Natural/Mori/Vintage JFashion General

[Anonymous No.10451283]

Last thread died a while ago >>10383388

As mori girl, dolly kei and the like haven't been popular enough lately to keep own threads alive, why not a general thread for all those natural vintage styles that often overlap to begin with.

>Mori styles and brands guide (japanese): https://woman.mynavi.jp/article/190828-8/

[Anonymous No.10451285]

I discovered Tiara Tiara a while ago, it seems to be a nice brand for mori.

[Anonymous No.10452767]

There's a mori themed cafe
https://twitter.com/Lupopo_cafe/

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[Anonymous No.10452955]

>>10452954

[Anonymous No.10452957]

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[Anonymous No.10453229]

>>10452955
>>10452954

this is actually really cute!

[Anonymous No.10453245]

>>10452954
I love this little green dress. I don't know why mori is dead, it's such a lovely style. When I wear it people go wild for it.
>>10452767
>Tfw no mori cafe in your city
Feels bad

[Anonymous No.10453247]

>>10452954
Tip for anyone trying to make this dress, the bodice is pretty short so do a test fit. I learnt the hard way.

[Anonymous No.10453255]

>>10453245
maybe it'll get a revival if all the tumblr cottagecore people realize it's a thing

[Anonymous No.10453263]

>>10453255
no. cottagecore is trashy natural kei for instahoes, keep them away.

[Anonymous No.10453292]

Is it possible for anyone curvy to pull this off? I don't mean fat, I mean larger busts and stockier builds. I want to say no, but thought I'd ask.

[Anonymous No.10453296]

>>10453292
yes but it makes you look bigger.

[Anonymous No.10453298]

>>10453296
Right, but I wonder does wearing a belt or having the tops more fitted would fix this or would it ruin the overall silhouette of the look.

[Anonymous No.10453300]

>>10453298
it would depend honestly. maybe take inspo from mori gyaru style outfits? they tend to look a bit more fitted to match the gyaru look.

[Anonymous No.10453359]

>>10453300
Mori gyaru? First I've heard of it and I think something like this would work with less leg showing. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.10453374]

>>10453359
why are you being such a bitch?

[Anonymous No.10453569]

hi newfag here. ive never been interested in buying lolita before but i have always wanted to have a ghostly, white aesthetic. ive never been able to achieve it because i cant seem to find what im picturing in my head, like functional flowy nightgown or muslin dress.
can you guys point me to what i might be looking for if this exists in Lolita fashion?
i might be into vintage-style sailor suits as well.
thanks in advance

[Anonymous No.10453690]

>>10453569
This isn’t the right thread to ask this.

[Anonymous No.10453721]

I'm just gonna dump some coords from pink house

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>>10453735
And some from Seraphim

[Anonymous No.10453740]

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[Anonymous No.10453744]

>>10453374
How? I was thanking the anon for telling me about mori gyaru and posted a pic that may work. I'd just want a longer skirt.

[Anonymous No.10453747]

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>>10453749
last one

[Anonymous No.10453922]

>>10453292
I also think mori that borders on natural kei or lolita like >>10452954 and >>10453742
would look nice on curvy women. If you like the straighter silhouettes though, It can be really helpful to either do an empire waist look (ideally that shows some extra skin) in floaty/flowy fabrics. You can also avoid your waist altogether if you're sticking to structured fabrics that follow the lines of your body. Basically, your clothes don't have to emphasize your waist to look good, but they do have to acknowledge your figure. I'll post a mini-dump with some examples.

Not to sound like every unfashionable girl online, but maybe check out Kibbe types for a general idea of what will work for you.

[Anonymous No.10453924]

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[Anonymous No.10453925]

>>10453922
Thanks for the info. Re-reading my response post I got called a bitch for let me see that my post came off as sarcastic. Sorry about that, it wasn't meant to be, it was genuine thanks.

[Anonymous No.10453926]

>>10453744
i think anon misinterpreted you as snapping at me, but i was thinking more pic related.

