetic.

>>10226457
+1
The fact you can wear military, sailor, nurse etc. in different ways doesn't mean they're not substyles. Almost my entire wardrobe is sailor. It would be accurate to say I'm a sailor lolita, instead of saying I'm a gothic lolita, classic lolita and sweet lolita just because some of my sailor things are sweet, some gothic, and some classic. Who decided that a substyle of a substyle isn't allowed to be called a substyle anyway? Every Japanese source I've found about this says there are lots of substyles besides the main 3.

>> No.10226484 [DELETED] 

>>10226478
>no u

Larper confirmed

>> No.10226486

>>10226468
What is stupid or misinformed about saying brands don't go beyond their normal themes of kittens and into other stuff like taobao brands do? you dont have to shill so much.

>> No.10226500

>>10226355
You must be deeply mistaken then, because not only is the luxury part of the aesthetic, the money you spend on yourself for your own happiness, regardless of how frivolous it is, is a big part of the fashion.

>> No.10226519
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My entire closet is now brand, but apparently I have the memory of a goldfish because I can never recall the names of my dresses. I’d love to just post my closet and ask people to name that print for me so I can write them down on sticky notes. Lolibrary only helps so much when you have a solid dress and a vague recollection of when it was released. Remind me to write shit down when I buy new items gulls.

>> No.10226535

>>10226427

Honestly, I consider BTSSB to be on the lower end of the brand list these days. Older BTSSB is really nice, newer, eh, not so much. The print in particular needed to be matched, and other brands do it well if not better. Sorry your brand went downhill catering to Chinese.

>> No.10226537

>>10226519

You're not alone. I can't even remember my dream dresses sometimes. To be fair, they're mostly JetJ releases with horrible French phrasing. But I need a google doc to keep my shit together. It's terrible.

>> No.10226545

Confession: I think gaining some weight really helped to soften Lor's features. We can't control how our bodies put on weight exactly, which is why thinner is usually considered the safer bet to aim for, but I'm happy to see someone's face un-hollow and round out. There are so many thin Lolitas who fight to counter-act the long hollow face with make-up when they'd just look prettier and normal-er with a few extra pounds.

>> No.10226548

>>10226545
Lor has put on like 50lbs though, she’s very unhealthy now and looks like she’s uncomfortably shoved into all her pieces. I disagree that it makes her look better face wise too, I’ve always thought she was ugly but I find myself thinking “wow she looked so much prettier” whenever an old video of hers pops up. At least when she was thin she was healthier and could fit into the majority of brand items. Now she’s a fat sad sausage shoved into honeycake

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>>10226476
Yes it is lol

>> No.10226554

>>10226548
Agreed. Lor looks way too big in her lolita now and her chin looks masculine with the added weight which doesn’t mesh well with her nose and eye bags. I will say she’s gotten a lot more confident lately and I think that’s in part to being in a lesbian relationship so she gives less fucks, but that’s translating to shitty coords and having a shit body.

>> No.10226557

>>10226554
Her GF is getting larger too, but it’s not as rapid as it was with Lor. The rate at which she packed it on is really concerning to me. It seemed like it was only within the span of a year to a year and a half that she put the majority of it on.

>> No.10226571

>>10226467
Agree in general, except in the case of someone like >>10226483, when 80% or more of your closet is in a theme, then I think it's fair to say you've achieved a kind of substyle/theme transcendental thing. Also what about things like Kuro and Shiro, which often traverse all of the big 3? It's not always so cut and dried.

I do think that saying something short, pleasant and only slightly descriptive to normies is best and save the nattering about it all to those ’within the frills’.

”Its a Japanese street fashion, we hold meets and have parties’ is what I say. Only rarely do people ask anything more, most just want a reference to categorize what they are seeing.

>> No.10226596

I have a really strong dislike for a lot of the older lolitas in the community. I used to have starry eyes for them, and thought most of them were cool for being in the fashion for so long. Many were fashion icons to me, and I wanted to be like them. Then we started interacting and it was awful. I hate how much drama these women need, and I've been dragged into it a few times for no other reason than I existed. They'll start spreading lies and misinformation over the most petty things and it sucks because I really do want to like them, and I have made steps to be friendly and nice to them, going as far as even complimenting their coords anonymously because I genuinely like what they do. I just wish older lolitas were more open to accepting newer or younger lolitas, because it's not even gatekeeping at this point it's just being incredibly mean for the sake of being mean

>> No.10226608

>>10226596
agreed. the way I'm dealing with drama is I just accept it. Apparently they decided I am a "secret trans" because I have a strong jaw... So I guess I'm just a man now. Whatever. At first I was upset, but then I realized that if I am a straight cis woman, and they're a bunch of straight cis women... is it worth it to somehow prove my birth sex to them? I decided to take the route of not addressing it and letting them make themselves look bad in DMs as they strangely obsess about a penis that doesn't exist.

>> No.10226610 [DELETED] 

>>10226596
>reeee newfag fatty-chan
>i bet you have less than 100 main pieces you stinky larper!!! you're just jelly of us

>> No.10226616

>>10226608
>they decided I am a "secret trans" because I have a strong jaw
wth...

>> No.10226628

everyone in my comm & pretty much every lolita/jfash comm that i’ve seen constantly talks about how much they hate drama, they want a drama-free community etc.

I LOVE drama. Not being a subject of it, but just witnessing it. The 17 y/o itas sperging out at the meetups, the fattychans crying about not being able to fit brand, the arguments over stupid shit.....it fuels me

I love hanging out with my couple of lolita friends and gossiping & laughing about all of the stupid bullshit that happens on FB or wherever. Besides looking cute, it’s one of the major perks to being in this subculture.

>> No.10226630

>>10226628
I love drama too. Most of the drama in my comm is self-inflicted by people who complain about everything and are just dramatic in general. But comm drama is nothing compared to the drama between project managers at work. Which I also love, because they're all old dudes it looks even more petty.

