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Old thread hit image limit >>10318530

This thread is for ouji and aristocrat (aka "boystyle") discussion. "Boystyle" is shorthand for "boystyle lolita" and refers to the masculine counterparts of Japanese lolita and, often, aristocrat fashions. There is a lot of overlap between these styles, and different people use different terms to describe them. We usually just use "ouji" here.

>Shopping spreadsheet

>Buttcape-sensei's shopping guide (mentions which brands/shops have men's or custom sizes):

>Blogs for current boystyle releases, news, and info

Google your questions before asking them here.

Read the whole thread before asking questions here.

OC and selfposts encouraged! Random picspam discouraged.

Discussion: Seriously. What resources for ouji are left? Even the Japanese oujis are circulating old Buttcape material. Comment below with the resources you use.

>> No.10370405

i do not know enough about Christopher Nemeth to know if $800 is worth it for a coat, but the long vest looks good

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because of the novel coronavirus, Noble Noire's late-March Harajuku Gothic Walk was canceled. instead, they announced the Air Gothic Walk, and encouraged people to post their gothic coords online.

here are some ouji coords from Twitter that were shared shared for the virtual "walk".


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>Even the Japanese oujis are circulating old Buttcape material.
this is not a joke.

>> No.10370912

I have read this academic article on Lolita that used this same three layer scale, not the photo just the same three sections. I wonder if they used Buttcape’s scale, would have to look at the sources.

>> No.10370946

way to make it obvious you're the one who posted that cringy response.

>> No.10371110

Where do you get good wigs that suit this fashion? My comm keeps reccomending me dreamholic and ebay but I just want to make sure the quality's good.

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new AatP release, one size

let us know what you find


i have wondered if that person is the anti-buttcape poster from the last thread

eBay wigs can be useful for practicing how to cut and style wigs, but i would not rely on them because they are just TaoBao dropshippers of uneven quality.

dreamholic is all right. LocoLoco is currently very popular among alt fashionistas in Japan.

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another release, but in both sizes: https://babyssb.shop/category/select/cid/347/pid/11216

>> No.10371401

Where can I find nice shoes new? I don't have a budget or anything special.

>> No.10371722

because i wear gothic, i use Yosuke USA. what is your preferred style?

for classic, American Duchess has a good reputation, but a limited selection ourside of women's sizes.

Vivienne Westwood is an iconic brand for shoes, and has endured in ouji for decades, especially the rocking horse varieties.

you can also look for specific styles of shoes. brogues are made by many brands and in many different colors and levels of quality.

generally speaking, flat shoes do not work well for ouji. heels or platforms look better.

>> No.10371800

What the hell is going on here, the sleeves are like 3/4 length with a cuff, vest is XBOX HUEG, these proportions are so insanely off it looks like they made the vest for a large man and the blouse for a small girl

>> No.10371910

the pants look proportional, at least.

i wish they had a picture of the coord worn on a model.

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the back is slightly better, but not by much.

>> No.10371971

Im doing gothic. I checked yosukes stock and didn't like any of the styles that they had available right now, so i was hoping for an alternative. I do prefer heeled/platformed shoes.

>> No.10372485

Demonia is a Western gothic brand that sort of defines the look of gothic shoes. their stock may not be great, but you might find some unused winklepickers or pikes on second-hand websites.

i have also heard good things about Underground brand shoes, but i cannot get their website to work at this time.

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how about Fluevog?

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some snaps from this month's Gothic and Lolita Market

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I don't know if I'd call it ouji, but I love this, anon.

>> No.10374709


Don't self-post fake praise, anon.

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this is better. thank you, AatP.

>> No.10375240

I swear it is not me =/

Ayrt, Thanks anon!! ^^
I will post more as soon as i improve my clothing. As the gulls said in the last thread, im still too "flat". That will take a while though!

>> No.10375321


will you stop posting already? you're not attractive and no lolita will fug u in or out of ouji.

>> No.10375324

No we told you in the last thread that your shitty Phantom of the Opera movie extra outfits suck ass.

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No one here like this. I try not to be a jerk, but it's true. In the extremely unlikely case that it isn't you the poster is either a troll trying to trick you into continuing to dress badly for the fashion or not an ouji, in which case their opinion doesn't matter as far as j-fash goes.
TLDR We know it's you

This looks pretty nice, what the name of it?