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>>10453928
I like more clothing but I look fat whenever I wear anything baggy, I'm not even fat, I'm almost underweight. I guess I could wear form fitting feminine clothing instead

[Anonymous No.10453932]

>>10453924
something like this but with a tighter fit under the bust would be really flattering

[Anonymous No.10453933]

>>10453930
I get that, I'm thin and even though I don't have full on cowtits, the typical mori silhouette is not my best look. Btw, I'm the anon who suggested silhouettes, and that was my first post itt.

[Anonymous No.10453935]

>>10453933
I love this one because the corset belt ties in really well, since it matches the overall color palette and theme of the outfit. Belts are generally not great in natural fashions imo, since they tend to clash with the rest of the look, but they're nice when they're well thought out.

[Anonymous No.10453936]

>>10453935
another cute belted outfit

[Anonymous No.10453937]

>>10453936
And another. It's think dolly-kei is very figure conscious compared to other j-fash.

[Anonymous No.10453941]

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>>10453944
/end dump

[Anonymous No.10453965]

Starting to build my dolly wardrobe recently, having a blast shopping for it. Anyone else getting into new styles in quarantine?

[Anonymous No.10454028]

>>10453359
>>10453300
God this shit again. Go back to whatever ill informed amino you crawled out from

[Anonymous No.10454409]

New Gobelin release from Rosa Bianca
>https://twitter.com/x_rosa_bianca_x/status/1293164005712736258

[Anonymous No.10454418]

>>10454028
You sound new.

[Anonymous No.10454438]

>>10454409
Shiit thats too cute, I’d love that for winter!!! What are the fabrics?

[Anonymous No.10454440]

>>10454438
I’m an ape it says Gobelin lmfao. Still cute as hell

[Anonymous No.10455454]

What are some brands to look into for main pieces for dolly kei other than Grimoire? Can be Japanese or Western

[Anonymous No.10455671]

Does anyone have any mori or natural kei patterns?

[Anonymous No.10455748]

>>10455454
Honestly, dolly kei is just western vintage styled in a particular way. You're probably best off finding things on etsy.

[Anonymous No.10455842]

>>10451283
Excuse me, what brand is the OP image?

[Anonymous No.10455850]

>>10455842
It's the taiwanese brand Mori Kuroineko
https://www.instagram.com/forest_kuroineko/

[Anonymous No.10455853]

>>10455748
Yeah, that's what I figured, was just wondering. I've been scouring antique stores and thrift shops in my area but there's not a lot of suitable main pieces I've found, I've found a lot of awesome accessories though. I'll be looking on etsy more.

[Anonymous No.10455855]

>>10455454
Gunne Sax

[Anonymous No.10456170]

>>10455
try searches on laura ashley, dirndl, austrian dress, trachten dress, geiger skirt. Finding it in the wild can be tricky, it's mostly about finding a good thrift store and sticking with it.

[Anonymous No.10456171]

>>10455454
try searches on laura ashley, dirndl, austrian dress, trachten dress, geiger skirt. Finding it in the wild can be tricky, it's mostly about finding a good thrift store and sticking with it.

[Anonymous No.10457633]

I found this shop called Kikirara Shoten that is opera/circus themed. They're a bit on the pricey side.
>https://kikirarashoten.shop

[Anonymous No.10457832]

>>10457633
That and a lot of their stuff looks like they started an 2edgy4u brand with patchwork of what they got in the leftovers of the donation pile, the stuff they won't even send to the third world because no one would buy it.

[Anonymous No.10457833]

>>10457832
so do half of the rest of the clothes in this thread

[Anonymous No.10457880]

>>10457633

Looks like a fucking lampshade and god I'm so into that.