>> No.10226634 [DELETED] 

>>10226474
That would be spoonfeeding.
Lrn2b0ru

>> No.10226635
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It’s embarrassing to go out to tea with people who are basically social potatoes, don’t know how to dress themselves and have no table manners. I see this way too often, even in meet videos of supposedly elegant events, and unfortunately in my local comm all but 2 people are these types of lolitas. Badly dressed and rude +1’s are especially gross.

>> No.10226638

>>10226439
The only one jacking themselves off here is you to the sound of your own reeeeeee

>> No.10226640

>>10226630
>drama between project managers at work.
Please elaborate

>> No.10226641

>>10226635
I agree. I have to admit it was never anything I was taught growing up, but once I joined lolita and thought of going to meets (especially tea parties) I took it upon myself to learn. The thought of being an uncultured swine at a supposedly "elegant" style event makes me cringe.

>> No.10226649

a good chunk of western lolita brands are flaky, have terrible customer service, and honestly don't have great quality compared to japanese brand. the only reason they survive is because they're supported up by a legion of friends who swear up and down that they have great quality, and bank on the bullshit 'support local female minority lbtqia brands!' when most of them are white women anyway. kind of tired of this weird indie culture we have that allows them to propagate this sort of shitty experience we have buying from them.

>> No.10226655

I think western comms and online groups are quite a bit different lolita culture to Japanese lolita and I wish someone would address it. I think most Japanese are too polite to do it but there are enough people who visit Japan from the west or have taught English there to really speak about this. And I’d love to hear/read it.

>> No.10226658

>>10226655

From what I understand, there are very few lolitas who feel confident enough to join Japanese comms due to cultural and language barriers, and that's pretty common among the expatriate community and not just confined to lolita. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

>> No.10226662

>>10226649
Only one western indie brand is like that. Please don't lump non-Americans in with her.

>> No.10226664

>>10226658
I don’t think Japanese comms meets as much like we do or do group things outside of brand events or shopping maybe? It seems we always only see pairs or a small group unless there’s some sort of event they are attending. Either that or they just have meets much less in the public eye? I’m just curious about the differences. Someone like RinRin Doll could address this and be tactful about it I think. I don’t think either group is better, I just suspect there are quite a few differences.

>> No.10226666

>>10226662
Name and shame anon. I have not bought any western indie brand but I want to start, and this sounds like someone I can cross of the list.

>> No.10226669

>>10226662

it's not just one - several i've dealt with are this way, but you're right, they all happened to be american. should emphasize that when i say 'a good chunk' i don't mean all, there are plenty of good western brands but i should clarify my point is that we should buy based on good cs and good quality over above.

>> No.10226673

>>10226664
>Someone like RinRin Doll could address this and be tactful about it I think.

Ah you're right. I was thinking more along the lines of the known int'l community, and I know they've expressed trepidation due to language barriers. That would be interesting indeed! I think it could be done with tact (like for instance differences in meetup spots).

>> No.10226677

>>10224594
Many of the girls in my comm are so bad at makeup (like garish clown makeup) that I wish it was socially acceptable to host a meetup teaching girls how to do normal toned down makeup. Just because your jsk is lavender doesn't mean that you need to use lavender eyshadow and lipstick ffs.

>>10226519
Lolibrary's catalog is lacking in general. I have several BTSSB dresses that I know the name of but they aren't in the database. Or there'll be releases where only half of it is cataloged, incomplete colorway images, etc.

>> No.10226681

>>10226669
Maybe a ranking system would be good based on buyer reviews? Not sure how to really weed them out when not that many people will actually speak up and not just grumble privately to their friends. It’s too expensive to just take a chance on someone. One American brand I know is not really so size inclusive and her stuff is hard to get but no one complains too much about her CS, I like a couple of her pieces a lot and I am thinking of catching one of her shop restocks. I Do Declare.

>> No.10226706

I rather give my brand almost for free to friends than sell it to an ita for tons of money

>> No.10226721

>>10226706

same desu. it's too bad my friends think differently tho. i respect their decision but i know in my heart of hearts i wish they would return the favor.

>> No.10226739

>>10226706
>>10226721
Same. I wish I had cute friends to brandswap with.

>> No.10226744

>>10226721
I would absolutely love to, but I'm a poorfag

>> No.10226771

>>10226404
i buy about evenly between brand/indie brand/taobao, but that's definitely the appeal of the taobao. some brands have explored more unconventional prints, but there are way more options on taobao and while most of them are shitty, there are some gems.

i feel like that gets glossed over in most taobao arguments--they tapped into a niche that most brands couldn't, and it wasn't necessarily dominated by the people who wanted the cheap shit, or the people who wanted the meme shit, it was the people who wanted brands to get more adventurous in their themes, and weren't getting that from brands, so they turned to taobao.

>> No.10226779

>>10226402
Yes

>> No.10226788

>>10226771
When anyone says ‘there are some gems’ it already means that the majority of whatever is being talked about is a pile of shit. Yes there are a few gems, and a few unique original things too but that leaves the mountain of taobao that is just plain shit as well and the gems/unique pieces aren’t what the majority of people who are buying there are focusing on. That’s the problem. I’m never going to suggest not looking there, or not looking at indie either, I own a bit of each personally too so my money is where my mouth is, but the heartbeat of the fashion was born in the Japanese streets, and is designed by the Japanese brands and the main focus needs to stay firmly rooted there.

People can cry about lolita growing more in the west or in China than in Japan but quality > quantity, please.

When Lor cackles that she’s been in the fashion over a decade and speaks on it and tries so hard to ‘represent’ it publicly yet dismissed a brand like Abilletage as unknown when the designer is a Bunka grad, over a decade in their successful brand and has authored 3 style books, it’s evident that some important things are getting lost in the current noise. Taobao shit tier stuff is part of the noise.

>> No.10226789

>>10226464
>>10226483
>>10226500
And *you* clearly don't know anything about the history of the fashion if you think the point of it is to wear expensive clothes and be as luxurious as possible. Many original lolitas made their own clothes and looked pretty damn cheap. Because the focus is the unique aesthetic, not the price tag or brand name.