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>> No.10375555

no special name. the vest is "Lace Jacquard Vest".

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whoa that was not very much concrit of you

Believe or not, it is not me. I come here to improve my ouji and to be yelled at. I truly like the honest opinions here. I am not here for self acceptance. I dont come here to hear compliments to feel good about myself.
Looks like she really liked it, which i thought it i cute and ofc i'd reply to.

>> No.10376533

you will never be ouji. ever.

>> No.10376543

since you can see the future, can you let us know when Moitie will release a major aristocrat piece such as a long gilet?

>> No.10376545

we. don't. like. you.

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I found a seller called blues789jp on yahoo, selling a variety of very cool brands with similar styles to fluevog, most of them sitting around $130.

why such hate for this guy? this place is usually not very spicy

>> No.10376633

He was being pretty dumb in the last thread and ignoring advice while giving excuses. He clearly wants to do historical stuff but is trying ouji for some reason? (possibly to try to get girls). Overall he seems generally annoying and needs to lurk more before posting, especially when all he's "contributing" is selfies like >>10376532 along with whiny defenses.

>> No.10376867


Let's not forget the time he tried to get free art from the draw thread to give to someone for a baby shower.

>> No.10376871

i am not him. work on your samegull detection.

that's awesome, thank you

>> No.10377028

I did actually thanks for reminding me. He strikes me as a bit autistic, but annoying either way. Also >>10376871 is obviously him, and he obviously have himself that compliment upthread too. You can always tell when someone is samefagging when they don't post for days but then mysteriously post to defend themselves.

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ouji coord featured in Harajuku Pop

>Also >>10376871 is obviously him
anon, no.

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in addition to the "air" gothic walk, alternative fashion groups have been meeting remotely in Japan as the country encourages more people to self-isolate with the Stay Home campaign. Jiro, an ouji whose coords have often been used for the /ouG/ OP, posted about an ouji-specific remote meetup, which involved 6 oujis. he had matcha cake.

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the full pic of 6 oujis which Jiro posted

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his full coordinate.

ouji in Japan is still thriving, even during self-quarantine! i hope that the Japanese economy will weather the pandemic well, since last time there was a global financial crisis, we lost many brands that made ouji clothing. it encourages me to see oujis being creative and active within the fashion.

have you participated in any remote meets, /ouG/?

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the coordinate of @mob_mod_ss

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the coordinate of @arabesquepp

>> No.10377510

nta but yes it is. no one mentioned him and he suddenly showed up. bitch clearly doesn't lurk much or he wouldn't look like such shit.

>> No.10377730

>nta but yes it is.

no. follow the reply links. i am the anon that asked about rude-anon seeing into the future. at that point, the newfriend was already being discussed.

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ouji wig-making and styling tutorial: https://blog.airily.jp/wigarrangement20190906/

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>he thinks if he pretends to be different people we won't notice
it's called samefagging, ugly boy.

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new release, pretty cute

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more info: https://babyssb.shop/category/select/cid/822

>> No.10378365

reply chains don't mean you're not samefagging.

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meta has their new “name of guardian” pants. comes with removable straps. in navy, gray, and green colourways. ¥20,800 and max waist 79cm(31 in).

more: https://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/product/detail/15860

I have a “triangle” / pear shape body so I’m looking for poofy pants that can accommodate thicker thighs but aren’t big around the west. I prefer salopettes and like the new meta release. Best brand for this based on your experiences?

>> No.10379089

meta has always been forgiving, in terms of size.

i have also heard Maxicimam, which occasionally releases ouji items, is comfortable and versatile for different body types. but i have not experienced them

>> No.10379835

thanks, gonna look into them!

>> No.10379877

I have almost these exact shoes but there is no heel decoration, and the accents are all gold. I need these, does anyone know where I can find them?

>> No.10379894


Maxicimam on their official site even mentions something about being genderless or for both sexes or something along those lines

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AatP new coat: on-brand for the front

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looking a bit Boz in the back

>> No.10380104

The material looks depressing. Hm.

>> No.10380109

Agreed, something isn’t looking that great about it. The stylistic differences of the back and the front are odd, imo.

>> No.10380113 [DELETED] 

she's small but that's super wide on her waist even though it's tightened all the way. they wouldn't have put her in a men's size, would they? have they been making new aatp stuff big enough to fit western dudes?