[Anonymous No.10458796]

I'm still puzzled where Tokyo Fashion got the term "dolly kei" from. I've been trying to find the correct japanese spelling or name for a while now because "ドーリー系" is nowhere close to it, turns out Grimoire's owner is as puzzled about the term as me while stating it was made-up by the west https://www.fashionsnap.com/article/grimoire-tobe-nomura/

[Anonymous No.10458798]

>>10454418
I’m not new unfortunately. “Mori gyaru” was a micro trend in gyaru that resulted in a grand total of two spreads in one summer about the style. People like >>10453359 are pulling random Liz Lisa shots that we’re never meant to be “mori gyaru” but somehow made it onto a couple of shitty wikis and that one dumb chick who thinks everything is a mori substyle’s blog

[Anonymous No.10458799]

>>10457832
I hate to break it to you but that’s intentional

[Anonymous No.10458800]

>>10458796
Many western terms for jfashion are made up so that’s not surprise. However, it’s useful for communication to other western people so use at your own discretion

[Anonymous No.10458805]

>>10458800
Yeah but it sucks when you want to find actual followers of that kinda style in Japan, to know what's the current popular brands etc.

[Anonymous No.10458822]

>>10458798
if you'd read the anon who originally mentioned it posted an actual example but go off.

[Anonymous No.10458823]

>>10458805
Sometimes you can suss out terms, but a lot of jfashion styles are more centered around a fashion house than a “kei” like western people want. Grimoire or vintage is likely what you are looking for

[Anonymous No.10458824]

>>10458822
Where???

[Anonymous No.10458826]

>>10458824
here >>10453926

[Anonymous No.10458827]

>>10458824
Oh you mean this? >>10453926 it’s one of the two shoots from that summer. Mori gyaru was never a thing any more than “camo gyaru” or whatever other theme of the month was. Universal Doll who originally reported on it eventually apologized for the confusion because so many non gals though it was a thing

[Anonymous No.10458832]

>>10458827
you act like we don't know it was a gal fad, but you're missing the entire point. ffs mori was also a fad fashion (which is why it's dead) but anon was asking about less layered looks for her bodytype, that's why it was suggested.

[Anonymous No.10458837]

>>10458832
I guess I’m just touchy because now that’s UD’s only post with the spreads in it I see gone (she deleted her blog) all that anon is going to find is amino idiots posting Liz Lisa as examples and like 2 scans. It’s not a helpful suggestion.

[Anonymous No.10458838]

>>10458837
well that's fair i can check my popteen mags for real spreads and post them ITT.

[Anonymous No.10458839]

>>10458838
Honestly, despite me being a bitch I would appreciate that. A lot of scans got lost when UD deleted and wayback did a shit job archiving

[Anonymous No.10458843]

>>10458839
nah don't worry, it's totally understandable! there's a lot of crap about jfash floating around so i get you.

[Anonymous No.10459224]

What happened to Grimoire? They seemed really popular, I find it hard to imagine that they went under.

[Anonymous No.10459229]

>>10459224
First their tights designer quit because their designs got replicated to death. Then the Dolly kei trend faded out in Japan. They are still open but are selling more normie style vintage clothing.

[Anonymous No.10459237]

>>10459229
Oh...That's really sad. Her styling was revolutionary. I hope she'll return someday.

I found their old blog that still has some of the staff's coords on it. A lot of the coords are more toned down compared to what we see in street snaps though.
https://ameblo.jp/grimoire-onlineshop/archive-201201.html

This entry in particular has advice on matching Grimoire clothes with socks and tights.
https://ameblo.jp/grimoire-onlineshop/entry-11072569685.html

[Anonymous No.10459281]

>>10459224
>>10459229
Actually the owners popped out multiple children, that's the main reason why everything changed.

[Anonymous No.10460170]

>>10453263
I came here for this, thank you for preaching to my choir.

As for actual discussion, I have noticed an slight increase in chinese brands aping pink house style. It'll be nice to have that layered and pintucked look at more affordable ranges beyond secondhand.

[Anonymous No.10460179]

>>10460170
please share your findings!