Guess they were all just doin' it wrong, eh?

>> No.10226795

>>10226788
>is designed by the Japanese brands and the main focus needs to stay firmly rooted there

The brands themselves are bent over backwards by Chinese influence and preferences. China has the biggest lolita community ever and has the biggest variety of lolita clothing. They've taken lolita and made it their own in many ways. You nostalgia-chans are deluded to think lolita hasn't moved and grown far outside of Japan. Much like how punk started in the US but spread to other countries that made it their own, there's nothing wrong with that. Fashion rarely stays confined to one culture and one interpretation.

>> No.10226797

>>10226655
There really aren’t Japanese communities, just groups of friends. The scene is quite small so there is a lot of repeaters at various events. Most events are put on by shops or brands, though there are a few people/friend groups that occasionally do events that are open to public

>> No.10226812

>>10226649
>the only reason they survive is because they're supported up by a legion of friends who swear up and down that they have great quality, and bank on the bullshit 'support local female minority lbtqia brands!

disagree, i think loads of people (myself included) like indie brands because they cater to a certain level of novelty that brands often don't, and also tend to have a higher level of customizability

>> No.10226826

>>10224594
I sometimes wish I had never grown out of my ita phase, my local comm is full of the worst dressed people I've ever met. The most popular members are fat, ugly and inept at makeup. I don't care about people being fat, but the locals are so determined to wear the most unflattering shit and are proud of it. One of them buys brand and alters it to fit her but it never looks good. Some of them wear sloppy clown makeup, some of them have the nerve to wear no makeup at all and yet, they are happy. They are the happiest fucking people because they are shameless. I put 150% into my coords and appearance because I am terrified of how people perceive me and every time I post to CoF I am scared my picture will end up on an ita thread. But it doesn't matter how much brand I am wearing, and how nice my makeup is blended or how much time it took to do my hair, the girl with a cheap plastic wig, wearing walmart flats and an AP replica is the one who gets tons of praise and attention.

>> No.10226912

>>10226797
I assume they don't care so much about drama, itas and political correctness? I'm really curious. I love how the KERA street snaps still list ’coord inspiration’, and how back in the day street snaps had ’my boom’ マイブーム. Is that still a thing? I'm not trying to be naive, or romanticize it, just nosey about things like this!

>> No.10226921

>>10226677
i've found that people who are really good at makeup get told that they are/asked to teach others. if you're good, why don't you? doing another person's makeup is a normal activity

>> No.10226923

>>10226921
Because my comm is full of snowflakes who would cry about how much of a bully you are if you offered them any advice. Ironically a good portion of them also openly talk about going on here and lolcow kek.

>> No.10226925

>>10226649
>omitting the g
Was this intentional per you, or per the people you're talking about?

>> No.10226926

>>10226739
I wish my friends and I had the same taste. All he other gothic lolita I know are completely batshit.

>> No.10227088

>>10226921
It's very different to offer and to be asked. If they don't mention that they think you're good at makeup or that they want to improve their own skill, offering is basically saying you think they're bad at makeup. If they're not asking for concrit, it's pretty rude, no matter how bad they are.

>> No.10227094

All the girls at my comm are terrible.
Most don't use makeup, or have the most basic coording skills I've ever seen. One went to an AP tea party and took pictures with other girls. She looked like a frog. She didn't even style her hair.
The only redeemable girls only ever wear the same thing without changes. I want a different comm.

>> No.10227111

>>10226921
Because it’s lazy, like someone wanting to copy your homework and also unrealistic because what I’ve learned only works for my face. I spent years experimenting and figuring it out on my own, the friends that ask me are the type that can’t be bothered to do the same. Plus they’re usually people who don’t understand the fundamental concepts and I don’t really feel like teaching them. Bitch, how about you spend several hours a week watching tutorials like I did for the last few years and not ask me to spoonfeed you. YouTube is free. I look good because I put in the work, if she wants to look good she can do the same

>> No.10227128

>>10227111
If you've only learned to do your own face, that's generally not what's considered bring ’good at makeup’, that’s only being decently skilled at putting on your own which is frankly something most adult women can do.

But you cant have it both ways, cry that your com has such shit makeup but also be so completely unwilling to even try to help them a little.

Some comms have had manicure meets, why not a make up meet? Go to Sephora. Get them talking in the comm group beforehand on which makeup skills they would like to improve, encourage people to post makeup tips and photos, give your own tactful tips and links. To me, that not spoon feeding or being insulting/critical about their current make up. It's kindly addressing the issue in a way to hopefully help the problem improve.

>> No.10227144

Confession: I'm going go laugh my ass off if Safiya Nygaard’s video unleashes a wave of corset-wearing braided hair noobs wearing high-low dresses and chunky platform shoes. I'm here for this. She looked better than a good half the people in most lolita event and meetup group photos who actually are supposed to know what they are going already.

I wish she would now go to AP and Baby SF and get an American style lolita makeover and go to an event, and talk about the differences...but holy shit please don't let Lor have anything to do it.

Y'all west coast lolitas should invite her to a meetup.

>> No.10227181

>>10226826
Oof, your comm sounds like it has a bad culture and you sound like you have a bad attitude. If you're not an ita and you get posted in the ita thread all that happens is people saying "nitpick" or "vendetta" or "I like this actually", there's nothing to even be afraid of. Worrying about popular members or about getting praise and attention from your comm seems bizarre.

>> No.10227202

>>10227111
so you're just a lazy cunt then

>> No.10227204

>>10227128
Ayrt, I’m not the one crying about my comm, just a gull sick of my plain friends asking me to “show them how to do makeup”
And I don’t know where you live but I live in a big city and most women are not competent at doing makeup

>> No.10227207

>>10227202
Nah it’s just not my job to teach someone how to be an adult. Part of being an adult is being self-sufficient as much as possible, not a little baby that waits for help . Refusing to watch a makeup tutorial and expecting me to hold their hands makes them lazy, not me

>> No.10227251

>>10227207
You probably started watching makeup tutorials back when they were still useful and not just cash grabsp

>> No.10227259

>>10227251
Don’t watch retarded sell outs then, Wayne Goss gives good simple advice that isn’t drag levels of makeup. Pony is another good option for softer makeup looks. It’s there if you look, no one has to teach anyone.