>> No.10380153

It looks like the terrible stretch polyester in Party City witch costumes, and if it looks that bad in stock photos, it can only look worse irl.

>> No.10380174

For once I'm glad a shirt I like didn't come in men's size, would have been such a bummer if it finally did when JapanPost have closed down all deliveries to my country.

>> No.10380431

that's not men's size? i thought for sure, it's tightened all the way and still a little boxy on her..

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a pair look featured on Tulle


>> No.10380777

Nah the model just looks like a size below the shirt size, I didn't find a separate men's sized listing, and the only options here are black (sold out) and white:

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I posted in the coord feedback thread and only got one reply. Help a beginner ouji out?

I’m short so I’m down for any kind of shoes as a manlet. I have brown skin so I’m thinking a soft brunet wig, but again, I’m down for anything.

>> No.10381564

your basic foundation is solid. focusing on blue as the accent color is a good choice, since it is a common colorway so you will be able to build off of it easily.

the coord overall seems gothic, so avoid rounded elements when you are shopping for shoes: no bows unless they are similarly bat-like, like the collar of the blouse. you also want shoes with drama to match the gothic vibe. we discussed potential gothic shoe brands upthread.

as for wig color, i think general beauty advice websites or tutorials may be more helpful than this thread. there is no rule about ouji hair color so it will just come down to your personal preference.

>> No.10381565

cheers, thanks for the helpful reply. yes, it is gothic, since that's the only thing i really enjoy.

>> No.10381696

Get a coat/cape/vest. True they're not 100% necessary but they're a good thing to start with. Are you tucking the shirt in so we can see the waistband or letting the shirt cover it? Are you wearing Moitie socks or opaque tights? This isn't very clear.

>> No.10381764

I am slowly trying to build myself an Ouji wardrobe, however most of the vest I own are too short to wear with pants. I have a bunch of vests and coats by AatP and they are all fine for Lolita, as the shortness doesn’t look off with a skirt/dress, but since I have a long torso it looks bad with pants. Any recommendations for brands that make longer vests? I was thinking about Triple Fortune maybe, as their items tend to fit well on western people, but I would like to know other people’s experience.

>> No.10381766

Thought about a cummerbund rather than buying a bunch of new vests?

>> No.10381773

All my pants are already high waisted, as those are the only ones that fit with my length, so that unfortunately won’t help. (Even with the high waist it still sits just a little below my waist.)

>> No.10381799

I’m wearing the moitie socks over the tights. I don’t want to show my legs at all. But if the OTKs come up high enough then I should be fine.

I’ll be tucking the shirt in. Thanks for the suggestion for a vest! Apologies for how unclear the image was.

>> No.10381815

Depending on how short you are the lace may be covered by the trousers and only create an expensive and uncomfortable bump. You will also have to sew the ribbons to the place you want them to be or rearrange them every other step (I've owned a couple of the older releases). Focus on garments such as waistcoats/coats rather than umbrellas imo, maybe a black waistcoat and a blue flower clip/brooch.

>> No.10381936

>Any recommendations for brands that make longer vests?
Boz, BPN, and AatP even though the ones you currently have do not work. they may long vests often

>> No.10382002

>You will also have to sew the ribbons to the place you want them to be or rearrange them every other step (I've owned a couple of the older releases).
holy shit anon, just use fucking sock glue.

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possible indie ouji brand to check out: https://calomelsha.stores.jp/

Calomels is a "classical" brand that seems pricey, a bit like Innocent World. however, the quality seems closer to "decent handmade" rather than "boutique brand" like IW is.

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here is accessories-maker and ouji Devi (of Anges et Demons) wearing Calomels

>> No.10384448

oh god it's so fucking wrinkly.

>> No.10385941

The fjord vests are extremely long, otherwise, unfortunately very high waisted pants are inexplicably difficult to find. I swear to god most boz pants are so low cut they want you to show off your hip bones or something.

>> No.10386726

Why didnt anyone put Ouji-Armoire in the links list?

>> No.10386844

well, link it now

>> No.10387039

it has been dead for a long time

>> No.10387177

Like this?

Even still, it has an immense library on their tags and lots of good inspo.
It had all the BPN, Putomayo and remnants of the time where AatP and AP produced very quality ouji pieces, pieces that today doesnt exist anymore even on the 2nd hand market.