[Anonymous No.10461188]

>>10460179
Surface spell and sweet dreamer have some things:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-15902758893.31.1e71cf13zKSnqR&id=613550062708

https://sweetdreamerlolita.world.taobao.com/search.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.0.0.526216d8YVV3fw&search=y

And jewelry in sunrise if you're on xianyu at all. Can't tell if it's just a passing thing or if more brands are diversifying their lines.

[Anonymous No.10461192]

>>10461188
Oh, and tiny garden:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-11850474097.57.6958756dIrwR0g&id=621443107809

[Anonymous No.10461971]

Isn't this just cottagecore?

[Anonymous No.10461975]

This is a cute thread, resist the urge to respond to bait
>>10453933
Skirt plus loose blouses may be the work around for anon's with a larger bust. I think you can get the nice drapey look with a short lace shawl while not looking like a sack.

[Anonymous No.10461977]

>>10461971
no,leave

[Anonymous No.10463031]

Some questions to help keep this thread alive
1. Overalls, yes or no? They look cute in pictures but you can't really layer with them.
2. Any good instas/blogs? The mori tag gets Cottagecore, Lolita/Itas, Fairys, and witchy-nonsense. I don't want to see someone's bad #forest #dryad #nosering #LARP
3. If you hit up thrift shops/second hand stores, how's it going? Stores closing down in your neighborhood or are you finding some good stuff?

[Anonymous No.10463043]

earth music & ecology is closing its non-japanese stores, including the factory in China
https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_8520361

[Anonymous No.10463045]

>>10461971
fuck off retard

>>10463031
you can get a pretty mori-inspired look with overalls, but you're right about the layering. i'd like to see a skirt salopette styled in a mori way. i think you could get more success that way.

[Anonymous No.10463125]

>>10463031
I love overalls, they're so comfy and you can just coord them like a jumper skirt. Pic related is an outfit I wear a lot, but I love mixing and matching vintage + pink house sweaters and blouses with it.
The thrift stores where I live aren't that great, but they are mostly open, which is nice.

[Anonymous No.10463417]

>>10463125
this is really cute anon!

[Anonymous No.10464939]

I like the loose and flowy feeling of fabric in mori, but how to avoid looking like a huge blob? It seems every time I'm wearing mori I'm scared to get my garments stuck in door handles or pointy stuff around or something.

[Anonymous No.10465677]

>>10464939
Do you have specific areas of your outfit you're worried about? I've never had a scarf or bag get caught, but once every few years I'll somehow get a beltloop caught. If anything, getting my hair caught is the 'most common' problem.
Lolita's have much more potential for getting caught on something with all those ruffles and poof but seem to be more concerned with knocking things over. The mori style has less volume in comparison.
If something does get caught and rips, you could always embrace Wabi-Sabi.

[Anonymous No.10472325]

>>10459229
>Then the Dolly kei trend faded out in Japan.
Dolly Kei was never its name it Japan, it's still well alive if you search for antique (アンティーク) fashion.

[Anonymous No.10472400]

So I've already posted this to the Lolita general but I've been working on a spreadsheet of J-fashion/alternative shops.

I've always loved Mori but I'm having a hard time finding shops that aren't taobao (there's already a spreadsheet). Any more suggestions would be great!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DSXr4EQ5yXOFU1wLvRL0_oIdr59uJbO3uj7D3a7uS0k/edit?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.10472485]

>>10472400
Not like there are many left, basicly there's only:
https://www.canshop.jp/sm2/
https://www.ambidex-store.jp/shop/c/c03/
https://zozo.jp/brand/cawaii/
http://www.earth1999.jp/
http://crisp-go.com/
https://ne-net.net

[Anonymous No.10472493]

>>10472400
Also idk why you put Pink House as Mori when their style REALLY ain't that, they are otome most of the time.