>> No.10227260

>>10227259
If you follow what he does you look like a clown, might look good on pics with filter but not irl

>> No.10227264

>>10226795
Can we stop acting like the soulless Chinese appropriation of literally everything that feeds the capitalist beast in in any way a good thing

>> No.10227265

>>10226795
Ah yes, that's why all Japanese brands now release meme prints instead of continued what they've been doing for years

>> No.10227267

>>10227260
He has multiple videos on various styles from over the top to just how to make your base look smooth. His older videos have some focus on simple looks. If you can’t pick and chose and think for yourself maybe don’t try makeup?

>> No.10227268

>>10226797
There literally are Japanese comms and "clubs" that organise lolita meets

>> No.10227274

>>10227268
How are the meets compared to Western ones? I want too see if there are noticeable differences.

>> No.10227278

>>10227088
I would love for someone to do my make-up just because I enjoy the process, just like when someone else does my hair. But I think it would be awkward to ask. I used to have a friend who loved doing my hair and make-up but she moved away unfortunately.

>> No.10227280

>>10227274
They sometimes have special guests, like Misako or other models, and they post group pictures on twitter and line

>> No.10227299

>>10226616
Yeah. People try to get a rise out of me by sending screen shots of group chats I'm not in where they are talking about me being "secret trans". It's like they want a rise out of me, that we're all suppose to be both trans-inclusive as a comm and yet also be offended at the idea of being called trans... So whatever. My greatest revenge is going to be after I get pregnant once me and my husband finally buy a house.

Until then they're still chattering about a phantom peen.

>> No.10227304

>>10227144
The SF comm is 1% cute girls with gorgeous coords, 30% average looking girls with basic/average coords, and the rest are ugly/fat/ita/Tumblr ilk. It'd be an embarrassment for lolitas around the world if Safiya featured them in a video.

>> No.10227311

I could wear Lolita to work but I can't seem to get up early enough to do it. Even if I go to bed early I still roll out of bed 10 minutes before I need to leave. At most I wear ETC cutsew dresses with leggings. I'm such a slug.

>> No.10227338

>>10227311
Same but I have adhd and sometimes I even have to pull things from my boyfriends closet because I didn't do laundry. This is why I buy as many cutsew dresses as I reasonably can.

>> No.10227350

>>10227338
Oh, that makes sense, I have ADD too actually.

>> No.10227352

>>10227311

Oh gosh I'm the same. I barely get up in time for work, cutsew dresses are my savior too but nothing will ever be post worthy since I literally pull a dress over and run to work. Forget makeup too, the most I ever do is bb cream and even that feels thick by the end of the day so it's just plain faced me in possibly mis matched jfashion at work.

>> No.10227384

>>10227304
With AP and Baby shops right there? Say it isn't so, anon. Whyyy? That's awful.

>> No.10227460

>>10227265
Have you seen all of baby’s new weird satiny releases? 100% aimed at the Chinese market. Orange satin? Lmao

>> No.10227468

>>10226795

Baby and AP are getting bent over hard, but I don't really see it in other brands. Abilletage for instance, discussed above, has kept a very consistent aesthetic, and is actually still quite popular both with Japanese and Chinese.

>> No.10227470

>>10227468
One reason is be use they don't have to size up for Chinese. I think many Japanese brands aren't too happy with requests for making things bigger.

>> No.10227474

>>10227311
I get that. I have a sleep disorder and it takes a freight train just to wake me up and get me out the door before I'm going be late. There's barely enough time in the morning to look decent in normie clothes, much less cute j-fashion.

>> No.10227475

>>10227470

The other thing to keep in mind is that Chinese lolitas aren't a monolith either. While the trends certainly are going for more OTT and crazy prints, there are definitely Chinese who appreciate the aesthetic of Abilletage, AtePie, and even classic brands like VM and MM. Some things will move towards a more trendy market to cater to those Chinese for sure, but there are others who do just fine being themselves, because as always, there are niches within niches and the same is true for Chinese just as anyone else.

>> No.10227480

>>10227311
>>10227338
>>10227352
>>10227474
I hope you do better for meets, this sounds like you look awful on the daily. No shower? Ugh.

>> No.10227498

>>10227480

>what is bathing before bedtime

>> No.10227506

>>10227480

When I have time, I like to put care into my makeup and hair, whether for meets or for myself. Part of what destresses me in lolita is the process of looking good.

At work, I notice a lot of people with crusty mascara, cakey dry foundation, and eyeliner falling off. YMMV but I'd rather not look like that if I can help it.

>> No.10227511

>>10227480
Lmao, okay salty-chan. Meets are usually scheduled a lot later than school or work, so I have more time to get ready anyway.

Also, I usually shower before bed, like a lot of people.

>> No.10227537

>>10226795
Chinese are like peak bugladies, though. They ARE the replica market. It would not exist without the Chinese solely being behind it. Lolita to them is also all about fuerdai flexing money over the impoverished girls who can only afford taobao. They're the tackiest of any lolita community and no amount of money changes their New Money antics. A reminder that brands like To Alice actually sell replicas on the side in a different storefront so the owners can ironically afford Japanese lolita brands. That's common among taobao lolita brands, but people turn a blind eye to it.

>> No.10227543

>>10227537

This honestly just sounds like another average day in a drama filled comm. Maybe in Western comms they aren't selling replicas but some neet is trying to scalp bodyline for their brand addiction. The rest is same old.

>> No.10227546

>>10227338
Adhd is bad with me and regular laundry. I need to purge my regular clothes, badly. I get you there.

With lolita, it's not as bad because I treat it like a collection, and I hyperfocus over the items and taking care of them, displaying them nicely. But sometimes at the end of meets or events, things kind of sit hanging on hooks or in garment bags for a few weeks until I finally put them back.