>> No.10387296

You could still wear the cummerbund higher or choose a particuarly wide one.

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This collection has made me wish for elaborate ouji prints, the detail and texture of this is so cool, I didn't know it was possible before. I think the material/process is very expensive, and chiffon is cheaper and easier to work with, so.. just dresses, for the most part, save for the rare couple examples of border print jackets we've seen from smaller brands.

>> No.10387850

That would mean you would first see the band of my high waist pants which all have decorated buttons on it and everything, and then above that you will see the cummerbund. I don’t think that will look good at all.

>> No.10387851

i don't think cummerbunds are ouji at all...

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there is more accurate info about those items on lolibrary, i believe. Buttcape has been adding them to the site.

even with the shopping guides, people complain that things are not up-to-date. linking a dead blog does not seem like a good idea.

>> No.10387863

>>10387859 (ctd)

with the armoire, the original information they provide is limited. for example, they have partially accurate information about substyles, but with mistakes that make it not a good resource for education. mostly they mischaracterize what sweet vs classic ouji is, which is a fundamental issue to be incorrect about.

however, the tag page is intense: https://ouji-armoire.tumblr.com/tags

i think you are right in that it could be a resource for finding coords, even if some are miscatagorized. maybe if we add it to the OP, we can include a caveat to treat their information about ouji substyles with caution. the usefulness of the blog seems to be in finding coords by item, rather than as a "guide" to the style.

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Actually the Armoire is not for that: There are plenty of good content there that is difficult even to find at lolibrary. More difficult yet for a beginner.

Both Armoire and PoP brings you a lot that you don't find anywhere, and really shows how ouji looks like. It is a wonderful place for inspo. Not even lolibrary has some features like GLB pictures and pictures of people wearing the coords.


Second-Hand Ouji:
https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/tokyoalice/?t=9257724 (Click the brand, turn on Package Forwarding and search for Men's sizing)


>> No.10388635

>Baby releases masks for lolita prints
>no mask for their Fashion Cop set

why even live

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damn this coat looks good


>> No.10389563

oof not THAT good

what the sparked the average price of secondhand rolands up from 15, to 20, and now 25k? I guess brand new prices have gone up all over but even very old cuts are now being sold much higher

>> No.10389993

maybe Boz has slowed release times

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Miho Matsuda actually put out some OTKs that i like

>> No.10391865

Milk Boy spider beret at Men's Closet Child: https://www.m-closetchild.jp/phone/product/126318

if you trust the shipping delays from COVID-19, this is a good price for Milkboy

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some recent coords

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interesting pairing of Boz and Ozz

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Japanese ouji have not been doing much lately desu. Japan has decreased activities in general in order to improve their pandemic response.

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AatP's new ouji coord for lounging comfortably while you cannot leave your home

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meanwhile, Moitie...

>> No.10396136

this is... basically a normie office blouse, dude. that's sad

>> No.10396149

don't you want to style on people at the office? if i still worked in marketing i would absolutely rock this.

>> No.10396182

actually rly cool, nice to see something toned down even if it has guy fieri aura to me

>> No.10396244

It looks more like those shirts guys from post Soviet countries wear to the club

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there is also this, if you feel like literally peacocking

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>tfw only your upper half will be visible during the virtual meetup

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hot weather ouji inspo: plausibly wigless edition

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tips for summer coords:

>casual is fine
>consider using suspenders instead of a waistcoat
>bare arms are better balanced with some wristwear
>light colors are best
>learn to properly roll your shirtsleeves so you do not look like a scrub when you regret wearing long sleeves
>parasols and wide-brimmed hats can save you

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here are some portraits of ouji enjoying warm weather that did not fit in the summery portraits thread

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EGA to end

>> No.10402495

Buttcape translated the AatP x Harajuku Pop contest: https://stephano.me/fashion/blog/aatp-home-lolita-project-contest

>The theme of this round is “the dark style of blooming flowers and brilliant pirates.” Ouji style and lolita style are both welcome to enter. We are also happy to accept prince and princess remote twinning coordinates.

Will you be entering?

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>> No.10404053

The ouji prize looks good, but I don't, so I'll pass.

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not many entries for ouji so far, but i'll post what exists


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the other two are not tagged so their entries may be coming later

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