[Anonymous No.10472494]

>>10472493
this thread is for mori and natural kei. pink house is natural kei you dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10472502]

>>10472494
you sound new
https://idontknowmuchbutimlearning.blogspot.com/2019/07/shocking-update-natural-kei-style.html

[Anonymous No.10472503]

>>10472494
And natural kei in japan refers to thrifted eco-friendly fashion, brand goods ain't that, nor does Pink House call themself natural kei but otome in interviews.

[Anonymous No.10472507]

>>10472494
google ナチュラル系 and show me where natural kei looks anything like the pink frill monsters from pink house

[Anonymous No.10472560]

>>10472494
I'm pretty sure it's more otome, anon

[Anonymous No.10472723]

>>10472485
Thank you so much, I appreciate it. I'll get those added to the doc ~

[Anonymous No.10472734]

>>10453928
GOSH this is good. Tarkovsky-core...

[Anonymous No.10473890]

Are there any websites or blogs for this but for guys? Any tips?

[Anonymous No.10479183]

Bumping this thread with an antique-inspired store I recently found
https://c-joli.com/SHOP/176443/list.html

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>>10453928
Forgive my ignorance, but is this from a show? Im loving her style (I have the same haircut) and want to live my wardrobe the way she does..!

[Anonymous No.10479863]

Do PH skirts have seam pockets?

[Anonymous No.10479864]

>>10479863

Pink House? Mine does, but I never bought the tiered skirts so they might be different.

[Anonymous No.10480042]

>>10479738
It's from a light novel & movie
Biblia Koshodou no Jiken Techo
(ビブリア古書堂の事件手帖)

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>>10472400
https://www.rakuten.ne.jp/gold/berrystyle/

[Anonymous No.10488018]

sewing pattern I bought from Linnet: https://www.lin-net.com/English/shop_linnen.html

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[Anonymous No.10488024]

I have plans to do a quilted jacket and vest at some point too.

[Anonymous No.10488025]

Am also currently learning how to knit and decided to try this as my first project

[Anonymous No.10492605]

>>10451283
WC currently has a lot of Mori suitable stuff atm for bargain, just a heads up.

[Anonymous No.10492625]

>>10488025
You will fail

[soup No.10492757]

>>10492625
fuck you

[Anonymous No.10492840]

>>10488025
>>10492625
I don’t think so, it looks small and manageable for a first project. Better than the scarf most people try and never finish.

[Anonymous No.10493057]

>>10488025
Well I wish you good luck but it seems really too hard for person who still learning.

[Anonymous No.10493190]

>>10493057
It really wasn't, I finished and while it was a challenge, I didn't find it too difficult and learned lots along the way. Of course being my first completed piece it's a little bumpy, but I plan on trying again. I think what helped was practicing ahead of time before jumping in, watching videos to make sure I was doing it correctly, and being patient with the time it took for holding needles to feel comfortable in my hands. It's a fantastic couch hobby though I highly recommend it.

That pattern itself was just okay, the tapering around the shoulders weren't as ideal as I would have liked and the draping was stiff on the back with the centre taper pushing out, but I still need to block it. I found another pattern that I've had much better luck with that drapes much more beautifully, feels a bit more natural, and with wool yarn is crazy warm.

[Anonymous No.10493203]

>>10493190
this isn't even the same thing.

[Anonymous No.10493238]

>>10493203
she even said she used a different pattern in the end, reading helps

[Anonymous No.10496458]

Why do people say that dolly kei is comparatively hard to pull off? I'd think that a fashion that's as nebulous as dolly would be best to find a style that flatters your face and body type. Is it just because the pieces are so busy and intricate?

[Anonymous No.10496481]

>>10496458
Yeah, it's literally just vintage european traditional clothing, they probably think it's hard because it doesn't look like jfashion on non-asians.

[Anonymous No.10496668]

>>10496458
>>10496481


A lot of it is vintage secondhand stuff that's mashed together in an interesting look. You kind of need an eye for colour and fashion and knowing what works on your body type (and general mashing) or else you really will look like you just rolled around in goodwill and wore whatever stuck to you.