I don't feel like getting dolled up to wear it on the regular, even though I work from home and have a lot more free time. I do want to make it a point to wear lolita 2-3 times a week but I can't be bothered with it. Makeup gets irritating as much as I enjoy collecting it and applying it and I don't feel right going out in it plain-faced as I do with normie clothing. It's not a confidence thing so much as effort and sensory-related irritation and probably a bit of Rejection sensitivity put into the mix too.

>> No.10227553 [DELETED] 

>>10227543
Bodyline scalping is absolutely not the same as having an entire black market in your country dedicated to ripping off the companies you supposedly love. Chinese lolitas are truly the scum of the fashion, but they're just a necessary evil brands must embrace. Leaks from the company show they have disdain for them.

>> No.10227555

>>10227543
Bodyline scalping is absolutely not the same as having an entire black market in your country dedicated to ripping off the companies you supposedly love. Chinese lolitas are truly the scum of the fashion, but they're just a necessary evil brands must embrace. Leaks from the companies show they have disdain for them.

>> No.10227557

>>10227553
What leaks? Also curious to know about the second to Alice storefront. In any case it's obviously not all of them doing it. Most of them are fine.

>> No.10227603

>>10227557
Baby the Stars Shine Bright once had a volunteer staff members called "Sana", openly loathing foreign lolitas first then hating on Chinese when they got to be the main audience. Apparently the staff kept something like a burn book/blacklist book, where they'd write down names of blacklisted people and comments like "Dumbass forgot their address when ordering" and "Fat foreigner" and "Stupid Chinese". BtSSB once had a reputation for banning people for literally anything, before they had their more streamlined webshop. You once had to manually enter what you wanted and hoped it'd be in stock like IW's website. You can see a lot of hate for them constantly banning Westerners if you look into old BtSSB entries on egl LJ. They actually, purposefully sent out faulty goods to foreigners and there's angry review entries. I'll dig them out if you want to see.

The Chinese hate actually made everything come to a boiling point and exposed it, so good for them, I guess. Isobe himself learned they were banning a lot of the rich Chinese customers and actually had to make a public apology over it. The absurd bans basically stopped and "Sana", who was actually outed as Misako something (Maybe someone could help me remember her last name. Not to be confused with Misako Aoki). She was some musician/jrock Japanese girl who was a friend of the company. She basically volunteered when they'd get clogged with orders and helped BtSSB for free. She was the cause of countless Western lolitas being banned over the years. There were others in staff doing what she did too, but we never learned who they were. I assume Isobe really cleaned his volunteers because I don't hear of the blacklisting issue at all now.

>> No.10227608

>>10227603

Dang. Sorry for being clueless but while I knew about the BTSSB blacklist, I never knew the story behind it (I generally don't buy from them new). And yeah, that makes sense since we never hear of BTSSB blacklisting now. Good on the Chinese for being obnoxious as fuck, sounds like the problem would have continued for westerners too if they just lay there and took it.

>> No.10227617

>>10227537
Yes! It’s the new money aesthetic that I hate about all the styles that are catering to the Chinese. So much satin and dripping lace and chiffon. No clean lines and quality through well-made materials. They’re all about show>quality

>> No.10227620

>>10227264
>>10227537
>>10227555
Holy racism Batman. Western lolitas are indisputably the scum of the fashion, as you're showing here. You don't see Chinese lolitas having a drama site where they post pics of other lolitas and shit all over them as this board does, nor insisting that you have to wear Japanese brands to be a lolita. They're much more inclusive and less toxic.

>> No.10227642

>>10227480
Do you not bathe at night and get into your bed all sweaty and gross from the day? Disgusting.

>> No.10227704

>>10227620
You dont get out much do you? Chinese lolitas are the worst about being racist towards ‘western piggu’ Women. Vicious. But always behind closed doors.

>> No.10227720

>>10227704
So that makes your own racism fine? oic

>> No.10227723

>>10227704
So just like what you're doing right?

>> No.10227736

>>10227720
I wasn’t the anon you were replying to, I like Chinese lolitas I have met just fine. But I’m a realist and asked and got some fun answers about what they think of westerners because my friend spoke Chinese and we were all drinking champagne. They were nice, just like me and my white friends, also flawed, petty sometimes and gossip and human nature often prevails, just like with me and my white friends. No biggie.

>> No.10227741

>>10227620
You've never been outside of your own little bubble, how could you possibly know that the Chinese are flawed, vicious, petty humans like the rest of us?

>> No.10227878

>>10227278
I once volunteered to walk in a fashion show largely because I assumed that someone who knew what they were doing would be doing my hair and makeup, and I thought it might get me out of my comfort zone style-wise. Turns out they expected the models to do everything themselves, including provide the entire coord sans dress. Thank Mana for wigs and YT makeup tutorials.

>> No.10227899

>>10227620
You are so very naive. Someone dig out Chinese Gossip's post on here and lolcow please.

>> No.10227903

Ive slowly cut myself away from friends after realizing theyre not that great of people, but i feel somewhat guilty for essentially ghosting. I want to have lolita friends so badly but i feel like every time i finally meet some in person theyre so much different

>> No.10227928

>>10227878
Lol, that’s because they are very amateurish about most lolita fashion shows! But you really need to have good overall pieces and decent variety and really good hair and makeup skills anyway for lolita. Even a well done coord just looks unfinished without good hate and makeup. Most people don’t pay nearly enough attention to the details and believe me. it shows.

>> No.10227929

>>10227928
*good hair and makeup, jeez.

>> No.10227936

>>10227899
I wish she hadn’t disappeared. Her posts were fun.

>> No.10227994

I have sex and drink alcohol in my Lolita XDDD

>> No.10228005
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>>10227994

>> No.10228394

>>10227899
Chinese Gossip's posts were about LORP which no longer exists and that info is outdated. There's hasn't been any 'mean' board for chinese lolitas in years, and even then they weren't as bad as us. Stop being ignorant.

>> No.10228399

>>10228394
That doesn't mean much when their entire country runs on 'social credit' now.
If there was a true cesspit then they'd be risking their lives on jokes and meaningless dramaposting.
Sure, Chinese govt is just as anti-west as they seem, but if their talk left their borders it would be disgraceful.

>> No.10228422

>>10225355
I did the same but I think on a bit of a lesser scale. I never posted anything about my comm and didn't stir much shit locally but I participated in stuff like shitting on "e-famous" lolitas that cgl saw as cringey and now I just kind of feel like a lot of them didn't even do much wrong. For example Isaki. I remember that girl made a bunch of bad "tutorials" but in hindsight she just seems like a newbie who got too excited and jumped the gun on making videos before she knew much. I feel a little bad for making fun of her and people like her now.

>> No.10228593

>>10228394
Chinese gossip talked about the main chinese comms in general, not only platform.
>even then they weren't as bad as us.
From what she told they were exactly as bad as us + a heavy dose of xenophobia. Just go to the archive.

>> No.10229341

>>10225355
I did some really shitty things and said some really nasty shit in cosplay circles back in the early 2000's (catsonmars, cosplay fucks, lj, and in person). I did eventually go on to be a cosplay judge, run contests and do some positive things in the community before I left for lolita, but I also look back with a great deal of regret damn near 15+ years later. There was a lot wrong with me then and in reality, I was taking out my insecurities on others and desperately seeking approval because I didn't have anywhere else to turn for it. Funny, because I'd been on the other end of that for a long time, I should have known better.

A decade is a long time to mature as well as reflect. Beyond that, the board culture and the lolita community in general has changed and exploded drastically since 2009. A lot of those old faces may have left the fashion. There are a lot of new lolitas, and there are a lot of people here doing those same cunty things, probably for similar reasons. I think you'll be fine. It does sting, in retrospect and I don't think it ever will go away, no matter how much good you try to do to make up for it.

>> No.10229643

>>10225455
meetups and being apart of a comm is dumb imo
Having your own group of friends is the best way to enjoy lolita

>> No.10229647

>>10229643
How did you get that group? I went to a meet twice but the lolitas I met were all a different age group and/or live too far away.

>> No.10229667

Confession: with few exceptions, I don't like most of the lolitas I have met. I don't hate anyone but we have little in common. I don't go to comm meets too often, I more just go to outside events with a small group of people I do like and I look forward to seeing others yearly at Paradiso. I wish there was a second big US event later in the year. I enjoy the larger, more elegant events.

>> No.10229677

>>10229667
desu basing a whole community and therefore friendships on clothing alone is pretty dumb. there are so many different types that wear lolita, from edgy people to weebs to elegant to snobs to normies who wear it maybe once or twice a year to "fit in" like... of course You will probably not have much in common with everyone who wears sweat pants daily, what makes you think a dress is any different.

>> No.10229994

>>10226739
I introduced many friends of mine to lolita by giving away my brand to them. They never sell it even though they don't use it much. They are very good friends, better than see an ugly girl use something I once cared about till it's sleeves grows yellow (couse they don't really wash their stuff, honestly)

>> No.10229996

>>10226744
I'd give it to you as long as you are not an uglyfag too

>> No.10230065

>>10226330
Me too

>> No.10230075

>>10227537
How to find out which other taobao brands do this? How do you know this about To Alice?

>> No.10230105

I feel so miserable for not having enough money to spend on Abilletage.

>> No.10230194

>>10229677
NAYRT, I think its more the weight this community puts on, well, community. So many people act like you should be in a comm or else youre an outlier. And you see it in newbies too, sooo excited to go to their first meet or saying “gee i wish i had a comm”. Even though no one says it explicitly its very heavily implied that having a comm is a major portion of this fashion when it isnt

>> No.10230202

>>10230194
Hard agree. I’m speaking for the US only because I live here but this is what I’ll say: Most comms suck, all you have to do is look at the photos and read a bit. Very few are full of well dressed and pretty people doing elegant and fun things, discussing and wearing new releases and supporting each other, which is what the idea of these comms supposedly was. The minute people started hosting shit like open meets and lolita 101 and just gathering with a bunch of curious and badly dressed weebs, the whole ‘lolita comm’ thing goes away. Brand teas and lolita fashion shows, small gatherings of hand-picked friends, maybe a yearly gala or lolita focused event (past: RuffleCon, currently: Paradiso), that is your chance for finding any good lolitas. There aren’t enough to build a bunch of comms outside of the major cities here. Hell even Bay Area comm and NYC are full of their share of itas. Photo after photo of badness doesn’t lie, no matter how we might wish it otherwise. Also we have a growing bad mentality where Cracker Barrel meets and bad handmade shit is argued as ‘just fine’ for lolita. It’s not.

>> No.10230213

>>10230202
>The minute people started hosting shit like open meets and lolita 101 and just gathering with a bunch of curious and badly dressed weebs
Wait.. American comms organise meets that aren't only attended by lolitas? Why..?

>> No.10230214

>>10230105
Same

>> No.10230216

>>10227480
Adhd anon here. Showering is literally the only thing I do every day. I do makeup in the bus if I was able to bring it. I often don't have breakfast or drink anything. If I prepared lunch the day before, I usually eat that in the bus. I have cancelled meets last minute because I couldn't get ready on time but I cant do that with work. I suppose I do often look like shit, trust me I'm not happy about it either.

>> No.10230223

>>10227603
You are exaggerating so much and it's unnecessary

>> No.10230224

>>10230213
>>10230213
>lolita 101
This are typically panels at anime conventions. They aren't a bad way to properly inform and educate people how to begin wearing the fashion. It's easy to access now, and any weeb can walk into a dealers booth, buy some cheap taobao dress and cat ears from the same booth and call it lolita. That functions as education and a way to inform others that the bar is high, this is how to do it right as a beginner.

On the other hand, a lot of American comms don't have many well dressed or elegant people is that isn't really a part of our culture any longer. Femininity, elegance and carrying yourself gracefully, wearing clothing that flatters you, and good posture isn't taught, is even frowned upon or thought of as shaming/restricting, and it's certainly not something that most nerdy/weeby girls get into. It's something you have to teach yourself.