Like the dude on the right and the girl in the middle left in this collage would look like a homeless woman and a beer-stained hippie respectively, if they weren't good-looking, well groomed and skinny.

[Anonymous No.10496741]

>>10496668
That's fair, yeah. I figured that being well-groomed and clean at least was hopefully a given.

[Anonymous No.10496743]

>>10496668
That's fair, yeah. I figured that being well-groomed and clean at least was hopefully a given. I really miss older Grimoire, I'm just getting into dolly but Grimoire styling was so inspirational.

[Anonymous No.10497119]

>>10496743

Well-groomed and clean is dubious, cgl has its share of basement dwellers. Particularly since a lot of folks seem to have gotten lazy after lockdown.

Anyway I was going to point out there's still a lot of room for mistakes in coordinating random secondhand things, since a lot of pieces were made for different styles and don't necessarily look good together.

To be really fair though, almost anything will look harder next to lolita, lolita has so many rules and guidelines that practically teaches you how to dress up, matching sets if you still can't into coordinating, and community if you need feedback before you buy something.

On the upside, since a lot of it is vintage western clothes, so with covid messing up international shipping if you have a decent secondhand shop in your area, it's probably one of the more accessible jfashions right now.

[Anonymous No.10497195]

>>10497119
I wish it was more accessible, haha. I live in bumfuck nowhere, USA, and none of the stores in my area have any good vintage clothes, so I've been poking around the secondhand Japanese market and at some modern j-fashion brands for pieces that fit the aesthetic. I've found some really cool accessories in secondhand stores in my area, but not really any main pieces that I like. It's definitely way more effort than building up my lolita wardrobe when I first started that, but also really fun scouring through antique stores.

[Anonymous No.10498221]

does anyone have more info on the vest she's wearing? approximate year or maybe brand? i've seen pic related and another pic with it and it's become a dream item.

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>>10498221

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>>10498221
There are a lot of pics of it actually, but none of them give any outfit rundown.
Seems like it was worn by Miwako (a Grimoire shop staff) at Grimoire's 5th anniversary.
http://tokyofashion.com/grimoire-tokyo-dolly-kei-vintage-5th/

[Anonymous No.10498250]

Virgin Mary still has quite the interesting stuff, but half could be made DIY.
http://shop.the-virgin-mary.tokyo/

[Anonymous No.10498367]

>>10498228
thank you! that's helpful. do you know if miwako had a blog or anything from that time?

[Anonymous No.10498476]

Anyone have suggestions of Japanese sewing books/mooks for this style?
I would love some patterns I could modify without changing too much.

[Anonymous No.10498599]

>>10498476
森ガールLesson but Spoon also has patterns and DIY tutorials.

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>>10493203
Leave her alone, for a beginner that's well done.

[Anonymous No.10500674]

Favorite has a clearance sale going on, quite a few mori pieces in there despite them focusing on chuuni wear nowadays.

[Anonymous No.10506847]

Does anyone have any pieces by the brand Mother? It's in the first pages of the 1st issue of Mori Girl and it's the perfect combination of muted pastels and whimsey. It's pricey and there's few pieces on mercari, wondering how the quality holds up.

[Anonymous No.10511485]

Favorite's natural lucky pack is up:
https://favorite-one.co.jp/2016long

[Anonymous No.10518446]

Fall and Winter are truly the seasons of Mori. Scarf, long sweater, long skirt, and thick socks help hide thermal shirt/pants and other insulation layers. Feelin' cute and warm.

[Anonymous No.10519137]

Has anyone tried this store in Taiwan? Is it just a taobao reseller?

https://shopee.tw [slash] forest_kuroineko

[Anonymous No.10519196]

>>10519137
That was mentioned in the last thread, it's an original brand but finding SS for taiwan is a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.10519254]

>>10519196
I googled Taiwan SS and two came up. Is there something wrong with them?

https://twotreeteam.com/shopping-service/