Lolita crosses this weird hybrid between Japanese culture (and pop culture) and a timeless elegance and class. A lot of people see it for the kawaii but don't really grasp this other side, or realize it's even a thing that can make or break how you look in the fashion.

Also, some just don't care even if you brought it up to them.

Not to hold myself on a higher standard, because this is my biggest issue. I saw myself in the background of some videos and realized I look like a troglodyte in head to to brand with well done makeup. I may as well have been wearing a stained and ripped sweats. It's something I'm working on.

>> No.10230228

>>10230213
Because they want to ‘grow the comm’, expand the hobby and try to get more people interested. It doesn’t work that way. I think you need people who can already dress in lolita for themselves, and there are never very many.
I did speak to a comm leader about it and it seems she doesn’t like to just go out with only a small group dressed up in lolita because she is self-conscious. But I’m much more self conscious trying to meet with a larger bunch of half-lolita dressed weebs, many of whom don’t even know how to behave in public...so these kinds of comms and meets really put me off and I am someone who dresses often in lolita. I can’t be the only one saying ‘Hm, no thanks’ to these kinds of comms. She still invites me but I rarely go.

>> No.10230229

>>10230223
nayart, but I was there for this era, and this is 100% correct.

I avoided purchasing from Baby directly, except the USA branch. This was as recent as maybe 2013-2014, maybe a little before that, but LJ was still active and not everyone had entirely migrated to social media platforms.

>> No.10230232

>>10227608
Don't believe everything you read newbie.

>> No.10230242

>>10230224
I think the 101 panels get weebs fired up and even more likely to buy a taobao dress and cat ears where otherwise they wouldn’t if the meets and groups were more closed, vetted for full lolitas and not just open ‘anyone can join’ projects. But of course someone will call elitist over this and so it goes. The ones that don’t care then should not cry to get left out from the parties where yes, the elegance and manners do matter. If they truly don’t care, why do they bitch about it?

I feel for you on the work you need to put in because manners, posture, elegance etc is needed for good lolita no matter who might think it’s not, but hopefully now that you realize it, you can correct the things causing you to not look your best. I see so many people who slouch, who walk like a draft horse, who don’t know adequate table manners. So yes, for many who actually were taught these things, it’s a pretty glaring difference.

>> No.10230261

>>10227928
I pay attention to my hair and make-up, I just suck at it and am ugly.

>>10230242
>But of course someone will call elitist over this and so it goes.
This doesn't happen in European comms. I've literally never heard of or seen a comm/meet that allowed people without a full coord, and I've lived in 6 EU countries.

>> No.10230262

>>10230242
We're trying to close off our community a lot more for this reason. I'm all for educating, but people have to do their own self-work as well before showing that they are ready to join.

I often go pretty in-depth with my panels. I feel like people who do them often just graze over the basics in a few slides. I really go into what makes or breaks an outfit, I have a lot of examples that I physically bring and allow people to touch so they can get a really good feel for what to look for, scams, price points, how bad replicas or the shit you find on Wish really can be.

There will always be that person in the crowd that buys or makes the shitty items and never learns, but normally I tend to persuade the crowds in better directions. I've seen a few people who just got into the fashion from a panel I held and came back the next year in lovely coordinates and thanked me. So it's really rewarding in that regard.

There's always going to be clueless people and you just can't help them because they won't help themselves. On the other hand, in the time I've been into lolita, a majority of the horrible dressers or "characters" I've encountered see their way out or improve. The best thing anyone can do is try to set an example and live by it, rather than forcing people to your standards.

>> No.10230265

I've wiped my face with the lining of my dress after accidentally throwing beer on my face. (you know, when you take a sip from a bottle too quickly and lots of foam comes up)

>> No.10230310

>>10230261
Then we should take a page from the book of these European comms and do the same and not allow it because it’s getting bad over here with someone wearing a dress from F21, plopping a cosplay wig on their head and lolifying the rest. I know one girl who thrifts and handmakes a kind of lolita-esque look, has no brand or even off brand, and no plans to buy any (because poorfag) but thinks her ‘style’ is just fine for attending lolita meets.

>>10230262
I’m not willing to go out to meets with mostly clueless and badly dressed people so I’m thinking of trying a meet with a coordinate requirement and seeing how it goes. Otherwise I’ll stick to events with a good dress code to keep them out and otherwise be a lone lolita.

>> No.10230320

>>10225389
I was in a group like that [V_V]
The people who died were gonna kick it anyways, it's not that big a deal.
I'm lulling at your edgy ass candor about your group.

>> No.10230322

>>10230265
Wow, no hanky?
Are you even a lolita?

>> No.10230371

>>10230261
How do you keep them out then? I joined my local comm last year and there were already people in the FB group who had not gotten their first coord together yet and they have been in the group longer. Today they still have no coord. There are 30 or so girls in the group, maybe 5-6 come to meets, one wears only lolified things, 2 in replicas, some just read and post on the group. Of 30, maybe 5-6 of us are decently dressed in actual lolita and then most of them besides me and one other girl are in very casual cutsew style. The leader keeps saying ’we need more members’ but I know there are a few lone lolitas in the area who dress well and would never join this kind of comm. But I'm afraid if I start a fresh group only for those who can dress nice enough for a tea party or museum outing or such, it will bring drama. Should I just make any meet I host require a coord or just become a lone lolita?

>> No.10231092

>>10230371
just host your own events

>> No.10231269

>>10224628
>I don't wear bloomers. Never have, likely never will.

Tramp! Tart! Vixen! Harlot!

>> No.10231286

>>10224628
>I don't wear bloomers. Never have, likely never will.
Scarlet women? In my thread? It's more likely than you think.

>> No.10231698

>>10230371
Ayrt. We don't make separate comms for cities and regions. We have 1 for the whole country, so there are hundreds of people who do wear lolita. No place for lolitas at heart. Leave that comm and join a real one.

>> No.10231704

>>10224644
>if you don't wear bloomers your coord is incomplete
How can you even try to micromanage someone to this point? You shouldn't even be able to tell whether someone's wearing bloomers or not.

>> No.10231707

>>10231704
I don't care what you do. Bloomers are part of a lolita coord.

>> No.10231711

>>10231704

That's part of why butthole inspection days exist, gee anon. Are you even part of a comm?

>> No.10231712

>>10231711
Knew someone was going to say it.
While we're on the subject though, I feel like lolitas often let their comms take up way more importance in their lives than they should.

>>10231707
They're ugly and make you feel like an ageplayer, though.

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>>10231712

Yeah bloomers were never worn by anyone other than kids.

I don't wear bloomers either, but you're a bit silly anon.

>> No.10231953

>>10231715
Really though, op faggot here, I wear skirts more than anything and waistband+waistband+waistband is probably a short ticket to ibs, and I'm not really about that atm.

>> No.10231988

I don't really care about lolita fashion anymore. No new releases or events interest me, and I don't know how to feel about this. I probably should just not give it much thought, it's just clothing for me in the end and I do have a wardrobe full of clothes that I like and wear. Just feels so weird that something that I liked so much before just doesn't do it anymore.

>> No.10232089

>>10231953

Right now it's pretty warm where I am so I can't even think of wearing more layers under my polyester heat sink, but I was commenting on anon thinking bloomers are ageplay, which is a tired meme being used erroneously here.

>> No.10232107

>>10231953
i just wear exercise/sports shorts, they're comfy, and since no one is supposed to see them anyway what does it matter

>> No.10232113

>>10231988
tastes change anon, don't feel bad about it. Also you might just have depression. But for real it's normal to lose interest in things over time. I went through a period of about 2 years where I didn't wear lolita at all, now I'm back to wearing it pretty much every weekend out. If you think you're fully out of it, just keep one or two of your fave dresses and sell off the rest. Better than letting them rot in a closet for the next 5 years.

>>10231953
same here. I wear pantyhose most of the time with lolita so skirt+petti+pantyhose+bloomers leaves me with legit marks around my waist. Especially with Rose Toilette man fuck that skirt. If I'm not wearing pantyhose I might wear light pj shorts or other loose "safety shorts" but most of the time I just wear boxer briefs lol

>> No.10232114

I've barely gotten to wear lolita in the last 2 years because of work (stopped for now), school, and the fatigue my meds give me. Feels bad because I want to go out shopping/browsing with friends in it, but every time things happen with quick notice or I'm feeling too gross/tired to put my makeup and everything on.

I did manage to wear it for a bit with my normie friend though. She's not going to get into it, but she seemed pretty excited to wear it around her apartment even if her boyfriend hated it.

I've gone to my doctors about the fatigue, but the only thing they suggest is changing my prescription, but I'm too close to grad to risk burn out/anxiety/suicidal thoughts because I changed my meds.
It's even more annoying because I'm ADD, have successfully been on ADD meds before, and they'd probably help with the fatigue among other things.

TL;DR too tired to wear anything

>> No.10232118

>>10231712
>They're ugly and make you feel like an ageplayer, though.

If fancy safety shorts make you feel like an ageplayer, then you might be the one with a problem, anon.

>> No.10232132

>If you're a REAL lolita then why do you like ...
>If you were REALLY into lolita fashion then you wouldn't...
>IF you ACTUALLy wear lolita then why do you have all of this ... on your blog/personal facebook/other personal space on social media

I hate when people feel the need to be like REAL lolitas don't do xyz and its always something they personally don't like or disapprove of

cause it's just like, I have a life outside of this hobby. and it's almost always normies or people who don't even wear the fashion to start with who do it.

like i have a life outside of this fashion. i don't have to scrub every other aspect of my life just because it's unpopular among other lolitas or doesn't suit the aesthetic or something. i have non lolita hobbies and interests. my life doesn't revolve around this hobby.

>> No.10232185

>>10231712
It's not my problem you sexualize lolita fashion

>> No.10232188

>>10231712
>>10231715
If you hate historical children's fashion I don't know why you like lolita? Or are you one of those people who hate most brand releases?

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>>10232114

If you really want, you could switch to cutsew dresses or fairy kei, it takes the formality down several notches. Quite often you can get away with a bare face and put all your hair up in a scrunchy, then go for comfy shoes from sneaker companies (Skechers make a few slip-ons that aren't sneakers, and some of their sneakers come in pastels, whichever is your thing).

For AP there's usually even a couple of releases each year where they combine a print into a cutsew OP, so you'd still be able to have a cute print while dressed casually.

>> No.10232566

>>10232132

I've literally never seen anyone post that sort of thing, ever. Aside from the ageplay thing, and even then that leans a lot more towards "please keep it seperate".

>> No.10232573

>>10232566
fwiw, there are people here on /cgl/ that swear if you don't wear lolita nearly daily, you are a con-lita, a larper, and are treating the fashion like a costume for wearing it when you feel it's most comfortable or appropriate.

>> No.10232590

People need to stop telling newbies that their first purchase should be a petticoat. Your first purchase should always be the dress so you know which shape petticoat you actually need.

>> No.10232592

>>10232573
I've never seen that

>> No.10232593

>>10224624
> Aus lolitas were a thing for a minute and then they weren't.
Deerstalkers stopped creating lolita content

>> No.10232594

>>10232590
There's a reason we say petticoat. It's because usually noobs get overexcited about the single dress and wear a shit coord with a dress, normie blouse and shoes and absolutely no petticoat. At least this way the quality of baby's first coords has improved over the years.

>> No.10232834

>>10232573

Same.

I've seen people complain about coslitas and conlitas, but the requirement was never ever even "wear it daily or else".

I think you're hyperboling, but honestly if you make these kinds of gross generalisations I wouldn't be surprised if all your coords miss the mark since you're unable to differentiate the finer details.

>> No.10233039

>>10232566
I had someone tell me that I'm not actually a lolita because I have too much weeb shit on my blog to actually be a lolita. It's only ever been normies who have passing knowledge of it because of tumblr or social media.